[00:09] <cluelessperson> when I attempt to open some things, like mp3 or mp4 from nautilus, I'm unable to play them
[00:09] <cluelessperson> but I can play them from terminal
[00:09] <cluelessperson> and images open fine
[00:09] <cluelessperson> any thoughts?
[00:20] <Tri> Hey guys
[00:20] <Tri> I'm here because I keep having to disconnect and reconnect to my wifi for it to work, and I took a look at dmesg and it gave me these repetitive "failed to remove key from hardware" messages that I think are the underlying reason as to why I have to keep reconnecting
[00:20] <slackin> holy cow.... I have an ubuntu server and the /boot is full so it can't perform an upgrade. I delete all except the newest and current kernel/initramfs/config/etc files and when it goes to do upgrade it starts creating initramfs's for all the previous kernels all over again. I tried to apt-get purge the old kernels but it won't remove them because of unresolved dependacies with the new kernel......
[00:22] <slackin> I've been fighting this for a little bit now, and I'm not a linux noob but I don't use ubuntu that much except on my server and I don't understand why it's creating initramfs's for kernels that aren't in use and aren't going to be used. Why can I not uninstall the old kernels? why do I have to resolve dependancies before unistalling something that is unneeded?
[00:22] <slackin> can I force it to uninstall/purge a package without resolving newer dependancies?
[00:23] <cluelessperson> Webm s open fine
[00:23] <cluelessperson> slackin:    apt-get autoremove
[00:23] <Bashing-om> slackin: As you are already dirty - this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2174867 maybe the dirty fix .
[00:23] <cluelessperson> slackin:  should uninstall all the old kernel images
[00:23] <slackin> cluelessperson, LMFAO, THANK YOU!
[00:25] <slackin> cluelessperson, I've been trying to get this cleaned up for over an hour now. Can't believe it was that simple.
[00:27] <nacc> slackin: and, iirc, apt-get tells you this every time you use it
[00:27] <slackin> nacc, not that I saw of
[00:28] <slackin> it kept saying "apt-get -f install"
[00:28] <cluelessperson> slackin: Well, you install things like,    apt-get install
[00:28] <cluelessperson> slackin:   so, upgrades to your kernel install over the old one, basically, but it keeps the old ones installed
[00:28] <slackin> cluelessperson, yeah, I know, I tried clean, autoclean, purge
[00:28] <slackin> didn't even think about autoremove
[00:28] <cluelessperson> slackin: clean removes cached packages that aren't installed
[00:29] <slackin> I'm an old slackware man turned in to a gentoo junkie, sometimes in ubuntu i get a little lost ;)
[00:29] <cluelessperson> slackin: That's fine. :P
[00:29] <cluelessperson> slackin: also,   dpkg -l   will list installed packages
[00:29] <slackin> cluelessperson, yeah, I knew that part at least, and I tried purging them by hand with the full package name but kept saying no because of dependancies
[00:30] <cluelessperson> webm, mkv, images play fine
[00:30] <cluelessperson> mp3, mp4 do not
[00:31] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: does not play on any player?
[00:35] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs: mp3s open with Rhythymbox but not VLC
[00:36] <cluelessperson> vlc can open from terminal
[00:37] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: where did you get vlc from?
[00:38] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: the first player uses gstreamer, yeah? and vlc has its own codec
[00:38] <yourname_> cluelessperson: do u have the restricted drivers for mp3 and also check see if vlc audio output is the same as rythmboxs
[00:40] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs: snap
[00:40] <cluelessperson> yourname_: audio output is the same?
[00:40] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs: yourname_  it's not a codec issue, it's likely a nautilus, samba issue
[00:41] <cluelessperson> maybe in how it seems the mounted CIFS folders
[00:41] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs: yourname_   For example.  If I navigate from within VLC to    /mnt/torrents/    the mounted directory appears blank
[00:49] <LuMint> i'm trying to run a program from a different user
[00:49] <LuMint> with gksudo
[00:49] <LuMint> that's what I'm getting: (gksu:31722): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localmachine:0.0
[00:49] <Climber> Climber
[00:49] <LuMint> does anybody know how to fix this?
[00:51] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: so its not a mp3 issue, yes?
[00:51] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs: no
[00:51] <WoC> LuMint, the error msg says gksu not gksudo
[00:52] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs: something about how different programs can read CIFS mounts or not
[00:52] <LuMint> oh, right
[00:52] <LuMint> it was gksu
[00:52] <cluelessperson> in the past I could play vlc off CIFS stuff fine
[00:52] <cluelessperson> so I don't know what this is
[00:52] <LuMint> WoC:  and whenever I do xhost + or xhost + localhost, i'm getting  this "xhost:  unable to open display "localmachine:0.0""
[00:52] <WoC> LuMint, did you ssh to that ?
[00:52] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs:  VLC is unable to open the MRL 'file:///mnt/archive/personal/hobbies/BITCOIN/ELECTRUM/MALWARE%20-%20ELECTRUMPRO/session_4/session_4_evidence.mkv'.
[00:52] <LuMint> WoC: no
[00:53] <LuMint> WoC: it all happens on my local machine. I just need to run an X program from a different user
[00:53] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: that a mp3?
[00:53] <WoC> and DISPLAY is showing 0.0 ?
[00:54] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs: no, that's an mkv
[00:54] <LuMint> now I can't start any programs from the command line
[00:54] <LuMint> not even from the current user
[00:55] <LuMint> says "cannot open display: unset"
[00:55] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: i guess first you need to get the networking side of the equation figured out
[00:55] <WoC> LuMint, open new terminal
[00:56] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: how does vlc play network shares? copies the the to some temp folder or direct play?
[00:56] <LuMint> WoC: thanks, it helped.
[00:56] <WoC> np
[00:56] <RoadRunner> Having problems with a vid card mirroring video to TV through HDMI  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KBWdjkxxrz/
[00:57] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs:    The network shares are mounted with CIFS,  to VLC they "should" appear as normal local filesystem
[00:58] <cluelessperson> albeit with a bit of network latency
[00:59] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: i am clueless to cifs/samba, test vlc with local file for codec issues
[00:59] <fragtastic-temp> Having trouble formatting a usb drive
[00:59] <fragtastic-temp> got the ubuntu budgie 18.04 livecd
[00:59] <WoC> RoadRunner, i would say most likely due to the AMD linux video driver
[00:59] <fragtastic-temp> mkfs.ext4 just hangs forever on writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information
[01:00] <oerheks> make your live iso with fat32, not ext4
[01:00] <cluelessperson> Two_Dogs: it's not a codec issue.  I can copy the files locally and they play fine
[01:00] <WoC> RoadRunner, try #radeon
[01:00] <fragtastic-temp> oerheks: i'm running from the livecd not trying to write it, my bad
[01:01] <oerheks> oh oke
[01:01] <WoC> RoadRunner, check dmesg for any related err msgs
[01:01] <fragtastic-temp> it's a USB3 256GB flash drive from PNY, just bought it
[01:02] <fragtastic-temp> mkfs.ntfs takes seconds and it read/writes fine
[01:02] <fragtastic-temp> pushed files to and from it, but just ext4 stops responding to ^C during that part
[01:02] <RoadRunner> WoC: is #radeon dealing specificaly with the AMD linux video driver?
[01:03] <WoC> RoadRunner, anything related to radeon, so yes
[01:04] <RoadRunner> WoC: where in the system would I find "dmesg"?
[01:04] <Two_Dogs> cluelessperson: theres a thought, tried #samba for assist?
[01:04] <WoC> RoadRunner, type dmesg in a terminal
[01:04] <Two_Dogs> seems like a samba issue
[01:11] <LuMint> I blocked ICMP requests following some stupid guides, now I have reenabled it in iptables
[01:11] <LuMint> but ping is not working
[01:11] <pavlos> Two_Dogs: I mounted my repo (sudo mount //server/repo /media) then use VLC to Open File /media, found a movie and play
[01:11] <LuMint> how do I fix that/
[01:11] <LuMint> ?
[01:14] <RoadRunner> WoC: are the messages in this buffer reset at each boot? and what type of message to look for?
[01:15] <pavlos> LuMint: the --icmp-type should be 8
[01:17] <pragmaticenigma> LuMint: what guides, if they did things correctly should be fairly straight forward to reverse
[01:17] <LuMint> yeah, got it.
[01:17] <fragtastic-temp> pretty sure this is a problem with mkfs.ext4 now
[01:18] <fragtastic-temp> during the wipe it's pushing 100MB/s
[01:18] <fragtastic-temp> once it goes into writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information it just stops
[01:43] <RoadRunner> are error messages in dmesg highlighted in bold white?
[01:43] <slackin> RoadRunner, not necissarily
[01:48] <RoadRunner> can't seem to send tos #radeon channel; does it need some kind of special subscription?
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> RoadRunner: You may need to register your nick for access to that channel
[01:50] <RoadRunner> pragmaticenigma: wonder why they care about that?
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> reduce spam RoadRunner
[01:51] <RoadRunner> ok
[01:52] <fragtastic-temp> Still not sure what's going on with this flash drive
[01:53] <fragtastic-temp> Tried on a windows machine too and it does ntfs fine
[01:54] <fragtastic-temp> trying to format ext4 just doesn't work
[01:54] <slackin> did you partition it first?
[01:54] <slackin> not that you *have* to, but might help
[01:54] <slackin> start with a fresh table
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> fragtastic-temp: if you have a windows machine, why not follow the instructions for making a bootable drive on windows using rufus
[01:54] <slackin> ^^]
[01:54] <fragtastic-temp> pragmaticenigma: i'm not trying to make a bootable drive
[01:54] <fragtastic-temp> i'm trying to format it to ext4
[01:55] <pragmaticenigma> try ext2
[01:55] <fragtastic-temp> i'm running from a livecd
[01:56] <pragmaticenigma> fragtastic-temp: I'd try ext2... also, I think the "disks" utility should be available in the livecd... that might be able to do it
[01:57] <fragtastic-temp> tried disks too
[01:57] <pragmaticenigma> is there a particular reason for using ext4?
[01:58] <slackin> fragtastic-temp, you sure you are using the correct device?
[01:58] <fragtastic-temp> not really, just used to using ext4 and trying to figure out why it doesn't work
[01:58] <slackin> maybe you are trying to format the live cd?
[01:58] <fragtastic-temp> slackin: yes, i'm sure i have my flash drive selected
[01:58] <slackin> just checkin' ;)
[01:58] <slackin> fragtastic-temp, does it give an error?
[01:59] <slackin> or just say ok and then not actually work
[01:59] <fragtastic-temp> with ext4 no, it just says
[01:59] <fragtastic-temp> "writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information:"
[01:59] <fragtastic-temp> and then doesn't respond to ^C or kill -9
[01:59] <slackin> how long do you wait?
[01:59] <fragtastic-temp> 10 minutes
[02:00] <slackin> wait longer
[02:00] <slackin> possibly
[02:00] <slackin> depending on speed of drive
[02:00] <fragtastic-temp> USB3
[02:00] <slackin> could actually take longer
[02:00] <fragtastic-temp> 100MB/s easy
[02:00] <RoadRunner> guys, I am having a video related problem  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KBWdjkxxrz/ . As I am no expert, could you look through my dmesg log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cryZ783Nys/ to see any related errors?
[02:00] <slackin> is it preforming at usb3 speeds in linux though?
[02:00] <fragtastic-temp> yes, when i format to NTFS which takes 5 seconds
[02:01] <slackin> fragtastic-temp, o, you are formatting ntfs in linux?
[02:01] <fragtastic-temp> i'm trying to do ext4
[02:01] <fragtastic-temp> i tested ntfs to make sure it actually works
[02:01] <slackin> fragtastic-temp, you tested ntfs in linux though, not windows?
[02:01] <fragtastic-temp> i tested on a windows machine too
[02:02] <fragtastic-temp> ~100MB/s
[02:02] <fragtastic-temp> writing, reading was faster
[02:02] <slackin> have you tried ext2 or 3?
[02:02] <fragtastic-temp> ext2 has been running since pragmaticenigma suggested it
[02:02] <pragmaticenigma> RoadRunner: The PSU could be very much failing, and the card doesn't have enough power to drive both display outputs. TVs are also notoriously fussy about the image they're given. It's possible the TV doesn't like the signal from the GPU
[02:03] <fragtastic-temp> Writing inode tables:  495/1845
[02:03] <pragmaticenigma> has it gotten that far before fragtastic-temp ?
[02:03] <slackin> fragtastic-temp, and its contining to update?
[02:03] <fragtastic-temp> i haven't tried ext2 before
[02:03] <fragtastic-temp> ext4 just stopped displaying and responding after "writing superblocks"
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> fragtastic-temp: it is possible that the drive hardware isn't compatible with something involved with ext4... ext4 is really meant for an internal type drive, not removable media.
[02:05] <fragtastic-temp> ext2 so far was fast up until inode table # 430 now it's painfully slow
[02:05] <RoadRunner> pragmaticenigma: just bought that gpu, so its important for me to rule it out as a cause quickly (while I can still return it...)
[02:05] <fragtastic-temp> pragmaticenigma: any suggestion on what i should format it to?
[02:05] <fragtastic-temp> If it makes a difference it's a 256GB pny usb3 flash drive, just bought it
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> RoadRunner: the PSU is what I'm concerned with... If you go for only display to the TV, no mirror and don't experience issues, it's something then with the configuration, not the card
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> fragtastic-temp: I leave all my portable drives in NTFS or exFAT... both are then readable by Linux and Windows machines, the latter can also be read by MacOS... giving you a better chance at data recovery down the road
[02:07] <fragtastic-temp> pragmaticenigma: i kinda need linux uid:gid so NTFS and exFAT are out
[02:07] <fragtastic-temp> since i'm trying to backup my laptop
[02:07] <fragtastic-temp> which is formatted ext4
[02:08] <pragmaticenigma> fragtastic-temp: that's also a reason I don't format with linux based format... when I recover backups.. .I don't want the UID:GID kept as the next machine may not match and I'd have to chown them
[02:09] <RoadRunner> pragmaticenigma: to do as you suggested, is it enough to just "disable" the comp monitor or disconnect it physically?
[02:09] <pragmaticenigma> I'd disconnect physcally to rule it out
[02:10] <RoadRunner> I'll try it, thanks :)
[02:10] <pragmaticenigma> I've gotta sign off for the evening, take care everyone
[02:14] <fragtastic-temp> i'm fine with uid:gid because the first user usually has the same ID across fresh installs of ubuntu
[02:16] <fragtastic-temp> mkfs.xfs took seconds and works
[02:17] <fragtastic-temp> i guess i'll just assume that this drive doesn't like ext at all
[02:17] <fragtastic-temp> successfully wrote 1GB of files to it in a few seconds too
[02:19] <crimson_king> Fn + Page Down works, Fn + Page Up doesn't - I'm on a laptop. Would appreciate help
[02:25] <r00tk13h0uston> ##C
[02:25] <r00tk13h0uston> quit
[02:29] <jordan4ibanez> Hello, I'm getting a severe apt error on 16.04 amd64
[02:29] <jordan4ibanez> When I run sudo apt (or apt-get or aptitude) update I get https://pastebin.com/raw/3pBuKUyi
[02:30] <SlidingHorn> crimson_king: what version & flavor OS are you running, and what are you expecting "Fn + PageUp/Down" to do?
[02:34] <SlidingHorn> jordan4ibanez:   sudo apt install --reinstall libappstream3     then try again
[02:35] <oerheks> remove appstreamcli, or install from backports, sudo apt install appstream/xenial-backports
[02:37] <crimson_king> SlidingHorn: Kubuntu 18.04 - I expect Page Up to, for example, move an object higher in Inkscape, or to scroll faster upwards. Instead, it behaves like a normal up arrow
[02:39] <crimson_king> SlidingHorn: on another laptop, I got this fixed by writing a custom hwdb file. I have to adapt it to this one.
[02:40] <crimson_king> SlidingHorn: yeah, I'll try that first. Sorry
[03:08] <crimson_king> My page up works now... fixed with a custom hwdb
[03:13] <swift110> hey
[03:19] <Kon-> For a week I've noticed I'm getting consistently 40-60% of my normal download speed in 18.04. I'm getting normal speeds in Windows 7 and previously in 17.10 on the same machine
[03:20] <Kon-> This is a very strange issue but I'm thinking it might have something to do with systemd-resolved?
[03:20] <Kon-> How can I go about troubleshooting this issue?
[03:32] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: do via terminal> systemctl status *resolv*
[03:32] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: anything show?
[03:34] <Kon-> Two_Dogs: Yes, it's running
[03:34] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: did you change dns server?
[03:35] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: anything show? any complaints shown?
[03:35] <Kon-> I think it's complaining that I'm using UDP for the local network
[03:35] <Kon-> Other than that, nothing seems like a warning
[03:36] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: did you tweak resolv from the systemd default installed resolv setting/s?
[03:37] <Kon-> resolv.conf?
[03:37] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: thats one, sure, any! tweaks?
[03:37] <Kon-> I had previously installed dnscrypt-proxy and was trying to use that instead of systemd-resolved, but I gave up because the setup changed significantly in the new version and their tutorial was written for 17.10
[03:38] <Kon-> I've since purged dnscrypt-proxy after stopping the service, checked dnsmasq.d, restarted both systemd-resolved and network-manager
[03:40] <Kon-> resolv.conf has the nameserver set to what I believe is default for systemd-resolved
[03:40] <Kon-> I no longer even have /etc/dnsmasq.d after purging dnscrypt-proxy
[03:40] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: what dns server you have enabled?
[03:41] <Kon-> 127.0.0.53
[03:41] <Kon-> Which appears to work
[03:42] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: there was a writeup recently about systemd-resolve, i have not delved into it
[03:42] <Kon-> tbh I think it's harder to change DNS server on Ubuntu than any other distro. In this case, I've failed to do that and in fact gimped my internet speed somehow
[03:43] <Kon-> Imo, this shouldn't even be possible
[03:43] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: via networkmanager config you can change dns server, yes?
[03:44] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: changing DNS server on ubuntu is the same way as any other distro.
[03:45] <Kon-> Two_Dogs: I believe so, but I think it is also overwritten on boot by systemd-resolved
[03:46] <Kon-> And re: networkmanager.conf, is it normal to have "managed=false" under [ifupdown]?
[03:46] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: this might help:  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128220/how-do-i-set-my-dns-when-resolv-conf-is-being-overwritten
[03:46] <Kon-> SlidingHorn: At this point I've given in and accepted the systemd-resolved defaults, but I'm trying to understand why my internet speeds are consistently 50% of what they are in 17.10 or Windows 7
[03:47] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: where does one make config changes to systemd-resolved?
[03:47] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: DNS is not going to affect sustained speeds.
[03:47] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: i would guess slow do to ultimate dns server choice
[03:47] <Two_Dogs> s/do/due
[03:49] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: done the simple tweaks? disable ipv6 if not used
[03:49] <Kon-> SlidingHorn: Which software elements of network management may impact speed? I can dual boot to Windows 7 on this same machine right now and post 2x better speedtest results in a minute or two
[03:49] <Kon-> ipv6 is disabled, I believe
[03:49] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: check
[03:49] <Kon-> I forget where to go for that
[03:49] <Kon-> I was messing with this last about 10 days ago
[03:49] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: in networkmanager config
[03:49] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: well, as an aside, speedtest is worthless - use something like testmy.net (they have full explanation as to why - won't get into it here)...
[03:49] <Kon-> In that case no
[03:50] <Kon-> SlidingHorn: I went there because I started noticing a much lower max speed in real world use
[03:50] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: disable ipv6, you behind your own router?
[03:50] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: ^^
[03:50] <Kon-> Two_Dogs: In that case, no, nothing in NetworkManager.conf about IPv6
[03:51] <epaulgr> hi how can i found a spanish chat?
[03:51] <SlidingHorn> !es | epaulgr
[03:51] <epaulgr> help me please xD
[03:51] <Kon-> IPv6 is disabled in the router, yes
[03:51] <Two_Dogs> its not a conf, its a gui panel in networkmanager config Kon-
[03:51] <epaulgr> ty!
[03:52] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: how about locally?  4
[03:52] <Kon-> Two_Dogs: I'm in KDE. I think this would then be the Network Connections panel
[03:52] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: me too, plasma
[03:52] <Kon-> I have IPv6 set to automatic, but I don't think it's used
[03:53] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: disable ipv6
[03:53] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: just in case https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/366220/ubuntu-16-04-minimal-extremely-slow-internet-connection
[03:53] <SlidingHorn> (should also work for 18.04)
[03:53] <Kon-> Two_Dogs: The closest option to Disable is Ignore
[03:54] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: networking needs a restart for the modification to take effect
[03:54] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: disable ipv6, yes, ignore
[03:54] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: on same gui where you found ipv6, there should be option to tweak dns
[03:56] <Kon-> Two_Dogs: Yes, I have nothing special there
[03:56] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: 1.1.1.1 seems fast here, or 8.8.8.8, best choice is found from the output of the process 'namebench'
[03:56] <Kon-> Two_Dogs: This GUI panel on its own does not affect a DNS change in 18.04
[03:56] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: nothing means you are getting dns from router, my guess
[03:57]  * SlidingHorn cringes at google services, but that's OT..  !ot | slidinghorn
[03:58] <Kon-> Heh, agreed
[03:59] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: did you check the 1st link I gave you regarding DNS?
[03:59] <Kon-> About systemctl.conf?
[03:59] <Two_Dogs> dns best choice is found from the output of the process 'namebench'
[04:00] <Kon-> Okay, I just updated the conf file
[04:00] <SlidingHorn> Kon-:  that's the one
[04:00] <Kon-> sysctl.conf, I should say
[04:01] <Kon-> No change
[04:01] <Two_Dogs> Kon-: define 'no change'
[04:01] <Two_Dogs> and did you restart NetworkManager.service?
[04:02] <Kon-> Just did
[04:02] <Kon-> Speeds remain about 60% of what they should be
[04:03] <Kon-> I think the best course of action would be to get everything back to default: systemd-resolved, NetworkManager, dnsmasq, the GUI settings
[04:04] <Kon-> Not sure the best way to do that
[04:07] <Kon-> Interestingly, testmy.net gives much worse results than any other speed test site I've tried
[04:08] <SlidingHorn> Kon-: It probably will...but it's *accurate* speed...speedtest/ookla, etc are geared to be in your ISPs favor, which is why they send you theere
[04:10] <Kon-> So, what's the easiest way to blow all this up and go back to defaults?
[04:11] <Kon-> Again, I'm 100% sure this is a software issue
[04:13] <Kon-> If I delete conf files and restart the relevant services, should they repopulate?
[04:13] <Kon-> Or is that not always the case?
[04:21] <ledeni> Kon-, you use wifi or wired connection
[04:22] <Kon-> Wired
[04:24] <Kon-> Okay, I just renamed all network-related conf files in /run/systemd, /run/NetworkManager, /etc/systemd, and /etc/NetworkManager to .conf-old
[04:24] <Kon-> I'm hoping this will repopulate everything on reboot
[04:24] <Kon-> If not, guess I might be delayed a minute or two
[04:24] <enyc> Kon-: wow somebody who understands debugging ;p
[04:24] <Kon-> I've done enough of it, I'd sure hope I got the basics by now
[04:29] <Kon-> Interesting results
[04:30] <Kon-> All conf-old files in /run/ were deleted and the conf files repopulated on reboot
[04:30] <Kon-> All conf-old files in /etc/ remain AND no new conf files were created
[04:30] <Kon-> Did not expect that
[04:30] <matjam>  /run is tmpfs
[04:32] <Kon-> And it didn't fix my problem
[04:32] <Kon-> Just to make sure it's not a problem with an 18.04 default, I'm going to try with the Live USB
[04:37] <Kon-2> Speeds are great on the Live CD
[04:38] <Kon-2> GUI network settings are identical
[04:43] <Kon-2> all the conf files seem to be the same on the Live CD as they are on the installation
[04:43] <Kon-2> Brings me back to square one
[04:44] <Kon-2> unless there's a relevant file or service I missed
[05:18] <NoNickNoob> Who likes Durians?
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> !ot | NoNickNoob
[05:24] <NoNickNoob> bazhang, You alive out there?
[05:24] <Amis> Hello! Every since I installed Ubuntu 18 (clean) I always have to pull out and plug in the stereo jack so it allows me to select that as output after a restart. It worked fine in 16 before. What is causing this?
[05:25] <NoNickNoob> I've been away from any kind of irc for some years now.
[05:26] <NoNickNoob> Is there a general social channel on this server, sorry to get off topic....
[05:26] <Amis> ##chat ?
[05:26] <NoNickNoob> Alright. :) Thamks.
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Amis: try pavucontrol perhaps
[05:40] <Amis> lotuspsychje, I'll check it out
[05:42] <bipul> What is the name of the Mysql package need to install on Ubuntu to connect MySQL database via Python.
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | bipul start here
[05:44] <Amis> bipul, that depends on which package you want. There are more then one. For Python3 with pymysql it's 'python3-pymysql'
[05:48] <bipul> Okay, thank you. I just want to write a code in python to manipulate database.
[05:59] <osa1>  how do I update perf_event_paranoid setting permanently on Ubuntu 18.04?
[06:10] <Two_Dogs> osa1: how is it done non-permanent?
[06:10] <osa1> Two_Dogs: sudo sh -c 'echo 1 >/proc/sys/kernel/perf_event_paranoid'
[06:10] <Two_Dogs> osa1: and that is done after you log in to session?
[06:11] <osa1> Two_Dogs: I do that when I need debugging/profiling, then after a restart I have to do it again
[06:14] <Two_Dogs> osa1: i would look then at adding the line minus 'sudo' in txt file /etc/rc.local , if file exists and to end if it does not create the file, see if that works
[06:15] <osa1> I don't have a /etc/rc.local
[06:15] <Two_Dogs> osa1: create it
[06:15] <ikonia> osa1: put the parameter in sysctl.conf
[06:16] <osa1> I think I had tried sysctl.conf thing but let me try again
[06:16] <ikonia> that is the correct way to set the kernel parameter
[06:17] <ikonia> osa1: show me the actual line you've put in sysctl.conf
[06:17] <ikonia> (or one of the include fileS)
[06:18] <osa1> ikonia: kernel.perf_event_paranoid=1 <- I think this is what I had tried
[06:18] <osa1> I'll try again now although I can't restart now just to try, I'm in the middle of something
[06:19] <osa1> ikonia: does that look correct to you?
[06:19] <ikonia> no
[06:20] <ikonia> you just need perf_event_paranoid = 1
[06:20] <osa1> ah, OK. done.
[06:20] <ikonia> that should work
[06:22] <osa1> alright
[07:10] <sinon> hai
[07:11] <sinon> quit
[07:14] <David_Hedlund> Can dconf remove entries from "Startup Applications Preferences"?
[07:18] <David_Hedlund> I found it, they are apparently located in: /etc/xdg/autostart/
[07:29] <vlt> Hello. Are there usable video editing tools in Ubuntu? Something that's like kdenlive but works without crashing around 30 times an hour?
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> !info pitivi | vlt
[07:41] <vlt> lotuspsychje: Thanks, I'll have a look at pitivi.
[07:42] <MrM0ng0053> blender's supposed to be able to do some
[07:45] <rasberry> f
[07:45] <rasberry> hello
[07:46] <rasberry> del
[07:47] <guiverc> Hi rasberry, this is Ubuntu support; if you have an Ubuntu support question please just ask it, (ideally in a single line, and please be patient to give people time to answer it)
[07:50] <rasberry> sw
[07:50] <rasberry> tree
[07:51] <JimBuntu> guiverc, Hi... o/
[07:59] <JimBuntu> David Hedlund, if you see this,... Lightworks and Flowblade are both alleged to be decent.
[08:00] <LeMike_> Hello. I have a problem, that xrandr shows HDMI-1 as disconnected. I already disabled the nvidia driver because I tried everything I could find for that. So I am on X-Server now and dunno how to continue.
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: start from the beginning mate, whats not working exactly?
[08:02] <SwedeMike> win 417
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> SwedeMike: can we help you?
[08:02] <SwedeMike> lotuspsychje: unfortunately not, it seems I still at old age can't learn to not typo.
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> !details | LeMike_ ubuntu version, graphics card chipset, driver version, how many screens?(connected how?)
[08:06] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: I turn on my laptop (Xubuntu 17.10) and nothing appeared on the second screen. I checked the display settings and only one display was shown (the lid, eDP-1). So I continued with xrandr and it showed that HDMI-1 is not connected. So I tried a different cable and right now I try another monitor. I also disabled the nvidia driver (got nvidia graphics and some intel thing as hardware) and used
[08:06] <LeMike_> the X.Org. After a reboot the situation didnt change.
[08:07] <maz3max> Hi! After upgrading to Ubuntu 18.04, I am getting power notifications on the lockscreen waking up the display. Does anyone know how to disable them?
[08:07] <LeMike_> I never touched a config file and only use what Xubuntu gives me via GUI. I get only on the shell for debugging so "nothing special" done ever since.
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: check sudo lshw -C video to see your exact chipset and drivers loaded, you have a hybrid nvidia/intel card i presume?
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> maz3max: take a look into dconf-editor mate, there are some energy settings in there worth taking a look on
[08:11] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: thanks. got it here: https://pastebin.com/LeC1f8z8
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: ok your nvidia card show unclaimed, so i think to have best hybrid experience is to install the nvidia- driver version
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: you can check whats available for your card with: ubuntu-drivers list
[08:14] <JimBuntu> +1 for ubuntu-drivers list and then ubuntu-drivers install
[08:15] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: I disabled in the "app & update" -> "additional drivers" on purpose trying to fix the problem with that. I switch back to nvidia, let me reboot real quick.
[08:15] <maz3max> lotuspsychje: Thanks for the tip! Unfortunately I didn't find the correct setting when searching for 'power'
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> maz3max: check org/gnome/desktop/screensaver
[08:20] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: now the "unclaimed" is gone
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: good, hybrid cards need nvidia-prime to set to powersave or performance mode
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: can you tell wich driver version is active now?
[08:22] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: GUI shows 384.111
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: ok great, now how many screens do you have and how are they connected? dvi? hdmi?
[08:23] <LeMike_> 1 in the lid (laptop) via eDP-1 connected, 1 external via HDMI-1 shown as disconnected but physically connected
[08:24] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: sorry, forgot the nick in front.
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: try xrandr --auto or install arandr to GUI
[08:26] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: xrandr output still says "disconnected" after --auto, got arandr installed
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: do you have an F5 screen switch button on your laptop?
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: Fn+ F5 that is
[08:26] <LeMike_> is there a way where I can see if things like bluetooth, WLAN or other ports are disabled ?
[08:27] <LeMike_> yes. and xubuntu does not now how to deal with that.
[08:27] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: wait... let me check the grub config
[08:29] <[twisti]> im trying to set up passwordless ssh access, but when i try to connect, i get these responses: https://pastebin.com/Kc8SbAz5
[08:29] <[twisti]> then it asks me to type in my password
[08:30] <[twisti]> the pub key for that key is in the servers ~/.ssh/authorized_hosts file
[08:30] <LeMike_> lotuspsychje: so grub got no "acpi_osi=" in it. I may try that and reboot later on. But still I wonder what commands show me the state of my bluetooth, etc which can be turned of via Fn+ keys
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> LeMike_: im bbl, re-ask in channel once in a while ok
[08:32] <sdfgssd> hi I'm trying to create a macOS image from iso but its not bootable after a complete dd imaging to /dev/sdb
[08:33] <sdfgssd> should I make a hfs slice and image it to sdb1 or something ?
[08:35] <JimBuntu> [twisti], "we did not send a packet, disable method" odd
[08:36] <ducasse> LeMike_: for wifi and bluetooth - 'rfkill'
[08:37] <JimBuntu> [twisti], to be sure, is this openssh server from the stock repos?
[08:38] <LeMike_> ducasse: thanks. now I am unsecure about the display switch on the keyboard. damn thing. yesterday it worked and I changed nothing.
[08:39] <sdfgssd> how do I make a macos pendrive image on ubuntu
[08:39] <sdfgssd> unetbootin is not working and gparted is dysfunctional
[08:40] <sdfgssd> dd is weird
[08:40] <JimBuntu> dd is fine. What's the issue?
[08:40] <sdfgssd> I just see a blinking underscore when I boot into it
[08:41] <JimBuntu> sdfgssd, How did you create it?
[08:41] <sdfgssd> dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb
[08:41] <JimBuntu> sdfgssd, that's the simplest of ways. Where did you get the IMG?
[08:41] <sdfgssd> torrent lol
[08:42] <JimBuntu> Well, that doesn't bode well. Is it an image of the macOS installer?
[08:42] <sdfgssd> yes
[08:42] <sdfgssd> i see macos installer label when i mount
[08:42] <JimBuntu> are you attepting to boot it on an actual Mac?
[08:42] <sdfgssd> no
[08:42] <JimBuntu> sdfgssd, Well, there is your problem.
[08:42] <JimBuntu> sdfgssd, You can't simply install macoS on any machine, sorry
[08:43] <sdfgssd> hmmm but I want a hackintosh I got a shiny magic trackpad 2 for this
[08:43] <sdfgssd> im fully prepared
[08:43] <sdfgssd> not fully apparently
[08:43] <ducasse> not an ubuntu issue
[08:43] <JimBuntu> Well, check out the hackintosh channels/sites. I wish you the best, but this isn't Ubuntu support related.
[08:43] <sdfgssd> ok
[08:43] <sdfgssd> your right
[08:44] <sdfgssd> thanks
[08:44] <JimBuntu> sdfgssd, I will say, you did things properly for using dd, at least at a basic level.
[08:44] <ducasse> either way we don't support violating licenses
[08:46] <arussel> Hi, I'm installing mongodb-org-tool from the mongo.org repo. On my local machine (14.04), the 3.6.4 version has depedencies: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.18), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1) , but on AWS, using the ubuntu ami 14.04, the and the exact same mongo version, I get: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.18), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.2~beta3)
[08:46] <arussel> how is it possible ?
[08:46] <arussel> the ubuntu on aws is complaining because of the 1.0.2~beta3 dependency
[08:47] <JimBuntu> It's possible due to changes in the 14.04.XX portion as well as AWS ubuntu being customized
[08:47] <chanikan> The battery level states it is 75% on my laptop.  AND it states that it is fully charged at the same time.  My ocd is hurting
[08:47] <arussel> mongodb-org-tools : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.2~beta3) but 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.25 is to be installed
[08:48] <arussel> JimBuntu: how can I find the XX portion ?
[08:48] <JimBuntu> arussel, manually install the libssl that you need
[08:48] <JimBuntu> lsb_release -a
[08:49] <chanikan> Gjeldende batterinivå (current batterylevel): 75%, Fulladet (fully charged): 60,6 Wh (100%)
[08:49] <arussel> JimBuntu: both are Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[08:49] <chanikan> ubuntu 18 lts by the way
[08:50] <JimBuntu> solution is still the same, if you need a newer version of libssl, then install the newer version manually, then install the rest via apt. That's what I would do, but then again... I would question the need for a "beta" anyway
[08:50] <arussel> JimBuntu: I would much prefer not to have to install manually on prod server, we're using chef I ideally the solution would be package basec
[08:50] <JimBuntu> 18 is LTS unless you are on a previous LTS, then 16 is the current upgrade path until July 26th
[08:50] <JimBuntu> arussel, In that case, I suggest moving to 16 and seeing if the issue persists (in a staging/dev environment)
[08:51] <arussel> JimBuntu: but how a package can have different dependency at the same version ? how is it computed ?
[08:51] <blackflow> manually installing a random version of openssl, outside of apt, is a ticket to disastervile.
[08:51] <arussel> JimBuntu: stocked on 14 for the time being as moving to 16 means moving to a new chef version which is not a small task in aws opsworks
[08:51] <user3> hallo
[08:52] <JimBuntu> arussel, I *think* that info comes from the repos, which for AWS, iirc, isn't the stick Ubuntu repos.
[08:52] <JimBuntu> arussel, lemme quickly check this though, one moment
[08:53] <JimBuntu> confirmed, AWS uses their own mirrors. No idea how much is changed
[08:53] <arussel> JimBuntu: I've added   https://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu as repo for mongodb
[08:53] <JimBuntu> Yes, and it's asking for version X, but the general repos want to put version W.
[08:53] <arussel> so I do believe that both local and aws uses it. I don't think aws would overwrite this
[08:54] <JimBuntu> Mongo doesn't provide the libssl package, that's coming from AWS, since it's an AWS "mirror" (not a mirror exactly)
[08:56] <arussel> JimBuntu: got it
[08:56] <JimBuntu> arussel, otherwise, I can't be of much more help. You can ask again though and there may be someone that can reply who has direct experience with this or similar. I used MongoDB via AWS EC2 in the past, but no longer host Mongo with AWS
[08:56] <arussel> JimBuntu: ok, thanks for your help
[08:56] <JimBuntu> np, yw
[09:00] <Lun_> Hello everyone, I've used Ubuntu in the past (just did a fresh install with 18.04 LTS) and am not afraid of the terminal. I am in an apartment complex which shares the internet connection with all tenets, thus practically a public network. I was wondering what kind of security measures would be advised before I go online for the first time with this fresh install. Any advice?
[09:01] <JimBuntu> Lun_, I would put a router between myself and the "public network" for a simple start. At least then you have some level of immediate bloackage with any ports you may have open.
[09:02] <superlinux> hello. I use debian 9.x, and I want to download a debian package from Nvidia's website, and the website tells me to choose either ubuntu 16 or unbuntu 17. which is the nearest to my debian?
[09:02] <JimBuntu> Lun_, Then I would be looking at the docs for UFW, and running a few `sudo netstat -tunelp` commands to double-verify what I have listening on the machine. Change SSH (if it's running) to a port beside 22, anything other than 22 is better than 22 since many bots/kiddies are stupid.
[09:02] <JimBuntu> superlinux, might better asked in a #debian channel?
[09:05] <JimBuntu> superlinux,  #debian-ubuntu specifically, should be the channel that can answer quickest and with the most knowledge. That's the channel for cross-over conversation and cooperation.
[09:07] <Lun_> JimBuntu: Solid advice, I am sure to need a firewall but the idea of using a router between me and the "public" one, I wasn't aware routers could bridge WiFi that way. Would you also recommend a VPN? There are only 4 other known users all of which are not technically savvy, but more people could know the password than I think. I'm not as concerned about the ISP seeing what I am doing as I am about everyday joes packet sniffing.
[09:08] <JimBuntu> Lun_, I didn't realize you were using their WiFi. Either way, yes, you can get a device that connects to their WiFi and acts as a router, so that you can connect wired and/or wireless devices to your own SSID.
[09:08] <JimBuntu> Lun_, are they at least using WPA2?
[09:11] <JimBuntu> Either way Lun_ , if I was using someone elses WiFi like that, I would probably use both a firewall AND a VPN. The firewall to prevent easy access to services I might be running (or don't know are running) and the VPN to further secure my own communications.
[09:11] <JimBuntu> Lun_, for example, I don't use hotel/cafe wifi unless it's over a VPN.
[09:12] <Lun_> JimBuntu: Chrome OS currently, limited details. Security just says PSK (WPA or RSN) which isn't what I was hoping for. Perhaps a private connection would be worth the investment honestly. However my bridge would prevent further penetration to my devices if I use WPA2 for inner connection I presume. The VPN example makes a lot of sense, this WiFi is included with rent and is setup with Charter Business Accnt.
[09:12] <JimBuntu> Lun_, If this is a proper set-up, then they should have client separation enabled, which prevents any of you users from being able to communicate with each other directly.
[09:13] <Lun_> JimBuntu: I can directly see my neighbor's printer, Chromecast, computer, etc. So unfortunately it is a shotty setup haha!
[09:13] <JimBuntu> Lun_, I would run some nmaps to see if client isolation is enabled... a few at different times of day to make sure someone else was connected... or possibly even coordinate with a neighbor to make sure
[09:14] <JimBuntu> ouch
[09:14] <JimBuntu> On the bright side... think of all the fun
[09:15] <Lun_> JimBuntu: Hahaha, nah I wouldn't pull that! Though, the thought of blasting porn on my neighbor's chromecast for effect has crossed my mind.
[09:16] <JimBuntu> All kidding aside, your complex is apt for abuse. Possibly communicate with the administration, i expect it to be a simple option that they didn't checkmark.
[09:17] <JimBuntu> If they are including it with the cost of rent, they might have some liability... or worse, they could be exposing their own use to others and be at risk themselves. It's pretty inexpensive for them to at least CHECK if it's an existing option that they can enable.
[09:18] <Lun_> JimBuntu: Solid point, I'll bring it up next I see the landlord. In the mean time, pretty sure you've convinced me a private installation is best. In the meantime I'll get a VPN as well. Thank you for the talk.
[09:18] <sdfgssd> wow there's actually a #hackintosh channel
[09:19] <JimBuntu> Lun_, you are welcome, happy and safe surfing.
[09:19] <sdfgssd> and they support piracy
[09:19] <sdfgssd> or illegal breach of osx contract
[09:19] <JimBuntu> sdfgssd, be safe, who knows who could be lurking in such a channel.
[09:19] <sdfgssd> assistant chief of NSA headquarters ? lol
[09:20] <JimBuntu> probably only like-minded people.
[09:20] <sdfgssd> criminals ?!?
[09:20] <JimBuntu> by definition, maybe...
[09:20] <sdfgssd> whats the worst that can happen
[09:21] <sdfgssd> it should be fine
[09:21] <JimBuntu> asteroid kills off all life, but I think it will be unrelated
[09:21] <sdfgssd> I wont click dodgy links
[09:22] <sdfgssd> nah that's a good metaphor but at least it was a necessary phase of evolution, it didn't kill the monkeys here we aer :P
[09:22] <sdfgssd> they're all idle anyways, or the channel's full of their dirty bots
[09:23] <JimBuntu> Even Ubuntu has been evolved thanks to the evolved great apes, mainly due to it's own kind of environmental stresses weeding out the weak packages/code.
[09:23] <chanikan> so why hasn`t apple gone after the hackintosh community in a more forceful way?
[09:23] <JimBuntu> chanikan, because they benefit from it in many ways
[09:24] <chanikan> right
[09:24] <chanikan> you`d think they could easily devastate it if they wanted to
[09:24] <JimBuntu> chanikan, they surely could... 5,000,000,000 $USD per month can afford a lot of lawyers
[09:26] <sdfgssd> and I was wondering why some of their very precious closed source firmware drivers have never been published opensource
[09:26] <sdfgssd> and linux devs are still struggling to even support their trackpads
[09:26] <chanikan> I just installed ubuntu 18 lts on this 2007 32 bit macbook.  I wish I hadn`t since 16 lts worked better.
[09:27] <sdfgssd> you see dodgy comment lines in git like # I don't know what this code does but it seems to enable the left click
[09:27] <sdfgssd> lololol
[09:27] <JimBuntu> chanikan, sorry to hear that. Although, thanks for the info, when I think about updating my macbook to 18.04.01, I'll think twice.
[09:27] <cluelessperson> Question, I'm hoping to install openjdk, but this seems to want 500MB of packages that don't seem to be needed?
[09:27] <cluelessperson> https://hastebin.com/raw/wujegariqu
[09:27] <cluelessperson> how do I make it lean?
[09:27] <cluelessperson> chanikan: I'm considering upgrading, what's different?
[09:27] <sdfgssd> lean and mean, you'll probably need the 500mb
[09:28] <JimBuntu> cluelessperson, do you *need* the JDK, or can you settle for the JRE?
[09:28] <sdfgssd> jdk is bloated
[09:28] <cluelessperson> sdfgssd: jdk
[09:28] <sdfgssd> that's the sacrifice
[09:28] <sdfgssd> if you want to pray for java gods
[09:29] <JimBuntu> cluelessperson, are you certain all of those are ONLY related to the requested installation and NONE are from some previously unmet dep?
[09:29] <cluelessperson> JimBuntu: I didn't install anything else, so pretty sure
[09:29] <cluelessperson> no clue
[09:30] <cluelessperson> adwaita-icon-theme ?
[09:30] <JimBuntu> yikes, cause "gsettings-desktop-schemas" doesn't sound like it's related
[09:30] <chanikan> I`m considering downgrading
[09:31] <JimBuntu> cluelessperson, I don't have the same version (11) available, but my depends are hella less, like 4 things. I may already have the rest installed...
[09:31] <cluelessperson> JimBuntu: I'll try  apt-get install --force  to resolve anything missing
[09:32] <JimBuntu> cluelessperson, please try `sudo apt-cache depends openjdk-11-jdk`
[09:33] <chanikan> so is there a working way to align batteries in ubuntu?
[09:34] <cluelessperson> chanikan: align batteries?
[09:34] <chanikan> cluelessperson: like on a laptop, mine shows 75% when fully charged
[09:34] <nopcode> hey
[09:34] <JimBuntu> chanikan, calibrate the battery runtime estimate?
[09:34] <chanikan> yes
[09:34] <cluelessperson> chanikan: the word you're looking for is "calibrate" google that. :)
[09:35] <chanikan> ok
[09:35] <JimBuntu> chanikan, power-calibrate
[09:35] <chanikan> I`ll do that
[09:35] <cluelessperson> calibrate batteries ubuntu laptop  whatever
[09:35] <nopcode> i have a second hdd mounted at /mnt/d and i wanted to delete a directory. i still had a "less" process holding open a file in that directory. couldnt delete it because of a "fuse_hidden" file. w.t.f?
[09:35] <JimBuntu> nopcode, ps -aux to find the process and kill the process
[09:35] <nopcode> JimBuntu: yeah i found it
[09:35] <nopcode> but WTF
[09:35] <nopcode> this changes the semantics of unix filesystems
[09:36] <nopcode> i should be able to delete a directory with an open file!!!
[09:36] <nopcode> why does this even use fuse at all? its just a ntfs mount
[09:36] <JimBuntu> unmount *should* hang if there is a file operation ongoing.
[09:36] <nopcode> not talking abount unmounting
[09:36] <nopcode> just deleting a directory with an open file
[09:36] <JimBuntu> removing a directory with an open file should fail too. rewriting the file shouldn't fail though or moving the file
[09:37] <nopcode> JimBuntu: what? lemme test that
[09:37] <nopcode> nope. works on ext3
[09:37] <JimBuntu> nopcode, the less may fail, but things like `tail -F filename` should succeed in following the moved file
[09:37] <nopcode> its not the less that failed
[09:38] <nopcode> less kept the file open
[09:38] <JimBuntu> ah, NTFS to complicate things
[09:38] <nopcode> resulting in me not being able to delete the directory
[09:38] <nopcode> so does it apply different semantics just because it's NTFS?
[09:38] <nopcode> doesnt that violate posix or something
[09:38] <JimBuntu> probably so, I would expect it to as NTFS is not a native Linux filesystem, although it's one of the better ones offered by MS
[09:39] <nopcode> but yeah ok
[09:39] <nopcode> since when do we do filesystems in userspace tho?
[09:39] <JimBuntu> nopcode, which module are you using for NTFS? There may be an update
[09:39] <nopcode> this apparently uses fuse
[09:40] <JimBuntu> gtg,biab
[09:41] <chmd> hi! where can I see the messages that I generated with the 'logger' shell utility? It used to land in /var/log/messages, but now it does not exist anymore. /var/log/syslog does not have the messages either
[09:41] <nopcode> but yeah actually my fault, was a bit furious that linux behaviour would change so much and didnt realize it was an NTFS mount at first...
[09:44] <chanikan> pretty happy with this 20 dollar battery I got off ebay so far for the macbook.  The original battery was swollen and 100% dead
[09:45] <chanikan> it`s probably not as good as an original, but there`s a limit at how much money I`m willing to throw at a dirt old computer
[10:15] <myrat> what's up
[10:27] <pragomer> i have to open pdf's from my work, but they are pw protected and (a kind of) pdf in a pdf. (the pdf contains a link and then, after giving the pw, the protected content opens).
[10:27] <pragomer> this does not work with ubuntu's pdf reader, only with adobe reader on windows.
[10:28] <pragomer> any chance to open this on ubuntu?
[10:29] <ChiLLabiS> https://askubuntu.com/questions/18495/what-pdf-viewers-are-available-for-ubuntu
[10:30] <ducasse> pragomer: an old version of acrobat is available for linux, you could try that
[10:30] <pragomer> ok.. I thought of using wine/crossover with relativly new adobe reader.
[10:31] <pragomer> but I wondered if there was a linux way
[10:32] <kerru> if you open that in the browser, does that work ?
[10:33] <pragomer> you mean opeing the pdf in firefox??
[10:34] <myrat> yes
[10:35] <extra-pixel> Hi, I'm trying to boot into an older version of the Linux kernel (3.11) after compiling it myself.  I can compile and successfully boot into other 4.x kernels, but I can't boot into the 3.11 kernel I've just compiled.  After loading it from the GRUB menu, it hangs on the "loading initramfs" message.
[10:39] <pragomer> mm.. firefox asks me for my password. that looked good.
[10:39] <Amis> Hello! Why is it that the line out/stereo options on the volume controls only get visible when I replug the stereo jack? It worked in 16, broken in 18 for me.
[10:39] <pragomer> but it only opened the unencrypted part of the pdf
[10:39] <Amis> I already tried it with pavucontrol but it's the same
[10:44] <pragomer> I can see the two pdfs that are packed in the unencrypted pdf. but I cannot open them / save them (firefox)
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:10] <eoli3n> Hi
[11:10] <eoli3n> in 18.04 i can't find networking.service... so i removed network manager and configured /etc/network/interface, but no dhclient at startup
[11:10] <eoli3n> how to enable /etc/network/interfaces at startup
[11:10] <eoli3n> ?
[11:11] <john_rambo> Is there a desktop clock I can install in Ubuntu 18.04 ?
[11:16] <ducasse> eoli3n: you need to install ifupdown, as it's no longer there by default
[11:19] <eoli3n> oh ok thx
[11:19] <eoli3n> ducasse:
[11:23] <sdfgssd> the pendrive I dd'd is not even recognized anymore I dont see it on dmesg
[11:23] <sdfgssd> [ 5400.686505] usb 2-2: device not accepting address 10, error -71
[11:23] <sdfgssd> or device not responding to setup address.
[11:24] <sdfgssd> ok it's suddenly working after one last try =/ weird
[11:26] <mattiasb> Hi all! I'm trying make my script that builds automatic installation ISO's from Ubuntu 16.04 ISO's also handle 18.04 ISO's. The script uses kickseed files to automate the installation. I've already found that the kernel resides under /casper/ instead of under /install/ and have gotten the installation software to boot. But it doesn't automate anything. Looking at the logs in /var/log/syslog and journalctl I see no kickseed
[11:26] <mattiasb> references at all. While there were lots of them in 16.04.
[11:28] <mattiasb> I use the `ks=cdrom:/preseed/ks.cfg` kernel parameter (and I've confirmed that ks.cfg is indeed under /cdrom/preseed/). Did anything regarding kickseed change between 16.04 and 18.04 that could give me these errors?
[11:37] <extra-pixel> Hello, I am using xubuntu 18.04, and I am trying to compile and boot into an old kernel (version 3.11).  I can compile the kernel successfully, but when I try to boot, the boot prompt hangs at "loading initramfs".  I think this might have something to do with the way glibc is configured on a default installation.  Is there a way I can reconfigure glibc so that it accommodates old kernels?
[11:39] <tomreyn> mattiasb: which isos are you referring to specifically?
[11:39] <tomreyn> (exact filename)
[11:40] <mattiasb> http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64.iso
[11:40] <mattiasb> 😲
[11:40] <mattiasb> Is the -live part significant maybe?
[11:40] <tomreyn> mattiasb: right, use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/
[11:42] <mattiasb> tomreyn ah! So the -live images are focused on giving a good experience for manual installation, while these other ISO's you pointed to are more... generic?
[11:42] <mattiasb> (because while I'm personally a Fedora person I was stunned by how beautiful the 18.04 install was! Great job to whoever worked on that! :) )
[11:43] <tomreyn> mattiasb: that's probably meant to be so, yes. in practice, the live server installation isos (which are now default) are oinly suitable for simple installation scenarios while most server admins will prefer the old style non "live" ones
[11:44] <mattiasb> Cool, good to know! Thanks a lot!
[11:44] <tomreyn> yes, the live ones look nice and install fast
[11:44] <tomreyn> welcome
[11:45] <sdfgssd> h
[11:45] <sdfgssd> o/
[11:45] <sdfgssd> \o_
[11:45] <sdfgssd> _o/
[11:45] <tomreyn> extra-pixel: why do you use a 3.11 kernel on 18.04?
[11:45] <sdfgssd> thats an old kernel
[11:45] <sdfgssd> why are you using 3.11 ??
[11:45] <sdfgssd> that's bizarre
[11:46] <extra-pixel> tomreyn: I need it for mounting an experimental FS called betrfs
[11:47] <extra-pixel> Would I be better served just installing an old version of Xubuntu?
[11:47] <tomreyn> extra-pixel: that's not "btrfs", right?
[11:47] <extra-pixel> It's not.  It's different, but it's based on btrfs.
[11:47] <extra-pixel> I need to do some benchmarking using it, but it requires the 3.11 kernel.  Specifically, it requires the 3.11 kernel with a custom patch applied.
[11:47] <francisv> After upgrade Ubuntu from 17.10 to 18.04 I noticed that the environment variables I have configured in '.bash_profile' are not longer exported.  Why? and how is the proper way to configure then?
[11:48] <extra-pixel> I have applied the patch and compiled the kernel, but I can't actually boot into it.  Booting hangs after the boot loader.  I suspect it has something to do with glibc being configured for kernels newer than the one I'm trying to boot into.
[11:48] <tomreyn> extra-pixel: wello none of these scenarios is supported here,  and you definitely should keep this system airgapped. this said, using an old and end of life distribution will be the only way to possibly get this kernel working well with the user space.
[11:49] <extra-pixel> Thank you for the advice.  What version of Ubuntu would you recommend for this?
[11:49] <xiacong> asd
[11:50] <tomreyn> extra-pixel: one which came with a similar kernel. you can ask more questions regarding this in #ubuntu-offtopic (after registering with nickserv) if you like. in this channel, we oinly support non EOL releases (and kernels)
[11:51] <extra-pixel> Alright.  Thank you.
[11:51] <sdfgssd> 17.04
[11:51] <tomreyn> francisv: are you running bash then?
[11:52] <ioria> extra-pixel,  just for test purpose , you can install saucy (from old release repo) that ship 3.11.10
[11:52] <extra-pixel> Thank you, ioria.
[11:54] <ioria> extra-pixel,  wait .... linux-image-3.11.0-12-generic exactly
[11:55] <francisv> tomreyn: well, I actually don't use too much Terminal.  I use Emacs and e-shell instead.
[11:56] <francisv> but I need the environment variables in .bash_profile for other applications to work
[11:56] <extra-pixel> I will give that a try.  Thanks, everyone.
[11:57] <francisv> I need some way to initialize global environment variables when I enter to log in my account
[11:58] <francisv> export variables in Ubuntu 17.10 used to work, but not in 18.04
[11:58] <francisv> in .bash_profile
[11:58] <francisv> I mean
[11:58] <francisv> now, I have to manually source the file
[11:59] <tomreyn> francisv: what does "env | grep SHELL" return?
[11:59] <JimBuntu> francisv, have you tried placing them in your ~/.bashrc ?
[11:59] <francisv> tomreyn: GNOME_SHELL_SESSION_MODE=ubuntu, and SHELL=/bin/bash
[12:00] <francisv> JimBuntu: I have not tried.  Should my environment variables be in .bashrc in Ubuntu 18.04?
[12:00] <mattiasb> tomreyn So, after reverting my script changes and just pointing to the non-live iso it just went right through the installer just like on 16.04. Success! 🙌 Thanks for your help!
[12:00] <JimBuntu> francisv, yes
[12:00] <francisv> JimBuntu: ok, I will try.  Why this change from Ubuntu 17.10?
[12:00] <JimBuntu> francisv, or if they are global to all users, then perhaps right in /etc/profile... or as an add-on in the /etc/profile.d/
[12:01] <JimBuntu> francisv, I can not speak to 17.10 as I stick to LTS
[12:04] <francisv> JimBuntu: I thought an Ubuntu official flavor is equal to LTS
[12:04] <francisv> hmm\
[12:04] <francisv> well, that was my misunderstanding
[12:05] <JimBuntu> A new LTS is released only every 2 years +/-
[12:05] <francisv> I see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history
[12:06] <JimBuntu> francisv, and note that 17.10 doesn't have an LTS next to the version. No issue with using it, I simply don't use the betas or any other non-LTS, at least not any more
[12:06] <francisv> Anyway, this channel gives support to users of Ubuntu 17.10 also, right?
[12:06] <JimBuntu> yes francisv
[12:07] <francisv> I like to use betas in all software I use :-)
[12:07] <francisv>  
[12:08] <JimBuntu> francisv, did moving the items to the ~/.bashrc resolve the issue?
[12:08] <francisv> will restart my machine
[12:08] <francisv> brb
[12:14] <francisv> JimBuntu: Yes, putting the export command in .bashrc worked.  Thank you!
[12:14] <JimBuntu> You are very welcome.
[12:20] <chanikan> I`m urging for a new laptop that can run linux, and I`d like one that is really quiet, have a really long battery life (10 hours+?), so that I can bring it with me.  What would that be?
[12:21] <mohabaks> hello folks;how can I enable dhclient to autostart in ubuntu 18.04
[12:24] <BluesKaj> mohabaks, make a small bash script with the line, sudo dhclient, and place it in startup and shutdown, but I' not sure where that is in gnome
[12:25] <tomreyn> chanikan: this question might be more suitable in ##linux or ##hardware
[12:26] <mohabaks> BluesKaj: I use the server version of it;where's the startup/shutdown dir ?
[12:26] <chanikan> thank you for the tip tomreyn (noob at irc)
[12:27] <tomreyn> chanikan: welcome
[12:28] <BluesKaj> mohabaks,  https://askubuntu.com/questions/814/how-to-run-scripts-on-start-up
[12:31] <mohabaks> BluesKaj: thanks
[12:33] <dunpeal> Hi there. I'd like to install Ubuntu, with my main (root and default) user having a specific UID and GID. Is that possible?
[12:38] <malaverdiere_> Quick question - I am using a Fedora-based distro and I'd like to switch to Ubuntu LTS - my hard drives are encrypted LVM - is that going to install smoothly?
[12:39] <JimBuntu> dunpeal, I think root needs to be 0, at least the default super-user. If you simply want the name root, you can rename the root user and take that name for a different user.
[12:39] <kiriuha> installilg
[12:40] <kiriuha> installilg
[12:40] <kiriuha> kiriuha_you6
[12:40] <kiriuha> tor
[12:41] <kiriuha> tty
[12:41] <kiriuha> del
[12:41] <kiriuha> rd
[12:41] <kiriuha> win
[12:41] <kiriuha> windows 95
[12:42] <jorvis> I upgraded to 18.04 from 17.10 and now have both launcher bars on the left and bottom which are mirrored.  Does anyone know how to get rid of the left one? https://i.imgur.com/wNI7uIz.png
[12:44] <dunpeal> JimBuntu: thanks, what I really want is to change my default user's UID and GID.
[12:44] <JimBuntu> You can change those.
[12:45] <kiriuha>  . . . . . . . . .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . , . , . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
[12:45] <kiriuha> stop
[12:45] <JimBuntu> jorvis, by changing the computer name to "notcolossus", it's confirmed that you are using the AI known to it's human creators as Colossus.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> kiriuha, enough already with the enter key
[12:46] <jorvis> JimBuntu: Haha, I have another laptop which is nearly 18" and a beast.  It's 'colossus'.  This is my smaller, more portable 14" one.
[12:46] <JimBuntu> dunpeal, please see `man usermod`, specifically around the `usermod -u <UID> <USER>` and `usermod -g <GID> <USER>` sections
[12:47] <JimBuntu> jorvis, Oh, I thought it was a reference to "The Forbin Project" or the book "Colossus"
[12:48] <JimBuntu> I politely request you change the hostname of your smaller laptop to "Guardian", lol (check out the book or wikipedia possibly)
[12:50] <ioria> jorvis, never seen before, maybe a shell-extension issue; check it in gnome-tweaks  or run  gsettings list-recursively | grep dock-position
[12:51] <dunpeal> JimBuntu: thanks!
[12:51] <JimBuntu> dunpeal, You are welcome.
[12:51] <jorvis> ioria : I'll check tweaks.  The output of that command is: org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock dock-position 'LEFT'
[12:52] <ioria> jorvis, i'am not even sure that the bar at bottom is dock  (looks like tint2)
[12:57] <jorvis> ioria:  Found it - it's an extension I had called Dash to Panel.
[13:02] <dunpeal> I'm getting the following error immediately after installing: http://dpaste.com/1GT97RT
[13:07] <JimBuntu> seems odd to me that it's looking at "10.12.110.90" for us.archive.ubuntu.com
[13:07] <tomreyn> dunpeal: fix your proxy server, or have it fixed for you.
[13:08] <tomreyn> dunpeal: your ubuntu system is told (by the dns server it is told to use via dhcp most likely) that us.archive.ubuntu.com is at 10.12.110.90. but this is an internal, non routed, non internet ip address. it will be a server close to you.
[13:09] <dunpeal> tomreyn: thanks!
[13:10] <tomreyn> dunpeal: so basically this means that your connection to the ubuntu archive mirror is being intercepted. there can be and usually are legitimate uses for this, such as reducing the amount of traffic on the internet, by running a local apt proxy. but this on seems to be misconfigured.
[13:11] <JimBuntu> tomreyn, in the meanwhile, would the hosts file get checked first... and could manually entering an IP for that (sub)domain into it resolve the issue for now?
[13:12] <tomreyn> JimBuntu: i would think it could be a way to work around it. and to complicate things for the future if one forgets to remove the static entry off the hosts file later.
[13:13] <JimBuntu> For sure, wouldn't want to forget it... set a reminder ;-)
[13:13] <wonky> has anyone successfully configured sssd and active director with ubuntu 16.04
[13:15] <Malgorath> Hey folks, loving the new 18.04 but the auto discovery of printers is quiet annoying, is there a way to turn this off so I can remove the printers I don't want?
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> Malgorath: I've been trying to do the same without much success. I tried one option and it came back. The current option I have seen is to disable the bonjour service on the printer's controll panel/web interface
[13:17] <Malgorath> pragmaticenigma, yeah thats not really an option in an office environment so I hope someone else has an idea
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> Malgorath: There are a number of stakeoverflow and askubuntu entries... This one is one I've been trying
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> https://askubuntu.com/a/921289
[13:19] <Malgorath> yeah doesn't seem like its for 18.04 though, as I don't even have a /etc/cups-browsed.conf file
[13:19] <Malgorath> lol its in /etc/cups/
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... looks like it has a typo... That has been working for me so far... every now and then I still get a rouge printer show up
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> haven't been able to track that down. at the moment, I have only the one printer on my network
[13:22] <Malgorath> after you set it to none, just sudo service cups restart?
[13:22] <dunpeal> tomreyn: seems like we're running a local mirror for us.archive.ubuntu.com, except it doesn't have the latest release yet. Is there a way I can make it go to the actual server?
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> Malgorath: it should be systemctl restart cups.service I think...
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> Malgorath: 18.04 uses systemd, if I recal correctly
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> Malgorath: "systemctl restart cups-browsed.service" should be what you need
[13:23] <Malgorath> pragmaticenigma, ugh still coming back
[13:23] <Malgorath> I have about 40 printers in my office that keep getting added
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> Malgorath: might need to reboot to get it to stick
[13:26] <tomreyn> dunpeal: if "it" is your local computer where you are trying to get updates on, then you can configure an alternative dns server, such as 9.9.9.10
[13:27] <chanikan> anyone know how to get a laptop to show the correct level of batterypower left?  I tried that power-calibrate several times on a different computer, but it didn`t do anything
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> chanikan: Can you explain a little better what you mean by correct level?
[13:28] <JimBuntu> chanikan, did you get the laptop to 100%, unplug the charger and then run power-calibrate?
[13:30] <chanikan> yes JimBuntu, I did that.  Afterwards the power still didn`t show the right values
[13:31] <chanikan> on this macbook it shows 75% when it is fully charged
[13:31] <rungcc_from_work> Hi guys. I'm having some trouble understanding the smartctr data received from my two ssd, could someone help me with those?
[13:32] <rungcc_from_work> https://ibb.co/bZP8oy
[13:32] <rungcc_from_work> https://ibb.co/h8j8oy
[13:32] <rungcc_from_work> this is my SDA (OS less /home)
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> chanikan: Does the laptop properly alert you when you're about to run out of power though?
[13:32] <rungcc_from_work> and this is my SDB
[13:33] <rungcc_from_work> https://ibb.co/kG1w8y         https://ibb.co/d39ioy
[13:33] <dunpeal> tomreyn: why 9.9.9.10?
[13:34] <JimBuntu> dunpeal, or 1.1.1.1, 1.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4
[13:35] <dunpeal> JimBuntu: what are these servers?
[13:35] <JimBuntu> They are all DNS
[13:35] <dunpeal> Also, how should I override the default DNS?  Write it to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base?
[13:35] <JimBuntu> Quad9's, the one they gave you, offers some protection from bad sites/attackers/etc.
[13:35] <dunpeal> JimBuntu: who runs these servers?
[13:36] <JimBuntu> CloudFlare, CloudFlare, Google, Google (for the ones I listed and in that order)
[13:36] <john_rambo> I just installed indicator-datetime ....How do I launch it ? $ indicator-datetime: command not found
[13:36] <dunpeal> JimBuntu: thanks!
[13:36] <chanikan> pragmaticenigma, on the laptop I tried using it, the lappy just shut down without warning
[13:36] <JimBuntu> There are many ways to change the DNS. I am not sure where the proxy/etc is located though... so, you can probably add them in your network manager GUI
[13:37] <chanikan> pragmaticenigma, I have still to actually run out of power on this one, I`ll try that and see what happens
[13:37] <doug16k> john_rambo, try sudo service indicator-datetime start
[13:38] <john_rambo> doug16k, Failed to start indicator-datetime.service: Unit indicator-datetime.service not found.
[13:38] <doug16k> oh. I did `apt-file list indicator-datetime` and saw a service file.
[13:39] <rungcc_from_work> Does anyone know how to interpret those smartctl images I've sent?
[13:39] <[twisti]> how can i change what /usr/bin/env returns ? its ignoring my path setting and i dont know how else i would go about changing it
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> chanikan: Apple support isn't the greatest with linux in general, apple likes to do a lot of screwy and proprietary stuff with their interfaces which makes it hard. Ubuntu and the rest make a best effort to use default protocols and interfaces to communicate with the compoenents, sometimes it works, sometimes it requiers a ton of tweaking.
[13:40] <JimBuntu> [twisti], Can you show how it's ignoring your path? i.e., show the results of `echo $PATH` and where you set the path to something different...
[13:41] <doug16k> john_rambo, how about sudo systemctl start indicator-datetime
[13:41] <[twisti]> JimBuntu: https://pastebin.com/d70Aheuk
[13:41] <chanikan> pragmaticenigma, ok.  The lappy that shut down without warning was an asus though
[13:41] <john_rambo> doug16k, Failed to start indicator-datetime.service: Unit indicator-datetime.service not found.
[13:41] <[twisti]> in case its not evident from the paste, ~ = /kunden/number/
[13:41] <[twisti]> so /kunden/number/bin is in the path, which is further confirmed by 'which php' finding it in there
[13:42] <mgedmin> [twisti]: I think your .bashrc adds stuff to PATH but forgets to 'export PATH' so subprocesses (like /usr/bin/env) also get the changed PATH value
[13:42] <[twisti]> but env is for some reason ignoring the path
[13:42] <[twisti]> ah, let me try that
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> rungcc_from_work: right now it looks like the two screen shots things are alright. The "Value" column counts down as issues are found. When "value" is less than or equal to "thresh" then you need to worry.
[13:42] <mgedmin> which is a shell builtin (and not a subprocess), so it would see the local setting
[13:43] <JimBuntu> [twisti], yeah, SSH into the server and check PATH there. looks like 1and1
[13:43] <[twisti]> mgedmin: i changed the ssh command to 'env; which php; php --version; export PATH; /usr/bin/env php --version' but it made no difference. did i misunderstand you ?
[13:43] <geirha> which is not a shell builtin in bash
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> rungcc_from_work: right now it looks like the two screen shots things are alright. The "Value" column counts down as issues are found. When "value" is less than or equal to "thresh" then you need to worry.
[13:43] <[twisti]> JimBuntu: the paths are identical, and the path is also printed in the pastebin :|
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> if there was a response previously.. I missed it when my network went down
[13:43] <mgedmin> [twisti]: looks like I was wrong
[13:44] <JimBuntu> [twisti], ok, next up might be to clear the bash hashes
[13:44] <[twisti]> meaning ?
[13:44] <dunpeal> Can anyone tell me how to override the default DNS provided by my network?
[13:44] <mgedmin> but hashes are per-process and every ssh invocation gets a new shell process
[13:44] <[twisti]> ah, no, i got it
[13:45] <[twisti]> it appears to be unable to resolve the ~ for some reason
[13:45] <geirha> yeah, don't put ~ in PATH
[13:45] <geirha> bash will parse it, env will not
[13:45] <[twisti]> when i hardcoded ~/bin into the command with the expanded thing, it worked
[13:45] <doug16k> rungcc_from_work, smartctl results look great. perfect
[13:45] <hamess_> i just upgraded from 17.10 to 18.04 and cant login now. gives blank purple screen
[13:45] <[twisti]> how odd. thanks, good to know
[13:45] <JimBuntu> good catch
[13:45] <hamess_> i this is happening a lot looking at askubuntu
[13:45] <hamess_> s/this/think
[13:46] <doug16k> rungcc_from_work, look at the value, higher is better. when it gets worse, value gets lower. when it gets all the way down to thresh, it's a failure
[13:46] <geirha> [twisti]: you probably just quoted the assignment by mistake.  PATH=~/bin:$PATH  #correct    PATH="~/bin:$PATH"  # bad
[13:46] <rungcc_from_work> doug16k: Dammt! I was afraid someone would answer this :( But thanks doug!!!
[13:46] <[twisti]> geirha: if someone did, it wasnt me. ~/bin was already there
[13:47] <rungcc_from_work> My ubuntu intel nuc skull canyon is freezing ALL THE TIME after I've replaced my old 32GB nvme with this two 256 lite-on 256gb ssd
[13:47] <[twisti]> the .bashrc contains this line:
[13:47] <geirha> the default .profile does prepend ~/bin to PATH yes, but without quoting it (so that the ~ gets expanded on assignment)
[13:47] <[twisti]> export PATH="~/bin:$PATH"
[13:47] <[twisti]> so thats probably it, like you said
[13:47] <rungcc_from_work> since the SSD were new, if the problem were with them, At least I could get a new piece for free from their warranty
[13:47] <geirha> yup, just remove the quotes and it'll be fine
[13:47] <geirha> or replace ~ with $HOME
[13:48] <rungcc_from_work> I'm also doing a whole memtest for my ram
[13:48] <rungcc_from_work> if those are not the problem, the problem could only be with the v1 synergy or some USB device (my DMESG is full of cant give address to usb device messages)
[13:50] <rungcc_from_work> I'm receiving a lot of device descriptor read/64, error -71 related to USB
[13:50] <rungcc_from_work> it could by my cooler master mech keyboard, or it could be something else, dunno
[13:50] <rungcc_from_work> the system is super unstable though, impossible to work in it.
[13:51] <doug16k> rungcc_from_work, what ubuntu version? I am getting USB errors similar to that since upgrading to 18.04 LTS, and it was perfect before on same hardware.
[13:51] <rungcc_from_work> 18.04 LTS
[13:51] <rungcc_from_work> SAME HERE!
[13:51] <rungcc_from_work> it was perfect on 16.04
[13:51] <JimBuntu> rungcc_from_work, I'm not having issues with Synergy 1.5.0
[13:52] <JimBuntu> Oh, I'm not running 18.04 though
[13:52] <rungcc_from_work> but packages of the distro were too old for some thing, so I upgraded
[13:52] <doug16k> rungcc_from_work, for me, disconnecting my USB 3.0 hub stopped the issue. do you use a superspeed hub?
[13:52] <rungcc_from_work> dunno, my hub is from a BR company, probably some chinese rebranded as brazilian
[13:52] <doug16k> I'm not sure whether it is something that I had on the hub, or the hub itself. I haven't spent much time trying to reduce it, yet
[13:53] <rungcc_from_work> but yes, I use one
[13:53] <rungcc_from_work> but the one that has an empty description on LSUSB isnt the hub
[13:53] <doug16k> my usb went so nuts that it was failing to detect a USB headset being plugged in :)
[13:54] <mgedmin> maybe try disabling usb autosuspend?  dunno, never seen similar problems :/
[13:54] <rungcc_from_work> my hub is a TP-LINK UH720
[13:54] <rungcc_from_work> can't find any info regarding superspeed
[13:54] <doug16k> mine is TP-LINK too. not sure exactly which one
[13:54] <doug16k> it's a very good hub. it's a multi-TT hub, which is excellent
[13:54] <rungcc_from_work> doug16k: 7 usb 3.0 ports, three with 1.5A and external power supply?
[13:55] <doug16k> exactly
[13:55] <Malgorath> pragmaticenigma, so far nothing worked, going to see if I can manually find or add the printer and set it as default that is in my office
[13:55] <rungcc_from_work> same as mine, probably with a different case... common for tplink
[13:56] <rungcc_from_work> I'm crazy with this problems... I'm almost downgrading to 16.4
[13:57] <rungcc_from_work> the freezing continue even with a clean install
[13:57] <rungcc_from_work> even with no program installed at all.
[13:58] <rungcc_from_work>  var/log/messages just do't exist (not found on terminal)
[13:58] <JimBuntu> /var/log/syslog?
[13:58] <rungcc_from_work> also nothing specific JimBuntu
[13:58] <rungcc_from_work> :(
[13:59] <rungcc_from_work> When booting I can see very quickly that some messages appear, but can't read them neither find them on the logs.
[13:59] <rungcc_from_work> It is really frustrating.
[13:59] <rungcc_from_work> I downloaded a new bios update, will try this at home today, god knows if it will solve...
[13:59] <mgedmin> journalctl doesn't show them?
[13:59] <rungcc_from_work> nops
[13:59] <rungcc_from_work> just the usual usb already mentioned
[14:00] <rungcc_from_work> and something about overload of packages on the nic
[14:00] <doug16k> I'm going to unplug everything from my hub and connect it, and see if it suddenly starts malfunctioning
[14:00] <rungcc_from_work> which was getting me curious that could it be synergy
[14:01] <JimBuntu> How many machines are you using synergy with, I use 5 and don't experience issues
[14:01] <rungcc_from_work> just 2
[14:01] <JimBuntu> killing synergy should be simple enough, for a test
[14:01] <rungcc_from_work> a mac mini running high sierra, directly connected to my nuc running 18.04
[14:02] <doug16k> rungcc_from_work, try: dmesg | less
[14:02] <doug16k> that should show you the boot messages assuming it hasn't flooded them off the top
[14:03] <rungcc_from_work> dmesg just show the usb and nic card thing
[14:04] <rungcc_from_work> PS: worth mentioning this is kind of just a brainstorm, I was up late yesterday trying to solve this, now, as nick points, I'm at work, should be home in 6 hours, then I'll update the bios and try everything again, new install, remove the hub, exchange ports, etc.
[14:05] <hamess_> anybody else having a similar problem?
[14:05] <hamess_> blank purple screen after upgrade to 18.04?
[14:07] <hamess_> reading about this on askubuntu it seems it is a gpu problem
[14:07] <hamess_> i dont even have a gpu
[14:09] <mgedmin> modern intel cpus have integrated gpus in them
[14:09] <mattiasb> A GPU is what puts pixels on your screen, you definitely have one unless your building very specific server- or embedded hardware
[14:10] <mgedmin> unfortunately I know nothing about the purple screen problem
[14:10] <NoImNotNineVolt> mgedmin: indeed, and they use the i915 driver, which is awesome.
[14:10] <hamess_> my bad
[14:10] <hamess_> i meant
[14:10] <hamess_> reading about this on askubuntu it seems it is an external gpu problem
[14:10] <mgedmin> ah
[14:11] <mgedmin> well, there could be more than one problem with the same symptom
[14:11] <francisv> JimBuntu: I remembered now why I initialized environment variables and '.bash_profile' and not '.bashrc' before.  Environment variables initialized in `.bashrc' are only inherited in Bash, but not stand alone applications.  In Ubuntu 17.10, the variables I used to initialize in `.bash_profile' where also inherited by stand-alone applications.
[14:11] <caiofs> Verify the xorg configuration.
[14:11] <francisv> How to initialize environment variables in Ubuntu 18.04, in a way that they are inherited by stand-alone applications?
[14:12] <hamess_> yes. i thought it was a display manager problem. ive reinstalled gdm... problem persists
[14:12] <JimBuntu> francisv, then perhaps put them in /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d/<files> - do they then?
[14:12] <francisv> those files are global
[14:12] <francisv> I need some local initialization
[14:12] <mgedmin> francisv: ubuntu's default ~/.profile sources ~/.bashrc; the difference between bash and other apps can be explained by presence (or absence) of 'export'
[14:13] <francisv> mgedmin: ok, I will try `~/.profile'.  Should I use `export' or not?
[14:14] <OtterCoder> Yo, when Unity was a thing I always set my keyboard to have mac-like modifier keys. Can I do that in GNOME?
[14:15] <mgedmin> francisv: if you want all apps to see those variables, then you should use export
[14:15] <francisv> ok, I have added some "export'
[14:15] <francisv> I will log out and in
[14:15] <francisv> brb
[14:16] <JimBuntu> francisv, if adding them to .profile isn't working, would you mind providing your .profile additions and tell us what apps aren't getting that info?
[14:16] <OtterCoder> Basically, I just want to be able to type macron, lambda, etc. easily again.
[14:18] <tomreyn> dunpeal: sorry, got side tracked. 9.9.9.10 is probably as good as any open dns server. this is by the quad9.com project.
[14:19] <dunpeal> tomreyn: thanks!
[14:19] <hamess_> caiofs: i reinstalled xorg as well. should that help?
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> rungcc_from_work: Just a thought, NUC are supposed to be low powered devices, getting a lot of USB errors that seem random is sometimes related to too much power draw on the USB Bus. Swap out the keyboard and mouse for a base units (no lights, no fancy buttons, etc) and see if that helps. Also, there is no official upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 yet for a reason. The upgrade path doesn't happen until 18.04.1 is
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> released (est late July)
[14:20] <francisv> mgedmin: JimBuntu: .profile made the trick.  Thank you.
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: The quad 9 dns is 9.9.9.9 ... 9.9.9.10 is their secondary and not recommended for full time use
[14:26] <doug16k> pragmaticenigma, upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 worked for me. I guess I'm lucky it worked
[14:26] <mgedmin> congratulations, doug16k!
[14:26] <mike_> !FlipMoran Boost your Presentation IQ -Proven Techniques for Winning Presentations and Speeches (2006) - Marilyn Pincus.pdf
[14:26]  * mgedmin had to recover with apt dist-upgrade -f
[14:26] <doug16k> I had to touch up a couple of things, a couple of packages weren't 100% right
[14:26] <doug16k> nothing major
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: It's not that isn't going to work, there just is no official upgrade yet.
[14:27]  * pragmaticenigma that sentence made my head hurt
[14:27] <laradestroyer> hi
[14:27] <laradestroyer> can you help me
[14:28] <laradestroyer> my wifi driver in ubuntu not working
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> laradestroyer: Please try to keep you messages to a single line, it makes it easier to read and for others to follow.
[14:29] <w4|k3r> laradestroyer: Can you please explain as to what is the error? As in whether the network manager applet is not being shown or the network card is not being detected...
[14:29] <laradestroyer> hi can you help me my wifi driver not working but my password is ok when i try to conect its say activation failed
[14:30] <wowza> is there a guide to locking down a system timezone? it seems that any user can change the global timezone in the settings panel of gnome. unless I'm missing something.
[14:30] <laradestroyer> my networkcard is being detected sir. and i can see my wifi turning on but when i try to connect input my password, it just connecting  only
[14:32] <laradestroyer> i also search in internet. not luck with their solutions
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> wowza: System time should remain in UTC with the timezone being a user setting, not a system setting
[14:34] <hamess_> just did `sudo startx` and it started. no idea why
[14:35] <wowza> pragmaticenigma: that would make sense, but if I change it in the gui and check it logged in as root with timedatectl it reflects the change.
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> how are you logging in as root? wowza
[14:36] <wowza> sudo su
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> wowza: That inherits the parent user's locale settings.
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> wowza: Also, I recommend using "sudo -i"
[14:37] <wowza> ah alright, I guess that would be the issue then, thanks.
[14:48] <mgedmin> re: timezones: there's /etc/localtime (which is system global and timestamps in log files use it), and regular users can change it (via the systemd service and timedatectl/system preferences)
[14:48] <mgedmin> but the hardware clock is in UTC
[14:49] <mgedmin> I think polkit decides whether users should be able to do this or not
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: anything in /etc requires elevated permissions to edit, unless something was manually changed
[14:50] <mgedmin> sure, and systemd-timedated.service is running as root when it updates the /etc/localtime symlink in response to d-bus commands
[14:50] <mgedmin> if polkit allows
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: something was manually changed, I mean elvated permissions were used to lower the requirement. I know a service can change settings, however they are usually part of the Root group which gives them that access
[14:51] <mgedmin> see /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.timedate1.policy
[14:52] <mgedmin> the default config requires that the user who does this is part of the sudo (or admin) group, yes
[14:53] <bn_work> hi, on Ubuntu 14.04, is `/etc/network/interfaces` the default location for network settings?
[14:54] <bn_work> (ex: IP address, netmask, gateway, whether DHCP is used)
[14:54] <mgedmin> bn_work: yes, unless you use NetworkManager, which is usual for desktops
[14:54] <wowza> I added a new user and logged in as them, it seems using gnome to set the timezone also affected this user.
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> wowza: was the new user part of the sudo users?
[14:55] <codercat> I am here becuse people think im trolling when I say I use libuntu
[14:55] <codercat> do I open pkg files with the synaptic package manager
[14:55] <bn_work> mgedmin:  this is a server, not sure if it has GUI installed though.  If it's NM, where does it store it's config?  and how would I confirm if NM  is handling it?
[14:55] <wowza> pragmaticenigma: the user that changed the timezone was in the sudoers group, the one I checked it with was not.
[14:55] <mgedmin> bn_work: well, check /etc/network/interfaces, if you see any settings there, forget NM
[14:56] <mgedmin> (NM by default ignores any interfaces that are already configured in /etc/network/interfaces)
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> wowza: Take a look at this support article, I think this is what is needed to prevent users from changing the time zone
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> https://askubuntu.com/a/932563
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> codercat: There is no Ubuntu flavor called libuntu... are you thinking of lubuntu?
[14:57] <john_rambo> Is there a analog clock for Ubuntu 18.04 desktop ?
[14:57] <codercat> I think so
[14:57] <bn_work> mgedmin: when I checked all it really had was `auto eth0` `iface eth0 inet dhcp`
[14:57] <codercat> for some reason my vm is called libuntu
[14:57] <mgedmin> bn_work: yeah, those are settings ;)
[14:59] <codercat> so anyhow Im trying to install virtualbox guest editions and I assume I have to double click the .pkg file
[15:00] <bn_work> mgedmin:  "NM by default ignores any interfaces that are already configured in /etc/network/interfaces" meaning it will use what's defined there?  or NM's config?
[15:01] <DashSec> hi there..
[15:01] <DashSec> i try lib32stdc++6 lib32ncurses5 lib32z1 in ubuntu
[15:01] <DashSec> E: Unable to locate package lib32stdc++6
[15:01] <DashSec> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'lib32stdc++6'
[15:01] <DashSec> E: Unable to locate package lib32ncurses5
[15:01] <DashSec> E: Unable to locate package lib32z1
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> codercat: We do not support Virtual Box here, we only support installing the package from the package repository and application. Any guest OS you install into VirtualBox is outside the scope of our support
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | DashSec
[15:02] <DashSec> how i can install lib32stdc++6 lib32ncurses5 lib32z1
[15:02] <codercat> ok lets pretend this is a real installation
[15:02] <DashSec> how i can install lib32stdc++6 lib32ncurses5 lib32z1 in ubuntu 32 bit?
[15:03] <pragmaticenigma> codercat: Virtual Box Guest Editions is not provided by Ubuntu. We cannot help you
[15:03] <codercat> how do I install "this .pkg file" on my real libuntu install
[15:03] <mgedmin> bn_work: network manager by default doesn't manage network interfaces that are mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:03] <pragmaticenigma> codercat: You still haven't established if you are running libuntu or lubuntu.
[15:03] <codercat> lubuntu
[15:04] <leftyfb> DashSec: what version of ubuntu?
[15:04] <DashSec> leftyfb:zesty 32 bit
[15:05] <leftyfb> codercat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/GuestAdditions
[15:05] <leftyfb> DashSec: you'll need to upgrade. Zesty is EOL
[15:05] <leftyfb> !eol | DashSec
[15:06] <vlix> Hi
[15:06] <vlix> Is it possible to use openbsd on Ubuntu?
[15:06] <vlix> VM
[15:07] <leftyfb> vlix: try #openbsd
[15:08] <codercat> thanks
[15:08] <vlix> I must register :(
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> codercat: what is the output of "cat /etc/lsb-release | grep DISTRIB_ID"
[15:08] <|> oops
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> !nick | vlix
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> !register | vlix
[15:09] <hispeed> I have installed 18.04 and installed some software (Kopano) on it. I shutted down the virtual machine. It was possible for me to access this fresh installation via SSH. now I started Ubuntu again but I can't login via SSH. When I go via the hostsystem I can login as root. I don't know what happend. For me it looks like I have not installed something but why is it possible to use ssh the first
[15:09] <hispeed> time you boot your server up and the second not?!?
[15:10] <codercat> distrib ID=Ubuntu
[15:11] <vlix> pragmaticenigma: thanks but I know how to register but I'm not interested in registering
[15:11] <codercat> yeah this works now :)
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> vlix: Registering is simple, and doesn't require anything beyond an e-mail address. All it does is grant you access to rooms that are attempting to avoid being spammed
[15:13] <vlix> pragmaticenigma: yes :)
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> codercat: what is working?
[15:13] <_Slartibartfast> !register
[15:14] <codercat> virtualbox and vbox guest extentions
[15:15] <doug16k> mgedmin, took about 15 minutes for my USB to go haywire after connecting my hub. after rebooting, I added usbcore.autosuspend=-1 to my kernel command line and did `echo -1 | sudo tee /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend`, then connected my hub. Hopefully you're right about autosuspend provoking the issue. thanks
[15:17] <vlix> wandering777 connection seems to be faulty
[15:19] <Dbugger> Weird bug, my people: I start up my computer, and I write my password in the login screen. It all turns purple and nothing happens, so I do CRTL+ALT+F4 and then back CRTL+ALT+F1, to see if it gets unstuck, and I get welcomed again by the "select a user screen". I click on my profile and the password field appears. I try to type a character, but suddenly I get turned back to the "Choose a user" screen. Like this
[15:19] <Dbugger> again and again. I gotta reboot the PC to login without problems. What could be the problem here??
[15:20] <codercat> how do I create a usb boot disk so I can boot lubuntu on real hardware
[15:21] <codercat> and without overwriting my windows bootloader/uefi thingy
[15:22] <codercat> hell I just typed reboot into run and it knew what to do!
[15:22] <codercat> and virtualbox. try doin that in windozey
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> codercat: Aside from this isn't windows chat... you can reboot windows from the command line. You can also create a USB disk following these instructions: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[15:25] <nicomachus> how do I specify a port besides 22 with rsync? the man page seems unclear
[15:25] <codercat> oh I know, im just saying its easyer on lubuntu
[15:26] <codercat> ah there is no try option for lubuntu on its installer ISO
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> nicomachus: port 22 is for SSH, Rsync can work over SSH for remote connection (especially important for connecting over the internet)
[15:26] <codercat> I dont wanna install it yet
[15:27] <nicomachus> pragmaticenigma: right, but my ssh port is not 22
[15:27] <codercat> oh wait there is an option. its just hard to see
[15:27] <nicomachus> pragmaticenigma: I want it to work over my ssh port, but I've changed that away from 22 to stop all the chinese traffic that just tries to bombard anything open on 22
[15:28] <JimBuntu> nicomachus, user@host:port
[15:28]  * JimBuntu also doesn't use port 22
[15:28] <nicomachus> JimBuntu: I tried that... user@host:port/src/destination/path, but that doesn't seem correct and it still failed to connect to 22.
[15:29] <ioria> nicomachus, rsync -avz -e "ssh -p $myport" user@host:/path/to/files/  /local/path/
[15:29] <nicomachus> ioria: THAT'S how I did it before!
[15:29] <nicomachus> Thanks friendo.
[15:29] <ioria> np
[15:29] <JimBuntu> or that. I must have misread the man
[15:29] <nicomachus> JimBuntu: the man isn't real clear, and idk if ioria's method is mentioned anywhere there.
[15:29] <JimBuntu> ah, note, my way is for the daemon
[15:30] <mgedmin> nicomachus: if you do this often, best create a ~/.ssh/config that specifies the port for your host
[15:30] <leftyfb> codercat: please keep the narrative to yourself. This is a support channel.
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> I think I used something similar nicomachus... I also run SSH on a different port to avoid the drivebys
[15:30] <nicomachus> mgedmin: that's all set, no worries there. I don't like to set it for rsync though because when I rsync with other machines locally I still use 22
[15:31] <nicomachus> now I'm just getting broken pipe because the source destination has an escape character in the path. just need to change the folder name I guess and I'll be set.
[15:32] <mgedmin> nicomachus: I didn't mean a global setting, but for that specific host
[15:33] <mgedmin> you can set per-host settings like username/port and even hostname (so you can use short nicknames like 'ssh foo' to connect to foo.example.com)
[15:34] <pau> ouais
[15:34] <pau> oui
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> !fr | pau
[15:36] <ZipCPU> Hello!  I just installed xubuntu 18.04, (after trying ubuntu 18.04), and my computer crashes when the GUI starts up.  I can start the system in single user mode, in init level 3, but not with the GUI mode.  The xorg log contains an error about xf8EnableIOPorts failing.  If I catch it before it crashes, there's a timeout and kernel stack trace in the nouveau driver.  Any thoughts regarding how I should diagnose this?
[15:36] <pau> hello
[15:37] <nicomachus> mgedmin: real users set aliases. :D
[15:40] <JimBuntu> nicomachus, using ~/.ssh/config allows you to use sftp/scp/etc by calling the hostname, probably more
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> in other words... real users setup their machines so they don't need shortcuts?
[15:44] <mgedmin> real users are diverse and do all sorts of things
[15:47] <nicholasBPM> Im running 16.04 and I would like to get crontab for my user to run an GUI app, I have tried everything I found on google but nothing works.
[15:48] <matjam> cron runs as a new login, with no GUI environment.
[15:48] <matjam> you'd need an application that runs inside your gnome-shell that can then run the program for you.
[15:49] <matjam> a gui editor for cron, will not work.
[15:49] <nicholasBPM> matjam, thanks!
[15:49] <ioria> nicholasBPM, you need to set display
[15:50] <ioria> nicholasBPM, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto#GUI_Applications
[15:50] <nicholasBPM> ioria, I tried that, it do not work
[15:50] <matjam> yeah you could set the environment variable for DISPLAY and then modify the security of your xorg to allow any unauthenticated program to connect from localhost
[15:50] <ioria> nicholasBPM, it works here ...
[15:50] <ioria> nicholasBPM, what gui  is that ?
[15:51] <deadhand-1> hey guys, i have some questions about LXD in a Ubuntu server VM
[15:51] <nicholasBPM> ioria, xfce4
[15:52] <deadhand-1> I understand directory based storage is generally not recommended, and that ZFS is preferred, but is it safe to run ZFS in a VM?
[15:52] <ioria> nicholasBPM, the whole DE ???
[15:52] <ioria> nicholasBPM, the specific app, i mean
[15:52] <deadhand-1> not looking for ZFS to handle underlying RAID or anything, mainly interested in the checksumming to detect silent data corruption
[15:53] <nicholasBPM> ioria, sorry, the app is an python app
[15:53] <deadhand-1> unfortunately the underlying hypervisor is Hyper-V
[15:53] <ioria> nicholasBPM, ok... which one ?
[15:53] <blackflow> deadhand-1: a bit of an overkill, but definitely not unsafe or anything like that.
[15:54] <nicholasBPM> ioria, it is one that i have written myself, it uses x for one part.
[15:54] <deadhand-1> blackflow: i figure it might also be useful to detect if there's issues with the underlying hardware, since Windows is kind of useless at detecting silent data corruption.
[15:55] <nicholasBPM> matjam, thanks I will look in to that.
[15:55] <ioria> nicholasBPM, so the problem is not cron, is your app; maybe you need to set other variables
[15:55] <blackflow> deadhand-1: yup. and if you really wanna be a perv, you can even set copies=2 on the dataset for automatic healing in case of detected corruption :)    note, that will halve your write bandwidth
[15:56] <deadhand-1> Oh yeah, i've read about that feature too :p
[15:56] <nicholasBPM> ioria, the app works fine when i run it localy on the server or if i ssh to the server and export display and run it.
[15:56] <deadhand-1> The underlying storage is essentially RAID controllers so i'm relying on the disks / RAID controller to not lie to me... but you never know
[15:56] <deadhand-1> hardware raid*
[15:59] <ioria> nicholasBPM, just tried a python-gtk small app and it works ...
[16:01] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  have you checked syslog ?
[16:02] <nicholasBPM> ioria, do you run xhost +xlocal: ?
[16:02] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  nope
[16:03] <nicholasBPM> ioria, i do not have a pysical display connected to the server.. could that be something?
[16:04] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  sure, you need to specify the screen
[16:04] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  "The env DISPLAY=:0.0 portion will tell cron to use the first screen of the current display for the program "gui_appname". "
[16:05] <nicholasBPM> ioria, so the error could be i do not have a display=:0 ?
[16:05] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  i can tell you that the issue might be in the display, yes (set the correct one)
[16:06] <nicholasBPM> ioria, thank you for all your help, how do i find the correct display?
[16:07] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  echo $DISPLAY
[16:08] <nicholasBPM> ioria, yeah on my headless server it returns nothing but on my workstation it returns :0
[16:10] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  and you want it to show up on the workstation  , right ?
[16:11] <nicholasBPM> ioria, nope i want it to show up on the server
[16:11] <genii> If you need for some reason to have your headless machine have a display to export, you're going to need to install xvfb
[16:12] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  does the server have a DE ?
[16:12] <nicholasBPM> genii, i have an app called xvfb-run.. is it that one?
[16:12] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  genii ^^
[16:13] <nicholasBPM> ioria, sorry what is a DE?
[16:13] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  desktop environment
[16:13] <genii> nicholasBPM: That's part of it, yes
[16:14] <nicholasBPM> ioria, yes it has a desktop enviroment, if i connect with remote desktop the app works fine
[16:16] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP   (on the server)
[16:17] <nicholasBPM> ioria, when connected with ssh i get nothing as a reply
[16:18] <ioria> nicholasBPM,  ssh -Y
[16:21] <chealy> iv
[16:23] <francisv> I just upgraded Ubuntu 17.10 to 18.04 in a MacBook Pro 7,1.  The computer blocks when booting.  In the Call Trace I see many "nouveau".  So I imagine is something with the video drivers.  How can I boot the computer without initializing this driver?
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> you could try adding nomodeset to the boot options
[16:24] <francisv> how can I do that?
[16:27] <kiriuha> qemu
[16:27] <kiriuha> ll
[16:27] <kiriuha> yes
[16:27] <kiriuha> my
[16:27] <kiriuha> quit
[16:27] <kiriuha> del
[16:28] <kiriuha> rd
[16:28] <kiriuha> ed
[16:28] <kiriuha> insoa;;
[16:28] <kiriuha> uninstallre
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> kiriuha: try "/quit"
[16:29] <kiriuha> hello
[16:29] <kiriuha> ?
[16:29] <kiriuha> ll
[16:29] <kiriuha> you
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> !ru | kiriuha
[16:31] <kiriuha> you
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> francisv: I do not know... I personally wouldn't have done the upgrade yet, as there are still bugs being worked on
[16:32] <francisv> some keywords from the error I see in the computer: nouveau xwayland failed to idle channel 128 ubuntu
[16:32] <francisv> and then a bunch of errors (in terminal) starting with nouveau
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> francisv: There's the problem... Nvidia does not support wayland
[16:33] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: oh no!
[16:33] <kiriuha> Robot
[16:34] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: how can I change the boot configuration, so I do not use wayland
[16:34] <kiriuha> you
[16:34] <kiriuha> you
[16:34] <kiriuha> you
[16:34] <kiriuha> you
[16:34] <kiriuha> you
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> to my knowledge you cannot set that on boot
[16:35] <francisv> any idea how can I make my old MacBook Pro 7,1 with GTX970 video card from Nvidia work with Ubuntu 18.04?
[16:35] <francisv> or I have to downgrade to Ubuntu 17.10?
[16:35] <francisv> Ubuntu 17.10 was working perfectly.
[16:36] <pragmaticenigma> francisv: You might need to reinstall and make sure you choose X.org
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> francisv: It's not the version of Ubuntu, it's the incompatibility of Wayland with the nvidia drivers
[16:37] <francisv> I did not see any option to choose X.org over Wayland when I did the upgrade
[16:37] <francisv> I thought Ubuntu 18.04 went back to X.org as default for compatibility
[16:38] <francisv> is there a way to log in my computer in terminal, and change some config file to use X.org instead of Wayland?
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know why this happened francisv ... When you upgrade, everything should still be working. I don't know how you had wayland working with nvidia drivers in 17.10
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> that's the only way I can think that it happend, was that you had it configured that way in 17.10
[16:40] <Jonta> francisv: tty? Ctrl+Alt+F1
[16:40] <tomreyn> booting into recovery, then purging gdm3 + lightdm, then installing gdm3 could probably work
[16:40] <francisv> Jonta: the computer is all blocked
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> Jonta: That doesn't work in 18.04... tty1 is now the default GUI
[16:41] <Jonta> TIL. And tty2?
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> tty2 on up are still in their standard locations
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> francisv: At this point, I would boot to a live USB/CD and backup your files and install fresh
[16:42] <Jonta> If you can boot to live USB, can't you change the config from there?
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> francisv: The alternative require chrooting and all sorts of fun with no guarantee that the machine will be workable again.
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> Jonta: Don't recommend things you aren't prepared to support
[16:43] <francisv> I have nothing to backup.  All my files are in git repositories
[16:43] <francisv> so no problem formatting everything
[16:43] <francisv> I think that will be faster
[16:43] <Jonta> pragmaticenigma: Hence the questionmarks
[16:44] <francisv> I will try a clean install then
[16:44] <Jonta> Good luck
[16:44] <francisv> so, just to double check and don't repeat the same error, Ubuntu 18.04 should work on this computer with Nvidia GTX970 right?
[16:44] <francisv> I just have to double check X.org is used
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> Jonta: Again, don't recommend things you aren't knowledgeable enough to help someone work with.
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> francisv: To the best of my knowledge 18.04 will install X.org by default. Nvidia drivers will work with X.org... I'd stay away from wayland until it becomes mainstream in all distros
[16:46] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: yes, I have no idea why this upgrade when to Wayland :-/
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> francisv pragmaticenigma we have users reporting latest nvidia driver version doing nice progress on wayland
[16:47] <Jonta> pragmaticenigma: These were not meant as recommendations
[16:53] <bn_work> hi, I noticed after a reboot I suddenly was unable to SSH or access any service on a cloud 14.04 LTS box, I connected a graphical VNC console to it via our cloud provider, logged in and noticed messages like `[UFW BLOCK] ... SRC=<my_ip>` in my `/var/log/syslog` even though `sudo ufw status` reports `Status: inactive`.  What gives?
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> bn_work: You need to contact the cloud service provider
[16:59] <sruli> does a network card need to support nic bonding? i set it up yesterday on a server works fine, now i am trying on a old server but not working
[17:01] <bn_work> pragmaticenigma:   the log file clearly shows UFW blocking it so not sure what it has to do with them.
[17:02] <Sbur3> Can someone help me quick to get my scanner (mutlipurpose) Brother MFC6490CW to scan?
[17:02] <Sbur3> It prints, copies, but doesn't seem to accept to scan
[17:04] <sruli> Sbur3: are you using sane for scanning?
[17:06] <doug16k> Sbur3, by default, only root can scan... 1 sec, let me try to find the workaround I used
[17:08] <doug16k> Sbur3, do you have the file /etc/udev/rules.d/60-brother-libsane-type1-inst.rules ?
[17:08] <Leoneof> linux is pita
[17:08] <Leoneof> that is.
[17:09] <johndorie> Hey guys, any idea on how to make PulseAudio to remember settings even after reboot.
[17:10] <doug16k> Sbur3, if so, add this line at the bottom: ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes"
[17:11] <Sbur3> sruli: Yes, or SimpleScan
[17:12] <Pinkamena_D> is there an ubuntu-social or ubuntu-general chat?
[17:12] <Sbur3> doug16k: But it worked in the past - that's what bothers me
[17:13] <Sbur3> doug16k: That's a good question.  I'll look to see if I have it or not (/etc/udev/ ... but it prints and copies.
[17:13] <longTOM> any one here?
[17:13] <longTOM> hi?
[17:13] <nicomachus> longTOM: about 1500, yea
[17:13] <longTOM> really ?
[17:13] <longTOM> i am so excited
[17:14] <nicomachus> longTOM: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[17:14] <longTOM> no ,i am lonely
[17:14] <longTOM> my girl broke up with me
[17:14] <nicomachus> longTOM: ok, this channel is ubuntu support only. You can use #ubuntu-offtopic for anything lse.
[17:14] <nicomachus> else*
[17:14] <nicomachus> or ##chat
[17:15] <doug16k> Sbur3, yes, I know. when I installed my brother printer, it printed and scanned right away after installing. scan didn't work, just error. turns out only root can scan (defect of brother installer). that config line I quoted allows normal users to scan
[17:15] <longTOM> sure
[17:15] <longTOM> thanks
[17:15] <Sbur3> doug16k: Just one difference with the file thing ... it doesn't have the part "inst" before "rules"
[17:15] <SimonNL> #ubuntu-offtopic    <=  Pinkamena_D    your answer
[17:15] <doug16k> oops I mean printed and copied right away
[17:15] <doug16k> Sbur3, that one is probably right - I'd expect small differences in that name
[17:15] <Pinkamena_D> ‎SimonNL, thanks
[17:16] <bn_work> when UFW prints a `[UFW BLOCK]` line, is that just saying that specific request was blocked?  or that request AND any subsequent request was blocked?
[17:16] <doug16k> Sbur3, you'd at least need to `sudo service saned restart` or even reboot the whole machine if that doesn't work right away
[17:17] <bn_work> s/was blocked/will be blocked/
[17:17] <doug16k> Sbur3, it worked for me 1st try when I applied that
[17:17] <Sbur3> doug16k: How do I add that?  With a nano thing?
[17:17] <doug16k> ya. sudo nano thatfilename
[17:17] <slingamn> i was wondering if anyone could help me diagnose this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1770919 it might be an upstream systemd bug
[17:18] <doug16k> add that line at the bottom, ctrl-x, y, enter
[17:19] <phinxy> In chown manual it says --no-preserve-root is the default.  How can I change the default to the option that is safer?
[17:20] <bronne> disabling automount of removable devices in the gui has no effect. USB storage devices still automount.
[17:20] <phinxy> I
[17:20] <longTOM> any porn star here ?
[17:20] <nicomachus> !ot | longTOM
[17:20] <nicomachus> !coc > longTOM
[17:20] <nicomachus> !guidelines > longTOM
[17:20] <bronne> bn_work, yes it means the connection was blocked
[17:21] <nicomachus> !guidelines > longTOM
[17:21] <longTOM> www.xvideos.com
[17:22] <bn_work> bronne:  thanks for the reply.  but is it saying that just for *that* packet / TCP request session?  or that AND any subsequent attempt?
[17:22] <bronne> bn_work, just for that connection attempt
[17:22] <longTOM> www.pornhub.com
[17:23] <bronne> bn_work subsequent attempts will generate new log entries.
[17:23] <nicomachus> longTOM: stop now.
[17:23] <phinxy> Is this kind of spam common here?
[17:23] <Sbur3> doug16k: I have a part of what you suggested I add in the file
[17:23] <johndorie> longTOM: seriously, is this the best you could do?
[17:23] <nicomachus> phinxy: no
[17:24] <longTOM> i am 7 years old
[17:25] <longTOM> aa
[17:25] <longTOM> any one here ?
[17:25] <Sbur3> instead of ATTRS(idvendor-=="04f9",ENV(libsane_matched)="yes"    I have in the thing ATTRS(idvendor)=="04f9", GOTO="brother_mfp_udev_2"
[17:25] <longTOM> i need help
[17:25] <Pici> longTOM: with what?
[17:26] <longTOM> with my body
[17:26] <Sbur3> Followed by GOTO="brother_mfp_end"
[17:26] <Pici> longTOM: This channel is for Ubuntu support only, if you don't have a question about Ubuntu please depart.
[17:26] <doug16k> Sbur3, you don't remove anything, you should just add the new line
[17:27] <Sbur3> doug16k: So the line that looks a little like that stays and I don't change it?  And I put it after the GOTO?
[17:27] <bn_work> bronne: hmm... does UFW run during boot to protect it until it's up before disabling itself?  if so, I wonder if this log entry is a red herring then as I don't see any subsequent entries when I try to ssh to it, but still am blocked :/  I took a look at `sudo iptables -L INPUT -v -n` but am not sure if the results are normal or not
[17:27] <sdfgssd> longTOM, what help do you need with your body
[17:27] <Sbur3> doug16k: And that should fix the problem?
[17:27] <longTOM> i am the god of the world , how could i leave you guys alone
[17:27] <nicomachus> sdfgssd: let Pici handle please.
[17:28] <Dbugger> Pici, lol
[17:28] <sdfgssd> wow what
[17:28] <doug16k> Sbur3, yes, just put that line at the bottom. yes it should start scanning right away. if it still doesn't work, try rebooting then try scanning again. should work
[17:28] <sdfgssd> is it my client ? it says he left the channel he didn't get kicked
[17:28] <nicomachus> don't worry about it, let's get back on topic
[17:28] <doug16k> Sbur3, I had the exact same problem with a multifunction brother printer
[17:28] <bn_work> ugh, thank god, that was childish
[17:28] <sdfgssd> thats ironic. He could have been god
[17:29] <hggdh> sdfgssd: please stop
[17:29] <sdfgssd> ok
[17:31] <Sbur3> doug16k: haven't found it to work yet, but will reboot
[17:32] <Sbur3> doug16k: and thx for your patience
[17:32] <bronne> bn_work, if you ran "ufw enable" then it should run on boot. Im not 100% sure it will log recurring identical attempts (same ip and port) [there might be a timer to keep the log sane]. Try to ssh on 3 different ports in a row it should def. generate 3 entries (unless you have some extra SSH bruteforce protection).
[17:33] <bronne> bn_work, you could try to increase the log level.
[17:33] <bn_work> bronne:  fail2ban appears to be on this box, when I tried to SSH, it was over the course of 1 hour or so
[17:35] <bn_work> bronne:  ok, just tried checking `sudo iptables -L INPUT -v -n` on another Ubuntu box (granted it's 16.04.2 LTS VS 14.04 LTS though) where UFW is disabled/inactive and it doesn't show any rules.
[17:36] <bronne> bn_work,  you should probably use UFW to manage the rules. iptable + UFW is asking for trouble if you are not super careful.
[17:36] <bn_work> bronne:  yeah, I didn't set this (pandora's!) box up unfortunately :(
[17:37] <bn_work> bronne: I basically inherited this and noticed when it rebooted, nothing could talk to it
[17:37] <bronne> bn_work, btw. i can confirm that log level low to high uses rate limiting. use log level full to disable rate limiting.
[17:38] <bn_work> bronne:  the thing I don't understand though is ufw reports it's inactive so it shouldn't be a factor at this point, no?
[17:39] <bronne> bn_work, no then its not ufw. But if UFW is writing to the logs then something is happening.
[17:39] <bn_work> bn_work: yeah, that's what I'm confused about
[17:40] <bn_work> bronne: the only thing I can think of is that it stays on during boot as a security measure until the kernel / OS is completely up and then disables itself if it sees that it is set to inactive?
[17:41] <spuniun> I just replaced my motherboard with a z370 chipset and cannot for the life of me get iGPU detected
[17:42] <spuniun> 4.15 should have unconditional support for z370
[17:42] <spuniun> but no luck
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: sudo lshw -C video ?
[17:43] <spuniun> https://hastebin.com/igumiqaraf.pl
[17:43] <bronne> bn_work, unlikely.  you can try to run "sudo ufw enable" and "sudo ufw disable" to be "sure".
[17:43] <linux_noobian> anyone here install ut2004 on ubuntu?
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> !info playonlinux | linux_noobian or wine
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: any bios settings you can enable or disable? card shows unclaimed
[17:45] <spuniun> I made sure that primary graphics was set to onboard already
[17:45] <ioria> spuniun, already tried  i915.alpha_support=1   ?
[17:45] <spuniun> yes
[17:45] <bronne> bn_work, and also check sudo systemctl show ufw.service
[17:45] <spuniun> [    0.000000] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-20-generic root=UUID=d1389cfd-58df-433d-8558-354e614c5860 ro i915.alpha_support=1
[17:45] <spuniun> but 4.15 shouldn't need it
[17:45] <doug16k> should it pause for 31 seconds before printing "random: crng init done" during boot? :D (CPU is fast)
[17:46] <bn_work> bronne: are you aware of any document that explains the column meanings or has annotated output of `iptables -L INPUT`?  I looked in `man iptables` and googled around a bit but couldn't find any info
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: just curious, other ubuntu versions detect it?
[17:46] <spuniun> I'm about to boot up 18 live usb to test that lotuspsychje
[17:46] <spuniun> was gunna test 16 live usb but I figure that kernel will be too old
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: you tested 4.15 from another ubuntu version?
[17:47] <doug16k> fast = 8 core (16 thread) 3.7GHz base, 4.3GHz boost, 64GB ECC DDR4, 1TB 960 Pro M.2 SSD
[17:47] <bronne> bn_work, https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/01/iptables-fundamentals/  helps
[17:47] <spuniun> lotuspsychje, like installing 4.15 from 17 or 18 dist?
[17:47] <spuniun> sounds scary :)
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: i just wanna know wich version you testing from now?
[17:48] <bronne> bn_work, and archwiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/iptables#Tables
[17:48] <spuniun> linux-image-4.15.0-20-generic/xenial
[17:49] <bronne> bn_work, apologies if its a RTFM answer but iptables have a bit of a learning curve.
[17:49] <SCHAPiE> anyone play with that Canonical Livepatching Service already?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: ok tnx, what does ubuntu-drivers list show you?
[17:49] <gyani> I'm trying to update 17.04 (zetsy) to Bionic. Recently I had changed the sources list to use old-releases.archive.ubuntu.com instead of the original one. do-release-upgrade edits seems to perform an update. Then it replaces the old-releases with "in" and then it complains that the IP addresses aren't found. How do I correct this?
[17:50] <doug16k> SCHAPiE, I actually want a kernel build with that live patch crap off and optimizations fully enabled
[17:50] <SCHAPiE> gyani: after 17.04, there is/was 17.10
[17:50] <SCHAPiE> and after that, 18.04
[17:50] <gyani> I missed that update somehow. :(
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> gyani: zesty is end of life
[17:50] <gyani> How do I jump from 17.04 to 18.04?
[17:50] <SCHAPiE> doug16k: cool, i just saw the notice in my /etc/motd while logging onto my server
[17:51] <SCHAPiE> thought i'd ask about it
[17:51] <gyani> I don't even mind moving to 171.0 temporarily if that's what is required :)
[17:51] <gyani> *17.10
[17:51] <spuniun> ubuntu-drivers list? I'm not familiar with that lotuspsychje
[17:51] <bronne> spuniun, lsmod?
[17:52] <spuniun> bronne, there is no video driver loaded
[17:53] <ioria> spuniun, it's coffee lake , right ?
[17:53] <spuniun> yes
[17:53] <ioria> spuniun, and are you booting 18.04 livecd ?
[17:53] <spuniun> I'mma walk over there with the USB in a sec and test that
[17:55] <bronne> gyani, what did you try so far?
[17:55] <gyani> I've tried the update manager and do-release-upgrade.
[17:56] <gyani> bronne, Both end up complaining that certain in.archive.ubuntu.com repositories aren't available even though my /etc/apt/sources.lst uses old-releases.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:56] <gyani> bronne, they edit the sources list during the update :(
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> gyani: as 17.04 is a time eol, would you still trust your system? consider a clean install of a supported version?
[17:58] <bn_work> bronne:  thanks & no worries, appreciate your help regardless (these days I'm mostly in CentOS/RHEL-land, so I deal with firewalld more so than iptables)
[17:58] <gyani> lotuspsychje, I could do a clean install, I am a little worried about all the things that I'll have ton install all over again.
[17:58] <bronne> bn_work, cheers
[17:58] <bn_work> since most of our boxes are those, but we still have some Ubuntu boxes
[18:00] <bronne> gyani, you probably will but the system will be a lot less messy.
[18:01] <doug16k> is it crazy to install kernel 4.16.6 from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16.6/ on my 18.04 install? That version fixes k10temp on 2nd gen ryzen
[18:01] <gyani> I'll try to see if there is a way to move from an eol to the next lts, if nothing works out. I'll just do a clean install over the weekend :)
[18:02] <gyani> I have so many things running on the current system that I don't use, a fresh start sounds lovely.
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> !info aptoncd | gyani
[18:02] <bronne> doug16k, nope but you should prob. back up first. stuff might break now or with future upgrade.
[18:04] <spuniun> yeah, so 18 live usb detects i915
[18:04] <spuniun> was really hoping to not have to do a release upgrade
[18:04] <gyani> lotuspsychje, too bad it isn't on bionic :(. A fresh install won't be too bad I guess. I'll install packages  as I need them.
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> gyani: ok mate good luck :p
[18:08] <spuniun> think I should install mainline kernels for 16 to see if they resolve?
[18:09] <spuniun> I assumed the package versions would be same
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: you could try that indeed
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | spuniun
[18:15] <bn_work> what is the last unlabeled column in an `iptables -L`output?
[18:15] <bn_work> state?
[18:16] <bn_work> comment/description?
[18:23] <bn_work> it looks like it's options? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/119626/what-does-the-last-column-in-this-ip-table-mean
[18:23] <bn_work> doesn't help that the man page says nothing about it :/
[18:29] <SporkWitch> bn_work: -S is more useful, but it's additional matching rules (e.g. related established)
[18:30] <bn_work> SporkWitch: so something like `sudo iptables -S INPUT -v -n --line-numbers`?
[18:30] <SporkWitch> man iptables
[18:31] <spuniun> yay, 4.15.18-041518-generic loads the i915
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> !yay | spuniun
[18:31] <spuniun> thanks folks
[18:32] <spuniun> you free support idlers always makes my heart swell
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: and thank you for your clear questions
[18:34] <bn_work> SporkWitch: ah, so `-S` kinda shows the commands that added the rules
[18:36] <gyani> lotuspsychje, I just commented out the in.archive.ubuntu.com changes made by do-release-upgrade just before it fetches those repositories and it went through. fetching 3k mb of packages now.
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> gyani: why do you keep trying rescueing 17.04?
[18:38] <gyani> lotuspsychje, inertia
[18:39] <spuniun> and hardware acceleration confirmed, thanks again lotuspsychje and others
[18:39] <SporkWitch> maybe he likes unity? lol
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> spuniun: tnx 4 the feedback
[19:19] <solsTiCe> hi. I just permantly removed with nautilus a directory on a mounted samba share. nautilus shows it as gone. but it's not. I refresh with f5 and it's still there. I had to use a terminal and rm -rf it in /run/usr/1000/gvfs/.... Anyone sees a bug like that ? it's gnome 3.28 on ubuntu 18.04.
[19:20] <nicomachus> solsTiCe: probably because you didn't have nautilus running as root?
[19:20] <solsTiCe> as root ?? why should I ? that's non sese
[19:20] <nicomachus> if the file required root to remove it
[19:21] <solsTiCe> If I could remove from the terminal as a user there is no need to be root
[19:21] <solsTiCe> there is no file owned by root there.
[19:30] <fragtastic-temp> back again with more drive problems
[19:30] <fragtastic-temp> Got the disks utility reporting the wrong size
[19:31] <fragtastic-temp> Ubuntu (Budgie live iso) 18.04
[19:32] <fragtastic-temp> Error creating partition on /dev/sdc: Failed to meet partition size on device '/dev/sdc' (udisks-error-quark, 0)
[19:32] <EriC^> fragtastic-temp: try gparted
[19:35] <fragtastic-temp> EriC^: gparted works fine
[19:35] <adam7> if anyone is interested, here's my work--proof we live in the matrix, and that the world is about to change.  like verifiable proof, and "reason" beyond doubt, to build heaven on earth: http://fromthemachine.org/CLEARYBLVD.html
[19:36] <fragtastic-temp> Kinda weird that the Disks utility can't format the disk
[19:37] <fragtastic-temp> Reports the size as 2TB, while gparted shows the correct 1.82TB
[19:44] <bn_work> what is the difference between `/etc/init/rsyslog.conf` and `/etc/rsyslog.conf`?  Is the former an Ubuntu init thing?  ie:  I should edit the latter to make changes to rsyslog?
[19:44] <leftyfb> correct
[19:45] <leftyfb> bn_work: what version of ubuntu?
[19:45] <bn_work> 14.04 LTS
[19:45] <bn_work> it looks like this:  https://www.apt-browse.org/browse/ubuntu/trusty/main/i386/rsyslog/7.4.4-1ubuntu2/file/etc/init/rsyslog.conf
[19:47] <fragtastic-temp> Is this a bug in in gnome-disks, with drive sizes?
[19:47] <GuiToris> hello, what's wrong with this systemd user service ? https://pastebin.com/8saqmTNy  if I run it as systemctl --user start dropbox.service, dropbox works, but if I reboot my system it won't work (of course, I ran 'enabled')
[19:47] <badsekt0r> bn_work, for good measure edit them both
[19:47] <fragtastic-temp> I'm not coming across any current bug reports about disk size problems
[19:48] <bn_work> badsekt0r:  I'm basically trying to do this:  https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/force-iptables-to-log-messages-to-a-different-log-file.html  but am unsure which file is the correct one to edit
[19:50] <bn_work> badsekt0r: when I look in `/etc/rsyslog.conf` I don't see any directives remotely similar to the `kern.warning /var/log/iptables.log` syntax
[19:51] <bn_work> (I know I need to add it but I was expecting to see other directives similar to that for other facilities)
[19:52] <badsekt0r> bn_work, well then edit the other one and see if it works, i say
[19:53] <bn_work> badsekt0r: the other file doesn't seem similar either
[19:53] <bn_work> (hence the question)
[19:53] <badsekt0r> bn_work, have you tried #iptables ?
[19:55] <bn_work> oh, didn't know there was even a channel for that, would that be the right venue for (r)syslog questions though?
[19:55] <leftyfb> badsekt0r: please don't give advice when you don't know the answer
[19:56] <leftyfb> badsekt0r: editing the init script has nothing to do with rsyslog settings
[19:56] <leftyfb> bn_work: it says to "append" , which means add
[19:57] <leftyfb> bn_work: so add the lines it tells you
[19:59] <bn_work> leftyfb: yes, just wanted to make sure things weren't different in Ubuntuland because the file seems to reference a lot of `$<var_name>` directives and I didn't see anything remotely like that in there
[20:00] <bn_work> like that = like `<source> <log_path_and_file>`
[20:00] <LeftFootBraker> Hi Folks! I am currently trying to disable or enable auto-hide-mode for the unity-launcher in 14.04 via an acpi event. when I do "dconf write /org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/unityshell/launcher-hide-mode 1" in a terminal as the current logged on user, it works fine, but in an acpi-event-file, it does nothing... -any ideas?
[20:01] <bn_work> ok, `/etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf` seems more familiar
[20:01] <leftyfb> LeftFootBraker: it needs to be done as the user
[20:02] <LeftFootBraker> leftyb: I also tried "sudo -u marcus "dconf ..." ", which didn't work either
[20:03] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: I tried the sudo-variant in a terminal as root and it gave this error: "sudo: dconf write /org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/unityshell/launcher-hide-mode 1: command not found"
[20:07] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: or wanted you to hint me that this cannot be done in an acpi-event-file?
[20:11] <leftyfb> LeftFootBraker: it needs to be done as the user, not root(sudo)
[20:14] <sumoot> Newbie question: I have Android studio to install (zip file), the instructions says: Unpack to where you wish to install the program; where would I usually install the app?
[20:15] <kostkon> sumoot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[20:17] <sumoot> kostkon, thanx. It looks a long reading to me !
[20:17] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: that's what I'm considering as well ( I had a similar problem with xsetwacom for touch and stylus). I am just trying to find out why I get the "command not found" error when sudo'ing to marcus from root
[20:18] <kostkon> sumoot, np
[20:18] <leftyfb> LeftFootBraker: because root doesn't know about dconf
[20:19] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: to clarify: in a terminal as root, I type "sudo -u marcus dconf ...", so dconf... should be run as marcus, doesn't it?
[20:19] <LeftFootBraker> marcus is the user currently looged in to X
[20:20] <leftyfb> you could try sudo su -m marcus
[20:20] <leftyfb> but again, I don't think this is the way to do this
[20:21] <ceiles> hallo
[20:21] <omar_> hello
[20:21] <gyani> Update: I'm on 18.04 now :). Figuring out workspaces.
[20:24] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: what would you suggest?
[20:24] <leftyfb> LeftFootBraker: first I would suggest upgrading :)
[20:24] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: ;->
[20:24] <leftyfb> and work with modern versions of the tools since they've probably changes
[20:24] <leftyfb> changed*
[20:24] <leftyfb> all the work you're putting in now is probably for nothing
[20:25] <leftyfb> especially since Unity has been put out to pasture
[20:25] <LeftFootBraker> if I know how the origin of my problem I have a greater understanding of the system in general and can use this on any distro/version
[20:26] <LeftFootBraker> but dconf is still used in the current version, isn't it?
[20:27] <LeftFootBraker> s/how/about/
[20:28] <leftyfb> LeftFootBraker: I would say no. You're using a 4 year old distro that will be EOL in less than a year. Also, 18.04 no longer ships with Unity. So no, you won't be applying his to any distro.
[20:32] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb:is dconf part of Unity?
[20:32] <leftyfb> no
[20:32] <leftyfb> "trying to disable or enable auto-hide-mode for the unity-launche"
[20:34] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: I see your point, but the main problem of my question is not related to unity-launcher but to the fact that I cannot execute a dconf-command in an acpi-event-file as I can execute it as the X-user
[20:36] <leftyfb> LeftFootBraker: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1076486
[20:36] <leftyfb> that might be what you're looking for
[20:36] <leftyfb> or close to it
[20:36] <leftyfb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopLidAndDockScripts
[20:42] <heyalex> hi im having a small with ubuntu anyone can help?
[20:43] <phil42> .
[20:43] <phil42> what kind of small?
[20:43] <phil42> heyalex?
[20:44] <leftyfb> !ask | heyalex
[20:44] <heyalex> well i press the super key(i think thats what is called) but the launcher wont show up
[20:44] <leftyfb> heyalex: what version of ubuntu?
[20:45] <phil42> i don't think it works like that in ubuntu
[20:45] <leftyfb> phil42: depends on the version
[20:45] <heyalex> im using kubuntu and im a total noob
[20:45] <phil42> usually you click on something
[20:45] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: first: Thank you very much for your help! The links you posted seem very interesting; at the moment reading through them, thanks!
[20:45] <leftyfb> heyalex: KDE works differently
[20:45] <konimex> gnome/unity shoild work with regular Super key, no?
[20:46] <leftyfb> heyalex: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/applications/fundamentals/kbd.html
[20:46] <phil42> so,  it is probably working properly
[20:47] <phil42> you just need to get accustomed to kde
[20:47] <heyalex> well 10minutes ago i worked just fine pressing the meta key showed the launcher
[20:47] <ceiles> was geht ab?
[20:47] <konimex> huh.. I thought Meta key was supposed to be "Alt"
[20:48] <ceiles> aus deutschland ?
[20:48] <phil42> you can change the key functions with xbindkeys
[20:48] <leftyfb> !de | ceiles
[20:51] <phil42> i plan to change my windows and meta keys to volume up, down, and mute keys
[20:52] <phil42> as soon as i switch to 18.04
[21:08] <LeftFootBraker> leftyfb: thank you very much again! -I used the shown method from your links in my scripts and now they work as intended! -THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
[21:26] <rungcc_athome> hi doug16k
[21:26] <rungcc_athome> I'm home
[21:26] <rungcc_athome> here you go guys, the log of dmesg at the startup after a freeze
[21:27] <rungcc_athome> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hVtWQDHSwT/https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hVtWQDHSwT/
[21:27] <rungcc_athome> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hVtWQDHSwT/
[21:29] <rungcc_athome> and jounalctl last 50 lines
[21:29] <rungcc_athome> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7MCX4DyhJ2/
[21:30] <Mongrel_Shark> Anyone know how to fix an underscanning monitor?
[21:31] <rungcc_athome> and var log syslog: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JDj86rBnQq/
[21:31] <Mongrel_Shark> I have a monitor that cuts all the edges off. Googled a bunch of stuff about xrandr, nothings worked so far.
[21:31] <xuanrui> Hi all! Does anyone have opinions about which mail notification solution works best in Gnome?
[21:31] <xuanrui> ^on 18.04 of course
[21:33] <rungcc_athome> on syslog, the freeze happened on line 6095
[21:33] <rungcc_athome> the system just went full freeze, and no command on keyboard or mouse worked
[21:33] <rungcc_athome> just synergy, mega, spideroak, telegram, firefox and chomium open
[21:35] <netameta> How can you zip entire inner folder content to a zip that when opened will have just the content without the folder itself something like: zip -r -D ./build.zip ./build/
[21:36] <netameta> build.zip will have just the files within the inner folder ./build/
[21:36] <netameta> The above though doesnt work
[21:45] <j4f-shredder> hey, I have 2 g of swap if I run the command free -h  .....how can I increase that swap?
[21:45] <j4f-shredder> since under a lot of stress with react native and android studio and chrome it runs out of memory
[21:45] <j4f-shredder> do I need to delete that swap space or I can just resize it?
[21:45] <j4f-shredder> never knew how to handle swap partitions
[21:46] <rungcc_athome> related to the OS freezing, I found something on dmesg, dunno if it is related
[21:46] <rungcc_athome> [    1.258594] mmc0: Unknown controller version (3). You may experience problems.
[21:48] <rungcc_athome> I have no idea of what can be causing those freezed system
[21:48] <rungcc_athome> dammt
[21:48] <j4f-shredder> my 18.04 froze as well a couple of times between yesterday and today
[21:48] <j4f-shredder> it's quite buggy yet, we have to be patient
[21:49] <rungcc_athome> Do you think that this may be related to the OS as a whole j4f-shredder ?
[21:49] <rungcc_athome> because if that is the case, I'll just downgrade, since this is a production machine
[21:49] <rungcc_athome> I need to work and the computer is just completely unstable at this point
[21:49] <rungcc_athome> unusable
[21:50] <rungcc_athome> maybe ai should stay on 16.4 more time
[21:50] <j4f-shredder> yes
[21:50] <j4f-shredder> definitely
[21:50] <j4f-shredder> don't use it for production
[21:50] <j4f-shredder> 16 is really solid
[21:50] <icee> anyone know about the mainline kernels builder / whoever owns this?
[21:50] <j4f-shredder> I use that in amazon web services
[21:50] <icee> it would be really, really, really nice to get linux-tools packages matching the kernels
[21:50] <j4f-shredder> I will upgrade in 2 years maybe
[21:50] <icee> and isn't much diff
[21:50] <j4f-shredder> for production servers
[21:50] <rungcc_athome> I'll downgrade then, this has been a pain in the ass and I need to work
[21:51] <rungcc_athome> when does 16.04 stop being updated?
[21:51] <j4f-shredder> yes, don't hesitate
[21:51] <j4f-shredder> do it
[21:51] <icee> rungcc_athome: 5 years after rel
[21:51] <icee> rungcc_athome: always worth waiting for xx.xx.1 on LTS before considering it for important things
[21:51] <rungcc_athome> when was it released? hahaha
[21:51] <icee> 16/04
[21:51] <rungcc_athome> 2016?
[21:51] <icee> april 2016, yes
[21:52] <j4f-shredder> depends on your version
[21:52] <j4f-shredder> 5 years
[21:52] <j4f-shredder> I think
[21:52] <SlidingHorn> !mainline | icee
[21:52] <j4f-shredder> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2364303
[21:52] <rungcc_athome> well. I have a disk with 04.4, will downgrade then
[21:52] <rungcc_athome> man, that sucks
[21:52] <rungcc_athome> well
[21:52] <rungcc_athome> goodbye guys
[21:52] <j4f-shredder> Your installation of 16.04.1 with normal updates will become 16.04.2, 16.04.3, 16.04.4 and 16.04.5 in turn but will still be on the original kernel and graphics stack from 16.04.1 and be supported for the full 5 years.
[21:52] <rungcc_athome> Ill ipdate and get back
[21:52] <icee> SlidingHorn: uh, thanks? :P
[21:52] <j4f-shredder> hey, does anyone knows if I have to delete the current swap if I need more space
[21:53] <j4f-shredder> I don't know how swap files work
[21:53] <j4f-shredder> I need to increase it from 2 to 30gb
[21:53] <icee> SlidingHorn: was more wondering if there could be another small patch applied to them before building, so we get the linux-tools package :P
[21:53] <icee> but i have no idea who even to plead with this about :P
[21:53] <Mongrel_Shark> Nevermind guys, I fixed it :D
[21:53] <SlidingHorn> icee: you can always apply your own patches, but it wouldn't be supported through typical channels
[21:53] <Mongrel_Shark> thanks for the help :P
[21:54] <shachaf> Mysteriously libgtk3-nocsd.so.0 is getting added to my LD_PRELOAD and I'm not quite sure what's adding it. Maybe someone here knows?
[21:54] <icee> SlidingHorn: do you understand what's in linux-tools?
[21:55] <Daekdroom> Hello. I've purchased a WiFi adapter that runs a rtl8192eu chipset. Ubuntu 18.04 works with it out of the box, but I get a low speed connection to a router 2 meters away...
[21:55] <icee> things like 'perf' which are super goodness for those of us doing kernel development.  yes, i know how to build thigns myself, but i'd like to advocate for the stuff that's in linux-tools, that's kernel-specific specific, and included in the linux kernel repository to be included in the mainline builds
[21:55] <SlidingHorn> icee: maybe check out #ubuntu-kernel
[21:56] <icee> thanks.
[21:56] <j4f-shredder> should I delete the previous swapfile that is in the  /swapfile...I'm creating the new one in /.swapfile
[21:56] <SlidingHorn> !repeat | j4f-shredder also see /msg ubottu swap -
[22:00] <j4f-shredder> sorry, but I feel like a complete failure not knowing this basic stuff
[22:01] <j4f-shredder> since that old swapfile is not being deleted automatically after swapoff and it's taking space
[22:01] <j4f-shredder> I thought that command would erase the file
[22:05] <chanikan> I just cought sh in taskmanager to use a lot of cpu power, without doing anything.  Could this be a virus or malware?
[22:05] <shachaf> Oh man. So as of Ubuntu 18.04, if you're not using GNOME, you get this LD_PRELOAD? This is how people solved the problem?
[22:07] <SlidingHorn> chanikan: you can take a look at top to see if it offers more information regarding the particular shell script that's running
[22:08] <SlidingHorn> shachaf: can you give a little more detail as to what exactly your issue is?
[22:09] <shachaf> Ubuntu 18.04 uses GNOME with some new GTK thing where it draws in the title bars. That's fine. But if you're not using GNOME, GTK is broken, and the way they decided to solve it was to LD_PRELOAD https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/gtk3-nocsd for everything.
[22:10] <pijama_boy> Hey guys, how do you switch quickly between different windows of the same app?
[22:10] <shachaf> So my options are a somewhat broken GTK (such that it sometimes draws text offscreen or something), or an ambient LD_PRELOAD for all programs.
[22:10] <chanikan> shachaf, aha, it was a failed teamspeak installation I attempted some hours ago and forgot about
[22:11] <chanikan> shachaf, thank you for the tip about top
[22:11] <pijama_boy> I liked how in unity I could double click on the dock icon and see the instances but in gnome it's like...3 clicks that way
[22:12] <Markdown1_> a lot of Unity users moved to KDE
[22:13] <shachaf> Did people really think that LD_PRELOAD was a reasonable way of fixing this problem? For a package they have the source code to?
[22:16] <chanikan> Markdown1_, I`m a sorta noob, but aren`t the different desktops sorta only gui skins?
[22:16] <Markdown1_> chanikan they are, but different desktops also come with their own suite of apps generally.
[22:18] <chanikan> Markdown1_, oh really?  I thought all desktops could run all apps
[22:19] <Markdown1_> chanikan they can, but Qt Apps generally run better on KDE compared to GTK apps
[22:19] <Markdown1_> chanikan especially when it comes to looks
[22:20] <Markdown1_> then again most Qt/KDE apps are way more functional and crashes way less compared to their GTK counterpart ;)
[22:21] <Aguirre> hi
[22:22] <chanikan> say, aren`t GTK the type of apps used in android?
[22:23] <chanikan> Markdown1_, maybe I need to try out KDE then.  I`m very happy with the way I`ve set up lxde right now though
[22:24] <chanikan> Markdown1_, KDE would require a lot more of the hardware though, right?
[22:25] <Markdown1_> chanikan Lxde is pretty cool, I am more excited about their transition from GTK to Qt (named Lxqt), BTW talking about all these is offtopic in this channel
[22:25] <Markdown1_> chanikan KDE actually uses less hardware resources than Gnome (default Ubuntu) last time I tried
[22:26] <chanikan> Markdown1_, ok?  I`ll try that the next time I mess up my installation then
[22:28] <Markdown1_> chanikan you can install multiple Desktop Environments though, you just have to install the "kubuntu-desktop" package. even though that would make the system over more heavier and inconsistent as some Gnome and KDE resources may run at the same time.
[22:28] <Markdown1_> s/over/even
[22:29] <chanikan> Markdown1_, right, that`s why my last installation got unusable.  I`ve been wanting to try manjaro, since it is said to be more multi DE friendly, but it doesn`t come as a 32 bit distro anymore, something my computer requires
[22:30] <Markdown1_> chanikan I guess in that case you should stick with LXDE, maybe also try out Xubuntu and Ubuntu Mate
[22:31] <Markdown1_> chanikan they are good for older system as they use less resources generally
[22:36] <Rodo365> hi!
[22:40] <chanikan> Markdown1_, so lxde isn`t nesesearly the lightest DE for ubuntu then?
[22:40] <meslem> dfgdqfdfv
[22:47] <Arc1> Video card having problems outputting image to TV through HDMI  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMGtQB43gB/
[22:47] <Arc1> here's my dmesg:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cryZ783Nys/
[22:47] <Arc1> here's my Xorg.0.log:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dhGnBR85CF/
[22:59] <kumool> that wouldnt happen in windows
[22:59] <kumool> :P
[23:04] <jpleau> Hi, is there a way to add filesystem exceptions in apparmor? Evince gets denied when it tries to read things from $XDG_DATA_DIRS, I have a mounted filesystem that is part of that env
[23:12] <jpleau> hm seems only adding "/path/here/** r," worked
[23:19] <Rixter> Good Stormy Evening    I'm TRYING to install the latest Opera browser been running the commands until this: sudo apt-get install opera
[23:19] <Rixter> Reading package lists... Done
[23:19] <Rixter> Building dependency tree
[23:19] <Rixter> Reading state information... Done
[23:19] <Rixter> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[23:19] <Rixter> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[23:21] <SlidingHorn> Rixter: version and flavor of your OS?
[23:21] <oerheks> opera is not in our repos, how did you add their repo ??
[23:22] <tomreyn> !paste | Rixter
[23:22] <Rixter> SlidingHorn: Ah, yess...that WOULD help   Xubuntu 17.10 LIVE
[23:22] <tomreyn> please create a permanent OS installation and come back if issues persist.
[23:25] <Rixter> tomreyn: If your unable to help, just say so
[23:25] <oerheks> maybe it needs packages from universe repo, that is not enabled in the live iso
[23:26] <oerheks> Rixter, curious task, in a live iso, with 3rd party repos
[23:26] <Rixter> oerhecks: quite possibly so. I've done this before only with 17.3 and it's been awhile
[23:27] <tomreyn> Rixter: 17.3 of what?
[23:27] <oerheks> 17.3 sounds like 'mint'
[23:27] <Rixter> Someone, somewhere gave me the commands and presto, everything was cool. just can't remember those commands
[23:28] <Rixter> tomeryen: XUBUNTU
[23:28] <SlidingHorn> Rixter: there's no such thing as xubntu 17.3
[23:28] <guiverc> Rixter, there was no 2017-March (17.03) release of Ubuntu
[23:29] <Rixter> NO, I'm running Xubuntu NOW!!! 17.10 LIVE
[23:30] <tomreyn> Rixter: maybe we can suggest (better?) alternatives, if you'll consider them. what makes you want to install opera on a ubuntu 17.10 live iso?
[23:30] <Rixter> quiverc: I never said there was
[23:30] <Rixter> tomreyn: WHAT?
[23:31] <tomreyn> Rixter: what is you use case?
[23:31] <Rixter> tomryen: what?
[23:31] <tomreyn> what i wrote.
[23:31] <J3kyl> why does Firefox suck so much on Ubuntu?
[23:31] <oerheks> hmm before "sudo apt-get install opera-stable" did you run " sudo apt-get update" ???
[23:32] <oerheks> https://deb.opera.com/manual.html
[23:32] <Rixter> What did you say?
[23:32] <oerheks> ...
[23:32] <hggdh> ...
[23:33] <Rixter> oerhechs: Ahm..this is the page I used to set up install:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/765483/how-can-i-install-the-opera-browser-from-the-terminal
[23:33] <nacc> Rixter: let's just start over. you want opera in a xubuntu 17.10 live environment?
[23:33] <tomreyn> J3kyl: it does not, not generally. it surely does on some systems, with some customizations, since that's always the case for any customizable software.
[23:33] <Rixter> nacc: Now we understand
[23:33] <nacc> Rixter: you used the first answer?
[23:34] <Rixter> nacc: ?
[23:34] <nacc> Rixter: the page you linked has links to other answers, etc. You used the answer with 13 upvotes?
[23:35] <Rixter> nacc: Oh...sorry! Answer 13
[23:35] <lapaga> Rixter, just to make sure you are running off a live dvd or usb or is it installed?
[23:35] <J3kyl> tomreyn could be but on my system it sucks memory like a hog. I’ve got 12GBs and I leave it open for a couple days with some tabs and the whole system is like molases
[23:36] <Rixter> lapaga: off a pendrive "live"
[23:36] <tomreyn> J3kyl: you could check about:performance to get a better idea of what the memory hog is.
[23:36] <tomreyn> J3kyl: also review your add-ons and plugins, if any.
[23:36] <nacc> Rixter: what does `apt-cache policy opera` say?
[23:36] <oerheks> J3kyl, on what ubuntu version? gnome on 17.10 happens to have a memory leak ...
[23:37] <Rixter> nacc: just a min....
[23:37] <oerheks> .. or you just hit a hidden crypto miner page
[23:39] <J3kyl> oerheks: 18.04 and don’t think I’m on a hidden miner lol I’ve got the same tabs open on my MacOS laptop with no slowdown
[23:40] <J3kyl> tomreyn: I’m pretty light on the plugins I’ll take a look but for now I’m trying to use Chrome and compare
[23:40] <nacc> J3kyl: are they running the same version of firefox?
[23:40] <Rixter> nacc: opera: Installed (none) Canidate: 12.16.1860  Version table: 12.16.1860 500  500 http://deb.opera.com./opera-stable stable/non-free amd64 Packages
[23:41] <nacc> Rixter: ok, so you truncated something earlier. Use a pastebin and pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get install opera`
[23:41] <Rixter> nacc: comin' right up!
[23:43] <J3kyl> nacc: good point I’ll have to check on that
[23:44] <Rixter> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fsGyWfJmQp/
[23:45] <lapaga> restricted extras
[23:46] <Rixter> lapaga: directed at me?
[23:46] <nacc> Rixter: those packages are not available on 17.10
[23:46] <nacc> one second
[23:46] <earas> wow irc so weird
[23:48] <Rixter> nacc: what the hell?
[23:49] <nacc> Rixter: can you do `apt-cache policy opera-stable` ?
[23:49] <Rixter> nacc: I already did
[23:49] <nacc> Rixter: no, you gave me the policy for 'opera'.
[23:49] <Rixter> will do again
[23:49] <Rixter> ncaa:  OK
[23:52] <Rixter> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kJPzDDXvpc/
[23:53] <nacc> Rixter: try installing that instead of opera
[23:53] <nacc> Rixter: `sudo apt-get install opera-stable`
[23:53] <Rixter> OK
[23:55] <doomperdicion1> Hi, I would like to update my home user with the new scripts that are in /etc/skel without damaging anything?
[23:55] <Rixter> nacc:  looks like I'm gonna have to go through the entire process again...be back shortly
[23:56] <Rixter> nacc: says it can't locate package stable
[23:56] <nacc> Rixter: what process?
[23:56] <nacc> Rixter: it's not called 'stable', no space. "opera-stable"
[23:57] <Rixter> nacc: yup...my bad
[23:58] <Rixter> nacc: seems to be doing the trick