| tsimonq2 | rbasak, nacc: Here you go: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/usd-importer/+git/add-lubuntu/+merge/345799 | 00:42 |
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| scientes | realtek wireless drivers suck | 04:21 |
| scientes | i just patched the 8822bu driver to work with 4.15+ | 04:21 |
| tarzeau | when is popcon.ubuntu.com going to be fixed? | 09:17 |
| TheMaster | Did someone file an issue with rt? I've done that in the past to get it fixed. | 09:18 |
| tarzeau | where's the rt? i'll file it | 09:18 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: past? being > 1 year? | 09:18 |
| tarzeau | Wed Jun 22 15:09:05 2016 UTC last update | 09:19 |
| tarzeau | 2 years almost | 09:19 |
| tarzeau | RETARDED, there's bugs for it on launchpad.net | 09:19 |
| TheMaster | Yeah I quit filing them after it kept on breaking, it was fixed every time I filed it. | 09:19 |
| TheMaster | tarzeau: rt@ubuntu.com | 09:19 |
| tarzeau | how many more bug reporting places do they want? they already also have bug reports in gnome-software appstore | 09:19 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: where can i look the bug up, after filing it? | 09:19 |
| tarzeau | do you have your last mail that succeeded filing it? i'll just copy paste your's | 09:20 |
| tarzeau | can you send it to alex@aiei.ch ? | 09:20 |
| TheMaster | I do not have it, no. I used the web interface to file. | 09:20 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: sent | 09:23 |
| TheMaster | tarzeau: Looks like I filed it 5 years ago, also had gotten someone else to file one about 4 months later too. | 09:35 |
| tarzeau | i filed it got an auto reply to see further discussion in another channeld | 09:35 |
| tarzeau | #canonical-sysadmin | 09:36 |
| tarzeau | but they say it's not their business | 09:36 |
| TheMaster | I would put money on a stale lock file. | 09:37 |
| tarzeau | it's another people, and they don't read rt@u-d | 09:37 |
| seb128 | tarzeau, hey, just curious but do you see value in those popcon result/want to use them? like would it be let down if the site was removed rather fixed? | 09:37 |
| seb128 | not saying that it's going to | 09:37 |
| Laney | xnox: how does systemd decide if the system is 'running' do you know? | 09:37 |
| tarzeau | seb128: absolutely, YES! | 09:37 |
| tarzeau | I ABSOLUTELY ENJOY THE DATA YES | 09:38 |
| tarzeau | but the major thing is, either inform people on the url, it's not there anymore AND REMOVE POPCON-deb package | 09:38 |
| tarzeau | OR fix it | 09:38 |
| seb128 | yeah, agreed either it should be fixed or removed | 09:38 |
| seb128 | unsure it provides useful data though | 09:39 |
| tarzeau | not have the url work with half assed outdated data. making the poeople go crazy reporting it to gnome-software center review, launchpad and rt@u-d | 09:39 |
| seb128 | it's strongly biased toward what is installed by default | 09:39 |
| tarzeau | seb128: maybe not useful for you. but maybe check the webserver access logfiles? of the time when it was up to date | 09:39 |
| seb128 | "people" being you? ;) | 09:39 |
| tarzeau | it'll have the answer | 09:39 |
| TheMaster | That's true, but can still be useful nevertheless. | 09:39 |
| tarzeau | there's this other guy: | 09:39 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: SAY SOMETHING! | 09:39 |
| tarzeau | i don't know how much work it needs kept running, if it was way too complicated, i'd also just get rid of it - but i have no idea, i was only user of it | 09:40 |
| TheMaster | It was mentioned in the other channel that it's only useful to show 'installed', but that entirely ignores the 'vote' data.. | 09:40 |
| tarzeau | i'm only interested in how many machines have it installed | 09:41 |
| tarzeau | but then now that ubuntu 18.04 has snap, flatpak support, they should probably integrate/add that to popcon too: | 09:41 |
| tarzeau | http://www.aiei.ch/linux/sw | 09:41 |
| TheMaster | Eh, I couldn't really care about that info. | 09:41 |
| tarzeau | i did write this littly thing for me to get an overview on cluster nodes and foreign-computers | 09:41 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: what info are you looking for? | 09:41 |
| TheMaster | I'm only interested in things actually packaged. | 09:42 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: i want to know of specific deb packages i maintain how many users do i have in debian, how many in ubuntu (registered popcon users) | 09:42 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: anything you miss? or work on? | 09:42 |
| Laney | xnox: oh right, I guess if some units are still activating | 09:42 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: ah about non-deb packages. likewise here | 09:42 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: so my sw script is to make sure there's no snap packages | 09:43 |
| tarzeau | TheMaster: for the at my @work place | 09:43 |
| TheMaster | tarzeau: Yeah, I maintain a few packages in Debian too, but not usually the only things I'm interested in. | 09:43 |
| tarzeau | the biggest issue now is pip packages, and getting them updated (or not, if people link stuff against cython stuff) not packaged, but hand installed | 09:43 |
| Laney | xnox: so on artful & bionic in lxd it seems like we timeout waiting for dev-getty, do you know why that might be? | 09:48 |
| Laney | that makes the time to running be 90 seconds | 09:48 |
| xnox | Laney, need a copy of your container i guess. or how do recreate it locally? | 09:49 |
| xnox | Laney, we possibly have bugs in the config of the default container. | 09:49 |
| Laney | xnox: just lxc launch images:ubuntu/bionic/amd64 should do it I think | 09:51 |
| Laney | see if it is 'starting' or 'running' after 5 seconds or so | 09:51 |
| xnox | Laney, ack. I can look into it. note this is not the image that foundations produces, but it is stgraber's edition. | 09:52 |
| Laney | yeah | 09:52 |
| xnox | # systemctl list-jobs | 09:53 |
| xnox | JOB UNIT TYPE STATE | 09:53 |
| xnox | 1 graphical.target start waiting | 09:53 |
| xnox | 64 serial-getty@getty.service start waiting | 09:53 |
| xnox | 2 multi-user.target start waiting | 09:53 |
| xnox | 58 getty.target start waiting | 09:53 |
| xnox | 82 systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service start waiting | 09:53 |
| xnox | 66 dev-getty.device start running | 09:53 |
| xnox | yeah, not sure why serial-getty@ is there. | 09:53 |
| Laney | yeah, who put that there? | 10:00 |
| xnox | Laney, # systemctl disable serial-getty@.service | 10:01 |
| xnox | Laney, makes the reboot of said container faster. It is an odd thing: | 10:01 |
| xnox | # systemctl enable serial-getty@.service | 10:01 |
| xnox | Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/serial-getty@.service → /lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service. | 10:01 |
| Laney | who's enabling it? | 10:02 |
| xnox | given that no instance is specified, thus it's confusing as to what device it is picked to operate on. Imho that shouldn't execute at all. | 10:02 |
| Laney | something in the image build I guess | 10:02 |
| xnox | Laney, most likely overlay metadata of the container. | 10:02 |
| xnox | Laney, let me try digging as to where the images are built. I've done that once before. | 10:02 |
| Laney | https://jenkins.linuxcontainers.org/view/Images/job/image-ubuntu/architecture=amd64,release=bionic,restrict=lxc-priv,variant=default/ | 10:03 |
| xnox | Laney, i wonder if this is systemd regression. cause it looks like serial-getty@.service "choose" to use bar part of the foo-bar@.service as the instance name. | 10:04 |
| xnox | when in fact instance name is empty.... | 10:04 |
| xnox | (normally foo-bar@instance.service) | 10:04 |
| Laney | laney@nightingale> ls etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants ~/Downloads/s | 10:04 |
| Laney | 'getty@tty1.service'@ | 10:04 |
| Laney | hmm | 10:05 |
| Laney | xnox: the ubuntu: images don't have this unit enabled | 10:05 |
| Laney | just getty@tty1 but not serial-getty@ | 10:05 |
| xnox | Laney, hehe =) i hope you feel special now | 10:12 |
| Laney | I do feel confused | 10:12 |
| Laney | but that's not special, quite normal :'( | 10:12 |
| xnox | Laney, i guess my email is faster than yours ;-) | 10:12 |
| xnox | Laney, back to image - i've tracked down the image rootfs in /var/lib/lxd/images by hash from image list, mounted it.... and it doesn't have said thing enabled in the image | 10:15 |
| xnox | it's magic as to where it comes from | 10:15 |
| Laney | xnox: I only get emails every 5 minutes, and even then there's no notification thank you very much | 10:16 |
| * Laney goes to see what you're talking about :-) | 10:16 | |
| Laney | and yes indeed, that rootfs I linked doesn't have it enabled in there | 10:17 |
| xnox | Laney, i get push pop-up on the phone & chrome browser on the desktop =) | 10:17 |
| Laney | I reckon some runtime thing | 10:17 |
| Laney | eww | 10:17 |
| Laney | my phone is also on silent and turned face down | 10:17 |
| Laney | haha, thanks, what a nice email | 10:18 |
| xnox | Laney, stgraber - 1) no idea where /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/serial-getty@.service comes from 2) no idea why that runs at all, given no instance specified... | 10:22 |
| Laney | xnox: it's actually serial-getty@getty that gets instantiated | 10:25 |
| Laney | this seems weird | 10:25 |
| xnox | Laney, yeah, that's also one more no-idea | 10:25 |
| Laney | there's no DefaultInstance in there (or whatever it is) | 10:25 |
| xnox | omg | 10:31 |
| xnox | something is broken in systemd. | 10:31 |
| xnox | Laney, so i created a service called 'foo-bar@.service' which does ExecStart=/bin/echo %i | 10:31 |
| xnox | impossible to start it. | 10:31 |
| xnox | Laney, made it "wanted by" getty.target, and I got this.... | 10:31 |
| xnox | # ls -latr /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/foo-bar\@.service | 10:32 |
| xnox | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 18 10:30 /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/foo-bar@.service -> ../foo-bar@.service | 10:32 |
| xnox | May 18 10:31:00 prepared-pony systemd[1]: Started foo-bar@getty.service. | 10:32 |
| xnox | May 18 10:31:00 prepared-pony systemd[92]: foo-bar@getty.service: Executing: /bin/echo getty | 10:32 |
| Laney | haha | 10:32 |
| Laney | getty is a special case? | 10:32 |
| Laney | (hmm, there's a systemd-getty-generator) | 10:34 |
| xnox | yeah, i'm looking into getty-generator.c and it appears to be mangling stuff in add_symlink | 10:36 |
| Laney | xnox: this is just what systemd does... | 10:45 |
| Laney | May 18 11:45:26 nightingale systemd[3946]: Starting Why laney... | 10:45 |
| Laney | May 18 11:45:26 nightingale echo[9380]: laney | 10:45 |
| Laney | laney@.target.wants/laney@.service -> ../laney@.service; systemctl --user start laney.target | 10:46 |
| Laney | you get @targetname apparently | 10:46 |
| xnox | O_o | 10:46 |
| * xnox is very puzzled. | 10:47 | |
| Laney | xnox: it's got to be that detect_container() <= 0 hasn't it? | 11:56 |
| Laney | and add_serial_getty() get an empty string | 11:56 |
| Laney | but we shouldn't get that far if detect_container works properly | 11:56 |
| xnox | Laney, but container=lxc is set as an environment variable... hence detect_container should always work right | 12:11 |
| xnox | Laney, also I hate that there is no logging from generators anywhere that I can see. | 12:11 |
| Laney | well it should, if that /run/systemd/container thing is written at the right time | 12:12 |
| xnox | root@test-laney-slow-boot:/run# rm systemd/container | 12:13 |
| xnox | root@test-laney-slow-boot:/run# /lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-getty-generator | 12:13 |
| xnox | Found container virtualization lxc. | 12:13 |
| xnox | Automatically adding console shell. | 12:13 |
| xnox | container=lxc is set globally, as the environment =/ | 12:13 |
| xnox | i wonder if systemd clears that when launching generators | 12:13 |
| * xnox ponders how to create lxd container and mangle it before booting it for the first time | 12:14 | |
| xnox | lxc init! | 12:16 |
| Laney | xnox: it only uses the getenv thing if you're pid 1 though, so not sure how that works | 12:17 |
| Laney | and yeah, when it works you get that console-shell thing which you don't get on normal first boot | 12:17 |
| Laney | maybe the ptrace thing works though to fish the environment out of pid1 from another process | 12:18 |
| xnox | Laney, well used init, and then modified things on disk, then started the container | 12:21 |
| xnox | diverted that generator to &> /run/getty.log | 12:21 |
| Laney | nice, I always forget about init | 12:21 |
| xnox | to get | 12:21 |
| xnox | # cat /run/getty-generator.log | 12:21 |
| xnox | Automatically adding console shell. | 12:21 |
| xnox | which is bad, as it doesn't say "detected container blah" | 12:21 |
| xnox | let me crank up the logging on said generator. | 12:22 |
| Laney | but console-shell isn't there? | 12:22 |
| xnox | /dev/console should be there. | 12:22 |
| xnox | and is mostly harmless. | 12:22 |
| Laney | the unit isn't generated | 12:22 |
| Laney | xnox: nope, I actually removed that generator completely and the units were still made :/ | 12:29 |
| xnox | Laney, i'm lost, strace lxd daemon?! | 13:06 |
| Laney | xnox: ha, no thanks, let's rope in stgraber when he's around | 13:26 |
| xnox | stgraber, in summary. we are confused and we need your expert guidance, cause it seems like the force is not with us anymore.... | 13:29 |
| smoser | am i the only one ? | 14:53 |
| smoser | Could not establish FTP connection to upload.ubuntu.com: timed out | 14:53 |
| smoser | that is just from 'dput' on cosmic | 14:53 |
| ahasenack | isn't this a policy violation? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JNtz6dZ7z9/ | 14:54 |
| ahasenack | having libcurl3 shipping libcurl4 instead of libcurl3 | 14:54 |
| cjwatson | smoser: logs seem to think it's up and handling connections, and I can connect to it with lftp (for testing). But of course FTP is often pretty firewall-sensitive, so if it's being problematic in your network environment then use SFTP. | 14:58 |
| smoser | well,. it worked 30 minutes ago | 15:02 |
| smoser | and then not 20 minutes ago | 15:02 |
| smoser | and now it just worked. | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | no indication of a problem in the logs | 15:02 |
| smoser | and just 'ftp upload.ubuntu.com' did get a login prompt when iut wasnt | 15:02 |
| smoser | odd. | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | but could be your network env. | 15:02 |
| smoser | yeah.. but i use the network sometimes | 15:03 |
| smoser | i would probably notice :) | 15:03 |
| Nafallo | ubiquity seem to use $RELEASE for at least the live installer. now, where does it get that from? :-) | 15:04 |
| Nafallo | ^-- xnox cyphermox: one of you might know? | 15:04 |
| jbicha | I'm having problems using dput to Ubuntu now also | 15:04 |
| jbicha | SFTP error uploading to upload.ubuntu.com: SSHException('Error reading SSH protocol banner',) | 15:06 |
| jbicha | or | 15:06 |
| jbicha | Could not establish FTP connection to upload.ubuntu.com: timed out | 15:06 |
| smoser | jbicha: i saw that and then it went away. | 15:08 |
| smoser | cjwatson: ^ | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | hmm, pepo is very loaded | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | top - 15:10:39 up 39 days, 20:34, 2 users, load average: 34.18, 27.68, 18.73 | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | maybe SAN sadness again | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | it was bad for a while and then better when its load dropped | 15:12 |
| jbicha | ok, my upload worked now | 15:12 |
| Nafallo | xnox cyphermox: never mind. found it when I checked the right source code :-) | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | The state of the SAN is an ongoing problem there though, so if it's that then it's not something I can fix in a couple of hours before my EOW. wgrant ^- FYI | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | interesting, the load graph has a really obvious daily spike correlating with the apt-ftparchive cache vacuum | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | which I guess would make sense, so another reason to try to move that to weekly and at a more fixed time | 15:17 |
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| dmj_s76 | tseliot: What has changed between the old/new nvidia packaging? | 16:33 |
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| Unit193 | sarnold: Poke? | 20:44 |
| sarnold | hey Unit193 :)P | 20:48 |
| sarnold | sigh | 20:48 |
| sarnold | please forgive typos, swapped keyboards again | 20:48 |
| Unit193 | I just thought your beard was on sideways. Mind a quick PM? | 20:48 |
| sarnold | sure :) | 20:48 |
| * sarnold double-checks his beard | 20:48 | |
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