[00:23] <bluesabre> I don't think anything does by default, unless you choose system default
[00:23] <bluesabre> ... in the related app
[00:26] <bluesabre> ah, mousepad seems to not be working with that... wonder if the bug is in -settings or mousepad
[00:27] <bluesabre> :\
[00:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: done tidying up bzr branches for catfish, lightdm-gtk-greeter, lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings, menulibre, mugshot, sgt-launcher, and xfpanel-switch
[00:29] <Unit193> Uh, OK?
[00:31] <bluesabre> Part 2 of that statement :D, what's the best way to convert those to git? is it https://github.com/mnauw/git-remote-bzr ?
[00:32] <Unit193> !info bzr-fastimport-plugin
[00:32] <Unit193> Meh!
[00:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: I already did the lightdm-gtk-greeter conversion for you!
[00:32] <bluesabre> Unit193: indeed, but it was out of date last I checked :D
[00:33] <Unit193> Just remember to convert all branches.
[00:36] <bluesabre> ah, so fast-export from bzr and fast-import into git
[00:37] <Unit193> --plain --rewrite-whatever-this-tag-is-that-i-cant-remember-right-now --git-branch=artful
[00:38] <ali1234> bluesabre: no, that's the problem. choosing "system default" causes the app to look at a completely different place than where xfce stores that setting...
[00:39] <ali1234> mousepad has an unrelated bug... if you choose "system default" it uses the system default font but not the system default size
[00:39] <bluesabre> ali1234: gotcha
[00:39] <bluesabre> so it's a nice mess of things :)
[00:43] <ali1234> also if you choose "system default" in mousepad, it just uses "monospace"
[00:43] <ali1234> there "system default" means "fontconfig default" ("monospace" being an alias)
[00:47] <ali1234> on top of that you have the problem where fonts are about 1 pixel bigger using libfreetype from 18.04
[00:47] <ali1234> i have to set my font to 9.5 pt to make it look right
[00:51] <ali1234> pidgin is a complete mess because it seem to use both font settings at the same time in the conversation window, so by default on xubuntu 18.04, normal text uses the xfce default font and any bold text appears in cantrell 11pt. which looks incredibly weird.
[01:11] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built.
[01:24] <bluesabre> lp is lacking git support for most of their project settings
[01:24] <bluesabre> can configure a git branch for the project, but can't connect it to a series or automatic translations without a bzr import
[01:36] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[01:42] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/sgt-launcher is all hooked up with it's git repo and bzr import for auto translations
[02:21] <Unit193> Those builds work around the issue in Ubiquity.
[02:21] <Unit193> Ubiquity, or wherever the *actual* problem is.
[04:09] <flocculant> you want for it to get tested?
[04:10] <Unit193> If you wouldn't mind, I ran i386 and it had no issue.
[04:10] <flocculant> ok - I'll go grab it then 
[04:11] <Unit193> I'm waiting for the all clear from you and emery before I release and seed.
[04:12] <flocculant> okey doke
[04:15] <flocculant> flashing usb now - longest part of this job ...
[04:18] <flocculant> biab
[04:33] <flocculant> Unit193: live worked, install worked, reboot worked, login worked, couple of things I used worked, shutdown worked :)
[04:33] <Unit193> Good enough for me!  32 or 64?
[04:33] <flocculant> quick question - in the favourites for whisker - we have web browser and mail reader - why?
[04:33] <flocculant> 64 bit as you did 32 bit 
[04:33] <Unit193> Because we love them?
[04:34] <flocculant> but not enough to install them?
[04:34] <Unit193> Not in Core, in Desktop we do.  x-d-s is the same.
[04:34] <flocculant> seems a bit odd to have them in the menu if they're not installed
[04:35] <flocculant> *opinion*
[04:35] <flocculant> anyway - seems to work ok :)
[04:36] <flocculant> damn friendly recovery isn't working for me again
[04:36] <flocculant> had to login here to update grub
[10:32] <bluesabre> Also got the daily packaging moved over for sgt-launcher and the daily builds working. Happy with the migration now. https://code.launchpad.net/sgt-launcher/+git :-)
[11:20] <bluesabre> Something that might be fun for this cycle would be investigating snap/flatpak packaging... figure it out once and backports become a piece of cake
[11:35] <bluesabre> ali1234: regarding system mono fonts, we can definitely fix the terminal and mousepad (and settings if something else needs set) and report lots of other bugs, happy to help with moving that along
[11:37] <bluesabre> my main goal this cycle is fix bugs and get them back into bionic
[13:04] <ali1234> bluesabre: i am not sure how to fix it though, tbh
[13:04] <ali1234> it seems to me that there is no cross-platform concept of "system default monospace font"
[13:04] <ali1234> the setting which everything reads is supposed to be private to GNOME
[13:39] <ali1234> i updated the bug description
[13:39] <ali1234> brb
[19:05] <flocculant> ochosi: I have this really distracting issue - not sure how to replicate it as it just happens - clock/date randomly leaves the date wherever the mouse cursor is - highlights the plugin on the panel and hangs around until I mouseover the clock plugin
[19:05] <flocculant> any ideas?
[19:06] <flocculant> other than removing the thing
[20:04] <bluepain_> flocculant, I believe you're talking about the tool-tip which shows up when you hover on date/time plugin right?
[20:05] <albinard> hello
[20:05] <flocculant> bluepain_: yea - which randomly appears where the cursor happens to be 
[20:06] <flocculant> albinard: hey :)
[20:06] <albinard> I just tested the new XubuCore ISO and it passed with flying colors
[20:07] <flocculant> Unit193 will be pleased to see you say that :D
[20:07] <flocculant> I checked it this morning too
[20:08] <Unit193> albinard: Heya!  Was going to email you after I sent something off to the list.  Great!
[20:08] <bluepain_> flocculant, yea, I used to see that before migrating 17.10
[20:08] <bluepain_> what is your current xfce4-datetime-plugin version?
[20:08] <bluepain_> maybe this problem has been fixed in recent commits?
[20:09] <bluepain_> mine is Version: 0.7.0-1ubuntu1
[20:09] <Unit193> xfce4-datetime-plugin doesn't really have a use considering the panel's clock has all the functionality.
[20:10] <Unit193> However, the version hasn't changed in Bionic from Artful.
[20:10] <flocculant> datetime-plugin doesn't appear to be installed
[20:10] <albinard> It is on mine
[20:11] <flocculant> I just have clock in the panel
[20:11] <albinard> But I did install xfce4-goodies
[20:12] <bluepain_> is it possible to have date/clock info in the panel without xfce4-datetime-plugin?
[20:12] <flocculant> obviously is :)
[20:14] <bluepain_> now I started to being suspicious about my knowledge, so what does xfce4-datetime-plugin do in the panel?
[20:14] <flocculant> no idea - don't use it :D
[20:16] <bluepain_> so which application is providing this (https://ibb.co/j7SpmJ) information?
[20:16] <flocculant> Clock here
[20:16] <albinard> Gives date and time in permanent display, day of week if you mouse-over, calendar if you click
[20:17] <flocculant> thought that orage
[20:17] <bluepain_> i don't use orage
[20:17] <bluepain_> i don't have it installed actually
[20:18] <Unit193> Clock does all that which you say.
[20:18] <flocculant> ^^
[20:19] <flocculant> anyway - I'm kind of expecting it to be some gtk3 chicanery from ppa
[20:20] <albinard> It isn't new - been using it for years
[20:21] <bluepain_> I know this is off-topic but I'm not gonna be able to sleep if I can't find any answer this, why do I have installed xfce4-datetime-plugin in my PC :D?
[20:21] <bluepain_> I read the webpage (http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-datetime-plugin)
[20:22] <bluepain_> And couldn't found any plugin such as "DateTime" in the panel items
[20:27] <flocculant> clock on the left, date-time on the right https://i.imgur.com/udbv0lO.png
[20:27] <Unit193> albinard: Again, thanks!
[20:27] <Unit193> You have mail.
[20:28] <bluepain_> flocculant, weird, coz I don't have this plugin in panel items.
[20:29] <bluepain_> but it is installed 
[20:29] <bluepain_> nevermind
[20:29] <albinard> Unit193: Got it, and thank you for the mention!
[20:29] <Unit193> Heh, of course!
[20:29] <bluepain_> Never had that :D 
[20:30] <albinard> Now I'm off to play with my new Core installation
[20:30] <flocculant> :)
[20:34] <flocculant> Unit193: I've added Core to the tracker - same as before, version is cosmic so it doesn't clear daily
[20:35] <Unit193> OK, sounds great.
[20:35] <flocculant> do we still want the 2 tasksel options?
[20:35] <flocculant> if not I can disable them so we just have the iso one
[20:35] <Unit193> tasksel is the *official* way to install it, but...
[20:36] <flocculant> we only seem to have people using the iso?
[20:37] <flocculant> I'd probably suggest just disabling them for the moment, if we get a built iso the official way we can easily enough revisit that
[20:38] <flocculant> and if we do want to keep the tasksel ones - the testcases need a good looking at ... 
[20:38] <Unit193> Heh, likely true, yeah.
[20:39] <flocculant> shall I disable them?
[20:39] <Unit193> I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask, but...Sure?
[20:39] <flocculant> gah
[20:39] <flocculant> ok :)
[20:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: pondering pacvkage tracker again for 'some' cycles - got an opinion?
[20:41] <flocculant> Unit193: ok - done that now for better or worse
[20:42] <flocculant> up the wooden hill for me now - night all
[20:42] <Unit193> I may not have mentioned it, https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html has cosmic.
[20:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: so you wanna focus on bugfixes for 18.10? (to some extent makes sense, i actually thought we were gonna focus on pushing as much xfce-gtk3 in as arguable)
[23:44] <bluesabre> flocculant: not opposed
[23:45] <bluesabre> ochosi: https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/xubuntu-18.10 is what I've contemplated so far
[23:46] <bluesabre> also not opposed to shipping some more gtk3 bits
[23:46] <Unit193> Depends which ones.
[23:50] <bluesabre> Unit193: have a preference?
[23:51] <Unit193> I have a hard no to xfwm4, that's really hit and miss for people.  I have other opinions, but that one is a certain.
[23:52] <bluesabre> I'd agree with that
[23:53] <Unit193> I'm never fond of touching thunar, and thusly not so keen on xfdesktop, but I think otherwise...
[23:53] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, fix that xfsettingsd bug first.  Then that'll be fine. :P
[23:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: which one?
[23:54] <Unit193> Guy in -dev was talking about it.
[23:54] <Unit193> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381
[23:55] <Unit193> BUt I'm running everything in the ppa except for: thunar, xfce4-systemload-plugin, xfdesktop4