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| zmoylan-pi | huzzah \o/ | 00:42 |
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| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 06:39 |
| * zmoylan-pi waves quietly so as not to gain the attention of the monday out there... o/ | 06:53 | |
| brobostigon | o/ | 07:05 |
| Nafallo | morning | 07:29 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 08:10 |
| * diddledan mumbles something incoherent about monday | 08:49 | |
| SuperMatt | I resemble that remark | 08:49 |
| * Nafallo mumbles something about annoying neighbours drilling in the walls | 08:54 | |
| daftykins | diddledan: huh? was it dead? | 13:35 |
| diddledan | yeah it died on thursday | 13:35 |
| daftykins | wutcha do? :o | 13:36 |
| diddledan | flashing while on a wonky psu which decided to die immediately after the flash | 13:36 |
| diddledan | psu is replaced. bios reflashed using emergency mode | 13:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | henceforth the pc will be known as jesus... :-P | 13:37 |
| daftykins | cor thats some rough luck | 13:41 |
| daftykins | diddledan: what's the emergency mode? dual BIOS board? | 13:44 |
| diddledan | nope, there was enough bios still intact that I could hold ctrl+home to cause it to probe usb thingies for a fat32 filesystem containing an amiboot.rom file which it flashes automatically | 13:45 |
| daftykins | hah, jammy | 13:45 |
| diddledan | apparently there's two parts of the bios - the boot block and the main payload. if the boot block is still intact then it can do a blind flash like that | 13:46 |
| daftykins | yeah you often see an update only erasing the main portion | 13:46 |
| Nafallo | you shouldn't put nails in PSUs. just saying. | 14:06 |
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| nucc1 | daftykins: do you use dnsmasq for dhcp on your router? | 21:21 |
| daftykins | i don't run a custom one capable | 21:22 |
| nucc1 | hmmm, ok. i noticed that my desktop loses connection when it's renewing dhcp lease, and i think this is the first time i experienced this. or maybe i never just noticed it before | 21:23 |
| daftykins | any reason to run DHCP at home? | 21:23 |
| nucc1 | well, it's easy... | 21:23 |
| nucc1 | i'll just set a long lease | 21:23 |
| daftykins | i assume we're talking wired, here? | 21:24 |
| nucc1 | nah, wifi. gave up on wires. | 21:27 |
| nucc1 | mesh router, easily test 200+ mbps, which covers my internet and then some | 21:28 |
| daftykins | ugh | 21:28 |
| nucc1 | mesh wifi access points... custom router. | 21:28 |
| daftykins | i am so disappointed :) | 21:28 |
| daftykins | yeah fan of buzzwords much? :) | 21:28 |
| daftykins | must be a driver quirk | 21:28 |
| nucc1 | i'll be interested in ethernet if they could do something better than 1G | 21:28 |
| nucc1 | the only time i need those speeds, ethernet is too slow (when I'm moving virtual machines) | 21:29 |
| nucc1 | what driver quirk? right now, my PC is connected at 867mbps | 21:29 |
| nucc1 | my internet is only 200mbps | 21:29 |
| nucc1 | and i rarely need to transfer super large files, so wires are totally unnecessary | 21:30 |
| daftykins | typically the kind that results in the tripping up at DHCP lease renegotiation time, like you just said | 21:32 |
| daftykins | you do realise that 2.5, 5 and 10Gbps are a thing, yeah? | 21:32 |
| daftykins | certainly agree though, throwing VMs and HD video around sure does crawl | 21:32 |
| daftykins | even at 110MB/sec :( | 21:32 |
| nucc1 | i mean, won't any computer lose connection when it is renewing a dhcp lease? | 21:33 |
| nucc1 | we've been stuck at 1gbps for a decade. and no, 2.5G and 5G ethernet aren't yet at a price point and form factor that a home user would consider | 21:33 |
| daftykins | no | 21:33 |
| daftykins | yeah they are actually, because between points you only need the NICs and a cable | 21:34 |
| daftykins | pretty cheap to grab a couple off ebay | 21:34 |
| nucc1 | I don't see any desktop 8-port 2.5G ethernet switches | 21:35 |
| daftykins | just pointed out you don't need a switch because not every host would need to have the upgraded speed | 21:35 |
| nucc1 | why would i want a point-to point system? | 21:36 |
| nucc1 | and if i had a switch, it would presumably be back compatible with 1G | 21:36 |
| daftykins | 'cause often you'd only really have two hosts you want the high speed between, then the rest can be more basic | 21:37 |
| nucc1 | heh. I'm not about to start fiddling with cables when i want to transfer files. that would put me off the entire activity | 21:37 |
| nucc1 | it's like the industry gave up too. | 21:37 |
| daftykins | you wouldn't, it'd be a secondary subnet permanently connected that you just map drives over | 21:37 |
| nucc1 | i admire your enthusiasm :) | 21:38 |
| daftykins | my goodness you are chatting a lot of rubbish considering you don't seem to know about this stuff | 21:38 |
| nucc1 | I do know about the stuff. | 21:38 |
| nucc1 | I just value convenience. | 21:38 |
| daftykins | then why is this pretty simple suggestion tripping you up so? | 21:38 |
| nucc1 | it's not tripping me up, it's just not worth the effort to me. | 21:39 |
| nucc1 | i'll happily buy the next iteration of wifi accesspoints that improve speed | 21:39 |
| nucc1 | or if they ship a 5 or 8 port ethernet switch that supports the new speeds and fits behind my set top box, i'll get one | 21:39 |
| daftykins | two cheap NICs, cat6 or better single cable run - job done, 10Gb - but then you don't have the storage necessarily capable of using it | 21:39 |
| nucc1 | yea, i'm not saying it's not possible, but that setup is not for me. | 21:40 |
| daftykins | you already said you're on 866Mb -ac, which means you're on 2:2 stream low end -ac, not even the top tier of current wifi specs | 21:40 |
| nucc1 | Indeed, when i need to move my VMs, i just use usb3 | 21:40 |
| daftykins | i have the same and see ~50MB/sec tops in the same room, so under half what gigabit LAN does | 21:41 |
| nucc1 | it's not too often. example, i did the move last week while adding a new ssd into my machine. | 21:41 |
| daftykins | sneakernet in your own home, bit ghetto | 21:42 |
| nucc1 | please tell me about your snazzy wifi :) | 21:42 |
| nucc1 | because i've never felt like my 866 mbps wifi was a bottleneck | 21:43 |
| nucc1 | especially when compared to my Virgin Media connection. | 21:43 |
| nucc1 | I've also found when gaming, that when virgin media is not in the mood, it doesn't matter whether i'm on wifi or ethernet | 21:43 |
| daftykins | have you had a long day or something? | 21:45 |
| nucc1 | I see it similar to camera pixels. it's not the number of pixels, it's the quality of them. | 21:45 |
| daftykins | 50MB/sec is a file tranfer between a wired and wireless host | 21:46 |
| nucc1 | which is plenty of speed except when you're dealing with large files | 21:46 |
| daftykins | which is when wired to wired is nice @ 110MB/sec but still crawling for HD video and VMs yeah | 21:47 |
| nucc1 | i've done the whole wires everywhere thing before, i put in this current router (Linksys Velop) in February of this year. | 21:47 |
| nucc1 | wifi is now good enough in my view. | 21:47 |
| nucc1 | I stopped bothering with video files too. | 21:47 |
| nucc1 | I used to spend more on blurays than cable, netflix, and amazon combined cost me each month | 21:48 |
| nucc1 | so that need for speed is no longer there for me | 21:48 |
| nucc1 | if i suddenly ended up with a 1G Internet link, then i'd have to seriously reconsider using ethernet | 21:48 |
| nucc1 | maybe in 2025 or something, or whenever virgin media feels the need | 21:49 |
| daftykins | it's unlikely anything you'd do would make use of it - as a friend in Tokyo has discovered | 21:49 |
| nucc1 | Yes, but I'd want it just for the fun of having it | 21:49 |
| daftykins | much like the gimmicky mesh setup i imagine | 21:49 |
| nucc1 | No, the mesh setup was a real upgrade for me. | 21:50 |
| nucc1 | Value coverage and stability over headline speed. | 21:50 |
| nucc1 | I could hardly care about maxing out my internet when i'm using my phone in the conservatory | 21:50 |
| nucc1 | but i can easily stream any video i want with no dropouts | 21:50 |
| nucc1 | on the PC i'm sitting at now, it's got line of sight with the router, so I get pretty much as good as I can get speed for wifi | 21:51 |
| nucc1 | which again, more than adequate for everything, save the once or twice a year transfer of big files | 21:51 |
| nucc1 | anyway, i've just set my DHCP lease to 1 week. | 21:52 |
| nucc1 | so connection dropouts should be less frequent now :d | 21:52 |
| daftykins | beats working out the real reason i'm sure, especially if the expiry time is when you're asleep | 21:53 |
| nucc1 | I could just set a static IP too. | 21:53 |
| nucc1 | I think this is normal. | 21:53 |
| daftykins | nope | 21:53 |
| daftykins | neither is working hard to justify choosing a slower option then complaining about speed xD | 21:54 |
| daftykins | have a great evening - and don't seek me out again, please | 21:54 |
| nucc1 | oh well... my apologies. I only wanted to know if this was normal. It's not | 21:55 |
| nucc1 | but i'm fine with my workaround. | 21:55 |
| nucc1 | it's not a mission critical network or anything | 21:55 |
| nucc1 | fwiw, microsoft has a pretty good guide what should happen (IP is renewed halfway through the lease): https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-2000-server/cc958935(v%3dtechnet.10) . There's no way that speed has anything to do with this. So the DHCP theory is moot. | 22:45 |
| ali1234 | do you get the same IP at renewal time? | 23:00 |
| nucc1 | Yes, I can see that the IP is being obtained. | 23:07 |
| nucc1 | ali1234: I am beginning to suspect that it may be related to my work VPN. | 23:07 |
| nucc1 | like, if the lease renewal happens to fall while i'm connected to vpn, then it fails. | 23:07 |
| nucc1 | and then later (like tonight) when I'm not on VPN, it is at the end of the IP and must disconnect and start anew. | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | very possible | 23:08 |
| nucc1 | I tested with a 1h lease, and i saw the renewal happen at 30 minutes. | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | do you know what a split tunnel means? | 23:09 |
| nucc1 | yes. unfortunately, i don't have admin control over my work tunnel, and a full tunnel is enforced | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | there you go then. your DHCP request is probably being sent over the VPN tunnel when you are connected to it | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | that will of course fail | 23:10 |
| nucc1 | Yea. I'll verify this tomorrow. | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | then when the lease expires, you'll be disconnected from the LAN, and so disconnected from the VPN, at which point DHCP will work again | 23:10 |
| nucc1 | indeed. i'm afraid of thinking i've seen this happen before (memory can be untrustworthy), but I'll set a 1 hour lease time tomorrow again and see if my vpn drops after 1 hour | 23:11 |
| nucc1 | (i mean today) :d | 23:11 |
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