[00:02] <ph88> what are linux-modules ?
[00:02] <ph88> do i need it ?
[00:03] <oerheks> ph88, i think you need settings > devices > displays, some setting can mirror on single display ?
[00:03] <oerheks> maybe you had 2 displays before...
[00:03] <ph88> noes .. nothing i can do there
[00:03] <ph88> i didn't have 2 display before
[00:05] <ph88> to answer my own question: i need it to resolve dependencies
[00:05] <oerheks> Completely fixed by released 4.16 kernel .. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7x9p3i/2200g_and_2400g_on_linux/
[00:06] <oerheks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16.8/ would be the latest..
[00:06] <oerheks> !mainline
[00:07] <oerheks> too new hardware
[00:07] <ph88> so what do i do now ?
[00:07] <ph88> i can't even properly follow the installer with this screen
[00:07] <ph88> can i upgrade the usb stick first with the new kernel ?
[00:10] <jswagner> if you know how to do that :)
[00:11] <jswagner> i'm not 100% sure how ubuntu treats kernels these days but i'd suspect it will be awhile before 18.04 picks up 4.16 and ships an ISO with it.
[00:12] <ph88> i like to try ubuntu on my new pc now :P
[00:12] <oerheks> not sure 4.16.x will land in 18.04, and ...
[00:12] <oerheks> Linux Kernel 5.0 will be released in a few months. Ubuntu 18.10 should have the new Kernel 5.0.
[00:12] <jswagner> Fedora 28 has 4.16 kernel
[00:13] <jswagner> and is better anyway
[00:13] <oerheks> you can have too, on an installed system, and installing on such double screen can be done with a little patience
[00:14] <ph88> the installer window doesn't resize to smaller size .. i don't see what i'm clicking
[00:14] <jswagner> you can use keyboard shortcuts to complete the installation, assuming you know what they are ahead of time
[00:14] <ph88> i don't know :P
[00:14] <ph88> lol
[00:14] <oerheks> or use ctrl alt f2 to login in TTY, and download them them manually
[00:15] <jswagner> does ubuntu even offer the alternative media with text-based installation anymore
[00:15] <oerheks> sure you have a nice working machine now, using irc, so you can read the wiki
[00:15] <jswagner> honestly just go install fedora, it will 'just work' for you
[00:15] <oerheks> meh, don't advertise fedora here
[00:16] <jswagner> ubuntu 18.04 simply doesn't support your hardware and alternatives include installing from unsupported PPAs
[00:16] <jswagner> i wouldn't want to run a machine like that
[00:17] <ph88> i can install the kernel from mainline and once ubuntu releases newer kernel it will just replace it i think
[00:17] <fractal> i can't get ubuntu to install at all
[00:17] <jswagner> no you'll be on the PPA and constantly receiving 'fresh' kernels from it
[00:18] <fractal> back to distro hopping i go
[00:18] <jswagner> which aren't scrutinized by ubuntu devs
[00:20] <ph88> maybe i can scale the installer menu somehow ?
[00:20] <ph88> so it's zoomed 25% ?
[00:21] <ph88> jswagner, i wanted to install the debs, not add ppa
[00:21] <tohsa> Where do -dev pacages get installed? Trying to find the headers for libpulse and I installed lippulse-dev
[00:22] <jswagner> won't the package manager just reinstall the older kernel the first time you 'apt upgrade'?
[00:22] <EriC^^> tohsa: try "dpkg -L libpulse-dev"
[00:22] <oerheks> enabled sources too ?
[00:23] <jswagner> ph88: set up a virtual machine and use it to discover the keyboard shortcut keys as you do the install on your real hardware
[00:24] <tohsa> EriC^^, ah thanks...was look for the include folder in /, but apparently it is only in usr
[00:28] <oerheks> ph88, such new machine, check out bios updates? https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming-ITXac/index.asp#BIOS
[00:29] <ph88> wow even a newer bios
[00:29] <ph88> thx
[00:29] <ph88> i'm on 4.50 i think
[00:30] <oerheks> if you could boot, sudo dmidecode something
[00:31] <ph88> dmidecode ?
[00:31] <oerheks> dmidecode | less
[00:33] <tomreyn> dmidecode --type bios
[00:34] <ph88> im in the bios now
[00:34] <ph88> i will check with virtualbox first how to do the setup with keybindings
[00:37] <WoC> is there a way to add a key to apt-key using only the key id ?
[00:40] <oerheks> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 00000000
[00:41] <oerheks> Replacing the 00000000 with the second part of the key informed in the PPA website that you want to add.
[00:41] <WoC> ty, almost same as gpg
[00:42] <WoC> [;
[00:53] <SporkWitch> WoC: that's because it's using gpg, it just keeps an independent keyring :P
[01:05] <ca_cabotage> hey all, trying to setup a reverse proxy for my unifi controller on nginx, but the https is a pain in the ass. is there a way that i can just use the unifi controler on HTTP?
[01:08] <jswagner> ca_cabotage: have you checked out letsencrypt?
[01:09] <ca_cabotage> jswagner, yeah, i know it can be done. but i run the controller on a network i control and i'm really not worried about using it over http so it would just be an easier solution for me
[01:09] <ca_cabotage> to run it in plain http
[01:13] <SporkWitch> ca_cabotage: if you don't need https, just put http in the rule instead of https
[01:13] <ca_cabotage> SporkWitch, where do i put that setting in?
[01:15] <SporkWitch> ca_cabotage: https://lmgtfy.com/?s=d&q=set+up+reverse+proxy+with+nginx
[01:15] <SporkWitch> if you have more specific questions, i recommend directing them to #nginx, as this is not a ubuntu-specific thing
[01:16] <ph88> jswagner, SlidingHorn oerheks  i managed to install ubuntu using the zoom functionality + top half setting .. strangely enough if i boot from HDD i don't have the fucked up graphics .. only when i boot from usb stick
[01:16] <ca_cabotage> oh gotya, i didn't mean nginx - i meant use HTTP on the unifi controller
[01:16] <SporkWitch> i would need to check the documentation on it, so you should check the documentation on it :P
[01:17] <ca_cabotage> haha alright, i'll check it out
[01:20] <oerheks> ph88, oke, thank you for feedback
[01:21] <ph88> np ^^
[01:21] <oerheks> good to know when this issue walks into this channel again, have fun with that hardware!
[01:29] <brenster23> onyo
[01:43] <brenster23> Bashing-OM
[01:43] <brenster23> Bashing-om are you online?
[01:43] <Bashing-om> brenster23: uh huh .. I be in and out .
[01:44] <brenster23> what time would work better for you?
[01:45] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Now is good .. I have cleared my deck for you . What is the status of booting ?
[01:46] <brenster23> same as last night been busy fixing my espresso gridner
[01:49] <brenster23> bashing-OM good news is that i have a good camera for photos
[01:51] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Best work is done from text files :) . So we are at booting from grub, pastebin a new ' sudo parted -l ' .
[01:52] <brenster23> will do
[01:52] <brenster23> i know but to eliminate typos
[01:53] <brenster23> i cant do sudo parted -l or parted -l
[01:54] <jordan4ibanez> Hello, I am trying to start up the latest version of arch/Ubuntu and I keep getting a kernel panic, 10th iso, 5th cd, and usb https://i.imgur.com/QoTawIa.jpg
[01:54] <jordan4ibanez> The closest I can get is this with edd and acpi disabled
[01:54] <Bashing-om> brenster23: grub has a very limited set of commands .. run parted from the liveUSB .
[01:55] <brenster23> ok
[01:55] <brenster23> give me sec
[01:56] <jswagner> jordan4ibanez: are you saying this is both arch and ubuntu installation media behaving this way?
[01:57] <jswagner> if so, please describe your hardware configuration
[01:59] <brenster23> bashing-om so i am in grub but not live usb idk why
[02:00] <Bashing-om> brenster23: ya got to reset in bios what is the boot priority .
[02:00] <brenster23> USB, USB and then ubuntu
[02:01] <brenster23> USB cd/dvd USB hard disk UEFI: verb, cd/dvd, thean hard disk ubuntu
[02:02] <brenster23> ok it booted up properlu
[02:02] <brenster23> in live USB bashing-OM
[02:02] <jordan4ibanez> jswagner: I'm running an hp z400 workstation with an e5645 xeon 6 core hyper threading on, with 12gb ecc memory, a gtx 750 ti, 2 hdds in raid 0
[02:03] <jordan4ibanez> jswagner: mobo is Hewlett-Packard 0B4Ch
[02:03] <jordan4ibanez> jswagner: chipset X58
[02:03] <Bashing-om> brenster23: in terminal ' sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 ' and pass the resulting URL back here .
[02:04] <brenster23> ok so C to command line?
[02:04] <jordan4ibanez> jswagner: I have disabled everything apci and self overclocking with intel turbo boost along with hyperthreading and I cannot get these operating systems to boot to install
[02:06] <brenster23> bashing-om and i doing this in grub or try ubuntu on live cd?
[02:06] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Now ya got me confused . the install boots up ?
[02:06] <brenster23> no sorry, on Live usb, do i do try or C for cmd line. (sorry i realized my mistake)
[02:08] <Bashing-om> brenster23: No, in the 'try ibuntu" mode activate a terminal - generally on most releases ctl+alt+t will get ya a terminal .
[02:09] <brenster23> ok, i got you sorry for my misunderstanding
[02:09] <jordan4ibanez> jswagner: Should I just ask Linus ? Hahaha
[02:10] <oerheks> chipset X58, hmmm ..  https://askubuntu.com/questions/619875/disabling-intel-turbo-boost-in-ubuntu
[02:10] <jordan4ibanez> oerheks: I disabled turbo boost and it still gave me the same kernel panic
[02:11] <jordan4ibanez> oerheks: https://i.imgur.com/QoTawIa.jpg
[02:11] <oerheks> sudo turbostat --show
[02:12] <jordan4ibanez> No oerheks, I can't actually install latest 18.04 or latest arch because they panic on boot to install
[02:12] <brenster23> pastebin is down
[02:12] <zaapiel> dude i got banned from #bitcoin for asking for a silk road invite
[02:12] <redoasis> llllllol
[02:12] <zaapiel> it suck
[02:12] <redoasis> they dnt want to loose anymore coin tot he feds lol
[02:13] <brenster23> bashing-OM pastebin.com/DB5raS2z
[02:13] <oerheks> brenster, https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[02:14] <platz> is this expected? take 30s https://pastebin.com/raw/7FgqZ6sU
[02:16] <oerheks> not bad, platz.
[02:17] <platz> i ask because it used to be almost instant, after bionic upgrade it takes 30s
[02:17] <Bashing-om> brenster23: oh yes .. booting sda8 and do you still have/need to confirm the kernel version and the UUID ?
[02:18] <brenster23> probably
[02:19] <brenster23> so i should reboot to grub?
[02:20] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Probably means run ' sudo blkid ' // and I know of no bettter way to get the kernel version than to mount that partition from the liveUSB and list the contents of the /boot directory.
[02:20] <brenster23> ok
[02:23] <brenster23> paste.ubuntu.com/p/N4wYNFkDrM/
[02:23] <brenster23> bashing-om
[02:26] <nicomachus> I'm having a monitor issue and I'm not sure if it's hardware or software related, but figured I'd start here and see where it goes. I have a second monitor that randomly goes idle and blacks out for a second. Power settings are all set for no idle and no sleep unless I manually lock, and the "displays" GUI menu doesn't seem to be able to grab any hardware info about the monitor. I have to set the
[02:27] <nicomachus> resolution with a startup xrandr script.
[02:30] <Bashing-om> brenster23: got the UUID .. now for the kernel version . we do that from the liveUSB and run ' sudo mkdir /mnt/looksee ; sudo mount /dev/sda8 /mnt/looksee ; ls -al /mnt/looksee/boot/ ; . When we are all done will UNmount looksee.
[02:30] <nicomachus> display info: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nfZtgQ2C8j/
[02:30] <brenster23> ok i will run the command
[02:35] <brenster23> Bashing-om success
[02:36] <brenster23> paste.ubuntu.com/p/vDzwYQNQJm
[02:36] <Bashing-om> ya got the kernel versions written down ,, or ya want to pass the /boot/contents to pastebin for a record ?
[02:37] <brenster23> i posted both in pastebing didnt i?
[02:38] <brenster23> i will put everything in pastebin to be safe
[02:39] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Yeah ,, got the kernels copied .. Ya ready to try and boot the server ?
[02:39] <harison> hi
[02:41] <brenster23> bashing-Om can you give me 3 mintues. i want to grab a program settings from my computer in case this doenst work.
[02:41] <brenster23> so if i need to start from scratch i can
[02:41] <swift110> hey harindu
[02:41] <swift110> hey harison
[02:42] <Bashing-om> brenster23: sure ! safty is never an accident .
[02:42] <brenster23> do you know how to back up rutorrent by chance?
[02:42] <linuxSux> sylvia iz most promising... till It Borkx otherwise until ur team fixes these OS built by a 6yr old. I'm Givin up on Linuc.
[02:42] <SporkWitch> don't let the door hit you
[02:42] <Bashing-om> brenster23: No idea what rutorrent is . explain .
[02:43] <linuxSux> Iz Linux Team Like U ubuntz guys - Rude And Snobby ??
[02:43] <harison> ubuntu based distros for low specs pc?
[02:43] <SporkWitch> harison: a bit resource-hungry for anything particulraly low
[02:44] <harison> is tori os a good distro
[02:44] <harison> ?
[02:44] <Bashing-om> harison: Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware.
[02:45] <harison> i already used lubuntu and i liked it
[02:45] <linuxSux> ie It Borx When U try Sumthing Worthwhile
[02:45] <harison> but i want a distro that uses even less resources
[02:45] <SporkWitch> linuxSux: do you have an actual question or are you just here to troll until +b?
[02:46] <SporkWitch> harison: if you like getting down in the weeds and don't necessarily mind things breaking from time to time, arch can be fun and educational, as well as VERY lightweight (it's only got what you put on it, really
[02:46] <SporkWitch> i wouldn't recommend it for something you need to just work, though
[02:47] <Bashing-om> harison: As we can not help. suggest ya see what ##linux channel advises .
[02:47] <harison> slitaz worked fine for me
[02:47] <harison> they use less resources than lubuntu
[02:47] <harison> tiny core are a good option too
[02:48] <SporkWitch> lol can tell you what ##linux will say right now: ubuntu, arch, and an assortment of absurd niche distros that aren't really viable for normal use
[02:48] <harison> but i want a sistem that uses less resources than tiny core
[02:49] <brenster23> bashing-om it is justa program i use
[02:49] <brenster23> I am copying it now, give a me like 2 mintutes
[02:49] <Bashing-om> !info rutorrent
[02:50] <brenster23> bashing-om it is fine i got it on my own, just need to copy it
[02:50] <brenster23> it is a torrenting program. i am rebooting to grub
[02:51] <Bashing-om> !info rutorrent xenial
[02:51] <SporkWitch> brenster23: it's not maintained by the ubuntu devs, s you'll need to acquire it from somewhere else
[02:51] <SporkWitch> *so
[02:52] <brenster23> so just to be clear, turn off computer remove usb go to command line in grub. I took care of it by the way
[02:52] <brenster23> Bashing-Om
[02:53] <Bashing-om> brenster23: did you back out of the /mnt/looksee ?
[02:54] <brenster23> I just shut down. i copied both outputs to a paste bin
[02:55] <brenster23> https://pastebin.com/88Bjzqcj bashing-om
[02:55] <Bashing-om> brenster23: ouch ! " When we are all done will UNmount looksee." . ouch !
[02:57] <brenster23> how bad did i fuck up?
[02:57] <Bashing-om> well,, hard to say .. not unmount could leave the file system in an inconsistenet state .
[02:58]  * brenster23 facepalms
[02:58] <brenster23> what do you want me to do now?
[02:58] <cncr04s> its gone, all gone.
[02:58] <brenster23> worst case i start over, i got the main files i needed
[03:04] <Bashing-om> brenster23: I feel the better thing now is to run another file system check and see if we need to go deeper , from the liveUSB terminal run again ' sudo e2fsck -C0 -p -f -v /dev/sda8 ' .
[03:05] <Bashing-om> brenster23: If it errors .. run sudo e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda8 ' .
[03:06] <brenster23> on live?
[03:06] <brenster23> got it
[03:07] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Yes from that liveUSB .. as the target MUST be unmounted when the check is ran .
[03:07] <brenster23> ok i am really sorry i fucked up man
[03:09] <brenster23> good news it looks like no errors. paste.ubuntu.com/p/QDWSYgr4Dt
[03:16] <brenster23> Bashing-om, so no errors
[03:21] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Great ..ok .. try now to boot the server ?
[03:21] <brenster23> ok
[03:21] <purpleunicorn> Can you please help me with installing Ubuntu? I’ve done most of it. I just don’t know what to delete when it says remove installation medium then press enter and than it restarts my laptop. What is the installation medium?
[03:21] <Bashing-om> reboot the server to grub menu, 'c' key for the command line .
[03:22] <brenster23> shutdown booting to grub
[03:22] <purpleunicorn> Are you talking to me or Bashing-om
[03:23] <matjam> purpleunicorn: it means to remove the disk or usb thumb drive from the machine
[03:23] <purpleunicorn> I used virtual box
[03:23] <matjam> purpleunicorn: then you're done
[03:23] <purpleunicorn> Do I remove virtual box
[03:23] <purpleunicorn> How am I done
[03:23] <brenster23> bashing-om in grub command line
[03:23] <purpleunicorn> It says to remove the installation medium and press enter then it restarts my laptop matjam
[03:23] <matjam> purpleunicorn: just remove the image from the virtual cd rom drive and reboot
[03:24] <Bashing-om> brenster23: set root=(hd0,gpt8) .
[03:24] <matjam> ...
[03:24] <purpleunicorn> I have no idea how to do that ...smh. Do I just remove the download package of virtual box?
[03:24] <brenster23> done, next
[03:24] <matjam> purpleunicorn: you just said you're using virtualbox
[03:24] <purpleunicorn> Is that what you’re saying?
[03:24] <purpleunicorn> I am
[03:25] <matjam> right .. so you installed ubuntu into a virtual machine inside virtualbox?
[03:25] <purpleunicorn> Yes
[03:25] <matjam> so ...
[03:25] <matjam> inside virtualbox
[03:25] <matjam> the application
[03:25] <matjam> there will be a virtual disk
[03:25] <matjam> the virtual cdrom drive
[03:25] <matjam> eject the virtual disk from the virtual cdrom drive
[03:25] <SporkWitch> that poor abused enter key :'(
[03:25] <Bashing-om> brenster23: linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-39-generic root=/dev/sda8 ro verbose .
[03:26] <matjam> and in the virtual box window, press enter and it will reboot the virtual machine
[03:26] <matjam> it has nothing to do with your virtualbox download.
[03:27] <brenster23> done next, (no errors yet)
[03:27] <purpleunicorn> Omg I didn’t even do anything and it says restoring virtual machine
[03:27] <Bashing-om> brenster23: initrd /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-39-generic .
[03:28] <purpleunicorn> Is that the picture of cd at the bottom
[03:28] <purpleunicorn> I really apologize for seeming extremely stupid
[03:28] <matjam> purpleunicorn: sounds like you need to figure out how to use virtualbox. We can't help with that, sorry.
[03:30] <brenster23> bashing-Om got it, had to remove the space from 0-39 since it gave an error with it)
[03:30] <Twist> Could anyone kick me in the right direction for trackpad troubleshooting? I'm booted off an 18.04 LiveUSB image, and while my trackpad seems to be detected (there are trackpad sections in the gnome mouse&keyboard control panel sections) it is unresponsive.
[03:31] <SporkWitch> check softkeys that toggle it, check if any kind of auto-disable is set
[03:31] <Bashing-om> brenster23: see no space .. but long as we are good, we are good .. now ' boot' .
[03:31] <brenster23> guess i am seeing things than
[03:32] <Bashing-om> brenster23: I passed as " 4.13.0-39-generic " in both instances .
[03:32] <brenster23> woops
[03:32] <brenster23> i think it was my omputer than that add it
[03:32] <Twist> SporkWitch: Is there any quick way to see status? terminal app or similar?
[03:33] <Twist> I've been away from desktop linux for a decade or so. Just sort of flailing wildly here.
[03:33] <SporkWitch> Twist: just running you through the common stuff; i don't use gnome
[03:33] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Long as you caught it, all that matters .. did the server boot or what ?
[03:33] <Twist> Seems like Ubuntu went back to gnome in this release.
[03:34] <brenster23> in emergency mode
[03:34] <brenster23> I got failed to raise network interfaces
[03:35] <SporkWitch> Twist: better than unity
[03:35] <brenster23> should i do ctrl D to continute or emergency mode. computer says see systemct1 status networking.service for details
[03:35] <brenster23> Bashing-om
[03:37] <Bashing-om> brenster23: YUK .. but did you boot out of emergeny mode into the install ?
[03:38] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Be aware I do not even want to think of re-installing grub without network ability .
[03:38] <Twist> hum.
[03:39] <Twist> This isn't me, but it's a perfect match for what I'm seeing. https://askubuntu.com/questions/876656/hid-touchpad-not-working-but-detected
[03:40] <brenster23> i am still in emergency mode
[03:40] <purpleunicorn> Ubuntu froze on me should I shut it down
[03:40] <brenster23> should i continue booting or fix?
[03:42] <brenster23> understood bashing-om
[03:42] <flyback> hexchat won't stop bombing
[03:42] <flyback> downgrading to 16.04 tomarrow
[03:43] <flyback> had enough of this garbage
[03:43] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Let's go into emergency mode and find out what controls networking .
[03:43] <brenster23> ok
[03:43] <purpleunicorn> So i shut down Ubuntu and started it back up. My login name came in but I didn’t restart the computer. When I move the cursor the screen blinks. What should I do?
[03:43] <SporkWitch> flyback: what's wrong with it?
[03:47] <brenster23> Bashing-om, i took a photo of the page. https://imgur.com/a/Q1cyaZ2
[03:49] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Nope ^ does not complete . try again .
[03:49] <brenster23> bashing-om as in reboot?
[03:49] <brenster23> or just try to boot
[03:51] <Bashing-om> brenster23: If you have a prompt, we want to know what controls networking .
[03:52] <brenster23> bashing-om the only prompt i had was systemctl status networking.service for details.
[03:55] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Sorry, I can not relate to what you say . How about we take another tack and attempt to boot another way ?
[03:55] <brenster23> sure give me 1 sec i have an diea
[03:57] <ledeni> Twist, can you give us 'input list | nc termbin.com 9999'
[03:58] <ledeni> Twist, xinput
[03:58] <Twist> Give me a minute to boot the thing back up
[04:00] <purpleunicorn> Why is Ubuntu freezing on me so much
[04:01] <brenster23> bashing-om what do you want to try?
[04:01] <purpleunicorn> Why am I being ignored here
[04:01] <Two_Dogs> purpleunicorn: does machine freeze on windows?
[04:02] <purpleunicorn> I’m using a Mac so idk Two_Dogs
[04:02] <Two_Dogs> purpleunicorn: 'why' is hard to troubleshoot
[04:03] <purpleunicorn> I have no clue
[04:03] <Two_Dogs> purpleunicorn: freezes when? is it repeatable?
[04:03] <SporkWitch> log output is also nice
[04:04] <purpleunicorn> It’s been freezing repeatably, yes. Two_Dogs
[04:05] <Twist> ledeni: http://www.termbin.com/r2hg
[04:05] <ledeni> Twist,  install 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics'
[04:05] <Two_Dogs> purpleunicorn: provide a scenario, you ware doing what when you freeze
[04:06] <Twist> ledeni: I've tried that, but it's a liveUSB stick and the change doesn't seem to have persisted past a reboot.
[04:06] <Twist> ledeni: is that expected?
[04:06] <brenster23> bashing-om you there?
[04:06] <Two_Dogs> purpleunicorn: you on linux ubuntu what?
[04:06] <purpleunicorn> Ubuntu
[04:07] <purpleunicorn> I’m starting up Ubuntu and it’s supposed to bring up my login name
[04:07] <SporkWitch> it would have had to be explicitly configured for persistence, Twist.  does installing synaptics work? if so, then you've solved your problem.  make sure you can solve any others and you'll know you're good to go on a real install
[04:07] <ledeni> Twist, yes
[04:07] <Twist> SporkWitch: There was no change in behavior.. I was assuming I'd need to reboot for that driver change to take effect.
[04:08] <Twist> I ran across this.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1685937
[04:08] <Twist> and decided to throw in the towel for the evening
[04:09] <SporkWitch> very few things on linux require a reboot; usually logging out to the DM is sufficient
[04:09] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Let's try and boot into single-user mode ( tty1 ) . boot back to grub menu, and this time is the 'e' key for edit mode -> boot parameters screen . find the line starting with linux and containing quiet splash. replace quiet splash and all after with the term systemd.unit=multi-user.target . key combo ctl+x to continue to the terminal .
[04:09] <brenster23> ok give me a sec
[04:12] <Twist> ledeni / SporkWitch: would you also suggest removing libinput?
[04:16] <brenster23> Bashing-om so it goes "ro  systemd.unit=multi-user.target .quiet ."
[04:17] <Twist> okay, interesting.. now touching the pad is generating a few spurious keystrokes
[04:17] <nikolam> On fresh installed and updated 18.04LTS 64it, I i installed Ubuntu's ZFS and did 'zpool import poolname' (previously it reported it can update pool version).
[04:18] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Yep ..
[04:18] <nikolam> After that, I can't boot normally not at all. (It were freezing command line on zpool import)
[04:18] <brenster23> great
[04:18] <brenster23> ok i did control x, do i go to cmd or something else
[04:18] <nikolam> Now it just displays (xubunutu) booting graphics, not giving me the console (Ctrl+Alt+Fn)
[04:18] <Bashing-om> brenster23: NO000 . we also want the quiet gone too .
[04:19] <brenster23> good news is i am 95 percent sure i deleted it
[04:19] <Bashing-om> brenster23: The hope is that you are at a terminal ,, and at this point enter username, and then your password .
[04:19] <brenster23> bad news is it just tarted booting.
[04:20] <nikolam> So installing ZFS in Ubuntu and trying to mount older ZFS pool, gave me and unbootable broken system..
[04:22] <matjam> nikolam: ouch
[04:23] <matjam> nikolam: have you tried booting to single user mode and blacklisting the zfs module?
[04:25] <axisys> how do I drag a window to a lower workspace with mouse?
[04:26] <brenster23> bashing-om got another failed to raise network interface
[04:27] <nikolam> matjam, I can try that
[04:28] <Bashing-om> brenster23: expected not to have networking . in this mode "you" control everything. nothing but a terminal and accrss to the system at this point . Are you at a terminal interface now ?
[04:28] <Bashing-om> access*
[04:28] <brenster23> i am in emergency mode
[04:29] <Bashing-om> brenster23: Sheeesshhh ! think'n ,
[04:30] <brenster21> backk
[04:30] <brenster21> i am in Emode no options to login Bashing-om
[04:35] <brenster21> bashing-om do you think i should just cut my losses?
[04:35] <ledeni> brenster21 did you here about supergrubdisk download iso put on usb boot up and select find your grub--after you boot your system install grub again
[04:35] <brenster21> ok i will try that
[04:38] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Depends on how nuch time you can devore to this . we still have yet to even identify what is failing . next is to try in the 'e'change the  ro to ' rw init=/bin/bash ' . ctl+x to boot to terminal .
[04:39] <brenster21> I do the e on ubuntu right?
[04:42] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Yes .. same as the forner reolace ,, but thus tine is ro to ' rw init=/bin/bash ' .
[04:42] <brenster21> ok, well i got a kernal panic
[04:42] <brenster21> bashing-om if we cant get it working tonight i mught cut my losses reformat and reinstall
[04:42] <stan7> why this erros in browser? 502 Bad Gateway
[04:42] <stan7> nginx
[04:43] <stan7> i had same problem before and i fixed with f5
[04:43] <stan7> i think it was the cache
[04:43] <brenster21> stan7 if your hosting the site, i would guess port forward issue
[04:43] <stan7> but even with f5 i cant fix not
[04:43] <stan7> so its not my browser is the server?
[04:43] <stan7> its  a supplier web sites, its not mine
[04:44] <stan7> but i was trying to look some products
[04:44] <brenster21> than it is the supplier website being down
[04:44] <stan7> so the issue is from their server?
[04:44] <stan7> not my computer?
[04:44] <brenster21> i believe so post the link to the site so i can see
[04:47] <brenster21> bashing-om exit code 0x00000007f00 end kernal panic
[04:48] <ubuntusec> Hi. Are there any guides to tighten the security of an Ubuntu server? I added ssh keys, added firewall buy apart from them, I didn't do anything. What are some changes I can make to improve my security?
[04:51] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Well ! we know the file system is intact, we know it is not a graphic's driver issue, nor do I think it is a bootloader problem. bout all I can come up with is that the initramfs is corrupted . rebuilding the initramfs will be a rather lenghy thing .
[04:52] <brenster21> could i install ubuntu on my windows parition and then link it to the file system?
[04:52] <ubuntusec> but*
[04:53] <ubuntusec> one stone, two birds
[04:53] <ubuntusec> lol
[04:55] <stan7> thanks
[04:55]  * brenster21 whistles
[04:55] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Windows file systems are NTFS, ubuntu is ext4. so no can dio ext4 in NTFS .
[04:56] <SporkWitch> brenster21: you could, but you shouldn't
[04:56] <brenster21> ok
[04:56] <SporkWitch> Bashing-om: NTFS r/w support has been fine for something like a decade now; it should be possible, just dumb
[04:57] <SporkWitch> brenster21: you can set up an entry in /etc/fstab to automount the windows partition so you can access it from linux easily, though
[04:57] <brenster21> wait sporkwitch do you use sporks to do witchcraft or is your witchcraft the creation of sporks?
[04:57] <SporkWitch> the former
[04:57] <Bashing-om> SporkWitch: What we have here is that ubuntu can not boot .
[04:57] <nikolam> matjam, just listing 'zfs to blacklist module didn't work, I needed to uninstall zfs packages and now I can boot, logged in and running dpkg --configure -a
[04:57] <brenster21> bashing-om if you dont think it is worth trying to fix i will just reformat the section
[04:58] <SporkWitch> Bashing-om: i just saw the query about sharing a partition; didn't realize it was part of troubleshooting something else
[04:59] <matjam> nikolam: usually its a matter of adding the module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[04:59] <Bashing-om> brenster21: That us your call .. I am all for fixing .. but at this point .. I am at rebuilding initramfs .. Will take a full change root from the liveUSB.
[04:59] <nikolam> matjam, yes, maybe I should add something else, but only 'zfs' to it.
[04:59] <nikolam> I uninstalled it anyway
[05:00] <brenster21> what does "I am rebuilding mean?" (i mean time wise 5 hours or 10?)
[05:00] <brenster21> if you think it can be done then i am up for it
[05:00] <ubuntusec> Does anyone enable Selinux on their Ubuntu system?
[05:00] <SporkWitch> while fixing is nice, once you hit the 6 hour mark i find it's generally best to back up /home and start a fresh install, at least on workstations
[05:00] <SporkWitch> servers are, of course, something different
[05:01] <matjam> nikolam: have you had a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux to see if any of the bugs there match your experience?
[05:01] <brenster21> this is just plex torrents and znc. nohing that cant be replaced already backed up my torrent progra
[05:01] <ubuntusec> Anyone of you enable selinux on your Ubuntu?
[05:01] <matjam> !patience ubuntusec
[05:01] <SporkWitch> brenster21: i'd just nuke it at that point if having it working is more important than the satisfaction of knowing the root cause
[05:02] <nikolam> hmm, actually i used 'blacklist' file instead of blacklist.conf. That's the mistake I think and should say 'blacklist xy'
[05:02] <ubuntusec> matjam: I was modifying my question
[05:02] <matjam> regardless
[05:03] <SlidingHorn> !selinux | ubuntusec
[05:03] <matjam> ubuntusec: I think if you google your question you'll find some good general recommendations. Ubuntu is fairly secure out of the box.
[05:03] <ubuntusec> Oh
[05:04] <Bashing-om> brenster21: As you have backups .. you can RE-install and be back up in 30 minutes .
[05:04] <brenster21> bashing-om i think i am going to do that
[05:04] <ubuntusec> SlidingHorn: thx
[05:04] <brenster21> thank you very much for your time and effort
[05:06] <Bashing-om> brenster21: A vallient effort .. and we can continue, but even now we do not know the root of the faulure .
[05:06] <brenster21> i feel like you want to continue, but to be frank i am exhausted and i need my server running tomorrow at noon for my cousins birthday sleepover
[05:07] <Bashing-om> brenster21: The nuclear solution always works :)
[05:08] <brenster21> true bashing-om is there any way i can thank you for your valient support
[05:08] <SporkWitch> brenster21: if you have the media on an external drive, you could also install plex on another machine temporarily; i had to do that because this laptop is dying of old age and occasionally the HDD poops itself and ends up read-only lol
[05:08] <Bashing-om> brenster21: Pass it on down the line - we are all in this together.
[05:08] <SporkWitch> get it fixed and you can always move it back (though you do lose your custom changes and what's watched info, unless you back up those DBs)
[05:08] <brenster21> While i do have the media on another machine, my day to day stuff is on it and my wifi card is crap
[05:09] <ubuntusec> matjam: do you know any features or settings that Ubuntu doesn't enable by default for usability? I want to get maximum security possible but also I am new to this
[05:09] <brenster21> sporkwitch how do i back up the plex database?
[05:09] <SporkWitch> brenster21: i've never bothered, you'd have to ask #plex
[05:09] <Bashing-om> !security | ubuntusec
[05:10] <matjam> ubuntusec: OS security is generally well provided by the defaults. However, you can weaken things easily by not following general guidelines such as installing applications that are insecure or using insecure passwords, etc.
[05:11] <matjam> ubuntusec: also, obviously, keeping your system up to date is very important.
[05:11] <SlidingHorn> ubuntusec: maximum security = unplug internet & lock the machine in a closet...security is always going to be a case-by-case situation and a balance between security & usability.
[05:12] <matjam> ubuntusec: if you want to know what kinds of things that Ubuntu does for security, this is a good read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
[05:13] <brenster21> ok thank you sporkwitch, also do i get into sporkmagic?
[05:14] <matjam> ubuntusec: beyond what the OS provides, it is typically not a good idea to go and make "security hardening" changes to your system without fully understanding what each one does. You will find many guides on the internet that will suggest making certain changes, but I suggest you learn more about the system and how it works before you start implementing any of those changes, as they may leave you with a
[05:14] <matjam> broken or non-functional system.
[05:16] <SporkWitch> setting up u2f is pretty easy and offers a nice barrier against remote privilege escalation; unless you're running servers on the machine, there's not a whole lot you need or could really do
[05:19] <matjam> ubuntusec: You also need to understand that security is also quite dependent on the context the machine is being used in. A desktop system on a private network behind a firewalling NAT gateway is not typically vulnerable to remote exploits, whereas a system running Apache with a PHP application exposed to the Internet would be at higher risk.
[05:20] <matjam> though it should be noted that Deskop machines are also targetted using other types of exploits
[05:20] <matjam> which is why you patch your stuff
[05:23] <ubuntusec> matjam: thanks. I am running a small server that is open to the internet.
[05:24] <Two_Dogs> matjam: what if i airgap it and chickenwire it?
[05:25] <matjam> ubuntusec: so, personal recommendation, from someone who does that a lot. a) only use SSH key authentation. b) don't listen on any ports other than what your app requires. c) keep your app updated. If its something like Wordpress, thats vital.
[05:25] <matjam> ubuntusec: what is the server doing? Hosting a website?
[05:25] <Draegon> I'm running a dual monitor system, and I want to tie the graphics tablet to only one monitor, and stop any circles coming out as egg shaped. Is there any way to do this? I'm running Ubuntu 16.04
[05:26] <SporkWitch> lol wordpress; may as well hang a "hack this box" sign on it
[05:26] <matjam> (ubuntusec: ie, disable password authentication in sshd_config)
[05:26] <matjam> SporkWitch: indeed
[05:27] <matjam> I run wordpress, in a vm, on the server, so if it ever gets hacked the damage is contained. Probably should run it in docker these days.
[05:27] <ubuntusec> matjam: yeah, I added ssh keys and disabled password authentication.
[05:27] <matjam> docker, in a vm, on a RO OS
[05:27] <nikolam> matjam, Thanks for pointing to the zfs bug list, I think it's something new, it says"[ 40.811792] VERIFY3(0 == remove_reference(hdr,  ((void *)0), tag)) failed (0 = 0)  [ 40.811856] PANIC at arc.c:3084:arc_buf_destroy()
[05:28] <matjam> nikolam: yikes. Did you do take a look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[05:29] <matjam> there's a lot of useful information on how to collect all the information required to help the maintainer track down the bug
[05:29] <matjam> (though, that err message is pretty clear lol)
[05:30] <nikolam> matjam, ok, seems like I would need to report it.
[05:30] <matjam> nikolam: I think you should, sounds serious
[05:31] <nikolam> I previously had an 17.10>18.04 updated systema and zfs worked just fine importing newer zfs pool. This is fresh 18.4 install and importing an older ZFS pool. Ok, I will, thanks matjam
[05:32] <matjam> nikolam: thank you for reporting the bug!
[05:35] <brenster21> thank you for your help
[05:45] <linux_noobian> anyone else have tracker-miner-fs installed on 18.04? i read it wasn't installed by default but it is on mine and eats up cpu
[05:47] <SlidingHorn> !info tracker-miner-fs
[05:48] <SlidingHorn> linux_noobian: you can always    sudo apt remove tracker-miner-fs
[05:48] <matjam> linux_noobian: its running on mine, and uses no cpu for me
[05:48] <linux_noobian> SlidingHorn: ok, wasn't sure if i'd break something
[05:49] <linux_noobian> matjam: it's not now but it was and i noticed it really slowed me down when steam was loading a game from my ntfs partition. i assume it was wanting to index it?
[05:49] <matjam> possibly, I wonder if there is a way to make it ignore a particular filesystem path
[05:50] <matjam> https://together.jolla.com/question/5935/how-to-blacklist-directories-from-being-indexed-by-tracker/
[05:50] <matjam> a bit of an old answer but might be on the right track
[05:50] <matjam> I dunno, I tend to disable indexing things in any OS when its invasive
[05:50] <matjam> would be annoyed if it started indexing my company's massive smb server
[05:51] <matjam> over my vpn
[05:54] <SporkWitch> can't see why something like that would have defaults that index remote paths
[05:54] <matjam> nah it wouldn't
[05:55] <linux_noobian> matjam: i don't have a tracker config there. supposedly there was a gui option but it's not in the repos anymore
[05:55] <matjam> gsettings get org.freedesktop.Tracker.Miner.Files ignored-directories
[05:55] <matjam> gsettings set org.freedesktop.Tracker.Miner.Files ignored-directories "['po', 'CVS', 'core-dumps', 'lost+found', '/my/excluded/directory']"
[05:56] <matjam> works for me
[05:59] <linux_noobian> matjam: realized i have dconf editor installed. i see relevant settings. thanks
[05:59] <matjam> linux_noobian: no worries
[06:00] <matjam> linux_noobian: I'd file a bug; I don't know if thats desirable behaviour. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[06:02] <linux_noobian> i am a linux noob so rather not. there might be something i did wrong somewhere. though i did find a bug with nautilus, back button doesn't work in list view. not sure if it's intended or not because pcmanfm also does the same thing
[06:03] <Draegon> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 on a dual monitor system, kernel version is 4.4.0-124-generic, and the system is updated every day (when updates available). I want to tie my graphics tablet to only one monitor. It is a standard tablet connected via USB cable (no onboard OS), Ugee HK 1060Pro, comparible stats to Ugee M708 on Digimend GitHub. Is there any way to do this?
[06:06] <matjam> linux_noobian: maybe a feature request: provide a UI for managing indexing settings :-)
[06:09] <linux_noobian> matjam: there is/was one in the repos but i guess not anymore. users having too many options (control) seems against Gnome philosophy
[06:09] <matjam> Draegon: something like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multi-pointer_X but it doesn't look like the feature is complete yet.
[06:09] <matjam> linux_noobian: yeah I noticed. I feel like less control is ok as long as the defaults are sane.
[06:10] <matjam> I don't know if scanning everything on your ntfs partition is sane.
[06:10] <linux_noobian> i agree but finding a file manager with sane defaults... is such a thing even possible?
[06:11] <linux_noobian> pcmanfm seems great but it kind of lacks where nautilus picks up
[06:11] <linux_noobian> i tried those two. any other good ones? tried dolphin on kde, works well but it's discouraged to use kde apps on gnome, right? or there's possible incompatibilities?
[06:12] <matjam> nah You can them either which way
[06:12] <matjam> *run
[06:12] <matjam> of course if your kda app is looking for kde specific features it might not find them
[06:12] <matjam> and you can end up with a bunch of kde stuff running because you loaded a kde app :P
[06:13] <matjam> backend daemons etc
[06:13] <matjam> I dunno
[06:13] <matjam> I've never had a real problem, I used to use a kde C IDE a lot back in the day
[06:14] <linux_noobian> proper full url in address bar would be great as well as more context menu creation. trying to get peazip context menu entries in nautilus and it didn't work
[06:14] <Two_Dogs> linux_noobian: there is no reason why a kde app cant be used on gnone other than graphics glitch, and qt5ct fixes that
[06:17] <linux_noobian> nvm on the scripts, got it to work
[06:17] <Draegon> matjam: Thanks for the link. I've saved it for reference. While reading it (trying to understand what it means), it says it allows multiple mouse cursors each with it's own keyboard focus. What does that mean in comparison to what I'm trying to do?
[06:17] <linux_noobian> yeah, i installed qt5ct and played around with make color themes
[06:18] <matjam> Draegon: well you need X to recognise each input device separately and give you a separate cursor, I think, and maybe whatever application you use needs to support that
[06:18] <matjam> Draegon: seems unlikely to be honest
[06:18] <matjam> (I don't use tablets, so I don't know)
[06:19] <Draegon> Is there no real support for tablets in ubuntu?
[06:19] <matjam> not what I said
[06:19] <matjam> I said, handling it as two separate devices is probably not going to work
[06:19] <matjam> but I dont know
[06:19] <matjam> plug them in and find out
[06:20] <Draegon> I'm just wondering, because I was reading the github page for Digimend, it hasn't been updated since 2015.
[06:20] <matjam> Draegon: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/wacom.html
[06:20] <matjam> thats wacom specific but it might apply to all tablets.
[06:21] <matjam> or you might need something special to make your tablet look like a wacom
[06:21] <matjam> or you might need some special tool to make your tablet work at all
[06:21] <matjam> plug it in, and see if it works
[06:22] <linux_noobian> anyone use guake or something like that? is it stable? i tried it once and the overlay seemed to interfere with my game but i'd love if something like this was stable
[06:22] <Draegon> Thanks for the link. I have looked at the Wacom Tablet setting in System Settings, just says no tablet detected.
[06:24] <matjam> doesn't look like the Ugee is supported out of the box
[06:24] <matjam> you probably need to contact the manufacturer
[06:24] <matjam> and ask about linux support
[06:24] <Draegon> I have connected it, it "works", however the main problems, any circle/angle comes out more of an egg shape rather than circular, there is no pen pressure being detected, and the hot keys don't work.
[06:24] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: look at the output of> journalctl --dmesg --pri=3 ## any hints?
[06:25] <Draegon> matjam: I have, that was my first port of call, they offer no support at all for linux.
[06:25] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: is that a Terminal command?
[06:26] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: via terminal, yes, look at the output of> journalctl --dmesg --pri=3 ## any hints?
[06:28] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: also, archwiki has a good wiki on tablets if you dont find help in ubuntu-wiki
[06:29] <matjam> Draegon: the kernel drivers for your tablet might already be in the kernel, they just might need some coaxing to work properly. Have you looked at http://digimend.github.io/support/
[06:29] <matjam> Draegon: specifically the xf86-input-wacom stuff
[06:30] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: I have looked at some parts of Digimend, just looking for my previous notes.
[06:41] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: I have tried that page before, when I was running Ubuntu 14.04 It did manage to re-map 2 of the 8 hot keys, but nothing else. I have looked at the commands, and the details on the page, it's dealing with Wacom and Waltop tablets/drivers.
[06:42] <Draegon> Using "lsusb" and "sinput list" my tablet is listed as "UC-LOIC TABLET 1060". I'm not sure how to edit the file it refers to, to make it work with mine.
[06:42] <matjam> Draegon: Suggest you post to https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers/issues as I don't think anyone here has experience with tablets and it looks like you need specific help with your specific hardware.
[06:44] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: lots of google hits https://goo.gl/vhRGuX
[06:44] <matjam> Draegon: https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue++1060+ shows a bunch of issues raised that might be relevant to you
[06:45] <Draegon> OK. Thank you. I'll make a post there, and check out the google links.
[06:45] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: share the output of 'lsusb' via pastebin
[06:46] <Draegon> Two_Dogs, you mean when I make the post on Github?
[06:46] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: no, i mean here
[06:46] <Draegon> ok.
[06:52] <Draegon> I can't access my pastebin account for the moment, however, https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/91e02feec6a7e19ff448fbe373a34ce1
[06:55] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: gist is fine
[06:56] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: Also, you asked about the output from journalctl, that was https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/f4a3fc66a885dc82ecd3e8a977161f66
[07:01] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: are you using the digimend driver?
[07:02] <Draegon> I haven't installed any other driver, other than what was shipped with Ubuntu 16.04.
[07:02] <Draegon> I didn't want to install something, if it won't work
[07:04] <Two_Dogs> 5543:0081 <-- that is the chip-id for your tablet Draegon , digimend github tablet page shows that id and says to install their driver, i would heed their advice
[07:05] <matjam> Two_Dogs: I think the kernel mainline has the drivers installed, it just needs the right configuration
[07:06] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: share output of 'lsmod | grep -i hid' via gist
[07:07] <matjam> Two_Dogs: /lib/modules/4.15.0-20-generic/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-uclogic.ko
[07:07] <Two_Dogs> matjam: thats the one i was seeing too, great, that part is done, Draegon
[07:08] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/bd8be593410f50da62e684ea41df90c0
[07:09] <copper_> is it possible to know if anyone pinging me?
[07:09] <matjam> copper_: wireshark / tshark
[07:09] <matjam> copper_: but if your machine is behind a NAT gateway, the NAT gateway will be responding to ping, not your machine.
[07:10] <matjam> (most people are behind a NAT gateway)
[07:10] <copper_> Nat gatewaY?
[07:11] <copper_> NAT
[07:11] <matjam> your ISP router/cable modem/etc
[07:11] <copper_> i see.
[07:11] <matjam> the thing you plug into to get internet access
[07:11] <matjam> it's the thing with the public IP address assigned
[07:11] <matjam> usually
[07:11] <fishcooker> what happen with my sdb1... is that failed or...? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/92DMgHXF/my%20raid1
[07:13] <matjam> fishcooker: looks like your mirror is missing a drive
[07:14] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: i dont see the module loaded, matjam shouldnt the module show on lsmod?
[07:14] <fishcooker> matjam: is my /dev/sdb ok ... how to troubleshoot it?
[07:14] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: what kernel you using?
[07:14] <copper_> matjam,can you help me providing tips for closing all of the protocol ?
[07:14] <matjam> Two_Dogs: so sometimes what happens is the device IDs get used by two vendors, and udev decides to load the wrong driver or nothing at all
[07:15] <fishcooker> Draegon: 3.13.0-115-generic
[07:15] <matjam> copper_: sorry, we can't support configuration of your ISP modem. But unless you've opened ports manually, it's probably fine.
[07:15] <Draegon> fishcooker: ???
[07:16] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: what kernel you using?
[07:16] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: 4.4.0-124-generic
[07:16] <copper_> matjam,firewall?
[07:16] <matjam> did you do a lsusb yet draegon?
[07:16] <matjam> copper_: what about it?
[07:16] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: what version of ubuntu?
[07:17] <Draegon> 16.04
[07:17] <matjam> oh
[07:17] <copper_> -to close my ports...,matjam
[07:18] <matjam> copper_: look at your router configuration. Again, we don't support your router.
[07:18] <matjam> (and you probably don't need to do anything as they are closed by default)
[07:18] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: install the driver from the github page as i previously shared, you dont have the driver now installed
[07:19] <matjam> yeah, thought he was running 18.04
[07:19] <matjam> lol
[07:19] <Two_Dogs> yeah
[07:19] <copper_> thnx for ur co-operation!,matjam
[07:19] <matjam> is the kernel backported yet
[07:20] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: any reason you cant upgrade to current ubuntu?
[07:20] <cfhowlett> might want to wait for 18.4.1
[07:21] <matjam> depends how desperate he is to get the tablet working
[07:21] <Draegon> Theoretically, no. Is 18.04 automatically supporting tablets?
[07:21] <cfhowlett> wait --- TABLET
[07:21] <Two_Dogs> matjam: the kernel you mentioned is the first instance of the module being introduced?
[07:21] <matjam> input device
[07:21] <cfhowlett> so ubuntu-touch?
[07:21] <matjam> no
[07:21] <matjam> graphics tablet
[07:21] <matjam> like a wacom
[07:21] <cfhowlett> ahhhhh
[07:22] <matjam> Two_Dogs: Its the kernel I'm running, it has the module
[07:22] <Two_Dogs> matjam: ok
[07:23] <matjam> Draegon: can you do an lsusb?
[07:23] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: via terminal> locate hid-uclogic ## get hit?
[07:24] <Draegon> matjam: https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/91e02feec6a7e19ff448fbe373a34ce1
[07:25] <Draegon> Two_dogs: yes, 3 lines, you want another gist of the output?
[07:26] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: sure
[07:27] <matjam> Two_Dogs: https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers/issues/79
[07:27] <matjam> Two_Dogs: grep for 5543:0081
[07:27] <Two_Dogs> matjam: where?
[07:27] <Two_Dogs> its in lsusb
[07:27] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/99f5e36a1b697ca65b99b8e7e3711500
[07:27] <matjam> scroll down, near the bottom, dude gets it working
[07:27] <matjam> and he's running 16.04
[07:28] <Two_Dogs> matjam: yeah, but that was after the modules were loaded
[07:28] <matjam> he built the driver from source
[07:28] <matjam> right
[07:28] <Two_Dogs> aint loaded now
[07:29] <matjam> right
[07:29] <Two_Dogs> i looked
[07:29] <matjam> so maybe if he does what that dude did. will work
[07:29] <Two_Dogs> like install driver ala github?
[07:29] <matjam> yah
[07:29] <Two_Dogs> si
[07:30] <matjam> shame dude did not paste working config
[07:30] <matjam> but I think you can construct it from the comments
[07:30] <Two_Dogs> there is a ref to #26 and its spelled out there
[07:30] <matjam> I asked him to post his config, in case we don't get it working
[07:30] <matjam> oh, good.
[07:32] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: share /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:33] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: so i understand, you attached the tablet, and have not added any package what so ever other than the default installed system packages, yes?
[07:34] <Draegon> I have installed some software.
[07:34] <Two_Dogs> some?
[07:34] <Draegon> I'm looking for the file you just asked.
[07:34] <Two_Dogs> like wacom?
[07:34] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: do> gist-paste -s /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:35] <Draegon> Krita, Variety (wallpaper changer), Geany, OBS, XnView
[07:35] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: ok
[07:35] <UDworker> Hi, anyone can install docker-ce on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[07:35] <UDworker> from deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic stable
[07:38] <matjam> UDworker: I see no packages in https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/dists/bionic/pool/stable/amd64/
[07:38] <matjam> so you'd need to use edge, or nightly or test.
[07:39] <UDworker> Erf ok thanks
[07:40] <Draegon> https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/3f87e3ed8f472ff3e5887e3666ce32f5
[07:41] <darthrocker> i have an external hdd that will show up using lsusb but not lsblk
[07:42] <darthrocker> not fdisk -l
[07:42] <matjam> Two_Dogs: so its loading the driver, just probably needs some config
[07:42] <sliddis> My network icon is gone, aswell as my wireless icon in the top right menu. Anybody else seen this? https://imgur.com/a/5jKnc3A
[07:43] <matjam> sliddis: yes, when installing icon packs
[07:44] <sliddis> The wireless menu entry is missing
[07:44] <sliddis> not just icon
[07:45] <matjam> sliddis: I've also seen that when I've messed around with /etc/network/interfaces and configured manual stuff
[07:46] <Two_Dogs> matjam: loading evdev driver
[07:46] <matjam> network-manager goes "oh, fine, do it yourself"
[07:46] <darthrocker> what other commands can i use to try to get it to mount?
[07:46] <matjam> darthrocker: is the disk being assigned a /dev/sdX device when you look at dmesg
[07:47] <darthrocker> negative
[07:47] <matjam> sounds bad then
[07:47] <matjam> I know of no fu to fix that
[07:47] <matjam> bad cable or bad drive
[07:47] <matjam> maybe a bad port
[07:48] <matjam> could be a bad enclosure
[07:48] <matjam> had an enclosure fail once
[07:49] <darthrocker> https://pastebin.com/6MxYS2vc
[07:50] <matjam> darthrocker: yeah that looks bad, the resets and the timeouts
[07:51] <matjam> looks like it's detecting the drive it just can't communicate with it fully
[07:52] <darthrocker> ok
[07:52] <darthrocker> thnx
[07:52] <matjam> smartctl might tell you more
[07:53] <sliddis> matjam: yeah removing my manually static config in network and restarting nnetwork manager made the network entry work correctly. the wifi menu entry is still missing though
[07:54] <matjam> sliddis: might need a reboot
[07:55] <darthrocker> sliddis can i ask a dumb question? have you tried nmcli ?
[07:56] <sliddis> darthrocker: i dont know what nmcli is
[07:56] <voiter> how can i create a new file in the file manager when there is no white space left to right-click?
[07:57] <voiter> uhm, well, how can i create a new file at all
[07:57] <sliddis> voiter: permissions? :)
[07:59] <darthrocker> sliddis nm(NetworkManager)cli(CommandLineInteface)
[08:00] <sliddis> darthrocker: no I havent tried that. What did you think of?
[08:01] <alkisg> Hi, could someone on 18.04/firefox 60.0, check if https://paste.debian.net/ shows "invalid certificate"? I.e. if it's a general problem in Ubuntu/Firefox or if it's just me?
[08:02] <darthrocker> if your using wifi ... it would be somethign like "sudo nmcli d connect <essid> <password> <interface>
[08:02] <darthrocker> thats all i use
[08:02] <sliddis> darthrocker: ok, im not intrested in using that. The settings app shows both network and wireless properly though
[08:02] <darthrocker> ok
[08:03] <matjam> alkisg: looks ok to me
[08:03] <alkisg> matjam: thanks, I think it's related to an expired alioth certificate that I have from debian...
[08:04] <carpediembaby> Hello, I am trying to setup hibernate on 18.04 but need some help. systemctl hibernate gives: "Failed to hibernate system via logind: Sleep verb not supported". And "cat /sys/power/disk" gives "shutdown reboot suspend test_resume"
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg :p
[08:04] <matjam> alkisg: both firefox, chrome is ok.
[08:05] <zzw> hi
[08:05] <carpediembaby> and sudo swapon -s gives "/swapfile                              	file    	2097148	0	-2"
[08:05] <matjam> alkisg: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=paste.debian.net&s=2a01%3a4f8%3a130%3a53c9%3a0%3a0%3a0%3a2&latest
[08:05] <alkisg> Good morning lotuspsychje! :)
[08:14] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: My apologies, I'm not finding this easy. I lost the url, finally found it. Have downloaded the 2 files, 1 is .deb the other is .tar.gz Do you need to be installed, unpacked, or something else? Also, the page says: Before upgrading, remove the old driver version by executing "sudo make uninstall" from the source tree of that driver.
[08:17] <matjam> i'm heading to bed. Good night folks. Good luck Draegon Two_Dogs
[08:18] <oerheks> not bad, platz.
[08:18] <Draegon> matjam: Thanks for you help & have a good night.
[08:22] <ghost2911> Hello people. What is the best and fast way to create a multiboot usb stick with multiple OSs like linux, windowses, also Proxmox. thanks
[08:22] <jcdutton> ghost2911, just use a image that already does it.
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> ghost2911: multisystem i used in the past
[08:23] <pityhero12345> exit
[08:24] <oerheks> https://www.pendrivelinux.com/#USB-Creators
[08:24] <oerheks> many tools to do so,.. but with windows.. not sure you can
[08:25] <ghost2911> thanks lotuspsychje, I'll give a try to multisystem
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> ghost2911: i like the idea of jcdutton aswell, alot of AOI multi iso's out there with collection of Os
[08:28] <jcdutton> You can get boot usb to windows, normally the pre-install environment only though. Not a complete windows
[08:36] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: are you still around?
[08:41] <ghi> how to get the second to the maximum number from a set?
[08:43] <jcdutton> ghi, can't you work that out yourself?
[08:46] <confluency> ghi: that doesn't sound like an Ubuntu support question.
[08:47] <ghi> oh sorry wrong channel
[08:51] <john_rambo> How do I check SSD health ? Never done this before
[08:54] <mancman3> john_rambo: open disk, then press ctrl && S for smart
[08:55] <jcdutton> john_rambo, smartctl -a /dev/sda    < sda being the disk
[08:57] <john_rambo> mancman3, Is my disk okay ? https://ibb.co/kankgJ
[08:59] <munki> john_rambo: your disk is fine :>
[08:59] <mancman3> john_rambo: it is ok for now, just make sure to keep backing up important stuff
[09:00] <john_rambo> jcdutton, https://paste2.org/J6CZH69n
[09:00] <john_rambo> munki, Okay/Thanks
[09:01] <john_rambo> mancman3, why do you say that ? Is there any indication of failure ?
[09:01] <mancman3> It is always good practice to backup important stuff. hardware failure can happen at any time.
[09:01] <jcdutton> john_rambo, looks ok to me, what problems do you have with it?
[09:02] <john_rambo> jcdutton, No problem ... Just checking in advance
[09:02] <john_rambo> Okay ... Thanks to all
[09:05] <Lachezar> Hey all. Upgraded to Xubuntu 18.04 yesterday. Firefox does not start: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HM68nQBWzP/
[09:05] <Lachezar> Please advise!
[09:05] <Lachezar> Running "firefox --no-remote" seems to disable the DBus integration and it runs fine.
[09:05] <Lachezar> Fine = Runs, but no integration with OS or other applications.
[09:07] <lifeboy> Ubuntu 18.04: Installed only openjdk-8-jre and icedtea-8-plugin, yet I persistently get "Unsupported major.minor version 51.0".  Anyone else that expereinces this?
[09:08] <lifeboy> More importantly, is this a bug or how can I fix this?  I have tried a lot of options, installed all available version of OpenJDK, but no difference
[09:09] <munki> Lachezar: tried reinstalling firefox ?
[09:09] <Lachezar> munki: Like how? "apt-get purge" + "apt-get install"?
[09:10] <munki> Lachezar: apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[09:11] <Lachezar> munki: No change whatsoever.
[09:13] <Lachezar> Starting Firefox in safe mode also crashes with the same error.
[09:15] <ledeni> lifeboy, did you try sudo update-alternatives --config java to set version
[09:15] <longword> Does your Firefox say it's 51.0?
[09:15] <eraserpe1cil> hi
[09:15] <longword> It ought to be 59.x
[09:15] <Lachezar> Firefox is 60.0 (64-битово издание)
[09:16] <ledeni> lifeboy,  try-->sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:16] <Lachezar> Firefox package version: 60.0+build2-0ubuntu1
[09:17] <Lachezar> Hm. Running firefox with '--profile /tmp/blank-directory' works, but not with any existing profiles. This is scary.
[09:17] <lifeboy> ledeni, yes, I did, but it shows only java-8-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java installed
[09:17] <Lachezar> lifeboy: From the console: java -version shows what?
[09:18] <jcdutton> lifeboy, that means that the java app was compiled for a different version of java
[09:18] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Check if you haev a JAVA_HOME environment set: echo $JAVA_HOME
[09:18] <lifeboy> openjdk version "1.8.0_171"
[09:18] <longword> Lach, filesystem permissions on or within your home directory maybe?
[09:19] <lifeboy> jcdutton, yes, I realise that, but if I have only openjdk-8-jre installed with icedtea-8, then I should not get that error
[09:20] <Lachezar> longword: Can't find any problems with those. All files/directories in the profile are mine and haev u+rw
[09:20] <lifeboy> Lachezar, not I don't have $JAVA_HOME.
[09:21] <lifeboy> Lachezar, I have never need to set this, since Ubuntu 14.04 or earlier, suddenly in 18.04 I get this error.
[09:23] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Yes, I can see that being frustrating, but th eissue might be completely different. What are you trying to run, and how do you run it?
[09:24] <Lachezar> OK. Weirdness just got real. "firefox" crashes, but "firefox --profile /home/lachezar/.mozilla/firefox/ProfileDirectory" works.
[09:26] <lifeboy> Lachezar, I try to run remote server consoles.  Sun, Super Micro and HP servers.  They launch in either FF or Palemoon (for older Sun ILOMs).
[09:26] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Oh. An Applet in Firefox?!?!
[09:26] <lifeboy> I can also save the file and then run "javaws launch.jnlp"
[09:27] <ora> hello, I have ubuntu 18 , and my system in init system mount /dev/sdc2  in /media/ora/CONTENT how to change because my sistem when init mount /dev/sdc2 in(for example) /media/dank . I know to unmount and mount but what file need to modify for init mount in I want?
[09:27] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Java Web Start has different JVM settings.
[09:27] <Lachezar> ora: man fstab
[09:28] <lifeboy> Lachezar, I'm just testing javaws for now with "javaws -console", but I can't even launch that.
[09:28] <Lachezar> lifeboy: It's part of the icedtea packages
[09:30] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Do you have 'itweb-settings' in .../openjdk.../bin?
[09:31] <ghost2911> lotuspsychje, I setup multisystem. Sometimes with some images (ISO) I cannot add them to my multiboot usb, it says ERROR ISO not supported for now, for ex RHEL-server-dvd.iso
[09:32] <ghost2911> the same for proxmox (4 and 5). but Ubuntu server for ex or gparted was fine
[09:33] <Lachezar> Hm. My problem with Firefox might be that my profile's name is not in Latin letters.
[09:34] <Lachezar> Hm. Seems like it: "firefox -P 'Моят Профил'" crashes, while "firefox -P 'My Profile'" works.
[09:34] <oerheks> ghost2911, ask in the redhat channel?
[09:34] <oerheks> not really an ubuntu issue, is it?
[09:38] <lifeboy> Lachezar, I just deleted some files by accident I should not have.  Once I have ti all back, I'll report back
[09:39] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Condolences.
[09:39] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: Are you here? I installed the driver. Absolute nothing. The light on the tablet recognises the pen being used. Nothing on screen, buttons don't work, the pen don't work, nothing.
[09:40] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: installed how?
[09:40] <Draegon> Clicked the .deb file, Ubuntu Software opened, and installed
[09:41] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: you saying you have less capability than before install?
[09:41] <Draegon> Exactly.
[09:42] <Two_Dogs> what file exactly was installed?
[09:43] <Draegon> digimend-dkms_6_all.deb
[09:43] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: share the content of /var/log/apt/term.log
[09:45] <bipul> How to check the public and private key integrity? Since I have lot of keys, And i am not sure which  private key matches it's public key?
[09:45] <oerheks> something about digiment issues are fixed in the v7 release, https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers/issues/86 > Add support for building with v4.4 and newer kernels.
[09:45] <oerheks> https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers/releases/tag/v7
[09:46] <kiriuha1> hello
[09:46] <kiriuha1> ?
[09:47] <kiriuha1> htop
[09:47] <TomyWork> Command not found.
[09:48] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: ttps://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/314b4cd0241b9f5df4acbc91c22f48db
[09:48] <kiriuha1> Command not found
[09:48] <lifeboy> Lachezar, nothing too serious.  I just deleted everything in /usr/lib/jvm/, which I didn't really want to do, but I reinstalled openjdk-8-jre and icedtea and java-common.  Now I see residue of jrel.6.0.0_21.
[09:48] <lifeboy> when I run javaws -console
[09:49] <oerheks> kiriuha1, i am sure that is not the whole error, is says something about you should installing htop, no?
[09:49] <kiriuha1> <--
[09:50] <lifeboy> Your custom JRE /usr/lib/jvm/jre1.6.0_21 read from deployment.properties under key deployment.jre.dir as /usr/lib/jvm/jre1.6.0_21 is not valid.
[09:50] <kiriuha1> -->
[09:50] <kiriuha1> -->
[09:50] <kiriuha1> <--
[09:50] <Lachezar> lifeboy: There's your problem :)
[09:50] <troozers> Hi all, I think I *may* have messed up group permissions when I modified groups for myself.  I thought I had put everything back but I am getting a "permission denied" when inserting a usb disk.  My Ubuntu 18.04 system can't create the /media/username folder
[09:50] <troozers> what am i missing?
[09:50] <oerheks> java 1.6 .. wow, that is old, ask for an update
[09:51] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: you installed via dpkg -i ?
[09:51] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Open the Java WS configuration and remove the stale JVM.
[09:52] <lifeboy> oerheks, I recall I needed to install that because the java devs ignore that that there are old apps that need to run and can't be practically updated.  Like sun-ilom remote console for example
[09:52] <Draegon> not via terminal, just double clicking, it loaded and ran in Ubuntu Software
[09:52] <kiriuha1> has joined #ubuntu
[09:52] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: share output of> lsmod | grep -i hid
[09:52] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: ok, install via gdebi
[09:52] <jcdutton> Draegon, what sort of device are you having problems with. Is it a USB device?
[09:52] <lifeboy> Lachezar, hehe, if it was that simple I'd have done it long ago.
[09:53] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: see oerheks comments?
[09:53] <kiriuha1> deltree c:\
[09:54] <kiriuha1> you
[09:55] <Draegon> Yes. I see it. The output u wanted. https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/fff367497bf2e687e24e5307d7e5c0e8
[09:55] <oerheks> !ot > kiriuha1
[09:56] <Draegon> jcdutton: Yes, USB graphics tablet (no onboard os, basic tablet)
[09:56] <kiriuha1> nkt
[09:56] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: share /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:57] <kiriuha1> installed linux mint
[09:58] <Draegon> https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/8b9e9cc2bff5a019dd4cc57a86429fd7
[09:59] <Lachezar> lifeboy: the itweb-settings should be what you need.
[10:01] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Also. You *migh* just remove ~/.java/deployment/deployment.properties or even ~/.java/deployment, or even ~/.java *AFTER* *BACKUP*
[10:02] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: i am blind or the tablet is not mentioned on xorg log
[10:03] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: yet the module now appears in lsmod
[10:04] <Draegon> Do u still want me to install with gdebi ?
[10:04] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: share output of 'lsusb'
[10:05] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: no, you did install the deb via click, yes?
[10:05] <Draegon> yes
[10:05] <Two_Dogs> ok
[10:06] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: share output of 'lsusb'
[10:07] <Draegon> output https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/aa78e74f1803369d8a3c537dc68a3531
[10:09] <fddsafsd> hi I'm getting this
[10:09] <fddsafsd> Err:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release
[10:09] <fddsafsd>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.152 80]
[10:09] <fddsafsd> any help ?
[10:10] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: since the install have you rebooted?
[10:10] <Draegon> yes
[10:10] <fddsafsd> sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:10] <fddsafsd> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[10:10] <fddsafsd> No new release found.   (even though I'm on 17.04)
[10:11] <oerheks> fddsafsd, good
[10:11] <oerheks> !zesty
[10:11] <oerheks> time to do the !eolupgrade trick
[10:11] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[10:12] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: the tablet is not mentioned on xorg log, why i dont know, use synaptic to remove all the deb you installed, search for the name without '.deb'
[10:13] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: then check that dkms does not show the module using> dkms status
[10:14] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: then install the v7 deb, i dont know where else to go with this, i have never had to troubleshoot a tablet of my own
[10:15] <Draegon> Mark for removal or complete removal ?
[10:15] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: complete removal
[10:16] <Draegon> dkms status, in terminal, or synaptic?
[10:16] <lifeboy> Lachezar, I have now been able run "javaws -viewer" and although the config complains about non-existent java6, it proceeds to run with openjdk-8
[10:16] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: terminal
[10:18] <Draegon> nothing, no output, it just jumps straight to another flashing cursor, is that what it is supposed to do?
[10:19] <lifeboy> Lachezar, ~/.java/deployment/deployment.properties does not exist
[10:20] <lifeboy> ah, but /home/roland/.config/icedtea-web/deployment.properties does exist
[10:21] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: ok, reboot, then try v7, you tried asking in #wacom channel?
[10:21] <fddsafsd> man I updated the source.list for archived EOL list like you've provided in that link
[10:22] <Draegon> Not yet.
[10:22] <mohan43u> I need help, I need to know how ubuntu sets org.gnome.desktop.interface.gtk-theme='Ambiance'?
[10:22] <fddsafsd> and I did "sudo apt update, upgrade and do-dist-upgrade
[10:22] <Draegon> Just about to download the v7 file
[10:22] <fddsafsd> and it still says there's no dist upgrade
[10:22] <fddsafsd> I can't get rid of 17.04
[10:22] <fddsafsd> do-release-upgrade says No new release found
[10:22] <lifeboy> While I'm here then: How can I force old .jnlp apps to run with Java 8, 9 or 11?
[10:23] <jcdutton> lifeboy, can you re-compile them?
[10:23] <lifeboy> jcdutton, the apps?
[10:23] <jcdutton> yes
[10:23] <Draegon> Same as previous, a .deb & .tar.gz any preference to which download and install ?
[10:23] <lifeboy> Like I said before, they are remote consoles on servers...
[10:24] <lifeboy> Oracle's bastard way of forcing sales of new servers is to refuse update to them...
[10:24] <mohan43u> there is no files inside /etc/dconf/user.d/ /usr/share/dconf/user.d/ or .conf/dconf/user.d/ but still ubuntu is able to override gtk-theme from 'Advaitha' to 'Ambviance'. how?
[10:24] <fddsafsd> holy shit ok I had to add the bionic archive source lists as well
[10:24] <fddsafsd> why isnt anybody mentioning thi s
[10:25] <lifeboy> jcdutton, so it's safe to assume they can't be re-compiled.
[10:25] <fddsafsd> ok it still says theres no new release
[10:25] <fddsafsd> what's going on
[10:25] <jcdutton> lifeboy, arn't they just xml files, you can edit
[10:26] <fddsafsd> ok I had to upgrade it as well.... wow 1 gb
[10:26] <fddsafsd> damn son
[10:26] <fddsafsd> I'm helping myself
[10:27] <GenZai> I'm stuck during the upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04   https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/668752
[10:28] <mohan43u> the default valie for gtk-them in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.desktop.interface.gschema.xml file is 'Adwaitha' but when I run gsettings, it shows gtk-theme as 'Ambviance'
[10:28] <GenZai> It says "The upgrade will continue but the 'menu' package may not be in a working state" But it doesn't continue ;(
[10:30] <fddsafsd> damn GenZai thats a sad part to get stuck at
[10:30] <fddsafsd> you might even have to format your pc
[10:31] <fddsafsd> after that file corruption, cause youre forced to reset it there
[10:31] <jcdutton> GenZai, The upgrade to 18.04 seems to break for quite a few people.
[10:31] <fddsafsd> it broke many men
[10:32] <jcdutton> I have a command that fixes a broken upgrade.
[10:32] <fddsafsd> it's like climbing K2
[10:32] <fddsafsd> or everest
[10:32] <fddsafsd> you better have balls of steel if you want to upgrade to 18.04
[10:33] <oerheks> says the dude that didn't read the eolupgrade trick carefull ..
[10:33] <oerheks> LoLz
[10:34] <jcdutton> GenZai, If the upgrade fails, do not reboot.
[10:35] <GenZai> jcdutton, yep thanks for the advice
[10:35] <jcdutton> GenZai, Have you posted the output they are asking for in that ticket?
[10:36] <fddsafsd> keep an ubuntu image pendrive next to you in case things go further south
[10:36] <GenZai> i've posted my apt-cache policy menu thing
[10:36] <GenZai> you thing I can run a sudo apt-get upgrade simultaneously ?
[10:36] <fddsafsd> I really think sooner or later you'll end up smearing shit
[10:37] <jcdutton> GenZai, what about the apt-get update, apt-get upgrade ?
[10:37] <jcdutton> GenZai, Has it finished the upgrade process? I.e. stopped somewhere
[10:37] <GenZai> Reading package lists... Done
[10:37] <GenZai> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:37] <GenZai> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[10:38] <fddsafsd> sudo rm the lock file
[10:38] <GenZai> Nope it hasn't finished
[10:38] <fddsafsd> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[10:38] <jcdutton> GenZai, leave it going then
[10:39] <jcdutton> don't remove the lock file yet.
[10:40] <fddsafsd> omg my upgrade is almost complete I better backup my files
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:40] <fddsafsd> there's a distrubance in the force, things will go wrong
 you thing I can run a sudo apt-get upgrade simultaneously ? *No*, just use one instance to apt
[10:42] <lifeboy> jcdutton, they are xml files, but can they be uploaded to the server ILOM, so next time they will be correct when needed? Also, I have no idea what the edit in them...
[10:42] <GenZai> I can't make screenshots anymore ;( Image type 'png' is not supported
[10:42] <PCatinean> how can I replce newline with sed -i?
[10:42] <PCatinean> it seems \n does not work
[10:42] <fddsafsd> Am I doing the right thing by including "bionic" archive URLs in sources.list and doing the update && upgrade && dist-upgrade && update-manager-core && do-release-upgrade ?
[10:42] <fddsafsd> after including the bionic urls in sources ?
[10:43] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, what are you doing?
[10:43] <fddsafsd> I'm upgrading from 17.04 to 18.04
[10:44] <jcdutton> Leave the sources.list at 17.04. I.e. no bionic
[10:44] <fddsafsd> damn
[10:44] <fddsafsd> I already installed all the 700mb full packages
[10:44] <oerheks> fddsafsd, no, you should use old-releases LoLz, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list
[10:44] <fddsafsd> damn
[10:45] <fddsafsd> what am I going to do now
[10:45] <oerheks> good luck, i hope you have an USB ready
[10:45] <fddsafsd> LOL shit
[10:45] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, what instructions were you following?
[10:45] <fddsafsd> I was listening to the voice inside my head
[10:45] <jcdutton> all you had to do was "do-release-upgrade -d"
[10:45] <fddsafsd> it didnt work !
[10:45] <jcdutton> with the "-d" ?
[10:45] <fddsafsd> it keeps saying there's no new releas e
[10:45] <fddsafsd> yes
[10:46] <jcdutton> Ok, install "upgrade-system"
[10:46] <jcdutton> set your sources.list to bionic and run it.
[10:47] <kiriuha1> m4v
[10:47] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: The resolution is still warped egg-like, and dual monitored.
[10:47] <Draegon> However, brush sensitivity works beautifully.
[10:47] <GenZai> jcdutton, I'm stuck here https://imgur.com/J7vySzn . When I click on close, it instantly reopens the error, and the upgrade doesn't advance. So I'm basically stuck :)
[10:47] <oerheks> jcdutton, i was just saying that is the wrong way..
[10:47] <kiriuha1> ll
[10:47] <oerheks> lolz
[10:47] <fddsafsd> jcdutton: run what ? upgrade system ? after setting bionic to sources list ?
[10:48] <kiriuha1> lolz
[10:48] <fddsafsd> ok doing that
[10:48] <fddsafsd> already
[10:48] <kiriuha1> ok
[10:48] <fddsafsd> thanks
[10:48] <oerheks> please ruin his system..and ignore good advise
[10:48] <kiriuha1> deltet c:\windows\system32
[10:49] <oerheks> kiriuha1, stop that, thanks
[10:49] <kiriuha1> g
[10:49] <kiriuha1> fgf
[10:49] <kiriuha1> gfg
[10:49] <kiriuha1> hi
[10:49] <kiriuha1> lol
[10:52] <jcdutton> oerheks, does one have to go through all that just to get from 17.10 to 18.04  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list
[10:52] <fddsafsd> this is beautiful. The install got stuck for me too, in the middle of upgrade
[10:53] <fddsafsd> when creating symlinks for wpa supp
[10:53] <fddsafsd> ridiculous
[10:54] <oerheks> jcdutton, he wants to upgrade 17.04 .. an EOL release.. so yes
[10:54] <BluesKaj> fddsafsd, did you upgrade your existing packages first?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> and dump any ppas
[10:55] <fddsafsd> killed the gnome terminal
[10:55] <fddsafsd> now any apt command doesn't respond with anything
[10:55] <fddsafsd> it's just blank, stuck
[10:55] <fddsafsd> upgrading the packages got stuck, I didn't even make it to distro upgrade yet
[10:56] <Draegon> oerheks: thanks for that link earlier. worked a treat on reboot.
[10:56] <GenZai> fddsafsd, seems like you are in a worse situation than me
[10:56] <BluesKaj> fddsafsd, what did you think would happen if you kill the terminal in the middle of an upgrade to a new ubunru version
[10:56] <fddsafsd> now sudo pkill apt is also stuck !
[10:56] <fddsafsd> what the fuck
[10:56] <fddsafsd> even pkill is stuck now
[10:56] <BluesKaj> !language , fddsafsd
[10:57] <fddsafsd> and I can't ctrl-c the pkill cmd
[10:57] <oerheks> Draegon, digiment?
[10:57] <fddsafsd> help pls
[10:57] <Draegon> yes.
[10:57] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, what commands did you type?
[10:57] <mgedmin> that sounds like a hardware problem?  (or a stuck network filesystem)
[10:57] <oerheks> Draegon, nice, have fun!
[10:57] <fddsafsd> sudo pkill apt
[10:57] <fddsafsd> it's not responding
[10:57] <fddsafsd> and I can't Ctrl-C it
[10:58] <BluesKaj> reboot
[10:58] <jcdutton> why are you trying to kill it?
[10:58] <fddsafsd> no I'm scared of a reboot at this stage
[10:58] <fddsafsd> because apt was stuck
[10:58] <Draegon> I still need to get some other issues resolved. I got sensitivity working. version 6 completely screwed it, reverting, rebooting and install 7 then reboot has done the trick so far.
[10:58] <fddsafsd> network related I think, or filesystem (mgedmin is probably right)
[10:59] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, do you have nfs mounts?
[10:59] <fddsafsd> no
[11:00] <jcdutton> apt is probably just busy doing stuff, not stuck
[11:00] <fddsafsd> no it's been an hour
[11:00] <fddsafsd> before I closed it I could see it was stuck during a symlink
[11:01] <fddsafsd> now its in background, not doing stuff
[11:01] <mgedmin> any errors in dmesg?
[11:01] <mgedmin> can you launch any applications?
[11:01] <mgedmin> or, rather, programs
[11:01] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, does it appear in "jobs"
[11:03] <hsh> hello everyone,what's"HexChat"?is it a IRC?
[11:03] <fddsafsd> I do have something in dmesg, a stack trace for socket related stuff
[11:03] <fddsafsd> hsh: yes it's an IRC client
[11:03] <hsh> and what can it do?
[11:03] <fddsafsd> it lets you chat with people
[11:05] <hsh> My VLC on my ubuntu MATE can't play video,if i play it,it will black screen and sound only
[11:05] <hsh> What's wrong?
[11:05] <GenZai> hsh, it's just a IRC client https://hexchat.github.io/
[11:06] <Amis> Hello! Can I somehow disable or uninstall the critical battery level notification in Ubuntu 18?
[11:06] <mgedmin> hsh: hard to say!  could be the video codec is unsupported (or not installed), could be a video driver problem
[11:07] <zzarr> hello! I know it's a bit of an off topic is there any micro controller that can run Ubuntu Core?
[11:07] <mancman3> hsh: try running sudo apt update && sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-extras && sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-addons
[11:07] <mancman3> ^^ codecs etc
[11:07] <GenZai> hsh, I suggest to use MPV instead of VLC. https://mpv.io/ I had loads of bug with VLC and ubuntu MATE
[11:07] <linuxsec> join
[11:08] <mancman3> linuxsec: try /join then the #channel name
[11:08] <fddsafsd> jesus... I can ping servers and use IRC for now, but I'm slowly losing functionality here. Browser is also stuck
[11:09] <fddsafsd> I think it's a sign I have to backup files and take my leave
[11:09] <fddsafsd> I knew it would come to this
[11:09] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, don't you backup before an upgrade?
[11:10] <fddsafsd> no I was a confident man before I started the journey
[11:10] <hsh> GenZai: I can't open it T_T
[11:10] <mgedmin> well let's hope the lesson isn't going to be too expensive (data loss-wise)
[11:10] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, if you run "jobs" from the command line, does it list anything?
[11:10] <fddsafsd> no
[11:11] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, I would backup your files now, before you try anything else
[11:11] <fddsafsd> lol yes :)
[11:11] <fddsafsd> on it
[11:11] <jcdutton> Then, follow what it says at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list
[11:11] <fddsafsd> I know as soon as I restart with a corrupt upgrade to wrong distro it'll be braindead
[11:12] <fddsafsd> maybe it was right to include the sources.list for bionic before the update&upgrade but lets see
[11:12] <hsh> I'm using an raspberry pi and i can use a lot of sd chrds and i don't have to backup it^_^
[11:12] <fddsafsd> yeah can't use browser m8
[11:12] <fddsafsd> its slowly dying
[11:13] <fddsafsd> like hal 9000
[11:13] <mgedmin> a half-upgraded OS can be expected to be semi-broken
[11:13] <mgedmin> but the bit about commands getting stuck and not aborting with an error is worrying
[11:13] <mancman3> upgrades just mix old and new. not advised
[11:14] <fddsafsd> there was a file for unity that stores the desktop layout right ? anybody know the path ?
[11:15] <fddsafsd> cant google :(
[11:15] <jcdutton> fddsafsd, what packages did it manage to upgrade? Keep a list of them
[11:17] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Well… The Java Web Start descriptor specifies the Java Version needed to run the app. Having multiple JVMs available (not from packages!) allows running apps with the closest version.
[11:19] <longword> Gotta love write-once-run-anywhere
[11:19] <Lachezar> lifeboy: An alternate way, but really ugly is to download the web-start descriptor locally, change it manually and run it with 'javaws descriptor'
[11:20] <Lachezar> longword: It works pretty well, but changes (need to) occur with time to accomodate differences in underlying tech. So sometimes changes break things. *shrug*
[11:21] <Lachezar> lifeboy: I'd *seriously* recommend you a VM (VirtualBox, KVM, etc.) with older software set (say Ubuntu 14.04) to run these consoles.
[11:21] <Lachezar> lifeboy: Alternatively Supermicro (for instance) has a Java application for remote server management.
[11:28] <cloudbud> how to start a service at boot
[11:29] <EriC^^> !systemd | cloudbud
[11:30] <cloudbud> Eric^^ : Mine is ubuntu 14
[11:33] <k3lt> what would be the easiest way of switching from ubuntu 18.04 grub to windows 10 boot partition, preferrably using windows, it's UEFI/GPT and both bootloaders are on different disk/partitions
[11:33] <k3lt> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/268453833208889345/445547674339639296/1.jpg?width=894&height=468
[11:33] <k3lt> disk 0 is my windows disk, disk 1 is the storage/ubuntu (34GB partition is Ubuntu)
[11:36] <augustl> hi folks. Is there a way to disable ctrl+alt+ arrow keys left/right in Ubuntu 18.04? In the keyboard shortcut settings, I can find settings for "Move to workspace above" and below, but not for left/right. But those keys are still "hijacked" by Ubuntu, even though I can't remap them anywhere
[11:37] <augustl> interestingly, the default key was also super+up for move to workspace above, but it was actually ctrl+alt+up that worked. Super+up does something else (maximizing the window)
[11:37] <augustl> so it seems like there's something fishy in general with the keyboard shortcuts for moving between workspaces
[11:38] <augustl> "Move window one workspace left" etc is also not mentioned here https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html
[11:38] <augustl> err, disregard that last message
[11:38] <augustl> "Move to workspace left" is mentioned on that page. But it is not visible in my settings app
[11:39] <BluesKaj> k3lt, dunno if this still works in UEFI/BIOS, but setting the disk boot sequence used to work for me.
[11:41] <k3lt> BluesKaj: not sure if that's gonna work, as active boot partition is disk1/partition3 and boot sequence wouldn't change that i think?
[11:43] <mgedmin> in ubuntu 18.04 workspaces are vertical (unless you install some gnome-shell extension?), so gnome-control-center hides those shortcuts
[11:43] <mgedmin> you can still find and change them with dconf-editor (or gsettings on the command line)
[11:43] <augustl> ah, cool
[11:44] <augustl> should this be reported, maybe? Seems like a bug that there are unchangeable "hijacked" shortcut keys, maybe they should be settable, or not set in the first place
[11:44] <mgedmin> probably
[11:46] <oerheks> maybe gnome-tweak-tool is any help
[11:47] <augustl> should values changed in dconf editor be applied automatically? I changed it, but the keys are still hijacked, it seems
[11:47] <augustl> maybe I need to log out
[11:48] <mgedmin> the changes should be automatic
[11:48] <augustl> where it means I set org.mate.Marco.global-keybindings switch-to-workspace-left  to 'disabled'
[11:48] <BluesKaj> k3lt,  you mentioned the bootloaders are are on different disks or is it just different partititons ?
[11:49] <mgedmin> augustl: are you running Mate or gnome-shell?
[11:49] <augustl> hmm, good question :) I just searched for workspace and found something
[11:49] <mgedmin> augustl: org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings switch-to-workspace-left is the one for gnome-shell
[11:49] <augustl> I installed some mate stuff in my confusion, I think
[11:51] <gUcu> hello
[11:52] <gUcu> anyone know to overcome the php file if in open only the contents appear in the php file?
[11:52] <gUcu> you can see this http://www.indowork.net/wordpress
[11:53] <augustl> lovely, it's working now. Thanks mgedmin!
[11:58] <oerheks> gUcu, try #wordpress, or #ubuntu-server, my bet is that you need to edit php.ini > php -i | grep "Loaded Configuration File"
[11:59] <gUcu> oerheks: Loaded Configuration File => /etc/php/7.1/cli/php.ini
[12:00]  * gUcu brb
[12:01] <ikonia> gUcu: I'm not actually seeing the problem ?
[12:19] <k3lt> im on freshly installed ubuntu 16.04 and i have issue with sound, for some reason ubuntu has set front panel as my audio output how to change that so it's using headphone jack on sound card?
[12:25] <webrt> Hello
[12:26] <webrt> I've upgraded from 1.10 to 18.04 and now I can't run GNOME
[12:26] <webrt> 17.10\
[12:27] <hsh> Try to re-install your system,I think it will work:-D
[12:28] <webrt> I get black screen and mouse cursor only
[12:28] <webrt> Sometimes thre is tty output and mouse cursor
[12:28] <oerheks> webrt, what session, wayland or Xorg?
[12:28] <k3lt> no audio on freshly installed ubuntu 16.04.. it's not detecting headphone jack connected directly to soundcard (xonar DGX), instead it's sending audio to my front panel on which nothing is connected, homever it's correctly detecting my mic which is connected directly to sound card.. anyone?
[12:28] <webrt> oerheks: I cant reach GDM
[12:29] <k3lt> this is infuriating
[12:30] <webrt> oerheks: is GDM on wayland ?
[12:30] <oerheks> k3lt, that xonar is perfectly supportd with kernel 4.9 .. https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/6s6upo/audio_card_asus_xonar_dgx_support_on_kernel_49/
[12:31] <oerheks> webrt, sure, and on Xorg, logout, and see what session is standard
[12:31] <k3lt> yes i know it is, and it's working as i can tell by microphone
[12:31] <webrt> i mean by default
[12:31] <k3lt> but ubuntu sets default output to front panel which im not using
[12:32] <oerheks> webrt, as you upgraded, not sure what session is standard for you, so you tell us
[12:32] <webrt> i was using wayland
[12:33] <gUcu> hello
[12:33] <webrt> now i get nouveau: Xwayland [13790]: failed to idle channel 128 Xwayland [13790]
[12:33] <augustl> will an upgrade from 17.10 with  wayland to 18.04 continue to use wayland, or will 18.04 override that? Just asking out of curiousity
[12:33] <webrt> augustl: both sessions are still available
[12:34] <webrt> augustl: but I'm not sure if GDM is on wayland by default in 18.04
[12:34] <k3lt> oerheks: how can i change the audio output from front to rear panel? (my headphone jack sits in sound card)
[12:34] <webrt> looks like it is on my system
[12:34] <augustl> k3lt: there's a list in audio settings with all connected inputs and outputs
[12:34] <gUcu> ikonia: you've tried to visit http://www.indowork.net/wordpress/ ??
[12:35] <oerheks> k3lt, install 17.10 or 18.04, so you have a newer kernel.
[12:35] <augustl> speaking of newer kernel, just found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack - my plan is to stay on LTS and use that, best of both worlds
[12:35] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Linux_kernel_4.15
[12:35] <k3lt> oerheks: it just says headphone output, i have that selected but as i said it's outputting audio to front panel
[12:35] <k3lt> which is not in use..
[12:36] <oerheks> k3lt, oke, maybe someone else will help you, i answered you need kernel 4.9 or higher for proper support for that xonar
[12:38] <k3lt> i have HDMI (monitor), S/PDIF, Analog and Headphones outputs to choose from
[12:39] <k3lt> im on Headphone output but for some reason it's not sending audio to headphones connected directly to sound card but to front panel
[12:39] <bobdobbs> Hi. I just upgraded from 17.10 to 18.04. Everything seems to have gone well... except that I'm not getting name resolution
[12:41] <bobdobbs> Like, I can access websites in my browser if I provide an IP address. But I can't ping websites by domain name, or visit domains in my browser
[12:42] <ifassi> #genivi
[12:43] <augustl> bobdobbs: do you have anything in /etc/resolv.conf?
[12:43] <mgedmin> bobdobbs: also, is /etc/resolv.conf a regular file or a symlink, and if it's a symlink, where does it point?
[12:43]  * mgedmin upgraded 17.10 to 18.04 and dns works fine
[12:44] <bobdobbs> augustl: There ares some lines in resolv.conf commented out. I added 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' and restarted networking. This did not result in resolution happening.
[12:44] <mgedmin> bobdobbs: you don't need to restart anything after modifying /etc/resolv.conf
[12:44] <bobdobbs> mgedmin: on the system /etc/resolv.conf is a regular file
[12:45] <mgedmin> so the only non-commented line is 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' that you just added?
[12:45] <augustl> anything useful in `systemd-resolve --status`?
[12:46] <bobdobbs> mgedmin: yes
[12:46] <bobdobbs> augustl: checking ...
[12:47] <mgedmin> so when you try 'ping google.com', what happens?
[12:47] <k3lt> anyone?
[12:47] <k3lt> no audio on freshly installed ubuntu 16.04.. it's not detecting headphone jack connected directly to soundcard (xonar DGX), instead it's sending audio to my front panel on which nothing is connected, homever it's correctly detecting my mic which is connected directly to sound card.. anyone?
[12:47] <augustl> k3lt: is the xonar listed in the recording devices somehow?
[12:47] <k3lt> yeah ofcourse
[12:47] <mgedmin> I don't think systemd-resolve --status will be useful, when /etc/resolv.conf doesn't point to 127.0.0.53 (i.e. systemd-resolved)
[12:47] <k3lt> mic is working fine
[12:47] <augustl> or, what's listed as the "active" item under input devices in settings?
[12:48] <augustl> and is that thing visible in the "output" device list?
[12:48] <bobdobbs> augustl: I haven't seen that command before. The output seems lists a few things: DNS servers, DNSSEC NTA and some other network settings. It provides 8.8.8.8. as the DNS Server
[12:48] <k3lt> Output is set to headphones (CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio]
[12:48] <augustl> bobdobbs: so the systemd dns service is up and running, at least
[12:49] <bobdobbs> looks like I'm unable to ping 8.8.8.8
[12:49] <k3lt> Input is microphone (CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio]
[12:49] <augustl> k3lt: I see, so it's listed there, but no sound is audible?
[12:49] <k3lt> yeah sound is audible from front panel
[12:49] <augustl> bobdobbs: are you able to ping other IPs? (Just checking all the dumb things here now)
[12:50] <k3lt> but not when headphones are plugged into soundcard directly
[12:51] <bobdobbs> augustl: yeah. I pulled some IP's from my bash history. I can successfully ping all of them
[12:51] <augustl> so it's not that ICMP is blocked or something weird like that
[12:51] <augustl> odd that 8.8.8.8 is unpingable
[12:52] <bobdobbs> yeah
[12:52] <bobdobbs> I'll see if I can ping it from another computer in my room
[12:52] <bobdobbs> interesting. I cannot.
[12:53] <bobdobbs> I'm not sure what to make of that. But it's probably incidental and unrelated
[12:53] <augustl> I mean.. sounds like DNS is blocked altogether. But can't imagine what kind of block that would be, since it's not even pingable. What about 1.1.1.1?
[12:53] <k3lt> sigh
[12:53] <mgedmin> instead of ping you could test DNS resolution, like 'host google.com 8.8.8.8'
[12:54] <augustl> mgedmin: TIL, didn't know host took a 2nd argument :)
[12:54] <Iarfhlaith> Where are bugs for Unity tracked now that it's part of universe on 18.04?
[12:54] <bobdobbs> augustl: what does the 'host' command do?
[12:54] <bobdobbs> '
[12:54] <augustl> DNS lookup
[12:55] <bobdobbs> I get a 'connection timed out' when I issue that command
[12:55] <mgedmin> well, that explains why DNS is broken -- you can't talk to your configured DNS server
[12:55] <augustl> k3lt: I don't have any good advice other than getting a newer kernel, unfortunately, since your sound card isn't a generic usb device or something like that
[12:55] <augustl> (or is it?)
[12:55] <leftyfb> augustl: same place they've always been tracked. On launchpad for each package
[12:56] <oerheks> augustl, indeed, that xonar is perfectly supported with kernel 4.9 .. https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/6s6upo/audio_card_asus_xonar_dgx_support_on_kernel_49/
[12:56] <k3lt> augustl: i just fixed it, https://medium.com/@moreless/asus-xonar-dgx-recognized-but-no-sound-ubuntu-16-04-e4c2a8155eae
[12:56] <augustl> leftyfb: which package does this belong to? Is there a overall `gnome` package maybe?
[12:56] <k3lt> it seems like ubuntu was defaulting to onboard sound card
[12:57] <augustl> k3lt: even if you selected the pci card in sound settings?
[12:57] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: try temporarily using a different DNS server. Try editing /etc/resolv.conf and setting nameserver to nameserver 1.1.1.1
[12:57] <k3lt> i had to select it in alsamixer, it didnt show anything in sound settings
[12:58] <mgedmin> bobdobbs: can you ping -n anything at all?  e.g. are you on IRC from the system you're debugging?
[12:59] <augustl> yeah, ping works on other stuff
[12:59] <bobdobbs> mgedmin: I just followed leftyfb's suggestion, and I get resolution
[12:59] <mgedmin> google has DNS servers at 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4; cloudflare(?) has a public dns server on 1.1.1.1
[12:59] <augustl> so 1.1.1.1 works and 8.8.8.8 doesn't?
[12:59] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: what is 1.1.1.1?
[12:59] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: I would complain to your ISP that they're blocking google's DNS server(s)
[12:59] <augustl> I want to buy 1.3.3.7 and seed torrents on it
[12:59] <bobdobbs> mgedmin: nah. I'm on irc on a secondary computer. I've got a linux machine and a mac sitting on my desktop. Linux for work, mac for movies.
[13:00] <Etrigan63> Cloudflare's caching DNS servers. 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1
[13:00] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: I've got a feeling that it might be my own fault
[13:00] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: being unable to ping 8.8.8.8? How did you manage that?
[13:00] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: did you block it via iptables or your router?
[13:00] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: I have a vague memory of messing with the routing tables on the ISP-issued router.
[13:01] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: I think I might have set 8.8.8.8 as the resolver on the router
[13:01] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: that would still be valid and would not cause this problem
[13:01] <bobdobbs> but... I don't think that explains not being able to get resolution
[13:01] <bobdobbs> yeah
[13:01] <leftyfb> Setting 8.8.8.8 as the resolver on your router is a popular recommendation.
[13:02] <leftyfb> These days I recommend 1.1.1.1 It's a lot faster and more secure
[13:03] <bobdobbs> leftyfb: interesting. I didn't know about cloudflare DNS
[13:03] <leftyfb> it's fairly new
[13:04] <mgedmin> some routers apparently steal 1.1.1.1 for their own purposes, which interferes with this use case
[13:04] <longword> Some folk run into odd networking issues against them
[13:04] <jmgb4> 1.1.1.1 is great. I use it with my Pi Hole
[13:05] <bobdobbs> leftyfb, mgedmin thank you both.
[13:07] <SporkWitch> bobdobbs: step 1) buy stand-alone DOCSIS3 modem, step 2) buy not-garbage SOHO router; it's honestly not worth fighting with the horrible all-on-ones the ISPs try to force you to rent
[13:08] <SporkWitch> *all-in-ones
[13:08] <Etrigan63> The secondary dns is 1.0.0.1
[13:09] <bobdobbs> SporkWitch: I don't have to rent a modem here. Or rather, the rental is included in the package from my vendor.
[13:09] <SporkWitch> bobdobbs: that's a common line they use to get you to rent it lol
[13:10] <bobdobbs> SporkWitch: I think the market works a little differently here in NZ.
[13:10] <SporkWitch> possible; you mates have some especially mean ISPs
[13:11] <JimBuntu> I don't rent the modem either, it's free with service. I would save $0 if I use my own.
[13:11] <gUcu> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50289731/how-to-overcome-php-file-if-in-open-appear-like-this
[13:11] <ubentobox_w> Hey peeps :)
[13:12] <leftyfb> gUcu: if you're looking for help with php, try /join #php
[13:13] <BluesKaj> some ISPs don't allow other router  brands since their firmware is tweaked for "best possible service"
[13:14] <leftyfb> BluesKaj: if you don't mind NAT'ing a NAT, your own router is always an option
[13:14] <ubentobox_w> BluesKaj, really? I've not encountered that anywhere so far in US, you just have to tell them you're setting it up and update the router to contain the expected macID of your previous router
[13:15] <bobdobbs> yeah. but the downside is that if networking goes to  hell then customer service at the ISP becomes useless.
[13:15] <leftyfb> spoofing the MAC of your ISP's modem/router isn't a common requirement anymore. We now have bridge mode.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> mine was tweaked to use their DNS servers that was blocking my vpn service , but that was an easy fix
[13:15] <bobdobbs> I'm sure I remember the days when I could ring my ISP and the person answering the phone actually understood networking
[13:15] <jmgb4> leftyfb, Nating a nat is always ugly. I always do my best to tear down their router into bridge. I also come from the security side where NAT is a lot like closing the blinds on your house saying "ok, were safe now". Any script kitty can figure out how to get around it
[13:15] <ubentobox_w> no I know its not common but some still do
[13:15] <leftyfb> bobdobbs: nah, just pop a computer upstream for troubleshooting
[13:15] <gUcu> leftyfb: and im use ubuntu, my vps ubuntu
[13:16] <leftyfb> gUcu: if you're looking for help with php, try /join #php
[13:16] <ubentobox_w> if you CAN, try taking a computer with multiple NICs and using OPNSense
[13:17] <ubentobox_w> wonderful firewall/routing BSD based replacement
[13:18] <jmgb4> ubentobox_w, Was that to me?
[13:18] <ubentobox_w> I logged in mid-convo, so whoever was looking for a router solution, try that. Also.. very thorough security review and great features
[13:18] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, well in my case the modem was an elcheapo TP-Link with only 25mb speed capacity and the router was basically just a switch with wifi, so the new ISP's router is setup for 1000mb speeds if I want to pay for that
[13:19] <leftyfb> jmgb4: feel free to join #ubuntu-discuss and explain to me how a script kiddie can "get around" a NAT'd network
[13:19] <ubentobox_w> jmgb4, ^
[13:19] <jmgb4> ubentobox_w, Got it
[13:37] <Iarfhlaith> Where are bugs for Unity tracked now that it's part of universe on 18.04?
[13:39] <PsychoBoB> morning!
[13:39] <PsychoBoB> SSD is better than HD
[13:39] <PsychoBoB> ?
[13:39] <PsychoBoB> ubuntu is very slow on my notebook
[13:40] <compdoc> ssd is much faster
[13:40] <BluesKaj> PsychoBoB,  specs?
[13:40] <compdoc> and very reliable if you get a good brand
[13:40] <leeyaa> hello
[13:40] <leftyfb> Iarfhlaith: Again, the same place as before. The project pages for the packages associated with Unity have not moved. No, I do not know of all the packages associated with Unity. A quick google or apt-cache search can tell you that. If you need help with a particular package or problem, please detail the issue here. Your question doesn't actually help your situation.
[13:41] <leeyaa> how to switch from 18.04 LTS development branch to 18.04 LTS stable branch ?
[13:41] <PsychoBoB> compdoc, nice!
[13:41] <leftyfb> leeyaa: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:41] <PsychoBoB> I'll change then
[13:41] <BluesKaj> leeyaa, when the first point release in July is released for LTS
[13:42] <compdoc> ssd are better for portables because you can drop it and not harm the drive
[13:42] <leeyaa> BluesKaj: i installed one server from an ISO file and it says 18.04 LTS. then i upgraded one server from 16.04 to 18.04 LTS and it says development branch for some reason
[13:42] <leeyaa> what is the difference
[13:43] <BluesKaj> none really
[13:43] <leeyaa> thats confusing ;p
[13:43] <BluesKaj> maybe you j=have LTS only flag enabled on the altter
[13:43] <BluesKaj> latter
[13:43] <Iarfhlaith> leftyfb: Thanks. The issue is that in 18.04 the HUD is not working. It doesn't display a list of menu options to choose from for any apps regardless of what I type. I want to file a bug report on the HUD issue specifically.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> still
[13:44] <leftyfb> !ubuntu-bug | Iarfhlaith
[13:44] <mgedmin> leeyaa: where does it say "development branch"?
[13:44] <leftyfb> !bug | Iarfhlaith
[13:45] <leeyaa> mgedmin: https://bpaste.net/show/3e099f629bde
[13:46] <mgedmin> leeyaa: that comes from /etc/lsb-release, which is shipped by the base-files package
[13:46] <leeyaa> mgedmin: how to switch to stable ?
[13:46] <mgedmin> but it's a file in /etc, and thus conffile, so if it was modified locally, the changes would persist?
[13:47] <mgedmin> leeyaa: what does apt policy base-files say?  10.1ubuntu2 is the final version
[13:47] <leeyaa> mgedmin: its a brand new node upgraded from 16.04. no custom changes ;p
[13:47] <mgedmin> leeyaa: what does debsums -e base-files say?
[13:47] <leeyaa> it is 10ubuntu1
[13:47] <leeyaa> dont have debsums ;p
[13:47] <mgedmin> okay, 10ubuntu1 looks suspicious
[13:47] <mgedmin> is your mirror outdated?
[13:48] <leeyaa> it is possible
[13:48] <leeyaa> hm
[13:48] <mgedmin> try at least apt update && apt upgrade
[13:48] <leeyaa> did that. ill try run it against my own mirror, it should be latest.
[13:48] <mgedmin> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=base-files has the version it should be for each release (10.1ubuntu2 for 18.04 LTS)
[13:50] <leeyaa> mgedmin: yeah looks like that mirror is out of date
[13:51] <mgedmin> is it an official mirror?  you could report it in #ubuntu-mirrors iirc
[13:51] <lupulo> hi
[13:52] <leeyaa> afaik it is.  deb [arch=amd64] http://apt-mirror.bg.nc/ubuntu bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[13:52] <leeyaa> whops not that one
[13:53] <leeyaa> that one deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security main restricted universe
[13:53] <leeyaa> here is the full list https://bpaste.net/show/e109c813aedb
[13:53] <marc_with_a_c> I installed a package that changed my boot screen to a different flavor of the Beaver. I would like to get it back to vanilla. It was the Ubuntu Ky... package that did it. I would like to get it back to default with out removing the wallpapers from that edition. Is there an easy graphical way to choose those, or just an edit through a script or such?
[13:53] <leeyaa> i guess the security one is up to date
[13:53] <mgedmin> official mirrors are usually <country-code>.archive.ubuntu.com
[13:53] <interrobangd> hello, how can i change /sys/class/drm/card0/gt_max_freq_mhz during boot? i have writte a udev rule, but dont work, because *something* overwrite it again
[13:54] <mgedmin> although I suppose you could pick one ...
[13:54] <leeyaa> really? i didnt know that
[13:54] <mgedmin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors shows which mirrors are actually used for each country
[13:54] <leeyaa> mgedmin: telepoint is on there, but it says last update unknown
[13:54] <leeyaa> ok that explains
[13:55] <leeyaa> thanks mgedmin
[13:56] <mgedmin> marc_with_a_c: I'm not sure about graphical ways; but in a terminal you could do that with sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[13:56] <tomreyn> leeyaa: you can just use bg.archive.ubuntu.com, it will always point to a good mirror.
[13:57] <mgedmin> there are actually three sets of boot themes you can configure separately: default.plymouth, default.plymouth.grub, and text.plymouth
[13:59] <crmlt> So
[13:59] <marc_with_a_c> mgedmin, Thank you, Im new to linux and cannot stop playing with stuf. Ive finally got a system config I like and then that happened. Thank you. I did not know what it was called i needed to configure. Ill RT*M Plymouth for more information. Thanks again.
[13:59] <asdfperson> im trying to adb my phone in ubuntu 17.10 and i get error "no permissions (user in plugdev group; are your udev rules wrong?); see [http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html]"
[13:59] <crmlt> there is bug in nouvea kernel 4.15
[13:59] <leeyaa> tomreyn: thanks. i will note that.
[13:59] <crmlt> See: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106512
[13:59] <mgedmin> marc_with_a_c: Plymouth is the name of the software that draws the boot screen, after grub, and before gdm
[14:01] <marc_with_a_c> mgedmin, Thanks again, reading about it now.
[14:01] <mgedmin> marc_with_a_c: ooh I just checked /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian and noticed that you need to update the initrd image for the new theme to be actually used on next boot
[14:01] <mgedmin> it mentions the command to do that
[14:01] <mgedmin> er, no it doesn't
[14:02] <mgedmin> my memory is like a goldfish
[14:02] <mgedmin> I just read that like 5 seconds ago and already forgot what it does and what it doesn't
[14:02] <marc_with_a_c> mgedmin, I see that too.
[14:02] <mgedmin> update-initramfs -u is the command to rebuild the initrd
[14:03] <mgedmin> (you can add -k all to update the initrds for all kernel versions, instead of just the latest one)
[14:04] <leeyaa> god, why netplan...
[14:05] <mgedmin> haha yeah my question exactly
[14:08] <asdfperson> im trying to adb my phone in ubuntu 17.10 and i get error "no permissions (user in plugdev group; are your udev rules wrong?); see [http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html]"
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> asdfperson: You might find better help in /join #android
[14:10] <asdfperson> 17.10 is broken? i added universe by checking it in software updates. then when i do sudo apt update i see https://pastebin.com/raw/EkCvuJW2
[14:10] <asdfperson> example error W: chmod 0644 of file /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_artful_InRelease failed - 201::URIDone (95: Operation not supported)
[14:10] <mgedmin> those are warnings, not errors -- check the leading W:
[14:11] <asdfperson> hm ok
[14:12] <mgedmin> still, they shouldn't be there, and I wonder what causes them
[14:14] <marc_with_a_c> mgedmin, Thank you, got it all back to where I desired. Much appreciation.
[14:15] <asdfperson> mgedmin: maybe 17.10 is in-flux distro between unity/gnome has to do with it
[14:16] <mgedmin> I don't remember these from when I was on 17.10
[14:16] <asdfperson> hmmm yes and im on a livecd with nothing going on
[14:16] <asdfperson> tis fresh
[14:16] <mgedmin> ah, livecd?  ignore, overlayfs could be causing this
[14:17] <asdfperson> oh? what does that mean
[14:17] <mgedmin> livecd works by layering a ramdisk on top of a readonly squashfs using some kind of overlay filesystem (aufs? overlayfs?)
[14:17] <mgedmin> it that doesn't mean anything to you, the tl;dr is "livecd is special"
[14:17] <asdfperson> gotcha
[14:17] <mgedmin> if you do an actual install, you won't see these warnings
[14:18] <ash_work> what is the recommended way to install skype?
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> !find skype
[14:19] <ikonia> !skype | ash_work
[14:19] <ash_work> thanks
[14:21] <ash_work> "Skype (old version) no longer available in Canonical Partner. New version available on the Skype web site.
[14:21] <ash_work> so... the website then.
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> I believe a snap was also released, though I'm not certain
[14:33] <JoksuPoksu> I'm trying to install ubuntu server 18.04 but after I select (for disk) manual or entire disk, it goes back to phase 1
[14:33] <JoksuPoksu> what should I do?
[14:34] <mgedmin> report a bug?
[14:35] <mgedmin> you can also try the alternative install iso, maybe it doesn't have that bug
[15:00] <chanikan> I installed the latest Lubuntu lts on my 2007 32 bit macbook.  Lubuntu 16 lts worked fine, so does this one, with the exception of not booting the first time.  Only white screen, loading sound, then black screen and nothing. If I turn it on and off again, it boots into the grub menu and Im able to boot normally from there
[15:01] <Modding> Who knows a good working state of the Art IRC Client ( i am using old buggy X-Chat)
[15:01] <chanikan> hexchat?
[15:02] <ash_work> is there a currenly recommended tftp package? my google-fu comes up with this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TFTP but it's mentions of 14.04 in the year 2015 makes me skeptical
[15:02] <mgedmin> ash_work: dnsmasq has a builtin tftp server
[15:04] <ash_work> mgedmin: I see. The inevitable goal is to ipxe chainload rancher
[15:04] <ash_work> mgedmin: dnsmasq doesn't complicate matters does it?
[15:04] <mgedmin> I don't know; I only did a PXE boot once, and it was using dnsmasq
[15:05] <mgedmin> and it was not as hard as I was afraid it was going to be
[15:05] <mgedmin> but not as trivial as I would wish it to be
[15:07] <chanikan> black screen on boot for me until I force reboot, then it loads to grub  (shortened my question a bit)
[15:07] <ash_work> nothing is ever as trivial as I wish it to be
[15:09] <MonkeyDust> !nomodeset | chanikan try this
[15:10] <Modding> thx for the hint with hexchat
[15:10] <chanikan> thank you ubottu I`ll try that
[15:11] <chanikan> using hexchat on all my devices nowadays
[15:18] <chealy> etnaviv
[15:18] <Guest42559> jello
[15:21] <Guest42559> d
[15:25] <RusAlex> having troubles adjusted iptables after installed docker. now docker doesnot work obviously
[15:26] <RusAlex> is there a way to restore default docker iptables rules?
[15:28] <RusAlex> good just restarting daemon is enough
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[15:47] <dedze> Hi, is this the proper way to install flash for firefox (on ubuntu 16.04?) -> sudo apt install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[15:51] <leftyfb> dedze: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-install-flash.html
[15:52] <leftyfb> dedze: first result on google for "ubuntu flash"
[15:53] <dedze> leftyfb: Oki thank you
[16:03] <pagios> stun works over udp right? the way it works is that clientA connects to a stun server asks for its ip and source port, and that connection creates a nat rule in the router in clientA side. now clientB wants to connect to clientA so it asks for this info from the stun and then clientB connects to public ip of clientA and the port in that natting table, routerA detects that the port is for clientA and formwards it inside to
 the internal network? is this how it works?
[16:04] <leftyfb> pagios: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STUN
[16:10] <MonkeyDust> pagios  but that's not an ubuntu question
[16:22] <TBotNik> All: 2 issues this AM 1. Autostart issue, 2. Apt-get issue with MySQL.  Writeup for #1 at:  www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5854590#post5854590 and writeup for #2 at: www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5854600#post5854600
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> TBotNik: In both cases, you have failed to provide one of the most essential pieces of information. You didn't include what OS you are running or the version of the OS. Along with that, cross posting between forums and this channel is frowned upon. When you start a support topic in one place, it is best to continue using that one place. It keeps the support for the topic connected and easier to follow.
[16:33] <TBotNik> pragmaticenigma: Kubuntu 14.04 LTS.  I don't consider a writeup "crossposting" as "flooding" is prohibited and gets you banned!
[16:35] <ash_work> where can I find more specific information on the configuration options for dnsmasq?
[16:35] <ash_work> specifically, I'm trying to find out more about `dhcp-match=set:`
[16:36] <pragmaticenigma> ash have you tried the man pages, have you searched google?
[16:36] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work:  have you tried the man pages, have you searched google?
[16:37] <ash_work> pragmaticenigma: I couldn't find anything in man specifically about the conf file other than that it exists... I was able to find a generic conf file with comments online, but it isn't very detailed
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> man of the conf file entries are taken directly from the program arguments
[16:40] <ash_work> pragmaticenigma: example?
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work: The options for th conf file are taken directly from the command line arguments listed in the man page. It also has an example of what an entry will look like
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work: Search the man page for dhcp-match, you will find it
[16:43] <ash_work> pragmaticenigma: thanks; I appreciate it
[16:59] <ChunkzZ> is it me or anyone else have 2 icons for our network on ubuntu 18.04?
[16:59] <ChunkzZ> wireless or wired, 2 icons are there.
[16:59] <ChunkzZ> is it just  me? :P
[17:00] <compdoc> ive seen double arrows and the wifi V
[17:00] <ChunkzZ> compdoc, nah it's defiantly two icons for the network and both say the same stuff like networks etc.
[17:07] <case`> Hi all. is channel active?
[17:07] <longword> Not very.
[17:08] <case`> longword: Ty thought looked quiet, was wondering if something was wrong with my irc
[17:09] <DJones> case`: With it being a support channel, it can be quiet unless somebody asks a support question, general chat is in #ubuntu+1
[17:11] <case`> DJones: I know thankyou, just looked quiet, has been known to be busy... Just checkin.. Thanx again
[17:20] <thiszux> any reason why VLC doesnt remember settings or play iso's with a Stutter ? Ubu18
[17:21] <worktoner> With the goal of killing all all the defunct processes running, would it make sense to run a command like this: ps -ef | grep defunct | awk '{sudo kill -9 $2 $3}'
[17:21] <thiszux> go i need wine cuz its a win7 dual boot ?
[17:22] <thiszux> these Linux OS are worthless if peerguardian doesnt come pre-installed...Any Distro that has phl peerguard ?
[17:23] <thiszux> pgl
[17:26] <tomreyn> thiszux: if you have an ubuntu question, you're welcome to ask here. comparing distros is better done elsewhere.
[17:27] <thiszux> tomreye  i asked 3 ?'s ---All unanswered
[17:28] <tomreyn> thiszux: maybe it's the way you ask - take a look at http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[17:29] <worktoner> I tried killing these zombie processes but now their parent is PID 1. Not certain how to kill them properly.
[17:30] <tomreyn> to kill zombies, you reboot
[17:30] <NoImNotNineVolt> or you have the parent wait them.
[17:31] <tomreyn> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16944886/how-to-kill-zombie-process
[17:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> though, if they have parent pid 1, it seems likely that they're orphans, not zombies.
[17:33] <TBotNik> All: OK got an answer to issue #1, so now just concentrating on #2 my apt-get, mysql i combo issue
[17:35] <MonsieurBon> blackflow, remember, that I blocked all IPv6 traffic yesterday?
[17:35] <MonsieurBon> blackflow, I had been asking about iptables-persistent
[17:40] <MonsieurBon> Yesterday I found, that on my router the ipv6 iptables had everything on ACCEPT. I don't actively use IPv6, so I set INPUT and FORWARD to DROP. Since I did that, I can't resolve DNS querries anymore. dig microsoft.com just returns "connection timed out; no servers could be reached". The box is running bind and dns from my local network works without problems. Any idea how I can make dns resolution use ipv4?
[17:47] <sere_> i can get this command to work but for some reason irssi doesnt save it /sbar awl_0 add -before awl_0 -alignment left usercount
[17:48] <solsTiCe> in ubuntu 18.04, I have that issue that gnome ssh keyring (??) is asking my password ssh key 3 , 4 even 5 times in a row before it actually works and is accepted. I may be mistype it once or twice. certainly not 5 times in a row. anyone see that ?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> sere_: perhaps the #irssi channel might know that one
[17:50] <sere_> lotuspsychje: ok thanks
[17:51] <arooni> whats the shortcut to run something invoked in the terminal?  i'd like to run         cd ~/software/taskwarriorc2; ./node_modules/.bin/electron desktop.js $argv; ;; but when i do that even with & at the end it doesnt seem to detach
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: That is a question better suited for a channel supporting software development, this is for Ubuntu Support
[17:53] <arooni> how can i get unity to show me the run program dialog
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> Alt + F2
[17:54] <leftyfb> https://askubuntu.com/questions/99679/cant-get-the-gnome-run-dialog-running-with-unity-on-11-10
[17:55] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: as found on google, that doesn't work in Unity unless you're running gnome-panel, which conflicts with aspects of Unity
[17:55] <leftyfb> arooni: I found that by searching google for "ubuntu unity run dialog"
[17:55] <arooni> maybe i should finally stop using altavista search
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: I use it all the time in Unity... it's not an isolated window, but it is for executing commands. I use it launch several programs with specific arguments
[17:56] <leftyfb> I just always have a terminal open :)
[17:56] <arooni> leftyfb: well me too; but when i run that command it monopolizes the terminal and wont let me run anything else until the program is done
[17:57] <arooni> and since i guess the alt+f2 doesn't respect my fish shell paths; it doesnt know how to run that command
[17:57] <arooni> or fish aliases
[17:57] <leftyfb> arooni: <command> <args> &
[17:57] <leftyfb> arooni: also, there's tabs and windows (with terminator)
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> Now that I've learned the joys of "> /dev/null 2>&1 &" I do that more often
[17:57] <arooni> leftyfb: tmux for the win
[17:57] <arooni> pragmaticenigma: how is that different than adding & at the end
[17:58] <leftyfb> it isn't
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: Some programs dump extra information out to to STDERR while the run, it just redirects that output since I don't have a use for it
[17:58] <leftyfb> just close the term/window and re-open :)
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: Otherwise the & on the very end is exactly the same thing
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: In my experience that kills the application
[17:59] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: it shouldn't if it's written properly
[17:59] <allahu4kb4r> I like 18.04
[17:59] <allahu4kb4r> ubuntu 18.04 is very nize
[17:59] <leftyfb> !support | allahu4kb4r
[17:59] <allahu4kb4r> I like all the animation window effects and the small things here and there
[17:59] <arooni> i edited the alias and made it into a functino and added & at the end; works great now
[17:59] <leftyfb> !chat | allahu4kb4r
[18:00] <allahu4kb4r> we can't chat here ?
[18:00] <allahu4kb4r> why not
[18:00] <arooni> allahu4kb4r: your lesson learned; don't be excited about how great ubuntu is
[18:00] <arooni> take your evangelizing to ##windows lol :P
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> arooni: plz dont suggest windows to ubuntu users
[18:00] <nacc> allahu4kb4r: that's the not the purpose of the channel
[18:00] <leftyfb> arooni: this is a support channel. Not for chat/discussion. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic if you do not have a support question/issue
[18:02] <leftyfb> !op | weqs_homosexuaL
[18:03] <weqs_homosexuaL> whats wrong\
[18:03] <weqs_homosexuaL> I'm not chatting anymore
[18:03] <weqs_homosexuaL> chill
[18:16] <MonsieurBon> I have bind9 running on my router and dns resolution works fine in my home network. But for some reason, dig or nslookup are not using the local bind9 server. dig @127.0.0.1 bls.ch works fine, but dig bls.ch returns "connection timed out; no servers could be reached". How can I make sure that bind is used locally too?
[18:18] <MonsieurBon> /etc/resolv.conf has only nameserver 127.0.0.53
[18:20] <matjam> /etc/resolv.conf should point to systemd-resolved
[18:20] <grobyc> could anyone help me understand how to use grep and how to pipe stuff into it?
[18:20] <leftyfb> grobyc: https://opensourceforu.com/2012/06/beginners-guide-gnu-grep-basics-regular-expressions/
[18:20] <matjam> cat /etc/services | grep smtp
[18:20] <MonsieurBon> matjam, it points to /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[18:21] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep
[18:21] <leftyfb> grobyc: first result on google for "grep tutorial"
[18:21] <matjam> MonsieurBon: looks right
[18:21] <grobyc> yeah i'd been going through the man page i think im just fucking up my input
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | grobyc
[18:22] <grobyc> >_> okay
[18:23] <grobyc> well I'm doing a wargame and I'm trying to figure out how I'd filter standard output from a bunch of files in seperate folders and piping it into grep to pick out the one that's 1033 bytes
[18:24] <grobyc> so i'm trying du inhere/*/* -b | grep -e 1033
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> grobyc: is the file size 1033 bytes? or a value in a line within a file?
[18:24] <grobyc> but i dont get any output am i using the wrong args?
[18:24] <grobyc> the file size is 1033
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> try using the command "find"
[18:24] <oerheks> find /home/ -type f -size 1033c -exec ls {} \;
[18:25] <grobyc> whoa damn that got it that's pretty wizard
[18:25] <matjam> grobyc: man find
[18:26] <grobyc> oh goddamn it i know what i did now
[18:26] <grobyc> there was a dot in the filename
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> grobyc: please dont swear here
[18:26] <grobyc> sorry it's habitual
[18:26] <grobyc> anyway thanks for helping me
[18:28] <matjam> MonsieurBon: yeah not sure why it would behave like that
[18:29] <matjam> MonsieurBon: so if you use strace you might find out what files dig is reading, maybe get a hint to where its getting its resolver from
[18:30] <MonsieurBon> matjam, systemd-resolve --status has the following output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jTsBYV7SY7/
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> dig tells you the server it is looking at when you don't specify your own
[18:30] <MonsieurBon> matjam, shouldn't that be 127.0.0.1?
[18:30] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, it uses 127.0.0.53
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> depends on your configuration and setup
[18:31] <MonsieurBon> matjam, sorry forgot half my message: the last line shows DNS Servers: fe80::1. Should that be 127.0.0.1?
[18:32] <matjam> MonsieurBon: fe80::1 is localhost in ipv6
[18:32] <matjam> I believe
[18:32] <matjam> oh no
[18:32] <matjam> it could be your router
[18:32] <matjam> maybe your router doesn't support ipv6 dns
[18:33] <Etrigan63> MonsieurBon: fe80::1 is local address (::1 specifically).
[18:33] <matjam> its a link local address
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: is dnsmasq installed on that box?
[18:33] <Etrigan63> It's the same as localhost
[18:33] <James_Epp> I had a customer's system come in that is running ubuntu 18.04. On boot it launches a kernel panic with the most interesting line being https://bpaste.net/show/772226496ca1 . If I investigate /etc/issue it reads as 18.04 . Am I experiencing a dist-upgrade failure?
[18:34] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, dnsmasq is installed, yes
[18:34] <matjam> Etrigan63: I think fe80 is actuall similar to 169.254.0.0/16
[18:34] <matjam> so, local to local LAN only
[18:35] <matjam> some routers don't route public V6 addresses to the devices, and rather do NAT to fe80:: addresses
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: So what you have is normal. Dig is looking at your local caching dns provided by dnsmasq... that is then supposed to be configured to look at bind, however, it maybe looking at the DNS addresses being sent by the DHCP server
[18:35] <Etrigan63> Well ::1 = 127.0.0.1 (ipV6 to ipV4)
[18:35] <matjam> right ::1 is v6 localhost address
[18:35] <matjam> ie, loopback
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> James_Epp: Did the customer mention they attempted an upgrade? if so from what previous version?
[18:36] <matjam> MonsieurBon: dry dig @ fe80::1 bls.ch
[18:36] <matjam> MonsieurBon: try dig @fe80::1 bls.ch
[18:36] <matjam> lol
[18:36] <James_Epp> pragmaticenigma: Yes, they reported they were doing updates.
[18:36] <James_Epp> I predict it would have been 16.04.
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> James_Epp: best not to assume... My course of action would be to back up the data on the machine and do a clean install
[18:38] <James_Epp> pragmaticengima: K. I've never done a transfer like that before. What do I do? Install fresh and overwrite /home with my backup of /home ? Is that enough or will I need to do magic in /etc/ and other dirs?
[18:39] <James_Epp> I'm also wondering if doing some kind of chroot to the mounted partition and fighting with manual package rectification is something to try
[18:39] <AndroUser> Hi all. Anyone know if Hyper-v optimized builds of 18.04 exist yet? Can't find anything solid through Google
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> James_Epp: that's one option... You might be able to repair the package, I really don't know.
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> SJWackness: Please do not change your screenname after asking for help
[18:40] <James_Epp> pragmaticenigma: According to records the system was built in late 2014 so 14.04 or 14.10 is possible.
[18:40] <SJWackness> Standard 18.04 is super laggy with UI under Win 10 host. Am i better off with VirtualBox for now?
[18:40] <Bashing-om> James_Epp: See what the package manager thinks ? ' sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C ' .
[18:41] <James_Epp> bashing-om: I've never chroot'd to an ubuntu system before. Does this guide look good? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[18:41] <ImageJPEG> I have a feeling I'm gonna be stuck on 16.04 for a while on my nas
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> SJWackness: Ubuntu 18.04 was just release, optimized builds I assume are made by 3rd parties which we don't support.
[18:42] <ImageJPEG> I should wait for a subversion of 18.04 to come out, shouldn't I?
[18:42] <matjam> ImageJPEG: yes
[18:42] <matjam> ImageJPEG: wait for 18.04.1
[18:42] <ImageJPEG> I am using ppa's for netatalk and samba...wonder how much that'll screw me over
[18:42] <matjam> ImageJPEG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[18:43] <MR_BIGC0CK> hi
[18:43] <matjam> ImageJPEG: shouldn't be too bad. I would disable the PPAs, and remove the packages from the ppas, and then do the upgrade, and see if the official packages work
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> ImageJPEG: When available, you will see an update notice during an "apt-get upgrade" that there is a newer version ... 3rd party repos aren't supported, and usually removed during a version upgrade. packages related are uninstalled (if everything works properly(
[18:43] <MR_BIGC0CK> can I ask a question
[18:43] <SJWackness> From the press releases from MS and Canonical it's officially supported and designed
[18:43] <Bashing-om> James_Epp: I prefer a full change root . lemme hunt up the tutorial .
[18:43] <MR_BIGC0CK> can anybody help me
[18:43] <matjam> MR_BIGC0CK: don't ask to ask, just ask
[18:44] <MR_BIGC0CK> I have a question
[18:44] <James_Epp> pragmaticengima & bashing-om: Found an article explaingin /dev , /proc/ , and /sys . I'll try this later, thank you!
[18:44] <SJWackness> Was scheduled for Q1 release but appears to have missed the mark
[18:44] <ImageJPEG> So backup my configs
[18:44] <MR_BIGC0CK> is magic trackpad 2 supported on ubuntu ?
[18:44] <matjam> MR_BIGC0CK: not fully no, someone was in here the other day and they couldn't get two finger scrolling to work, etc.
[18:44] <James_Epp> pragmaticengima & bashing-om : I already have a backup so that's not my primary concern. I'll pull down the 18.04 .iso file for good measure.
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> MR_BIGC0CK: Not officially, there are various tutorials online that have mixed results
[18:45] <matjam> MR_BIGC0CK: https://github.com/tiziano88/magic-trackpad-2-linux/issues/4
[18:45] <MR_BIGC0CK> I've tried everything and I only have support for left click and cursor movement
[18:45] <MonsieurBon> matjam, pragmaticenigma, dig @fe80::1 bls.ch does not work, also because ip6tables has everything dropped. If I open the firewall, dig bls.ch works, but my resolution of the local .home domain still does not work as it's not using the local bind server
[18:46] <MR_BIGC0CK> yeah nothing works as of kernel version 15
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: Is it possible that dnsmasq would support all that you need without the heavy overhead of BIND?
[18:46] <MR_BIGC0CK> thanks for confirming
[18:48] <matjam> MR_BIGC0CK: seems like there's a lot of not happy peeps so should get plenty of eyeballs at some point
[18:50] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, hum, I did not know about dnsmasq. Sounds interesting.
[18:50] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, but would that actually solve the problem of local dns resolution (on the router itself, that is)?
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: If all you're trying to do is give your local network friendly names for easier lookup, dnsmasq can do that as well as handle caching addresses that are for sites outside your network
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: I do not know the topology of your home network. If you're using a Modem/Router, they offer the ability to type in the IP address of a DNS server. In most cases the router will not care if it is an internal or external address
[18:52] <drsperker> Hello !
[18:52] <drsperker> If I do apt-get upgrade and something doesn't work like before, how can I go back ? And what do I need to do before every upgrade so I can return back easily ?
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: what do you mean "does not work like before" ?
[18:53] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, I'm running my own router with ubuntu-server
[18:54] <matjam> drsperker: there's no easy way to rollback to an earlier package configuration out of the box. You can use btrfs to kind of do it but it's a bit complicated. https://askubuntu.com/questions/769329/is-there-a-way-to-restore-a-linux-system-to-a-previous-state-using-btrfs-as-in
[18:54] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, but yes, friendly names for router, nas, etc. basically all I'm trying to do. And that works well from my laptop, pc, phone, etc. But not on the router itself. If I run dig router.home on my laptop I get 192.168.0.1, but if I run that on my router, it's not resolving, unless . So the problem is not with bind, I think.
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: It won't work... You don't want it to work that way, else you will create a loopback
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> MonsieurBon: The server should be setup to look externally for addresses it doesn't know... if it looks to itself, it will never find websites on the open internet
[18:56] <MonsieurBon> pragmaticenigma, bind is configures with a forwarder address. shouldn't it ask that server if it can't resolve itself?
 Can I do something before the upgrade ? So I can rollback ?
[18:57] <matjam> MonsieurBon: you can configure bind such that it is authoritative for .home and recurses for anything else
[18:57] <matjam> drsperker: the instructions are on that link. I have not done it, and can't vouch for the method.
[18:58] <matjam> MonsieurBon: note "recursion yes;" and "allow-recursion { YOUR_LOCAL_NET; };" configuration will need to exist
[18:58] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma: I mean that maybe the new package ex. mysql-server have done changes and some parts of my databases doesn't work..
[18:58] <MonsieurBon> matjam, That's exactly what I did. And it does work. Bind is not the problem. Running dig @127.0.0.1 on my router let's me resolve everything from my local .home domain and also from the public internet. But dig without @ won't ask 127.0.0.1 but 127.0.0.53 and that will not resolve anything.
[18:59] <Bashing-om> drsperker: There is no undo, what there is is the ability to boot an older kernel that worked prior to the upgrade . In any upgrade one must update the data base first : ' sudo apt update ' .
[18:59] <matjam> MonsieurBon: you'll probably want to hard code the resolver in the router's configuration to use 127.0.0.1 for DNS resolution, either in the interface config or in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[18:59] <matjam> that will make local programs use the local resolver
[18:59] <matjam> on your DHCP configuration, point all DNS requests to your router
[19:00] <matjam> if your router is 192.168.0.1 for instance, just use that. Don't also add 8.8.8.8 or any other DNS servers, as it is semi-random which dns server will be queried, and other nameservers won't know about .home
[19:02] <MonsieurBon> matjam, do I need to reload anything after changing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf?
[19:03] <matjam> MonsieurBon: um, probably at least the systemd-resolved service
[19:03] <badsekt0r> MonsieurBon, no but it usually take a few minutes for it to be the new DNS, usually because of Caching in your browser
[19:03] <matjam> badsekt0r: does systemd-resolved reload automatically if the configuration changes?
[19:03] <badsekt0r> MonsieurBon, i thought the file was /etc/resolve.conf
[19:03] <MonsieurBon> badsekt0r, no browser, just dig in bash on the router itself
[19:04] <matjam> badsekt0r: /etc/resolve.conf is now managed by systemd
[19:04] <badsekt0r> matjam, i thought we were talking about /etc/resolve.conf sorry
[19:04] <drsperker> matjam : It's a remote server , Can I have the backup to my computer ?
[19:04] <sparq> Hey, other than on reboot, does anyone know why /run/user/<uid> would get purged?
[19:04] <matjam> drsperker: what are you upgrading from, to?
[19:05] <drsperker> matjam : I just want to run a apt-get update & apt-get upgrade and I'm worrying to have a way to rollback if something breaks
[19:05] <matjam> drsperker: recommend that you leave a server on 16.04 until 18.04.1 is released.
[19:06] <YADW1> Hello! Is there any way to batch convert all of the .psf.gz fonts in my /usr/share/consolefonts folder to .ttf or some other X11 compatible font format?
[19:06] <MonsieurBon> matjam, that worked like a charm!
[19:06] <matjam> drsperker: there's no real way to rollback, dude.
[19:06] <drsperker> matjam: I'm not going to do 'dist upgrade'  just an 'upgrade'
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: I would assume that what changed isn't a bug in the package, but instead it was config file change.
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: I would double check my.conf to make sure it's still setup the way it was
[19:07] <matjam> MonsieurBon: cool beans
[19:07] <Bashing-om> !dist-upgrade | drsperker
[19:07] <MonsieurBon> matjam, pragmaticenigma, thanks a lot for your help. I'll have a look at dnsmasq too.
[19:08] <matjam> 👍
[19:08] <ioria> drsperker, apt -s upgrade (or full-upgrade); s-s = simulate
[19:08] <YADW1> My intent is to customize virtual terminals to look like ttys, so I'd like to convert the actual font files and use similar color/size/aliasing settings in graphic environments
[19:09] <matjam> YADW1: You might fight someone has already done that work for you, pretty sure I've seen those kinds of fonts out there in ttf
[19:09] <matjam> *find
[19:09] <drsperker> ubottu: I thought that dist-upgrade was to upgrade to a new version :O
[19:10] <drsperker> ioria: I thought that dist-upgrade was to upgrade to a new version :O
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> no drsperker
[19:10] <ioria> drsperker, negative
[19:10] <matjam> negatory drsperker
[19:11] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma: As I live I'm learning !
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> dist-upgrade will upgrade packages to newer versions, upgrade applies patches only
[19:11] <YADW1> matjam thank you, but I've looked everywhere on the internet, neither Terminus nor Unifont were perfectly the same. Unifont was something similar though.
[19:11] <drsperker> and apt-get upgrade ? will update to new distro ?
[19:12] <ioria> drsperker, are you trolling ?
[19:12] <matjam> terminus is the biznit
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: no, take a look at "man apt-get"
[19:12] <drsperker> ioria: no ! I'm just trying to understand !
[19:12] <ioria> drsperker, that's why Bashing-om posted the link for you
[19:14] <YADW1> matjam I had to look at the urban dictionary meaning for "biznit", to find out it's a word for "A punk, a b*tch, a person that is bothersome". What on earth did you mean xD
[19:14] <TBotNik> All: Updated my writeup on the MySQL/apt-get issue I have at: linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5854686#post5854686  Really desperately need help!
[19:14] <matjam> lol, yeah, I meant, like, it's awesome
[19:15] <ryzokuken> I thought Ubuntu 16.04 didn't work on Macbook Pros because it's old, and 18.04 will.
[19:16] <ryzokuken> It still doesn't.
[19:16] <matjam> yeah macbook support is spotty
[19:16] <matjam> ryzokuken: trackpad problems?
[19:16] <ryzokuken> exactly, trackpad is a blaring hole
[19:17] <ryzokuken> matjam trackpad just refuses to work
[19:17] <matjam> yup, seeing a lot of people with that problem in here
[19:17] <YADW1> matjam well yes, it kinda is. But the point is, it's not much similar at all. I thought the best idea was to "rip" my own fonts from the default folder, can anyone give me a hand here?
[19:17] <ryzokuken> tbh, I could split this out into a more general issue: what to use for work?
[19:17] <matjam> YADW1: I have no idea, I'm afraid. There's probably some tool in xorg that might get you some of the way there. Sounds like a fun journey.
[19:17] <ryzokuken> MacOS is really nice, but the hardware seems kinda meh now after my keys started getting stuck
[19:18] <ryzokuken> Windows is not good at programming work at all, it seems.
[19:18] <matjam> ryzokuken: the only reason to buy the hardware is to run the OS, imho, but if you want to run linux there's better hardware.
[19:18] <ryzokuken> Linux just keeps failing me plus I cannot get devices to run it
[19:18] <ryzokuken> matjam exactly
[19:18] <Jonta> What do you need to do for work?
[19:19] <ryzokuken> A decent programming environment
[19:19] <Jonta> Too broad
[19:19] <ryzokuken> I should atleast be as productive as I am on my Mac (not too much, tbqh)
[19:19] <ryzokuken> Jonta *nix stuff should just work, so that rules out Win
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> ryzokuken: This isn't a polling channel, it is a support channel. Do you have a support specific question? Otherwise, please visit /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:20] <Jonta> Well, does it have to be a Ubuntu LTS?
[19:20] <ryzokuken> Jonta not necessarily.
[19:20] <matjam> ryzokuken: I have a work provided macbook running macos for development, mostly Go, some typescript, using vscode. At home I run linux + vscode, etc, its basically identical workflow.
[19:20]  * matjam apologises for going off topic.
[19:20] <ryzokuken> pragmaticenigma the main question is about running Ubuntu on a Macbook tbh
[19:21] <ryzokuken> matjam I used to use Ubuntu in school, it used to break every other day
[19:21] <ryzokuken> I think the experience is much smoother in laptops meant to run it
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> ryzokuken: that's fine, but you're question is very broad... Do you have Ubuntu installed on the MacBook?
[19:21] <ryzokuken> eg: Sys76 or Dell's devices
[19:21] <YADW1> matjam A fun journey indeed lol. I find myself in this kind of situations quite a lot tbh (last time I was trying to make ubuntu 16.04 a multiseat distro, I'll let you imagine just how well did it end. God why do I have to be like this). Especially right now that in my timezone it's 9:20 in the evening and I have 50 pages of my textbook, which I'm opening only now, to study for a latin exam tomorrow, but I literally can't focus beca
[19:21] <Jonta> Have you looked for a distro that targets macbooks?
[19:21] <ryzokuken> Jonta are there any? I didn't know.
[19:22] <ryzokuken> pragmaticenigma I tried, the trackpad doesn't work.
[19:22] <matjam> pragmaticenigma: do you know of a bug in launchpad tracking the magic trackpad issue?
[19:22] <matjam> I'm looking
[19:22] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma: If I keep the list of dpkg -l and try to install again if something goes back after the upgrade ? Can I do that ?
[19:22] <drsperker> goes bad*
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> ryzokuken: It's a known issue with Mac's that the trackpads are not working. There isn't a solution currently for it. There are developers working to get it up and running, however at this time all you can do is wait.
[19:23] <ryzokuken> :(
[19:23] <Bashing-om> drsperker: No .. the depencies are changed with the new packaging .
[19:23] <YADW1> In times like this I feel like I never should have joined the linux "fandom", is more of a hobby  than a productivity advantage lol
[19:23] <ryzokuken> Plus repos on apt are at times lagging behind so I have to build software myself (messy)
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: The upgrade process is one-way only. Once it runs, there is no going back
[19:23] <ryzokuken> brew feels much better in this regard.
[19:24] <matjam> ryzokuken: there's a lot of bugs currently filed against the kernel for trackpad related stuff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1283701
[19:24] <ryzokuken> matjam oh, okay.
[19:24] <matjam> ryzokuken: check back in a month or so and you might find it will be all fixed
[19:24] <drsperker> Bashing-om , pragmaticenigma So if something goes bad I have to fix it right ?
[19:24] <ryzokuken> matjam all we can do is wait, I guess.
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: We haven't even established what is wrong with your machine.
[19:24] <matjam> 18.04 is super new, exotic stuff like mac specific trackpads often are not supported simply because it doesn't make the cut by apri
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: I asked you to verify your configuration files, make sure they weren't changed after the update.
[19:25] <ryzokuken> matjam is it Ubuntu related or can I not expect any Linux distros to work?
[19:26] <ioria> ryzokuken, why don't you ask to hw manufactures to release the specs ?
[19:26] <matjam> ryzokuken: it's a kernel thing, you might find newer kernels have bugs that older kernels didn't have, so you might have luck with say, linux mint or something like that with an older kernel .. but I have no idea.
[19:26] <ryzokuken> ioria I think that's asking too much in case of Apple
[19:26] <Bashing-om> drsperker: You are overtinking this .. it is rare that "something goes bad" . In most cases it is a config issue on the users end . One does backup their data - as a matter of course .
[19:26] <crmlt> Trackpads works good on linux with libinput
[19:26] <ryzokuken> they clearly don't care and I feel bad about it.
[19:26] <ioria> ryzokuken, dam right
[19:27] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma : There is nothing wrong. Actually is the first time that I have in my hands a real server running away from my pc , so I'm trying to do things carefully.. (And I'm not trolling) Where can  I find my configuration files ? where are they ?
[19:27] <matjam> ioria: yeah, right, ryzokuken is going to write to apple and get them to release the specs on their trackpad to the linux kernel developers.
[19:27] <ioria> hehehe
[19:27] <matjam> 🙄
[19:27] <ryzokuken> matjam I'd rather get them to fix the keyboard and go back to using MacOS
[19:27] <matjam> ryzokuken: yeah I think it's bonkers that so many people are having trouble with the keyboard
[19:28] <matjam> anyway this is an off topic discussion
[19:28] <ryzokuken> indeed
[19:28] <sparq> Hey, other than on reboot, does anyone know why /run/user/<uid> would get purged? Something keeps wiping it and crashing all the processes that keep their PID files and state data there. :-(
[19:28] <drsperker> Bashing-om : I'm overthiking a lot in every thing , but this is for another discussion. :D
[19:29] <sparq> Seems like roughly every 24 hours, my user's run directory gets purged.
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: For starters, you should run a local server that is setup the same as your remote server. That way you can test updates before applying them to your remote server (to avoid issues like this)
[19:29] <Jonta> drsperker: Different config files are in different places. I suggest searching "where's the config file for [program]"
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: The default config file for mysql is /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: though that file should not be modified by anyone. instead custom options should be saved in the /etc/mysql/conf.d folder
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: Also, if you are paying someone to for the remote hosting, they really should be the ones helping you. Since they may have customizations to the OS we are not aware of
[19:34] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma: It's just a server that is currently running at my university (dedicated). So say that it happens an upgrade to mysql-server x.1 and it goes to mysql-server x.5 . Only the my.conf file will have changes ?
[19:34] <matjam> drsperker: so, anecdotally, I've never had a problem with mysql-server being upgraded on ubuntu servers.
[19:35] <matjam> the upgrate scripts do a good job in general.
[19:35] <matjam> ( they have to, because lots of servers run ubuntu, and breaking mysql would be a Bad Thing ™ )
[19:36] <matjam> I
[19:36] <matjam> am at the point now where I don't even think about upgrades on my ubuntu servers, I just do it. Rarely have any issues.
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: Depends on what changed within mysql-server that warrents a configuration file change. There is a lot more to this problem than we can dig into here. You really should contact the people in charge of maintaining the server for help.
[19:39] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma : Say that there is a mysql-server update which your current database schema doesn't work good with the new server cuz of changes. (Actually they are giving you a mysql script to run to perform the update in mysql ) But  as you say If you want to go back to the previous mysql version you can't :/
[19:39] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: It is many of our experiences that an upgrade of a software package, rarely if ever goes wrong on its own. There is usually some customization having been done that falls out of scope of the ability for us to troubleshoot and properly diagnose. When that happens, we direct you to the people in charge of the server, in this case your University's IT team.
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: what you just said is complete giberish and makes absolutely no sense.
[19:44] <ioria> drsperker, you mean perform a query and it does nor work anymore when worked before  ?
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: The updates provided when you run "apt-get upgrade" are not scripts. They are replacement binaries that contain patches, bug fixes only. There are no scripts executed on the database data, except when it pertains to the mysql schema (which you should not have any tables in or custom changes)
[19:45] <matjam> drsperker: mysql kind of guarantees that point releases won't break your database schema.
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> matjam: there is no "kind of" ... they either break or don't break.
[19:46] <genii> pragmaticenigma: Not strictly true, since some packages run preinstall and postinstall scripts
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> and in the larger picture they are tested to not break. Breakage
[19:46] <rfleming> How can I get QT apps to run in GNOME with the GTK style?
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> genii: not those types of scripts
[19:46] <rfleming> (Example: Dolphin)
[19:46] <matjam> true, but what I mean is, there's a general social contract there that point releases are bugfixes
[19:46] <matjam> it woudl be Bad Form to break configuration or database on a point release
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> rfleming: The QT engine takes care of that natively, to the best of it's ability.
[19:47] <matjam> its the kind of thing that would stop anyone from ever using mysql again.
[19:47] <rfleming> pragmaticenigma: I see... I run a dark theme and dolphin looks like crap all bright and illegible :)
[19:47] <drsperker> ioria: Yeah, exactly ! Because they made changes to their source code like ex. the way that foreign keys designed (I'm just saying) matjam: Yes the are giving you an .sql script to run to make changes . But as we said until now . If you made an upgrade from mysql-server x.1 to x.5 you can't go again to x.1 properly ! You can't do something before the upgrade to rollback. When it's done it's done ! Am I understing it  right ?
[19:47] <rfleming> (icon wise)
[19:49] <matjam> drsperker: back up all the mysql files, and if you want to roll back, remove the mysql package and re-install the old version of the package from the repos.
[19:49] <matjam> (and restore the backed-up files)
[19:49] <ioria> drsperker, not a sql magician, but usually you just change your code (or if possible force the previous pkg, never done btw)
[19:50] <ioria> rfleming, breeze
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> drsperker: This conversation has become very unproductive. You've been given several options. It's up to you to persue them. Otherwise, we're just going in circles at this point and need to move on.
[19:56] <sparq> Any systemd experts around today?
[19:56] <pragmaticenigma> sparq: Please ask your question, preferably on one line. If someone knows the answer, they will respond. If no one knows, you won't receive a response.
[19:57] <drsperker> pragmaticenigma : Thank you a lot !
[19:59] <sparq> pragmaticenigma: Yep. I read the FAQ. Now I'm looking for someone who might have general knowledge about the relevant system.
[19:59] <worktoner> I am curious why some malicious user would want to run the following: /tmp/.FILE/hidden_hacker_files/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --library-path /tmp/.FILE/hidden_hacker_files/hackerfile1 /tmp/.FILE/hidden_hacker_files/hackerfile2
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | sparq
[19:59] <worktoner> It seems like they copied in some libraries including ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 and a bash binary
[20:00] <worktoner> What would be the purpose of bringing in your own copy of ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 and bash?
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: This doesn't appear to be a support issue for Ubuntu, please consider one of the other Ubuntu channels such as discussion or offtopic
[20:01] <_KaszpiR_> worktoner ability to execute on systems which lack specific libraries, so they provide their own with all dependencies required, and some other features
[20:01] <worktoner> _KaszpiR_: I see so maybe they just didn't know if those libraries would be available or not so they brought their own in? Makes sense.
[20:02] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: Are you recommending another channel?
[20:02] <_KaszpiR_> they may target most of linux distros, so they bundle all stuff
[20:03] <sparq> ubottu: Sigh. Please see scrollback before explainin how to IRC.
[20:03] <sparq> Ah, that explains it.
[20:03] <worktoner> _KaszpiR_: yes it seems there was a whole group of libraries but that one was the only one I found being used via 'proc'
[20:03] <worktoner> erm.. 'ps' i meant
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> sparq: What I am telling you is to ask the question. Not ask for anyone... no one is going to respond unless they know what your question is up front.
[20:04] <_KaszpiR_> worktoner upload it to virustotal and see what it reports
[20:05] <worktoner> _KaszpiR_: Sorry it has been some time since I had to wear my netsec hat. What is virustotal?
[20:05] <_KaszpiR_> google?
[20:05] <worktoner> Certainly, thx
[20:06] <worktoner> eh, what if these files contained some sensitive data like something that was being exfiltrated? Maybe its not the best idea to upload these files at this point in time
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: Again, this is offtopic, please see #ubuntu-offtopic=
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: Again, this is offtopic, please see #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:07] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: Are you a bot?
[20:10] <xebra> hi, in my /etc/network/interfaces I only have two lines, both about the "lo" interface. So where and how is my ethernet interface configured?
[20:14] <worktoner> _KaszpiR_: Thanks again. I guess I'll pipe down before the thought police write me a ticket
[20:15] <_KaszpiR_> yw
[20:18] <andrew09> I'm trying to update the BIOS, but when writing the FreeDOS image to the usb it becomes only 32MB so I can't copy the exe file to it
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> xebra: Interfaces are defined by NetworkManager... /etc/network is lower level and a fall back when NetworkManager fails to load
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: Please offer the same respect to others as you would expect yourself. Name calling isn't apporpriate here and is against the community guidelines. I asked you to take the conversation elsewhere because it is not a support issue. you are researching an issue, and I was attempting to offer a better resource for that purpose.
[20:22] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: What are you talking about?
[20:23] <worktoner> I am working with files that a malicious user left behind on an Ubuntu system. That seems an appropriate enough topic to discuss in this channel. I'm sorry you don't see things the same way.
[20:23] <worktoner> Also what do you mean by name calling?
[20:24] <subPunk> greetings from Croahello
[20:24] <subPunk> i meant Croatia
[20:26] <PsychoBoB> Guys
[20:26] <fragtastic> Anyone else notice a problem switching virtual desktop to the left? Ubuntu 18.04 with Budgie. Can hold Ctrl then press right arrow to switch in that direction, but when switching left Ctrl has to be repressed each time
[20:27] <PsychoBoB> How I can disable a service with auto star
[20:27] <PsychoBoB> start
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu system support, packages and software that is distributed by Canonical and Ubuntu. You're discussion on a potential breach does not fall within that definition. You're attempt to research about files that appear to have been created by a malicious user is not within that scope.
[20:27] <PsychoBoB> just remove the alias from /etc/init.d ?
[20:27] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: version and flavor of ubuntu?
[20:27] <fragtastic> PsychoBoB, systemctl disable <service>
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: No, please provide more information includeing the Ubuntu version that you are running so we can offer the correct advice
[20:28] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: I'm sorry are you an admin here or some kind of moderator?
[20:28] <PsychoBoB> SlidingHorn, ubuntu 18.04
[20:28] <PsychoBoB> fragtastic, this command disable in the moment
[20:28] <PsychoBoB> I need disable ever
[20:28] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: what is the service?
[20:29] <PsychoBoB> monit
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: That command when run as sudo will disable the service from starting next time the computer is rebooted.
[20:29] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: the command fragtastic gave you will do what you want then
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> systemctrl stop <service> is temporary and will allow the service to restart when the computer is rebooted
[20:30] <PsychoBoB> shure
[20:30] <PsychoBoB> ?
[20:30] <PsychoBoB> and how do I always disable?
[20:31] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: we just told you.
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: "systemctrl disable monit" will disable the service
[20:31] <PsychoBoB> hmmm
[20:31] <PsychoBoB> disable !!!
[20:31] <PsychoBoB> is it
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: There are no files to delete... the tool will automatically do the appropriate changes
[20:31] <SlidingHorn> systemctl *  pragmaticenigma / PsychoBoB
[20:31] <oerheks> https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/enable-disable-services-ubuntu-systemd-upstart/
[20:32] <oerheks> easy to find
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> SlidingHorn: thanks for the correction
[20:32] <PsychoBoB> monit.service is not a native service, redirecting to systemd-sysv-install.
[20:32] <PsychoBoB> Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install disable monit
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: "systemctl disable monit" will disable the service (sorry for the typo)
[20:32] <PsychoBoB> is the msg that i receive
[20:32] <Kon-> My audio levels are borked in PulseAudio. Some frequencies are only barely audible at max volume
[20:33] <Kon-> This is compared to yesterday, or today in Windows with the same audio files and same playback equipment
[20:33] <fragtastic> oerheks, that site gives a 503 Service Unavailable btw
[20:33] <PsychoBoB> pragmaticenigma, SlidingHorn
[20:33] <PsychoBoB> help me
[20:33] <Kon-> I've been told that PulseAudio doesn't have any kind of equalizer function, so how is it that my audio levels can get borked in the first place?
[20:34] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | PsychoBoB
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: If you are done using the application you can "sudo apt-get purge monit" which will both remove the service and uninstall the program.
[20:35] <PsychoBoB> =(
[20:35] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: that wasn't an error message.  The service should be disabled.
[20:35] <PsychoBoB> really ?
[20:35] <PsychoBoB> =)
[20:36] <fragtastic> PsychoBoB, please check the status of the service
[20:36] <PsychoBoB> how ?
[20:37] <oerheks> PsychoBoB, how did you install monit? 18.04 uses proper systemd commands
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> sudo apt install monit
[20:38] <fragtastic> PsychoBoB, systemctl status monit
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> systemctl status monit
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> ● monit.service - LSB: service and resource monitoring daemon
[20:38] <PsychoBoB>    Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/monit; generated)
[20:38] <PsychoBoB>    Active: active (running) since Mon 2018-05-14 17:12:49 -03; 25min ago
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> sorry
[20:38] <PsychoBoB> it's running
[20:39] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB / fragtastic we only disabled it...we didn't stop it... PsychoBoB - please answer oerheks' question, though
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: It will continue to run after you disable
[20:40] <fragtastic> it still should say if it's enabled/disabled from status even if it's running/stopped
[20:40] <john00> Hey guys, I'm trying to write FreeDOS image to the usb using Startup Disk Creator, but it becoms only 32MB after finishing so I can't copy files. Anyway to make it FAT32
[20:41] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: Hey I didn't get a response from you. I don't want to rock the boat here but I'm definitely dealing with an issue that has to do with an Ubuntu system. It's frustrating that you don't feel I'm on topic enough but I'm going to go ahead and keep talking about ubuntu security here unless you had more to say?
[20:41] <oerheks> oh, a whole post about monit (17.10, but should be equal for 18.04) ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/953368/systemd-doesnt-restart-monit-after-kill?rq=1
[20:42] <oerheks> is this a feature of monit?
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> worktoner: Stop it, you're acting like a troll now and it's inappropriate. If you want to talk about Ubuntu Security the apporpriate channel for that is #ubuntu-offtopic. Security is not a support topic, it's a security topic. since there is no channel dedicated to security, it's belongs in offtopic.
[20:43] <worktoner> pragmaticenigma: Just because someone has a debate with you doesn't mean they are acting like a troll.
[20:44] <john00>  Hey guys, I'm trying to write FreeDOS image to the usb using Startup Disk Creator, but it becoms only 32MB after finishing so I can't copy files. Anyway to make it FAT32
[20:44] <matjam> !offtopic | worktoner
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> !repeat | john00
[20:44] <SlidingHorn> !patience | john00
[20:46] <`whoami`> Hello. Do you have any idea why I am able to boot from a ubuntu usb key (the 18.04 installer) and use it as a livecd, while I'm unable to boot from another usb key where I installed ubuntu using the previous usb key ? Secureboot is disabled, and UEFI is enabled.
[20:46] <xebra> worktoner, did you try asking in #security ? That's a better chan I guess
[20:46] <worktoner> xebra: Hey thanks, I alreay got my question answered though.
[20:46] <worktoner> I suppose I'm just trying to wrap up a side chat here with pragmaticenigma
[20:46] <`whoami`> and the usb drives are plugged in the same slot (I switched them before booting)
[20:47] <oerheks> worktoner, please don't.
[20:47] <matjam> `whoami`: the USB stick you installed to won't have the correct boot manager installed.
[20:47] <leftyfb> worktoner: From what I read, your ubuntu system has been compromised. Your ONLY course of action is to wipe it, reinstall Ubuntu and restore from backups created before the compromise. Beyond that, there's nothing more to discuss about it here. We help with problems with Ubuntu. Your issue is a problem with security and at this point, reinstalling Ubuntu.
[20:47] <matjam> worktoner: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic as has been suggested to you several times.
[20:47] <worktoner> leftyfb: yes we have restored the system to a point before the incident, thank you for the advice.
[20:47] <`whoami`> matjam: interesting. Any lead to install that right ?
[20:47] <worktoner> matjqm: Excuse me?
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | worktoner
[20:48] <worktoner> I take it you don't intend to answer my question. Thanks anyhow
[20:49] <PsychoBoB> I'll restart the machine
[20:49] <PsychoBoB> and then see monit service
[20:49] <`whoami`> pragmaticenigma: you could have used /ignore instead of highlighing all the ops. Just sayin'
[20:49] <pragmaticenigma> PsychoBoB: How or where did you find instructions to install monit?
[20:50] <matjam> `whoami`: I would google it, I don't know anything offhand. I'm sure people do it, but it's not a common installation target and I don't think it's supported officially.
[20:50] <PsychoBoB> pragmaticenigma, i just run apt install
[20:51] <matjam> `whoami`: I found this (old) question here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/170454/can-i-install-ubuntu-to-my-32-gb-usb-pen-drive
[20:51] <xebra> worktoner, why was your system compromised? And is it desktop or server?
[20:51] <`whoami`> matjam: ah, that'd  be because I'm installing it on another usb drive. I was thinking about something like "grub-uefi wouldn't have been run during install" or something
[20:51] <xebra> worktoner, just curious
[20:51] <pragmaticenigma> xebra: that is offtopic as was stated earlier
[20:51] <`whoami`> thanks, I'll check the link !
[20:52] <SlidingHorn> PsychoBoB: You apparently installed some other repository beforehand, though, as the default version in the official ubuntu repos wouldn't have given you the "is not a native service" message you received previously
[20:52] <xebra> pragmaticenigma, well, the infection vector might be interesting to know though, in this chan
[20:52] <pragmaticenigma> xebra: As was already stated by 3 people, it is offtopic
[20:53] <matjam> xebra: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:53] <SlidingHorn> xebra: interesting, maybe, but still off topic.  Feel free to continue the interesting conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[20:57] <tolland> /part/part
[20:57] <tolland> /part/part
[20:58] <fragtastic> Budgie on 18.04 would be supported in this channel, right?
[20:59] <tgm4883> fragtastic: yes
[20:59] <matjam> it's an official community flavor
[21:00] <fragtastic> matjam, not actually using the separate flavor though. just tasksel budgie desktop on Ubuntu 18.04
[21:00] <matjam> you're good, whats your problem
[21:00] <fragtastic> having a problem with the virtual desktops
[21:01] <fragtastic> can Ctrl+Right + Right + Right ...
[21:01] <fragtastic> but Ctrl+Left + Left ... doesn't work
[21:01] <fragtastic> I have to release and press Ctrl again if I want to switch left
[21:01] <fragtastic> Not a huge problem by any means, just annoying
[21:01] <matjam> I don't know, someone else might. Bueller? Bueller?
[21:02] <worktoner> xebra: We had delays patching a CMS system that had a security hole
[21:02] <SlidingHorn> fragtastic: curious - does this occur no matter which desktop you're switching from, or only if you're on #1 (switching to #x - x being the highest number desktop)?
[21:03] <worktoner> xebra: Oh sorry, also it is a server
[21:03] <fragtastic> SlidingHorn, yep any desktop. i can switch left then right but not left again too
[21:03] <mattfly> is someone there with nvidia drivers installed able to hibernate? I am not and have reported a bug but Havent found no one else with this issue or up to test it
[21:04] <matjam> worktoner: please /join #ubuntu-offtopic if you wish to discuss something that isn't a specific support question for ubuntu. Not trying to be a pain, it's just, we are quite happy to discuss non-support related stuff there, where as here it's just noise.
[21:04] <worktoner> matjam: I much prefer this statement to your previous one.
[21:04] <matjam> worktoner: I don't always have time to write a long explanation, which is why we use ubottu's macros to direct people to better places. We are all volunteers.
[21:05] <worktoner> Thanks for volunteering
[21:06] <matjam> mattfly: I use the nvidia proprietary driver and am able to hibernate. Are you on a laptop by any chance?
[21:06] <mattfly> yes i am on a laptop
[21:07] <fragtastic> Just got a crash report dialog /usr/share/budgie-desktop/virtualspace/shownav
[21:07] <mattfly> oh thanks for saying that i was wondering if i should try the proprietary driver
[21:07] <matjam> mattfly: you're using the proprietary driver?
[21:07] <mattfly> i installed the nvidia-384 package that offers 390 driver
[21:07] <matjam> was that the package offered in Software Updates?
[21:07] <mattfly> im on a dell i15 7567 with nvidia gtx 1050ti
[21:07] <fragtastic> er, i mean /visualspace/ not /virtualspace/
[21:08] <mattfly> matjam: can you tell me about your hardware and how did you proceed to install the proprietary drivers and is it ubuntu bionic ?
[21:09] <matjam> mattfly: in Software & Updates, go to Additional Drivers and select "Using NVIDIA binary driver"
[21:10] <matjam> that driver is supported by ubuntu.
[21:10] <matjam> (and, yes, this is in 18.04)
[21:10] <mattfly> isnt it the nvidia-384 package??
[21:11] <mattfly> i guess it does the same as installing nvidia-384
[21:12] <matjam> mattfly: the latest for ubuntu 18.04 appears to be 390
[21:12] <matjam> as that is what I have installed
[21:12] <mattfly> but the package name is 384
[21:12] <fragtastic> SlidingHorn, i'm gonna dig into this script and try to see what's going on
[21:13] <mattfly> I have it selected to use nvidia drivers on that page
[21:13] <matjam> could be; when I look with dpkg --list | grep nvidia, I see 390 (I'm not at home, so I'm ssh'd into my ubuntu box)
[21:14] <mattfly> what is your hardware ? what is your nvidia card? how much ram and is it a fresh install? are you using the swap file?
[21:14] <matjam> mattfly: ok this appears to be the most up to date information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:14] <mattfly> since the alpha i can hibernate :/
[21:15] <mattfly> nvidia-384: Transitional package for nvidia-driver-390
[21:15] <matjam> mattfly: you might also want to check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 for bugs that may be relevant to you
[21:15] <mattfly> nothing related to hibernation...
[21:16] <matjam> mattfly: then I suggest posting perhaps with information about your configuration and maybe the maintainers can help you
[21:16] <mattfly> i did https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uswsusp/+bug/1770491
[21:17] <matjam> ok, sorry, I don't have anything else to suggest.
[21:17] <mattfly> can you give me details about your hardware?
[21:17] <matjam> it's a desktop machine with a 1070 in it
[21:18] <matjam> it's not exotic.
[21:18] <mattfly> how much ram do you have and are you using a swap file or partition, and how much swap you have
[21:18] <mattfly> ?
[21:18] <IntelCore> Two things. One, I click Software center, and..whileI see the loading, it does nothing
[21:19] <IntelCore> Two, After grub menu, ubuntu loads and checks my pc now.. 16.04
[21:19] <matjam> mattfly: I don't think that has much to do with anything, it's just a desktop machine. Hardware for desktops is more common. You're probably hitting some weird bug that only affects certain chipsets/hardware configurations on notebooks.
[21:19] <mattfly> i see..... can be
[21:19] <matjam> IntelCore: have you made changes to sudoers configuration?
[21:19] <IntelCore> not to my knowledge
[21:20] <mattfly> oh if i set a password to root will this driver update stop working?
[21:20] <mattfly> because it also never worked to me
[21:20] <matjam> no
[21:21] <IntelCore> does 16.04 unity with gnome require ubuntu one to load the software-center?
[21:22] <matjam> IntelCore: no, I am able to use it without ubuntu one.
[21:23] <IntelCore>  P:  The One that does not load is under Applications>SystemTools>Administration
[21:24] <matjam> IntelCore: do you have a ~/.cache/gnome-software directory
[21:24] <IntelCore>  Have another Under just SystemTools menu, has no icon
[21:24] <Kon-> How can I restore user-level defaults in PulseAudio and PavuControl? I have an issue which does not exist on a newly created user.
[21:24] <Kon-> I couldn't figure out the problem so this seems the easiest way
[21:24] <fragtastic> as far as i can tell, the left/right workspace shortcuts are listed under "custom" and the command issued is /usr/share/budgie-desktop/visualspace/visualspace <prev|next>
[21:25] <fragtastic> Running in terminal manually is fine, just something about holding Ctrl+Alt is a problem
[21:25] <matjam> fragtastic: maybe another keyboard shortcut is defined somewhere
[21:25] <IntelCore> matjam - yes (3.20)
[21:25] <matjam> IntelCore: quit software center, delete that directory, and re-open it
[21:27] <IntelCore> shows icon, pointer swirls, ahh - it loads
[21:27] <IntelCore> ty
[21:28] <IntelCore> why is my loading now scrolling up checking my stuff [OK} in green
[21:28] <fragtastic> matjam, i've tried removing/readding/changing the shortcuts. still doesn't like moving left
[21:28] <matjam> fragtastic: weird
[21:29] <matjam> fragtastic: try making a new user account and seeing if it behaves the same in that new user account
[21:30] <matjam> IntelCore: not sure what you mean
[21:31] <matjam> Kon-: I don't know for sure, I would do a find . | grep -e "pav|pulse" and see what files show up
[21:32] <IntelCore> matjam - grub menu loads.. says Ubuntu at top.. with others below. I give 30 secs, or hit enter. Well, when I hit enter, it goes text scrolls up, instead of a Ubuntu loading graphic
[21:33] <matjam> IntelCore: but you get a login screen eventually?
[21:33] <IntelCore> yes. it is now checking like in safe/or advanced
[21:33] <matjam> did you select the recovery mode?
[21:33] <IntelCore> noo
[21:34] <matjam> did you install the binary driver for your machine in Software Center?
[21:34] <matjam> er software & updates
[21:34] <IntelCore> no. those update themselfs
[21:34] <matjam> but you get a login like normal and can log into GUI?
[21:35] <IntelCore> yep it will finish and open a gui with me to login
[21:35] <matjam> so, it's probably fine. My machine doesn't do the splash screen either because I installed the nvidia driver.
[21:36] <IntelCore> yes, is running, fine enough. I also note that I did get a USB of 18.04 and ran live session of 18.04
[21:37] <IntelCore> got both iso on drive in downloads
[21:37] <IntelCore> seem after I did this usb, was when
[21:37] <fragtastic> matjam, wouldn't have thought of making another account. Tried it and it behaves properly
[21:38] <fragtastic> I guess it's because my user existed before I installed budgie
[21:39] <matjam> fragtastic: sometimes the config can get messed up, especially if you upgrade from one version to the next and keep the homedir the same, I've taken to storing my files elsewhere and blowing away my homedir on each upgrade/install
[21:39] <fragtastic> I suppose deleting, or at least temporarily moving, ~/.config might be worth a try
[21:39] <matjam> while the ubuntu packages upgrade cleanly, there is not always good support for upgrading the configuration in your homedir for every component, and things like budgie are less popular so they're probably even more likely to have problems.
[21:40] <matjam> I think a lot of things also use .local
[21:40] <matjam> and then theres .gconf, and .gnome, and ... yeah you get the idea
[21:41] <fragtastic> I'll remove gnome first
[21:42] <matjam> 👍
[21:44] <IntelCore> kompozer not in ubuntu. I want like SeaMonkey.
[21:44] <IntelCore> got Blueish
[21:45] <IntelCore> *BlueFish
[21:46] <fragtastic> matjam, thanks a ton though!
[21:46] <matjam> fragtastic: my pleasure
[21:47] <fragtastic> Well, I might as well reinstall at this point. tasksel install ubuntu-budgie-desktop then tasksel remove ubuntu-desktop
[21:47] <fragtastic> Didn't do what I thought
[21:48] <matjam> fragtastic: lawl, yeah, I'm sure removing ubuntu-desktop killed a lot of necessary stuff
[21:48] <oerheks> adding a desktop, no problem, but removing one can be amazing
[21:48] <matjam> oh look, its removing grub
[21:48] <matjam> ... and the kernel ... and libc ...
[21:48] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: See if this helps you at all...I'd recommend reading through all the comments for the top answer as well https://askubuntu.com/questions/854046/restore-default-audio-drivers-in-ubuntu-16
[21:49] <fragtastic> I was under the impression it would just remove the unity/gnome desktop packages
[21:49] <fragtastic> Since I had already selected ubuntu-budgie-desktop
[21:49] <fragtastic> This'll be fun
[21:49] <matjam> fragtastic: I'd just grab the budgie iso and write it to a usb stick and go from there, if I wanted to use budgie
[21:49] <matjam> fragtastic: let me know how you like it, I've been tempted.
[21:50] <fragtastic> I'm gonna at this point
[21:50] <fragtastic> I just saw it remove grub and other things...
[21:50] <matjam> yikes
[21:51] <Bashing-om> fragtastic: removing a DE is not an easy thing - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelubuntu - may point ya for what happens .
[21:51] <fragtastic> At this point I'm just seeing how long I can stay in the desktop before it finally tanks
[21:52] <matjam> fragtastic: god speed :D
[21:52] <fragtastic> Bashing-om, I'd open the link, but firefox and chromium are already removed
[21:53] <Bashing-om> fragtastic: Oh Fun !
[21:53] <SlidingHorn> fragtastic: lynx?
[21:53] <fragtastic> SlidingHorn, terminal(s) are gone too
[21:54] <SlidingHorn> well, then....have fun storming the castle!
[21:54] <matjam> its ok if you install usb-creator-gtk it will pull back in most of gnome
[21:54] <matjam> do it from a VT
[21:54] <IntelCore> bunzip -dk filneame.bzip2  ??
[21:55] <matjam> IntelCore: sorry?
[21:55] <R13ose> I use LVM, root is mounting read-only and I need instructions to help me with fsck and mounting it read-write again
[21:55] <IntelCore> bzip2 file tar.
[21:55] <IntelCore> un-bzip2?
[21:56] <matjam> IntelCore: whats your question?
[21:56] <IntelCore> terminal command for bzip2 file
[21:56] <matjam> what are you trying to do?
[21:56] <IntelCore> unzip it
[21:56] <matjam> unzip what?
[21:56] <matjam> a tar.bz2 file?
[21:56] <IntelCore> file.tar.bzip2
[21:56] <matjam> tar jxvf file.tar.bzip2
[21:57] <IntelCore> ty
[21:57] <matjam> j = bzip
[21:57] <genii> R13ose: You could probably also show the link here to the pastebin with the mount command output
[21:57] <yacc> Does anyone know if Ubuntu (16.04 or 18.04) supports HFP 1.6 (Bluetooth headset with high quality mic support)?
[21:57] <matjam> x = extract   v = verbose   f = file
[21:57] <u0_a132> h
[21:59] <R13ose> Here is the mount command output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6NM5cCN7Wv/
[21:59] <yacc> R13ose, consider #lvm
[22:00] <R13ose> Thanks yacc
[22:02] <IntelCore> seamonkey install was not clean, but it is there
[22:07] <R13ose> yacc: I asked a question to you in the other channel.
[22:10] <IntelCore> it extracted to the directory. now, I click on file, and.. nothing runs
[22:11] <IntelCore> home/user/seamonkey/seamonkey
[22:13] <Jordan_U> IntelCore: Why do you want to install SeaMonkey?
[22:14] <IntelCore> as web edit for html
[22:15] <IntelCore> aummm, has Compozer it does
[22:16] <IntelCore> that used to be similar in Mozilla Netscape
[22:20] <IntelCore> ah  ./seamonkey
[22:25] <IntelCore> erk, it didn't do..
[22:28] <IntelCore>  :(
[22:31] <xamithan> Why don't you just use the repo for seamonkey instead of putting it somewhere strange
[22:32] <Jordan_U> IntelCore: Compozer isn't maintained anymore. I recommend using a maintained editor like https://www.tinymce.com/ .
[22:32] <IntelCore> repo for seamonkey?
[22:33] <xamithan> Ubuntuzilla
[22:34] <oerheks> easy to find ..
[22:34] <oerheks> https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/how-to-install-seamonkey-on-ubuntu-16-04
[22:37] <IntelCore> ubuntu multiverse?
[22:40] <Jordan_U> IntelCore: I now see that tinymce seems to make web pages that require javascript, and while completely LGPL doesn't make it very clear how to use without paying for their cloud services. It may still be something you want to use, but I no longer think it's a replacement for Compozer.
[22:42] <Adran> its an embedded editor, its got source code, you don't need their cloud services
[22:42] <oerheks> libre office can edit too
[22:42] <doug16k> k10temp is giving nonsense reading on ryzen 2700X. It says temp1:       +119.1°C. is this a known issue?
[22:43] <oerheks> doug16k, yes, too new hardware
[22:43] <doug16k> thanks
[22:44] <oerheks> same with the kernel, 4.16 ..
[22:44] <oerheks> Linux 4.16.6 Brings Correct AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Temperature Monitoring https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.16.6-Released
[22:44] <doug16k> great!
[22:45] <IntelCore> have i386, right?
[22:46] <IntelCore> this install via terminal didn't work.
[22:47] <arsen> hi
[22:48] <arsen> hallo
[22:48] <arsen> gibt es jemand da?
[22:49] <meslem> sdcsdcscsdc
[22:49] <doug16k> 2700X normally runs super cool (it87 says 28C-32C typically). I'm running stress test now though (ox-kill-ryzen) and the script showed the impossibly high k10temp reading. it87 says CPU is at 60C.
[22:49] <meslem> a
[23:04] <IntelCore> sniff. didn't work
[23:04] <IntelCore> ty an8 wayz
[23:05] <IntelCore> buh bye
[23:18] <doug16k> oerheks, for now I can get corrected readings with this: watch 'echo $(($(cat /sys/module/k10temp/drivers/pci:k10temp/0000:00:18.3/hwmon/hwmon1/temp1_input) - 59000))'
[23:18] <doug16k> thanks for the link
[23:20] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:24] <Styil> yo, trying to make a program on 18.04, I get
[23:25] <Styil> gpu.cpp:12:10: fatal error: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: No such file or directory
[23:25] <Styil>  #include <X11/extensions/Xrandr.h>
[23:25] <doug16k> Styil, you probably need to install libxrandr-dev
[23:27] <matjam> Styil: fyi, that kind of question is probably better off asked in ##c++-general
[23:27] <Styil> doug16k, it worked, thanks
[23:27] <Styil> was wondering why I couldnt apt install xrandr
[23:27] <Styil> seems that was the wrong package
[23:28] <matjam> Styil: apt search xrandr, then look for something -dev, header files are in -dev packages.
[23:28] <doug16k> Styil, in general, you can figure out a needed package with something like: apt-file search Xrandr.h
[23:28] <Styil> thanks for the tip
[23:30] <yourname_> how do apps get releases to distros or added .. im wondering when eclipse and android studio will make it.
[23:32] <matjam> yourname_: eclipse is in the universe repositories.
[23:34] <matjam> yourname_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[23:35] <yourname_> matjam: it is in there but does not run.. i heard there was a bug..also i think it has something to do with java
[23:36] <matjam> You'd have to take it up with the maintainers
[23:38] <matjam> yourname_: go click the "this bug affects me" button : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/1754886
[23:38] <yourname_> matjam: yea thats my problem.. thank you :)
[23:42] <matjam> yourname_: could could also search to see if there are any PPAs available that might work. https://launchpad.net/~mmk2410/+archive/ubuntu/eclipse-ide-java might work for you, but it's unsupported in this channel.
[23:43] <oerheks> hmmm ... OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option MaxPermSize=256m; support was removed in 8.0 .. When using Java 1.8 you have to replace -XX:MaxPermSize with -XX:MaxMetaspaceSize.
[23:43] <oerheks> old tread, https://github.com/ervandew/eclim/issues/431 last post
[23:43] <yourname_> matjam: i couldnt find any ppas but using a snapd package and have a source install aswell but there is nothing like the comfort
[23:44] <yourname_> of a deb
[23:44] <matjam> try the PPA I linked.
[23:45] <yourname_> matjam: no way.. i looked forever ty :)