[12:41] <rick_h_> morning
[12:41] <rick_h_> does flatpak not have a place folks can stick things?
[12:41] <rick_h_> I'm curious on what the actual fallout was. e.g. did the confinement bits do their job?
[12:42] <rick_h_> or were they put in as --classic or something that allowed it to do bad things still
[13:31] <jrwren> the prob was a bitcoin miner, so it didn't really have to break confinement, it only needed to use CPU
[13:31] <jrwren> and GPU
[13:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: right, but how's that different than what folks can do with any other place to upload software?
[13:34] <jrwren> its not. it is snap getting a bad rep for something that could happen anywhere.
[13:35] <jrwren> its not likely to happen in core debian or ubuntu because that software is all built from source and reviewed, unlike these new binary distribution mechanisms.
[13:35] <jrwren> But really, it just as likely could have been a PPA.
[13:35] <jrwren> The difference is that one has to opt into a PPA. Snap is there by default in ubuntu now.
[13:37] <rick_h_> Yea, I'll be curious how folks handle it internally
[13:41] <cmaloney> good morning
[13:53] <waldo323> good morning
[13:53] <rick_h_> party
[13:56] <jrwren> Good morning.
[13:58] <cmaloney> rick_h_: JoDee is experimenting with pour-over coffee
[13:58] <rick_h_> cmaloney: hah, fun stuff
[13:58] <cmaloney> we didn't go "full Rick" though. Not yet.
[13:58] <rick_h_> cmaloney: one tip, I found to really grind fine if possible
[13:58] <cmaloney> We didn't get the burr grinder yet
[13:58] <rick_h_> hah ok
[13:59] <cmaloney> mostly because finding bean coffee locally is a real PITA
[13:59] <dzho> so, I've got this automatic drip coffee maker that takes the cone filters. It has this spring loaded stopper so you can pour from a half-brewed carafe: Remove the carafe and the stopper holds up (most of) the liquid still in the cone.
[13:59] <cmaloney> (we have a mill and brew coffee maker and grind in the basket)
[13:59] <cmaloney> dzho: you're half-way there
[13:59] <rick_h_> cmaloney: http://a.co/6t4rcWt great way to meditate the morning away :P
[13:59] <dzho> I do this thing where I wet the grounds the night before to let them soak.
[13:59] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, I mail order from peets
[14:00] <jrwren> dang, I should try pour over.
[14:00] <dzho> Wegmans and Costco carry Peets here.
[14:00] <rick_h_> dzho: cool
[14:00] <jrwren> its probably easier than french press.
[14:00] <rick_h_> I find it less bitter since you get more of the smaller ground bits out
[14:00] <rick_h_> the fresh press isn't fine enough and over time the coffee will get worse while it sits in the mug
[14:00] <dzho> I was inspired to try this when I tried cold brew and then had a total mess on my hands trying to pour grounds+liquid around to filter it.
[14:01] <rick_h_> and the pour over let's me do iced/cold coffee really well. I make up a pitcher on the weekend and then have a glass of iced coffee each morning
[14:02] <rick_h_> 60g of ground light roast coffee, pour over with 800g of kettle water + 300g of fresh cold water and yummy
[14:04] <brousch> The coffee grit is the best part of French press. Who doesn't like to chew their coffee?
[14:04] <rick_h_> lol
[14:05] <dzho> heh
[14:05] <jrwren> brousch: well, when I grind my own its easy, to make a large grind perfect for french press
[14:05] <jrwren> but since preground is always sized for drip, yes, the grit is terrible.
[14:07] <brousch> I have had Biggby grind it, but it isn't large enough. The grinder at Meijer is large enough, but there's always residue from other people's grinds in there
[14:07] <dzho> hell is other people's grinds
[14:08] <rick_h_> yea, I've never roasted myself but I love grinding myself
[14:09] <rick_h_> I used to pre-grind and keep a bunch in the rv trailer but missed the fresher grind so now have that little hand grinder which works well
[14:09] <rick_h_> but can be a bit of noise/work in the morning lol
[14:10] <dzho> we used to visit a friend's cottage. The hand grinder shook the whole place.
[14:12] <jrwren> brousch: buy your own grinder?
[14:13] <jrwren> rick_h_: oh! i love those little hand grinders!
[14:13] <brousch> I have a small one. I guess I could experiment and fine tune it
[14:13] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, nice simple and works well
[14:13] <jrwren> dzho: that sounds like a big table mount grinder. Those are cool too.
[14:14] <dzho> yeah.
[14:16] <jrwren> i use this, it is inexpensive enough and does a good job: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AR7SY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[14:16] <jrwren> have had it for 7yrs or so, and its still going.
[14:16] <rick_h_> nice, burr is the key. I used a bladed one at first and that was a disaster
[14:17] <jrwren> same.
[14:17] <rick_h_> then I went all in http://a.co/8xBpaFt
[14:17] <jrwren> nice!
[14:17] <dzho> someone got a burred hand grinder to recommend?
[14:18] <rick_h_> yea, it's like the kitchen aid mixers, last one you'll ever buy kind of things
[14:18] <rick_h_> dzho: that one I linked is what I use when camping that's burr hand grinder
[14:18] <rick_h_> http://a.co/6t4rcWt
[14:19] <dzho> oh thanks for reposting it I didn't look far enough back
[14:20] <rick_h_> dzho: yea my bad, I realized it was probably more helpful to just link again :)
[14:20]  * rick_h_ blames monday
[14:21] <dzho> yes, let's do that
[15:00] <waldo323> I thought there were a few local places that brought beans in, one right by i3detroit
[15:01] <jrwren> what do you mean? to roast? there are lots of local roasts. Roos Roast in Ann Arbor for example.
[15:07] <cmaloney> I'm talking about selection at Meijer
[15:07] <cmaloney> seems they have a hard time not bringing everything in already ground
[15:09] <jrwren> 100% agree.
[15:09] <jrwren> especially if you are limited to decaf :(
[15:09] <cmaloney> Oh you're screwed if you can only drink decaf
[15:09] <cmaloney> at that point you're better served by the Keurig
[15:09] <cmaloney> which is sad
[15:10] <jrwren> I had to give up caffeine. :(  I went threw withdrawal. It wasn't pretty.
[15:10] <rick_h_> yea, I have to remind myself to stick to one in the morning and to skip every so often