[03:35] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: maybe add that to next meetings discusion
[05:15] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Done
[19:00] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, time to give this bot a whirl...
[19:00] <ErichEickmeyer> #startmeeting
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[19:00] <ErichEickmeyer> #chair eylul
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[19:00] <ErichEickmeyer> #chair krytarik
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[19:00] <ErichEickmeyer> #chair captain-tux_
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[19:00] <ErichEickmeyer> #chair OvenWerks
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[19:00] <ErichEickmeyer> #chair sakrecoe1
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[19:01] <ErichEickmeyer> Anybody else here?
[19:01] <OvenWerks> WOW, I have never used meeting-whatever before
[19:01] <ErichEickmeyer> LOL
[19:01] <krytarik> It accepts multiple nicks at once btw.
[19:01] <ErichEickmeyer> Good to know.
[19:02] <ErichEickmeyer> How is everyone?
[19:03] <OvenWerks> yes, very how.
[19:03] <ErichEickmeyer> Such what, very how, super where. Wow.
[19:04] <SlidingHorn> I'm here - sorry
[19:04] <captain-tux_> #aggree
[19:04] <SlidingHorn> wasn't paying attention
[19:04] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, not seeing eylul or SlidingHorn just yet, and the first item is involving them, so .... oh, there's SlidingHorn
[19:04] <ErichEickmeyer> o
[19:04] <ErichEickmeyer> o/
[19:04] <SlidingHorn> o/
[19:04] <captain-tux_> Oops
[19:04] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, so here comes the first topic:
[19:05] <ErichEickmeyer> #topic New Website Theme (Eylul, SlidingHorn)
[19:05] <ErichEickmeyer> So, how's the progress on that, SlidingHorn?
[19:06] <SlidingHorn> Unfortunately I haven't gotten anywhere on that, my apologies.
[19:06] <SlidingHorn> I'm not aware of what exactly needs to be done, however
[19:06] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, it's really a matter of migrating the theme on eylul's site to ubuntustudio.com.
[19:07] <ErichEickmeyer> And maybe getting some photos on there as well.
[19:07] <ErichEickmeyer> As for the rest, she has more info.
[19:07] <ErichEickmeyer> We can table that topic for now if you'd like.
[19:07] <SlidingHorn> Okay, I'll make a point of contacting eylul within the next 24 hours to get that moving
[19:08] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, cool. I think if we got that theme going, we'd make a very public statement that we're making progress and moving forward.
[19:08] <OvenWerks> I don't think eylul has been around... some of what we were saying yesterday should have gotten a comment...
[19:09] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. I'm sure she'll turn up.
[19:09] <ErichEickmeyer> Probably busy. Happens.
[19:09] <ErichEickmeyer> Let's move on.
[19:09] <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Desktop Environments
[19:10] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Loved your review of Plasma. Expressed my sentiments very well.
[19:11] <OvenWerks> I think we should see if we can add a ubuntustudio-plasma meta to our repo.
[19:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Agreed. I honestly think that should be our first addition, and maybe stick with Xfce as the default.
[19:12] <OvenWerks> We should probably rename the current one to ubuntustudio-xfce
[19:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. That'd be a good idea.
[19:12] <OvenWerks> we could then take the current name and point it at one or the other as default.
[19:12] <ErichEickmeyer> A transitional dummy package.
[19:13] <OvenWerks> probably not transitional, but as a way to point people at the default who have no idea what xfce or plasma mean
[19:13] <eylul> *sneaks in to the room*
[19:14] <OvenWerks> o/
[19:14]  * ErichEickmeyer notices a wild eylul appears
[19:14] <ErichEickmeyer> Quick! Get me a pokeball!
[19:14] <captain-tux_> (stealth check failed)
[19:14] <eylul> :) oh dear.
[19:14] <ErichEickmeyer> haha
[19:14] <ErichEickmeyer> Welcome!
[19:14] <SlidingHorn> *natural 1*
[19:14]  * eylul quickly catches up to the backlog
[19:15] <ErichEickmeyer> ROFL
[19:15] <eylul> and please continue the discussion don't let me disrupt the meeting. sorry for being late
[19:15] <ErichEickmeyer> No worries.
[19:16] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Do you think you could take the kubuntu-settings-desktop package and modify it to be more "Studio" like? Simply put, wallpaper and start button.
[19:17] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: I will try...
[19:17] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, cool.
[19:17] <OvenWerks> I have both a bzr -controls and a git -controls sitting here and will try converting the LP version to git.
[19:18] <ErichEickmeyer> #info OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package.
[19:18] <ErichEickmeyer> (may have misused that command)
[19:18] <OvenWerks> I will try starting the plasma as git.
[19:18] <ErichEickmeyer> Perfect. That would get us migrated easier, I think.
[19:18] <krytarik> That's #action
[19:18] <OvenWerks> I was about to say that...
[19:18] <krytarik> #undo
[19:18] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[19:18] <ErichEickmeyer> #action OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package.
[19:18] <meetingology> ACTION: OvenWerks to work on forking kubuntu-settings-desktop package and create ubuntustudio-plasma package.
[19:19] <ErichEickmeyer> Awesome. So, I think we've established our first alternate environment. Should we stick with Xfce by default for now?
[19:20] <OvenWerks> We have time to decide that when we have a working plasma desktop...
[19:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Cool. Let's roll forward with ubuntustudio-plasma and decide whether xfce or plasma will be default in 18.10 at a later time.
[19:21] <OvenWerks> So yes default stays xfce, unless we vote something else 
[19:21] <eylul> honestly considering timelines... even if we planned to switch defaults, 6 months really isn't a long time :)
[19:21] <ErichEickmeyer> That's true. Maybe we make the Plasma alternate and consider changing default for 19.04?
[19:22] <OvenWerks> right, but if we get to beta with either or being able to load... it would be a choice.
[19:22] <ErichEickmeyer> Right. That's a choice we can put into the installer via radio button dialog, I think.
[19:23] <eylul> *nods*
[19:23] <ErichEickmeyer> The ISO will have to have a default, however. I think for size sake, Xfce is a safe default still.
[19:23] <eylul> you know.... 
[19:24] <eylul> and I am putting this out here, just as a long term idea because we definitely don't have the packaging-testing power at the moment but...
[19:24] <eylul> we could possibly perhaps maybe have ISOs with both? so people can download what they want. *ducks the incoming objects from multiple directions*
[19:25] <ErichEickmeyer> If we have the manpower...
[19:25] <OvenWerks> eylul: how far do we go with that?
[19:25] <ErichEickmeyer> I know Lubuntu did this for a while with LXQt, and they have a similar staffing situation to us.
[19:25] <OvenWerks> how many iso should we keep?
[19:25] <eylul> this could be a good idea if we had 2 DEs. probably a very bad idea for all 5 of them.
[19:26] <OvenWerks> right.
[19:26] <eylul> I wouldn't offer this if not for glowing review of plasma from OvenWerks. usually his and my user cases are very different so it makes me hopeful about it
[19:26] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, let's look at it like this: The top two default desktops for multimedia creation are Xfce (probably because of Studio) and Plasma (KXStudio, Fedora Jam)
[19:26] <OvenWerks> while I would suggest that budgie, cinnamon, cnome are not suited as defaults, there is not reason not to offer them as install time options.
[19:27] <ErichEickmeyer> I can agree with that.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> MATE, xfce and plasma are doable.
[19:28] <ErichEickmeyer> So, then that begs the question about new desktops: Plasma for 18.10 and then add MATE for 19.04?
[19:28] <OvenWerks> unless lxqt basically takes over the xfce world in the next few years... I don't know that it would be worth spending time on right now.
[19:28] <eylul> I am just hoping maybe having a separate ISO would get people to try it out and test it beyond the regular testing process.
[19:29] <eylul> ah
[19:29] <ErichEickmeyer> eylul: That's exactly what Lubuntu did with Lubuntu-Next for LXQt, so I don't see why we can't do it.
[19:29] <ErichEickmeyer> Especially since I'm working relatively closely with tsimonq2.
[19:29]  * eylul nods at OvenWerks
[19:30] <krytarik> Notice that they never actually *released* the LXQt until now though.
[19:30] <eylul> ErichEickmeyer: this might be a good route IF we decide that something other than XFCE is the new default
[19:30] <ErichEickmeyer> I didn't mean we'd do UbuntuStudio-Next. I mean we'd do UbuntuStudio-XFCE and UbuntuStudio-Plasma.
[19:30] <OvenWerks> It would not be hard to have two iso if 32bit is gone.
[19:31] <ErichEickmeyer> That's a good point, too!
[19:32] <OvenWerks> the installer bit would have to be part of the desktop meta.
[19:32] <OvenWerks> (it would be different for each iso)
[19:33] <ErichEickmeyer> As long as we can get the metapackages sorted out, it should fall into place.
[19:33] <ErichEickmeyer> BTW, related: until MyPaint gets upgraded, our ISOs are going to continue to fail to build.
[19:34] <OvenWerks> I don't see anything upstream for that.
[19:34] <ErichEickmeyer> I'll work with the release team on perhaps getting a git snapshot, which was suggested by jbicha.
[19:34]  * OvenWerks is not watching their dev work closely
[19:35] <ErichEickmeyer> Either that, or we'll have to remove MyPaint from default.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> our graphics meta fails to load as well
[19:35] <ErichEickmeyer> That's because of the GIMP-MyPaint discrepency.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> right
[19:35] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow...
[19:36] <eylul> it does look like the code is updated at least. so the work is ongoing
[19:36] <eylul> (sorry was checking their forums and github for any progress*
[19:36] <ErichEickmeyer> #action Erich to work on GIMP-MyPaint conflict with release team.
[19:36] <meetingology> ACTION: Erich to work on GIMP-MyPaint conflict with release team.
[19:37] <ErichEickmeyer> So, did we reach the decision on adding Plasma as the first alternate desktop?
[19:37] <ErichEickmeyer> I'm in favor.
[19:37] <krytarik> +1
[19:37] <SlidingHorn> +1
[19:37] <eylul> +1
[19:37]  * OvenWerks seconds
[19:37] <SlidingHorn>  sd
[19:38] <SlidingHorn> (sorry was wiping off my keyboard)
[19:38] <OvenWerks> looks like a vote
[19:38] <ErichEickmeyer> That looks like a majority if not unity.
[19:38] <ErichEickmeyer> #agreed Adding KDE Plasma as first alternate desktop environment in 18.10
[19:39] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, with that, we'll drop the survey idea.
[19:39] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow, let's move this along.
[19:39] <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Wallpapers
[19:39] <ErichEickmeyer> #subtopic Targeting PNG format vs JPEG for submissions
[19:40] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Can you fill us in on this one?
[19:40] <OvenWerks> I can try...
[19:41] <OvenWerks> because of the hurry at the end of last cycle, we ended up with a backdrop we were going to add that was JPG. and required changing two packages.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> we should probably avoid this in the future by settling on a format to use
[19:42] <ErichEickmeyer> Agreed. PNG seems like the logical solution.
[19:42] <eylul> my main concern at least with this wallpaper was that the png file ended up being huge
[19:42] <OvenWerks> it seems to me in the past PNG was specified for contest entries and defaults.
[19:43] <eylul> the wallpapers from the contest seemed to be a mix, the defaults are created as vector. I am not against png as default. I am just not sure at which point
[19:43] <OvenWerks> My main question is how do the two formats deal quality wise with sizing?
[19:43] <eylul> what do you mean OvenWerks?
[19:43] <ErichEickmeyer> Isn't PNG basically lossless compression?
[19:43] <OvenWerks> everyone has different screen sizes,
[19:43] <OvenWerks> resizing affects png too
[19:44] <eylul> ErichEickmeyer: not sure it scales up when the original is not a vector art
[19:44] <OvenWerks> a hw screen has an exact number of pixels.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> So the backdrop is resized on the fly I would guess
[19:45] <OvenWerks> this might mean a jpg would actually resize better.
[19:45] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, then, what if we had both?
[19:46]  * OvenWerks doesn't know how closely graphics is to audio in this respect.
[19:46] <OvenWerks> the reason we want one to be default is that we only have to change one package to set default not two (or three)
[19:46] <eylul> could we modify the script
[19:47] <ErichEickmeyer> TBH, svg is the most scalable, but that's not common for wallpapers.
[19:47] <eylul> so that we can specify the file type on one package?
[19:47] <eylul> Also Erich we would still have to have started with a vector art to use that.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> I don't know how plasma deals with this, but xfce needs the file name in a certian place
[19:47] <eylul> yes auto-trace got a lot better, but not quite that good :)
[19:48] <ErichEickmeyer> Plasma also needs the files in a certain place, but I had great luck with symbolic links for the wallpapers.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> we do specify the type in one package... but we keep the image in another.
[19:48]  * eylul is testing exact file sizes of png output again while talking.
[19:48] <ErichEickmeyer> Xfce looks in /usr/share/backgrounds, plasma looks in /usr/share/wallpapers
[19:48] <OvenWerks> link would fix that.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> and plasma would handle a full path.
[19:49] <OvenWerks> (same with xfce)
[19:49] <ErichEickmeyer> Yep. All I did was 'ln -s /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio/* /usr/share/wallpapers/*
[19:50] <OvenWerks> now if we could use wildcards image.* that would be fine, but I don't think so.
[19:50] <eylul> well.. we now have time to test it out
[19:50] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. Let's test this and report back next meeting?
[19:50] <eylul> also.. speaking of testing we should probably test that the high res image (png or jpeg) is not bogging down a low end system.
[19:51] <ErichEickmeyer> How low are you talking?
[19:51] <OvenWerks> the path to image has to be in the -desktop-DE meta but the images should be in a package common to both.
[19:51] <eylul> how low do we support I honestly have no idea if this would be an issue or not.
[19:51] <OvenWerks> eylul: I don't think that is a problem, the image gets resized once on load?
[19:52] <eylul> the image is over 5MB for each screen (6-7 for png) not sure if it is a problem or not. 
[19:52] <eylul> ah
[19:52] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, as I've said before, if you're running many of our apps you either have a higher-end system or have unworldly amounts of patience.
[19:52] <eylul> :D
[19:52] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: yes but...
[19:52] <OvenWerks> screen size is not the same thing
[19:52] <ErichEickmeyer> That's true.
[19:53] <eylul> also the problem is that we are putting a very large image for even someone who has 1/4th area of the screen.
[19:53] <OvenWerks> There are both lower power/memory systems than mine with higher rez screens and more powerful ones with lower rez..
[19:53] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, and it has to render that every time the desktop is shown. That adds up to problematic quickly.
[19:54] <eylul> exactly
[19:54] <ErichEickmeyer> So, do we, say, go roughly 720 and scale up, or meet somewhere in the middle at 1080?
[19:55] <eylul> Erich for context, I am on a 4K screen.
[19:55] <ErichEickmeyer> I'm on a 1080.
[19:55] <eylul> that's double of a 1080p on each dimension
[19:55] <OvenWerks> 1920x1080?
[19:55] <eylul> :D
[19:55] <ErichEickmeyer> My former system was 1280x800.
[19:55] <OvenWerks> I think that was what we were looking for last time
[19:55] <ErichEickmeyer> Before that I had a system at 1366x768.
[19:56] <OvenWerks> mine are 1600x900
[19:56] <eylul> *nods* a lot of newer laptops are 1920 or HiDPI through. it is a lot more common than it was 2-3 years ago. :)
[19:56] <ErichEickmeyer> Then, set 1080 as a target?
[19:56] <OvenWerks> gotta compete with apple...
[19:56] <OvenWerks> I think that is still valid
[19:57] <ErichEickmeyer> But, this still has the question of whether PNG or JPG. Would the two of you be able to test and report back by next meeting?
[19:57] <eylul> we can go with png. it is not a problem.
[19:58] <eylul> I just need to know how much MB size I can go with before we start bogging down systems badly.
[19:58] <eylul> and I am not sure how to check that.
[19:58] <eylul> it might be that we don't need to worry and that a few MB sized wallpaper is perfectly fine
[19:58] <ErichEickmeyer> Most low-end systems handle PNG fairly gracefully, in my experience.
[19:58] <eylul> which size is the question here. ;)
[19:59] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, so we'll go with PNG, and size TBD?
[19:59] <eylul> which file size. yes
[19:59] <eylul> as in if we have a maximum or not
[19:59] <OvenWerks> eylul: in a 20inch screen is there that much noticable difference from 1920x1020 and 4k?
[20:00] <eylul> I'll look for background but on browser
[20:00] <eylul> I definitely notice stuff that is low rez
[20:00] <ErichEickmeyer> On my 42-inch 1080 screen at work, I can definitely see pixelation, but that makes sense.
[20:01] <eylul> *nods*
[20:01] <OvenWerks> 42 inch is too big for my desk...
[20:01]  * OvenWerks can't land f18s on it either...
[20:01] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, but I make videos for a living, so having something native is good.
[20:02] <ErichEickmeyer> So, should we table this for more testing?
[20:02] <eylul> yeah
[20:03]  * eylul wishes had space for a 42" screen.
[20:03] <OvenWerks> it would be possible to have default and optional.
[20:03] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. eylul and OvenWerks to do testing?
[20:03] <OvenWerks> I can do a bit, but my screens are small and low res
[20:04] <eylul> *nods* I'll check what things look like on my screen if they are low rez. I think what I need is someone to make sure the current ones I did post are not causing overhead
[20:04] <eylul> too badly when used.
[20:04] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks can check higher on low, and eylul can check lower on high.
[20:04] <ErichEickmeyer> Perfect comparison.
[20:04] <eylul> the ones I did link were high resolution. :)
[20:04] <OvenWerks> of course 8k is "future proof" for a bit longer :)
[20:04] <eylul> so if they don't cause problems then we don't have a problem.
[20:05] <eylul> is there 8K screens out there outside of large displays?
[20:05] <eylul> ;)
[20:05] <ErichEickmeyer> #action eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back.
[20:05] <meetingology> ACTION: eylul and OvenWerks to test various wallpaper resolutions and report back.
[20:06] <ErichEickmeyer> #agreed Using PNG as default format for wallpapers
[20:06] <ErichEickmeyer> We need to move this along.
[20:06] <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Welcome App & Software Boutique
[20:06] <ErichEickmeyer> I'm just going to give a brief status update on this one.
[20:08] <ErichEickmeyer> I'm working with tsimonq2 on forking ubuntu-mate-welcome since we can collaborate. He's doing it for Lubuntu, I'm doing it for Studio. It's up to Wimpress, but I have the feeling he could give us tips along the way if needed.
[20:08] <ErichEickmeyer> So, that's part of the flavor collaboration we've got going on.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> budgie uses it too.
[20:09] <eylul> \o/
[20:09] <ErichEickmeyer> Yep, and bashfulrobot is probably a good resource as well.
[20:09] <ErichEickmeyer> So, with that, since this is a project I'm focusing on, I'll take this one on.
[20:09] <OvenWerks> I notice it is a snap package and that the mounted patitions remain after the app is closed.
[20:10] <ErichEickmeyer> #action ErichEickmeyer to work with tsimonq on ubuntustudio-welcome and ubuntustudio-software-boutique in collaboration with Lubuntu, with Budgie (bashfulrobot) and MATE (Wimpress) as possible additional resources.
[20:10] <meetingology> ACTION: ErichEickmeyer to work with tsimonq on ubuntustudio-welcome and ubuntustudio-software-boutique in collaboration with Lubuntu, with Budgie (bashfulrobot) and MATE (Wimpress) as possible additional resources.
[20:11] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'll ask Wimpress about that. Chances are he'll see this.
[20:11] <eylul> ErichEickmeyer: question, would having 2DEs duplicate your work or one package will be usable for both plasma and XFCE?
[20:11] <ErichEickmeyer> One package would be usable for both.
[20:11] <eylul> nice :)
[20:11] <OvenWerks> no problem, snap may do some of this at boot too for  all I know.
[20:12] <OvenWerks> Ya, that would work for as many as we ever have.
[20:12] <ErichEickmeyer> It's pretty desktop-independent.
[20:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow... we're running a bit overtime, so...
[20:12] <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Next Meeting
[20:13] <ErichEickmeyer> As you saw from the email, I'm not available next week. We can take the week off or I can write-up an agenda and one of you runs the meeing. Thoughts?
[20:13] <OvenWerks> just a general caution. check any package before uploading to make sure it has not changed from bzr to git.
[20:14] <OvenWerks> A week off would not hurt. I have stuff to do.
[20:14] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Absolutely. I think it's more of a base than a fork. :)
[20:15] <OvenWerks> I am available on the 26 though
[20:16] <SlidingHorn> I would actually be gone next weekend as well, most likely
[20:16] <ErichEickmeyer> I should be available on the 26th as well. Memorial day weekend, and my family will be in Idaho.
[20:16] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. eylul, thoughts?
[20:16] <eylul> I wouldn't mind a break.
[20:16] <ErichEickmeyer> Cool.
[20:16] <ErichEickmeyer> #agreed Next meeting will be May 26th
[20:16] <ErichEickmeyer> Alright. That's all I've got. Any additional items?
[20:17] <eylul> I was going to ask if Slidinghorn or anyone else wants to co-manage the mastodon account.
[20:17] <eylul> so that we can be more active there. Just asking because I need to share the account info with you. 
[20:17] <eylul> if that is the case
[20:17] <SlidingHorn> eylul: Sure
[20:18] <ErichEickmeyer> That reminds me, I have yet to make the Telegram group.
[20:18] <ErichEickmeyer> #topic Additional Items
[20:18] <ErichEickmeyer> #action SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account.
[20:18] <meetingology> ACTION: SlidingHorn to help eylul with Mastodon account.
[20:19] <ErichEickmeyer> #action ErichEickmeyer will continue to investigate Telegram and Telegram-IRC bridge.
[20:19] <meetingology> ACTION: ErichEickmeyer will continue to investigate Telegram and Telegram-IRC bridge.
[20:19] <ErichEickmeyer> Anything else?
[20:19] <eylul> not from me.
[20:19] <captain-tux_> No
[20:19] <OvenWerks> -controls has not really moved porting to git today.
[20:20] <ErichEickmeyer> That's okay. Still working on that?
[20:20] <OvenWerks> I have the fun of getting it on to launchpad.
[20:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Joy. /s
[20:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Unless you weren't being sarcastic with the "fun"
[20:21] <ErichEickmeyer> #action OvenWerks to continue to get ubuntustudio-controls migrated to git.
[20:21] <meetingology> ACTION: OvenWerks to continue to get ubuntustudio-controls migrated to git.
[20:21] <OvenWerks> it was a one linner to get it to git on my system.
[20:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Wow! That's.. incredible!
[20:22] <OvenWerks> some of the links in the instructions are bad though :P
[20:22] <ErichEickmeyer> Hmmm.... Documentation. :/
[20:23] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow, shall we adjourn or do we have any other items to discuss?
[20:23] <OvenWerks> I guess I can bug it.
[20:23] <OvenWerks> was that a move?
[20:23] <ErichEickmeyer> I move to adjourn. Second?
[20:23] <OvenWerks> o/
[20:23] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. Meeting adjourned.
[20:23] <ErichEickmeyer> #endmeeting
[20:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat May 12 20:23:58 2018 UTC.  
[20:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-05-12-19.00.moin.txt
[20:24] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh man! NO MORE MANUAL NOTES!!! :D :D \o/
[20:24] <captain-tux_> Thanks.
[20:25] <captain-tux_> Well, it's kinda manual, still. :P
[20:25] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, I see the #agreed items didn't get in there.
[20:26] <ErichEickmeyer> Off to spend a little longer with my family before heading to work. I'll ge the notes emailed and post the news as soon as I can.
[20:27] <ErichEickmeyer> Bye all! o/
[20:27] <krytarik> o/
[20:27] <captain-tux_> See you around.
[20:27] <eylul> bye :)
[20:28] <SlidingHorn> OvenWerks: when you're doing your testing, are you just doing all of this in a VM?
[20:28] <OvenWerks> I only test hw
[20:29] <OvenWerks> I have three working partitions, 16.04.4, 18.04 and 18.10
[20:29] <OvenWerks> My home is on yet another...
[20:30] <OvenWerks> (or part of it is) I like ~\.config etc. to stay with the working partition.
[20:38] <captain-tux_> OvenWerks, what are you usually doing to your installation to test the Studio stuff? Just installing lowlatency kernel and the studio-meta repository? I'd like to have a look at it, since your description of KDE doesn't match up what I remember of it. :P
[22:23] <OvenWerks> captain-tux_: It did not match what I remembered either :)
[22:23] <OvenWerks> I had installed kde on my son's computer some years ago and did not like it.
[22:24] <OvenWerks> for the most part I have installed ubuntustudio-menu and at least one of the metas.
[22:25] <OvenWerks> I have not worried about the kernel as there is not a lot of difference.
[22:27] <OvenWerks> The default menu is close enough to whisker as can be, (application launcher) but I normally change that to the application menu as my preference. I have moved the panel to the top as a preference, but was working with it on the bottom for a while with no problems as well.
[22:28] <OvenWerks> I also change away from whisker to the xfce application menu when using xfce BTW.
[22:31] <OvenWerks> captain-tux_: if you can be specific as to what you remember as being different from my report... 
[22:31] <OvenWerks> let us know. This is not a one man show by any means.
[22:38] <captain-tux_> OvenWerks, it's been a while since I've used KDE, we have it running on a VM at work, but I don't usually do much with that. I mainly remember it as being bloated interface-wise and the opposite of consistent (as you described with the gnome apps being nicely integrated), just felt too cluttered and not really defined. This is basically only an UI/UX thing that I remember, which left me scarred since those days.
[22:40] <captain-tux_> So I have extreme expectation bias, but I'm willing and dare I say also a little bit curious to try it out nowadays.