[05:14] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:18] <SlidingHorn> mornin lotuspsychje  :)
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> hey SlidingHorn how are you
[05:19] <SlidingHorn> not too bad, just got tipped off to a bunch of sites with free ebooks :)
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> ah cool
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> from reading to free music, do you know jamendo?
[05:21] <SlidingHorn> rings a bell
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> pretty nice copyrighted free music
[05:22] <SlidingHorn> oh yeah that's why I remembered it...
[05:22] <SlidingHorn> there's also a nice YouTube channel with over 700 pieces of free music
[05:22] <SlidingHorn> Audio Library
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> neat
[05:42] <EriC^> morning all
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> how are you mate
[05:43] <EriC^> hey lotuspsychje
[05:43] <EriC^> great you?
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> fine, bit tired from amsterdam weekend :p
[05:45] <EriC^> nice :D
[05:46] <ducasse> good morning
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[05:47] <EriC^> morning ducasse , how's it going?
[05:49] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje, EriC^ - fine here thanks, how are you?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> fine here ducasse on the coffee :p
[05:51] <EriC^> great thanks
[05:56] <ducasse> any plans for the day, guys?
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> breakfast now and working day here :p
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> you got plans ducasse ?
[05:59] <ducasse> not until tonight, invited to a friend's house for dinner
[06:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:04] <EriC^> morning lordievader
[06:05] <lordievader> Hey EriC^
[06:05] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:05] <EriC^^> great thanks yourself?
[06:07] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well?
[06:07] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[06:12] <jink> 'sup, n00bs?
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast
[06:14] <ducasse> enjoy, lotuspsychje :)
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> https://www.deviantart.com/art/Lubuntu-18-04-turned-into-Windows-95-744039600
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> it does bring back weird memorys
[07:23] <ducasse> that was a long time ago
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> http://www.iflscience.com/technology/smart-city-china-controlled-artificial-intelligence/
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> saw a docu on this recently, its crazy
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/china-has-highest-number-of-smart-city-pilot-projects-report/articleshow/62998738.cms
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> 500 smart city projects comming up
[07:32] <ducasse> maybe they can also do something about human rights and leave tibet alone...
[07:32] <ducasse> :P
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: you skared him away :p
[07:51] <guiverc> not the first time either :(
[07:51] <JimBuntu> good job guiverc , I was about to ask them a question... no TAB auto-complete... :-(
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:58] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - all well today?
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, yeah, ok here. How about you?
[11:03] <ducasse> all good, thanks. just about to make lunch.
[11:04] <BluesKaj> right
[11:16] <BluesKaj> another idiot in #ubuntu with a stupid sexually suggestive nick,  funny or not, i think that shouldn't be allowed , call it censorship if you want, but in this I think it applies
[11:17] <BluesKaj> oops not  #ubuntu , ##linux
[11:18] <JimBuntu> I, I saw that. It's not even suggestive, it's beyond that
[11:18] <BluesKaj> thank goodness they k-lined him
[11:19] <BluesKaj> or her , who knows
[11:19] <JimBuntu> I have all the extra notifications turned off, didn't see that they did... whoever will no doubt be back
[11:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[11:19] <JimBuntu> 'Morning to you too BluesKaj
[11:24] <BluesKaj> yeah, I have hide nick joins/parts except watched nicks and those active within the last 24hrs...helps keep the page clean and readable
[11:26] <JimBuntu> I started thinking about looking for a more scriptable IRC client the other day. There *should* be one that let's me really drill down with filters.
[11:26] <JimBuntu> I started up my bouncer about a week ago, but haven't gotten around to really messing with it yet
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Konversation has always been my favourite , tried lots of others including hexchat, quassel and the shells like irssi and weechat etc, but I always return to good ol' Konversation.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> irssi is handy when the desktop won't load due to issues of some kind
[11:35] <JimBuntu> I'm going to check out Konversation. I normally use X-Chat, but have a few others installed.
[11:36] <JimBuntu> I may look into Python IRC libraries, as it shouldn't be hard to interact with IRC... then I can have the GUI display whatever I want.
[11:40] <BluesKaj> think Konversation comes with a lot of KDE "baggage" , read kde dependencies
[14:55] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: about 9.9.9.10, you say it is "not recommended for full time use". can you rewfer to some official statement on this?
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> Quad 9 goal is to provide secure, private, highly available DNS services via the 9.9.9.9 address. 9.9.9.10 is their unsecured address which is only a DNS resolver, it does not block malicious sites, offer dnssec, or any of the other features of Quad 9
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> https://www.quad9.net/faq/
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> Unsecured IP: 9.9.9.10 Provides: No security blocklist, DNSSEC, sends EDNS Client-Subnet. If your DNS software requires a Secondary IP address, please use the unsecured secondary address of 149.112.112.10
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> Secure IP: 9.9.9.9 Provides: Security blocklist, DNSSEC, No EDNS Client-Subnet sent. If your DNS software requires a Secondary IP address, please use the secure secondary address of 149.112.112.112
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> The recommend using the Unsecured IP for troubleshooting their Secured IP services for false positives
[15:02] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: personally i prefer the raw beast. i don't like to promote the use of a filter bubbles by default.
[15:03] <tomreyn> i do see how using 9.9.9.9 rather than 9.9.9.10 can be useful for others, but i still think they should be made aware of these filters before they are pointed to the filtered variant.
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> I agree... If it were me, I'd suggest google dns by default then
[15:04] <tomreyn> well not i, since i think privacy matters, too
[15:04] <tomreyn> and that google is way too large
[15:09] <JimBuntu> aw, no fair ;-)
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> opendns?
[15:09] <JimBuntu> being knows as |
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> oh, it was going to be shortlived... I got a stern message from nickserv
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> can anyone tell me how to verify that someone is running true ubuntu and not some unspoorted dirivative
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> I think we're being phished by codercat
[15:14] <BluesKaj> cloudflare 1.1.1.1 seems to be fastest to resolve DNS globally, no restrictions on malicious sites tho, https://medium.com/@nykolas.z/dns-resolvers-performance-compared-cloudflare-x-google-x-quad9-x-opendns-149e803734e5
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj: cloudflare is also doing some filtering, it's minimal though. Most of these global DNS providers are filtering to some degree. Some in response to attacks, some just to reduce the propagation of malicious software
[15:19] <BluesKaj> well. tha's probly a good thing, judicious surfing is a "matter of taste" and what the resolvers definition is of family friendly sites etc
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> I've been using OpenDNS for many years now, with their utitilty to offer enhanced filtering for my network, and my parents. Since making that decision, I get a lot less frantic phones calls when Mom's computer goes AWOL, rarely see malware on their computers. In both locations I have some categories blocked (my network blocks parked domains; theirs, adult themed sites because of grandkids visiting)
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> I don't like filtering my parents internet, I feel bad for doing it. They are aware of the filters though and agree to keep them. Only once and a while do I get a question about why a site mysteriously stopped working, and I just whitelist it in their profile
[15:26] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, don't trust `lsb_release -a` ?
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know what part of it to request from a user to make sure I get the actual flavor
[15:27] <BluesKaj> I've been the only user on my network except for my adult kids and my grown grandchildren (I'm old), so I'm lucky not to concern myself about "adult sites" . I never use them anyway.
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> they kept talking about libuntu (some esoteric derived copy of ubuntu) but I wanted to make sure it was a typo before telling them they couldn't be helped
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> The grandkids don't go looking for it... The oldest goes in search of poetry and artwork and ends up in some sketchy parts of the web, were an advert has an adult ad which gets their curiosity
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> the grandkids haven't learned that anything past the first page of google results is best not looked at
[15:30] <BluesKaj> unfortunately I'm a widower now and my wife was intelligent and knowledgeable enough to be careful on W7 when surfing the 'net
[15:31] <pauljw> hi everyone
[15:32] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[15:32] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> for us it's a delacate topic for my sibling to start talking to their kids about these topics... We haven't figured out a tactful approach to broach the subject
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> hello pauljw
[15:32] <pauljw> hi pragmaticenigma
[15:36] <tomreyn> re "true ubuntu", "lsb_release -ds", but this can be easily falsified, and what really tells you what they have is actually apt-cache policy (if run after "sudo apt update")
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: wouldn't that just tell me what version by friendly name like trusty, xienal, bionic ??
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> I guess the _CODENAME value
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> truely anything can be falsified... And if you know how to ask in the first place, no one would be the wiser anyways
[16:08] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: there's also /var/log/installer/lsb-release
[16:08] <tomreyn> which tells you what the lsb_release for the installer was
[16:08] <tomreyn> or /var/log/installer/media-info rather
[16:09] <tomreyn> (that's what apport uses)
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> crap.. they made themselves sound so knowledgable... and then don't know how to boot with nomodeset
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> :-(
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> I don't remember how to do it
[16:27] <daftykins> used to be holding shift at boot time to stall GRUB, buuuut that was a long time ago :>
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know what 18.04 boot even looks like
[16:28] <JimBuntu> hold shift during boot, edit the kernel settings, place nomodeset after the root's drive declaration
[16:28] <daftykins> so far in my tests it's looked very blank :)
[16:28] <JimBuntu> Oh, I also don't know if it's diff in 18.04
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> blind leading blind
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> haha
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> google results for me talk about modifying the grub config file... which is hard to do when you can't get into ubuntu
[16:31] <leftyfb> live cd
[16:32] <daftykins> that's a mistake, you don't set it permanently when you don't know if it's going to help yet
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> right
[16:34] <daftykins> goodness me though, 2018 and still nomodeset hassles? YOLD!
[16:36] <JimBuntu> you can edit the kernel config from grub though, can't get into the grub menu?
[16:36] <JimBuntu> ir did they take that away with 18.04
[16:37] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins, some users are having them
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> turns out that the issue is nvidia drivers not liking wayland... no surprise there
[16:39] <daftykins> indeed
[16:39] <daftykins> real surprise is why people are so impatient to use the damn thing
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> add to that everyone saying go to tty1... which is no more in 18.04
[16:42] <daftykins> heh i'm embarassed to admit i was pressing ctrl+alt+F1 a few times before i realised xD
[16:42] <JimBuntu> tty1 is on CTRL+ALT+F7 now, isn't it?
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> or as it should be labeled tty7
[16:44] <daftykins> on the 18.04 test install i have, i didn't appear to have a 1 - only 2 through 6
[16:44] <daftykins> then X was on 1
[16:44] <daftykins> (i suppose)
[16:44] <JimBuntu> is it though? I didn't realise the key-mapping needed to be tied to the tty, explicitly, would make sense though
[16:45] <JimBuntu> interesting, a lot of changes were slapped into 18.04... I wonder how much will be reverted in the point release
[16:45] <daftykins> xD
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:45] <JimBuntu> "oops, sorry peeps, we didn't mean to mess with tty1 and display manager output"
[16:45] <daftykins> o/
[16:45] <JimBuntu> hiya lotuspsychje
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> hey JimBuntu daftykins
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> you guys had a nice day?
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: None, moving X to virt 1 is standard across all other distros... Ubuntu is late to the party
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> CentOS, RedHat have been doing it since 6.x release which is 8 years old
[16:48] <JimBuntu> I'm having a nice day, T-4h
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: Wayland support for Nvidia isn't stable enough for mainstream use yet. Things might be promissing , but I wouldn't be recommending it anytime soon
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: that doesnt mean a system cant tryout wayland properly right?
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> let's put it this way... no
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> haha
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: apt-cache search wayland gives nvidia-driver-390
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> If you have a machine to play with , sure have at it... most of the people in channel are trying to get their main daily driver rigs up and running.
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah agree on that
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> perhaps on .1 ?
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> not even then... I will not move to wayland until all the things I can do with X are carried over.
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> Wayland largest defect is it does not support user privelage escalation. Meaning you cannot run GUI apps under a substitute user
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats bad indeed
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> if that aint fixxed, no point yet to make the switch
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> exactly... I like many of the coming features of wayland, but they are missing some major legacy features
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> hey krytarik
[16:59] <krytarik> Hellooo.
[17:00] <daftykins> o/
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> oh no... krytarik is here... everyone act cool :-P
[17:13] <krytarik> :D
[17:16] <BluesKaj> i don't need to act cool...I am :-)
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> turn up the heat then BluesKaj
[17:18] <BluesKaj> temperature has nothing to do with it
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:32] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> heya BluesKaj all well on your side of the world?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, everything seems normal...chaos as usual in the US, but here it's a nice day, but we still have a silly gov't  :-)
[17:37] <BluesKaj> going to try one of those ethernet over house wiring adapters
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: devolo style?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> tp-link
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:42] <BluesKaj> a friend uses one in his garage /studio due to poor wifi reception from his regular router
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> i got devolo and its pretty neat
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> i use it when updating customer boxes over eth
[17:43]  * BluesKaj nods
[17:45] <BluesKaj> looks good as well
[17:51] <BluesKaj> don't have poor wifi, but moved a pc to my den that needs ethernet (no wifi nic) so that seems like an easy solution
[17:56] <daftykins> there are plenty of TP-Link ones
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> hmm bionic removed aptoncd?
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> !info aptoncd xenial
[18:23] <kostkon> !info aptoncd bionic
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om SlidingHorn
[18:28] <SlidingHorn> hey how's it going?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> great
[18:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :) .. Good to read ya - still here .. what's the session like ?
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> up and off irc Bashing-om so idle/support for me
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> thats some nice simultaneous idling :p
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> tv time guys
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1
[23:32] <SlidingHorn> trolling hour has arrived, apparently
[23:32] <oerheks> *hips*
[23:33] <oerheks> maybe update, baby!
[23:33] <oerheks> :-D