[02:26] <jordan4ibanez> Hello, I'm getting a severe apt error on 16.04 amd64
[02:28] <jordan4ibanez> When I run sudo apt (or apt-get or aptitude) update I get https://pastebin.com/raw/3pBuKUyi
[03:29] <samuncle-> Hi
[03:31] <samuncle-> I'm struggling with something
[03:32] <samuncle-> I have a setup where the monitor is reflected on a mirror
[03:33] <samuncle-> For that I need to flip the screen so the output looks correct on the mirror
[03:34] <samuncle-> But I only found so far how to rotate the picture which isn't what is correct
[03:34] <samuncle-> Does anyone know if it's possible?
[05:21] <nova_> I'm trying to find the icon that the Messaging Indicator Plugin is using so I can change it.  I'm using the Moka icon theme and it unfortunately sets both the notification indicator and messaging indicator to the same icon, While Adwaita or Elementary show different icons (a ball and an envelope).  Can anyone point me in the right place?
[05:22] <nova_> sorry not a ball, a bell*
[05:32] <Unit193> nova_: I wasn't around.  But you're welcome!  Glad it helped!
[05:38] <nova_> Unit193: yes huge help thanks
[05:39] <nova_> Now I'm looking to tweak the Moka icons slightly.  I have 2 bells in my tray and it looks weird
[05:42] <nova_> oh wait i found it
[06:58] <m00n_urn> Hey! is xubuntu supposed to run on kernel version 4.15.0-20-generic? because, the latest stable is 14.16.8, Is upgrading adviceable?
[06:59] <pmjdebru1jn> 14.16.8 ?
[06:59] <pmjdebru1jn> 4.16.8 you mean?
[07:00] <pmjdebru1jn> but essentially no
[07:00] <pmjdebru1jn> the mainline kernels aren't really meant to be directly used by end users
[07:00] <m00n_urn> yeah *4.16.8
[07:00] <pmjdebru1jn> canonical maintains the 4.15.x tree for whatever should be relevant for ubuntu users
[07:00] <pmjdebru1jn> though of course, that can be subject to debate
[07:01] <well_laid_lawn> m00n_urn:  unless you have a real need for the latest kernel it's not worth the hassle
[07:01] <pmjdebru1jn> m00n_urn: so the answer is no, you should "upgrade"
[07:01] <pmjdebru1jn> NOT*
[07:01] <pmjdebru1jn> sorry
[07:01] <pmjdebru1jn> you shouldn't upgrade
[07:01] <pmjdebru1jn> unless there is a significant issue for you
[07:02] <pmjdebru1jn> via the 4.15 kernel packages you'll automatically get security patches etc...
[07:02] <pmjdebru1jn> once you buidl your own kernel, you're entirely responsible for the security of your system yourself
[07:02] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, well, my 18.04 keeps facing random freezes, the last time was when I was copying files. All of them got corrupted via transfer. So, based on some google-fu I figured upgrading the kernel would fix some issues with it freezing.
[07:02] <m00n_urn> well_laid_lawn, alright
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> generall intermittent issues are hardware related - software keeps doing the same thing
[07:08] <m00n_urn> well_laid_lawn, ubuntu trusty didn't have this issue so..
[07:08] <pmjdebru1jn> m00n_urn: sounds implausible
[07:08] <pmjdebru1jn> building your own kernel really is inadvisable
[07:09] <pmjdebru1jn> m00n_urn: considering sticking with xubuntu 16.04 for a while, until 18.04 has gotten some updates
[07:09]  * pmjdebru1jn rarely updates his system just days after a new release
[07:09] <pmjdebru1jn> it's not a day idea to wait a few weeks in general (with any OS)
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> it's not something that shouldn't be done - just a lot of work for not much gain mostly
[07:10] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, oh okay, so I just have to wait for 18.04 to issue updates to fix the random freezes?
[07:10] <pmjdebru1jn> well_laid_lawn: if one needs to ask about when it's appropriate to build his own kernel, one probably shouldn't attempt it
[07:10] <pmjdebru1jn> m00n_urn: there probably nothing random about it
[07:10] <pmjdebru1jn> m00n_urn: maybe one driver is misbehaving
[07:11] <pmjdebru1jn> who knows
[07:11] <pmjdebru1jn> i'd just wait a few weeks, and then retry
[07:11] <pmjdebru1jn> instead of wasting a lot of time now
[07:11] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, how would I even check for things like these?
[07:11] <pmjdebru1jn> m00n_urn: btw, did you inspect your syslog after a freeze
[07:11] <pmjdebru1jn> see if anything got logged
[07:11] <pmjdebru1jn> m00n_urn: huh?
[07:12] <pmjdebru1jn> check for what?
[07:12] <pmjdebru1jn> just try
[07:12] <pmjdebru1jn> you just happened to hit an unlucky case
[07:12] <pmjdebru1jn> it happens
[07:12] <pmjdebru1jn> presuming it's not hardware related
[07:12] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, i meant logs yes. I should check it. where is it located again?
[07:12] <pmjdebru1jn> (you did do 12 hours of memtest etc)
[07:12] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, mine is a thinkpad e450
[07:13] <pmjdebru1jn> but did you already run a long memtest session
[07:13] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, I ran memtest for a hour long with it displaying 0 errors to fix.
[07:13] <pmjdebru1jn> that's a bit short though
[07:13] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, it reacheed 100%
[07:13] <pmjdebru1jn> presumably not even enough to complete a full run?
[07:13] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, it did complete
[07:14] <pmjdebru1jn> within an hour?
[07:14] <pmjdebru1jn> are you sure you look at the right diagram?
[07:14] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, yes, it told to press ESC to reboot the machine
[07:14] <pmjdebru1jn> doesn't it always do that?
[07:15] <m00n_urn> I ran memtest for the first time yesterday so
[07:15] <pmjdebru1jn> on most systems it needs multiple hours to complete
[07:16] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, well, im sure mine was completed in an hour
[07:16] <m00n_urn> i guess just have to wait for xubuntu to issue updates until then I just have to deal with it
[07:17] <pmjdebru1jn> or just temporarily switch back to an older version if it didn't happen before
[07:17] <pmjdebru1jn> reinstalling is like 10mins work
[07:18] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, to 16.04?
[07:18] <pmjdebru1jn> for example
[07:18] <pmjdebru1jn> you said it didn't happen with an older version
[07:18] <pmjdebru1jn> anyhow, if you want to see if you can get more info https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netconsole that might be worth trying
[07:19] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, older version of ubuntu not xubuntu. It was a 14.04
[07:19] <pmjdebru1jn> hardware support should be same between ubuntu/xubuntu
[07:19] <m00n_urn> yeah
[07:19] <pmjdebru1jn> btw, if you system freezes, can you still switch to a proper terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1)
[07:19] <m00n_urn> and where would I check these logs again?
[07:19] <pmjdebru1jn> and does that still work
[07:19] <pmjdebru1jn> netconsole is probably your best option
[07:20] <m00n_urn> pmjdebru1jn, tried it and it does not. The keyboard freezes too
[07:22] <pmjdebru1jn> then netconsole if your best bet to see what might be going on
[07:26] <m00n_urn> okay
[07:26] <m00n_urn> thanks a lot
[07:32] <arefxubuntu> hi
[07:32] <arefxubuntu> any body here
[07:32] <pmjdebru1jn> sure
[07:33] <pmjdebru1jn> just ask, people will respond if they have time and/or know an answer
[07:33] <pmjdebru1jn> sometimes an answer might take a while
[07:35] <arefxubuntu> i was trying to install linuxmint xfce but some went wrong i think the iso is not right because i install linx mint on the same machine
[07:35] <arefxubuntu> before
[07:36] <pmjdebru1jn> this isn't a linuxmint channel
[07:37] <pmjdebru1jn> https://xubuntu.org/download/
[07:37] <pmjdebru1jn> that's xubuntu
[07:50] <dqs_gentoo> pardon the expression no shit sherlock that is xubuntu xD
[08:02] <knome> dqs_gentoo, indeed this is a family-friendly channel - and you seem to know which expressions to avoid - so please do that
[12:00] <dunpeal> Hi there. I'd like to install Xubuntu 18.04. Where do I find the "minimal install" option I heard was added to 18.04?
[12:05] <akxwi-dave> dunpeal:  There is an Xubuntu Core version.. which is the Xubuntu desktop and minimal programs..
[12:05] <akxwi-dave> this is available here https://unit193.net/xubuntu/
[12:06] <akxwi-dave> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/  sorry here
[12:07] <dunpeal> akxwi-dave: thanks!
[13:01] <dunpeal> Hey. I installed Xubuntu Core, and now I get the following error: http://dpaste.com/1GT97RT
[13:09] <pmjdebru1jn> dunpeal: maybe the mirror is temporarily broken?
[13:09] <pmjdebru1jn> or a conection issue
[13:10] <pmjdebru1jn> did you try apt-get update again? a few minutes later?
[13:10] <pmjdebru1jn> or a different mirror
[19:42] <installer> can i read what i type?
[19:42] <installer> finally
[19:43] <installer> i am installing a 14.xx image (32bit on a macBook late 2007 (32bit EFI). cannot find a place to put the bootloader in - is that because of Guid/GPT and no MBR?
[19:45] <installer> i let the installer claim the whole build in disk (sda)
[19:49] <installer> it says the arch is i386/mac and later the info, that the partitition label of sda is gpt. ubiquity is skipping group sda , since no volume group is found
[19:52] <installer> for no i skipped the boot loader, but i guess i will be able to install it later anytime from live image again?
[22:28] <donofrio> installer - if you return, I had to use a autostart custom cdrom with plop auto configured to countdown, to a grub customized to auto count down to install from the usb key I made...it worked, I need to update for 18.04 (they did make a 32 bit for x86 still right?)