[00:00] <jcuba89> i dont understand
[00:00] <wxl> could you send me a screenshot?
[00:00] <jcuba89> dont know how
[00:00] <wxl> open the terminal
[00:00] <jcuba89> just tell me what to do
[00:00] <jcuba89> ok
[00:00] <wxl> type scrot and hit enter
[00:01] <wxl> then open a browser and go to share.riseup.net
[00:01] <wxl> click the upload button
[00:01] <wxl> navigate to your home folder and click on the file named something like 2018-05-01-1800419_800x600_scrot.png
[00:02] <wxl> when it's uploaded copy the url
[00:02] <wxl> then paste it here
[00:02] <jcuba89> forget it, thank you anyway
[00:03] <wxl> you figured it out?
[00:03] <jcuba89> no
[00:03] <wxl> then what's wrong?
[00:03] <jcuba89> what you told me
[00:03] <wxl> what do you mean?
[00:03] <jcuba89> is just too hard
[00:03] <wxl> which part is too hard?
[00:03] <jcuba89> Im new in lubuntu
[00:03] <wxl> so maybe getting to the terminal is the hard part for you
[00:03] <wxl> ok let's start over
[00:03] <jcuba89> all of it
[00:04] <jcuba89> ok
[00:04] <wxl> can you find the print screen key on your keyboard?
[00:04] <jcuba89> How can i see every window im using?
[00:04] <wxl> there's not a thing like fancy bloated desktop environments have that allow you to do that per se
[00:05] <wxl> oh hey i have an idea. let's do this in reverse
[00:05] <jcuba89> ????????????????
[00:05] <wxl> one second
[00:05] <jcuba89> ..............
[00:06] <tsimonq2> !patience
[00:06] <wxl> here's a screen shot of my desktop
[00:06] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#wOMCa13g_vKRIFQTLfMv7w
[00:06] <wxl> do you see the section at the bottom? where the lxde logo is and the icons and the time? do you have that on your system?
[00:07] <wxl> maybe i should take a less confusing picture. this is in a virtual machine :/
[00:07] <wxl> there https://share.riseup.net/#oG9Q7GGF95nTjS3hqZUo1A
[00:08] <wxl> look below the wallpaper. there's a "panel" there. do you have one on your desktop?
[00:08] <jcuba89> i do
[00:08] <wxl> good
[00:09] <wxl> do you have any active windows open right now that you know of?
[00:09] <jcuba89> i do
[00:09] <wxl> good
[00:09] <wxl> do you see them listed in between the icon that looks like a map and the icon that looks like a window?
[00:09] <jcuba89> no
[00:09] <wxl> ok
[00:10] <wxl> then you might have deleted the part of the panel that shows them by accident
[00:10] <jcuba89> maybe
[00:10] <jcuba89> what can i do?
[00:10] <wxl> right click on an empty part of the panel
[00:10] <wxl> a grey part
[00:10] <wxl> one of the options is "add/remove panel items." click it.
[00:11] <jcuba89> ...
[00:11] <wxl> that will pop open a windows called "panel preferences"
[00:11] <wxl> it will be already on the "panel applets" tab
[00:11] <wxl> click the add button
[00:12] <wxl> you should already have selected the "application launch and task bar" but if not, click on that and hit add
[00:12] <wxl> it will show up on the right side of the panel
[00:13] <wxl> if you don't like that (i don't), you can click on the "application launch and task bar" in the "currently loaded plugins" list and then hit the "up" and "down" buttons until you get it where you like
[00:13] <wxl> then hit close
[00:13] <jcuba89> yes!
[00:13] <jcuba89> thank you!
[00:13] <wxl> no problem
[00:13] <wxl> just so we're clear: you accidentially removed that
[00:13] <jcuba89> it appears so
[00:14] <wxl> if you right click on the empty space in that "application launch and task bar" you can see one of the options is "remove application launch and task bar from panel"
[00:14] <wxl> don't hit that :)
[00:14] <jcuba89> thanks again
[00:14] <wxl> no prob
[00:14] <wxl> be well
[14:53] <stelladew> none of the macdesktop downloads are working?  any help appreciated.
 @stelladew, Lubuntu.me?
[15:06] <stelladew> requested url not found
[15:41] <mpmc> tsimonq2: Is Cosmic usable?
[15:41] <mpmc> Does it need testing?
[16:30] <tsimonq2> mpmc: Give or take. Testing would be cool.
[16:30] <mpmc> tsimonq2: Well, I tested it on my C720, it kind of works, I just get a live session though.
[16:31] <mpmc> No option to install.
[16:31] <tsimonq2> Right, I need to mess with it a bit yet.
[16:32] <mpmc> tsimonq2: It works though, if a bit wonky in places =D
[16:33] <tsimonq2> mpmc: Could you do me a favor?
[16:33] <mpmc> tsimonq2: Depends on what it is.
[16:34] <tsimonq2> It'd be great to get someone to go through and nitpick everything, and write it all up intoo one reporr.
[16:34] <tsimonq2> -report
[16:34] <tsimonq2> grr (no spellcheck on mobile)
 Ah, this is better.
 But yeah, if you go through and note *everything* you see that's wrong or off, that would be absolutely excellent.
 (So we have a baseline.)
[16:37] <mpmc> tsimonq2: honestly, there isn't much, it's mainly just menu items, Qterminal is listed twice (Qterminal / Qterminal drop down), and some of the others are less descriptive, nm-tray, qps, htop etc, with a few minor duplicates.
 I will keep that in mind. Anything else? What about default settings?
[16:42] <mpmc> tsimonq2: Ack, found a small bug, going into the config center -> Appearances -> Clicking on bb10dark makes the config center vanish!
 OK.
[16:44] <mpmc> The item list stretches too.
[16:44] <mpmc> Other than that, it's looking good!
 OK.
 Sweet. Thanks!
[17:35] <wellick> hi, does anyone know if lubuntu comes with a virtual keyboard installed? I've installed it (lubuntu) but some of my keys don't work. But to install a virtual keyboard i need the keys to work so I can connect to the wi-fi. it's a conundrum. any ideas?
[17:37] <wxl> wellick: sadly, no. i don't think xvkbd is standard on anything
[17:38] <wellick> yes i've just checked, there's no virtual keyboard pre-installed on lubuntu. the problem is lubuntu's terminal also doesn't seem to let me past characters into it!
[17:38] <wellick> *paste
[17:41] <wxl> works fine here
[17:41] <diogenes_> wellick, right click and paste
[17:41] <wxl> ctrl+shift+v
[17:41] <wxl> ^^ or that
[17:41] <wxl> both work fine in 18.04
[17:41] <wellick> i tried all that
[17:41] <wxl> it's quite possible you haven't succeeded in copying
[17:41] <wellick> when I ctrl+V i get "^V" on the terminal
[17:42] <wxl> then you didn't try what i suggested, did you?
[17:42] <wxl> 1041 < wxl:#lubuntu> ctrl+shift+v
[17:42] <diogenes_> wellick, or just download the florence.deb, right click on it and install
[17:42] <wellick> ahh, it worked
[17:42] <wellick> nevermind :D
[17:44] <wxl> oh yeah florence too. missed that one.
[17:48] <wellick> "sudo apt-get install florence"?
[17:48] <wxl> yep
[17:48] <wxl> or xvkbd
[17:48] <wellick> "E: unable to locate package florence"
[17:48] <wellick> hm :/
[17:48] <wxl> sudo apt update first
[17:48] <diogenes_> yep, update then florence
[17:49] <diogenes_> another good one that i use, is onboard
[17:49] <diogenes_> highly customizable
[17:49] <wxl> ah couldn't find that one because i was searching for virtual
[17:50] <wellick> i gotta get my usb keyboard to work eventually. didn't work on ubuntu but i didn't troubleshoot.
[17:50] <wxl> seems to be included in several flavors
[18:07] <lyn||orian> yes onboard is nice it seems to work widely I was ssuprised when it worked in i3 tiling window manager
[20:16] <egy> In 16.04, I always cannot get back to my graphical display after locking my screen. Any ideas on where to look for the root cause ?
[20:17] <egy> systemctl status lightdm.service *used* to show one interesting line, but now it isn't
[20:18] <wxl> egy: nothing in the normal logs?
[20:21] <egy> wxl: ugh which logs do you mean ?
[20:22] <wxl> egy: you have lots of logs in /var/log. dmesg, syslog, Xorg.0.log are all good places to start.
[20:22] <egy> and btw, same thing applies for suspending my computer. I always have to go to a tty, systemctl restart lightdm and lost all work
[20:22] <egy> ok
[20:37] <egy> ok, I didn't complete my description: when I return back to tty7 (the graphical display), I get a plain blank screen and nothing else. I then switch to a tty and restart the service
[20:38] <egy> https://ghostbin.com/paste/e3unyess
[20:38] <egy> This is from lightdm.log. Does it tell you anything specific ? Password: lightdm
[20:39] <egy> The successful login messages are due to tty6
[20:39] <wxl> nope
[20:39] <wxl> and i wouldn't expect it to be very helpful in that regard
[20:39] <wxl> the issue is most likely something to do with the graphics driver
[20:39] <egy> Or X ?
[20:39] <egy> because it's a new thing
[20:40] <egy> I've been using lubuntu for >1year
[20:40] <wxl> regressions can be a thing
[20:40] <wxl> here's an example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1566302
[20:40] <wxl> note the title
[20:40] <wxl> an upgrade resulted in problematic behavior
[20:41] <egy> I see. Regressions indeed can be nasty
[20:41] <egy> Ok, I'll hope for the best for now
[20:41] <egy> thanks wxl
[20:42] <wxl> np good luck
[21:04] <wellick> thanks for the help a while ago. florence doesn't seem to work... i hit the characters and nothing happens on the screen. onboard does work though.