[00:50] <OvenWerks> If anyone is interested in learning to use Python, this seems to be a good course: https://developers.google.com/edu/python/
[00:51] <OvenWerks> It is free and comes with video lectures and exercises.
[02:04] <SlidingHorn> We should send this to Alexandrieu and encourage them to write back to Linus:  https://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005/December/msg00021.html
[02:04] <SlidingHorn> oops:  https://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html
[05:24] <OvenWerks> Lovely quote...
[12:52] <eylul> I do disagree with this to a point. people have different use cases. and overly simplified designs... there is a reason why windows went the route it did, there is a reason why more and more people simply use cellphones than use laptops or desktop computers at all
[12:53] <eylul> We can say that for our audience and their workflows that what gnome is aiming for doesn't work. without demonizing gnome. 
[12:54] <eylul> I don't like this attitude and it will lose us volunteers, it does lose us users as linux community
[12:56] <eylul> if nothing else that the users have the choice of DEs is an advantage for linux in appealing to a larger audience, and building a platform where software compiled once even can work in a variety of devices aimed at different users.