[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah \o/
[06:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:53]  * zmoylan-pi waves quietly so as not to gain the attention of the monday out there... o/
[07:05] <brobostigon> o/
[07:29] <Nafallo> morning
[08:10] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:49]  * diddledan mumbles something incoherent about monday
[08:49] <SuperMatt> I resemble that remark
[08:54]  * Nafallo mumbles something about annoying neighbours drilling in the walls
[13:35] <daftykins> diddledan: huh? was it dead?
[13:35] <diddledan> yeah it died on thursday
[13:36] <daftykins> wutcha do? :o
[13:36] <diddledan> flashing while on a wonky psu which decided to die immediately after the flash
[13:36] <diddledan> psu is replaced. bios reflashed using emergency mode
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> henceforth the pc will be known as jesus... :-P
[13:41] <daftykins> cor thats some rough luck
[13:44] <daftykins> diddledan: what's the emergency mode? dual BIOS board?
[13:45] <diddledan> nope, there was enough bios still intact that I could hold ctrl+home to cause it to probe usb thingies for a fat32 filesystem containing an amiboot.rom file which it flashes automatically
[13:45] <daftykins> hah, jammy
[13:46] <diddledan> apparently there's two parts of the bios - the boot block and the main payload. if the boot block is still intact then it can do a blind flash like that
[13:46] <daftykins> yeah you often see an update only erasing the main portion
[14:06] <Nafallo> you shouldn't put nails in PSUs. just saying.
[21:21] <nucc1> daftykins: do you use dnsmasq for dhcp on your router?
[21:22] <daftykins> i don't run a custom one capable
[21:23] <nucc1> hmmm, ok. i noticed that my desktop loses connection when it's renewing dhcp lease, and i think this is the first time i experienced this. or maybe i never just noticed it before
[21:23] <daftykins> any reason to run DHCP at home?
[21:23] <nucc1> well, it's easy...
[21:23] <nucc1> i'll just set a long lease
[21:24] <daftykins> i assume we're talking wired, here?
[21:27] <nucc1> nah, wifi. gave up on wires.
[21:28] <nucc1> mesh router, easily test 200+ mbps, which covers my internet and then some
[21:28] <daftykins> ugh
[21:28] <nucc1> mesh wifi access points... custom router.
[21:28] <daftykins> i am so disappointed :)
[21:28] <daftykins> yeah fan of buzzwords much? :)
[21:28] <daftykins> must be a driver quirk
[21:28] <nucc1> i'll be interested in ethernet if they could do something better than 1G
[21:29] <nucc1> the only time i need those speeds, ethernet is too slow (when I'm moving virtual machines)
[21:29] <nucc1> what driver quirk? right now, my PC is connected at 867mbps
[21:29] <nucc1> my internet is only 200mbps
[21:30] <nucc1> and i rarely need to transfer super large files, so wires are totally unnecessary
[21:32] <daftykins> typically the kind that results in the tripping up at DHCP lease renegotiation time, like you just said
[21:32] <daftykins> you do realise that 2.5, 5 and 10Gbps are a thing, yeah?
[21:32] <daftykins> certainly agree though, throwing VMs and HD video around sure does crawl
[21:32] <daftykins> even at 110MB/sec :(
[21:33] <nucc1> i mean, won't any computer lose connection when it is renewing a dhcp lease?
[21:33] <nucc1> we've been stuck at 1gbps for a decade. and no, 2.5G and 5G ethernet aren't yet at a price point and form factor that a home user would consider
[21:33] <daftykins> no
[21:34] <daftykins> yeah they are actually, because between points you only need the NICs and a cable
[21:34] <daftykins> pretty cheap to grab a couple off ebay
[21:35] <nucc1> I don't see any desktop 8-port 2.5G ethernet switches
[21:35] <daftykins> just pointed out you don't need a switch because not every host would need to have the upgraded speed
[21:36] <nucc1> why would i want a point-to point system?
[21:36] <nucc1> and if i had a switch, it would presumably be back compatible with 1G
[21:37] <daftykins> 'cause often you'd only really have two hosts you want the high speed between, then the rest can be more basic
[21:37] <nucc1> heh. I'm not about to start fiddling with cables when i want to transfer files. that would put me off the entire activity
[21:37] <nucc1> it's like the industry gave up too.
[21:37] <daftykins> you wouldn't, it'd be a secondary subnet permanently connected that you just map drives over
[21:38] <nucc1> i admire your enthusiasm :)
[21:38] <daftykins> my goodness you are chatting a lot of rubbish considering you don't seem to know about this stuff
[21:38] <nucc1> I do know about the stuff.
[21:38] <nucc1> I just value convenience.
[21:38] <daftykins> then why is this pretty simple suggestion tripping you up so?
[21:39] <nucc1> it's not tripping me up, it's just not worth the effort to me.
[21:39] <nucc1> i'll happily buy the next iteration of wifi accesspoints that improve speed
[21:39] <nucc1> or if they ship a 5 or 8 port ethernet switch that supports the new speeds and fits behind my set top box, i'll get one
[21:39] <daftykins> two cheap NICs, cat6 or better single cable run - job done, 10Gb - but then you don't have the storage necessarily capable of using it
[21:40] <nucc1> yea, i'm not saying it's not possible, but that setup is not for me.
[21:40] <daftykins> you already said you're on 866Mb -ac, which means you're on 2:2 stream low end -ac, not even the top tier of current wifi specs
[21:40] <nucc1> Indeed, when i need to move my VMs, i just use usb3
[21:41] <daftykins> i have the same and see ~50MB/sec tops in the same room, so under half what gigabit LAN does
[21:41] <nucc1> it's not too often. example, i did the move last week while adding a new ssd into my machine.
[21:42] <daftykins> sneakernet in your own home, bit ghetto
[21:42] <nucc1> please tell me about your snazzy wifi :)
[21:43] <nucc1> because i've never felt like my 866 mbps wifi was a bottleneck
[21:43] <nucc1> especially when compared to my Virgin Media connection.
[21:43] <nucc1> I've also found when gaming, that when virgin media is not in the mood, it doesn't matter whether i'm on wifi or ethernet
[21:45] <daftykins> have you had a long day or something?
[21:45] <nucc1> I see it similar to camera pixels. it's not the number of pixels, it's the quality of them.
[21:46] <daftykins> 50MB/sec is a file tranfer between a wired and wireless host
[21:46] <nucc1> which is plenty of speed except when you're dealing with large files
[21:47] <daftykins> which is when wired to wired is nice @ 110MB/sec but still crawling for HD video and VMs yeah
[21:47] <nucc1> i've done the whole wires everywhere thing before, i put in this current router (Linksys Velop) in February of this year.
[21:47] <nucc1> wifi is now good enough in my view.
[21:47] <nucc1> I stopped bothering with video files too.
[21:48] <nucc1> I used to spend more on blurays than cable, netflix, and amazon combined cost me each month
[21:48] <nucc1> so that need for speed is no longer there for me
[21:48] <nucc1> if i suddenly ended up with a 1G Internet link, then i'd have to seriously reconsider using ethernet
[21:49] <nucc1> maybe in 2025 or something, or whenever virgin media feels the need
[21:49] <daftykins> it's unlikely anything you'd do would make use of it - as a friend in Tokyo has discovered
[21:49] <nucc1> Yes, but I'd want it just for the fun of having it
[21:49] <daftykins> much like the gimmicky mesh setup i imagine
[21:50] <nucc1> No, the mesh setup was a real upgrade for me.
[21:50] <nucc1> Value coverage and stability over headline speed.
[21:50] <nucc1> I could hardly care about maxing out my internet when i'm using my phone in the conservatory
[21:50] <nucc1> but i can easily stream any video i want with no dropouts
[21:51] <nucc1> on the PC i'm sitting at now, it's got line of sight with the router, so I get pretty much as good as I can get speed for wifi
[21:51] <nucc1> which again, more than adequate for everything, save the once or twice a year transfer of big files
[21:52] <nucc1> anyway, i've just set my DHCP lease to 1 week.
[21:52] <nucc1> so connection dropouts should be less frequent now :d
[21:53] <daftykins> beats working out the real reason i'm sure, especially if the expiry time is when you're asleep
[21:53] <nucc1> I could just set a static IP too.
[21:53] <nucc1> I think this is normal.
[21:53] <daftykins> nope
[21:54] <daftykins> neither is working hard to justify choosing a slower option then complaining about speed xD
[21:54] <daftykins> have a great evening - and don't seek me out again, please
[21:55] <nucc1> oh well... my apologies. I only wanted to know if this was normal. It's not
[21:55] <nucc1> but i'm fine with my workaround.
[21:55] <nucc1> it's not a mission critical network or anything
[22:45] <nucc1> fwiw, microsoft has a pretty good guide what should happen (IP is renewed halfway through the lease): https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-2000-server/cc958935(v%3dtechnet.10) . There's no way that speed has anything to do with this. So the DHCP theory is moot.
[23:00] <ali1234> do you get the same IP at renewal time?
[23:07] <nucc1> Yes, I can see that the IP is being obtained.
[23:07] <nucc1> ali1234: I am beginning to suspect that it may be related to my work VPN.
[23:07] <nucc1> like, if the lease renewal happens to fall while i'm connected to vpn, then it fails.
[23:08] <nucc1> and then later (like tonight) when I'm not on VPN, it is at the end of the IP and must disconnect and start anew.
[23:08] <ali1234> very possible
[23:08] <nucc1> I tested with a 1h lease, and i saw the renewal happen at 30 minutes.
[23:09] <ali1234> do you know what a split tunnel means?
[23:09] <nucc1> yes. unfortunately, i don't have admin control over my work tunnel, and a full tunnel is enforced
[23:09] <ali1234> there you go then. your DHCP request is probably being sent over the VPN tunnel when you are connected to it
[23:10] <ali1234> that will of course fail
[23:10] <nucc1> Yea. I'll verify this tomorrow.
[23:10] <ali1234> then when the lease expires, you'll be disconnected from the LAN, and so disconnected from the VPN, at which point DHCP will work again
[23:11] <nucc1> indeed. i'm afraid of thinking i've seen this happen before (memory can be untrustworthy), but I'll set a 1 hour lease time tomorrow again and see if my vpn drops after 1 hour
[23:11] <nucc1> (i mean today) :d