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[05:57] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:03] <diogenes_> Good morning
[06:04] <lordievader> Hey diogenes_
[06:26] <sajhbr> hello. I just installed 18.04 and I'm having the plasma bug where loading icon spins very fast with high CPU usage
[06:27] <sajhbr> I'm using intel GPU with proprietary nvidia drivers
[06:34] <hateball> sajhbr: intel GPU with nvidia drivers sounds like it wouldnt work so well
[06:35] <sajhbr> but nvidia kills my battery
[06:35] <sajhbr> I'm only getting 2 hours
[06:36] <sajhbr> I've heard even if I chose intel, nvidia is still powered on. Is this true?
[06:36] <sajhbr> for a laptop with dual graphics
[06:37] <diogenes_> sajhbr, no it is not true
[06:38] <sajhbr> so if I use 'prime select intel' it'll only use intel GPU?
[06:38] <diogenes_> sajhbr, yes, but the best way to use that kind of setup is bumblebee
[06:39] <hateball> Is bumblebee even supported any more? It's a hack to begin with
[06:39] <sajhbr> bumblebee has a lot of bugs for my laptop (dell 7559) :/
[06:39] <diogenes_> like what?
[06:39] <sajhbr> I don't mind being able to use only iGPU as long as I get good battery
[06:40] <sajhbr> Unable to boot or something like that until I dive deep into config parameters
[06:41] <sajhbr> I visited bubmblebee website and went link diving, finally led to github page where someone with the same laptop posted a workaround
[06:41] <diogenes_> you probably didn't configure it properly but once configured right, you got no rpoblems
[06:52] <Mrokii_> Is there a way to update the "Devices"-List in Dolphin? The reason is that quite often my mobile phone, connected via KDE Connect, doesn't appear there, even after sending a ping. If it doesn't appear in the devices list I have no way to actually access the files. Or is there another way?
[06:53] <operator-error> Mrokii_: Is either your phone or computer connected to a VPN?
[06:56] <operator-error> Mrokii_: IIRC, both devices have to be on the same subnet to see one another.  If either device is tunneling to another network (like a VPN), then they can't connect.
[06:58] <Mrokii_> operator-error: True, my Desktop is currenctly connected to a VPN. Okay, thanks, for the clarification. I will try to disconnect from the VPN and see if it works then.
[06:59] <Mrokii_> Need to reconnect here as well. brb.
[07:02] <Mrokii> operator-error: KDE connect still says that there are no paired devices available, even though I'm disconnected from the VPN.
[07:03] <operator-error> Mrokii: is your phone connected to the same network (via WiFi) as your computer?
[07:03] <Mrokii> Yes.
[07:03] <operator-error> Hmmm... well that is strange
[07:04] <operator-error> The only time I've ever had an issue with my phone and computer not seeing one another was when one of them was connected to a VPN
[07:04] <Mrokii> And even though the popup say there are no paired devices, when I open the System Settings Module, it is shown as "paired". Very weird.
[07:05] <Mrokii> But it doesn't show up in Dolphin, or anywhere else, as far as I can see.
[07:06] <Mrokii> I can't say for sure, but I think I wasn't connected to a VPN each time this problem appeared. It happens quite regularly for me.
[07:07] <Mrokii> So much so that I will probably look for alternatives again. Quite annoying problem.
[07:07] <operator-error> Mrokii: Hmm, I'm not sure what to make of that.  Was there a time in the past when the two devices could see one another?
[07:08] <Mrokii> yes, but it's random when it's working. Often it does, but regularly it doesn't.
[07:09] <Mrokii> The last time it worked was maybe two or three days ago.
[07:11] <Mrokii> Okay... I unpared it on the desktop and used the Phone-App to manually reconnect. That seemed to do the trick. It's there now in Dolphin.
[07:12] <operator-error> Still strange that you would have to do that just to get it working again but, hey, if it's working now it's working :)
[07:16] <Mrokii> yeah. :)
[07:17] <Mrokii> Sometimes it works automatically, but if not I at least know now how to give it another try.
[10:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Uthayakumar run df-h in the konsole then mount /dev/sd(X) , whatever the sd(X) designation is given to your outboard drive
[12:08] <BluesKaj> then it should show up in dolphin devices
[12:13] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: What is the output of `ls /dev/disk/by-partlabel`?
[12:14] <lordievader> !paste
[12:15] <R13ose> My boot is hanging on "started update utmp about runlevel changes" All I did was sudo fsck -Af and sudo reboot. how do I fix this?
[12:15] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: by-path is fine too.
[12:16] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: Oh, sorry. Could you make that a `ls -l /dev/disk/by-path`?
[12:19] <lordievader> That is not an `ls -l /dev/disk/by-path`
[12:21] <lordievader> Hmm, it seems it was not detected. Could you remove the external disk. Run `sudo udevadm monitor --environment --udev` in a terminal and then connect the external disk again?
[12:27] <lordievader> That command should spew a lot of information when you connect the harddrive and power it on.
[12:27] <lordievader> If not... the kernel sees no disk.
[12:29] <lordievader> There is no next step. This is most likely a hardware problem. Does the disk work in another pc?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> usb?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> is the outboard connected via usb?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> I mean the external hard disk that's not detected
[12:41] <BluesKaj> what's on the that disk ?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> which file system/
[12:42] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> .tar is a compression app...I mean is it NTFS or EXT4 or some other type ?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> are any other NTFS drives showing up?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> so you have no other NTFS drives
[12:46] <lordievader> BluesKaj: His system doesn't even see the drive.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I know that
[12:48] <BluesKaj> lordievader, wonder if he has a  defective usb connector
[12:49] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: did you ever have the drive connected before booting the machine?
[12:49] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Could be.
[12:51] <BluesKaj>  Uthayakumar could you connect a differnt external drive to that usb connection to see if it shows up? You mentioned you have more than one external drive.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> or even just a usb stick , to see if that connection is working properly
[12:54] <BluesKaj> heh
[12:55] <BluesKaj> oh lord
[12:55] <lordievader> Uthayakumar: With the drive connected? Or without?
[12:55] <lordievader> If the former, it may fail again if removed and connected again.
[13:09] <lordievader> Ok... well. Good.
[13:47] <AlexZion> Hi everyone, I would like to install Kubuntu 18.04 on my laptop with nvidia optimus tech, someone here has already test it ?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> !optimus
[13:49] <BluesKaj> AlexZion,^
[13:50] <AlexZion> Hi BluesKaj so it means using nvidia proprietary driver ?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> !nvidia-prime | AlexZion
[13:52] <BluesKaj> !info nvidia-prime | AlexZion
[13:55] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, it will install the driver from ubuntu-drivers-common which I assume will be the recommended nvidia proprietary driverr which will be controlled by you thru the nvidia xserver settings gui that will install with the driver
[13:57] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, nvidia-prime is normally installed by default
[13:57] <AlexZion> thanks BluesKaj, but searching on the web I see a lot of negative comment that's why I'm asking here if someone is using it
[13:59] <BluesKaj> like  I said AlexZion , you have to install the recommended driver then control your optimus system with the nvidia gui in kmenu>settings
[14:01] <hateball> AlexZion: generally optimus is a pain, thats why there are negative comments
[14:01] <hateball> that said, you should be able to get it working with nvidia blob + nvidia-prime
[14:01] <BluesKaj> frankly AlexZion, optimus is not as well configured in linux as it is in windows
[14:02] <AlexZion> I understand BluesKaj and if it works in a stable way should be enough, I'm so worry about it because the laptop I ant to reinstall is the one I sue daily to work, so I cannot risk to have an unstable machine
[14:03] <BluesKaj> the laptop will be stable if you use the nvidia driver exclusively, but your battery will  just need to be recharged more often
[14:04] <AlexZion> hateball: I know is a pain, I'm using it since years, right now I'm running a Kubuntu 14.04 with bumblebee and it works pretty well even with some problem once in a while
[14:04]  * lordievader confirms optimus is a pain 😭
[14:04] <BluesKaj> optimus is a dumb system IMO, even on windows
[14:06] <BluesKaj> I heard about newer version of bumblebee is out there, but I don't think it's well supported anymore either
[14:08] <AlexZion> Unfortunatelly I don't have so much space to make other partition otherwise would be nice to keep this installation and install 18.04 on other partitions, may should I remove my dvd an put an SSD instead
[14:08] <hateball> AlexZion: it should at least work nicer on 18.04, but I dont think bumblebee is supported any longer
[14:09] <hateball> But I could be wrong !
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hateball, i haven't heard of many users using bumblebee on newer 'buntus
 Hi hateball! Unfortunately using balooctl did not help. Do you have another idea?
[14:18] <AlexZion> maybe should I consider to buy one of this and add an extra SSD instead of my dvd to install 18.04
[14:18] <AlexZion> https://hddcaddy.com/en/dell-hdd-caddy/673-dell-xps-15z-l511z-hdd-caddy.html
[14:23] <hateball> weltimeister I am afraid not, for me it has usually "just worked" after doing that
[14:23] <hateball> I dont know of any other way to reset baloo
[14:24] <hateball> weltimeister, seems you can "balooctl disable" and then remove ~/.local/share/baloo
[14:25] <hateball> and then I suppose if you balooctl enable, it should rebuild everything again
 Thank you very much! I will try that later today. 😊
[18:30] <denza242> hi
[18:30] <denza242> how do I telegram with kde's chat thing
[18:30] <denza242> ...or am I better off just using their client
 @hateball: It looks like deleting the baloo directory did the trick. Thank you so much! High five! I owe you one!  ^^
 hateball: it looks like deleting the Baloo directory did the trick. Thank you so much! High five! I owe you one! ^^
[18:45] <CoJaBo> So, the kwin hanging bug is still present in bionic? wow tho :/
[19:04] <user|24614> hey
[19:05] <user|24614> hey
 Hello! I was wondering if there is a way to increase the space where windows can be resized. It just seems to be one pixel and it's really difficult to find that spot with a hdpi screen and a fast trackpad.
[19:34] <genii> @bauchhaus System Setttings.. Appearance - Application Style ...Window Decorations ( in the left pane) ... Border size ( bottom right )
 I only have Widget Style and GNOMW Application Style (GTK) in Application Style
 genii: Typed "Window Decorations" in the general OS search and found it. Nothing happens until 'Large'. I kind of liked to have no visible borders visually, I wished there was a way to only have a larger (invisible) area where the window edge turns the pointer into the resize tool, but without changing the appearance.
[20:32] <genii> kmag might work to make the existing small border large enough to see and grab easily
[20:33] <genii> ( although I have not tried this myself )
 kmag is not what I want and it also doesn't show the mouse pointer changing it's symbol.  … So there is no way to only set the grabbable area without changing the appearance and no way to change the style to get a compromise between 'normal' (0 pixel) and large (4 pixel). Right?