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| didrocks | good morning | 06:42 |
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| jibel | Salut didrocks | 06:44 |
| c-lobrano | hey, good morning :) | 06:44 |
| didrocks | salut jibel, hey c-lobrano | 06:45 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:25 |
| didrocks | re seb128 | 07:26 |
| seb128 | re didrocks :) | 07:27 |
| Nafallo | morning | 07:29 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 07:38 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ? passé un bon w.e? | 07:40 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN | 07:40 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128, didrocks | 07:40 |
| oSoMoN | I spent a couple of hours at Ikea on Saturday morning, I thought I was going to die | 07:40 |
| oSoMoN | apart from that, a good week-end :) | 07:41 |
| seb128 | don't go there in a w.e! | 07:41 |
| didrocks | and it was in the morning… :p | 07:41 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, never again… | 07:42 |
| willcooke | morning | 07:52 |
| Nafallo | hey willcooke :-) | 07:52 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke, how are you? | 07:52 |
| willcooke | hey seb128, Nafallo - doing ok | 07:56 |
| willcooke | Nice break seb128? | 07:56 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 07:57 |
| seb128 | willcooke, yeah, great week off, thx! | 07:57 |
| andyrock | good morning! | 07:57 |
| seb128 | willcooke, how have things being for you? not too crazy post Berlin? good w.e? | 07:58 |
| oSoMoN | good morning willcooke, Nafallo, andyrock | 07:58 |
| Laney | yo | 08:02 |
| oSoMoN | morning Laney | 08:02 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:05 |
| Laney | hey oSoMoN seb128 | 08:05 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 08:06 |
| Laney | hey didrocks!!!! | 08:06 |
| Laney | seb128: I'm good | 08:06 |
| Laney | nice weekend, saw some friends who were visiting, did the parkrun (still super slow), went to a folk club & went climbing! | 08:07 |
| Laney | good week off? | 08:07 |
| Laney | & how is everybody else? | 08:07 |
| didrocks | way better than this week-end! I was really sick and couldn't do much/sleep much | 08:10 |
| Laney | oh man | 08:10 |
| Laney | better now? | 08:11 |
| didrocks | yeah, way better, hopefully, thanks! :) | 08:11 |
| didrocks | I can at least walk :p | 08:11 |
| Trevinho | Morning... | 08:11 |
| oSoMoN | I'm good, had a good week-end except for that near-death experience in Ikea on Saturday morning, I barely survived | 08:11 |
| oSoMoN | hey Trevinho | 08:12 |
| Trevinho | Hi oSoMoN | 08:12 |
| oSoMoN | Trevinho, has the hackfest started? | 08:12 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, excellent week off, lot of walking around or sitting/relaxing in the nice weather :) | 08:12 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho | 08:12 |
| Trevinho | seb128: hiii, had a good week off? | 08:13 |
| Laney | oSoMoN: under a pile of wardrobes? | 08:13 |
| Trevinho | oSoMoN: nope... In an hour | 08:13 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey, very good indeed! | 08:13 |
| Laney | Trevinho has brought italian culture to the UK | 08:13 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, too much furniture, and too many people | 08:13 |
| Laney | 10am starts! | 08:13 |
| didrocks | Laney: could be worse, Spanish one :) | 08:14 |
| * didrocks almost wrote "snapish" | 08:14 | |
| Trevinho | Laney: no, there's no need... Thank God Spanish guys are here :-) | 08:15 |
| didrocks | that's why 10am, you have found a middle ground between UK and Spanish :) | 08:15 |
| oSoMoN | Spaniards would start at 10 and go for breakfast at 10:15 | 08:16 |
| didrocks | roh :p | 08:16 |
| seb128 | oh, hackfest, that's why Trevinho is up, now it explains! :) | 08:19 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, is there an agenda for the hackfest btw? | 08:20 |
| didrocks | roh ^2 | 08:20 |
| Trevinho | seb128: yeah in the wiki, but not defined yet | 08:20 |
| Trevinho | seb128: also fill up the guadec doc for booking | 08:20 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I need to catch up on those discussions, I'm all still unsure how long I'm staying, I need to look at the conf schedule (if it's available yet) | 08:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's not yet | 08:22 |
| seb128 | typical GNOME : | 08:23 |
| seb128 | :/ | 08:23 |
| Trevinho | seb128: ok, try to do it asap as they said me to be quick in finalizing the booking | 08:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, voting finished on Monday, delayed due to some delayed requests :p | 08:23 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, who is "they"? we don't use the travel agent this time? | 08:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I see | 08:24 |
| Trevinho | seb128: clan can pay for it, while I'm your travel agent :-D | 08:25 |
| andyrock | what's the raccomended way to get the ubuntu codename in C? | 08:25 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, k, I guess I just need to read that backlog, I just glanced over it and it seemed lot of IM-bla :p | 08:25 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock | 08:26 |
| Laney | hey andyrock | 08:29 |
| Laney | what for? | 08:29 |
| andyrock | hey Laney seb128 | 08:29 |
| andyrock | we need to hide the canonical-livepatch page in gnome-initial-setup if the distro is not bionic | 08:29 |
| andyrock | because livepatch it's not supported in non-lts | 08:29 |
| seb128 | livepatch doesn't give you an api to check supported or not? | 08:30 |
| Laney | oh right | 08:30 |
| Laney | wouldn't it be better for livepatch to tell you that? | 08:30 |
| Laney | ha | 08:30 |
| andyrock | livepatch does not have such API | 08:31 |
| andyrock | also we would need to install livepatch before to ask | 08:31 |
| seb128 | we should request them to add one :) | 08:31 |
| seb128 | good point | 08:31 |
| seb128 | back to your question, I'm not sure what's the best way to check you are on bionic from C, maybe parsing /etc/os-release? | 08:32 |
| andyrock | it would be a good idea to had a snap api | 08:32 |
| seb128 | right | 08:33 |
| andyrock | I'll ask the snap team | 08:33 |
| didrocks | I wonder if the snap shouldn't be published in the "bionic" channels | 08:42 |
| didrocks | and not master thus | 08:42 |
| didrocks | as it doesn't work everywhere | 08:42 |
| didrocks | and then, you "just" request if the snap is available for you | 08:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, I was wondering about that | 08:44 |
| seb128 | but do we have per serie channels? | 08:45 |
| didrocks | I'm pretty sure that exists. However, I don't know if that's just a convention or it's something bundled | 08:45 |
| seb128 | or do you mean the same we are using for pre-seeded snaps? | 08:45 |
| seb128 | yeah, I don't know how "standard" it is | 08:45 |
| didrocks | this is what replace "latest" in the track name | 08:45 |
| didrocks | you have latest/stable/branch-name | 08:45 |
| didrocks | here, it's release/stable/branch-name for instance | 08:46 |
| didrocks | I think you have to request for them to open it thouh | 08:46 |
| didrocks | though | 08:46 |
| seb128 | in any case sounds like something for the snap/livepatch team to solve | 08:46 |
| didrocks | but that's one year old memory, do not trust me too much :) | 08:46 |
| didrocks | yeah | 08:46 |
| seb128 | it doesn't make sense to install that snap on bionic | 08:46 |
| seb128 | even from the cli | 08:46 |
| didrocks | I guess it's something for them to consider | 08:46 |
| didrocks | you meant on non bionic? | 08:46 |
| seb128 | I meant on cosmic | 08:47 |
| didrocks | yeah | 08:47 |
| seb128 | I still need to get used to type that one :p | 08:47 |
| * didrocks has a name for a blog post series | 08:47 | |
| didrocks | "opening the cosmic gate" :) | 08:47 |
| didrocks | but yeah, basically on non supported distro, you shouldn't be able to install the snap | 08:48 |
| didrocks | (and then, I'll steal what they do and the transition path from latest to that track for communitheme snap, lalalala) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | (changing location, brb) | 08:53 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, re: GS Connect. You said about starting a thread on the hub. Good idea. Since you're busy this week, would you like me to start one - or are you happy to wait until you're back to normal working mode? | 09:10 |
| ads20000 | currently there's no way to remove a snap from someone's system, though I suspect the recent miningware incident could change that, perhaps by setting a precedent of refreshing to dummy packages, we'll see... Also maybe the livepatch snap could remain installed but it just won't do anything on non-LTS releases? Though then it is wasting data by refreshing needlessly... | 09:36 |
| didrocks | I guess not being able to install is the best API for both users not thinking they get it activated and for andyrock to know if LP is available or not | 09:59 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: it's fine if you start that, no worries | 10:29 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, will do | 10:30 |
| Trevinho | thanks | 10:30 |
| * Laney just got blinded | 10:42 | |
| Laney | the sun crossed some threshold and started reflecting off some glossy paint directly into my eyes | 10:43 |
| Laney | actually can't see the whole screen | 10:43 |
| Laney | stupid daystar, turn it off please | 10:43 |
| ogra_ | just take a 12h break and it solves itself :) | 10:43 |
| Laney | then i'll be in da club partying it up 💃💃💃💃💃💃 | 10:44 |
| Laney | (🛏) | 10:44 |
| andyrock | daystar lol | 10:46 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, you are sure you are using the snap for g-s-m? I don't think we/security allowed the opening of help: URIs, or did that change? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | I've a few snaps that hit "user-open error: Supplied URL scheme "help" is not allowed" | 10:48 |
| seb128 | (that's in the journal) | 10:48 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, done https://community.ubuntu.com/t/gs-connect-as-part-of-18-10/5903 | 10:48 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, d'oh, I wasn't, obviously | 10:49 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, k | 10:50 |
| oSoMoN | I'll edit my post | 10:50 |
| oSoMoN | is there some markup to strike through text | 10:50 |
| Laney | oSoMoN: ~~ usually | 10:51 |
| Laney | dunno about discourse tho | 10:51 |
| oSoMoN | [s] and [/s] (opening and closing tags) in discourse, apparently | 10:52 |
| oSoMoN | no more chromium updates on trusty: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/chromium-updates-on-trusty/5905 | 11:50 |
| Laney | ⚰️ | 11:54 |
| kenvandine | firefox 60 is in the stable channel | 13:28 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 13:28 |
| willcooke | yay | 13:33 |
| willcooke | oSoMoN, good post, thanks | 13:35 |
| oSoMoN | cheers | 13:40 |
| sergiusens | \o/ | 13:40 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, speaking of which, can you confirm what I'm seeing with flash? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-do-you-enable-flash-plugin-on-firefox-snap/5376 | 13:40 |
| oSoMoN | gotta go pick up daughter from school, bbiab | 13:42 |
| jbicha | seb128: hi, could you subscribe the bugs team to tracker-miners and libcue? bug 1770877 bug 1770871 | 13:58 |
| ubot5 | bug 1770877 in tracker-miners (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tracker-miners" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770877 | 13:58 |
| ubot5 | bug 1770871 in libcue (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libcue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770871 | 13:58 |
| jbicha | also, except for the patch rename, are these changes fine for bionic? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.28.1-0ubuntu2 | 13:59 |
| seb128 | hey jbicha | 14:00 |
| seb128 | jbicha, looks fine, if you do a SRU can you include the fix for bug #1759468 (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/merge_requests/40) | 14:02 |
| ubot5 | bug 1759468 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center (11) gtk_style_context_clear_property_cache → gtk_css_widget_node_update_style → gtk_css_node_ensure_style → gtk_css_node_ensure_style → gtk_css_node_validate_internal" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759468 | 14:02 |
| ubot5-ng | seb128: Error: GNOME: Impossible to get infos for GNOME/gnome-control-center issue (Merge request) 40: 'dict' object has no attribute 'username' | 14:03 |
| jbicha | ok, I didn't see that one, also I was going to see if the commit mentioned on LP: #1766799 fixes our bug too | 14:05 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1766799 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center (ERROR) ../shell/cc-panel-list.c → 926 → cc_panel_list_set_active_panel → assertion failed → (data != NULL)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766799 | 14:05 |
| seb128 | jbicha, thanks, yeah that one was also on my list | 14:09 |
| seb128 | jbicha, " - Drop now unnecessary fonts-ubuntu dependency" ... SRU team doesn't like such change without a bug reference, so best to drop the change or create a bug | 14:12 |
| jbicha | I've got a bug LP: #1770473 but maybe I'll mention the bug number twice or reformat the changelog :) | 14:13 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1770473 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Bionic) "Don't hardcode Ubuntu font name in Settings > Details" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770473 | 14:13 |
| seb128 | well I guess that's part of the first snippet | 14:13 |
| seb128 | but the changelog doesn't make that obvious | 14:13 |
| seb128 | right | 14:13 |
| jbicha | mentioning the bug number twice wouldn't hurt if it makes things more clear :) | 14:14 |
| seb128 | right | 14:14 |
| jbicha | seb128: could you also look at bug 1770146? I guess we should be the subscriber there too (it's replacing libappindicator in main, maybe universe too this cycle) | 14:51 |
| ubot5 | bug 1770146 in libayatana-appindicator (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libayatana-appindicator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770146 | 14:52 |
| seb128 | jbicha, I don't think desktop team has any interest is signing to maintain that stack | 14:55 |
| seb128 | what's the status of having the flavors that use indicators to switch to the ayatana variant? | 14:56 |
| jbicha | seb128: if the Desktop team won't be the bug subscriber, who will? we do use that library for our main apps that use the GNOME Shell appindicator extension | 15:10 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu MATE is the primary other user of appindicators, but MIR rules want a Canonical-ish team, right? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | do we? what apps got transitioned? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | well, I want to see other flavors starting using those first before we talk about MIR | 15:12 |
| jbicha | there are 5 main apps listed in https://wiki.debian.org/Ayatana/IndicatorsTransition#Packages_in_Ubuntu_main_that_need_to_be_ported_a.s.a.p. | 15:12 |
| seb128 | I don't especially agree that the libayatana version is better maintained/tested enough | 15:12 |
| jbicha | all are waiting in cosmic-proposed for the MIR to be approved | 15:13 |
| seb128 | shrug | 15:13 |
| seb128 | that's doing thing reverse | 15:13 |
| seb128 | also is there a transition plan for the gnome-shell extension? can it talk to apps using both libs at the same time?. | 15:13 |
| jbicha | I don't know, sometimes people want the packages to show up in component-mismatches to prioritize handling the MIR or something 🤷 | 15:14 |
| seb128 | that's not the documented process on the MIR wiki reference | 15:14 |
| jbicha | last cycle, I was told to do that for some of the MIRs | 15:14 |
| seb128 | I mentioned it to dok_o and slangasek agrees with me | 15:14 |
| seb128 | dok_o is not respecting the process | 15:15 |
| seb128 | (I assume he's the one that asked you that) | 15:15 |
| seb128 | anyway I'm not +1ing that MIR on hand waiving | 15:15 |
| seb128 | ideally that stack would get more testing before we consider that change | 15:15 |
| jbicha | Locutus did the work for this transition | 15:15 |
| seb128 | right, it doesn't give us any assurance the new codebase isn't crap | 15:16 |
| seb128 | it happens that some people are eager to transition to new things even if they are less good and completly untested | 15:16 |
| seb128 | (I'm not saying in the case there, but I don't know) | 15:16 |
| jbicha | my understanding is that libayatana-appindicator uses the same D-Bus name as libappindicator and the GNOME Shell extension just displays the stuff so it works just fine with either the Ayatana version or the classic Ubuntu version | 15:16 |
| jbicha | but I don't have a very deep understanding of indicators at all | 15:17 |
| seb128 | my understanding is that they changed the namespace | 15:17 |
| seb128 | I argued a lot over email with the libayatana maintainer about that | 15:17 |
| jbicha | I thought so too, but it seems to work right now | 15:17 |
| seb128 | imho that was a stupid thing they did | 15:17 |
| seb128 | maybe they fixed it | 15:17 |
| seb128 | anyway, I'm adding to my queeue | 15:18 |
| jbicha | I agree with you that the namechange is annoying and even now, they could easily switch to the old library name that apps already use | 15:18 |
| seb128 | but not subscribing us/giving a +1 before we have a proper look | 15:18 |
| seb128 | thanks for pointing it out! | 15:18 |
| jbicha | I guess part of the complication was that sun_weaver didn't want it to be bound to the CLA | 15:18 |
| jbicha | and that's a Canonical thing, not much I can do there :) | 15:20 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, there's a minor chromium update ready for publication in the stage PPA: 66.0.3359.170 (fixes 3 CVEs) | 15:40 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, do you know why an octave-interval autopkgtest regression is blocking the migration of chromium-browser? http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/o/octave-interval/cosmic/amd64 . I'm not sure where that dependency comes from… | 15:52 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, thanks for confirming the firefox flash issue, I'll file a bug | 15:53 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, maybe it's a gtk version mismatch | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | since that flash plugin was probably built against a much older gtk | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | than firefox | 15:57 |
| oSoMoN | could be, yeah | 15:58 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, but it's working with the deb version of firefox | 15:58 |
| oSoMoN | which was built against a recent gtk | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | interesting | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | the firefox snap is built against the 16.04 gtk | 16:00 |
| kenvandine | maybe the opposite problem | 16:00 |
| Laney | oSoMoN: via www-browser in some way probably | 16:01 |
| oSoMoN | mmm, octave-interval-doc depends on w3m | www-browser, could it be what creates that dependency chain? | 16:02 |
| oSoMoN | if so that doesn't look right, it's just a doc package that bundles html files | 16:03 |
| Laney | it depends on something, that means and update to that something could break it | 16:03 |
| Laney | s/and/an/ | 16:03 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, I understand the logic, but then all doc packages in the archive could depend on www-browser, and every single update would trigger an autopkgtest run of chromium-browser | 16:04 |
| oSoMoN | that seems like a waste of resources | 16:05 |
| Laney | it's the other way around | 16:05 |
| Laney | and clearly you don't see a million tests running there, so it is not that | 16:05 |
| oSoMoN | right, it's the other way around indeed, so maybe it's just octave declaring that dependency on a browser for its doc package, and it shouldn't? | 16:06 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, I'll check with the firefox deb in a xenial VM | 16:06 |
| oSoMoN | it works there, maybe I need to unpack the so from the xenial package to get it working | 16:10 |
| jbicha | html -doc packages shouldn't depend on (or even recommend) a web browser IMO | 16:12 |
| oSoMoN | I agree | 16:12 |
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| oSoMoN | kenvandine, flash content corrupted when rendered in snap with flash plugin extracted from xenial deb, most likely because the version of gtk on xenial doesn't match the one in the gnome-3-26 PPA | 16:15 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1461363 | 16:18 |
| ubot5 | Mozilla bug 1461363 in Untriaged "[snap] flash plugin content not rendered" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, the firefox snap doesn't build against the PPA | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | it's against xenial proper | 16:27 |
| Laney | oSoMoN: that actually needed an update of autodep8; done, please retry all except for armhf which I used to test | 16:29 |
| Laney | also | 16:29 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, thanks | 16:29 |
| Laney | did you guys figure out that segfault problem with the desktop launcher? | 16:29 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, weird, because the firefox deb in xenial renders flash content fine, but the snap doesn't (using the flash plugin lib extracted from the xenial package) | 16:30 |
| kenvandine | Laney, i don't think so | 16:33 |
| Laney | blast | 16:35 |
| Laney | was hoping to hear the cool reason | 16:35 |
| kenvandine | Laney, in theory your reference to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 should actually be coming from core not your host system | 16:36 |
| kenvandine | unless that's not true for classic snaps | 16:36 |
| kenvandine | but i think it should be true | 16:36 |
| Laney | it does | 16:36 |
| Laney | you can check that with ldd | 16:36 |
| kenvandine | it does come from core right? | 16:37 |
| Laney | yep | 16:37 |
| Laney | but then you can preload the host one to make it use that and it starts working | 16:37 |
| Laney | which is weird but I didn't try anything more than that | 16:37 |
| kenvandine | very weird | 16:37 |
| kenvandine | and concerning | 16:37 |
| Laney | that's just running the thing from /snap directly on my system btw | 16:38 |
| kenvandine | ah | 16:38 |
| Laney | but it still segfaults like that | 16:38 |
| oSoMoN | jbicha, FYI https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898646 | 16:39 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 898646 in octave-interval-doc "octave-interval-doc: doc package should not depend on a web browser" [Minor,Open] | 16:39 |
| oSoMoN | jbicha, that was quick: https://salsa.debian.org/pkg-octave-team/octave-interval/commit/29d526d21876ff43bfe2e939e6723c63837685c4 :) | 16:58 |
| oSoMoN | alrighty, I'm done for today, have a good evening / rest of the day everyone! | 17:37 |
| willcooke | night | 18:56 |
| jbicha | https://feaneron.com/2018/05/14/improving-the-development-experience-for-gnome-settings/ | 23:03 |
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