[03:26] <JoeD> Need help with sed command
[06:40] <ducasse> good morning
[06:59] <guiverc> Howdy ducasse
[07:00] <JimBuntu> Happy Saturday!
[07:00] <ducasse> morning guiverc - having a good weekend, i hope?
[07:01] <ducasse> and the same to you, JimBuntu :)
[07:03] <guiverc> thanks & yeah (of course!) ducasse.  :) JimBuntu
[07:03] <JimBuntu> ducasse, The weekend is going OK so far. Rain yesterday prevented my planned outdoor festivities (fire and food), and looks like the same for today. You?
[07:09] <ducasse> was raining here too yesterday, but not today. trying to make plans for the day, possibly taking a walk on the woods.
[07:10] <ducasse> any plans for the day, JimBuntu?
[07:12] <JimBuntu> Possibly grocery shopping, since Sunday is Mothers Day and am going to the in-laws. Hope to have a fire tonight, with or without cooking over the fire... I should swap out a magnetic drive for SSD on a machine but I'll probably prove too lazy.
[07:15] <ducasse> i know how that is, if it's not a full alarm it's far too easy to put off
[07:16] <JimBuntu> Yup, and other than the expected speed improvements, I have no need to replace the HDD... so it sits. If I go shopping, then I think I will look at picking up a new KB, even though I know I will probably decide NOT to buy it locally and instead opt for Amazon.
[07:18] <ducasse> i can heartily recommend das keyboard, very happy with mine
[07:21] <JimBuntu> Looks nice - https://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-professional/
[07:21] <JimBuntu> I have not had a USB KB with USB-A ports in so long
[07:21] <ducasse> that's the model i have
[07:24] <JimBuntu> das 4 ultimate, in all black, no lettering, lol. That actually has a nice look to it
[07:26] <ducasse> i thought about getting it with no lettering, but thought it was a bit much :)
[07:27] <JimBuntu> $20 USD more, for no lettering, meh. Looking at the 5Q.... I could either buy that or buy a cheap recliner... while I would use the snot out of the connectivity of the 5Q... I would prefer a new recliner
[07:29] <JanC> just buy a decent keyboard
[07:32] <JanC> seems like DAS Keyboard finally designed a somewhat usable keyboard though
[07:32] <Tegu> keyboards with analog sensors are the thing now
[07:33] <JimBuntu> lol, I literally have a huge box of keyboards in the attic... they are mostly PS2 (with some AT) though
[07:33] <JanC> I looked at DAS Keyboard in the past, and they used to lack basic features in the past
[07:34] <JanC> seems like nowadays they finally support volume keys and such  :P
[07:35] <JimBuntu> now they have a volume roller
[07:35] <JimBuntu> knob
[07:35] <Tegu> this one has analog keys  https://www.wooting.nl/
[07:35] <JanC> yeah, that's a way to support that
[07:36] <JimBuntu> The volume knob sure isn't new, in general
[07:36] <JanC> I think older DAS keyboards didn't have volume keys
[07:38] <JanC> or maybe last time I looked :)
[07:40] <JimBuntu> While I like the wooting one... it lacks the numpad... even if I do have a USB one laying aroung somewhere.
[07:41]  * JimBuntu wonders if the external USB numpad will work correctly for CTRL+ALT+1/2/3/etc window positioning
[07:41] <JanC> lacking a numpad is another failure of course
[07:44] <JanC> I used to pay more for Cherry keyboards, but nowadays their regular keyboards aren't as good any more  :-/
[07:45] <JimBuntu> Is it bad of me to be picky about the Enter vs. Return symbolism? lol
[07:45] <JanC> as long as it uses 2 rows  :P
[07:46] <JimBuntu> a 2-row key... sounds like a carriage return
[07:46] <JanC> no, it's named Enter here  :)
[07:47] <JanC> and that's on a cheap Logitech keyboard even
[07:47] <JimBuntu> CR's were traditional 2-row, while Enter keys were traditional single row, not that it really matters much today. Only select software even recognizes the difference between the two types.
[07:48] <Tegu> some sciense behind activation point.  http://userinterfaces.aalto.fi/impact_activation/resources/impact-activation_CameraReady.pdf    quite interesting and surprising to me. but I guess I'd wait for further research
[07:48] <Tegu> science*
[07:48] <JanC> it's actually a US vs. Europe thing AFAIK  :)
[07:49] <JimBuntu> Nah, they are different keys. CR are carry-over from type-writers
[07:51] <JanC> you might want to consider international typewriter differences  :)
[07:51] <JimBuntu> That's true too, even in the same language... worse in differing languages
[07:52] <JanC> we've always had two-row enter/return
[07:53] <JimBuntu> I always remembered it as 2-row = \r\n, 1-row = \n  ... but again, that's not how things play out in reality
[07:54] <JanC> definitely not on any keyboard AFAIK
[07:55] <JimBuntu> JanC, that's where things get complicated... the keyboard is only input, the OS decides what to do with the input
[07:55] <JimBuntu> s/OS/kernel-and-etc
[07:55] <JanC> oh, of course
[07:56] <JimBuntu> lol, I can see it now... I'm at the big-box-store with a special USB device checking each keyboard for the signals being sent by the enter button... yup, sure wont lead to me being banned from another store, not in the slightest
[07:56] <Tegu> aka a keylogger? :D
[07:57] <Tegu> not any suspicious to walk around with one
[07:58] <JanC> USB keyboards should work correctly, or otherwise you can return them
[07:58]  * JimBuntu used to take SD cards so they could check out PDAs... 
[07:59] <JanC> remember USB has a standardised HID API
[08:00] <JimBuntu> I would need to check the HID, but it should still remember /r and /n as being distinct
[08:00] <JanC> eh
[08:04] <JimBuntu> HID has Return and Enter, I would have to cross-check that the enter listed isn't specifically the numpad enter
[08:04] <JimBuntu> ooooh, it has a XOR key
[08:07] <JimBuntu> HID allows for a Return, an Enter and an ambiguous "Return(ENTER)", lol
[08:07] <JimBuntu> Note to self: Appendix A references Appendix A.
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:00] <Lin-Buo-Ren> I'd like to share my shell script template project: https://github.com/Lin-Buo-Ren/GNU-Bash-Shell-Script-Template
[12:01] <Lin-Buo-Ren> It can be integrated with XDG-complianted desktop's "New Document" submenu
[13:47] <Vinocamp> question, i have a server with dual xeon 5690 cpy, 96 gig of ram, should i install ubuntu server basic then all other machine/lamp be running on vm?
[19:37] <oerheks> grinn, vlc 3.0.1-0-gec0f700fcc ..
[19:37] <kostkon> ppa?
[19:38] <oerheks> no, arch/manjaro version
[19:38] <kostkon> really? wtf
[19:42] <oerheks> not ubuntu, the snap version gives VLC media player 3.0.1 Vetinari (revision 3.0.1-4-g14a4897)
[20:09] <bugzie> leftyfb: I've been reading, do you tell others to be off-topic for sake of giving you room to be off-topic?
[21:09] <SlidingHorn> el: *that's* the "solution"?  Someone is consistently a problem, disregarding the rules & CoC and your response - instead of removing them - is "stop engaging them"?
[21:10]  * SlidingHorn is beginning to think the ops just don't care anymore
[21:10] <el> i'm not disregarding the situation
[21:10] <el> we're not just going to sit down to a situation and obey the loudest person
[21:11] <SlidingHorn> el: it's been a consistent issue for well over a month now.
[21:11] <leftyfb> El: it's the same situation over and over again . You know this
[21:11] <el> and you've constantly been making the situation worse so yes i am having to pick it apart slowly
[21:11] <leftyfb> Useless
[21:12] <SlidingHorn> el: I'm not sure how giving reminders of the rules before (multiple times) before finally giving up and calling ops in is "making the situation worse"
[21:12] <SlidingHorn> to me that sounds like de-escalation attempts
[21:14] <SlidingHorn> what's making matters worse, is the fact that there have been essentially no consequences, leading the offender to believe they can do whatever they want (and, honestly, that attitude, as you can see in main right now, spreads)
[21:15] <el> neither a ban nor a quiet nor a kick will keep this person away
[21:15] <pauljw> ignore works a treat!!
[21:16] <SlidingHorn> ignoring allows them to dole bad information to users.
[21:17] <pauljw> that can be el's problem
[21:17] <SlidingHorn> it becomes everyone's problem when they instruct users to do something that damages their system and they come back angry and others are left to pick up those pieces
[21:20] <leftyfb> El: yeah, that's a way better solution. Working out great isn't it?
[21:20] <leftyfb> Doing nothing
[21:20] <el> stop being toxic
[21:20] <leftyfb> And there it is
[21:20] <bugzie> I will evade that ban btw
[21:20] <SlidingHorn> ^^
[21:20] <bugzie> Might as well ban me here too
[21:23] <leftyfb> At least we don't have to listen to him here now
[21:23] <Bashing-om> good :) ^
[21:23] <pauljw> :)
[21:23] <SlidingHorn> wait...you're op'd here??
[21:24] <oerheks> SlidingHorn, members have ops in most of the ubuntu channels, except #ubuntu itself
[21:24] <SlidingHorn> ah
[21:25] <leftyfb> Yes, I've known about it for a while now, but I didn't want to boot him from here because he would have just focused his efforts on the main channel and that causes more problems. But since the other channel is completely useless as far as ops goe, I've basically given up
[21:28] <SlidingHorn> on another note - I think ubottu needs restarted.  Ops call didn't respond, and when I use the !ot command, it told the ops that in -ops that I'd called them
[21:29] <leftyfb> does it matter?
[21:29] <SlidingHorn> leftyfb: If I'm choosing to be optimistic about the response?  Sure.
[21:35] <el> he has been removed multiple times
[21:35] <el> uh wc
[21:48] <leftyfb> DalekSec: Thank you
[23:02] <oerheks> oops tgm4883 :-D
[23:02] <tgm4883> oerheks: obvious trolls are obvious
[23:03] <oerheks> meh, just a lonely guy
[23:04] <SlidingHorn> lol
[23:08] <tgm4883> oerheks: maybe, but questions like that generally end up one of two ways. 1) They argue about how <insert their preferred distro> is better in some way or 2) They actually install Ubuntu, then come back complaining about how they can't do <insert some random weird niche thing they can do on their other distro>. Rarely does someone come here asking that question truthfully. Most of the time those that actually are wondering will install
[23:08] <tgm4883> Ubuntu and test it one way or another