 https://news.softpedia.com/news/lubuntu-kubuntu-xubuntu-might-also-drop-support-for-new-32-bit-installations-521079.shtml
 Yep.
 My proposal.
[19:10] <valorie> :(
 So you want to support it for the next five years?
 I certainly done.
 *don't
[19:10] <valorie> with everyone else dropping it I'm feeling more like keeping it
 I think it's the right move.
 Five years is a long time.
 And as time goes on, we'll see less and less testers.
 But we either get rid of it now, and support it for the next three years, or support it for the next five (to take it until 20.04) and perhaps seven for some issues.
 @acheronuk What are your thoughts on the matter?
[19:12] <valorie> where does the 5 and 7 year figure come from?
 We either remove it now or we have to take it all the way to 20.04.
[19:13] <valorie> why?
 And release 20.04 with i386.
[19:13] <valorie> again, why?
 Because we can't abandon users on an unsupported upgrade path.
 If they upgrade to 19.04 and we decide to do it then, for example, they're stuck.
 They have to reinstall the LTS to get any support.
 This is the perfect time go to through with this.
[19:14] <valorie> ah, got it
[19:14] <valorie> well, please propose this to the Council
 Five for our support, seven for general community support (still my department), by the way.
[19:14] <valorie> this is a huge move, imo
 I will. But it's either all or nothing.
[19:15] <valorie> I know that it is harder for ME to get testers
[19:15] <valorie> how much extra work is it for you?
 And either way, @acheronuk and myself know how much work it actually takes. So in my opinion, it should be a vote of the active Kubuntu Ninjas.
[19:15] <valorie> acheronuk: how much work for you?
 @valorie, You have to have testing validation for i386 to convert your bases for SRUs. … Plus, with autopkgtests erratically failing sometimes, it is a PITA to maintain any extra arch.
[19:16] <valorie> ah
 Argh, cover your bases I mean.
[19:17] <valorie> all your bases
[19:17] <valorie> lol
 ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
 lol
[19:19] <valorie> there ya go
[19:19] <valorie> it's a bit threadbare by now, that meme
[19:23] <acheronuk> I would like to follow suit and drop it :(
[19:25] <valorie> I think I'm in the minority, and I will follow the majority
[19:28] <acheronuk> we could probably squeeze out another release, but at some point I fear we would come unstuck. as remarked, the LTS is the right time to cut it off if we are going to
 Right.
 @acheronuk: Do you think it's worth sparking a discussion, or should we JFDI?
[19:33] <valorie> we at least have to announce
[19:33] <valorie> I've spent a lot of time in the past year or so getting testers
[19:36] <acheronuk> valorie: that is very much appreciated, and will still be needed for 18.04 point releases
[19:37] <valorie> true that
[19:37] <valorie> that makes me feel less like I'm letting people down
 @tsimonq2, will discussion solve the issues with i386?
 @acheronuk, No. But I don't want some people to throw a fit.
 Dubnom
 Grrrrrr
 *Dunno
[19:39] <valorie> some will throw a fit, no matter what
[19:39] <valorie> better to be up-front about the issues
[19:39] <acheronuk> who will throw a fit?
 @tsimonq2 any response form xubuntu?
[19:46] <valorie> someone will, because FOSS
[19:46] <valorie> probably someone who has never done one lick of work
 @valorie, Yeah.
 @acheronuk, Not yet, just asked.
 By the way, I'm now officially a member of the Ubuntu Developer Membership Board.
[19:59] <valorie> congratulations, tsimonq2
 Thanks!
 Yes, I was shocked how good Kubuntu is. Gnome looks nice but the lack of configurability is a show stopper for many power users.
 @ahoneybun, twitter? or somewher else?
 hackernews about the switch to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04
[21:04] <valorie> ahoneybun: so why did popOS go with gnome?
[21:05] <valorie> they wanted lack of configurability for simplification?
[21:05] <wxl> i think because what's-his-name is tight with the gnome folks
 who?
 @valorie, Because GNOME is cool?
[21:07] <valorie> um
[21:07] <valorie> no
[21:07] <valorie> lol
[21:07] <wxl> dang aaron you're right at the top of the about us
[21:08] <wxl> also the ian-caught-in-the-headlights pic is pretty rad
 I think it is because of my name or something.
 aa brings me at the top of a lot of things.
[21:10] <wxl> s/what's-his-name/sriram/
 valorie I do think GNOME is cool
[21:10] <wxl> (who's NOT on the about us oddly)
 wxl you'll see Sri is not on the about us any more.
[21:11] <wxl> does that mean what i think it does? :(
[21:11] <valorie> well, that's good since you have to support it
 his position was removed so yea sadly.
[21:11] <wxl> oh man that's terrible
[21:11] <valorie> bool
[21:11] <valorie> -l
[21:11] <wxl> NEVER REMOVE COMMUNITY MANAGERS
[21:11] <wxl> that's the first rule of open source
 Well his position before he was removed was not Community Manager.
[21:40] <valorie> ok, I posted on softpedia
[21:40] <valorie> tsimonq2: please forward your email to ubuntu-devel to the k-deve and user lists
 @valorie, Link to Softpedia?
 @valorie, Which email specifically? Link?
[21:41] <valorie> the announcement or whatever seems appropriate
[21:42] <valorie> I'm working on a dot story right now, but I promise to engage on the list and support the decision
 About i386 you mean?
[21:43] <valorie> yes
 Ah. Right. OK.
 @tsimonq2 is there a way to get my email sent to the list about the new installer mark wants to make?
 @ahoneybun, Why are you asking me? ;) … I'd ask in #ubuntu-devel. Maybe cjwatson.
 Because I'm not using IRC right now.
 personally they should use either Calamares or the new Elementary/Pop OS installer.
 @ahoneybun, They won't use Calamares because that's not GTK.
 The new Pop installer would be coooool
 It's Vala and Rust so.
 It's cool automatically.
[22:08] <acheronuk> valorie: what are you writing, where?
[22:09] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: same to you
[22:09]  * wxl answers for valorie: "words, here"
[22:09] <valorie> acheronuk: trying to make the Dot story about welcoming GSoC students finally get published
 @acheronuk, Nothing yet. I'm enjoying beef roast and mashed potatoes.
[22:09] <valorie> about killed myself finishing it a week ago, but there it sits
[22:10] <acheronuk> valorie: oh, so not about i386. I misread
[22:12] <valorie> well, since Simon is pushing this, he should announce unless you want to
[22:12] <valorie> and I will be supportive in spite of my sadness
[22:13] <wxl> kubuntu's officially joining the massacre of innocent 32 bit kittens/
 Can we pleaaaaase be official with Lubuntu too?
[22:15] <valorie> wxl: way to make me feel worse
[22:15] <valorie> poor dead kittens
[22:15] <valorie> lol
[22:17] <wxl> blame cjwatson for making me less likely to say yes @tsimonq2
 ^_^
[23:28] <tsimonq2> valorie, acheronuk: #ubuntu-flavors is now a thing.
[23:28] <valorie> there