[00:00] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Had a typo! forgot the ">" pipe on policy, so adding that to the writeup now!
[00:01] <washuu_de> @slidingHorn: The boot-repair tool I got from ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair wants me to unmount trhe frive. But it remounts them
[00:02] <scoffin> ok:   https://imgur.com/a/zlVf8I9
[00:03] <TBotNik> tomreyn: OK they're all posted!
[00:03] <laserbeak4445> I have installed 18.04 on a HTPC with a Intel GPU (Skylake).
[00:03] <tomreyn> TBotNik: where?
[00:03] <laserbeak4445> I can play a 4K movie without issue if I'm log in into a Xorg Gnome session with VLC or MPV. However, if I log out and log in into a Kodi session, I'm having issue playing 4K movie. Skipping frames, out of sync audio and almost all CPUs at 100%.
[00:03] <tomreyn> TBotNik: ah, got it https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5852630#post5852630
[00:04] <xamithan> Sounds like a kodi issue
[00:04] <laserbeak4445> My guess is that the intel hardware acceleration is not used in a Kodi session for some reasons. I have already checked the Kodi settings and all VAAPI acceleration are enabled..? Any idea what could be the problem? Thanks
[00:04] <tomreyn> TBotNik: did you actually link those commands with logical ANDs?
[00:04] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Yup!
[00:05] <gogeta> laserbeak4445, sounds like a kodi issue gonna have to take it to them
[00:05] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Was that a NO NO?
[00:06] <oerheks> TBotNik, run apt-get dist-upgrade instead for those packages '9 not upgraded.'  that might fix those 2 not fully installed or removed
[00:06] <tomreyn> TBotNik: well i put ; in the commands i asked to run for a reason, but i think we may have alll that we need. no errors are shown, though, in your output. did you maybe not capture stderr?
[00:07] <TBotNik> oerheks: OK
[00:07] <washuu_de> SlidingHorn: I used Trusty before my hardware broke down. I wanted to upgrade . And I will as soon as my install is working
[00:07] <laserbeak4445> gogeta: yes it looks that way. However Kodi is installed on Ubuntu 18.04. So maybe there is something related to Ubuntu somehow about the issue...
[00:07] <oerheks> you could do a -d dryrun to see what packages
[00:10] <TBotNik> I'm getting ready to upgrade to 16.04 lts, but it always killed all machines I've tried that on and haven't found a good imaging package to use, especially since over 50 tries to installed clonezilla have totally failed.
[00:11] <TBotNik> oerheks: It just got the the mysql-server-5.5 and failed!
[00:13] <tomreyn> TBotNik: failed, how? also, please answer my question above.
[00:14] <scoffin> SlidingHorn: I just found that if I go to the upper right corner and select the accessibility settings, choose "large text" then the display becomes correct,  but the pic shows what it looks like after boot ????
[00:15] <washuu_de> I always get https://imgur.com/DJk4iRo from the Boot-Repair tool.
[00:18] <SlidingHorn> scoffin: ah, you may want to see this (it's from the arch wiki, but it appears to be relevant to your situation) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM#Larger_font_for_log-in_screen
[00:19] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Hang on, posting the errors out there!
[00:19] <TBotNik> Error now out there on the writeup!
[00:21] <tomreyn> TBotNik: dpkg --configure mysql-server-5.5 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:23] <tomreyn> TBotNik: so did "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-cache policy", "sudo apt-get -f install" output any warnings or errors?
[00:25] <TBotNik> tomreyn: You cmd errored so ran dpkg --configure -a, then yours again, which passed, but the dist-uprade is still erroring at the same mysql configure spot
[00:27] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i'm afraid i can't help you if you just report back that something 'errored', without details.
[00:27] <DocPlatypus> two questions: 1. recently upgraded to 18.04, and I am now missing my system tray in GNOME. how to fix? 2. Also, my "beep" sound (in GNOME) is now two different sounds playing one after the other and I'd like to fix this so it's just one sound.
[00:28] <scoffin> SlidingHorn:  well that specific tip did not work, but looks like your find did point out where the gdm data is kept, I can look further into /etc/dconf anf the gsettings tool
[00:30] <scoffin> looks to me like gdm is picking up the initial (boot-time) font from a different place than the subsequent changes after boot
[00:31] <TBotNik> tomreyn: I put the details in the writeup at: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5852648#post5852648
[00:31] <superwi> hi all.may i ask assistance regarding wifi driver installation? im on the 'make' part of this guide: https://askubuntu.com/a/745926 but its showing errors
[00:33] <xamithan> It says only kernels supported are from the wireless-testing git.  I assume you installed that first?
[00:33] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i don't see the output of "dpkg --configure -a" there. it should have been run with sudo, i forgot to point this out.
[00:35] <washuu_de> My question was: I did a fresh install of ubuntu Trusty. I have no new install DVD. So I plan to upgrade later with apt or or synaptic. The problem is that I can't boot it :-(
[00:35] <tomreyn> TBotNik: if "sudo dpkg --configure mysql-server-5.5" passed without errors the second time you ran it, then "sudo apt-get dist-uprade" would not keep running into the very same error on the very same package about mysql configuration anymore.
[00:35] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Sorry a step behind you!
[00:36] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Refresh the writeup now!
[00:37] <superwi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3Q2NjQZPVT/
[00:38] <xamithan> The github for that says you need a wireless-testing kernel superwi
[00:38] <xamithan> If you didn't install one of those it likely won't build
[00:39] <superwi> ohh.,i see. hmm
[00:39] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Is it making sense now?
[00:40] <washuu_de> In the ubuntuforums I found something called 'Boot-Repair' but that beast gives me https://imgur.com/DJk4iRo if I let it run or try to stop it, if any partitions are mounted or none. Is that malware ?
[00:40] <superwi> xamithan.. how can i install the wireless-testing kernel ?
[00:40] <xamithan> No idea,  there looks to be instructions if you click on the link
[00:41] <xamithan> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/git-guide
[00:43] <superwi> @xami.ayt. if i use the ndiswrapper method.. the driver showing after ' sudo lshw -C network ' should also change right?
[00:43] <tomreyn> TBotNik: more now. what's the output of "sudo dpkg --debug=70 --configure mysel-server-5.5"?
[00:43] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Last time I ran into these issues with mysql, was installing mysql 7 and It blew up everything, so had to put myqsl into a container, then clear the trash in main, install 5.5 then update to 6.5
[00:44] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Refresh the writeup again!
[00:45] <tomreyn> TBotNik: sorry, i had a typo there. what's the output of "sudo dpkg --debug=70 --configure mysql-server-5.5"?
[00:47] <superwi> coz the last i use the ndiswrapper method.the driver appears to be the same on ' sudo lshw -C network ' inspite of this the wifi the connection was more stable
[00:47] <superwi> @ xamithan
[00:48] <Etrigan63> I noticed that kernel 4.16 got pushed out to my OpenMediaVault (Debian based) yesterday. Will that get pushed out to 18.04 as well?
[00:48] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Refresh!
[00:48] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, how many max containers can I get on an Ubuntu system? does it depend on my CPU/RAM/Disk space etc..?
[00:49] <xamithan> It might be more stable,  it might not be.  Thats what happens when you get a wireless card that isn't supported like a realtek
[00:50] <tomreyn> TBotNik: try with --debug=700
[00:50] <superwi> @ xamithan what wifi chipsets are smooth on ubuntu?
[00:50] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Sorry had to edit that, got more in it than needed!
[00:50] <TBotNik> tomreyn: K
[00:50] <xamithan> Intel chipset is the best,  followed by Atheros
[00:50] <xamithan> That is true for any linux distro
[00:51] <nacc> Etrigan63: no
[00:51] <superwi> i see.. tnx xamithan
[00:51] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: yes, it does, depends on your configurtion
[00:51] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Refresh
[00:52] <Etrigan63> nacc: So 18.04 will run with 4.15 until end of service?
[00:52] <nacc> !hwe | Etrigan63: unless you switch to HWE
[00:52] <superwi> xamithan will there be an issue if i use ndiswrapper method repeatedly every after kernel updates?
[00:53] <nacc> Etrigan63: but 18.04.0 and 18.04.1 will be 4.15 based and supported for the LTS lifetime
[00:54] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Getting most of the way through it. Errors on the virtbroken virtual-mysql-server
[00:54] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Where do we find that and fix it?
[00:55] <Etrigan63> nacc: I ask because 4.16 supposedly has some features for Ryzen/Threadripper processors.
[00:55] <Mr_Cyclops> nacc, thanks, is there some link you can share where I could see, if there is a tablular calculation etc..? or something or that sort?
[00:55] <Mr_Cyclops> thanks
[00:55] <nacc> Etrigan63: those might get backported to 4.15, it depends on the stable tree upstream, and the Ubuntu kernel developers
[00:55] <tomreyn> what do you mean by "virtbroken virtual-mysql-server"?
[00:55] <Etrigan63> nacc: Thanks.
[00:56] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: not that I know of, you might ask in #lxcontainers for LXC/LXD
[00:56] <Mr_Cyclops> ok, thank you
[00:56] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: it also completely depends on what you want to do. Being able to run 10,000 empty/idle containers isn't that useful.
[00:58] <tomreyn> TBotNik: the post-configure script should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.5.postinst. you can manually run it with --configure.
[00:58] <tomreyn> TBotNik: doing so should provide better output.
[00:59] <tomreyn> TBotNik: actually just "configure", not "--confrigure". so make it: sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.5.postinst configure
[01:01] <Moobius> hello
[01:01] <Moobius> why is there eye strain under any linux distribution?
[01:02] <TBotNik> tomreyn: That fails immediately
[01:03] <tomreyn> TBotNik: how can you tell?
[01:03] <TBotNik> start: Job failed to start
[01:03] <TBotNik> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[01:03] <Claire235> tell whaty?
[01:03] <Claire235> what?? lols
[01:04] <tomreyn> TBotNik: can you show the command oyu ran again?
[01:04] <TBotNik> /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.5.postinst configure
[01:04] <TBotNik> start: Job failed to start
[01:04] <TBotNik> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[01:04] <TBotNik> I'm in the sudo mode, so no sudo prefix needed!
[01:05] <tomreyn> TBotNik: do you have a recent database backup?
[01:05] <jwmto> I'm having a post-upgrade to 18.04 problem and am seeking help: after I log in, none of my input methods seems to function in Gnome sessions (mouse, keyboard, touchpad).  KDE/Plasma works fine and that's what I'm on at the moment.  Any insight or help available?
[01:06] <TBotNik> No I was actually starting a backup when it all went south!
[01:06] <k_sze[work]> I'm suddenly starting to get this message, what's going on?
[01:06] <k_sze[work]> https://bpaste.net/show/a505db35ae0a
[01:06] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Thank my last backup goes back to Jan!
[01:08] <tomreyn> TBotNik: that's sad, apparently you don't make regular backups then, or dont monitor them. if i had recent backups what i would do in this situation is to purge all mysql packages, then install them again. i don't think this actually means you're gong to loose /var/lib/mysql/ but since i don't know for sure i will not suggest that you do it.
[01:10] <tomreyn> TBotNik: you could, however, just move /var/lib/mysql/ and /etc/mysql* out of the way and do it then, and move those back after you installed everyhting properly (and stopped the service).
[01:11] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i'm afraid i need to leave it there, need to catch some sleep. good luck!
[01:12] <TBotNik> tomreyn: At this point I'm ok with Jan data, but I tried apt-get remove and get  all the same "held" package errors and cannot remove.  Have not tried apt-get -purge yet.  Guess that's next? Huh?
[01:13] <tomreyn> TBotNik: actually you need to "dpkg --purge" these packages to get aroudn the broken dependencies.
[01:13] <Claire235> so glad i found this :-) im kinda noob
[01:14] <TBotNik> tomreyn: The reason there are no backups is that this machine blew up in Apr this year, same scenario, and was finding and restoring all the data, but not complete.  Had added some new stuff, but have the .sql files, so can restore when ready
[01:14] <k_sze[work]> Does security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu have any mirror?
[01:15] <TBotNik> tomreyn: On the dpkg - purge I need the full list of packages with that right?
[01:16] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Is the a quick place to go for the list, as I think there are over 40 packages, including the dependencies
[01:16] <tomreyn> TBotNik: you need to --purge packages one by one this way. start with "sudo dpkg --purge mysql-server-5.5; sudo dpkg --purge mysql-server"
[01:16] <guiverc> k_sze[work], https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors  (i use a mirror provided by my isp)
[01:17] <tomreyn> TBotNik: you juts need to purge those packages which get in the way.
[01:17] <TBotNik> tomreyn: OK, will BASH script it! Cheers!
[01:17] <tomreyn> TBotNik: i.e. the two above may already suffice.
[01:18] <k_sze[work]> guiverc: but those are archive mirrors, are they actually the same as security.ubuntu.com?
[01:18]  * tomreyn afk
[01:19] <TBotNik> tomreyn: mysql mysql-server mysql-sever-5.5 mysql-client are the main ones I think, I'll check the list in Synaptic Package Manager
[01:19] <guiverc> k_sze[work], my -updates, -security, -backports all work thru my mirror... it's all I belive
[01:19] <hggdh> k_sze[work]: security.ubuntu.com should not be mirrored
[01:20] <k_sze[work]> hggdh: At least this Hong Kong archive mirror seems to have security stuff? https://mirror.xtom.com.hk/ubuntu/dists/xenial-security/main/
[01:21] <`whoami`> why shouldn't security.ubuntu.com be mirrored ? oO
[01:21] <k_sze[work]> I was going to ask the same thing.
[01:21] <`whoami`> that's complete nonsense imho
[01:23] <TBotNik> tomreyn: OK here goes, with just those 2
[01:24] <k_sze[work]> Odd, I get the same error even if I switch mirror.
[01:24] <k_sze[work]> Err:4 http://mirror.xtom.com.hk/ubuntu xenial Release
[01:25] <k_sze[work]>   Connection failed [IP: 45.125.0.6 80]
[01:25] <k_sze[work]> I'm starting to suspect it has to do with our antivirus or firewall trying to be smart with egress filtering.
[01:26] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Put the 2 purge cmds into the script along with the apt-get install for the 2 and seems to be working.  Config screen coming up now!
[01:26] <k_sze[work]> Maybe apt is making many connections to the same host and it triggered egress flood/DoS protection.
[01:27] <Claire235> question... how would i make a file that opens in terminal simalar to .bat in windows
[01:29] <TBotNik> tomreyn: Still same errors! Do I need to reboot after the purges to clear any cache or residual crap before the reinstall attempt?
[01:30] <guiverc> Claire235, any file with +x (execute status) could do it; the norm is .sh (or shell) but in *nix the "." (or $PWD) isn't normally in your $PATH
[01:31] <Claire235> Thanks
[01:31] <hggdh> k_sze[work]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#What_repositories_and_pockets_should_I_use_to_make_sure_my_systems_are_up_to_date.3F
[01:32] <guiverc> Claire235, i read back what i typed; many assumptions are made. by "." i meant current directory; +x as in `chmod/stat` etc commands
[01:32] <TBotNik> tomreyn:  OK trying this with reboot! See you after the bounce!
[01:32] <hggdh> k_sze[work]: if you use a mirror, you may experience a delay between  when a new security update is made available (on security.ubuntu.com) and when your mirror actually updates
[01:32] <guiverc> Claire235,  (commands or file attributes)
[01:34] <hggdh> k_sze[work]: it is, nevertheless, your call.
[01:34] <k_sze[work]> hggdh: I see.
[01:35] <`whoami`> it's fun reading about security and such, when it comes to ubuntu
[01:37] <`whoami`> ... when you know which debian flavour it's based on (or at least, historically. Not sure about now - but i'm pretty confident it hasn't changed)
[01:37] <Claire235> guiverc thank you
[01:38] <guiverc> you're most welcome
[01:39] <SlidingHorn> `whoami`: you can see what version of debian from which your ubuntu version is derived by using    cat /etc/debian_version
[01:39] <Claire235> so, im super new to linux... and to avoid the dreadful XY problem, let me explain the issue a bit further...
[01:40] <`whoami`> SlidingHorn: i'm not running ubuntu, but thanks
[01:40] <Claire235> i would like an icon i can click and it runs "watch -n .5 sensors" a terminal
[01:41] <Claire235> BRB smoke break
[01:42] <k_sze[work]> `whoami`: I thought Ubuntu is directly derived from "vanilla" Debian?
[01:42] <`whoami`> just came here to ask about some issue I had to create a usb install; never had any answer. But eh... :)
[01:42] <k_sze[work]> There's another flavour in between?
[01:43] <`whoami`> k_sze[work]: there is stable/testing/unstable
[01:43] <`whoami`> that's what I'm refering to
[01:45] <k_sze[work]> Oh, I see.
[02:30] <skweek> wondering about my screen dim flickering? is that how I should word this problem on google? i can't find an answer
[02:30] <skweek> i'm on ubuntu 18.04
[02:31] <skweek> ugh, this is so annoying
[02:31] <k_sze[work]> skweek: you mean your screen flickers when you dim it?
[02:31] <skweek> no it like dims three different levels of brightness over and over again
[02:32] <nacc> skweek: does it have a light sensor? it might be sensing ambient light
[02:33] <Claire235> hmmm
[02:33] <nacc> skweek: i forget the exact name, but there's a mode for it in the settings
[02:33] <Claire235> idea.... laptop or desktop?
[02:33] <skweek> laptop, lenovo miix 700
[02:34] <Claire235> night light?
[02:35] <skweek> automatic brightness to off, no longer .. must be something wrong with sensing ambient light
[02:35] <Claire235> mmhmmm
[02:35] <skweek> thanks :-)
[02:35] <skweek> anyone use guake?
[02:35] <Claire235> hmmm, check for proprietary drivers
[02:36] <skweek> I think they are included
[02:37] <Claire235> just beacause
[02:37] <Claire235> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/07/adjust-color-temperature-gnome-night-light
[02:37] <Claire235> wow... I need to proof read... lol
[02:37] <platzhirsch> I thought with Ubuntu 18.04 I would get colored emojis in my browser, but it seems that's not what was meant?
[02:38] <Claire235> idk what you're talking about
[02:38] <skweek> any idea why f12 won't activate guake? why it sends ~ to a terminal or isn't registered as input in hexchat?
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[02:44] <DocPlatypus> two questions: 1. recently upgraded to 18.04, and I am now missing my system tray in GNOME. how to fix? 2. Also, my "beep" sound (in GNOME) is now two different sounds playing one after the other and I'd like to fix this so it's just one sound.
[02:51] <Claire235> DocPlatypus hmmm, i could help get the bar back, but idk on the sound
[02:52] <morenoh149> what's the recommended way to setup an ssh key on a ubuntu server so that root can pull from a git repo across sessions?
[02:54] <Claire235> morenoh149 it's kinda dead
[02:55] <linos> install ubuntumate and able to login, however, I notice at boot there is this mmessage [FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernel Modules. Anyone have a fix?  Thanks
[02:56] <morenoh149> Claire235: keychain or this channel?
[02:57] <Claire235> morenoh149 its just slow RN
[02:57] <Claire235> late
[02:57] <morenoh149> right, but keychains seems fine to use no?
[02:58] <Claire235> i'm new here... idk what keychains are
[02:59] <Claire235> morenoh149 please elaborate
[03:00] <morenoh149> the link I shared above, keychains package is mentioned inside
[03:00] <Claire235> I can't see it
[03:00] <Claire235> lol
[03:29] <zaf__> hi
[03:29] <matjam> hihihihi
[03:30] <zaf__> hw ru
[03:30] <SlidingHorn> What can we help you guys with?  zaf__ matjam
[03:30] <matjam> SlidingHorn: you can't help me at all. I'm here to help!
[03:31] <zaf__> sure i need a help to install android studio
[03:32] <DocPlatypus> Claire235: ok then... what am I looking at for the status bar/system tray?
[03:33] <zaf__> i am a beginner to ubuntu 18.04, can anyone please tell me the use of terminal
[03:34] <Claire235> DocPlatypus sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <SlidingHorn> zaf__: you can install android studio from the software center in your menu
[03:35] <zaf__> SlidingHorn: thankyou
[03:35] <DocPlatypus> Claire235: any chance an accidental botched upgrade to 17.10 before my upgrade to 18.04 caused either of these issues?
[03:36] <DocPlatypus> (stupid, stupid mistake on my part)
[03:39] <matjam> DocPlatypus: did you try making a new user account and logging in with that to see if everything works as expected? it could be old .files in your home dir that aren't compatible with the newer gnome stuff.
[03:39] <DocPlatypus> matjam: I will try that when I get back (was about to head out for a bit)
[03:39] <Claire235> DocPlatypus I have reinstalled the bare metal installation of ubuntu 4 times this month..... I tinker way to much lols
[03:39] <Lost_Goa_> Is it possible to get the tor service running on a ubuntu box ? I keep getting that tor is active but exited whats causing the problem ?
[03:40] <SlidingHorn> !tor | Lost_Goa_
[03:41] <DocPlatypus> actually I need to head out now... will resume working on this when I return
[03:42] <Claire235> damn....
[03:42] <matjam> wrong button? :-)
[03:42] <Claire235> lols, accidentally closed terminal asociated with browser
[03:43] <matjam> time to use a terminal for irc :P
[03:43] <matjam> I just started using weechat, it seems nice.
[03:44] <Claire235> it happens when you have 47 terminal windows open and get crazy with alt+f4
[03:44] <Claire235> matjam weechat??
[03:44] <Claire235> matjam please elaborate
[03:44] <matjam> Claire235: https://weechat.org/about/screenshots/
[03:45] <Claire235> thank you :-)
[03:45] <Claire235> Love that its dark
[03:45] <SlidingHorn> Claire235 & matjam this is a conversation for #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[03:46] <matjam> yessir
[03:46] <Claire235> :-/
[03:49] <Ezro_> Hey. How can I get mpris-ctl on Ubuntu 18.04?
[03:51] <SlidingHorn> Ezro_: it's not in the repos, but there is a CLI for it:    sudo apt install mpris-remote
[03:52] <Ezro_> Thanks SlidingHorn. Let me give that a go
[03:52] <Lost_Goat> SlidingHorn: I installed it the way the guide suggests but when doing a service tor status i get a active:exited and when i do a netstat
[03:56] <skweek> i'm having window placement problems in 18.04, like guake was 'dropping down' in the wrong spot, so I installed the gnome shell extension drop down terminal and when setting the position to right, or left it 'drops down' as a skinny terminal (maybe 50px width) in the same place as guake... or selecting its position as bottom it still 'drops down' from the top...
[04:02] <Claire235> skweek what happens if you kill the process and restart it?
[04:03]  * skweek contemplates the situation
[04:04] <Claire235> type in terminal "guake kill"
[04:05] <skweek> I purged guake and reinstalled it then purged it again and moved onto using drop down terminal and experienced similar windowing issues
[04:06] <skweek> I can A, screen shot for clarity the drop down terminal stuff ... or B reinstall guake and attempt killing it?
[04:06] <Claire235> SC it
[04:08] <skweek> what's the best place to share images?
[04:10] <Claire235> idk
[04:10] <Claire235> un moment
[04:13]  * skweek tries to predict captcha (fails twice)
[04:13] <Claire235> lols
[04:14] <Claire235> https://imagebin.ca/
[04:14] <skweek> http://i68.tinypic.com/29w7jie.png ; http://i64.tinypic.com/25qvh92.png ; http://i66.tinypic.com/2yjplza.png ; http://i64.tinypic.com/34nl2qx.png
[04:15] <skweek> the screenshot has a position drop down that changes in each screenshot corresponding to the option selected
[04:16] <Claire235> I see 2 with skinny tall... and 2 with wid short
[04:17] <skweek> there's 4 settings, left, right, top, bottom, skinny tall isn't a selectable option and wide short is normal for top but bottom should also have a wide short (positions)
[04:21] <skweek> maybe I didn't upload the right screenshots
[04:23] <skweek> https://imagebin.ca/v/41GA5eqtIxhI but do you see the difference in this panel?
[04:30] <Claire235> sorry, idk whats up pastbin not working
[04:30] <skweek> ya... that's strange
[04:31] <shree> xrog using too much cpu...?what to do..?
[04:32] <skweek> http://i68.tinypic.com/2s8362u.png
[04:34] <Claire235> skweek what are you trying to do?
[04:35] <Claire235> resize the guake terminal width?
[04:35] <skweek> configure a drop down terminal on the right side covering about 400px of the top right
[04:35] <Claire235> hmmm
[04:37] <skweek> here's guake http://i65.tinypic.com/2r4tp1c.png
[04:37] <shree> @Claire235 can you help in xrog problem.../
[04:37] <Claire235> shree am looking into both atm
[04:37] <swift110> hey all
[04:37] <Claire235> hi swift
[04:38]  * skweek waves
[04:38] <shree> ok
[04:39] <Claire235> shree for the time being, read through this https://askubuntu.com/questions/44494/why-is-xorg-taking-up-so-much-memory-and-cpu?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa
[04:39] <Radkos> hello!
[04:40] <Claire235> hiya
[04:40] <Radkos> Is it possible to change file permissions thru samba remotely connected computer on the host computer - lets say I am connected to //192.168.12.1/myshare and I have write permissions - I can make folder but how can i change it so djon can write in it - to execute chown -R djon newfolder
[04:40] <Radkos> do i need to be root and how can I connect as root
[04:40] <Radkos> or is it better to use nfs?
[04:40] <Claire235> skweek idk why it is sitting so low
[04:42] <skweek> my guake's a lowrider and my drop down terminal's skinny and long :-/
[04:43] <Claire235> lols... dumb question, but.... Reboot??
[04:44] <Claire235> radkos thats above my paygrade
[04:44] <skweek> I think that's something i'll save for later
[04:46] <Claire235> well.... honestly.... reboot/restart app/reinstall
[04:48] <skweek> oh well, going to bed. night all!
[04:49] <SlidingHorn> Radkos: it'd be better to change the permissions so a particular group to which both users belong have write permissions
[04:58] <swift110> how are you Claire235 and skule
[05:00] <mjrosenb> I'm running 18.04, and it keeps getting wedged in this state where nothing responds to the mouse, and most parts of the gnome-shell stop working
[05:00] <mjrosenb> s/the mouse/mouse clicks/
[05:01] <mjrosenb> so, like if I hit the windows key to bring up the overview, nothing happens, but I get the message 'pushModal: invocation of begin_modal failed'
[05:01] <Radkos> SlidingHorn - i know but my mate surely wants to use the way i explained - i am not even sure that the share is meant to be used that way
[05:02] <Radkos> normally i would use user groups or use ssh to connect to the machine - i think it's because the server is meant to use zfs
[05:02] <Claire235> swift110 I'm good, thanks for asking :-)
[05:02] <mjrosenb> I opened up xev, and it looks like even it isn't receiving the click events
[05:02] <mjrosenb> but if I change to VT1 (where the login manager is still running), the mouse works ther
[05:02] <mjrosenb> just in gnome3, it doesn't work.
[05:04] <mjrosenb> based on the error message, I'm assuming that something attempted to pop up a modal dialog, but then *something* happened, and now I'm stuck with a modal dialog capturing all clicks, and never releasing the lock that it has on the mouse.
[05:06] <SlidingHorn> lol
[05:08] <mjrosenb> actually, now that I look at it,
[05:08] <mjrosenb> xev gets *no* mouse events at all
[05:09] <Claire235> hiya SlidingHorn :-)
[05:14] <Shmam> So I was extracting something with Ark and it encountered an error. Then the hard drive went into read only mode. I tried "sudo fsck -Af -M" which just said "fsck from util.linux 2.27.1"
[05:14] <SlidingHorn> Shmam: what was the error?  Also, version & flaver of your OS?
[05:15] <Shmam> KDE neon 5.12. Theres no error, it just didnt solve the problem
[05:15] <Shmam> when I try to open applications or modify files, it just says that the file system is read-only
[05:16] <Shmam> contact ur system administrator...
[05:17] <SlidingHorn> you said ark encountered an error...also, which version OS?
[05:17] <Shmam> ubuntu 16.04 sorry
[05:18] <Shmam> ark just said that it encountered an error while trying to extract the archive
[05:18] <Shmam> it didnt show any specifics
[05:19] <Shmam> oh wait maybe I need to omit the "-M" flag
[05:20] <Shmam> this should be a safe command right? it wont f up my system
[05:20] <Shmam> "sudo fsck -Af"
[05:21] <Shmam> it says "bad magic number in super-block while trying to re-open"
[05:22] <SlidingHorn> so far everything sounds like a hardware failure, but i'm seeing if there's anything I can find online
[05:22] <Claire235> lols "bad magic number" wth :-D
[05:22] <matjam> Shmam: is it an SSD or mechanical HD?
[05:23] <Shmam> its a nvme m.2 ssd
[05:23] <Shmam> this sounds really bad holy shit
[05:23] <matjam> yeah its kinda bad when your filesystem goes to pot
[05:24] <matjam> is the system multiboot?
[05:24] <Shmam> yep
[05:24] <ikonia> Shmam: control your language please
[05:24] <Shmam> sorry
[05:24] <ikonia> no problem
[05:24] <matjam> Shmam: is the device /dev/sda
[05:25] <Shmam> no its /dev/nvme0n1p7
[05:25] <matjam> ha, never seen an nvme device
[05:26] <Claire235> lol, not SCSI
[05:26] <ikonia> it's a m2 disk
[05:26] <matjam> smartctl -A /dev/nvme0n1
[05:26] <ikonia> smartctl won't show a ram disk "failing"
[05:26] <matjam> should give you an output. Is anything in "Pre-fail" state?
[05:27] <matjam> I thought you could use smartctl on m.2 devices though
[05:27] <Shmam> smartctl command not found :(
[05:27] <matjam> oh you need the nvme tool
[05:27] <Shmam> and unfortunately, I cant install it rn
[05:28] <matjam> is the nvme tool installed?
[05:28] <matjam> "nvme list"
[05:28] <Shmam> nope
[05:28] <Shmam> :,(
[05:28] <matjam> so, I'd boot off a USB stick
[05:28] <ikonia> Shmam: what version of ubuntu is this ?
[05:28] <Shmam> 16.04
[05:28] <matjam> and then do my work in the "try ubuntu" mode
[05:28] <ikonia> can you show me the output of the command "uname -a" please
[05:29] <Shmam> uname command not found
[05:29] <Shmam> wait wat
[05:29] <matjam> uh
[05:29] <Shmam> things might be really really messed up
[05:29] <ikonia> can you type "ls -la"
[05:29] <ikonia> or does that also error
[05:30] <Shmam> error but slightly better error: bash: /bin/ls: structure needs cleaning
[05:30] <ikonia> I don't think it's reading the disk anymore
[05:30] <ikonia> I think it's running from what it has in cache
[05:30] <ikonia> and commands such as uname will not be in cache
[05:30] <matjam> right
[05:31] <ikonia> I suspect you've somehow used up the ammount of writes that ram disk will support
[05:31] <ikonia> and it dropped into read only mode
[05:31] <ikonia> or it's just a device failure
[05:31] <Shmam> used up the amount of writes?
[05:31] <ikonia> yes, ram disks do not have unlimited writes
[05:32] <ikonia> (ram disks is the wrong word I acknowledge)
[05:32] <matjam> if you have a USB stick that's bootable with ubuntu, boot into it and then see if you can do your fsck etc from that.
[05:32] <Shmam> yeah. I should also mention that I purchased this laptop only a few months ago
[05:33] <ikonia> not sure what the purchase date has got to do with anything ?
[05:33] <Claire235> New NVMe drive?
[05:33] <ikonia> just reboot and see what comes back up
[05:34] <Shmam> by purchase date, I was just trying to say that its fairly new
[05:34] <ikonia> so ?
[05:35] <Shmam> a mechanical failure/used up all of the writes is somewhat unlikely
[05:35] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[05:35] <ikonia> things can fail being a day old
[05:35] <ikonia> and you can type unwise/mistaken commands that can use up writes very quickly
[05:35] <Claire235> true ^
[05:36] <ikonia> thats why vendors give warranty because things can fail
[05:36] <matjam> or something corrupted the superblock
[05:36] <matjam> or some other bug
[05:36] <ikonia> also very true
[05:36] <ikonia> I wouldn't expect that to go to read only
[05:36] <matjam> reboot, and if you have a bootable usb stick, use that
[05:36] <ikonia> I'd expect that to just become unreadable
[05:37] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting the following error: https://hastebin.com/opiqukahic.rb can someone help?
[05:38] <Shmam> so should I shutdown and then power back on or actually restart? I sometimes have problems with restart
[05:39] <ikonia> you sometimes have problems with restart ?
[05:39] <ikonia> what does that mean ?
[05:39] <ikonia> Rembo: that doesn't look like ubuntu
[05:39] <Shmam> it will sometimes hang in between grub and loading into the os
[05:40] <ikonia> Shmam: so do you not think you may have a hardware problem ?
[05:40] <ikonia> if it randomly hangs like that ?
[05:40] <ikonia> that's not normal
[05:40] <Shmam> no it happens every time
[05:40] <ikonia> (remove the splash screen and see what's going on under the good)
[05:40] <ikonia> Shmam: this is unacceptable
[05:40] <Shmam> only if I restart instead of power of / power on
[05:40] <ikonia> Shmam: "I sometimes have a problem" is very different from "it happens every time"
[05:40] <matjam> Rembo: that curl works for me, ubuntu 18.04
[05:41] <ikonia> Rembo: we do not support debian here
[05:41] <ikonia> please don't ask here, use #debian
[05:41] <Shmam> ok, one thing at a time. I'll look at that next
[05:41] <ikonia> Rembo: please also don't cross-post in multiple channels
[05:42] <ikonia> Rembo: you've also been told what to do to fix this - so please, stop
[05:43] <Shmam> ok so for whatever reason, I cant get into the bios
[05:43] <Shmam> but I did get into some sort of grub command line
[05:43] <ikonia> Shmam: you appear to have a hardware problem
[05:44] <matjam> that usually happens when grub can't read it's configuration from the filesystem that holds /boot.
[05:44] <ikonia> Shmam: I think it is pointless to progress this in this channel as it doesn't appear to be software related
[05:44] <ikonia> Shmam: you need to contact your laptop vendor
[05:44] <ikonia> if you can't get into a bios, it sometimes fails to boot and your disk has randomly just failed, that sounds like a hardware problem on computer
[05:45] <Shmam> yeah you're right. it just really really sucks
[05:45] <Shmam> everything is now gone
[05:45] <Shmam> fun times
[05:45] <ikonia> you should have backed up
[05:45] <matjam> now you're just rubbing salt into the wound, ikonia :P
[05:46] <Shmam> I have all of the important stuff backed up
[05:46] <Claire235> r/welltahtsucks
[05:46] <Shmam> its ok
[05:49] <Shmam> I should still be able to get into the bios tho
[05:50] <Claire235> what model laptop?
[05:50] <Shmam> its a razer blade stealth late 2017
[05:52] <Claire235> F11 for BIOS
[05:52] <Claire235> Correct?
[05:53] <Shmam> I was using the delete key
[05:53] <Claire235> ah
[05:53] <Shmam> when I boot, it says del or F1
[05:53] <Claire235> try f1
[05:53] <ikonia> we're not here to debug hardware problems
[05:53] <Shmam> oh baby we are in
[05:53] <Shmam> it is now a software problem
[05:54] <Claire235> sorry
[05:54] <Shmam> we are in the bios
[05:55] <Shmam> so the nvme controller info says the following: Bus: 3B Dev: 0 Func: 0, Samsung MZVLW512HMJP-00000 NVME size: 512.1GB
[05:55] <ikonia> Shmam: no, it's not randomly a software problem all of a sudden
[05:56] <Shmam> I get that you think its a hardware problem which could totally be right but I want to explore all possibilities including a software problem
[05:56] <Claire235> honestly i think its a bad drive
[05:57] <ikonia> Shmam: ok, so reboot, see what comes back up
[05:57] <matjam> me too; I do think you should boot from a USB stick though and see if you can't fsck the thing.
[05:57] <matjam> he can't, he gets a grub prompt instead of a boot menu.
[05:57] <Claire235> ^^
[05:57] <ikonia> who cares about fsck at this stage
[05:58] <guiverc> if its a suspect drive, wouldn't you check smart status (smartctl) before you tried to fix logical errors
[05:59] <Shmam> ok so we are now in ubuntu from usb drive
[05:59] <ikonia> smartctl won't support fully a nve disk
[05:59] <ikonia> you need different tools, which he can't install as his disk is not responding
[06:00] <Shmam> should I install smartctl on the usb ubuntu?
[06:00] <matjam> he can install packages on his usb booted system.
[06:00] <matjam> you need the nvme command
[06:01] <matjam> then use "nvme list" to list the devices, "nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0" to look at the device
[06:01] <matjam> don't paste the output into here or ikonia will throw a fit
[06:02] <ikonia> matjam: uncalled for
[06:02] <matjam> media_errors might be useful to look at
[06:02] <matjam> I dunno man, you seem pretty grumpy.
[06:02] <Shmam> unable to locate package nvme-cli
[06:02] <Claire235> sorry for restarting this
[06:03] <Shmam> umm so I see the nvme drive in file manager
[06:03] <Shmam> and I can see all of the files in there
[06:04] <Claire235> can you edit?
[06:05] <Claire235> read only (dead) drives shouldn't save edited files
[06:05] <matjam> I'd want to unmount it and do a full fsck on the filesystem before doing anything else
[06:05] <t4tdxkljfjl4tld> hello
[06:05] <Claire235> listen to them, they know more
[06:06] <ikonia> who cares about fsck
[06:06] <ikonia> if the disk is actually in write expired mode, fsck will do more damage
[06:07] <Shmam> ok im unmounting 1 sec
[06:07] <matjam> do a "mount" in terminal, make a note of the device mounted for the partition, and then do fsck -y DEV
[06:07] <matjam> you're just assuming that, ikonia
[06:07] <matjam> fsck will tell him pretty quickly.
[06:07] <ikonia> matjam: I'm not assuming, I'm protecting incase that is true
[06:08] <ikonia> do not do -y !
[06:08] <Shmam> so theres a bunch of partitions on the nvme drive and the only one thats mounted is the ntfs ubuntu partition
[06:08] <matjam> if its write expired, then it won't be able to fix anything.
[06:08] <ikonia> you do not randomly say "yes" to everything in fsck unless you know the problem
[06:08] <Shmam> so that is now unmounted
[06:08] <matjam> its unlikely it could mount without updating the superblock, btw
[06:08] <matjam> so I doubt its write expired.
[06:09] <Shmam> ok so should I just "fsck DEV"?
[06:09] <matjam> do an fsck -N DEV if you just want to see what it would do.
[06:09] <matjam> or jsut fsck DEV
[06:09] <Shmam> fsck from util-linux 2.27.1
[06:10] <matjam> will read it and check the structure and output problems
[06:10] <Shmam> thats weird...
[06:10] <matjam> stupid question, is teh filesystem ext4?
[06:10] <matjam> or is it btrfs
[06:11] <ikonia> I don't think btrfs was available as an install option on 16.04
[06:11] <ikonia> only later
[06:11] <ikonia> (I could be wrong on that)
[06:11] <Shmam> how can I check?
[06:11] <matjam> yeah I'm not sure either
[06:12] <ikonia> I' %90 it wasn't in the installer in 16.04
[06:12] <ikonia> and if it was it was an adanved feature, you'd know if you'd used it
[06:12] <matjam> er a partition editor would tell you
[06:12] <matjam> gparted, etc
[06:12] <matjam> you could probably do the filesystem check from there too.
[06:13] <matjam> right, you'd know if you'd changed it to btrfs or something else other than ext4
[06:13] <Shmam> so the windows partition is ntfs but the ubuntu one doesnt have it listed
[06:13] <Shmam> I used lsblk -fm
[06:13] <matjam> awooga.
[06:14] <matjam> yeah .. something isn't happy there
[06:14] <matjam> I mean, you can mount under the files browser in the shell so thats nice
[06:14] <matjam> but if the partition information isn't there
[06:15] <matjam> something hosed it
[06:16] <Claire235> matjam your great :-D
[06:16] <matjam> not really, but thanks for the support
[06:16] <matjam> :P
[06:17] <Claire235> i mean you're funny, and make this fun/entertaining
[06:17] <matjam> at this point I'd be thinking, make sure I have any files I need, update the partition to have the right filesystem set for that partition, then do a fsck on it and see if it's ok, reboot, see if it comes up.
[06:18] <matjam> when I say "make sure I have any files" I mean, make a backup out of the files browser, if it lets you read files at all
[06:18] <Claire235> yes.... you could copy the important stuff to another usb drive
[06:18] <matjam> if he has two usb ports :P
[06:18] <Claire235> that laptop has afew
[06:19] <matjam> this did nudge me to set up deja-dup at least :P
[06:19] <Shmam> I could only read files from the windows partition
[06:19] <Claire235> lols
[06:20] <Claire235> oh
[06:20] <Shmam> I can probably boot into that actually
[06:20] <Claire235> that would be helpful
[06:20] <Shmam> would it?
[06:20] <matjam> well, it would at least tell you if the device itself is faulty
[06:20] <Shmam> oh yeeaaaa
[06:20] <Claire235> thi^^
[06:20] <matjam> if you can't boot windows either then, as ikonia says, hardware problem
[06:20] <Claire235> problem=XY
[06:21] <Claire235> or at the very least, partition issues
[06:21] <matjam> yeah
[06:21] <Shmam> yep windows works
[06:21] <matjam> well
[06:21] <Claire235> ok...
[06:21] <Shmam> drive is not dead YEAYY
[06:21] <matjam> something hosed your partition table for the linux partition
[06:22] <matjam> but it should be repairable with fdisk, and fsck
[06:22] <matjam> but honestly
[06:22] <matjam> install ubunt 18.04
[06:22] <matjam> ^_^
[06:22] <thanos_> hi
[06:22] <Shmam> im using kde neon so i've gotta wait anyways
[06:22] <swift110> hmm
[06:22] <swift110> i dont like windows
[06:23] <Claire235> ^^ yes... 18.04=WAY better
[06:23] <Claire235> while in windows
[06:23] <matjam> I would feel a bit brave running 16.04 on an nvme drive
[06:23] <Claire235> check the disk
[06:24] <Shmam> why cant 16.04 run on a nvme?
[06:24] <Claire235> shman https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2641432/check-your-hard-disk-for-errors-in-windows-7
[06:25] <matjam> Shmam: not saying it can't, just .. older releases and new hardware don't necessarily go well toegether. Bugs like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1638700
[06:25] <matjam> I'm not saying thats your problem
[06:25] <matjam> I'm just saying, its new hardware and its running an older release
[06:26] <Shmam> true
[06:26] <matjam> on newer hardware I tend to prefer newer releases
[06:26] <Shmam> no errors were found on the drive in windows
[06:26] <Claire235> cool
[06:26] <Claire235> so borked part table
[06:27] <matjam> so its nice that you could boot windows, it means grub could read it's grub config.
[06:27] <matjam> maybe ubuntu will boot now.
[06:27] <Claire235> maybe!!
[06:27] <Shmam> no I didnt go through grub
[06:27] <matjam> regardless of the partition table corruption
[06:27] <matjam> oh
[06:27] <Claire235> why am i excited to hear back
[06:27] <Shmam> I booted into the windows partition from bios
[06:27] <Claire235> lol
[06:27] <matjam> well thats neat
[06:28] <Shmam> im more excited to hear back, but also really terrified to hear back
[06:28] <matjam> I've never used an m.2 device so I don't know how its handled
[06:29] <Claire235> so, what is the specific model # for the razer blade
[06:30] <Shmam> I dont have the model number but its the one with the i7-7500U, 512GB ssd, 16GB ram, late 2017 model
[06:35] <Claire235> so it looks like the m.2 is nvme ONLY (no SATA)... this would have given you the option to through money at the problem
[06:36] <Claire235> honestly, what do you need to keep from that partition?
[06:37] <Shmam> there isnt anything that I really need
[06:37] <Shmam> I just dont know what went wrong
[06:37] <Claire235> cool.... burn it down, reinstall
[06:37] <matjam> well my theory is, you found a bug
[06:37] <matjam> try kubuntu 18.04 :P
[06:38] <Shmam> a bug with ark?
[06:38] <matjam> a kernel bug
[06:38] <matjam> like the one I linked
[06:38] <matjam> something that wasn't fixed in your install
[06:38] <matjam> or something new
[06:38] <matjam> like I said
[06:38] <matjam> I don't know
[06:39] <matjam> but you know, if you go and install your kde neon 16.04 OS and just do all the same stuff, its probably going to happen again
[06:39] <Shmam> ok can either of you find out if kde neon is on 18.04 yet? I cant seem to figure out which version of ubuntu its on
[06:39] <Shmam> for the newest version
[06:40] <ducasse> Shmam: kde neon is unsupported here, if you want help here you should be running ubuntu
[06:40] <Shmam> it's ubuntu under the hood
[06:40] <ducasse> doesn't matter
[06:41] <ducasse> !based on ubuntu
[06:41] <matjam> #kde-neon on freenode
[06:42] <matjam> Shmam: if you install ubuntu and have problems, let us know. But I think we've done the best we can to help you mate.
[06:44] <Claire235> :-)
[06:44] <Claire235> im on kde-neon as well RN
[06:45] <Shmam> oh noes. they are still working on it but almost done
[06:45] <ChiLLabiS> Hi! I can't connect to my vpn.. I had this problem with 16.04 after an apt-get upgrade. So i did a fresh install of 18.04 but i have the same problem... And sudo nmtui can't connect either. Here's the syslog..https://pastebin.com/YDJQjwP1
[06:47] <Claire235> matjam ikonia ducasse .... hello, i want to make sure I'm not stepping on toes
[06:47] <matjam> ChiLLabiS: Could not open control connection to 85.24.253.11 <-- seems like what you're trying to connect to doesn't want to talk to you. Check your configuration.
[06:47] <shorti> Hey everyone, one short noob question :-) If anyone gets banned from IRC channel. How is it made that can not join again? Is it based on locking the IP address?
[06:47] <SlidingHorn> shorti: not really an ubuntu question
[06:47] <ducasse> shorti: ask in #freenode
[06:51] <Claire235> matjam ikonia ducasse SlidingHorn ... is this a collective of canonical employees? or informed users? I want to know so i dont get in the way :-/
[06:52] <ducasse> just volunteers
[06:52] <Claire235> cool
[06:52] <Claire235> thank you
[06:52] <ducasse> there are some canonical employees here, on theit own time
[06:52] <ducasse> *their
[06:53] <Claire235> how nice :-)
[06:53] <matjam> so their contributions are not ... canonical. ... ok I'll get my coat.
[06:54] <phocking> wlol
[06:54] <Claire235> I'm relatively new to linux as a whole, but i was told that sitting in on this will kick start my knowledge...
[06:55] <Shmam> yeah I've found that the irc is one of the best, if not the best, place to learn about linux
[06:55] <ducasse> this is a good place to learn a lot
[06:55] <Shmam> and people are so nice and helpful!
[06:55] <Claire235> so..... here I am.... PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong here, there, everywhere
[06:56] <Claire235> :-) :-)
[06:56] <Claire235> question
[06:57] <Shmam> so it sounds like kde neon on 18.04 will be out in a week or so. thats good. I guess I'll just go back to wondows land :(
[06:57] <matjam> good luck Shmam
[06:57] <Shmam> but it does have the linux subsystem now so I can sortof use ubuntu
[06:57] <Claire235> lols.... or try ubuntu...
[06:58] <matjam> yeah and ask questions in #kde-neon :P
[06:58] <Shmam> ive run ubuntu before and run it on a few of my servers
[06:58] <Claire235> kk
[06:59] <Shmam> so its good, I just dont love unity desktop
[07:02] <SlidingHorn> Shmam: 18.04 doesn't use unity
[07:03] <Shmam> oh did they switch to gnome?
[07:03] <Shmam> I remember hearing that they were thinking about it
[07:03] <matjam> its gnome-shell with a few ubuntu mods to make it look a bit like unity
[07:03] <SlidingHorn> yep - obviously there are the kubuntu, xubuntu, & lubuntu spins as well
[07:04] <guiverc> 17.10 & 18.04 both default to gnome
[07:04] <matjam> I'm kinda happy with it, I just use normal gnome shell now, not even the ubuntu version of it
[07:04] <Claire235> so question.... making an file (like in windows ( .bat or batch file)) that opens in the terminal... my intent is to (click on the file)/(opens in terminal)/(runs contents of file) ... starting contents of file (watch -n .5 sensors)
[07:05] <Shmam> like this? https://www.shellscript.sh/
[07:06] <Shmam> thats probably what you want
[07:06] <Claire235> :-) thanks
[07:08] <Shmam> Alright, im going to go. Thanks for the help today, I really appreciate it!
[07:08] <matjam> Shmam: laters.
[07:08] <swift110> hmm
[07:09] <Claire235> shmam laters :-)
[07:09] <swift110> lol they dont use unity anymore
[07:09] <Newbie0012> hi is there any way I could block sudo users from network settings
[07:09] <talmid> how do you use netplan to bring an interface up?
[07:09] <Claire235> change sudo paswords??
[07:09] <Claire235> lol
[07:09] <SlidingHorn> Newbie0012: remove them from sudo?  :/
[07:11] <Newbie0012> SlidingHorn: Is that the only way I just need them not seeing wifi passwords
[07:11] <SlidingHorn> giving someone sudo privileges implies that you trust them with root access to your machine
[07:11] <ducasse> talmid: you don't, you use network manager or systemd-networkd to actually manage the interfaces
[07:12] <Newbie0012> SlidingHorn: Yes I know that i just want to disable show wifi password option
[07:13] <talmid> Thank you. I have to get used to netplan.
[07:13] <w23o5i> I ran into a problem yesterday evening trying to get Mozilla to connect to a radio I was setting up.  I was connected to a bridge that dished out DHCP, but could not get to the radio at 10.0.0.1.  I had not internet connection, and can do this on my other chromebook using Chrome.  Is this a Mozilla issue, or a Xubuntu?
[07:13] <ducasse> talmid: netplan just generates the config
[07:14] <matjam> !based on ubuntu
[07:14] <matjam> oh I guess xubuntu is an official flavor
[07:14] <matjam> :P
[07:15] <matjam> w23o5i: not sure, could you ping it?
[07:16] <Haris> hello all
[07:16] <Haris> can we have latest node js on 14.04 lts ?
[07:16] <w23o5i> matjam: You know I didn't try that; I had a million other things going on to ping from this machine.  I was able to do everything from my Android phone, so that was the route I took.. least resistance.
[07:17] <SlidingHorn> !latest | Haris
[07:17] <ducasse> Haris: not in any supported way, you'd need a third party repo or build it yourself
[07:20] <talmid> ducasse: I add configuration to the netplan config file. But I have no idea how to bring it up. A reboot doesn't bring it up either. It's basically a static network with a crossover cable.
[07:25] <Haris> what is the node pkg on xenial which will give me node binary ?
[07:28] <matjam> Haris: this is beyond what this channel can provide support on, but I googled this, maybe you should look at using NodeSource: https://github.com/nodesource/distributions
[07:28] <SlidingHorn> Haris: Not sure if there is one - https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=node&searchon=names&suite=xenial&section=all
[07:29] <matjam> nodesource are releasing packages and support 14.04
[07:36] <Haris> will have to update from xenial to bionic
[07:37] <Haris> do-release-upgrade on xenial says;
[07:37] <Haris> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[07:37] <Haris> No new release found.
[07:38] <SlidingHorn> Haris: upgrade path from xenial to bionic isn't fully supported until the .1 release which is scheduled tentatively for July if I recall correctly
[07:38] <Haris> *big* *ouch*
[07:38] <Haris> fresh install is the way ?
[07:39] <SlidingHorn> Haris: if you cannot wait til then, you could back up your files and do a fresh install, yes
[07:39] <matjam> Haris: did you not like using the nodesource ppa?
[07:41] <Haris> ?
[07:41] <Haris> (stupid Q) is it available in binary pkgs on ubuntu 14.x for version 8.11.x ?
[07:42] <SlidingHorn> are you on 14.04 or 16.04 Haris ?
[07:42] <Haris> both
[07:42] <Haris> we were upgrading from 14.x to 16.x. Looks like we might make the jump from 14.x to 18.x
[07:42] <Haris> directly
[07:43] <Haris> is 18.x not ready for production yet .. at server side ?
[07:43] <matjam> nodesource provide packages for 8.x for both 14.04 and 16.04
[07:43] <matjam> we don't know
[07:43] <matjam> ask the #nodejs people
[07:44] <matjam> or wherever they live
[07:44] <matjam> #node.js
[07:49] <Claire235> well, have fun :-) I'll be back soon
[08:16] <markbuzz> hello
[08:17] <SlidingHorn> markbuzz: what can we help you with?
[08:18] <markbuzz> woah..!!
[08:18] <markbuzz> forsit of all, I am a total noob, and i somehow managed to join this chatroom/channel i was just playing around with this new version of ubuntu
[08:19] <markbuzz> it is sweet
[08:19] <markbuzz> first**
[08:19] <SlidingHorn> markbuzz: glad you like it - do you have a support question?  For general chat, feel free to type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:22] <markbuzz> Okay, thanks. slidinghorn man i dont even know how it works lol
[08:23] <aLeSD_> hi guys
[08:23] <aLeSD_> I am using zsh and I have no snap sw in the launcher
[08:23] <aLeSD_> any clue on a possible solution ?
[08:24] <kostkon> aLeSD_, sw = software?
[08:24] <aLeSD_> kostkon, sw == software. yes
[08:25] <SlidingHorn> aLeSD_: is there a particular snap package you're looking for?
[08:25] <aLeSD_> Telegram , visual studio code, etc etc
[08:25] <aLeSD_> all of them
[08:25] <aLeSD_> slack
[08:26] <SlidingHorn> aLeSD_: have you tried searching using the    snap find    command?
[08:26] <aLeSD_> SlidingHorn, I can install them
[08:26] <aLeSD_> the prob is that I have no entry in the launcher
[08:27] <SlidingHorn> aLeSD_: This might be helpful:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/910821/snap-install-programs-not-in-launcher
[08:28] <matjam> I use the vscode package off https://code.visualstudio.com/
[08:28] <matjam> its not a snap
[08:28] <aLeSD_> matjam, me too
[08:29] <kostkon> aLeSD_, https://askubuntu.com/questions/910821/snap-install-programs-not-in-launcher#comment1626504_989485
[08:35] <g__> G'day all, I'm having trouble with my iptables after 18.04 release, my vpn connects but no dns, appreciate if anyone can spare time to advise :)
[08:37] <g__> quiet in here
[08:41] <FarFromHome> Hear me now?
[08:42] <Cheez> If it's any consolation, I heard you the first time, I just don't have an answer for you :)
[08:42] <SlidingHorn> !patience | FarFromHome
[08:43] <FarFromHome> Thanks people, wasn't sure if I was muted due to orig username not being accepted :)
[08:47] <FarFromHome>   
[08:48] <FarFromHome> not imppatient, just don't wanna time out
[08:48] <SlidingHorn> FarFromHome: This is from 16.10, but it sounds similar to your situation...  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2352821  (you won't time out - people idle in here all day)
[08:49] <FarFromHome> SlidingHorn: thanks I'll take alook
[08:54] <DocPlatypus> can you upgrade 14.04 directly to 18.04?
[08:54] <DocPlatypus> my old desktop is still on 14.04 for the moment
[08:55] <SlidingHorn> DocPlatypus: no, best bet is to back up anything important and do a fresh install
[08:55] <SlidingHorn> direct upgrades aren't supported until the .1 release which I believe is scheduled for July
[08:56] <DocPlatypus> I plan to back up but I definitely don't plan to do a fresh install
[08:56] <DocPlatypus> I may just upgrade to 16.04 and then 18.04 back to back
[08:57] <DocPlatypus> this box shipped with 11.04 I think originally... I have upgraded it to 11.10 then 12.04 then 14.04
[08:57] <SlidingHorn> DocPlatypus: it's the same situation with 16.04
[08:57] <DocPlatypus> SlidingHorn: yeah 14.04 to 16.04 on my laptop did kind of break a lot of stuff
[08:58] <l0llip0p> DocPlatypus: In theory it should'nt cause any problem except with your home config files
[08:58] <DocPlatypus> I had to use lightdm instead of gdm3
[08:58] <DocPlatypus> 18.04 is much better though I'm still working out the kinks with a lack of Python 2 support in Vim/GVim
[08:58] <l0llip0p> DocPlatypus: but in practice you should backup your data and do what SlidingHorn said
[08:59] <DocPlatypus> I almost never do fresh installs. do-release-upgrade exists for a reason
[08:59] <l0llip0p> DocPlatypus: just backup your data and upgrade to 18.04 and see what happens :)
[08:59] <DocPlatypus> the one re-install I did was when the original hard drive on this laptop took a #$%& just over a month after I got it (it has since failed completely but not before I transferred its contents to a new SSD)
[08:59] <DocPlatypus> ok
[09:00] <SlidingHorn> DocPlatypus: it does...when that do-release-upgrade is officially supported... 14.04 > 16.04 is supported 16.04 > 18.04 is not yet
[09:00] <DocPlatypus> it can't go any worse than it did on the laptop if I actually upgrade to 18.04 directly, unlike with the laptop where I accidentally did a half-assed and botched 16.04 > 17.10 upgrade
[09:00] <DocPlatypus> before upgrading the 17.10 botch to 18.04
[09:00] <l0llip0p> SlidingHorn: yeah that is true. I think also that is better to wait 18.04.1 release
[09:02] <DocPlatypus> I'm an early adopter this time. I was a fairly late adopter of 16.04
[09:02] <DocPlatypus> and enough stuff I use has again been dropped from the main distribution that I'm considering backing up the packages for later reinstallation should I need them
[09:04] <SlidingHorn> DocPlatypus: pulling packages from a different version's repos is not recommended
[09:04] <SlidingHorn> it's a good way to mess up your system
[09:04] <DocPlatypus> SlidingHorn: it's stuff I installed while running 16.04, that still runs on 18.04
[09:04] <DocPlatypus> if it's broken, I'll get rid of it or find a proper 18.04 version
[09:06] <DocPlatypus> is there a proper third-party package for xchat-gnome on 18.04?
[09:06] <SlidingHorn> third party packages aren't supported here
[09:09] <kostkon> DocPlatypus, what do you mean by that
[09:09] <kostkon> DocPlatypus, oh it's not available in the repos anymore
[09:09] <DocPlatypus> never mind looks like the accepted choice is to migrate to HexChat
[09:10] <kostkon> DocPlatypus, yep
[09:14] <FarFromHome> I'm still here, keep being booted due to messing with network settings... i think
[09:50] <laurent_> hi
[09:51] <SlidingHorn> laurent_: hi :)  how can we help you
[09:53] <laurent_> well it's okay
[09:53] <Silmarilion> Does ubuntu updater update snappy packages as well (18.04)?
[09:53] <laurent_> i was not sure i was connected cause i was doing /join musescore instead of /join #musescore
[09:54] <laurent_> nice name silmarilion i am a fan of tolkien :)
[09:54] <Silmarilion> tnx :)
[09:54] <SlidingHorn> Silmarilion: to update a snap package, all you have to do is   sudo snap refresh    to see a list of upgradable snaps,  sudo snap refresh --list
[09:55] <Silmarilion> great
[09:57] <ducasse> Silmarilion: snap packages update themselves, don't need to do anything. there is a systemd service that takes care of it for you.
[10:00] <Silmarilion> ducasse, I see. And is there a way to see when a snap has been updated?
[10:04] <ducasse> Silmarilion: try asking in #snappy, but i expect the log of the systemd service might tell you something
[10:10] <Cheez> i accidentally installed 18.04 instead of 16.04 last night at home, and was shocked to get gnome, i hadn't realised they'd killed unity :(
[10:10] <Cheez> sadface
[10:12]  * XXCoder happyface
[10:12] <XXCoder> I never liked unity
[10:12] <brainwash> Cheez: you can still install unity on 18.04
[10:13] <Cheez> i'd rather not move away from the defaults, i find that causes more headaches than not
[10:13] <lapaga> ubuntu-unity-desktop
[10:13] <brainwash> I guess
[10:13] <bash94> awesomewm is best
[10:13] <Cheez> i change as little as absolutely possible in my ui, because changing things breaks things
[10:14] <shiroininja> lol Cheez
[10:14] <crimson_king> Xfce FTW?
[10:14] <brainwash> but wouldn't installing unity give you the old experience back?
[10:14] <brainwash> not sure what it could break
[10:15] <shiroininja> that is like the most rediculous thing i've ever heard
[10:15] <Cheez> shiroininja: i'm only being partially facetious, my unity ui on my 16.04 box here at work is essentially out of the box.
[10:15] <Cheez> i moved the launcher to the bottom, but that's it
[10:17] <shiroininja> when I was on 16.04, I installed the newest gnome, themed to be identical to OSX with no issues. for me, it's changing the underlying structure of the os that causes issues. UI is pretty safe, as long as you arent removing/altering the backend structure
[10:18] <XXCoder> xfce is also my go-to desktop manager
[10:19] <XXCoder> most desktop managers tend to add too much features and kitchen sink also
[10:19] <XXCoder> so xfce is great
[10:19] <Cheez> yeah i might move to xubuntu
[10:20] <Cheez> i mean i have to re-install anyway, i'm not using 18.04 yet. it was an accident.
[10:44] <Dolanyeah115> Hello I want to ask if can I install ubuntu server in non-EFI way ?
[10:48] <SlidingHorn> Dolanyeah115: does the machine not support EFI?
[10:49] <Dolanyeah115> I think no
[10:50] <Dolanyeah115> I currently having problem while trying to clone ubuntu server using clonezilla but it failed to boot
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:50] <Dolanyeah115> i suspect that because it installed in EFI mode
[10:50] <Dolanyeah115> is grub contains x86_64-efi means it installed in EFI boot?
[10:51] <Dolanyeah115> other master contain I386-pc
[10:51] <SlidingHorn> Dolanyeah115: what indication did it give you that EFI was the root of the problem?
[10:51] <Dolanyeah115> no other idea
[10:51] <Dolanyeah115> just because what I told before
[10:52] <tomreyn> Dolanyeah115: what's the hardware you cloned to?
[10:52] <Dolanyeah115> the one with directory I386-pc good to clone
[10:53] <Dolanyeah115> I think AMD Phenom II X3 720 for the processor
[10:53] <Dolanyeah115> do you need specific information of hardware?
[10:54] <tomreyn> no, i was assuming it was standard server hardware, but this sounds like a desktop
[10:54] <Dolanyeah115> yes it's desktop
[10:55] <Dolanyeah115> but I need to use it for server
[10:55] <tomreyn> it's also old enough that it's not very likely that this is a uefi system
[10:55] <Dolanyeah115> so if I install into it, it wont installed in EFI mode right?
[10:56] <tomreyn> i don't know, just guessing. depend on the mainboard and firmware configuration.
[10:57] <tomreyn> or more precisely, the installer will install in the mode it was booted.
[10:58] <Dolanyeah115> i see
[10:58] <Dolanyeah115> or is there any way that I can repair the boot
[10:59] <Dolanyeah115> it's currently cloned in EFI mode
[10:59] <Dolanyeah115> already 2 days of trying
[10:59] <Dolanyeah115> boot-repair cant work because I cannot boot in EFI mode
[10:59] <Dolanyeah115> trying to chroot and repair grub fail too
[11:00] <Dolanyeah115> but all the cloned system intact when I try to boot from clonezilla by chrooting
[11:00] <Dolanyeah115> even the internet works after mounting all necesarry thing
[11:03] <tomreyn> if the target system doesn't support uefi booting but the storage image you cloned to it is from an uefi booting system then you'll need to replace, on the target, the ESP by a biosboot partition so that grub may boot off it with an initrd. you'll also need to reinstall grub to the target boot device.
[11:06] <Dolanyeah115> it's new to me.. how to do the biosboot can you give any link?
[11:10] <tomreyn> Dolanyeah115: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks#Default:_Using_parted_to_partition_the_disk - parted can do it, the relevant part is "set 1 bios_grub on" which results in "Flags: bios_grub" in the 'print' view
[11:10] <mozart1893> can anyone help with the followin login issue?    ```authentication failure``` ``switch to greeter ubuntu``
[11:11] <tomreyn> !details | mozart1893
[11:14] <mozart1893> tomreyn: i locked my ubuntu 16.04 system and get an error which states "authentication failure" even though i use the right password.
[11:15] <tomreyn> mozart1893: is this a graphical desktop?
[11:15] <mozart1893> tomreyn: yes it is
[11:16] <mozart1893> tomreyn: i also observed "switch to greeter" appears in the password field just before i key in the password.
[11:17] <tomreyn> mozart1893: you can switch to a textual terminal by pressing ctrl-alt-f1. to switch back to the graphical login press ctrl-alt-f7 at any time. are you able to login at the terminal?
[11:18] <Dolanyeah115> tomeryn: by install the grub means doing command like grub-update and grub-install right?
[11:18] <brahmana> Hi.. I have a Ubuntu 14.04 server on EC2 running a small rails application fronted by Nginx. It's been running fine several days. I login to that server via SSH. So ports 80 and 22 are open.
[11:18] <Dolanyeah115> means I must mounting them to livecd/usb after do the parted part right?
[11:18] <tomreyn> Dolanyeah115: grub-install, yes
[11:18] <brahmana> However currently, neither the sshd or the webserver is responding to requests. HTTP requests are timing out. ssh attemps are stuck. If I telnet to port 80 or 22, it connects.
[11:20] <brahmana> It appears that the network stack till the kernel is working fine but the applications (sshd, nginx) are unable to do anything.
[11:20] <tomreyn> Dolanyeah115: doing a recovery chroot from a live cd with all required block devices (also the virtual ones) mounted, and running 'grub-install' is needed.
[11:20] <blackflow> brahmana: probably I/O got stuck. not unexpected for AWS
[11:20] <blackflow> brahmana: rebooted the server?
[11:20] <brahmana> Monitoring doesn't show any CPU spike.. CPU usage has been around 1 to 1.5%
[11:21] <brahmana> blackflow: No, not yet. This is happening for a second time today. First time it sort of self healed after 15-20 mins or so.
[11:22] <brahmana> blackflow: If I restart is there some place I can check to find out what actually was the issue?
[11:22] <blackflow> brahmana: next time you gain access to it, check the logs. I/O getting stuck should be pretty visible in kernel logs
[11:22] <tomreyn> brahmana: check the terminal output on the aws 'console'
[11:22] <brahmana> blackflow: dmesg ?
[11:22] <brahmana> tomreyn: checking that now
[11:22] <tomreyn> dmesg doesn't survive reboots, /var/log/syslog does
[11:22] <mozart1893> tomreyn: Ctrl + Alt + F1 didnt take me to the terminal, It brings up the Ubuntu login icom
[11:23] <tomreyn> mozart1893: try ctrl-alt-f2
[11:23] <blackflow> brahmana: yeah /var/log/syslog, or journalctl if it's configured to be persistent across reboots.
[11:24] <brahmana> tomreyn, blackflow : Noted. Will check /var/log/syslog
[11:24] <blackflow> and uh yeah you mentioned it was 14.04, so no journalctl
[11:24] <mozart1893> tomreyn: blinkingg cusor
[11:24] <brahmana> tomreyn: The "Get System Log" option in AWS has nothing beyong the last reboot time (which is several months ago)
[11:25] <brahmana> tomreyn: Is that what you were referring to or something else?
[11:26] <tomreyn> mozart1893: on the ubuntu logo on ctrl-alt-f1, if you press escape there (maybe twice), does it show text output? any errors?
[11:27] <tomreyn> brahmana: yes i think so, haven't done it for some years.
[11:29] <dertefter> hi!
[11:29] <SlidingHorn> dertefter: Hi :)  How can we try to help you?
[11:32] <tomreyn> brahmana: yes, "Get System Log" is what i meant. if it contains no new record it may just mean that you don't have a serial console configured on ubuntu.
[11:32] <brahmana> tomreyn: Oh.. Any doc you can suggest for me to have that configured?
[11:36] <brahmana> tomreyn: Found some hit. There is a screenshot option which shows latest stuff. Looks like out of memory.
[11:37] <tomreyn> brahmana: i'mnot actually sure how they capture it, there's contradictory statements on this on the web.
[11:37] <tomreyn> apparently the serial console parameters should be ttyS0,115200n8
[11:38] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[11:39] <brahmana> tomreyn: Cool. Thank you.
[11:40] <tomreyn> brahmana: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/instance-console.html discusses how to retrieve the console output from a command line (may be easier, and is machine readable)
[11:40] <tomreyn> brahmana: note there is also ##aws here
[11:41] <revmoo> trying to upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 I get Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release, even running do-release-upgrade -d
[11:42] <brahmana> tomreyn: Oh.. wasn't aware of ##aws .. thanks for that too
[11:43] <compdoc> revmoo, i thought they only allow do-release-upgrade after the first point release
[11:43] <blackflow> yeah but -d should upgrade 17.10 to 18.04
[11:43] <revmoo> there's a bunch of guides specifically on doing 17.10 -> 18.04 but unfortunately none of them appear to work
[11:44] <blackflow> revmoo: check /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades , is prompt set to normal or lts?
[11:44] <ioria> revmoo, change to normal
[11:44] <revmoo> I did
[11:44] <revmoo> tried normal and lts
[11:45] <ioria> revmoo, grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[11:45] <blackflow> normal   plus do-release-upgrade -d   should upgrade 17.10 to 18.40. worked for me.
[11:45] <revmoo> Prompt=normal
[11:45] <ioria> revmoo,  how it fails ?
[11:46] <revmoo> "Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release"
[11:46] <revmoo> I've tried everything in the guides available
[11:46] <revmoo> weird that folks are reporting this same upgrade path as working
[11:46] <blackflow> revmoo: is your current system up to date?
[11:46] <revmoo> yes
[11:46] <ioria> cosmic
[11:46] <revmoo> I did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:47] <PsychoBoB> mornign!
[11:47] <PsychoBoB> morning!
[11:47] <PsychoBoB> guys, how i can disable a service that auto start:
[11:47] <PsychoBoB> ?
[11:47] <PsychoBoB> update-rc.d remove ?
[11:47] <tomreyn> revmoo: can you show 'lsb_release -ds' and 'cat /proc/version'?
[11:47] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: version and flavor?  Also, what's the service
[11:48] <ioria> revmoo, it might think that now is cosmic the development release .... maybe
[11:48] <tomreyn> blackflow: indeed, just try without -d
[11:48] <revmoo> well I guess if nobody has any ideas I'll find a thumbdrive and do a fresh install
[11:49] <compdoc> PsychoBoB, think it depends on the version of ubuntu
[11:49] <ioria> revmoo, you still have the debian way ...
[11:51] <qwefytuiityty> bug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NV3EK4YsP8
[11:52] <revmoo> interesting, the 'software updater' gui app it allowing me to upgrade
[11:52] <SlidingHorn> qwefytuiityty: please don't post YouTube videos in here - they're not valid support methods and most people aren't going to click them
[11:53] <revmoo> heh nm no it isn't it just flat out quits
[11:53] <revmoo> ok I'm doing the thumbdrive route thx guys
[11:56] <nullifidian> Is discard mount option a requirement for ext4 to issue TRIM commands, or it autodetects drive's capability by itself?
[11:58] <PsychoBoB> SlidingHorn, compdoc ubuntu 18.04
[11:58] <PsychoBoB> I need desable the monit
[11:59] <PsychoBoB> when my PC start
[11:59] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: just clarifying - normal ubuntu?  (Gnome?)
[12:06] <BlueGriffin> Hi everybody
[12:06] <PsychoBoB> SlidingHorn, ubuntu 18.04
[12:06] <PsychoBoB> i believe that gnome
[12:06] <PsychoBoB> but is it important to disable the monit ?
[12:06] <PsychoBoB> service monit ?
[12:07] <BlueGriffin> I would like to know if *Synaptic - *software manager or *apt-get update are synchronised ?
[12:08] <SlidingHorn> BlueGriffin: not sure what you mean but they're all different front ends for the same application (apt)
[12:10] <BlueGriffin> I like to use synaptic. If I use synaptic to reinstall a package, does the software manager update
[12:11] <BluesKaj> !dpkg
[12:14] <BlueGriffin> Is the software manager the exact same thing as using apt-get install from a given ppa ?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> BlueGriffin, apt, apt-get and all debian based package managers use the the same  dpkg based package management system
[12:15] <BlueGriffin> I'm asking because i've blown a number distros
[12:15] <BlueGriffin> (number of . .)
[12:17] <guiverc> BlueGriffin, exact same thing no - they're front ends for the tools that do the work, and manage your database of packages installed  (also the same system used by debian)
[12:18] <BluesKaj> ppas aren't kept up to date sometimes and leaving them in your sources.list.d can break your system due broken dependencies, BlueGriffin
[12:18] <BlueGriffin> I'm on linux mint right now so my OS repository in ubuntu.com
[12:19] <BluesKaj> !mint
[12:19] <BluesKaj> BlueGriffin,^
[12:20] <BlueGriffin> OK then
[12:42] <PsychoBoB> someone ?
[12:42] <PsychoBoB> Can I do disable the service monit when I start my PC ?
[12:43] <leftyfb> PsychoBoB: Yes. Why do you want it installed if you're going to disable the service?
[12:43] <JimBuntu> PsychoBoB, you can simply delete the init sscript if you want, or move it
[12:43] <leftyfb> JimBuntu: that's not the right way to do it
[12:43] <leftyfb> PsychoBoB: what version of ubuntu?
[12:46] <leftyfb> PsychoBoB: do disable it properly, if you're running Ubuntu 16.04 or later, use: sudo systemctl disable monit  # for Ubuntu 14.04, use: sudo update-rc.d monit disable #   for any version of ubuntu older than 16.04 other than 14.04, you'll need to upgrade since it's EOL and no longer supported.
[12:59] <cluelessperson> weirdly, very recently I'm not able to open up files from a CIFS mount
[12:59] <cluelessperson> another (windows) computer is able to mount the samba shares and play content fine
[13:00] <cluelessperson> I'm able to copy the content out via nautilus
[13:00] <cluelessperson> and play it on my desktop
[13:01] <cluelessperson> vlc is able to play from the command line
[13:02] <cluelessperson> restarting
[13:07] <cluelessperson> I restarted nautilus with   nautilus -q
[13:07] <cluelessperson> I was able to open a file
[13:07] <cluelessperson> then everything fails again
[13:09] <SlidingHorn> cluelessperson: hard to say without any error messages
[13:17] <dacomedian> I would like rip my old audio CDs with Amarok. I installed the codec lame. However, when I start Amarok and insert a CD nothing is shown in Amarok. I have an old Dell E6500 notbook and never used the cd drive. What could be the problem?
[13:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> the optical drive could be broken.
[13:18] <SlidingHorn> dacomedian:   inxi -xx -d | pastebinit
[13:19] <ankinorun> hey, guys! i just installed the latest lts and now my anki wont start- can somebody help? https://pastebin.com/fH1JJkrF
[13:19] <cluelessperson> SlidingHorn: I don't seem to get actual error messages
[13:19] <cluelessperson> https://hastebin.com/raw/ejoduwodew
[13:20] <cluelessperson> from syslog
[13:20] <cluelessperson> checking others
[13:20] <SlidingHorn> cluelessperson: what if you try to open one of the files via terminal?
[13:20] <dacomedian> SlidingHorn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mkhTbwgnqT/
[13:21] <cluelessperson> SlidingHorn: opens fine
[13:21] <SlidingHorn> ankinorun: Launchpad 1762593
[13:22] <cluelessperson> SlidingHorn: I get the impression it's like a permission or file open error
[13:22] <cluelessperson> but they open fine from terminal in various applications
[13:23] <cluelessperson> seems to only be an issue when started from nautilus
[13:23] <SlidingHorn> cluelessperson: most likely, but it'd be helpful to see it directly
[13:23] <cluelessperson> SlidingHorn: Not sure what I can hand you directly.   If I restart nautilus, the first file chosen works
[13:23] <ankinorun> thx for the hint SlidingHorn , worked after installing mentioned python3-distutils
[13:23] <cluelessperson> SlidingHorn: also to be specific,   Local files work,  those on the CIFS mount do not.
[13:24] <cluelessperson> 1. Issue only happens with CIFS mount/directories
[13:24] <cluelessperson> 2. if restarted, first file can be opened
[13:24] <cluelessperson> 3. I can browse CIFS directories no problem
[13:25] <cluelessperson> 4. opening cifs related files works fine from terminal
[13:26] <SlidingHorn> dacomedian: have you always opened amarok while the CD is already inserted?  or have you also attempted to insert the cd after amarok is already running?
[13:26] <SlidingHorn> just clarifying
[13:26] <dacomedian> SlidingHorn: Actually I have never used Amarok before.
[13:27] <dacomedian> I think the last time I used a CD/DVD drive was about 15 years ago and I always use VLC for movies, music, eztc
[13:27] <cluelessperson> dacomedian: you should be able to outright copy files off the cd without having to use some weird application
[13:28] <SlidingHorn> dacomedian: I just mean the order in which you're doing it...amarok open then CD, or CD then open amarok?
[13:28] <dacomedian> I started Amarok an inserted the CD. But it did not work so I took the CD out and reinserted it but still nothing ...
[13:29] <SlidingHorn> cluelessperson: if you're consistently able to open 1 file then it unable after that, you might want to consider filing a bug against nautilus
[13:29] <dacomedian> What other program can you recommend to rip CDs?
[13:29] <cluelessperson> SlidingHorn: I have no idea how to provide them more information.
[13:29] <SlidingHorn> dacomedian: okay I was just checking the process against a really old bug (that I believe is fixed anyway, but was worth a shot)
[13:29] <crmlt> Hello
[13:29] <crmlt> I'm unable to start Plasma Dekstop after Kubuntu installation
[13:30] <crmlt> with nouveau driver
[13:30] <SlidingHorn> crmlt: which version of Kubuntu?
[13:30] <cluelessperson> dacomedian: depends on what's on the cds.  Looks like cd tracks are represented as CDA files that would need to be converted to wav to preserve quality
[13:30] <crmlt> I stuck on black screen with cursor
[13:30] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: 18.04
[13:30] <dacomedian> Just exited Amarok, left the CD in the drive and restarted Amarok. I can not see any titles.
[13:30] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: i'm able to switch tty
[13:30] <SlidingHorn> crmlt: is this before or after logging in?  Do you get a login screen?
[13:31] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: before
[13:31] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: I don't
[13:31] <dacomedian> I am trying to rip all my parents CD because they have so many CDs and it is a mess. Can not find anything. Also for space reasons.
[13:32] <tautau> hi everybody
[13:32] <SlidingHorn> crmlt: nvidia GPU?  also, what happens if you log in using a TTY and startx?
[13:32] <dacomedian> But I also can not see the inserted CD in Dolphin.
[13:32] <dacomedian> Could it be a driver problem or screwed drived?
[13:33] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: yes nvidia, same thing happens
[13:33] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: i hadn't this problem in previous 17.10 release
[13:33] <SlidingHorn> crmlt: if you use the startx command, you'll be given at least some text when it attempts to start
[13:34] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: i can startx with nomodeset only
[13:35] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: nouveau GPU succesfully initialized according to dmesg
[13:35] <crmlt> I encouter same when I try start live session from livecd both ubuntu and kubuntu
[13:36] <SlidingHorn> crmlt: could you pastebin your Xorg.0.log?   cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
[13:36] <SlidingHorn> crmlt: what graphics card do you have?
[13:37] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: geforce 320m
[13:37] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PNDHdYmQVw/
[13:39] <dacomedian> At least in the infocenter the DVD drive is recognized.
[13:40] <dacomedian> I have done an upgrade to 18.04 this morning. I wonder if this could have anything to do with it.
[13:40] <crmlt> SlidingHorn: looks there's nothing interessting
[13:41] <SlidingHorn> crmlt: found one error, but my startpage search isn't coming up with anything yet
[13:41] <SlidingHorn> crmlt: "failed to allocate class"
[13:41] <dacomedian> I am not Linux expert. I don't have to mount the CD right?
[13:41] <dacomedian> It should be done automatically under KDE as far as I know.
[13:44] <dacomedian> With k3b it works. It recognized the CD and display the name of the songs correctly.
[13:45] <dacomedian> In k3b when converting to mp3 should I use the mp3 (lame) or the MPG1 layer III (mp3) codec?
[13:47] <eraserpencil> I need help booting to tty1. My dm messed up and I have no login page. My macbook pro now boots to mac by default instead of ubuntu
[13:47] <eraserpencil> ctrl alt F1 does not work
[13:52] <Silmarilion> eraserpencil, probably the bootloader got messed up. You cannot switch to tty if you are not already booted into linux
[13:52] <eraserpencil> playing with dm messes the bootloader?
[13:53] <eraserpencil> @silmarilion how might i be able to save the bootloader?
[13:54] <Silmarilion> eraserpencil, I would boot using the live cd and reinstall grub. Never used Mac so I do not know if you can achieve this from mac though
[13:55] <eraserpencil> how do i reinstall grub from a live cd?
[13:55] <cluelessperson> eraserpencil: goto advanced/expert install and go straight to grub rescue
[13:55] <cluelessperson> attempt to boot into the system, reinstall grub2 from there
[13:59] <philllip> hey, I use Ubuntu 18.04 and have the problem that after trying to login with wayland for the first time, I can no loger login at all it just shows me the mouse and the background but no GUI what to do?
[14:00] <crmlt> How can I start KDE as wayland session?
[14:04] <sh0t> hi guys: how do i print one page per sheet of a pdf using lp?
[14:04] <sh0t> if i just use lp with no flags i get 2 pages per sheet...back and front
[14:04] <dmitru> hello, tell me pozhlista where you can quickly sell the program for Linux for 1/5 of the price?
[14:04] <philllip> hmm okay after booting with recovery it works strange :/
[14:05] <eraserpencil> what is the expert install?
[14:05] <eraserpencil> is grub install something to save me?
[14:06] <eraserpencil> should I grub-install into /lv-home partition or /lv-root partition
[14:06] <SlidingHorn> sh0t: lp -o sides=one-sided filename
[14:06] <sh0t> thanks SlidingHorn
[14:07] <dmitru> hello, tell me where please you can quickly sell the program for Linux - 1/5 of the price?
[14:08] <MonkeyDust> dmitru  how is your question ubuntu related?
[14:08] <MonkeyDust> dmitru  if you want to discuss a commercial linux, this is not the right channel
[14:09] <Jon_> Hey all, any recommendations on handling UHD screens on Ubuntu? Integer scaling just isn't specific enough
 I thought maybe ubuntu has such an auction program
[14:11] <leftyfb> dmitru: Ubuntu is free. Go download it: ubuntu.com/download
[14:13] <longword> There's no paid app store platform that I'm aware of, if that's what you're looking for
[14:13] <leftyfb> some of the apps have a cost associated
[14:18] <MonkeyDust> !gnu | dmitru
[14:20] <eraserpencil> I have a macbook with dual boot (ubuntu and macOS). my ubuntu install is with LLVM. I suspect grub is faulty because I boot into absolute blackness. do i grub-install into /dev/sdX or /dev/mapper/vg/lv-root?
[14:27] <talmid> how can I run an lxc container on an nfs share? what permission does the share need and what ownership?
[14:28] <talmid> I would like to run two identical containers on two different servers for failover
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> talmid: You wouldn't be trying to share the same LXC instance between the two servers?
[14:29] <MonkeyDust> talmid  there's also #lxcontainers
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> talmid: A quick search of the internet does not recommend trying to run LXC containers using NFS shares. LXC requires block level access to the disk, which NFS does not support
[14:30] <talmid> thank you!
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> talmid: Recommended alternatives are iSCSI or AoE
[14:30] <longword> If you're feeling brave/stupid you can losetup a block device from an appropriately large file on NFS
[14:32] <eraserpencil> how do i run grub-install on an LVM partition?
[14:32] <talmid> yes, thank you, other option is iSCSI or BTRFS snapshots syncing
[14:32] <eraserpencil> from a live cd
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: is grub currently broken? or missing?
[14:35] <cluelessperson> I'm coming up blank. :/
[14:35] <cluelessperson> restarting uubntu
[14:36] <eraserpencil> I'm not sure, I boot into darkness with no gui or CLI. I was messing around with display managers before the reboot
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> cluelessperson: Please be more specific with you question. What may appear to make sense to you, may not make sense to others. Please add as many details about what is happening, including which version of Ubuntu you are running. Post as much as you can on a single line to make it easy for someone to read the entire problem.
[14:37] <eraserpencil> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing dosent really detail solutions for LVM ubuntu partitions
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: I don't believe you have an issue with grub, if you did, you would see an error message about no Operating system found
[14:38] <eraserpencil> oh ok, someone mentioned i might have a grub issue just before you came on
[14:39] <dman777> I noticed that there is no tiger vnc viewer for Xenial but there is a normal vncviewer. Does tigerVNC  make it's own vnc viewer?
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> dman777: can you define "normal vncviewer" ??
[14:40] <dman777> non tiger vnc viewer
[14:41] <eseifert> eraserpencil: can you try switching virtual consoles? Alt+F1 or F2 etc.. ?
[14:41] <Sven_vB> dman777, lots of vendors make their own VNC viewer with some custom features. I once forked remmina to make it translate the clipboard charset when copying from/to windows boxen.
[14:41] <Sven_vB> dman777, oftentimes they're mostrly compatible
[14:41] <eraserpencil> i cant boot to tty1
[14:41] <dman777> Sven_vB: ok, thanks
[14:42] <dman777> Sven_vB: any ideas how I can get tiger vnc viewer for Xenial?
[14:42] <Sven_vB> dman777, nope. is there a download for it?
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> dman777: One may have already been installed... check for Remote Desktop in your applications
[14:43] <dman777> Sven_vB: there is a tigervnc-viewer package in newer versions of Ubuntu but not for Xenial
[14:43] <dman777> Sven_vB: and I can only find the server version on git
[14:43] <Sven_vB> dman777, you could download the newer package's .deb and try to install it anyway
[14:43] <dman777> Sven_vB: ah...ok. thanks
[14:44] <Sven_vB> oh! I just learned it's the successor of TightVNC. I liked TightVNC a lot :)
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> TightVNC is still actively developed Sven_vB
[14:44] <john__> hello there
[14:44] <platzhirsch> When they said Ubuntu 18.04 comes with native emoji support I assumed that the unicode characters of the font in my browser are replaced with images, that's not the case. Did I misunderstood the feature?
[14:44] <eraserpencil> at boot I just auto boot into macOS now
[14:44] <platzhirsch> i.e. these here https://emojipedia.org/people/
[14:45] <john__> Is ubuntu 18 heavier than the previous? ive experienced fresh install stuck very often
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> john__: Please remember to be specific about the version number for Ubuntu, there is no Ubuntu 18
[14:45] <platzhirsch> looks like I need to configure that myself
[14:46] <Sven_vB> platzhirsch, "native" to me sounds more like it's about message boxes, menu entries and maybe your shell.
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> platzhirsch: Which browser are you using?
[14:46] <platzhirsch> pragmaticenigma: Chrome
[14:46] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: to be fair, there's really only 1 18.X at the moment :)
[14:46] <platzhirsch> Sven_vB: true, that wasn't a great word choice
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: practice makes perfect :-)
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> platzhirsch: It's possible the browser is reading it's own font tables and not the ones provided by the OS. Have you tried using an emoji inside of gedit or any other text program?
[14:48] <Sven_vB> platzhirsch, on another note, some day Firefox on Xenial started displaying colored emoji icons for Unicode points which no available font had in it. once I installed appropriate fonts, it displayed them as characters in text color.
[14:48] <eraserpencil> is it possible to try installing a dm into an installed system from a LiveCD? else I might just delete and install fresh
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> john__: If you are looking for lighter weight versions of Ubuntu, check out Xubuntu and Lubuntu. They both feature lightweight desktop managers
[14:49] <platzhirsch> pragmaticenigma: it works in gedit
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: The Live CD is mostly meant for installs, and some limited recovery operations. It really can't install software into an existing installation.
[14:49] <Sven_vB> eraserpencil, you can install almost anything into an installed system by chrooting into it
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> platzhirsch: It sounds like the feature is working, just Chrome isn't aware of the OS capabilities and using it's own font tables to render with.
[14:50] <Sven_vB> eraserpencil, is yours one of those cases where people think they wouldn't need SSH login to their "just a desktop"? ;)
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: also, I don't think that going to solve your issue. I'm still trying to figure out what might cause the behavior. There are plenty of avenues to check out
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Might help to check out eraserpencil's inquiry. They are getting a blank screen on boot
[14:51] <axisys> anyone here know how to make Middle Click Paste to work? Posted this question in #gnome as well as ubuntu-users and gnome-list mailing list
[14:51] <axisys> it used to work until I upgraded to ubuntu 18.04
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: This help article will get you going: https://askubuntu.com/a/974382
[14:52] <Sven_vB> platzhirsch, be aware that w/o precautions, websites can detect how font is rendered in your browser. the more OS features you use for font rendering, the more info about your OS are leaked to strangers out there, identifying you as a recurring visitor and sometimes also identifying security vulnerabilities.
[14:52] <eraserpencil> my computer aint connected to the network..nmap returns ntg
[14:53] <dman777> Sven_vB: I downloaded the version for artful to install on Xenial. when using dpkg I got dependency problems - leaving unconfigured. Does this means Xenial libraries are not up to date enough to run tiger vnc viewer?
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> dman777: If you're still looking for tiger vnc in Ubuntu 16.04... it's not labeled tigervnc, but is vnc4*
[14:53] <dman777> pragmaticenigma: ah...ok. thanks
[14:53] <axisys> pragmaticenigma: I have done that.. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-May/293939.html
[14:54] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, thanks, seems I missed that message
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: no worries, just want to avoid too many rabbit runs
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: Please note that the community frowns on crossposting for support. You have a support inquiry already out and if no one has responded, it's becuase no one has found an answer yet/
[14:55] <Sven_vB> dman777, depends on the exact type of dependency problem. you might be able to assist dpkg in solving them.
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: I think if dman777 installs the vnc4server package, it includes the viewer... but I'm not sure
[14:56] <dman777> it's cool...I found I can run the stand alone package from the tigerVNC website
[14:56] <Sven_vB> grats :)
[14:57] <dman777> thanks for the help :)
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: prior to the inability to boot, what were you attempting to do with the desktop managers?
[14:58] <eraserpencil> switch from lightdm to sddm for kubuntu
[15:03] <eraserpencil> gonna try chroot method
[15:03] <xirg> hello all
[15:05] <skweek> so if I click on a window and get a context window that pop's up offscreen, is this a problem somewhere I can track down?
[15:05] <skweek> it must be, but I keep dismissing it as 'i'll deal with it later'
[15:08] <Sven_vB> skweek, what's a context window?
[15:09] <Sven_vB> skweek, might it be a popup menu?
[15:09] <Sven_vB> skweek, also check with a screenshot whether you and your Ubuntu have the same idea about what "offscreen" means
[15:11] <Sven_vB> eraserpencil, consider SSH instead
[15:12] <Sven_vB> eraserpencil, except if with no network you meant actually no LAN
[15:12] <dman777> trying to install remina on Xenial with apt-get but it is complaining about dependencies also. Is there a way I can have it just install the dependencies autommatically?
[15:13] <Sven_vB> dman777, usually apt-get is one of the best ways to install deps automatically.
[15:13] <Sven_vB> dman777, if apt can't figure it out, you'll probably have a hard time
[15:13] <EriC^^> dman777: i thought remmina was installed by default
[15:13] <MonkeyDust> dman777  I picked this up in this channel ... save it as 'fixpackages' ... make executable with 'chmod +x fixpackages' ... then run it with './fixpackages' ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/15121279/
[15:14] <EriC^^> what's apt-get -f install do
[15:14] <skweek> right ofcourse Sven_vB (I was working on something complicated) is tinypic an okay host to use?
[15:15] <skweek> http://i66.tinypic.com/2nq5y1e.png there's a click and then a window appears offscreen here
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: At this point, I'd recommend just reinstalling. Generally, it's not recommended to change the login manager, as they are deeply embedded. Also, they are all lightweight and operate independed of the desktop manager you log into
[15:15] <Sven_vB> skweek, I think it is. however, I didn't mean to share the screenshot, just check whether the screenshot shows things that you can't see on your screen.
[15:17] <Sven_vB> skweek, that looks like a toolbar window (partially) on the same screen and you probably want to move the window. as long as you can still grab it, check your window manager config for which key makes mouse drag move windows, then hold that key and drag the window.
[15:18] <dman777> EriC^^: no, I installed the minimal ubuntu xenial
[15:18] <Sven_vB> skweek, in cases where the window fully leaves your screen area, there are command line tools to find and move them.
[15:20] <skweek> so shouldn't the toolbar context window pop-up re-positioned so it's on the screen instead of partially on the screen. Like clicking on the button would make the window show up more to the left than to the right
[15:20] <dman777> ugh... I can not even install apt-get-repository  because of missing dependencies
[15:20] <dman777> there's no way to have dependencies install automatically?
[15:21] <ioria> dman777, i think you did something weird manually installing a not supported .deb package and broke apt
[15:21] <dman777> ioria: it never installed
[15:21] <Sven_vB> skweek, whether it "should" is a user preference. there's a lot of cases where I like to have windows beyond the edge of my screen, usually to mitigate bad user interfaces.
[15:21] <ioria> dman777,  dpkg -l | grep tiger
[15:22] <dman777> ioria: oh...I see
[15:22] <Sven_vB> skweek, however, a good window manager should offer you an easy way to search and bring back gone-astray windows.
[15:22] <ioria> dman777,  as a rule, we need to see what you see ...
[15:23] <Sven_vB> skweek, there's also lots of window managers that allow to configure extensive rules about how to enforce your ideas of where which kinds of windows are allowed to place themselves.
[15:24] <skweek> Ya, I guess you're suggestion (move the window) was the best solution. :-)
[15:24] <dman777> ioria: uninstalling fixed it...thanks!
[15:24] <ioria> dman777,  good
[15:24] <dman777> whew
[15:25] <texla> Ubuntu 16.04 my booting has started taking a long period of time..Is there anything I can check
[15:26] <MonkeyDust> texla  in a terminal, type   systemd-analyze
[15:27] <nugroho> Ubuntu 5.10
[15:28] <leftyfb> nugroho: can we help you with something?
[15:28] <MonkeyDust> texla  type   systemd-analyze blame
[15:28] <texla> MonkeyDust, Startup finished in 8.709s (kernel) + 3min 2.524s (userspace) = 3min 11.233s
[15:29] <nugroho> busybox error mount root partition in flash disk (/dev/sda1)
[15:29] <ioria> texla, run the second cmd MonkeyDust gave you
[15:30] <leftyfb> nugroho: what version of ubuntu?
[15:30] <texla> ioria, https://pastebin.com/59kP6gSH
[15:30] <mjrosenb> ok, I figured out what the issue that I saw last night was!
[15:30] <nugroho> breezy badger, ubuntu 5.10 (october 2005)
[15:31] <leftyfb> nugroho: trolling is offtopic
[15:31] <mjrosenb> something core in gnome (I believe the deamon that 'finds' the mouse pointer when you hit control) had grabbed the mouse, then never released it.  For some reason, this also prevented alt-f2 from working, as well as *all* menus
[15:32] <mjrosenb> after I killed the process that had grabbed the mouse, everything *mostly* went back to normal.
[15:32] <ioria> texla, atm , i can only think to short the timeout or disable that service (for a try)
[15:32] <go> hii
[15:32] <ioria> texla, sudo systemctl stop NetworkManager-wait-online.service  && sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager-wait-online.service     and reboot
[15:33] <xirg> I have sendmail and postfix configured to send email using a gmail account.  I can successfully send email using the sendmail command from bash.  I need help configuring this web app (firefly-iii) to send mail using sendmail.  I have edited the config file but it's still not sending and I can't find any errors in the logs. ### FILES ###
[15:33] <Sven_vB> nugroho, try upgrading to a Ubuntu that's still supported
[15:33] <xirg> it wont let me post the links
[15:33] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: they're clearly trolling
[15:33] <xirg> ./etc/postfix/main.cf | https://pastebin.com/nWxfimTf
[15:34] <xirg> ./etc/postfix/main.cf | https://pastebin.com/nWxfimTf
[15:34] <xirg> ./etc/postfix/virtual | https://pastebin.com/Db0H02v9 ###
[15:34] <xirg> ./var/www/firefly-iii/conf/mail.php | https://pastebin.com/d8uccFA2 ###
[15:34] <leftyfb> !paste | xirg
[15:34] <mjrosenb> I'd like to debug this a bit in order to get the issue fixed more permanently.  I guess I should go to the gnome irc channel for that?
[15:34] <leftyfb> xirg: that could be a single pastebin
[15:35] <xirg> thanks leftyfb
[15:35] <leftyfb> xirg: you'll have to contact firefly-iii for support
[15:35] <texla> ioria, Removed symlink /etc/systemd/system/network-online.target.wants/NetworkManager-wait-online.service.
[15:35] <texla> Will now reboot
[15:36] <ioria> ok
[15:36] <xirg> leftyfb, oh ok, i will contact him
[15:36] <Sven_vB> mjrosenb, I had something similar the other day. luckily I was able to use a text console to kill it.
[15:36] <xirg> it's just one guy though and he doesn't seem to be very dedicated to support haha
[15:36] <xirg> I have contacted him for another issue which I ended up solving myself
[15:36] <skweek> There's another window manager problem I think that indicates something with my configuration is amiss. http://i65.tinypic.com/25q3sqt.png
[15:37] <leftyfb> xirg: maybe use something else then. Also, if you're using gmail for email, why not just use gmail.com?
[15:37] <xirg> because the app needs to send email, and gmail.com is not supported
[15:38] <mjrosenb> Sven_vB: how did you know what to kill? (it took me like 3 hours to track it down; I'll be able to find it easier next time, but my god that was not easy)
[15:38] <xirg> for resetting passwords & things like that
[15:41] <texla> ioria, Still as slow after reboot
[15:41] <Sven_vB> mjrosenb, at the same time my hotkeys and mouse buttons became unresponsive, a dead combo box suggestion list had appeared, so I killed the process that seemed most likely to offer that kind of combo box. (don't remember the details though)
[15:41] <eraserpencil> im back!
[15:41] <ioria> texla, paste again sudo systemd-analyze blame
[15:42] <SlidingHorn> xirg: unfortunately it's not really something we can help with.  Like leftyfb said, if the developer isn't responsive to support requests (which I don't see any about this issue in their github), you might be better off using another application
[15:42] <xirg> I've researched other applications and this one has features that I need.
[15:42] <xirg> I'll figure it out :D
[15:43] <eraserpencil> where do dm get's installed to?
[15:43] <dghu> ..
[15:43] <ankinorun> here i am again, after a reboot my fixed anki wont work again. https://pastebin.com/8bgUfbKa
[15:43] <nacc> eraserpencil: dm get?
[15:43] <SlidingHorn> eraserpencil: what exactly are you trying to figure out (i.e. what's your next question, and what DM are you trying to fix?)
[15:44] <texla> ioria, https://pastebin.com/hHFTGpAJ
[15:45] <MonkeyDust> texla  https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> texla  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M6N88psJPr/
[15:47] <mjrosenb> Sven_vB: ahh, yeah, that's a pretty good indicator.
[15:48] <ioria> texla, and what you have on sda1 ? root or efi/boot ?
[15:48] <SlidingHorn> MonkeyDust: prelink isn't really necessary anymore, if I remember correctly...
[15:49] <R13ose> ktraderclientrc not writeable.  What do I do about this?
[15:50] <eraserpencil> so Sven_vB and pragmaticenigma was helping me earlier. I was trying out a sddm for the first time and when I rebooted, I didnt have a login screen, no gui, no CLI. I am trying to troubleshoot why. Usually I'd boot  onto Ubuntu, but now it boots into my second partition (macOS). I'm on a live ubuntu usb now trying to troubleshoot 1) why am i booting into macOS.. is grub spoilt? 2) if I have any display managers at all
[15:51] <texla> MonkeyDust, https://pastebin.com/c6Gg3TJH/?e=1
[15:51] <eraserpencil> from the live USB, I mounted the partition and everything is intact
[15:51] <texla> ioria, root boot
[15:52] <ioria> texla,  lsblk, please
[15:52] <GodOfSea> Hey
[15:53] <GodOfSea> How many ppl here are using Ubuntu 18.04 ?
[15:53] <Claire235> me!
[15:53] <Claire235> lols
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: I think the easiest solution is to backup your data, and reinstall... I'm not familiar enough with grub or what might be the issue. Typically, it's not a good idea to switch login managers as they're embedded pretty deep. The login manager operates independent of the Desktop manager, there isn't much benefit to switching
[15:53] <Claire235>  desktop & server
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> Claire235: Do you have an Ubuntu Support question?
[15:54] <ssarah> whats the equivalent in snap of dist-upgrade ?
[15:54] <nacc> ssarah: there isn't
[15:54] <Claire235> pragmaticenigma nope.... here to learn/help as needed
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> ssarah: snap refresh
[15:54] <kostkon> ssarah, snap refresh for all snaps or snap refresh <snap name>
[15:54] <nacc> ssarah: you can refresh each intalled snap manually; but they also autorefresh
[15:55] <nacc> kostkon: did they fix that, then? it used to be, iirc, with no parameters, refresh did nothing :)
[15:56] <nacc> GodOfSea: not a polling channel, please stick to support topics
[15:56] <eraserpencil> thanks pragmaticenigma. I have two partitions, both on in an LVM physical volume. Is it okay to just dd the /lv-home onto another disk?
[15:56] <kostkon> nacc, hmm i think it works now
[15:56] <GodOfSea> Yeah forgot this is irc , ppl aint jolly here
[15:57] <ssarah> I'm jolly, GodOfSea!
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: I would just back up your files that you actually need. beyond that, no I don't think it is necassary to dd the volumn
[15:57]  * ssarah dances
[15:57] <GodOfSea> How do I install amd control panel in ubuntu 18.04
[15:57] <MonkeyDust> GodOfSea  this is ubuntu support, not a jolly nice channel
[15:57] <leftyfb> GodOfSea: this is a support channel. You can go to #ubuntu-offtopic to chat
[15:57] <GodOfSea> Glad to meet you ssarah :P
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> !info amdgpu
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> !info amdgpu-pro
[16:00] <GodOfSea> :(
[16:00] <MonkeyDust> !find amdgpu
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> !amd | GodOfSea
[16:01] <GodOfSea> Thank You pragmaticenigma
[16:02] <Sven_vB> eraserpencil, if you really want to debug your DM/WM, you need live SSH. it's just too slow to reboot for each query you'd need.
[16:02] <texla> MonkeyDust, Reading package lists... Done
[16:02] <texla> Building dependency tree
[16:02] <texla> Reading state information... Done
[16:02] <texla> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[16:02] <texla>   linux-headers-4.4.0-121 linux-headers-4.4.0-121-generic
[16:02] <texla>   linux-image-4.4.0-121-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-121-generic
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Isn't it possible to test with restarting the service?
[16:02] <SlidingHorn> !paste | texla
[16:03] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, not if it's still the earlier scenario of no visible output :)
[16:03] <`whoami`> !screenshots
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: true... so true
[16:04] <texla> ioria, https://pastebin.com/wu1eag6R
[16:05] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, also if some one is debugging their DM/WM, I assume the DM/WM to be unreliable, so they'd need SSH as a backup anyway.
[16:05] <dxc> Howdy folks! I'm in need of some tech support: I'm trying to mount a share on my synology diskstation to my ubuntu 18.04 server via NFS. I've got it mounted, and I can see files/directories. When I try to create a test file in say, nano, I get the message [ Directory '.' is not writable ], however, if I do it in a subdirectory, it (seemingly) works fine.
[16:05] <Sven_vB> or establish some other console access, e.g. serial
[16:06] <SlidingHorn> dxc: cd .. && ls -ln | pastebinit
[16:06] <dxc> ok
[16:06] <dxc> 1sec
[16:07] <ioria> texla,  lsblk
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: I agree on the SSH part, just thought they wouldn't need to reboot if they restart the service, but I see your point
[16:08] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, oh, of course not. with reboots I meant changing betweeb live USB and installed system.
[16:08] <dxc> SlidingHorn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qZhTVgx9Bm/
[16:10] <SlidingHorn> dxc: I'm sorry...can you do that with "-l" instead of "-ln"?  (also, what's the user you're logged in as?)
[16:10] <dxc> daniel
[16:10] <dxc> 1sec I'll redo it
[16:10] <dxc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jqtKMhfhtd/ SlidingHorn
[16:11] <texla> ioria, https://pastebin.com/zydkZ5x8
[16:11] <SlidingHorn> dxc: which directory are you trying to write to?
[16:11] <dxc> the root of the mountpoint
[16:11] <dxc> /home/daniel/sion
[16:12] <dxc> if I cd to /home/daniel/sion/videos and try to write there, I don't get that message
[16:13] <SlidingHorn> dxc: okay, let's do an     ls -l    inside the sion directory
[16:13] <dxc> and pastebin it? 1sec
[16:13] <nacc> dxc: and what are your mount options? for nfs
[16:13] <SlidingHorn> dxc: yes please
[16:13] <dxc> nacc 1 sec
[16:14] <dxc> SlidingHorn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7359dF27tr/
[16:14] <ioria> texla,  well, my root takes 14.400s to mount ... yours 7.818s
[16:14] <Claire235> SlidingHorn do you ever sleep?
[16:14] <dxc> nacc I don't have any set (yet) I just mounted it without adding it to fstab, I've been poking at it for a while, when I *did* have it in fstab I had defaults,rw as the options, IIRC
[16:15] <dxc> https://blog.whabash.com/posts/mounting_synology_nas_shared_folder_nfs_ubuntu_16_10 I'm following this guide, ftr
[16:19] <eraserpencil> i have formatted a drive using gdisk. It's now formatted to Linux Filesystem, Code 8300. When I try to mount it, I get "dosent seem to have a valid NTFS"
[16:19] <nacc> dxc: you can use /proc/mounts to see how it's mounted
[16:19] <texla> ioria, Well I don't know about my time but it was quicker a week ago...thanks for the help!!
[16:20] <dxc> nacc - ah I see
[16:20] <dxc> nacc https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9CWThxS69w/
[16:20] <ioria> texla,  apparmor lokks a bit slow ...
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: this is on a mac?
[16:25] <eraserpencil> i decided to use the disk utility on the live cd to reformat the disk rather than via a command line and it work snow
[16:28] <nacc> dxc: SlidingHorn: I think you should be able to see why it's giving an error on the server logs
[16:28] <nacc> I wonder if the UID is mismapping, or something
[16:28] <dxc> Its a synology, so there's not really much to go on
[16:28] <dxc> I'll look though
[16:28] <nacc> dxc: ok
[16:29] <theseb> help! how fix perms of mounted USB thumb drive?  I can't write to it or change ownsership of files
[16:30] <nacc> theseb: is it mounted rw?
[16:30] <theseb> nacc: i don't know...i didn't see rw in the fstab line...and when i tried adding it it crashed...should i try again?
[16:30] <nacc> theseb: what crashed?
[16:30] <theseb> nacc: in fstab... /dev/sdb1 /usb_drive auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
[16:31] <theseb> nacc: usb drive
[16:31] <theseb> nacc: how tell if rw?
[16:31] <nacc> theseb: how does a 'usb drive' crash?
[16:31] <nacc> theseb: check /proc/mounts
[16:31] <theseb> nacc: well it was mounted still but the directory was empty
[16:32] <theseb> nacc: from proc/mounts.. /dev/sdb1 /usb_drive fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0
[16:32] <theseb> nacc: i see rw there
[16:32] <theseb> nacc: when i try to "touch" a new file on the thumb drive...
[16:32] <theseb> % touch test
[16:32] <theseb> touch: cannot touch 'test': Input/output error
[16:33] <dxc> nacc from what I can tell on the synology side, it should be set up properly. There's nothing in the Synology's (limited) logs that really sheds any info on it
[16:33] <nacc> theseb: why are you mounting a usb drive with fuseblk?
[16:33] <nacc> theseb: what is the actual filesystem?
[16:33] <theseb> nacc: it is a usb thumb drive which i think is fat32
[16:34] <theseb> nacc: the fstab entry was done for me from gparted or some other gui proggy i think
[16:34] <theseb> nacc: i'm happy to fix
[16:34] <nacc> theseb: i would think if it was fat32, you could use vfat, but ok
[16:34] <nacc> theseb: are you able to touch files as root?
[16:34] <theseb> nacc: fuseblk is for LVM right?
[16:34] <theseb> nacc: good question! checking...
[16:34] <nacc> theseb: is it possibly ntfs?
[16:34] <nacc> theseb: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1096841
[16:34] <theseb> nacc: root can't touch either
[16:35] <theseb> nacc: it might be ntfs yes
[16:35] <nacc> theseb: ok, the fuseblk is expected
[16:35] <nacc> theseb: anything in dmesg?
[16:35] <theseb> nacc: iirc only ntfs can handle big files...that makes people reformat as ntfs..i may have done that here
[16:36] <theseb> [ 3593.929113] blk_partition_remap: fail for partition 1
[16:36] <theseb> [ 3593.929116] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb1, logical block 832, async page read
[16:36] <theseb>  
[16:36] <nacc> theseb: you mean on windows?
[16:36] <theseb> nacc: lot of stuff like that
[16:36] <nacc> theseb: that implies a hardware issue
[16:36] <theseb> nacc: i'm on Windows running Ubuntu in a Virtualbox vm
[16:37] <theseb> [ 1098.734337] blk_partition_remap: fail for partition 1
[16:37] <nacc> theseb: if it's a VM, I would assume you could just pass the host directory into the VM
[16:37] <nacc> theseb: rather than passing the device in
[16:38] <dxc> nacc - I'm gonna wait until you're done helping theseb, so you don't have to worry about both of our issues at the same time
[16:38] <theseb> nacc: maybe i should just reformat the drive in ubuntu?
[16:38] <nacc> dxc: it's ok, i'm about go afk anyways :) hopefully someone can help
[16:38] <nacc> theseb: sure, if you only need it in ubuntu
[16:38] <theseb> nacc: are you saying i can just share the drive between windows and linux?
[16:39] <dxc> but nacc, I thought we were friends! :P
[16:39] <nacc> theseb: i would think that would be the case, but i've never used virtualbox
[16:39] <nacc> theseb: sharing directories between a host and VM is pretty basic
[16:39] <theseb> nacc: is that better than mounting the usb drive like i'm trying to do?
[16:39] <omarp> Hi all, could someone help me with the following issue?: brightness, volume controls, and touchpad in not working anymore, Im using ubuntu 18.04. Any advice?
[16:40] <theseb> nacc: anywyas...thanks for trying
[16:40] <theseb> i appreciate it
[16:40] <nacc> theseb: i mean, I guess in my mind dealing with NTFS in Linux is not a good choice
[16:40] <theseb> yea
[16:40] <theseb> nacc: thanks again
[16:42] <omarp> nacc: help please..
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | omarp
[16:43] <arooni> when is the typical point release for say 18.04 ?
[16:43] <arooni> 3 months from now?
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> arooni  july 26th
[16:43] <arooni> cool; i'll upgrade then
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> !ltsupdate
[16:44] <nacc> arooni: are you on 16.04 now?
[16:44] <arooni> yap
[16:44] <nacc> arooni: it won't be offered to you until 18.04.1 anyways
[16:44] <nacc> unless you tweak defaults
[16:44] <arooni> great minds think alike :P
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> arooni  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> !ltsupgrade | arooni
[16:45] <happyfr0gg> If I install debian package repos in ubuntu, will they install and run without errors?
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> happyfr0gg: it is not support or recommended
[16:45] <nacc> happyfr0gg: not a supported thing, totally on your own
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> happyfr0gg: it is not supported or recommended
[16:47] <MonkeyDust> happyfr0gg  backup and use apt-clone to backup first, then try what you just asked
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> MonkeyDust: It is preferred that you don't recommend or encourage actions that will set a person's computer into an unsupported state. Even with the advice of backing up
[16:48] <lapaga> is there a program to slow down the video card fan speed? fglrx worked perfect radeon it is very fast?
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> lapaga: Suggestion is to clean the dust out of your graphics card. Fan speeds are set to prevent the card from overheating and damaging itself
[16:53] <lapaga> pragmaticenigma, its been like that since flgrx got switched out just have never asked anyone before
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> lapaga: you could try the pro drivers, I don't know if anything is available otherwise
[16:55] <lapaga> pragmaticenigma, i have a card not supported by pro amd hd 6770
[16:56] <chak> I need to install an .iso to my usb and everythign is broken. No unetbootin. I added it but it doesn't work.  Gparted doesn't work,  The disk install won't let me install anything that isn't ubuntu (useless)  anyone have instructions I can just copy the iso over terminal?
[16:56] <lapaga> guess there is always earplugs
[16:58] <chak> 18.04 is great but nothing works :(
[17:00] <chak> except bluetooth which is what I needed...argh
[17:02] <BaKKaR> Hello everyone, can I ask here a question if i am using an Ubuntu Drivative like Budgie?
[17:03] <happyfr0gg> Is there a smaller buuild of ubuntu? Like with only a Cli
[17:03] <BaKKaR> I want to ask about Bluetooth settings, so it is not about the distro\
[17:03] <happyfr0gg> ?
[17:03] <BaKKaR> happyfr0gg, I think so
[17:03] <BaKKaR> happyfr0gg, I used to hear people recommending Ubuntu server minimal install and it will come barebone
[17:04] <Claire235> happyfrog ubuntu server
[17:04] <BaKKaR> Can I know please how to tell if the Bluetooth is working on my Distro, the GUI is ON but i cannot find it in my devices list when i check on my Phone's Devices
[17:04] <happyfr0gg> BaKKaR - I'm not looking for a server install. For a desktop.
[17:04] <nacc> chak: what? unetbootin? you said a bunch of stuff that seems self-contradictory. You have an ISO file (Ubuntu?) and a USB driver and want to put the ISO on the USB so that you can boot it?
[17:05] <nacc> happyfr0gg: you want a cli-only but on a desktop?
[17:05] <happyfr0gg> yes.
[17:05] <nacc> happyfr0gg: that's server, basically. Server and desktop are the same, just different default packages.
[17:05] <chak> yes, It isn't ubuntu it's something else nacc
[17:05] <nacc> chak: use dd
[17:05] <nacc> chak: are you running Ubuntu?
[17:05] <chak> I am, 18.04
[17:05] <nacc> BaKKaR: are you on Ubuntu?
[17:05] <happyfr0gg> I have an old laptop so I need as slim a system I can get.
[17:06] <nacc> chak: ok, use dd
[17:06] <BaKKaR> nacc, i am using Ubuntu-Budie
[17:06] <BaKKaR> *Budgie
[17:06] <chak> I'm attempting to use dd, do you have a guide?  My brain dmage lost a lot of my terminal useage knowledge so I need to learn it again
[17:06] <nacc> chak: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/path/to/usb bs=1M (or whatever bs you find appropriate)
[17:07] <nacc> BaKKaR: ok, i don't know budgie's GUI, but i assume you can find settings and see if there is a bluetooth entry
[17:07] <happyfr0gg> nacc - if I install the bare bone ubuntu server forfeit the server packages and only opt for the desktop packages will the latter work?
[17:07] <chak> I was in a bicycle accident, car hit me from ehind and I hit my head on the ground.  Words are my most difficult and you might not notice it because I have healed excellently.  Thank you for your help nacc
[17:07] <nacc> happyfr0gg: i don't think you know what you are saying :)
[17:08] <nacc> happyfr0gg: 'forfeit' packages doesn't make sense
[17:08] <nacc> happyfr0gg: there aren't special server and desktop packages, there is just ubuntu
[17:08] <nacc> happyfr0gg: and if you install desktop on server, well, then just use desktop
[17:08] <nacc> chak: i'm sorry to hear that. You are welcome.
[17:08] <happyfr0gg> Not use the repos from the server install of ubuntu and only use the repos for the desktop install.
[17:09] <nacc> happyfr0gg: you are not listening
[17:09] <nacc> happyfr0gg: they are not different repos, or differnet packages
[17:09] <nacc> happyfr0gg: they just install different packages by default
[17:09] <BaKKaR> nacc, can i know from CLI if the bluetooth s working fine, as the GUI says the Bluetooth is ON, but i think it is not as i does not appear in my Phone's list and it is not detecting any bluetooth device
[17:09] <chak> No apologies, I am doing great.  Difficulty forgetting much of my computer useage is repairing but my life has gotten great.  I QUIT SMOKING CIGARETTES!! and other drugs...:P
[17:09] <nacc> chak: please stick to support topics here (even if we are happy for you :)
[17:10] <chak> Yeah I was explaining my difficulty with why I need what I need...a little bit off the path but close..
[17:10] <happyfr0gg> I can add repos from ubuntu desktop into the bare bones ubuntu server install.
[17:10] <chak> Again thank you kindly
[17:10] <nacc> happyfr0gg: you refuse to listen. good luck to you.
[17:10] <nacc> BaKKaR: uh, the cli is bluez-tools, i think
[17:11] <nacc> BaKKaR: there are a couple of other packages, you can do a `apt-cache search bluetooth` or so
[17:11] <chak> it seems to have worked...I'll be back if it didn't...time to reboot
[17:13] <BaKKaR> nacc, thank you
[17:13] <nacc> BaKKaR: yw, good luck; bluetooth can be a real pain. I will say my headset just worked with a new 18.04 standard install
[17:14] <dxc> nacc thanks for the help, I give up for now, I'll come back later or something
[17:16] <happyfr0gg> So the repo from ubntu desktop will not work with the minimal server install?
[17:16] <ioria> happyfr0gg, server is not minimal; server is server
[17:16] <nacc> happyfr0gg: read what I wrote.
[17:17] <Wonkite> Has anyone got sssd authenticating with active directory such that you  an login to a host viia ssh?
[17:17] <happyfr0gg> "ubuntu server minimal install".
[17:18] <nacc> happyfr0gg: there is a minimal install option now. There are not different repositories for desktop and server. There are *not*, to repeat. Installing desktop on server is nonsensical, unless you already have server; just install desktop.
[17:19] <happyfr0gg> Okay. Is there a ubuntu desktop minimal install?
[17:20] <nacc> happyfr0gg: no, because that doesn't make any sense
[17:20] <happyfr0gg> Let me Google that for myself. Be back in a second.
[17:20] <nacc> happyfr0gg: desktops aren't minimal
[17:20] <compdoc> happyfr0gg, yes
[17:21] <subd> what are back ports ?
[17:21] <compdoc> old programs made available
[17:21] <nacc> !backports | subd
[17:21] <nacc> compdoc: ... no
[17:22] <nacc> compdoc: *new* packages made available on older releases
[17:22] <cutesona> sudo apt-get install rtl-sdr  <— how can i delete it?
[17:22] <nacc> with less support than an SRU
[17:22] <nacc> cutesona: remove with: sudo apt-get remove rtl-sdl; purge (remove all traces of the package) with: sudo apt-get purge rtl-sdr
[17:23] <cutesona> which is good?
[17:24] <nacc> cutesona: it depends on what you want, if you don't need the package at all anymore, purge it (although you will lose any local configuration files then)
[17:24] <cutesona> nacc: thanks :)
[17:24] <nacc> cutesona: (hint, "good" is not a useful question in a support channel :)
[17:24] <cutesona> ah
[17:24] <cutesona> better?
[17:25] <nacc> cutesona: still not useful, as we don't know what you want to do. Pick objective terms :)
[17:25] <nacc> 'remove' and 'purge' are not better or worse than each other, they are different tools
[17:28] <MonkeyDust> i like to 'autoremove' after i removed a package
[17:29] <nacc> well, that's neither here nor there to the above
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> cutesona: using remove, only removes the application; using purge removes the application and it's configuration files. Depending on your end goal will determine which is appropriate for your needs.
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> MonkeyDust: I don't believe autoremove removes configuration files though
[17:30] <cutesona> thanks pragmaticenigma :)
[17:31] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: you would need to pass --purge, I believe
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> nacc: I didn't know about that, thanks for the tip
[17:31] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: at least for apt-get, i believe that flag makes all 'remove' operations to be purges
[17:35] <mattfly> hello, what is a tool or way to backup all my ubuntu ppas, keys packages so i can restore all my programs with apt on another ubuntu
[17:37] <mattfly> ive seen aptik but i want something that works on command line and aptik is giving a segfault ....
[17:37] <nacc> mattfly: apt-clone
[17:37] <mattfly> will that save save packages under ppas and restore the gpg keys and so on
[17:38] <nacc> mattfly: yes, I believe so.
[17:39] <mattfly> nice, what about something that would let me install everything again instead of saving all
[17:40] <mattfly> i mean i want to download the newest packages instead of forcing with old ones
[17:42] <nacc> mattfly: i don't know what you mean
[17:42] <nacc> mattfly: that sounds like what apt-get does alrady
[17:42] <mattfly> will this thing save all the packages of my system on a file or just tell which ones should be installed
[17:43] <nacc> mattfly: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/apt-clone.8.html
[17:45] <trypa> hello
[17:46] <mattfly> so it is putting everything on a file instead of creating a script to install everything
[17:46] <trypa> Having problems configuring i3 on ubuntu 16.04
[17:46] <nacc> mattfly: the tool is used to restore as well, from that same file
[17:48] <SlidingHorn> trypa: details please?  what are you trying to do, how are you trying to accomplish it, and what is actually happening instead?  (all on one line if possible please)  :)
[17:49] <timokoesters[m]> hi guys
[17:49] <SlidingHorn> timokoesters[m]: Hi :)  Have an ubuntu support question?
[17:50] <shab> SlidingHorn: /quite
[17:54] <Iarfhlaith> I remember it used to be possible to insert a CD with a newer version of Ubuntu and be prompted to upgrade. Now I have a USB stick but I am not prompted on 16.04. Also, in Software & Updates I can only add a CD/DVD as a source, not a USB stick. How can I do this upgrade from the desktop?
[17:57] <SlidingHorn> Iarfhlaith: At the risk of making assumptions, I'm guessing you're trying to upgrade to 18.04?  If so, that upgrade path isn't *officially* supported until the .1 release in July.
[17:57] <nacc> Iarfhlaith: you are on 16.04? no upgrade will be offered by default until 18.04.1 anyways
[17:58] <Iarfhlaith> nacc: I'm on 16.04, but I'm not talking about the offer of online upgrade. I'm talking about the offer when installation media are inserted.
[17:58] <nacc> Iarfhlaith: I've never seen such an offer, so I don't know
[17:58] <Iarfhlaith> nacc: maybe it's my imagination. Thank you.
[17:58] <Rajhyd> Hi
[17:58] <nacc> Iarfhlaith: it does seem possible, like the CD as a source, but I'm not sure
[17:59] <Rajhyd> hellp me on muy issue
[17:59] <Rajhyd> exports.c:1492:13: error: redefinition of 'ap_hack_apr_pool_abort_set'
[18:00] <Rajhyd> hello
[18:00] <Rajhyd> exports.c:1492:13: error: redefinition of 'ap_hack_apr_pool_abort_set'
[18:00] <Rajhyd> exports.c:1492:13: error: redefinition of 'ap_hack_apr_pool_abort_set'
[18:00] <Rajhyd> exports.c:1492:13: error: redefinition of 'ap_hack_apr_pool_abort_set'
[18:00] <matjam> Rajhyd: this isn't a support channel for code issues.
[18:00] <Rajhyd> exports.c:1492:13: error: redefinition of 'ap_hack_apr_pool_abort_set'
[18:00] <matjam> lol, tool.
[18:00] <nacc> and they left?
[18:01] <timokoesters[m]> test
[18:02] <matjam> timokoesters[m]: fail?
[18:05] <qwefytuiityty> don't forget that, many people use Linux on virtual machines, Host Windows (word - OS), and in guest Linux x11 draws in my opinion window's (word - not OS) better ( speed ).
[18:07] <dfrey> When I boot 16.04 into recovery mode and get a root shell, / is mounted read-only.  When I do the same in 18.04, / is mounted read-write.  How can I get / mounted read-only in 18.04?  I need it to be read-only so I can do zerofree /dev/sda2
[18:07] <matjam> use the remount option with mount
[18:08] <dfrey> matjam: you mean "mount -r -o remount /"
[18:08] <matjam> that will probably do it
[18:08] <dfrey> When I run that, I get "mount: /: mount point is busy"
[18:08] <matjam> with a ,ro
[18:09] <Iarfhlaith> What is the difference between the 'Upgrade' that happens via desktop (for point releases) and the upgrade offered when booting from a DVD/ISO? I remember last time I upgraded via DVD my apache server was gone at the end of the process. Is it completely destructive or just everything outside of ~ ?
[18:09] <matjam> oh, mount -no remount,ro /
[18:09] <matjam> you need the -n to stop it from trying to update /etc/mtab
[18:10] <dfrey> matjam: I still get the "mount point busy" error
[18:11] <matjam> its odd because recovery mode should give you a ro filesystem
[18:11] <qwefytuiityty> i do not use Ubuntu, i use Ubuntu-Mate, Fedora xfce for virtual machine Ubuntu slow.
[18:12] <qwefytuiityty> i do not use Ubuntu, i use Ubuntu-Mate, Fedora xfce. For virtual machine Ubuntu slow.
[18:12] <leftyfb> !repeat | qwefytuiityty
[18:12] <leftyfb> qwefytuiityty: You DO use ubuntu since Ubuntu mate is Ubuntu
[18:14] <superduperman> hey guys, can you help me? i just updated to kubuntu 18.04 (from 17.10) and sddm doesnt load the display (just a black cursor)
[18:14] <dfrey> matjam: yeah, I was surprised that it was mounted rw in recovery mode
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> Iarfhlaith: It's possible the DVD did not include the apache package, if the package is missing, it will be removed during the upgrade
[18:15] <Iarfhlaith> pragmaticenigma: what I mean is, I had a website running on an apache server and after the "upgrade", the website and server and config files were deleted.
[18:15] <matjam> dfrey: try using the device itself instead of /
[18:15] <Iarfhlaith> I spoke with an engineer at the time and they told me this was normal for upgrade via USB/DVD.
[18:15] <matjam> like mount -no remount,ro /dev/sda1 /
[18:16] <qwefytuiityty> wayland for guest os, for virtual machine not good idea.
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> Iarfhlaith: In general it is not recommended to use the DVD install disks for system upgrades. As was mentioned earlier, no one recalls that being an option. Upgrade should be done from the online offering
[18:16] <Iarfhlaith> pragmaticenigma: I'm speaking now of the upgrade offered when booting from the live DVD/USB.
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> Iarfhlaith: I understand
[18:17] <dfrey> matjam: that didn't make a difference
[18:17] <Iarfhlaith> The comment earlier was that nacc didn't remember being offered upgrade on the desktop on media insertion.
[18:17] <matjam> depending on what options you pick later on, it could blow away your root partition.
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> Iarfhlaith: DVD installation media is not recommended for upgrades, since it doesn't not contain a complete set of packages. If there is no upgraded package on the DVD, the configuration found on the old system will be wiped out.
[18:17] <matjam> dfrey: got a usb stick you can boot off? :-)
[18:17] <qwefytuiityty> if cpu xeon 12- 16 core wayland norm.
[18:18] <Iarfhlaith> pragmaticenigma: Okay, thanks, I'll organise internet connection and do an online upgrade.
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: Do you have a support question? If so please ask it, in a complete sentence, with as many details as you can, all on one line.
[18:19] <matjam> I feel like english isn't his first language and maybe he's using google translate and we're getting lost in translation.
[18:20] <matjam> qwefytuiityty: what is your native language?
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> !ru | qwefytuiityty
[18:21] <matjam> pragmaticenigma: good call
[18:21] <qwefytuiityty> i know ubuntu - mate = ubuntu = debian, but Ubuntu-Mate no wayland for drawing window's
[18:22] <Fe11_> morning all
[18:22] <matjam> morning Fe11_
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: The desktop manager for Ubuntu-MATE does not support Wayland
[18:23] <leftyfb> !ru | qwefytuiityty
[18:24] <qwefytuiityty> if me need ubuntu-ru, i write on ubuntu-ru, not ubuntu
[18:25] <dfrey> I just noticed another thing.  When I am in the recovery menu, it says "Recovery Menu (filesystem state: read-only)",
[18:25] <matjam> dfrey: yeah as it should I think
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: We are attempting to offer you another option for support, were there may be people who speak your native language. We are not forcing you to go there. But we are having difficulty understanding what you are saying here.
[18:27] <Iarfhlaith> I'm off. Thanks again nacc & pragmaticenigma.
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: to repeat the answer to your qyestion earlier: The desktop manager for Ubuntu-MATE does not support Wayland
[18:36] <mikeymop> https://hastebin.com/civobadubi.pl
[18:36] <mikeymop> 0.0
[18:37] <iodev> ahh, perl, ureadahead :D
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> mikeymop: Do you have a question?
[18:39] <qwefytuiityty> as far as I know, the next release of Ubuntu ( next year ) will be with wayland or am I have wrong info?
[18:41] <matjam> you're trying to install an ARM64 package on an intel/amd machine. Thats not going to work.
[18:41] <matjam> mikeymop: ^
[18:41] <Claire235> lols
[18:42] <qwefytuiityty> am I = I'm
[18:42] <ledeni> qwefytuiityty, already 18.04 ubuntu got option for wayland
[18:44] <qwefytuiityty> 18.04 no but 19.04 have )))
[18:46] <Claire235> qwefytuiityty 18.10?
[18:47] <superduperman> hey! kubuntu sddm doesnt load after distro update to 18.04
[18:47] <guest-vacybw> yeeee
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: We don't know what the future releases of Ubuntu-MATE will support. That is up to the developers that maintain Ubuntu-MATE. As of today, the only information I have seen was some discussion that it might happen, but nothing confirms it.
[18:48] <guest-vacybw> hello
[18:48] <guest-vacybw> how are you
[18:48] <superduperman> it just says /dev/sda1 clean
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: and that discussion took place in 2016
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | guest-vacybw
[18:48] <superduperman> does anyone recognize this?
[18:48] <superduperman> what can i do?
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | superduperman
[18:49] <qwefytuiityty> wayland is scheduled for ubuntu in next year, maybe this 18.10
[18:49] <guest-vacybw> i'm sorry
[18:49] <superduperman> i'm sorry too
[18:49] <guest-vacybw> what do you do?
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> guest-vacybw: Do you have a support related question about Ubuntu?
[18:50] <guest-vacybw> i'm bored
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: Unless you can provide us with a link to where you found that information, we cannot trust that information as being official.
[18:50] <guest-vacybw> tu eres tonto o +
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> guest-vacybw: Please leave. This is not a chat channel
[18:51] <josean66> how come funcional ubuntu 18.0?
[18:51] <guest-vacybw> gilipolla
[18:51] <guest-vacybw> tio, tengo un problema con mis amigos, tenemos que salvar el mundo pero nadie nos cree
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | guest-vacybw
[18:52] <josean66> alguien sabe configurar vps para server?
[18:52] <guest-vacybw> sabes que soy un dios griego
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | guest-vacybw : foul-language
[18:52] <guest-vacybw> y mi amigo es thor
[18:52] <guest-vacybw> aunque sea nordico le queremos igual
[18:52] <guest-vacybw> hablar coño!
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | guest-vacybw
[18:53] <backnforth> Hi, how do I configure php-fpm for use with Ubuntu 18.04?
[18:54] <guest-0enjkc> asdas
[18:54] <guest-0enjkc> asdfasdf
[18:54] <guest-0enjkc> asdfasdf
[18:54] <guest-0enjkc> asdfasdf
[18:54] <ledeni> qwefytuiityty, again already 18.04 ubuntu got option gnome for wayland
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | again for guest-0enjkc , please ban ,
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> thank you Pici
[18:55] <Claire235> so... what di i miss
[18:55] <Pici> stuff, things
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> Claire235: as was mentioned before, this is not a chat channel. If you have a support related question, please ask. If you would like to offer help to others, please wait until someone asks a question you know the answer to
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> backnforth: We aren't able to help configure applications as what you need the application to do varies from user to user. If you have specific questions about options in the configuration, we can help with that
[18:58] <pragmaticenigma> ledeni: qwer was asking about Ubuntu-MATE, not the general released version Ubuntu
[18:58] <qwefytuiityty> not trust me, no problem fot this. Go in internet and searching maybe i wrong. Standart installation Ubuntu 18.04 using x11 or wayland?
[18:59] <qwefytuiityty> using = uses
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: Ubuntu offers support for wayland as Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop manager. Ubuntu-MATE uses a different desktop manager that does not currently support wayland. Ubuntu-MATE was created to gives users the ability to keep the familiar Gnome2 desktop.
[19:00] <qwefytuiityty> Mir?
[19:01] <ledeni> qwefytuiityty, default is x11 but you can choose wayland
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: Mir and Unity projects have both been abandonded by Ubuntu developers. They have moved to community supported forks, but will no longer be offered in Ubuntu
[19:02] <qwefytuiityty> for virtul machine default need x11 for speed.
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> Wayland is also not supported by Nvidia graphics drivers
[19:03] <qwefytuiityty> but next year default planed wayland, no gpu aceleration big cpu load in virtul machine
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: I'm sorry, but this discussion is no longer support related. Please take the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:06] <TheWild> hello
[19:07] <TheWild> Unity has a tools to work with bluetooth, but I would like to do it from command line and have no clue how. I'm currently on i3-wm.
[19:07] <ioria> hcitool
[19:09] <qwefytuiityty> not need, I've said what I wanted.
[19:09] <TheWild> "hcitool scan" immediately prints "Device is not available: No such device".
[19:09] <TheWild> when I was in Unity, I turned bluetooth off and now no idea how to turn it on from command line.
[19:10] <DocPlatypus> TheWild: try 'bluetoothctl' and then 'power on'
[19:14] <TheWild> bluetoothctl claims "No default controller available"
[19:14] <SimonNL> TheWild: rfkill unblock all
[19:14] <TheWild> "show" command the same. "list" prints nothing
[19:15] <SimonNL> rfkill list all      to see if blocked
[19:16] <TheWild> nothing is blocked and good sign: bluetooth is listed
[19:16] <TheWild> ^ on rfkill list all
[19:16] <TheWild> yay, bluetoothctl also lists it now :O
[19:17] <crypticGator> after updating to 18.04 I have issues with android studio 'KVM is required to run this AVD /dev/kvm device:permission denied'
[19:18] <TheWild> okay SimonNL, thank you very much. Now when BT is unblocked, I'll have fun with bluetoothctl and try to send something to my phone.
[19:19] <leftyfb> crypticGator: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37300811/android-studio-dev-kvm-device-permission-denied  first result on google for "/dev/kvm device:permission denied"
[19:19] <TheWild> DocPlatypus: thank you too
[19:19] <SimonNL> TheWild: have fun
[19:22] <crypticGator> Thanks leftyfb I saw that page but ran into the problem on the #1 answer. I have no kvm group
[19:22] <jurgentje> Hi, I'm trying to install couchdb on my system (Ubuntu 18.04 64 bits desktop) but for some reason, I can't find a candidate. Even the official PPA only appears to go up to Zesty. Any one has experience with couchdb?
[19:22] <leftyfb> crypticGator: do you have libvirt-bin installed?
[19:23] <leftyfb> !info couchdb
[19:23] <crypticGator> I just installed that
[19:23] <crypticGator> I'm checking if it works
[19:24] <leftyfb> crypticGator: after installing libvirt-bin, you might need to add yourself to the kvm group
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> !info python-couchdb
[19:27] <Bashing-om> !info couchapp
[19:27] <ioria> jurgentje, seems dropped on bionic
[19:31] <crypticGator> damn, leftyfb . how'd you know that? I was able to add my self to that group. but I just the issue persists. I recall that I installed it under /usr/local/android-studio
[19:32] <crypticGator> could that be a problem as well? since the guide said do sudo mv downloads/android-studio /usr/local/android-studio operative word SUDO
[19:34] <Rumen> Hello there -  I have a issue with missing icons in Bionic with Comminity Theme. In top bar in most of the cases Dropbox, Skype, Mega and Classic Menu Indicator missing. Sometimes the a loded, but very rearly. Does anybody can help me fix that?
[19:38] <crypticGator> i'm going to restart see if it does anything
[19:42] <ioria> Rumen, i know that Community team is not completed yet; you can try to install libappindicator1 and restart , but it's a wild guess
[19:42] <crypticGator> I'm back, restarting worked.
[19:46] <Rumen> Thank you I will give it a try
[19:47] <Rumen> Actrually I have it and is the newest version - libappindicator1 is already the newest version (12.10.1+18.04.20180322.1-0ubuntu1).
[19:51] <mattfly> hi
[19:52] <mattfly> can anyone report a bug to me or help me to report? after a fresh install of ubuntu hibernation works, after installing nvidia-384 s2disk freezes
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: this article will help you with submitting a bug report: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:53] <mattfly> but i dont know how to do that
[19:53] <mattfly> if i run aport with s2disk my system will freeze it is not a crash and then i need to force a reboot
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: Did you go to the website?
[19:54] <mattfly> yes
[19:55] <mattfly> as far as i see to use ubuntu-bug i need to run the process with it?
[19:56] <mattfly> well if i run ubuntu-bug s2disk it tells me the package is not installed
[19:56] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: You did not read the entire page
[19:56] <mattfly> is that a bug with ubuntu-bug?
[19:57] <impi> hi hi
[19:57] <mattfly> this thing is making too hard about the problem, what is a place i can write about this and then someone could read and report the bug ?
[19:57] <impi> ubuntu 18.04 / gnome 3 user
[19:57] <impi> i7 / 16gb laptop and my laptop is unsuable
[19:57] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: Please read the entire page, from top to bottom, it tells you everything you need to know about filing a bug report
[19:57] <impi> where do i start looking?
[19:58] <confluency> What does "is unusable" mean?
[19:58] <impi> it means that, on 16.,04 i was flying. on 18.04 i cant_use_it
[19:58] <mattfly> what if i am a newbie and dont know nothing about whats written on that page?
[19:58] <impi> lag,. slowness, unsuable
[19:59] <impi> im only using 5gb / 16
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: there are no shortcuts in life, the page needs to be read. Then we can continue with questions.... (I am staring at the exact scenario within that page at this very moment that has the answer to your question.)
[19:59] <impi> so it must be something else, but it's an embarresment to ubuntu / gnome 3
[20:00] <mattfly> yeah but this way 90% of ubuntu problems wont get reported if you expec everyone having any kind of issue read that whole page
[20:00] <mattfly> only developers will report
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: No, I'm telling you were the documentation exists for how to submit a bug report. There is a lot of important information. You need to read that page, find the scenario that fits your situation and follow the steps.
[20:02] <Rumen> Changed the theme ... restated  ..... nothing changed. Again most icons missing.
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: In the amount of time you have spent complaining and not reading, you would have already found how to submit the bug report
[20:02] <mattfly> no im reading and its almost finished the bug report
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: That didn't make anysense
[20:03] <mattfly> im thinking on the situation of someone who just came to linux world and only uses it for browsing, and so on, but finds a problem and comes here and you tell this person to read that page...
[20:03] <mattfly> anyway nevermind
[20:04] <talntid> when attempting to install Ubuntu 18.04, the installer screen just has a messed up view and can't read anything....
[20:04] <talntid> nvidia GTX 960 video card
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: So you're telling me the hardwork of volunteers to maintain a set of standardized documentation to ensure bug reports are filed correctly with complete information is a complete waste of time? Instead you want a short cut to post a bug report, that will waste time because it is incomplete.
[20:04] <talntid> is there still poor support for decent video cards?
[20:04] <codelion> hi
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> talntid: What is that supposed to mean?
[20:05] <talntid> pragmaticenigma, what part?
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> sorry talntid ... I didn't see the whole post. Please avoid using enter for punctuation and try to type everything in the same line.
[20:05] <mattfly> there should be the complicated and the easy way
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: I've pointed you in the direction you need... there is no other path to take
[20:06] <mattfly> the complicated and deep and detailed way with a huge documentation and also the easy way
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> talntid: can you describe "messed up view and can't read anything"
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: Because you whine so much: Here are the steps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Create_a_Launchpad_account, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Determine_if_the_bug_is_really_a_bug, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Perform_a_survey_of_your_problem, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_at_Launchpad.net
[20:08] <mattfly> hahaha
[20:08] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: reporting a bug that has already been reported wastes everyones time, there are specific steps to follow to make sure you're not just created more work for the developers to trouble shoot and fix, when they may have already fixed the problem. That's why I sent you there.
[20:09] <mattfly> no, im researching about this one since a long time and its still not reported, my problem with hibernation happens after installing nvidia drivers
[20:11] <talntid> pragmaticenigma basically, i put in livecd, and grubloader prompts me to run the OS, so I do (from the livecd)... but when it is booting into the OS, instead of having proper things on the screen, it looks like a ton of super tiny text, but not able to be read, and it flashes and has all sorts of alignment issues, is the only way i really know how to explain it
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: It won't get any attention without a proper bug report, which will require some effort on your part. If you aren't willing to go through the effort of reading that article, then how can I know you're going to go through the effort of being an active participant in troubleshooting the bug. The truth is, I run a machine with an Nvidia card, and have not experienced any issues like you have described.
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> Therefore, it will need you to know and provide enough information for a developer to triage and determine what is the potential problem.
[20:12] <Jdjsks> I just installed Ubuntu 18.02 and the login screen won't work
[20:13] <Jdjsks> It keeps freezing and reloading
[20:13] <Claire235> Jdsks is the cursor an X
[20:13] <talntid> Jdjsks, ctrl+alt+f1, do you get a terminal?
[20:13] <Jdjsks> The cursor is not an x
[20:14] <Jdjsks> F1 won't get terminal
[20:14] <Jdjsks> I'M logged in with terminal in f3
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> talntid: try using nomodeset at grub/boot menu
[20:14] <talntid> ok, so if login works there, go to the /var/log
[20:14] <Jdjsks> Ok I'm there
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> talntid: A note, with Ubuntu 18.04 tty1 is now the desktop, instead of tty7
[20:15] <talntid> and look at the logs there - auth.log and messages
[20:15] <talntid> pragmaticenigma, roger that. thanks :) I'll try nomodeset
[20:16] <D_A_N> Hello friends, today, I was on 16.04 ubuntu and it froze so I had to power down the machine, I'm wondering if there's any sensitive info in my log folder, I was going to upload it to google drive and find out if I could get some help
[20:18] <Jdjsks> What am I looking for in with.log
[20:18] <D_A_N> The screen froze and so I had to physically power down the server
[20:19] <D_A_N> https://pastebin.com/dg0cW8Cz
[20:20] <Jdjsks> Ok I found this: gnome-keyring-daemon[1333]: couldn't access control socket /run/user/120/keyring/control no such file or directory
[20:21] <Jdjsks> I'M gonna try booting without the gpu
[20:22] <D_A_N> What do you mean
[20:22] <D_A_N> I installed the proprietary nvidia driver, maybe that's it
[20:22] <Jdjsks> Disconnected it
[20:22] <pragmaticenigma> D_A_N: I don't believe Jdjsks is responding to your question
[20:23] <Jdjsks> No in not, sry
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> D_A_N: only you would be able to know what's in your log file that you deem is sensitive. Main thing to search for would be passwords and you any public internet IP addresses
[20:24] <Jdjsks> Gnome is fucked in just gonna install xubuntu
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> Jdjsks: please mind the language, this is a family friendly channel
[20:24] <nacc> Jdjsks: please watch your language in the channel, please.
[20:25] <Jdjsks> K
[20:26] <Rumen> Any other idea please?
[20:28] <zaur> ping
[20:28] <genos> wow
[20:29] <genos> how do i change the size of the lengend/key in gnuplot. why is this so hard?
[20:29] <genos> not the font the points
[20:29] <genos> anyone?
[20:29] <nacc> genos: did you see if there is a gnuplot channel?
[20:29] <genos> anyone?
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: The apps that you reported on are all 3rd party applications provided by outside vendors. It may take them a bit to catch up with the new realease and provide icons in the expected locations for appindicator to find. You could try reinstalling the snaps, to see if that resolves the issue.
[20:30] <genos> nacc: i asked there too. its dead af.
[20:30] <genos> nacc: can you help?
[20:30] <nacc> genos: abbreviating offensive language is no less offensive, please avoid it in the channel. I'm looking.
[20:30] <genos> lmao
[20:30] <genos> ok
[20:30] <genos> can you help?
[20:31] <nacc> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7580272/how-to-set-key-font-size-in-gnuplot
[20:31] <nacc> took all of one google search :)
[20:31] <genos> no. not the font. the points. like i said earlier
[20:31] <genos> nacc:
[20:31] <genos> the point size
[20:31] <Rumen> I have just login in simple gnome desktop - there the icons missing as well - without Community theme
[20:31] <nacc> genos: what do you mean by points? you mean the circles or whatever?
[20:31] <genos> nacc: yeah the dots
[20:32] <genos> nacc: so you can plot a line or you can plot as points. I want to plot as points and make the points in the legend bigger.
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: It's not necassarily the theme... It's a common issue where the indicator icons are not displayed. Often it resolves when the app developer provides an update
[20:32] <nacc> genos: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12310236/gnuplot-increase-size-of-point-only-in-legend-key ?
[20:32] <Rumen> I also have Comunity theme installed on Xorg. There the problem is the same
[20:33] <Ubuntu_Broken_He> Hi, ive just installed 18.04 worked great but i tried to log in as a wayland client and got a "sorry that didn't work" so i logged in as a xorg, and now i can only get a purple screen with a white cursor and i have to hard reset, help please
[20:33] <genos> nacc: checking, laggy af internet
[20:33] <nacc> genos: seriously, please stop abbreviating offensive language.
[20:34] <Rumen> Ahaaa OK, but what can be the reason one time to load, other time not? And why all icons missing? If the issue is with the Mega or Dropbox it should not be a probel for the Skype - for example .... but they all missing!
[20:35] <genos> nacc: as fish? brb
[20:37] <kritterr> HP Chromebook 14, Bionic Beaver, no sound. alsamixer shows two sound cards, HDA Intel PCH and chtmax98090. Everything unmuted.
[20:38] <Claire235> kritterr have you tried testing them with the app
[20:38] <kritterr> Settings shows dummy output and nothing else.
[20:39] <kritterr> Which app?
[20:39] <Claire235> ok
[20:41] <Claire235> go to settings/sound click an output device, at the bottom it should show a button that says "test speakers"
[20:42] <kritterr> Only output device is dummy output, no sound upon test. Am presently reinstalling alsa/pulse.
[20:42] <rorro> Ok. So I have a small issue. I am running ubuntu 16.04 and when I try to drag a window up to the top left corner I can't move it all the way up there. Here is an example of it in action. https://streamable.com/8d9ef
[20:43] <rorro> I have super key + mouse to force move the window, that's how I move it to the top left corner.
[20:43] <rorro> But as soon as the window gets resized or moved a little, it snaps out
[20:43] <leftyfb> rorro: which desktop environment is that?
[20:44] <Exterminador> hello there. is there any web admin application like Webmin for Ubuntu? someone said that Webmin isn't very safe..
[20:44] <ash_work> whats the recommended way to install skype and team-viewer?
[20:45] <rorro> leftyfb, unity
[20:45] <leftyfb> rorro: that does not look like Unity to me
[20:45] <leftyfb> rorro: there's no bar on the left and the window decoration is different
[20:45] <leftyfb> nm, there is a bar, I see
[20:46] <leftyfb> rorro: Is that the only application that this happens to
[20:46] <rorro> leftyfb, I'm using numix icons and that specific window has a custom window thing
[20:47] <leftyfb> toto_: it looks like that application "hides" the window decoration but it's still there and will still collide with the edge
[20:47] <rorro> leftyfb, I'm trying to find more applications that do that
[20:47] <rorro> But it feels like it only happens when an application has a custom window chroma
[20:47] <leftyfb> rorro: I'm going to guess this is a problem with that particular application and not ubuntu
[20:51] <kritterr> HP Chromebook 14, Bionic Beaver, no sound. alsamixer shows two sound cards, HDA Intel PCH and chtmax98090. Everything unmuted. aplay does not produce sound, but generates this error:
[20:51] <leftyfb> !repeat | kritterr
[20:52] <mark76> I just upgraded to 18:04 and now my computer is dead.  I can't even get a ttyl
[20:52] <kritterr> Sorry, felt like I ought to update as to what was going on
[20:52] <vlt> Hello. How can I tell a program (like mplayer) where and how big to draw its window?
[21:00] <nacc> Exterminador: no web admin panel is particularly safe
[21:01] <nacc> Kristine: what error? (your message had no extra info)
[21:01] <nacc> marlinc: did you try all the F* keys?
[21:01] <nacc> (ctrl+alt+F*)
[21:01] <nacc> ash_work: skype is available as a snap, I believe
[21:01] <nacc> ash_work: not sure on team viewer, never used it
[21:04] <dmarr> i have a samsung monitor with a built in webcam, but when i try to run cheese it isn't found. anyone know if i need to connect via displayport to get that to be recognized?
[21:07] <genos> nacc: ......
[21:07] <genos> ...........
[21:08] <genos> nacc: ok that example sort of worked, but this sux.
[21:08] <genos> nacc: and ty>.>
[21:08] <MonkeyDust> dmarr  is this usefeul (14.04) https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/243753/ubuntu-14-04-built-in-webcam-not-being-detected
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> dmarr  scroll down, it advices to simply purge and reinstall cheese
[21:11] <dmarr> thanks MonkeyDust unfort that didn't work
[21:11] <dmarr> i'm not seeing anything at /dev/video* or showing up under lsmod
[21:11] <dmarr> i do have the monitor connected via usb and dvi
[21:12] <dmarr> lsusb*
[21:12] <Budgii> I'm trying to remember how to make a file be marked as executable.. it's a .jar, i think it's chmod++?
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> Budgii  chmod +x
[21:13] <vlt> vlt: mplayer has a -geometry option
[21:16] <Budgii> MonkeyDust, cd location ; chmod +x myfile.jar?
[21:17] <Budgii> ah, there was a space in the name. quotes fixed it. Thanks MonkeyDust!
[21:17] <genos> wow
[21:17] <genos> god damn
[21:18] <genos> linux sometimes has a steep learning curve
[21:18] <genos> makes you suffer man this damn thing
[21:18] <genos> grr
[21:18] <mark76> Hello.  I want to copy some files from my home folder onto a USB drive so that I can reinstall a previous version of Ubuntu without losing Firefox passwords and stuff but I keep being denied
[21:20] <Li> out of all the ubuntu designers & evelopers I want to see the fucker who decided to make bluetooth on by default and make such a big fuss to disable it!
[21:21] <joebobjoe> what is gcc-doc? I installed build-essential and man gcc works just fine
[21:21] <mark76> Never mind,  solved by opening file manager as root
[21:23] <Exterminador> nacc: I know web admin panels aren't particularly safe. I was wondering if there's some other more advisable
[21:23] <nacc> Li: please watch your language in the channel.
[21:23] <nacc> Exterminador: to admin systems?
[21:23] <mark76> Does anyone know why 18.04 doesn't work on AMD64 systems?
[21:23] <DeusExMaximum> I hooked my laptop up to my tv via hdmi cable but none of the hdmi channels will show my computer screen. Any ideas? I'm running ubuntu 16.04. Do I need to install something?
[21:23] <genos> nacc: swearing is part of the 4 fundamental freedums
[21:24] <Exterminador> nacc: is more to create/delete databases and stuff (I'm not comfortable with CLI commands to PostgreSQL and MySQL).
[21:24] <nacc> mark76: it defintely does work.
[21:25] <mark76> Not on mine
[21:25] <nacc> genos: please read the channel guidelines.
[21:25] <mark76> Nothing but black screem
[21:25] <mark76> Not even a tty
[21:25] <DeusExMaximum> Wait. I need to go to display settings and select mirrored display, apparently.
[21:25] <nacc> mark76: try 'nomodeset' ?
[21:25] <Vic2> Ubuntu 14.04 ... am wanting to install pear so that php can send emails via a remote smtp server ... any guidance as to which packages need to be installed?
[21:26] <mark76> I can't.  I cannot get a terminal
[21:26] <nacc> mark76: you don't see grub?
[21:26] <mark76> Nope
[21:27] <nacc> mark76: that's relatively fundamental, press escape a bunch during booting
[21:27] <mark76> Oh yeah. I can get the boot options screen
[21:28] <joebobjoe> ah ok. I figured it out. gcc-doc includes the info pages for gcc
[21:28] <joebobjoe> the man pages are included with gcc
[21:28] <nacc> mark76: ok, edit the entry and add nomodeset
[21:28] <mark76> But I'm not sure that's what you mean
[21:29] <mark76> That just allows you to choose whether you want to boot straight from the HDD or from another medium like a CD ROM or a USB memory stick
[21:30] <mark76> Like I'm doing now
[21:31] <mark76> Does that sound like Grub nacc ?
[21:33] <nacc> mark76: no, that's your BIOS menu
[21:33] <nddipiazza> hi all! dealing with an OOM killer when "free" says I have plenty of memory.
[21:33] <nddipiazza> i have the kernel log and i'm trying to decipher what the heck is going on here. i'm confused because "free" tells me i have 16 gigs free
[21:34] <mark76> Right.  So chances are I may not have Grub
[21:34] <nddipiazza> i i have 0 swap on my system. is that normal to have Free tell me i have memory that i really don't? using vm ware too so maybe that is related
[21:34] <mark76> I'll check when I've finished transferring these files
[21:37] <genos> nacc: what would stallman-sama say
[21:39] <nacc> genos: please stay ontopic.
[21:39] <nacc> mark76: you have grub, it's the bootloader in Ubuntu.
[21:39] <mark76> Hmm
[21:39] <nacc> mark76: when you boot from you usb, hit escape shortly thereafter
[21:39] <nacc> nddipiazza: use a pastebin and show us the oom killer log
[21:39] <mark76> Ah right
[21:39] <nacc> nddipiazza: having memory free now is irrelevant to when the oom killer ran (it might have freed your memory)
[21:39] <mark76> What about if I boot from the hard drive?  The one with 18.04 on it
[21:40] <nacc> nddipiazza: if you have no swap, and you get anywhere near your memory limit, then you can OOM
[21:40] <mark76> That's not working
[21:40] <nacc> mark76: yes, also grub
[21:40] <nddipiazza> nacc: customer just let me know it is RHEL on VMWare. :( would you still be willing to look or should i head over to #rhel ?
[21:40] <Vic2> when installing php-pear I get the following:  WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[21:40] <Vic2>   
[21:40] <nacc> nddipiazza: no thank you :)
[21:40] <nacc> nddipiazza: feel free to talk to RH for support
[21:40] <mark76> We'll see
[21:40] <nddipiazza> yep good idea
[21:41] <nacc> Vic2: use a pastebin.
[21:41] <mark76> Okay, my file transfers are finished
[21:41] <mark76> BBL
[21:42] <DeusExMaximum> Guys, I'm trying to connect to my tv via hdmi cable. Both hdmi channels aren't showing anything despite being plugged in. The only thing I haven't tried yet (and don't know how to do, as there isn't any option on the remote that controls the tv settings), is change the tv pixel-per-inch ratio to fit my laptop. Is that the thing that's keeping this from working?
[21:43] <Vic2> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6cr48fCTCK/
[21:44] <nddipiazza> random linux question. how does one decipher this kernel msg?
[21:44] <nddipiazza> "May 10 11:52:38  kernel: [24885835.425383] Killed process 23686 (java) total-vm:156898356kB, anon-rss:3088892kB, file-rss:4418612kB"
[21:45] <nddipiazza> because 1255.186848Gb is obviously way more memory than i had
[21:45] <nddipiazza> do divide that by 8 to get the real value?
[21:46] <D_A_N> Can anyone have a look at this question I posted on Stackoverflow and possible spare some advice? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50281102/ubuntu-keeps-freezing-crashing
[21:46] <nacc> Vic2: apt-cache policy php-pear
[21:46] <nacc> nddipiazza: total-vm is virtual memory size
[21:46] <nacc> nddipiazza: why would you divide by 8?
[21:46] <nddipiazza> nacc: desperateness
[21:47] <nddipiazza> oh virtual memory size meaning hard isk
[21:47] <nacc> nddipiazza: java on your system was using 149GgB of virtual memory
[21:47] <nacc> nddipiazza: ... virtual memory has nothing to do with your hard disk
[21:47] <nddipiazza> holy shit.
[21:47] <compdoc> you mean swap?
[21:47] <nddipiazza> nacc: i wouldn't have imagined i had that even close to that
[21:48] <nacc> nddipiazza: it's *virtual*
[21:48] <nddipiazza> ohhhh
[21:48] <nddipiazza> nacc: so it tried to get that much and failed
[21:48] <nacc> nddipiazza: if you are on a 64-bit process, you have 2^64 bits of address space to consume
[21:48] <nacc> *processor
[21:48] <nacc> give or take some reservations by the kernel, etc.
[21:49] <nacc> it used just under 3gB of actual memory
[21:49] <nacc> err, maybe more than that
[21:49] <nacc> RSS is actual in-memory usage (Resident Set Size)
[21:49] <nacc> nddipiazza: you may want to read a Linux basics book, though, if you want to actually dig into this
[21:50] <Vic2> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xPX84XdJhR/
[21:50] <nddipiazza> nacc: i have a few i could give them a gander. i never usually have to get into this much of the weeds
[21:50] <nddipiazza> i'm still dumbfounded by the fact that my 32Gb virtual machine has 149Gb of virtual memory
[21:51] <nacc> nddipiazza: virtual physical memory are not really related
[21:51] <nacc> *virtual and physical
[21:51] <nacc> obviously they are somehwat, but one is a software construct
[21:52] <nacc> Vic2: 1) you are using a PPA; 2) You didn't get the PPAs key, when you added the PPA and thus are vulnerable to MITM attacks
[21:52] <nddipiazza> right right. but if my program requested that much virtual memory when it should have a max of 6Gb, that sounds like a problem
[21:52] <nacc> nddipiazza: typically called a memory leak
[21:52] <Vic2> nacc:  Ubuntu repositories, no?  So how can I correct?
[21:53] <nacc> Vic2: no. you are using a PPA
[21:53] <nacc> Vic2: read line 7 of your paste
[21:54] <Vic2> nacc:  yep, I see that now ... working on a server I do not usually maintain, someone else does.  How do I go about getting the key?
[21:55] <nacc> Vic2: equally important you are using the wrong PPA for ondrej
[21:55] <nacc> Vic2: i'm pretty sure that PPA no longer exists (the one configured on the system)
[21:56] <nacc> Vic2: but i have no idea in this case
[21:57] <mark76> Hi nacc.  I managed to get Grub and then when I tried to use nomodeset in a commandline I got this https://imgur.com/gM1sFnL
[21:57] <Vic2> ok nacc ... ty.
[21:57] <vasanth> i am on ubuntu 16.04 lts (xenial) - the screen resolution does not recognize the maximum capable by the display - any tips for me to fix this?
[21:57] <mark76> That's a screenshot of the actual monitor
[21:58] <D_A_N> vasanth: Install proprietary gpu drivers
[21:59] <mark76> One thought.  The upgrade removed my nvidia driver.  Should it have replaced it with Noveau?
[22:00] <nacc> mark76: sorry, that's not quite how you do it
[22:00] <nacc> !nomodeset | mark76
[22:04] <mark76> I have to add nomodeset to a file?
[22:04] <Thedarkb> I just put an atheros wifi card in my other laptop.
[22:04] <Thedarkb> How do I make Ubuntu see it?
[22:04] <pavlos> Thedarkb: lsusb should list the card
[22:05] <mark76> Can I edit my main hard drive grub file from here?
[22:05] <mark76> So I don't have to remember all that stuff
[22:06] <Thedarkb> pavlos, it's mini PCI
[22:06] <Thedarkb> not express.
[22:06] <Thedarkb> Just plain PCI
[22:06] <pavlos> Thedarkb: then lspci
[22:07] <Thedarkb> Not showing up
[22:07] <Thedarkb> It's probably dead.
[22:07] <pavlos> Thedarkb: do you know how to pastebin?
[22:08] <genii> Some laptop cards plug into the miniPCI but have an internal USB bridge.
[22:08] <Thedarkb> Not showing up on lsusb either.
[22:09] <Thedarkb> That's more of a pcie thing anyway
[22:09] <genii> Thedarkb: So you might want to see if it shows up in lsusb if it's not showing in lspci
[22:09] <Thedarkb> It's probably dead tbh
[22:09] <Thedarkb> Ugh oh
[22:09] <pavlos> Thedarkb: is there a model# for this mini pci ?
[22:09] <Thedarkb> Err
[22:09] <Thedarkb> Right
[22:09] <Thedarkb> I can't get the card out.
[22:09] <Thedarkb> It's fouling on the chassis.
[22:09] <Thedarkb> It's slightly longer than my old one.
[22:10] <Thedarkb> and it won't come out.
[22:11] <pavlos> Thedarkb: laptop model?
[22:11] <genii> Thedarkb: Did the machine it was in before have some hardware killswitch for the wifi?
[22:12] <genii> killswitch/on-off switch
[22:12] <Thedarkb> None
[22:12] <Thedarkb> IBM X40
[22:12] <Thedarkb> A fine XP era battlestation.
[22:12] <genii> heh
[22:13] <Thedarkb> got the card out
[22:14] <joseph> ello
[22:14] <joseph> hi
[22:14] <joseph> how r u
[22:16] <pavlos> Thedarkb: it has a pcmcia slot
[22:16] <Thedarkb> A broken one.
[22:16] <Thedarkb> pavlos, https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HkAHFrR.jpg
[22:16] <Thedarkb> as you can see, the card is a bit long for the chassis
[22:18] <Thedarkb> I know it says philips, it's a rebrand.
[22:20] <pavlos> Thedarkb: if the gold connectors dont match (there is a notch), then look for an intel card
[22:20] <Thedarkb> It fitted in
[22:20] <Thedarkb> getting it out was a bastard
[22:20] <Thedarkb> When it was booting the BIOS was clever enough to replace the Centrino logo with a Pentium M logo
[22:21] <Thedarkb> nice touch imo
[22:22] <pavlos> Thedarkb: the card goes in at 45 degrees, then the 2 metal things snap it in.
[22:23] <pavlos> Thedarkb: you know all this ... sorry for the ramble
[22:26] <mak76> nacc.  I cannot get a tty and grub doesn't recognise the command sudo update-grub
[22:26] <dmarr> i have a camera im exposing via `motion`. i can connect to it over http in a browser. i can't seem to add it as an ip cam though with synology surveillance station
[22:27] <mak76>  I cannot get 18.04 to work
[22:28] <mak76> nacc
[22:28] <mak76> Unless there's some way to update my main system grub from here I'll have to reinstall the older system and ignore 18.04
[22:30] <superman39> Installed 18.04, Installed nvidia drivers... now I get "extension "GLX" missing on display ":0"." -- any ideas? this is a desktop with a GTX 960 card in it
[22:30] <mak76> Also,  I edited the usr/etc/grub file on my hard drive from from the live session
[22:31] <mak76> Shouldn't that have updated the grub file when I saved it?
[22:31] <mak76> etc/defaults/grub
[22:31] <genii> No
[22:32] <genii> It needs sudo update-grub to be run while chrooted into the system it's supposed to take effect on
[22:32] <mak76> Okay.  So I need to access that system from here since I cannot get a command line in the system itself
[22:33] <genii> mak76: Why can't you enter the grub CLI during boot and add it there ?
[22:33] <genii> ( and then do the permanent change after it actually boots )
[22:34] <mak76> Because the grub CLI doesn't recognise the command sudo update-grub genii
[22:34] <genii> mak76: No. I mean add whatever change you were trying to make to the kernel loading line before it boots
[22:35] <mak76> Because I wouldn't know where to add it
[22:35] <genii> At the end after the last thing
[22:35] <mak76> That sounds dangerous
[22:35] <mak76> I'm going to reinstall instead
[22:35] <genii> ...
[22:35] <tomreyn> chroot sounds like the better option to me
[22:36] <mak76> I can't get into chroot
[22:36] <tomreyn> because of the weather?
[22:36] <mak76> Alt Ctrl 1 does nothing with the system bricked like it is
[22:37] <genii> mak76: Did you try F1 instead of just 1 ?
[22:37] <mak76> Alt Ctrl F1.   Jesus christ keyboard
[22:37] <tomreyn> to get into chroot you'd boot from a live cd or usb stick and run a serious of commands to mount a couple devices, then run the chroot command to enter your actual permanent system installation
[22:37] <mak76> Anyway, the point is I cannot get a commandline
[22:38] <tomreyn> serious -> series
[22:39] <mak76> Okay. I'm running from a usb stick right now.   If I  press crtl alt f1 will I get what I want?
[22:39] <tomreyn> no
[22:39] <mak76> Then what do I do?
[22:39] <tomreyn> what is it that you are running from the usb stick right now?
[22:39] <mak76> My computer
[22:40] <tomreyn> which OS and version
[22:40] <mak76> Sorry, I mean, 1704
[22:40] <mak76> JESUS CHRIST
[22:40] <mak76> This keyboard is the pits
[22:40] <tomreyn> do you have an 18.04 usb stick, too?
[22:40] <mak76> 17.04
[22:40] <mak76> No
[22:40] <tomreyn> 17.04 is eol, i'm afraid
[22:41] <tomreyn> if you were to reinstall 18.04, how would you do it?
[22:42] <mak76> 17.04 is the last edition I downloaded
[22:43] <mak76> 17.10 was pretty straightforward
[22:43] <mak76> As an upgrade
[22:43] <mak76> If I can't get a proper tty then I don't really have any choice other than to reinstall, do I
[22:43] <tomreyn> mak76: i'm not sure whether recovering 18.04 from a 17.04 live stick will work, so i'd prefer not to try to guide you there.
[22:43] <Insider> I've installed unity on the 18.04 LTS I just cannot go on with Gnome yet :(
[22:43] <mak76> I don't want to reinstall 18.04 tomreyn. I don't want to install it at all
[22:44] <mak76> It obviously won't work with my computer so installing it would be a bad idea
[22:44] <tomreyn> mak76: ok, that's why i was evaluating your options of recovering your existing installation
[22:45] <tomreyn> mak76: ctrl-alt-f2 or -f3 doesn't get you a temrinal either?
[22:45] <Insider> oh, this thing happened to me to, tomreyn, nothing works
[22:46] <tomreyn> Insider: which thing?
[22:46] <mak76> None of them do
[22:46] <mak76> Just a black screen.  And yes the monitor is on
[22:46] <Insider> installation from 17.10 to 18.04 broke up my pc, lol
[22:46] <tomreyn> mak76: how about recovery boot?
[22:47] <Insider> but when did a fresh install of 18.04 everything worked just fine
[22:47] <tomreyn> Insider: okay, but this may or may not be related to what we're discussing here, now.
[22:47] <tomreyn> there are a lot fo ways things cuold break.
[22:47] <Insider> yes!
[22:47] <Insider> I agree!
[22:48] <tomreyn> so that alone doesn't allow us to say that you're in the very same situation, and so what you learnt when things did not work for you may not help mak76 now.
[22:49] <Insider> yes, it might be a totally different issue, I see!
[22:49] <Claire235> mak76 is the cursor an X
[22:50] <mak76> I think 18.04 has some kind of bug that stops it from working with older AMD64 chipsets
[22:51] <Claire235> wow
[22:51] <mak76> One last go and then reinstall
[22:53] <Thedarkb-X40> Well, I'm back with my old network card.
[22:53] <Insider> Is there any way to make windows integration is gnome as they were in Unity?
[22:54] <Insider> I am talking about avoiding those 3 rows of bar for firefox under the top bar.
[22:55] <kostkon> Insider, nope
[22:55] <metrum> Hello! I have just installed Ubuntu on my laptop besides Win 10. I shrinked the drive where I have the Win 10, and installed there. After the installer finished, it needed a restart, but now I dont see Ubuntu as an option in the bios or the boot menu,
[22:55] <Insider> hmmm!
[22:56] <kostkon> Insider, actually wait for the firefox update
[22:56] <kostkon> Insider, firefox 60 has support for csd
[22:57] <Insider> will do kostkon
[22:57] <Insider> hope it will
[22:58] <Insider> You need to give us more details metrum, do you have an UEFI installation?
[22:58] <metrum> yes i have
[22:58] <kostkon> Insider, it will probably arrive tomorrow
[22:58] <Insider> that would be great
[22:59] <kostkon> Insider, "Added an option for Linux users to show or hide page titles in a bar at the top of the browser. You’ll find the Title Bar option in the Customize panel available from the main browser menu."
[22:59] <kostkon> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/60.0/releasenotes/
[22:59] <Insider> thank you!
[22:59] <metrum> i shrinked 90 gb of my c drive, and in the ubuntu installer, i made an 11 gb of share and the remaining is ext4
[23:00] <Insider> you chose the option "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows 10" ?
[23:01] <gogeta> sounds like the manual option
[23:01] <metrum> nope, i chose the something else
[23:01] <gogeta> yep
[23:01] <Sven_vB> metrum, nowadays Ubuntu is quite good at using windows drives directly. just make sure your windows really shuts down (configurable in power settings).
[23:01] <metrum> thats what i have seen in tutorial videos
[23:01] <gogeta> metrum: yea hibernate can interfear
[23:02] <metrum> so installation is finished, but i am not seeing ubuntu in the boot loader which appears after pressing F12
[23:02] <Thedarkb-X40> Last time I dual booted, I was using FAT32.
[23:02] <Thedarkb-X40> Which Linux supports just fine.
[23:02] <Thedarkb-X40> Don't really know about NTFS
[23:02] <Sven_vB> NTFS works fine as well
[23:03] <Sven_vB> I often use it and had no problems yet
[23:03] <Insider> yes it works
[23:03] <Thedarkb-X40> I still format my removable drives as FAT32
[23:03] <Thedarkb-X40> Just in case.
[23:03] <metrum> what should i do now then?
[23:04] <Insider> metrum, just log in windows, open a "cmd" as administrator and type "powercfg.exe /hibernate off
[23:04] <Insider> without - " -
[23:05] <Sven_vB> metrum, no need to change anything, it's just an option you could consider to avoid needing a share partition.
[23:05] <metrum> so i wont be able to hibernate my windows? or can i turn it back in the future?
[23:05] <Insider> yes you can turn it back in the future
[23:06] <Insider> but it might interfere with your ubuntu installation, especially if they are both on the same partition
[23:06] <Sven_vB> metrum, when Windows is hibernated, Ubuntu might flinch from mounting the system partition in writeable mode.
[23:06] <metrum> okay, thanks for the help guys, I see what can i do
[23:07] <Sven_vB> metrum, that might be an argument to use a share partition as you originally planned.
[23:16] <whytrytofly> hello
[23:16] <whytrytofly> can anyone tell me how to install qtox on ubuntu 16
[23:17] <Sven_vB> whytrytofly, what is qtox, what have you tried already, what turned out other than expected?
[23:18] <whytrytofly> ive tried https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=248447
[23:18] <Insider> https://askubuntu.com/questions/951031/how-can-i-install-qtox-on-kubuntu-17-04
[23:18] <whytrytofly> file is not on the server anymore
[23:20] <whytrytofly> really sad that ubuntu is not maintaining this piece of software anymore
[23:22] <Sven_vB> whytrytofly, you can always opt to invest the effort of maintaining a PPA.
[23:22] <Sven_vB> or could pay someone to do it ;)
[23:23] <Insider> :)
[23:25] <whytrytofly> yeah - ...
[23:26] <Sven_vB> whytrytofly, or try one of the other clients https://tox.chat/clients.html
[23:27] <Sven_vB> there's a compatibility table on the bottom even
[23:27] <whytrytofly> is there one in the repos?
[23:33] <pragmaticenigma> whytrytofly: it looks like uTox offers a precompiled linux ready version https://github.com/uTox/uTox
[23:34] <xMopx> I was able to update to bionic with `do-release-upgrade -d` on one of my machines, but another is saying "Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release". How do I get around this?
[23:36] <xMopx> Both showed 17.10 in lsb_release -a, but the successful machine was installed from a beta of bionic
[23:36] <tgm4883> xMopx: don't use -d
[23:37] <xMopx> tgm4883: huh.
[23:37] <xMopx> I definitely tried that earlier and was met with the same message. But i tried it again anyways and now it's going, lol
[23:37] <xMopx> thanks!
[23:37] <kran> Can someone help me? My GPU failed (fan died, started overheating). I sent back for RMA and in the meanwhile decided to use ASUS motherboard integrated video. Then I started getting crashes with blocky artifacts on screen. Happens in Ubuntu, SLAX, and BIOS. Is it pretty much 100% the integrated graphics of the MOBO and if so only choice is replace motherboard?
[23:38] <xMopx> ah, or rather, the 'no new release found' message. oh well
[23:39] <xMopx> i'm excited to try the new gnome touchscreen keyboard :)
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> xMopx: did you try to make sure the machine was up-to-date first? by running apt-get dist-upgrade?
[23:40] <xMopx> pragmaticenigma: yep, dist-upgrade is what i did inbetween the attempts
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> strange
[23:40] <xMopx> it was probably about a month out of date beforehand
[23:41] <mjrosenb> is there an easy to find resource that will say if a given program has been patched by canonical?
[23:41] <pragmaticenigma> kran: if you are seeing issues even in BIOS then it's possible the on-board graphics chip is no good. It's also possible the monitor doesn't have a good connection to the display port
[23:41] <Sven_vB> !lts >Sven_vB
[23:41] <pragmaticenigma> mjrosenb: do you have a specfic example?
[23:42] <kran> pragmaticenigma it happens only after using the computer for a while. Then it starts crashing and happening immediately after reboot (in the BIOS).
[23:42] <kran> pragmaticenigma I assume the integrated GPU chip is flawed and simply overheats due to a ban connection somewhere in it.
[23:42] <pragmaticenigma> sounds like the chip is overheating kran ... does the case have enough ventalation as well as appropriate CPU fans and heatsinks?
[23:43] <kran> pragmaticenigma it never happened before while the other GPU was being used (while its fan worked).
[23:44] <kran> pragmaticenigma I assume it was defective out of the box but I never noticed since I used nvidia as soon as I got the computer running.
[23:44] <pragmaticenigma> kran: I understand that, but the GPUs are located in different places ... the dedicated card had it's own fan and cooling. The onboard relies on what is attached to the motherboard
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> kran: withough knowledge of the motherboard, I'm suggesting simple things you can look for or use to figure out if heat is the issue.
[23:45] <kran> pragmaticenigma even the case is open and it's cool right now (68 deg F). The CPU fan is running.
[23:46] <kran> pragmaticenigma ASUS P7H55-M Pro
[23:46] <kran> pragmaticenigma i assume since it's 1156 my only option is second hand if I want to keep CPU right?
[23:47] <Sven_vB> kran, wouldn't another graphics card mitigate the problem?
[23:47] <Thedarkb1-X40> Honestly, used CPUs have few downsides.
[23:47] <Thedarkb1-X40> GTX270s are cheap these days.
[23:47] <Thedarkb1-X40> If you want a nice used GPU
[23:47] <Thedarkb1-X40> Have a look on webuy.com
[23:47] <Sven_vB> yeah in a 2nd hand CPU you can be even less sure whether the microcode has been backdoored. :D
[23:48] <Sven_vB> or rather, by whom
[23:48] <kran> pragmaticenigma I'm looking at an image of it right and there is no fan on the MOBO that could have broken so short of soldering on that component, the MOBO is hopeless, except as you said with another GPU.
[23:48] <Thedarkb1-X40> Microcode isn't stored on CPU
[23:48] <Thedarkb1-X40> I sell used CPUs
[23:48] <Sven_vB> oh. thanks for correcting then.
[23:48] <kran> Thedarkb1-X40 Yes I saw a GTX260 used for sale for $20 shipped.
[23:49] <pragmaticenigma> kran: if you just purchased the board within in a few months, I'd say RMA it... otherwise, wait for your dedicated GPU to come back and you'll be fine
[23:49] <Thedarkb1-X40> Why buy that then?
[23:49] <Thedarkb1-X40> What do you have anyway?
[23:49] <Thedarkb1-X40> Why not buy that then?*
[23:50] <kran> Thedarkb1-X40 and pragmaticenigma I bought the MOBO about 8 years ago, same with the other parts. I'm RMAing the GPU as we speak. Waiting for their response. I will obviously by a used GPU if they refuse RMA for some reason.
[23:50] <linos> when booting ubuntumate, I' receiving the following message: [FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.  How can I fix this FAILED message?
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> I'm still on LGA1156 on my desktop machine.
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.2 GiB Total (831.1 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (862.3 MiB Free) • Storage: 16.1 GB / 31.8 GB (15.7 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Contr
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> oller • Uptime: 1h 27m 57s
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> This thing is socket 479
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> :P
[23:51] <kran> Thedarkb1-X40 Yes they all work. The only problem is the old parts become more expensive than new ones as they become obsolete and go out of production.
[23:52] <kran> Anyway thanks for all your help guys I know what to do. It was a done deal as soon as I saw it crashing on SLAX and BIOS (NOT an OS issue).
[23:53] <kran> My only question was if it could be memory or CPU related but that's too much of a coincidence. I only changed the video adapter (from dedicated to integrated) so I have to go with that as that's the most likely.
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> Just a small correction, Thedarkb1-X40 Microcode is stored on the CPU in a special on-board memory block. The CPU also has the ability to be updated with new Microcode, however, it only lives inside Volitile memory and must be reflashed at each boot.
[23:56] <Thedarkb1-X40> Well, yeah, it's loaded onto the CPU by the OS though, isn't it?
[23:56] <Thedarkb1-X40> I knew the CPU had microcode in ROM.
[23:57] <Thedarkb1-X40> The strange people in the DIY CPU community sometimes use CF cards for microcode.
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> Thedarkb1-X40: The CPU has it's own microcode preflashed to it in a ROM block. There is a mechnism through the BIOS that an OS can flash an updated Microcode instruction set to the CPU. Though the OS must reflash it each time since it can only live in Volitile memory on the CPU. Without Microcode on the CPU somewhere, the CPU wouldn't function
[23:59] <Baguncinha> oi