[00:21] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i'd like to do that sooner than later, honestly. people are still filing bugs against it and it kind of sucks.
[00:21] <wxl> @tsimonq2: are we listing anywhere that people should file against lubuntu next?
 No.
 I can JFDI.
[00:21] <wxl> or i can
[00:21] <wxl> just need the ok and how we should do it
[00:21] <wxl> i think just turn off bugs
[00:22] <wxl> thoughts?
[00:24] <wxl> i'm gonna clean up the bugs
 Yeah JFDI.
[01:03] <wxl> @tsimonq2: done, with a note in the description. might want to do something with https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-next, too. i don't have access
[01:04] <tsimonq2> Roger that.
[01:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: Any luck on the slideshow?
[01:04] <wxl> @tsimonq2: haven't left work yet so no :)
[01:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ah, k.
[01:04] <wxl> but i made you some nice cards on the workboard
[01:04] <wxl> but you didn't make me one...........
[01:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: What's with bug 1764399?!?!?! I really really REALLY hope that doesn't affect Bionic.
[01:05] <tsimonq2> Yeah yeah, I'll make you one now. :P
[01:05] <wxl> i found another bug while trying to figure out another one so i have that to deal with too
[01:05] <tsimonq2> Alright.
[01:05] <tsimonq2> Thanks man!
[01:05] <wxl> np
[01:05] <wxl> just so you know: can't use apport in cosmic or bionic right now :(
[01:06] <tsimonq2> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
[01:06] <wxl> cosmic's calling for qupzilla and i'm trying to figure out where the problem is. i changed it in the default settings everywhere and it's still not launching falkon for whatever reason
[01:06] <wxl> bionic is missing the py3-launchpadlib
[01:07] <tsimonq2> aaaaaaaaaaargh
[01:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: Can you fight that fire?
[01:07] <tsimonq2> ofc you probably need me to sponsor a lubuntu-meta update, aye?
[01:07] <wxl> prolly yes
[01:08] <tsimonq2> Speaking of that, you have indirect push access to the seed.
[01:08] <tsimonq2> So, JFDI.
[01:08] <wxl> oh
[01:08] <wxl> just to be clear, i add that to core?
[01:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T27
[01:08] <tsimonq2> mhhh
[01:08] <tsimonq2> yeah
[01:08] <tsimonq2> Sounds good to me.
[01:08] <wxl> thx
[01:09] <tsimonq2> np
[01:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: Adding it to the seed automatically pulls it in on all new image builds but a lubuntu-meta update needs to be pushed through, and fast, for existing users.
[01:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: Give me an upload that you're *absolutely* sure about, then poke whoever is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing
[01:10] <wxl> um wait there's core now XD
[01:10] <tsimonq2> On *bionic*
[01:10] <tsimonq2> lol
[01:10] <wxl> derpy derp derp derp
[01:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: And as backup, I'd personally poke Adam and/or Steve
[01:11] <tsimonq2> They both can push buttons.
[01:11] <tsimonq2> But yeah.
[01:11] <tsimonq2> Let's get it solved. :D
[01:11] <wxl> core core or core share?
[01:12] <wxl> omg this seed is going to make me pull my hair out
[01:12] <tsimonq2> core share core core share core
[01:12] <tsimonq2> XD
[01:13] <wxl> pushed
[01:13] <tsimonq2> OMG YOU BROKE EVERYTHING AAAAHHH
[01:13] <wxl> OH NO WHAT
[01:13] <tsimonq2> loljk XD
[01:13] <wxl> jesus, man.
[01:13] <tsimonq2> XD
[01:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: Nah but in all seriousness it looks good
[01:14] <wxl> so will the bug report get auto updated with the bug number mentioned?
[01:14] <tsimonq2> It won't, unfortunately.
[01:14] <tsimonq2> Wanna create a task for someone to write a script that does that? XD
[01:15] <wxl> not it :)
[01:15] <tsimonq2> C'mon, just create the task. :)
[01:15] <tsimonq2> Assign it to me, whatever
[01:15] <wxl> fiiiiiiiiiiiine
[01:15] <wxl> but you better fix lubuntu-meta
[01:15] <tsimonq2> Yeah yeah
[01:15] <tsimonq2> wait
[01:15] <tsimonq2> You want my name on the Bionic lubuntu-meta upload?
[01:16] <wxl> i don't care
[01:16] <tsimonq2> alright
[01:16] <tsimonq2> JFDI'ing
[01:16] <wxl> i mean it SHOULD be me but XD
[01:16] <wxl> is that script only required for the seeds?
[01:16] <tsimonq2> Nah, for all of our Git repos
[01:16] <tsimonq2> There's a regex *somewhere* we can grab
[01:17] <tsimonq2> If the commit message has matching text, trigger some launchpadlib happiness to DTRT.
[01:17] <wxl> OUR git repos or git repos in general?
[01:17] <tsimonq2> For ours.
[01:17] <tsimonq2> Although people can prolly use it for theirs too.
[01:18] <wxl> wouldn't it make more sense to have launchpad provide the fix?
[01:18] <wxl> i mean they do the same for bzr
[01:18] <wxl> right? or do i not understand something
[01:18] <tsimonq2> I *think* they called "won't fix" on it
[01:18] <wxl> really??
[01:18] <wxl> that seems silly
[01:18] <tsimonq2> Something along the lines of "what if you push a whole Git repo?"
[01:18] <wxl> but they do it with bzr!!!!
[01:19] <tsimonq2> Anyway, wxl, I call not it on updating bug 1764399 with a SRU template.
[01:19] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:19] <tsimonq2> Ask Colin.
[01:19] <wxl> oh mannnnnnnnn
[01:19] <wxl> come on
[01:19] <tsimonq2> hehe, love ya wxl 
[01:21] <wxl> well you're going to have to help me with it so there
[01:21] <wxl> you might want to jfdi if you don't want constant pings from me :)
[01:21] <tsimonq2> SRU bug template or LP thing?
[01:21] <wxl> SRU
[01:21] <wxl> i'm on the LP thing
[01:22] <tsimonq2> ah
[01:22] <tsimonq2> on it
[01:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-seeds] lubuntu-lugito pushed 1 new commit to bionic: https://git.io/vpdqN
[01:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-seeds/bionic 9f594e9 Walter Lapchynski: added python3-launchpadlib to bionic for apport; fixes LP: #1764399
[01:27] <wxl> @tsimonq2: diffusion seems to be quite a bit behind
[01:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: link?
[01:28] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-seed/repository/bionic/
[01:28] <tsimonq2> ah
[01:28]  * tsimonq2 adds to the bottom of the long list
[01:28] <wxl> that's from 2-13 :/
[01:28] <tsimonq2> YeAH
[01:28] <wxl> and there have been many commits since then
[01:29] <wxl> so something's broken
[01:29] <tsimonq2> riiiight
[01:29] <tsimonq2> well
[01:29] <tsimonq2> OHHHHHHHHHHH
[01:29] <tsimonq2> I know
[01:29] <tsimonq2> sec
[01:37] <wxl> ok now you broke the world @tsimonq2 
[01:37] <tsimonq2> oh?
[01:37] <wxl> Unhandled Exception ("DiffusionRefNotFoundException")
[01:37] <wxl> Ref "bionic" does not exist in this repository.
[01:38] <wxl> and in fact
[01:38] <wxl> No Default Branch
[01:38] <wxl> This repository is configured with default branch "bionic" but there is no branch with that name in this repository.
[01:43] <wxl> and now we're 404ing @tsimonq2 
[01:43] <wxl> you're nuking everything :)
[01:43] <tsimonq2> SHUSH
[01:43] <tsimonq2> :)
[01:44] <wxl> did you delete it? if so all refs to R3 are going to break
[01:45] <wxl> oh jeez now the other repos end up in 502 Bad Gateways O_O
[01:45] <wxl> WHAT ARE YOU DOING MAN
[01:49] <tsimonq2> wxl: UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[01:49] <wxl> don't blame me
[01:49] <tsimonq2> I can't figure out WHAT I'm doing wrong.
[01:49] <wxl> that's weird because you set it all up!
[01:49] <wxl> did you try copying the config of the other ones/
[01:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY OMG LOOK https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-seed/
[01:58] <tsimonq2> Importing now.
[01:58] <tsimonq2> I FIXED IT YAY
[01:59] <wxl> phew
[01:59] <wxl> document that in case it happens again
[01:59] <tsimonq2> k now I need to prod the others
[01:59] <wxl> yeah
[01:59] <wxl> something's funky with the others
[01:59] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/
[01:59] <tsimonq2> I might nuke and pave those repos...
[01:59] <tsimonq2> That's what I had to do with the seed.
[02:00] <tsimonq2> Besides, that needs reworking anyway.
[02:00] <wxl> sad cuz as i said the ref names get messed up
[02:00] <tsimonq2> Got an example?
[02:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Now that Phab is saved, let's get that SRU out of the way.
[02:03] <wxl> it's called a callsign
[02:03] <wxl> so if we make sure that the callsigns are set by us, then it's all good
[02:03] <tsimonq2> OK
[02:03] <wxl> if we go with the default (R#) then it can lead to problems if we re-add the repo
[02:03] <tsimonq2> right
[02:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: Does cosmic have python3-launchpadlib now too?
[02:04] <wxl> yep
[02:05] <tsimonq2> BTW, your name is on this bionic upload
[02:05] <tsimonq2> kthxbai
[02:06] <wxl> uhhh
[02:06] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-meta (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.94 => 0.94.1] (lubuntu)
[02:06] <wxl> unaapproved
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[02:07] <tsimonq2> sooooooooooooo
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Remember that chart I linked?
[02:07] <wxl> no
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Go poke.
[02:07] <tsimonq2> uhh
[02:07] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing
[02:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^
[02:07] <wxl> there's no bionic branch on the seed
[02:08] <tsimonq2> uh what?
[02:08] <wxl> there's only cosmic and master it seems
[02:08] <tsimonq2> HAH because I cloned the wrong thing
[02:09] <tsimonq2> Fixing...
[02:11] <wxl> oh all the repos are gone now?
[02:12] <tsimonq2> Yep, I nuked.
[02:12] <wxl> see how the callsign URI works? https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26#455
[02:12] <tsimonq2> oooooh
[02:12] <tsimonq2> nice
[02:13] <wxl> so if you ever delete something, just revert the callsign back to the way it was
[02:13] <tsimonq2> Right
[02:13] <wxl> using things that make sense ("SEED" not "R3") will probably help with mnemonics
[02:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: I need to take Phab down for an hourish to do Artful -> Bionic.
[02:13] <tsimonq2> Right.
[02:13] <wxl> that said, anything else left to do?
[02:13] <tsimonq2> Not right now, just setting up additional repos.
[02:23] <tsimonq2> Phab's now down, but this is expected.
[02:53] <tsimonq2> Maintenance is done.
[03:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: So, Raf hasn't been around today and Julien hasn't voiced an opinion.
[03:21] <tsimonq2> I'd like to clean up lubuntu-artwork.
[03:22] <tsimonq2> I'm thinking the right solution might be the same as what I did with the default settings, and that is, move old stuff to a different repo.
[03:22] <tsimonq2> I'll go ahead with that unless you object.
[03:22] <wxl> i think structural changes are fine as long as there are no functional changes
[03:22] <tsimonq2> OK.
[03:22] <wxl> that's my 2¢
[03:22] <wxl> or 2€ for those two :)
[03:23] <tsimonq2> I mean, it's not "functional" changes, but it does need some finagling with the binary packages and adding of Breaks/Replaces
[03:24] <wxl> well i'd still consider that structural
[03:24] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[03:24] <tsimonq2> OK, cool.
[03:24] <wxl> those are changes required to support the structure
[03:24] <tsimonq2> Right.
[03:25] <wxl> also can we get an SRU to get rid of the Qt session in Bionic? it's a freaking mess.
[03:25] <tsimonq2> Throw me a task.
[03:25] <wxl> k
[03:25] <tsimonq2> I THINK it's a metapackage issue.
[03:25] <wxl> i'll give you some fodder
[03:25] <tsimonq2> Because in order to get the Qt session, you need a binary package in Bionic.
[03:26] <tsimonq2> For Cosmic, I've reworked that.
[03:26] <wxl> wait huh. i think the Qt session is there in default Bionic.
[03:27] <wxl> yep
[03:28] <wxl> and it's broken because it calls /usr/bin/startlxqt which doesn't exist
[03:29] <tsimonq2> And the reverse happened with "Lubuntu" in Cosmic. startlxde didn't exist.
[03:29] <wxl> well, lxsession
[03:29] <tsimonq2> yeah that
[03:36] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i've got everything carved out of ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu. where do you want me to go from here? should i edit the changelog and push it and create a merge proposal?
[03:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: Please.
[03:37] <wxl> dch -i, right?
[03:37] <tsimonq2> dch -r
[03:38] <wxl> you sure about that? not a new version number?
[03:38] <tsimonq2> Well, first you need to do just "dch" to create the changelog entry. XD
[03:39] <wxl> kk
[03:39] <tsimonq2> ll
[03:39] <wxl> but i thought dch -i did both
[03:39]  * wxl shrugs
[03:47] <wxl> uh do i need to make the branch before pushing to it?
[03:47] <wxl> i didn't think i did
[03:47] <tsimonq2> No, you don;t.
[03:47] <wxl> wth then
[03:47] <tsimonq2> Share with the class
[03:52] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-meta [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.94.1]
[03:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: Adam accepted lubuntu-meta. ^^^^
[03:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: Just needs verification, and we can argue for waiving the aging period.
[03:57] <wxl> nice
[03:57] <tsimonq2> So, verify it. .)
[03:57] <wxl> i got an upload of the slideshow finally
[03:57] <tsimonq2> *;)
[03:57] <tsimonq2> \o/
[03:57] <tsimonq2> Link?
[03:57] <wxl> 1s
[03:57] <wxl> you don't want a merge proposal?
[03:57] <tsimonq2> I want that
[03:57] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[03:57] <tsimonq2> That's what I'm asking for. :P
[03:57] <wxl> then shush it
[03:58] <wxl> https://code.launchpad.net/~wxl/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/delete-lubuntu/+merge/345637
[04:01] <wxl> huh i thought we were unreleased until released
[04:01] <wxl> shall i re-push
[04:01] <wxl> ?
[04:02] <tsimonq2> Well TECHNICALLY yeah. But I always finalize it so it's easy for them to upload.
[04:02] <tsimonq2> Yeah, just make another commit.
[04:03] <wxl> i forgot do i need to make a new mp?
[04:03] <tsimonq2> no
[04:03] <wxl> k
[04:03] <tsimonq2> l
[04:04] <wxl> ok now let me know when lubuntu-meta is available and i'll test that for you
[04:05] <tsimonq2> It is available.
[04:13] <wxl> did i tell you about mk-sbuild and development releases? 
[04:15] <tsimonq2> Let me guess: one of debootstrap or distro-info-data wasn't updated.
[04:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: amirite?
[04:15] <wxl> if not `ll /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts | grep gutsy`
[04:16] <Unit193> tsimonq2: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/1.0.97ubuntu1
[04:17] <tsimonq2> Unit193: He's running Bionic.
[04:17] <tsimonq2> Unit193: I was thinking that perhaps the SRU for that didn't go through yet.
[04:17] <tsimonq2> And, it didn't...
[04:17] <tsimonq2> sigh
[04:17] <Unit193> Clearly not.
[04:19] <wxl> i don't think you're right about the cosmic seed, tsimonq2 
[04:19] <tsimonq2> Oh?
[04:19] <wxl> i think it works fine (py3-lplib)
[04:19] <wxl> and nothing good is showing up in proposed......
[04:20] <tsimonq2> I'm about to fire off that lubuntu-artwork update.
[04:21] <wxl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gg4NXGpgW4
[04:21] <wxl> that's what i got from proposed
[04:21] <tsimonq2> Right, because lubuntu-default-settings isn't installable yet.
[04:22] <wxl> hm?
[04:22] <tsimonq2> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#lubuntu-default-settings
[04:22] <tsimonq2> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[04:22] <tsimonq2> RTFM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[04:22] <tsimonq2> :)
[04:23] <wxl> ok well let me know when i can test this thing then :/
[04:24] <tsimonq2> Soon.
[04:24] <wxl> get me all hot and bothered for nothing
[04:24] <tsimonq2> Love ya wxl. ;)
[04:24] <wxl> uhhhhh huh
[04:24] <tsimonq2> XD
[04:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: Metapackage update running locally.
[04:33] <tsimonq2> When it's done, I'll throw it at Cosmic.
[04:44] <wxl> uh how do i snag source for a package again?
[04:44] <wxl> nevermind
[04:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-seeds] lubuntu-lugito pushed 1 new commit to cosmic: https://git.io/vpdCv
[04:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-seeds/cosmic 3ac401e Simon Quigley: Adjust the seed for the Lubuntu-specific package rework.
 That was long
 Heheheheh
[07:09] <wxl> that's what happens when you're getting stuff done
 @wxl, I'm one of the admins. Not the only one though.
 wxl: k so with this default settings bug...
 Someone needs to log in and see what the XDG variables are set to.
 That can tell us exactly what's wrong almost immediately.
[19:19] <wxl> gimme a bit. i've got a long list right now
 Same here.
[19:56] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf who else?
 wxl: Phab cleaned up.
 @wxl, You are. Simon is too.
 All the FBs
[20:07] <wxl> i'm done with facebook, @VikingRedwolf
 Same.
[20:09] <wxl> @tsimonq2: here's `env | grep XDG` https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4X3hdbGxCT/
[20:09] <wxl> uh
[20:09] <wxl> well hold on
[20:10] <wxl> that's using the openbox one
[20:10] <wxl> the lxqt one is kind of unusable
[20:10] <wxl> there's no panel or nothing
[20:10] <lynorian> wxl control alt t work?
[20:10] <lynorian> in lxqt?
[20:11] <lynorian> or does alt f2 with runner not work
[20:11] <lynorian> which you can then get a terminal up
[20:11] <wxl> good call @lyn||orian 
[20:11] <wxl> um
[20:11] <wxl> you get the idea XD
[20:11] <wxl> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cgbyPXK2hq/
 @wxl, And I'm done with many things I can't attend. I warned you.
[20:18] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf fine with me. could you by chance make an announcement that we're disabling the Facebook groups and then do so and I'll remove the website?
 There's no need for that. I can't take care of the website so far
 And the FB groups can run themselves
[20:19] <wxl> i'm not sure that's true since some of them are closed groups
[20:19] <wxl> and SOMEONE needs to admin them
[20:20] <wxl> inevitably, there's going to be issues
 wxl: I'll look later. Thanks, love ya, kthxbai
[20:28] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf am i missing something?
 No, that I know :)
 It's just I'm busy in the middle of a forest with almost no internet
 Until I move to the civilisation (a normal city) my digital life is being affected (not that I complain)
 @wxl, I'll check it out
[20:42] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf i'm happy to help out. i just don't want to touch facebook anymore :( maybe i should post on the list to see if someone wants to play admin?
[20:53] <wxl> lynorian: do i seem to remember you doing some XFS stuff?
[20:59] <lubot2> Alien was added by: Alien
 Nice. I tend but to visit any social network anymore. They're useless to me. But I can keep an eye on the FB groups. Anyways I'll ensure you both are admins.
[21:17] <wxl> @tsimonq2: did you do something between yesterday and today that makes falkon work where otherwise the system was trying to run qupzilla? if so, good job
[22:01] <lynorian> wxl yes?
[22:02] <lynorian> I do run xfs on stuff is there anything you are wondering about
[22:05] <wxl> lynorian: can you look into this? https://phab.lubuntu.me/T13
[22:05] <wxl> feel free to assign it to yourself if so
[22:20] <lyn||orian> @vikingredwolf did you know that the first splash where it says try lubuntu still has the swallow and not the hummingbird?
[22:22] <lyn||orian> wxl xfs does not appear to be an option on calamares
[22:23] <lyn||orian> it does not fail it is that xfs is not an option in clamares in the GUI menu
[22:23] <wxl> lyn||orian: i'm not surprised about that. we'll probably need to add all sorts of options (including encryption) to calamares *sigh*. what about bionic?
[22:24] <lyn||orian> wxl for LXDE I will test soon
[22:24] <wxl> thx
[22:34] <lyn||orian> wxl ugh the daily fails right now or is that what floccuant was on about earlier
[22:34] <wxl> lyn||orian: yeah, that's it. if you want in, set openbox as the wm (/usr/bin/openbox) and then you'll probably want to ctrl-alt-t to a terminal and run everything from there.
[22:35] <lyn||orian> wxl I am getting it ot  install though on gpt disk
 @lyn||orian, Yup. Artwork must be fixed for the new theme. And logo.
[22:37] <wxl> huh? i don't think that's a theme issue 
[22:38] <lyn||orian> no I got a failure to install 
[22:38] <lyn||orian> that is seperate for the theme issue
[22:38] <wxl> a failure to install is interesting. 
[22:53] <lyn||orian> bug 1771693
[22:59] <wxl> that's uefi right lynorian ?
[23:01] <lyn||orian> um no I don't think so
[23:02] <lyn||orian> I can try again with uefi 
[23:02] <lyn||orian> wxl no it is bios
[23:03] <lyn||orian> wxl I have used gpt disks with bios installs before
[23:03] <lyn||orian> I thought that was mainly if you were dual booting for windows
[23:04] <wxl> i just did gpt/ext4 on a vm
[23:04] <wxl> bios/gpt/ext4 to be clear
[23:04] <lynorian> strange
[23:05] <lynorian> wxl did you manual partition the disk
[23:05] <lynorian> or entire disk?
[23:05] <wxl> yup
[23:05] <lynorian> ??? now I am confused
[23:05] <wxl> can't gpt unless you manual partition because the defaults are all mbr/ext4
[23:05] <lynorian> yeah
[23:06] <wxl> just just fdisk'd to confirm it's gpt
[23:06] <lynorian> wxl bionic with xfs seems to be working
[23:06] <wxl> thank god something works! :)
[23:07] <wxl> what vm did you use lynorian ? maybe try virtualbox if not
[23:08]  * lyn||orian was using virt-manager like always
[23:09] <lyn||orian> wait this might just be I did not test uefi vms enough
[23:10] <wxl> well again i did not use uefi
[23:10] <lyn||orian> yeah
[23:10] <lyn||orian> it tried to install the signed version of grub
[23:44] <wxl> @tsimonq2: do we really want to support the openbox session??? :/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1771696
[23:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: We kinda have to.
[23:45] <wxl> do we though?
 @wxl, There's no way to remove it without a kitten sacrifice.
[23:47] <wxl> harumph
[23:49] <wxl> it would seem we could just remove the session file in default settings
 The Openbox package provides that.
 We don't.
[23:50] <wxl> right but we could remove it....
 So therefore to do that, we kill kittens by making anyone who just wants Openbox unable to use it.
 If you wanna do that, your name goes on it, not mine. XD
[23:50] <wxl> i'm talking in lubuntu-default-settings
[23:50] <wxl> not in openbox
 No, we don't provide an Openbox session file in Lubuntu's settings.
 We can't remove it using our settings alone
[23:51] <wxl> bah
 Although...
 There is one REALLY HACKY way to do it.
 Split the session file into another binary package within openbox and make the default settings package conflict with it.
 Then you'd need to provide a goofy virtual package and then have openbox depend on its session binary with the virtual package as an alternative.
 Then, voila
 SUPER HACKY tho
[23:53] <wxl> fiiiiiiiiine
 Bbiab