[01:41] <wxl> @tsimonq2: should i bother bisecting that pcmanfm-qt bug? the one patch doesn't seem to have any major impact and all the other changes in debian are just packaging changes
[01:47] <wxl> there are 47 commits since 0.12.0 so that's probably going to be a bit of a PITA
[01:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T40: Calamares needs per-package apport hook] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T40
[01:56] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T40: Calamares needs per-package apport hook] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) 
 @wxl, Nah, I wouldn't bother.
[02:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T40: Calamares needs per-package apport hook] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T40#774
[02:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T40: Calamares needs per-package apport hook] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T40#775
[02:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T40: Calamares needs per-package apport hook] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T40#777
[02:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T31: Better IRC integration] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) 
[02:56] <tsimonq2> Ahh. Drat.
[02:57] <wxl> i'm going through old bugs and really cleaning them up
[02:57] <tsimonq2> wxl: NICE.
[02:57] <tsimonq2> OK
[02:57] <wxl> it'd be nice to have all that stuff out of our hair while we focus on lxqt
[02:57] <tsimonq2> I just discovered a bug in Lugito, then I plan on monkeying with commit notifications.
[02:57] <tsimonq2> Right, agreed.
[03:00] <wxl> i'll look at the apport hook too
[03:00] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[03:01] <wxl> probably easy enough to just copy from ubiquity
[03:01] <tsimonq2> Right.
[03:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T40: Calamares needs per-package apport hook] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T40#780
[03:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: When I'm done with what I'm doing right now, I'll import Calamares' Git repo into Phab so we can try out the review system there.
[03:14] <wxl> i can't find the freaking package hook for ubiquity. there are hints of it but that's about it
[03:14] <tsimonq2> apt-file find?
[03:14] <wxl> OH it's in apport
[03:15] <wxl> duh
[03:15] <tsimonq2> What does that mean for this?
[03:15] <wxl> i guess apport contains all the per package hooks
[03:15] <wxl> in addition to the code to run them
[03:15] <tsimonq2> Ahh.
[03:15] <tsimonq2> Cool then.
[03:19] <wxl> hah still can't find it XD
[03:19] <tsimonq2> C'moooooooon XD
[03:20] <wxl> don't worry i'll gegt to grepping through the code
[03:20] <tsimonq2> hehe
[03:23] <wxl> nope not to be found. wthhhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: uhhh, look at `/usr/share/apport/package-hooks/`
[03:31] <tsimonq2> So it is in independent packages.
[04:05] <tsimonq2> teward, wxl: Yay, response from IS. \o/
[04:06] <wxl> https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=f417526980a8f115e94f226665265ace531831e8
[04:06] <tsimonq2> waaaaaaaaaaty
[04:06] <tsimonq2> *waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
[04:07] <tsimonq2> (lol)
[04:07] <wxl> last commit msg involving apport suggests that the code, if any, hides within the actual ubiquity code
[04:09] <wxl> ok i give up. you figure out where to put the file and what to file it against and we'll go from there
[04:09] <tsimonq2> dude
[04:09] <tsimonq2> omg
[04:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: `apt-file find /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/` literally gives you the answer.
[04:09] <tsimonq2> We don't NEED to use Ubiquity as a base. ;)
[04:09] <wxl> yes, that's apport, but it's not in the code
[04:10] <tsimonq2> Huh?
[04:10] <wxl> in fact, i find zero package-hooks in apport
[04:10] <tsimonq2> hmm
[04:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm almost done with this commit notification qoolness
[04:12] <wxl> at least something's getting done :)
[04:12] <tsimonq2> hehe
[04:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: Dude, but seriously, if I can get this working, we can say goodbye to GitHub.
[04:12] <tsimonq2> I mean, like the task code, it might be buggy at first.
[04:13] <wxl> yay
[04:13] <tsimonq2> But we can work it out.
[04:13] <tsimonq2> I mean, I'm literally pushing untested code here, but hey, Python Is Pseudocode. XD
[04:13] <tsimonq2> Plus, JSON is freaking easy, and I can test API calls in the interactive Python terminal.
[04:14] <lyn||orian> tsimonq2, I don't know why but I get confused by JSON
[04:14] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[04:14] <tsimonq2> I did too at first.
[04:14] <tsimonq2> You get it after a while. :)
[04:15] <wxl> playing with Mastodon honed my JSON skills
[04:15] <tsimonq2> ^
[04:15] <tsimonq2> That'll do it.
[04:15] <tsimonq2> Playing with this honed mine.
[04:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: Duuude, we need a URL shortener.
[04:22] <wxl> yeah! 
[04:22] <tsimonq2> Hmm, Ubuntu has one...
[04:22] <wxl> but we need a domain name first
[04:22] <tsimonq2> Right.
[04:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: Wanna hunt that real quick?
[04:23] <wxl> already on it
[04:23] <tsimonq2> Cool cool.
[04:23] <Unit193> > yourls
[04:26] <tsimonq2> Hm?
[04:32] <wxl> lu.gd is kind of pricey but nice
[04:32] <wxl> and available
[04:32] <tsimonq2> How pricey?
[04:32] <wxl> ~$175 at full retail
[04:32] <lyn||orian> wow
[04:32] <tsimonq2> Holy waaat
[04:33] <wxl> better than lu.ki which is about $1.2k
[04:33] <tsimonq2> O_O
[04:33] <tsimonq2> Also, let's see if this untested code for commit messages works.
[04:33] <wxl> too bad, it's cute
[04:35] <wxl> https://github.com/amitt001/pygmy
[04:35] <tsimonq2> Here goes...
[04:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUGITO1c1cc3f828ca: Move the "who" code to a central location.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUGITO1c1cc3f828ca
[04:36] <wxl> https://github.com/YOURLS/YOURLS (Unit193's suggestion)
[04:36] <wxl> https://github.com/cydrobolt/polr
[04:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: What do you think about the commit notification? Like it? Don't like it? What should I tweak?
[04:36] <wxl> http://www.tighturl.com/project/p/tighturl/
[04:36] <wxl> i think that's perfect
[04:37] <tsimonq2> \o/
[04:37] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[04:38] <wxl> OOH lub.sh is $43.02
[04:38] <tsimonq2> DOOOOEEEEET
[04:39] <wxl> lubu.ly is $195
[04:40] <wxl> what's ubuntu's shortner?
[04:40] <tsimonq2> ubu.one
[04:40] <tsimonq2> (I THINK)
[04:42] <wxl> well dennis kirkland has his name on it
[04:42] <tsimonq2> Dennis?
[04:42] <wxl> dustin
[04:42] <tsimonq2> uhhhhh
[04:42] <wxl> you know what i mean
[04:42] <tsimonq2> You mean Dustin?
[04:42] <tsimonq2> XD
[04:43] <wxl> lugi.to is $155
[04:43] <tsimonq2> OMG YES
[04:43] <tsimonq2> YASSSSS
[04:43] <wxl> OMG NO WAIT
[04:43] <wxl> lubun.to is $155
[04:43] <tsimonq2> uhhh
[04:43] <wxl> hah
[04:43] <tsimonq2> And btw
[04:43] <tsimonq2> I already HAVE lubunt.us
 You guys
 omg 😆
[04:44] <wxl> this ain't no time for hen picking, chicken
[04:44] <tsimonq2> LOL
 XD
[04:44] <tsimonq2> wxl: But DUUUUDE I already have lubunt.us
[04:44] <wxl> so use that but jesus lubun.to is REALLY good. it sounds like it should
[04:45] <wxl> i'd ask @Schyken but he couldn't even bother showing up to LFNW, so he's out
[04:45] <tsimonq2> OK lol
[04:45] <tsimonq2> ooooooh
 Savage
 lubun.to sounds derpy af tho
[04:46] <wxl> then you must be saying lubuntu sounds derpy, because it's the same pronounciation
 @wxl, Mmm, idk, I wouldn't think it that way
[04:46] <wxl> loo-boon-too
 Right, but lubun.to would seem more like "lubun-toe"
[04:47] <wxl> i have never pronounced "to" like "toe"
 URLs kinda do that when you pronounce them
 Like agar.io
[04:47] <wxl> in fact, i've never pronounced anything but "toe" like "toe"
 Right, but a lot of people will with a URL
[04:47] <wxl> uhhhhhhhhh
[04:48] <lyn||orian> like I haven't heard people pronounce lubuntu wierdly?
[04:48] <wxl> ^^ that's understandable
[04:48] <wxl> but in that sense, this is no different
 Neither have I, but I'm not talking about "lubuntu"
 I
[04:49] <wxl> i'll make sure there's a big blue toe on the main page, with a circle and a line through it just for you
 *I'll let you guys do your thing and save the "I told you so's" for later ;P
[04:49] <wxl> crack head.
 😆
[04:49] <lyn||orian> Then again if you only know about something from reading about it online I find more differences in pronunication
[04:50] <tsimonq2> k so now here's the moment of truth to see if the bot will spam the channel...
 Ruh roh
[04:51] <tsimonq2> OH: the thing doesn't care about branch creation. XD
[04:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGINGed177854e0f0: Merge tag 'debian/0.12.0-6' into ubuntu/cosmic] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGINGed177854e0f0
[04:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGINGaf8a974b0f44: Create a merge changelog entry for the previous commit.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGINGaf8a974b0f44
[04:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGING644c151b738d: Change the Vcs entries to be Lubuntu-specific.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGING644c151b738d
[04:56] <tsimonq2> Oh, that's super nice.
[04:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: Phab puts a delay between webhook triggers for multiple commits in one push ^^^
[04:57] <wxl> how much of a delay, tsimonq2 ?
[04:58] <wxl> do we even know what flood limits are on freenode and/or being enforced by ubuntu bots?
[04:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: Seems like the end delay is 20 seconds.
[04:58] <tsimonq2> So we should be totally fine for anti-flooding.
[04:59] <tsimonq2> BUT: if you know you're going to be pushing a lot of commits, PLEASE disable the webhook. :)
[05:00] <tsimonq2> Oh shoot, midnight already! O_O
[05:02] <wxl> tsimonq2: can we just use lubunt.us?
[05:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: Sure.
[05:02] <wxl> (by the way that's pronounced "loo-boon-tuss"
[05:03] <Unit193> You're forgetting to pronounce the 'dot'
[05:03] <wxl> Unit193: so is there any reason you think we should use yourls over anything else?
[05:03] <wxl> Unit193: naw, it's like "bit-lee"
[05:03] <Unit193> I haven't looked into other options, least not for a little while.
[05:03] <Unit193> ubottu.com uses that.
[05:04] <wxl> good enough for me
[05:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: If you get things set up, I can point it anywhere, then we can just transfer it to Canonical. I got it for dirt cheap but I don't really care about it.
[05:04] <tsimonq2> Seriously, after tax it was like $1.25
[05:05] <wxl> awww daaaaaaaaaaaaaaang
[05:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGINGacdc44a86697: Upload to Cosmic.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGINGacdc44a86697
[05:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPANELPACKAGING096685b8d8d3: Merge tag 'debian/0.12.0-9' into ubuntu/cosmic] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPANELPACKAGING096685b8d8d3
[05:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPANELPACKAGING9aba3e785045: Upload to Cosmic.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPANELPACKAGING9aba3e785045
[05:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPANELPACKAGING2c417a6c311b: Add a merge changelog entry for the last commit.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPANELPACKAGING2c417a6c311b
[05:45] <tsimonq2> Uhm: that's out of order.
[05:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPANELPACKAGING35886724d2d8: Change the Vcs entries to be Lubuntu-specific.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPANELPACKAGING35886724d2d8
[05:45] <tsimonq2> Whatever. It's something.
[05:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPANELPACKAGING645eb2788116: Fix typo in the patch description of fix-memory-leaks.patch.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPANELPACKAGING645eb2788116
[05:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T31: Better IRC integration] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T31#781
[05:47] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [T31: Better IRC integration] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T31#781
[05:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T31: Better IRC integration] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T31#784
[05:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS65d7dd7a13ea: In the panel.conf file, turn on autoclearing of the search message; this makes…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS65d7dd7a13ea
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS3a900eeeed3b: Upload to Cosmic.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS3a900eeeed3b
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS0bc9ae7fde58: debian/files, go away.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS0bc9ae7fde58
[05:57] <tsimonq2> I got nagged about that for days on end when I went on the Destination Linux podcast. :)
[05:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: Let's postpone the newsletter until tomorrow afternoon so we can work together on the details.
[06:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Can you confirm bug 1733125?
[06:03] <tsimonq2> Bedtime. Night everyone!
[06:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-default-settings] lubuntu-lugito pushed 3 new commits to ubuntu/cosmic: https://git.io/vpjBF
[06:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/cosmic 65d7dd7 Simon Quigley: In the panel.conf file, turn on autoclearing of the search message; this makes it consistent with other desktop environments.
[06:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/cosmic 3a900ee Simon Quigley: Upload to Cosmic.
[06:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/cosmic 0bc9ae7 Simon Quigley: debian/files, go away.
[06:25] <tsimonq2> Oh jeez. That's... going to clash.
[16:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T41: Test the Openbox SRU] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41
 Gah, isn't done yet...
 There we go.
 This is a really easy way to help Lubuntu out!
 The more people the better. :)
[16:39] <wxl> @tsimonq2: did you see OP's comments about py2/3 compatibility?
 @wxl, Yeah but that's 16.04.
 Orrr
 Wait
[16:40] <wxl> right
 Oh jeez.
 So this needs to be done in Openbox itself...
 wxl: Wanna throw me something to sponsor, using the same SRU bug description?
[16:41] <wxl> afaik all you need to do is use the second patch
[16:41] <wxl> er maybe not
[16:42] <wxl> maybe it's both
[16:42] <wxl> actually not exactly
 I'd say, grab the upload from bionic-proposed, throw the patch on top, add the dep, and give to me.
 Unless we're reaching different conclusions here.
[16:43] <wxl> with the env line calling py3 specifically, it's only valid if py3 is available
 Right well does Openbox dep on py3?
[16:44] <wxl> it SUGGESTS the default version of python
 Oh jeez.
[16:44] <wxl> which appears to be 2
 Uhhhh
[16:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T37: Figure out a good solution for backing up Phab] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T37#796
 Hmm
[16:45] <wxl> there's got to be something wrong here, cuz 18.04 most certainly should have py2
[16:46] <wxl> i think
[16:47] <wxl> python  2.7.15~rc1-1
[16:47] <wxl> python2.7       2.7.15~rc1-1
[16:48] <wxl> python3 3.6.5-3
[16:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T35: Make GitHub Read-only] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T35#797
 The "python" package will never go to py3 per upstream recommendation.
 So if they suggest python, then they're suggesting py2, no exceptions.
 @lugito, lyn||orian, @VikingRedwolf: See that Phab comment.
[17:26] <wxl> ok that's freaking weird
[17:26] <wxl> the manifest says python and python2.7 both should be on here but they're not
 Ignore the manifest. We're talking about a pure Openbox session here.
[18:00] <wxl> well xubuntu doesn't have this problem
[18:00] <wxl> that said, i think we have a different issue
[18:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T7: Canonical hosting for lubuntu.me] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T7#798
[18:00] <wxl> also the testcase for this SRU is actually lubuntu
[18:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T7: Canonical hosting for lubuntu.me] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T7#799
[18:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T38: Package LXQt 0.13.0] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T38#800
[18:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T7: Canonical hosting for lubuntu.me] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T7#801
[18:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T38: Package LXQt 0.13.0] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T38#802
[18:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T38: Package LXQt 0.13.0] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T38#803
[18:15] <wxl> tsimonq2: well i have no idea why we don't have python2. xubuntu does. that said, it's considered deprecated, so maybe we don't care. but obamenu is not python3 compliant. so both of those patches are needed to fix it. that's undoubtably true is cosmic as well.
[18:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: Do you think it's worth it to SRU support?
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Could you chat with the SRU vanguard to ask them what thwey think.
[18:16] <tsimonq2> *they
[18:16] <tsimonq2> s/./?/
[18:16] <wxl> honestly, i didn't want to work ont his one at all
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Why not? :P
[18:17] <wxl> i don't really consider us the maintainers of openbox except where it affects lubuntu itself
[18:17] <wxl> so it's not worthless, but not valid from a lubuntu perspective, which is what i said in the comments before you started working on it
[18:18] <wxl> if you wanted this to work, though, you'd do one of two things:
[18:18] <wxl>  1. get python2 in bionic and leave it as is
[18:19] <wxl>  2. use the second patch, too
[18:21] <wxl> from what i hear, you probably want to do #1
[18:21] <wxl> 1109 < sarnold:#ubuntu-flavors> "python" should only ever refer to py2
[18:21] <wxl> 1109 < sarnold:#ubuntu-flavors> if you change that all kinds of things break
 Unless your name is Arch. XD
[18:22] <wxl> python2.7 and python are on cosmic
 By recommends, aye?
[18:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T41: Test the Openbox SRU] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41#805
[18:25] <wxl> oh good it doesn't spam with edits
[18:27] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf are you in charge of coordinating folks that want to do l10n?
[18:28] <wxl> or rather how does an interested party get started?
[18:29] <wxl> huh. software-properties-kde doesn't really have an easy way to add proposed from what i can tell
 @wxl, Please give me a task to port that from KDE -> Qt
[18:31] <wxl> it's just a name change if anything
[18:31] <wxl> there's no depends on suggests that are kde
 oh
 You sure?
[18:31] <wxl> yep
 Ok
 Well still give me a task. XD
[18:35] <wxl> hold up. it does depend on qapt-batch which depends on kio which depends on kinit
[18:35] <wxl> there's libkf5* stuff but that's all good
[18:37] <wxl> uh weird somehow vlc plugin stuff gets pulled in
 @wxl, kf5 is KDE...
 We should port to pure Qt
[18:49] <lyn||orian> tsimonq2, I will need to figure out how the new phab workflow is to comment it
 @wxl, Not anymore, I'm afraid
[18:51] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf do you know who is?
[18:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T42: make pure Qt software-properties] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T42
[18:56] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf and just to confirm you're only artwork, right? :)
[18:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T41: Test the Openbox SRU] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41#818
[18:59] <wxl> what do you folks think about adding a few characters of comment? like maybe 70 chars?
[19:12] <wxl> it's happening
[19:12] <wxl> 1210 < GitHub:#lxde> lxqt-sudo/master 12271dd Alf Gaida: Release 0.13.0: Update changelog
 Yup.
 Although agaida is being impatient. :P
[19:13] <lyn||orian> tsimonq2, where would I push the manual too in the new workflow?
 @wxl, Damn right
 And developer's work critic 😐
 .__.
 You ARE a developer, right wxl?
[19:38]  * wxl shrugs
[19:39] <lyn||orian> ok that is how you approve a merge on launchpad for some tiny little thing that fixed it
[19:39] <lyn||orian> awww no manual things yet from lugito ?
 Not yet.
[19:40] <lyn||orian> ok
 Actually Lyn you pushed to your own repo
[19:42] <lyn||orian> I did then I tried to merge it
[19:43] <lyn||orian> and that is a confusing part of launchpad+git
[19:44] <lyn||orian> I can push directly to it I think
[19:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Workflow integration for security updates] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43
[19:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALec474b62043a: fix warnings and screenshot] Diffusion committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALec474b62043a
[19:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] lubuntu-lugito pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vhey4
[19:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master ec474b6 Lyn: fix warnings and screenshot
 lol
[20:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Workflow integration for security updates] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43#829
[20:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Workflow integration for security updates] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43#830
[20:14] <teward> wxl: tsimonq2: so we *can* move forward with phab for mail.  I have to reply to a Canonical reply to the ticket, first, but we should be able to get Phab mail working.  I'll have to do some tests and such after I get home from work.  Apologies for not replying earlier, busy day at work
[20:14] <wxl> teward: all good thanks!
[20:19] <teward> wxl: FYI: I'm taking down the Phabricator sendmail instance, unless you have any objections, so I can install Postfix.  I won't remove the configs.
[20:20] <wxl> teward: absolutely yes!
[20:21] <teward> emails might jump into the abyss for a bit, in case you need to make a note anywhere about it
[20:22] <teward> how locked down should I go :P
[20:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T43: Workflow integration for security updates] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T43#846
[20:23] <wxl> 1s
[20:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] lubuntu-lugito merged master into HEAD: https://git.io/vheH9
[20:26] <wxl> teward: ok in 5 minutes please have at it. let me know when you're done.
[20:27] <teward> the first phase is switching it to Postfix and cleaning up after.  Configuring phabricator inbound email requires me to be at home.  I had already started but am reverting now.
[20:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T34: Configure email commands] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T34#847
[20:28] <wxl> feel free to take as long as you want but let me know when it's all good to go
[20:28] <wxl> if it's easier for you to just keep outgoing down while you're dealing with incoming, that's fine
[20:29] <teward> wxl: FWIW, I'm registered on phab, teward
[20:29] <teward> in case you need to ping me via that
[20:29] <wxl> oh k
[20:29] <teward> and outgoing should work regardless
[20:29] <teward> switching back to Postfix then going to try and make it send me mail heh
[20:29] <teward> give me 5 minutes
[20:33] <teward> wxl: outgoing mail works, it looks like it's going over postfix now.
[20:33] <wxl> ok
[20:33] <teward> i need to do some poking to make everything look kind, but other than that it should be OK for outgoing mail
[20:33] <wxl> will there be any additional downtime for outgoing later?
[20:33] <teward> does the occasional 5 second 'restart postfix' count?
[20:33] <wxl> no
[20:33] <teward> then no there won't be major downtime
[20:34] <teward> not unless Postfix or Phab want to take a royal dump on me :P
[20:34] <teward> the likelihood of that is very very low, i'm likely to get struck by lighting ten times in a row long before that.
[20:35] <wxl> added you as a subscriber to the task btw
[20:35] <teward> indeed.
[20:35] <teward> thanks
[20:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T34: Configure email commands] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T34#849
[20:56] <teward> wxl: who has access to the actual DO backend for this
[20:56] <teward> Simon?
[20:56] <teward> Canonical?
[20:56] <wxl> simon
[20:56] <teward> then Simon needs to go poke some things.
[20:58] <teward> actually wait
[20:58] <teward> i typoed
[20:58] <teward> hm
[20:59] <teward> there we go
[21:00] <teward> wxl: mail server is up, let me make sure mail can be received and I'll go back to Canonical and have them set up the redirect
[21:01] <wxl> um
[21:01] <wxl> where does the mail go to? XD
[21:03] <wxl> teward: mx.canonical.com bounced back from phab@lubuntu.me at least :/
[21:04] <wxl> phab@tsimonq2.net bounced with no explanation
[21:05] <teward> wxl: phab@tsimonq2.net shouldn't go anywhere heh
[21:06] <teward> phab@lubuntu.me won't work until I have Canonical update their system
[21:06] <wxl> the fact that phab@lubuntu.me made it to canonical is probably a good sign
[21:06] <wxl> or
[21:06] <wxl> not
[21:06] <teward> wxl: that's the 'standard' response I expect
[21:06] <teward> since if you do a DNS lookup on lubuntu.me and its MX record you get canonical's mail relay
[21:07] <wxl> right
[21:07] <wxl> that still doesn't necessarily test if our mail server is working right for incoming
[21:09] <teward> okay, so
[21:09] <teward> got further that time
[21:09] <teward> and another typo xD
[21:12] <teward> wxl: got it to hand off to the backend.  but now it's missing modules heh
[21:24] <teward> whoo!
[21:24] <teward> wxl: i managed to get something handed off to phab@.  there may be a junk item somewhere that can be purged.
[21:24] <teward> also, php-mailparse means I don't have to fuss with pear xD
[21:24] <teward> or pecl
[21:25] <teward> Canonical runs the DNS for lubuntu.me correct?
[21:26] <wxl> correct, teward 
[21:27] <teward> OK.  I'll have them add the MX record as well then for phab.lubuntu.me, since that's where the mail's going to redir to.
[21:27] <teward> not all mail relays treat the bare A as a valid MX address
[21:30] <teward> oops broken mail client
[21:31] <teward> wxl: once Canonical replies to the ticket saying they added the redirection at the mail relay, try sending to phab@lubuntu.me and we can make sure it works.
[21:31] <teward> (I'm still stuck at work >.<)
[21:31] <wxl> kk
[21:31] <wxl> deej has been on a loooooooooooong lunch
[21:54] <wxl> @tsimonq2: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/new-lubuntu/5997/3
[22:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: Harumph. I disagree.
 @wxl, "Too many apps for a lean distro" subjextive
 *subjective
[22:14] <mpmc> tsimonq2: I kind of agree with that post, there is far too many apps for a default install, especially considering it's supposed to be light.
[22:14] <mpmc> But yes, it's subjective.
 Maybe Calibre isn't needed, but I would disagree with the rest.
 You need a calculator and a web browser and LibreOffice etc.
 I also disagree with us being super super ultralean
 These are practical applications a lot of people consider essential to their workflow.
[22:16] <mpmc> One thing that bugs me the most about Ubuntu is Libre office by default. I must be the only person that hasn't used any libre office apps.
 We will have a remedy for that soon.
 Anyway, ttfn, be back in three hours