| OvenWerks | ErichEickmeyer: maybe add that to next meetings discusion | 03:35 |
|---|---|---|
| ErichEickmeyer | OvenWerks: Done | 05:15 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay, time to give this bot a whirl... | 19:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Sat May 12 19:00:14 2018 UTC. The chair is ErichEickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 19:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #chair ErichEickmeyer | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer | 19:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #chair eylul | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer eylul | 19:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #chair krytarik | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer eylul krytarik | 19:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #chair captain-tux_ | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer captain-tux_ eylul krytarik | 19:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #chair OvenWerks | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux_ eylul krytarik | 19:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #chair sakrecoe1 | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: ErichEickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux_ eylul krytarik sakrecoe1 | 19:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Anybody else here? | 19:01 |
| OvenWerks | WOW, I have never used meeting-whatever before | 19:01 |
| ErichEickmeyer | LOL | 19:01 |
| krytarik | It accepts multiple nicks at once btw. | 19:01 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Good to know. | 19:01 |
| ErichEickmeyer | How is everyone? | 19:02 |
| OvenWerks | yes, very how. | 19:03 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Such what, very how, super where. Wow. | 19:03 |
| SlidingHorn | I'm here - sorry | 19:04 |
| captain-tux_ | #aggree | 19:04 |
| SlidingHorn | wasn't paying attention | 19:04 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay, not seeing eylul or SlidingHorn just yet, and the first item is involving them, so .... oh, there's SlidingHorn | 19:04 |
| ErichEickmeyer | o | 19:04 |
| ErichEickmeyer | o/ | 19:04 |
| SlidingHorn | o/ | 19:04 |
| captain-tux_ | Oops | 19:04 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay, so here comes the first topic: | 19:04 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #topic New Website Theme (Eylul, SlidingHorn) | 19:05 |
| ErichEickmeyer | So, how's the progress on that, SlidingHorn? | 19:05 |
| SlidingHorn | Unfortunately I haven't gotten anywhere on that, my apologies. | 19:06 |
| SlidingHorn | I'm not aware of what exactly needs to be done, however | 19:06 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Well, it's really a matter of migrating the theme on eylul's site to ubuntustudio.com. | 19:06 |
| ErichEickmeyer | And maybe getting some photos on there as well. | 19:07 |
| ErichEickmeyer | As for the rest, she has more info. | 19:07 |
| ErichEickmeyer | We can table that topic for now if you'd like. | 19:07 |
| SlidingHorn | Okay, I'll make a point of contacting eylul within the next 24 hours to get that moving | 19:07 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay, cool. I think if we got that theme going, we'd make a very public statement that we're making progress and moving forward. | 19:08 |
| OvenWerks | I don't think eylul has been around... some of what we were saying yesterday should have gotten a comment... | 19:08 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Yeah. I'm sure she'll turn up. | 19:09 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Probably busy. Happens. | 19:09 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Let's move on. | 19:09 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #topic Desktop Environments | 19:09 |
| ErichEickmeyer | OvenWerks: Loved your review of Plasma. Expressed my sentiments very well. | 19:10 |
| OvenWerks | I think we should see if we can add a ubuntustudio-plasma meta to our repo. | 19:11 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Agreed. I honestly think that should be our first addition, and maybe stick with Xfce as the default. | 19:12 |
| OvenWerks | We should probably rename the current one to ubuntustudio-xfce | 19:12 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Yeah. That'd be a good idea. | 19:12 |
| OvenWerks | we could then take the current name and point it at one or the other as default. | 19:12 |
| ErichEickmeyer | A transitional dummy package. | 19:12 |
| OvenWerks | probably not transitional, but as a way to point people at the default who have no idea what xfce or plasma mean | 19:13 |
| eylul | *sneaks in to the room* | 19:13 |
| OvenWerks | o/ | 19:14 |
| * ErichEickmeyer notices a wild eylul appears | 19:14 | |
| ErichEickmeyer | Quick! Get me a pokeball! | 19:14 |
| captain-tux_ | (stealth check failed) | 19:14 |
| eylul | :) oh dear. | 19:14 |
| ErichEickmeyer | haha | 19:14 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Welcome! | 19:14 |
| SlidingHorn | *natural 1* | 19:14 |
| * eylul quickly catches up to the backlog | 19:14 | |
| ErichEickmeyer | ROFL | 19:15 |
| eylul | and please continue the discussion don't let me disrupt the meeting. sorry for being late | 19:15 |
| ErichEickmeyer | No worries. | 19:15 |
| ErichEickmeyer | OvenWerks: Do you think you could take the kubuntu-settings-desktop package and modify it to be more "Studio" like? Simply put, wallpaper and start button. | 19:16 |
| OvenWerks | ErichEickmeyer: I will try... | 19:17 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay, cool. | 19:17 |
| OvenWerks | I have both a bzr -controls and a git -controls sitting here and will try converting the LP version to git. | 19:17 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #info OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package. | 19:18 |
| ErichEickmeyer | (may have misused that command) | 19:18 |
| OvenWerks | I will try starting the plasma as git. | 19:18 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Perfect. That would get us migrated easier, I think. | 19:18 |
| krytarik | That's #action | 19:18 |
| OvenWerks | I was about to say that... | 19:18 |
| krytarik | #undo | 19:18 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: INFO | 19:18 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #action OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package. | 19:18 |
| meetingology | ACTION: OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package. | 19:18 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Awesome. So, I think we've established our first alternate environment. Should we stick with Xfce by default for now? | 19:19 |
| OvenWerks | We have time to decide that when we have a working plasma desktop... | 19:20 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Cool. Let's roll forward with ubuntustudio-plasma and decide whether xfce or plasma will be default in 18.10 at a later time. | 19:21 |
| OvenWerks | So yes default stays xfce, unless we vote something else | 19:21 |
| eylul | honestly considering timelines... even if we planned to switch defaults, 6 months really isn't a long time :) | 19:21 |
| ErichEickmeyer | That's true. Maybe we make the Plasma alternate and consider changing default for 19.04? | 19:21 |
| OvenWerks | right, but if we get to beta with either or being able to load... it would be a choice. | 19:22 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Right. That's a choice we can put into the installer via radio button dialog, I think. | 19:22 |
| eylul | *nods* | 19:23 |
| ErichEickmeyer | The ISO will have to have a default, however. I think for size sake, Xfce is a safe default still. | 19:23 |
| eylul | you know.... | 19:23 |
| eylul | and I am putting this out here, just as a long term idea because we definitely don't have the packaging-testing power at the moment but... | 19:24 |
| eylul | we could possibly perhaps maybe have ISOs with both? so people can download what they want. *ducks the incoming objects from multiple directions* | 19:24 |
| ErichEickmeyer | If we have the manpower... | 19:25 |
| OvenWerks | eylul: how far do we go with that? | 19:25 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I know Lubuntu did this for a while with LXQt, and they have a similar staffing situation to us. | 19:25 |
| OvenWerks | how many iso should we keep? | 19:25 |
| eylul | this could be a good idea if we had 2 DEs. probably a very bad idea for all 5 of them. | 19:25 |
| OvenWerks | right. | 19:26 |
| eylul | I wouldn't offer this if not for glowing review of plasma from OvenWerks. usually his and my user cases are very different so it makes me hopeful about it | 19:26 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Well, let's look at it like this: The top two default desktops for multimedia creation are Xfce (probably because of Studio) and Plasma (KXStudio, Fedora Jam) | 19:26 |
| OvenWerks | while I would suggest that budgie, cinnamon, cnome are not suited as defaults, there is not reason not to offer them as install time options. | 19:26 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I can agree with that. | 19:27 |
| OvenWerks | MATE, xfce and plasma are doable. | 19:27 |
| ErichEickmeyer | So, then that begs the question about new desktops: Plasma for 18.10 and then add MATE for 19.04? | 19:28 |
| OvenWerks | unless lxqt basically takes over the xfce world in the next few years... I don't know that it would be worth spending time on right now. | 19:28 |
| eylul | I am just hoping maybe having a separate ISO would get people to try it out and test it beyond the regular testing process. | 19:28 |
| eylul | ah | 19:29 |
| ErichEickmeyer | eylul: That's exactly what Lubuntu did with Lubuntu-Next for LXQt, so I don't see why we can't do it. | 19:29 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Especially since I'm working relatively closely with tsimonq2. | 19:29 |
| * eylul nods at OvenWerks | 19:29 | |
| krytarik | Notice that they never actually *released* the LXQt until now though. | 19:30 |
| eylul | ErichEickmeyer: this might be a good route IF we decide that something other than XFCE is the new default | 19:30 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I didn't mean we'd do UbuntuStudio-Next. I mean we'd do UbuntuStudio-XFCE and UbuntuStudio-Plasma. | 19:30 |
| OvenWerks | It would not be hard to have two iso if 32bit is gone. | 19:30 |
| ErichEickmeyer | That's a good point, too! | 19:31 |
| OvenWerks | the installer bit would have to be part of the desktop meta. | 19:32 |
| OvenWerks | (it would be different for each iso) | 19:32 |
| ErichEickmeyer | As long as we can get the metapackages sorted out, it should fall into place. | 19:33 |
| ErichEickmeyer | BTW, related: until MyPaint gets upgraded, our ISOs are going to continue to fail to build. | 19:33 |
| OvenWerks | I don't see anything upstream for that. | 19:34 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I'll work with the release team on perhaps getting a git snapshot, which was suggested by jbicha. | 19:34 |
| * OvenWerks is not watching their dev work closely | 19:34 | |
| ErichEickmeyer | Either that, or we'll have to remove MyPaint from default. | 19:35 |
| OvenWerks | our graphics meta fails to load as well | 19:35 |
| ErichEickmeyer | That's because of the GIMP-MyPaint discrepency. | 19:35 |
| OvenWerks | right | 19:35 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Anyhow... | 19:35 |
| eylul | it does look like the code is updated at least. so the work is ongoing | 19:36 |
| eylul | (sorry was checking their forums and github for any progress* | 19:36 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #action Erich to work on GIMP-MyPaint conflict with release team. | 19:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Erich to work on GIMP-MyPaint conflict with release team. | 19:36 |
| ErichEickmeyer | So, did we reach the decision on adding Plasma as the first alternate desktop? | 19:37 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I'm in favor. | 19:37 |
| krytarik | +1 | 19:37 |
| SlidingHorn | +1 | 19:37 |
| eylul | +1 | 19:37 |
| * OvenWerks seconds | 19:37 | |
| SlidingHorn | sd | 19:37 |
| SlidingHorn | (sorry was wiping off my keyboard) | 19:38 |
| OvenWerks | looks like a vote | 19:38 |
| ErichEickmeyer | That looks like a majority if not unity. | 19:38 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #agreed Adding KDE Plasma as first alternate desktop environment in 18.10 | 19:38 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay, with that, we'll drop the survey idea. | 19:39 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Anyhow, let's move this along. | 19:39 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #topic Wallpapers | 19:39 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #subtopic Targeting PNG format vs JPEG for submissions | 19:39 |
| ErichEickmeyer | OvenWerks: Can you fill us in on this one? | 19:40 |
| OvenWerks | I can try... | 19:40 |
| OvenWerks | because of the hurry at the end of last cycle, we ended up with a backdrop we were going to add that was JPG. and required changing two packages. | 19:41 |
| OvenWerks | we should probably avoid this in the future by settling on a format to use | 19:41 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Agreed. PNG seems like the logical solution. | 19:42 |
| eylul | my main concern at least with this wallpaper was that the png file ended up being huge | 19:42 |
| OvenWerks | it seems to me in the past PNG was specified for contest entries and defaults. | 19:42 |
| eylul | the wallpapers from the contest seemed to be a mix, the defaults are created as vector. I am not against png as default. I am just not sure at which point | 19:43 |
| OvenWerks | My main question is how do the two formats deal quality wise with sizing? | 19:43 |
| eylul | what do you mean OvenWerks? | 19:43 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Isn't PNG basically lossless compression? | 19:43 |
| OvenWerks | everyone has different screen sizes, | 19:43 |
| OvenWerks | resizing affects png too | 19:43 |
| eylul | ErichEickmeyer: not sure it scales up when the original is not a vector art | 19:44 |
| OvenWerks | a hw screen has an exact number of pixels. | 19:44 |
| OvenWerks | So the backdrop is resized on the fly I would guess | 19:44 |
| OvenWerks | this might mean a jpg would actually resize better. | 19:45 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Well, then, what if we had both? | 19:45 |
| * OvenWerks doesn't know how closely graphics is to audio in this respect. | 19:46 | |
| OvenWerks | the reason we want one to be default is that we only have to change one package to set default not two (or three) | 19:46 |
| eylul | could we modify the script | 19:46 |
| ErichEickmeyer | TBH, svg is the most scalable, but that's not common for wallpapers. | 19:47 |
| eylul | so that we can specify the file type on one package? | 19:47 |
| eylul | Also Erich we would still have to have started with a vector art to use that. | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know how plasma deals with this, but xfce needs the file name in a certian place | 19:47 |
| eylul | yes auto-trace got a lot better, but not quite that good :) | 19:47 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Plasma also needs the files in a certain place, but I had great luck with symbolic links for the wallpapers. | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | we do specify the type in one package... but we keep the image in another. | 19:48 |
| * eylul is testing exact file sizes of png output again while talking. | 19:48 | |
| ErichEickmeyer | Xfce looks in /usr/share/backgrounds, plasma looks in /usr/share/wallpapers | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | link would fix that. | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | and plasma would handle a full path. | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | (same with xfce) | 19:49 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Yep. All I did was 'ln -s /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio/* /usr/share/wallpapers/* | 19:49 |
| OvenWerks | now if we could use wildcards image.* that would be fine, but I don't think so. | 19:50 |
| eylul | well.. we now have time to test it out | 19:50 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Yeah. Let's test this and report back next meeting? | 19:50 |
| eylul | also.. speaking of testing we should probably test that the high res image (png or jpeg) is not bogging down a low end system. | 19:50 |
| ErichEickmeyer | How low are you talking? | 19:51 |
| OvenWerks | the path to image has to be in the -desktop-DE meta but the images should be in a package common to both. | 19:51 |
| eylul | how low do we support I honestly have no idea if this would be an issue or not. | 19:51 |
| OvenWerks | eylul: I don't think that is a problem, the image gets resized once on load? | 19:51 |
| eylul | the image is over 5MB for each screen (6-7 for png) not sure if it is a problem or not. | 19:52 |
| eylul | ah | 19:52 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Well, as I've said before, if you're running many of our apps you either have a higher-end system or have unworldly amounts of patience. | 19:52 |
| eylul | :D | 19:52 |
| OvenWerks | ErichEickmeyer: yes but... | 19:52 |
| OvenWerks | screen size is not the same thing | 19:52 |
| ErichEickmeyer | That's true. | 19:52 |
| eylul | also the problem is that we are putting a very large image for even someone who has 1/4th area of the screen. | 19:53 |
| OvenWerks | There are both lower power/memory systems than mine with higher rez screens and more powerful ones with lower rez.. | 19:53 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Yeah, and it has to render that every time the desktop is shown. That adds up to problematic quickly. | 19:53 |
| eylul | exactly | 19:54 |
| ErichEickmeyer | So, do we, say, go roughly 720 and scale up, or meet somewhere in the middle at 1080? | 19:54 |
| eylul | Erich for context, I am on a 4K screen. | 19:55 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I'm on a 1080. | 19:55 |
| eylul | that's double of a 1080p on each dimension | 19:55 |
| OvenWerks | 1920x1080? | 19:55 |
| eylul | :D | 19:55 |
| ErichEickmeyer | My former system was 1280x800. | 19:55 |
| OvenWerks | I think that was what we were looking for last time | 19:55 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Before that I had a system at 1366x768. | 19:55 |
| OvenWerks | mine are 1600x900 | 19:56 |
| eylul | *nods* a lot of newer laptops are 1920 or HiDPI through. it is a lot more common than it was 2-3 years ago. :) | 19:56 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Then, set 1080 as a target? | 19:56 |
| OvenWerks | gotta compete with apple... | 19:56 |
| OvenWerks | I think that is still valid | 19:56 |
| ErichEickmeyer | But, this still has the question of whether PNG or JPG. Would the two of you be able to test and report back by next meeting? | 19:57 |
| eylul | we can go with png. it is not a problem. | 19:57 |
| eylul | I just need to know how much MB size I can go with before we start bogging down systems badly. | 19:58 |
| eylul | and I am not sure how to check that. | 19:58 |
| eylul | it might be that we don't need to worry and that a few MB sized wallpaper is perfectly fine | 19:58 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Most low-end systems handle PNG fairly gracefully, in my experience. | 19:58 |
| eylul | which size is the question here. ;) | 19:58 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay, so we'll go with PNG, and size TBD? | 19:59 |
| eylul | which file size. yes | 19:59 |
| eylul | as in if we have a maximum or not | 19:59 |
| OvenWerks | eylul: in a 20inch screen is there that much noticable difference from 1920x1020 and 4k? | 19:59 |
| eylul | I'll look for background but on browser | 20:00 |
| eylul | I definitely notice stuff that is low rez | 20:00 |
| ErichEickmeyer | On my 42-inch 1080 screen at work, I can definitely see pixelation, but that makes sense. | 20:00 |
| eylul | *nods* | 20:01 |
| OvenWerks | 42 inch is too big for my desk... | 20:01 |
| * OvenWerks can't land f18s on it either... | 20:01 | |
| ErichEickmeyer | Yeah, but I make videos for a living, so having something native is good. | 20:01 |
| ErichEickmeyer | So, should we table this for more testing? | 20:02 |
| eylul | yeah | 20:02 |
| * eylul wishes had space for a 42" screen. | 20:03 | |
| OvenWerks | it would be possible to have default and optional. | 20:03 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay. eylul and OvenWerks to do testing? | 20:03 |
| OvenWerks | I can do a bit, but my screens are small and low res | 20:03 |
| eylul | *nods* I'll check what things look like on my screen if they are low rez. I think what I need is someone to make sure the current ones I did post are not causing overhead | 20:04 |
| eylul | too badly when used. | 20:04 |
| ErichEickmeyer | OvenWerks can check higher on low, and eylul can check lower on high. | 20:04 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Perfect comparison. | 20:04 |
| eylul | the ones I did link were high resolution. :) | 20:04 |
| OvenWerks | of course 8k is "future proof" for a bit longer :) | 20:04 |
| eylul | so if they don't cause problems then we don't have a problem. | 20:04 |
| eylul | is there 8K screens out there outside of large displays? | 20:05 |
| eylul | ;) | 20:05 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #action eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back. | 20:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back. | 20:05 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #agreed Using PNG as default format for wallpapers | 20:06 |
| ErichEickmeyer | We need to move this along. | 20:06 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #topic Welcome App & Software Boutique | 20:06 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I'm just going to give a brief status update on this one. | 20:06 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I'm working with tsimonq2 on forking ubuntu-mate-welcome since we can collaborate. He's doing it for Lubuntu, I'm doing it for Studio. It's up to Wimpress, but I have the feeling he could give us tips along the way if needed. | 20:08 |
| ErichEickmeyer | So, that's part of the flavor collaboration we've got going on. | 20:08 |
| OvenWerks | budgie uses it too. | 20:08 |
| eylul | \o/ | 20:09 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Yep, and bashfulrobot is probably a good resource as well. | 20:09 |
| ErichEickmeyer | So, with that, since this is a project I'm focusing on, I'll take this one on. | 20:09 |
| OvenWerks | I notice it is a snap package and that the mounted patitions remain after the app is closed. | 20:09 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #action ErichEickmeyer to work with tsimonq on ubuntustudio-welcome and ubuntustudio-software-boutique in collaboration with Lubuntu, with Budgie (bashfulrobot) and MATE (Wimpress) as possible additional resources. | 20:10 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ErichEickmeyer to work with tsimonq on ubuntustudio-welcome and ubuntustudio-software-boutique in collaboration with Lubuntu, with Budgie (bashfulrobot) and MATE (Wimpress) as possible additional resources. | 20:10 |
| ErichEickmeyer | OvenWerks: I'll ask Wimpress about that. Chances are he'll see this. | 20:11 |
| eylul | ErichEickmeyer: question, would having 2DEs duplicate your work or one package will be usable for both plasma and XFCE? | 20:11 |
| ErichEickmeyer | One package would be usable for both. | 20:11 |
| eylul | nice :) | 20:11 |
| OvenWerks | no problem, snap may do some of this at boot too for all I know. | 20:11 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, that would work for as many as we ever have. | 20:12 |
| ErichEickmeyer | It's pretty desktop-independent. | 20:12 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Anyhow... we're running a bit overtime, so... | 20:12 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #topic Next Meeting | 20:12 |
| ErichEickmeyer | As you saw from the email, I'm not available next week. We can take the week off or I can write-up an agenda and one of you runs the meeing. Thoughts? | 20:13 |
| OvenWerks | just a general caution. check any package before uploading to make sure it has not changed from bzr to git. | 20:13 |
| OvenWerks | A week off would not hurt. I have stuff to do. | 20:14 |
| ErichEickmeyer | OvenWerks: Absolutely. I think it's more of a base than a fork. :) | 20:14 |
| OvenWerks | I am available on the 26 though | 20:15 |
| SlidingHorn | I would actually be gone next weekend as well, most likely | 20:16 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I should be available on the 26th as well. Memorial day weekend, and my family will be in Idaho. | 20:16 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay. eylul, thoughts? | 20:16 |
| eylul | I wouldn't mind a break. | 20:16 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Cool. | 20:16 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #agreed Next meeting will be May 26th | 20:16 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Alright. That's all I've got. Any additional items? | 20:16 |
| eylul | I was going to ask if Slidinghorn or anyone else wants to co-manage the mastodon account. | 20:17 |
| eylul | so that we can be more active there. Just asking because I need to share the account info with you. | 20:17 |
| eylul | if that is the case | 20:17 |
| SlidingHorn | eylul: Sure | 20:17 |
| ErichEickmeyer | That reminds me, I have yet to make the Telegram group. | 20:18 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #topic Additional Items | 20:18 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #action SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account. | 20:18 |
| meetingology | ACTION: SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account. | 20:18 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #action ErichEickmeyer will continue to investigate Telegram and Telegram-IRC bridge. | 20:19 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ErichEickmeyer will continue to investigate Telegram and Telegram-IRC bridge. | 20:19 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Anything else? | 20:19 |
| eylul | not from me. | 20:19 |
| captain-tux_ | No | 20:19 |
| OvenWerks | -controls has not really moved porting to git today. | 20:19 |
| ErichEickmeyer | That's okay. Still working on that? | 20:20 |
| OvenWerks | I have the fun of getting it on to launchpad. | 20:20 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Joy. /s | 20:20 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Unless you weren't being sarcastic with the "fun" | 20:21 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #action OvenWerks to continue to get ubuntustudio-controls migrated to git. | 20:21 |
| meetingology | ACTION: OvenWerks to continue to get ubuntustudio-controls migrated to git. | 20:21 |
| OvenWerks | it was a one linner to get it to git on my system. | 20:21 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Wow! That's.. incredible! | 20:21 |
| OvenWerks | some of the links in the instructions are bad though :P | 20:22 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Hmmm.... Documentation. :/ | 20:22 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Anyhow, shall we adjourn or do we have any other items to discuss? | 20:23 |
| OvenWerks | I guess I can bug it. | 20:23 |
| OvenWerks | was that a move? | 20:23 |
| ErichEickmeyer | I move to adjourn. Second? | 20:23 |
| OvenWerks | o/ | 20:23 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Okay. Meeting adjourned. | 20:23 |
| ErichEickmeyer | #endmeeting | 20:23 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Sat May 12 20:23:58 2018 UTC. | 20:23 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-05-12-19.00.moin.txt | 20:23 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Oh man! NO MORE MANUAL NOTES!!! :D :D \o/ | 20:24 |
| captain-tux_ | Thanks. | 20:24 |
| captain-tux_ | Well, it's kinda manual, still. :P | 20:25 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Yeah, I see the #agreed items didn't get in there. | 20:25 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Off to spend a little longer with my family before heading to work. I'll ge the notes emailed and post the news as soon as I can. | 20:26 |
| ErichEickmeyer | Bye all! o/ | 20:27 |
| krytarik | o/ | 20:27 |
| captain-tux_ | See you around. | 20:27 |
| eylul | bye :) | 20:27 |
| SlidingHorn | OvenWerks: when you're doing your testing, are you just doing all of this in a VM? | 20:28 |
| OvenWerks | I only test hw | 20:28 |
| OvenWerks | I have three working partitions, 16.04.4, 18.04 and 18.10 | 20:29 |
| OvenWerks | My home is on yet another... | 20:29 |
| OvenWerks | (or part of it is) I like ~\.config etc. to stay with the working partition. | 20:30 |
| captain-tux_ | OvenWerks, what are you usually doing to your installation to test the Studio stuff? Just installing lowlatency kernel and the studio-meta repository? I'd like to have a look at it, since your description of KDE doesn't match up what I remember of it. :P | 20:38 |
| OvenWerks | captain-tux_: It did not match what I remembered either :) | 22:23 |
| OvenWerks | I had installed kde on my son's computer some years ago and did not like it. | 22:23 |
| OvenWerks | for the most part I have installed ubuntustudio-menu and at least one of the metas. | 22:24 |
| OvenWerks | I have not worried about the kernel as there is not a lot of difference. | 22:25 |
| OvenWerks | The default menu is close enough to whisker as can be, (application launcher) but I normally change that to the application menu as my preference. I have moved the panel to the top as a preference, but was working with it on the bottom for a while with no problems as well. | 22:27 |
| OvenWerks | I also change away from whisker to the xfce application menu when using xfce BTW. | 22:28 |
| OvenWerks | captain-tux_: if you can be specific as to what you remember as being different from my report... | 22:31 |
| OvenWerks | let us know. This is not a one man show by any means. | 22:31 |
| captain-tux_ | OvenWerks, it's been a while since I've used KDE, we have it running on a VM at work, but I don't usually do much with that. I mainly remember it as being bloated interface-wise and the opposite of consistent (as you described with the gnome apps being nicely integrated), just felt too cluttered and not really defined. This is basically only an UI/UX thing that I remember, which left me scarred since those days. | 22:38 |
| captain-tux_ | So I have extreme expectation bias, but I'm willing and dare I say also a little bit curious to try it out nowadays. | 22:40 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!