[12:41] morning [12:41] does flatpak not have a place folks can stick things? [12:41] I'm curious on what the actual fallout was. e.g. did the confinement bits do their job? [12:42] or were they put in as --classic or something that allowed it to do bad things still [13:31] the prob was a bitcoin miner, so it didn't really have to break confinement, it only needed to use CPU [13:31] and GPU [13:33] jrwren: right, but how's that different than what folks can do with any other place to upload software? [13:34] its not. it is snap getting a bad rep for something that could happen anywhere. [13:35] its not likely to happen in core debian or ubuntu because that software is all built from source and reviewed, unlike these new binary distribution mechanisms. [13:35] But really, it just as likely could have been a PPA. [13:35] The difference is that one has to opt into a PPA. Snap is there by default in ubuntu now. [13:37] Yea, I'll be curious how folks handle it internally [13:41] good morning [13:53] good morning [13:53] party [13:56] Good morning. [13:58] rick_h_: JoDee is experimenting with pour-over coffee [13:58] cmaloney: hah, fun stuff [13:58] we didn't go "full Rick" though. Not yet. [13:58] cmaloney: one tip, I found to really grind fine if possible [13:58] We didn't get the burr grinder yet [13:58] hah ok [13:59] mostly because finding bean coffee locally is a real PITA [13:59] so, I've got this automatic drip coffee maker that takes the cone filters. It has this spring loaded stopper so you can pour from a half-brewed carafe: Remove the carafe and the stopper holds up (most of) the liquid still in the cone. [13:59] (we have a mill and brew coffee maker and grind in the basket) [13:59] dzho: you're half-way there [13:59] cmaloney: http://a.co/6t4rcWt great way to meditate the morning away :P [13:59] I do this thing where I wet the grounds the night before to let them soak. [13:59] cmaloney: yea, I mail order from peets [14:00] dang, I should try pour over. [14:00] Wegmans and Costco carry Peets here. [14:00] dzho: cool [14:00] its probably easier than french press. [14:00] I find it less bitter since you get more of the smaller ground bits out [14:00] the fresh press isn't fine enough and over time the coffee will get worse while it sits in the mug [14:00] I was inspired to try this when I tried cold brew and then had a total mess on my hands trying to pour grounds+liquid around to filter it. [14:01] and the pour over let's me do iced/cold coffee really well. I make up a pitcher on the weekend and then have a glass of iced coffee each morning [14:02] 60g of ground light roast coffee, pour over with 800g of kettle water + 300g of fresh cold water and yummy [14:04] The coffee grit is the best part of French press. Who doesn't like to chew their coffee? [14:04] lol [14:05] heh [14:05] brousch: well, when I grind my own its easy, to make a large grind perfect for french press [14:05] but since preground is always sized for drip, yes, the grit is terrible. [14:07] I have had Biggby grind it, but it isn't large enough. The grinder at Meijer is large enough, but there's always residue from other people's grinds in there [14:07] hell is other people's grinds [14:08] yea, I've never roasted myself but I love grinding myself [14:09] I used to pre-grind and keep a bunch in the rv trailer but missed the fresher grind so now have that little hand grinder which works well [14:09] but can be a bit of noise/work in the morning lol [14:10] we used to visit a friend's cottage. The hand grinder shook the whole place. [14:12] brousch: buy your own grinder? [14:13] rick_h_: oh! i love those little hand grinders! [14:13] I have a small one. I guess I could experiment and fine tune it [14:13] jrwren: yea, nice simple and works well [14:13] dzho: that sounds like a big table mount grinder. Those are cool too. [14:14] yeah. [14:16] i use this, it is inexpensive enough and does a good job: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AR7SY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 [14:16] have had it for 7yrs or so, and its still going. [14:16] nice, burr is the key. I used a bladed one at first and that was a disaster [14:17] same. [14:17] then I went all in http://a.co/8xBpaFt [14:17] nice! [14:17] someone got a burred hand grinder to recommend? [14:18] yea, it's like the kitchen aid mixers, last one you'll ever buy kind of things [14:18] dzho: that one I linked is what I use when camping that's burr hand grinder [14:18] http://a.co/6t4rcWt [14:19] oh thanks for reposting it I didn't look far enough back [14:20] dzho: yea my bad, I realized it was probably more helpful to just link again :) [14:20] * rick_h_ blames monday [14:21] yes, let's do that [15:00] I thought there were a few local places that brought beans in, one right by i3detroit [15:01] what do you mean? to roast? there are lots of local roasts. Roos Roast in Ann Arbor for example. [15:07] I'm talking about selection at Meijer [15:07] seems they have a hard time not bringing everything in already ground [15:09] 100% agree. [15:09] especially if you are limited to decaf :( [15:09] Oh you're screwed if you can only drink decaf [15:09] at that point you're better served by the Keurig [15:09] which is sad [15:10] I had to give up caffeine. :( I went threw withdrawal. It wasn't pretty. [15:10] yea, I have to remind myself to stick to one in the morning and to skip every so often