[00:50] gamakatz was added by: gamakatz [01:20] Welcome, @joshuld and @gamakatz! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started and feel free to ask any questions you may have in here or in the Welcome & Install room! Most people are asleep about this time but things typically pick up fairly early in the morning (EST). I'm going to go to bed soon as well but I'll try t [01:20] o help if I can in the meantime! 🙂 [01:20] [Edit] Welcome, @joshuld and @gamakatz! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started and feel free to ask any questions you may have in here or in the Welcome & Install room! Most people are asleep about this time but things typically pick up fairly early in the morning (EST). I'm going to go to bed soon as well but I'l [01:20] l try to help if I can in the mean time! 🙂 [01:31] invalid [01:31] whops, trying to search [01:32] anyway, building a scope for 16.04 and getting " Unable to start app 'commandfu.mateo-salta_commandfu_1.5': Invalid app ID: commandfu.mateo-salta_commandfu_1.5" [05:44] Is there any date post which updates to 15.04 will be stopped ? [05:46] @UniversalSuperBox, look in `/userdata/system-data/var/lib/apparmor/clicks` and check the apparmor profile exists and matches what is being used in the aa-exec call [05:46] @JBBgameich ^^ [06:42] Matthiasmickelat was added by: Matthiasmickelat [07:11] hi @Matthiasmickelat o/ [07:12] @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] look in `/var/lib/apparmor/clicks` and `/var/lib/apparmor/profiles` and check the apparmor profile exists and matches what is being used in the aa-exec call (minus the click_ prefix) [07:17] Has Jan Sprinz quit Telegram? [07:18] no I see him in other groups [07:18] I see, cheers! [07:29] Hi @popescu_sorin [07:31] i Have an opo and bq4.5 with ut [07:36] noice! [07:36] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/XL7XXBbz.webp [07:47] maddaddam was added by: maddaddam [08:11] @Matthiasmickelat, There are new UBports splash screens for both 😎 [08:13] @maddaddam, Hello Maarten. You can check here for an introduction to UBports … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [08:14] @Stereofont, Thanks Lionel [08:23] @theReadOnly, 15.04 is EOL and that's why the project is transitioning to 16.04. That means no more OTAs for vivid [08:46] EOL = end of life. A dead parrot [08:50] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/knyOo0Iq.mp4 [09:11] DonClementeVonRihimannii was added by: DonClementeVonRihimannii [09:12] Good MORNING [09:13] A very good morning to you [09:14] A link for UBpirts stuff is here … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [09:14] [Edit] A link for UBports stuff is here … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [09:15] And thanks. I will stay out of the way of cetaceans … [09:18] Sorry. Odobenus [09:18] 😎 [09:27] @DonClementeVonRihimannii, What?? It's 19:30!!! [09:28] That's a long morning indeed [09:31] Here on the internet we make sure it's aways morning for somebody. [09:31] :) [10:04] Here it is morning.. … Central Europe [10:05] Peder was added by: Peder [10:06] Helli Peder. You can fund out more about UBports on … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [10:06] @deedend, it's 13:06 [10:06] @G_Raffe, that's my man :P [10:08] @G_Raffe, No, 20:06! [10:08] 12:10 here wtf [10:08] 06:08 here :V [10:09] So we got guys from all over the world here, nice=) [10:12] 7:11, you're all Fake News [10:12] Is there a separate group for questions about convergence? (12:12 here) [10:13] @svtv93, No. Though there are some Libertine enthusiasts [10:14] Broadly, we have evolved and old fixes are broken somewhat. 16.04 offers an opportunity to regain that functionality but maybe using new mechanisms [10:36] @svtv93, You can ask all questions here. But before, visit our tracker https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues and search if you find your problem already ;) [11:42] Glad to report that after 2 weeks of 18.04 gnome on laptop, that i now dislike it with a passion. … Was a bit worried beforehand that I would like it but we can all relax now. Back to Unity it is! [11:42] just thought i drop this before y'all have to read about it phoronix :D [11:44] This is veering OT but isn't Unity available on Bionic if you've upgraded from Xenial with Unity included? [11:44] i tried using gnome for a couple months on 16.04 last year, when the announcement was made, but alas i could not stand it [11:45] @TartanSpartan, no upgrade required. it's in universe so you can just install it if you want [11:45] Well there you are @matv1 [11:46] even on upgrade though, you will have to manually switch back to lightdm, and select unity at the login screen, as the session name changed, due to the previous change in defaults [11:50] (and yeah, it's OT material) [11:55] I dissagree and totaly expect this bombshell to land in the next Q&A but will leave off now ;) [11:55] and thanks for that tip. hadnt thought of it really [11:57] Trashing Bionic is always on topic 😂 [11:58] The other bionic, maybe [11:58] @Stereofont, bionic is the worst thing [11:59] i've heard musl is good for digestion [12:02] Let's rebuild the entire archive with bionic libc [12:09] i think that joke would have had them rolling in the aisles over in Halium [12:11] No... I think there would be more pitchforks than anything [12:13] haha [12:26] just watched the Q&A session, and i have never seen a nice community roadmap to be honest [12:26] or even a closed source vendor one [12:27] in my workplace, planning goes either by 2 weeks (a scrum sprint), 3 months (a program interation), or by the year (too far away to really plan) [12:27] maybe that'd be a good way of structuring? [12:28] The q&a looks like a fun thing to participate in [12:30] @rogieroudshoorn, You think so? [12:30] @rogieroudshoorn, Agreed [12:31] Nah [12:31] feel free to share one :) [12:31] @Wiz, Well could you provide some additional context then? [12:32] No [12:32] Moving on, then [12:32] Haters gonna hate [12:32] @vanyasem, ^. That's a legit context [12:33] on topic, what are you considering to use your roadmap for? [12:33] or what would you want to have in there? [12:33] Well, that's the problem, see. [12:33] Lots of people ask for one [12:33] Ubuntu for every device [12:33] But I don't know what they want [12:33] Ez porting i mean [12:33] Wiz, you're not helping [12:34] I gave you a hint [12:34] I'm really not looking for specific points that should be in the roadmap. I'm more interested in the process that successful communities use to create and publish one. [12:35] And what our community wants ours to look like [12:35] I wanna see oreo halium [12:35] That's not a problem of mine [12:35] @VeryOriginalUsername, Well that's Halium's roadmap :P [12:35] Treblized devices could support ut [12:35] @UniversalSuperBox, Ikr 😛 [12:35] @VeryOriginalUsername, this guy reads my mind :P [12:35] @UniversalSuperBox, No, because ubuntu also work with halium [12:36] theyre concatenated. [12:36] @mariogrip, Would be nice to play with treble [12:36] is halium still our long-term bet? mainline seems to be hip [12:36] @vanyasem, Treble is a trouble [12:36] But it's such a nice vision that all android devices in the future (google requires treble on devices coming out with oreo) could run ubuntu [12:36] @vanyasem, But i dont have any devices that support it officially [12:36] @UniversalSuperBox consider wiz a spammer [12:37] Or a troll [12:37] Mhmm. I was going to give him one more try before a ban [12:37] @vanyasem, Thats not fair from your side [12:37] @vanyasem, @mariogrip ideas? [12:37] treble is nice, I just hope vendors make use of it, so far not many do [12:38] @mariogrip, Isn't it mandatory for oreo+ android devices? that means everything that hits the market now ought to support it ... [12:38] Treble is for ez porting wihich is my point [12:38] i dont expect cheaper devices to jump on that train anytime soon [12:38] A roadmap is really to create a sense of discipline and to force a critical examination of the way forward. It is not a definition of what will actually happen in the future [12:38] @rogieroudshoorn, they still provide the existing hal api, there is no saying you "need" to use treble [12:39] so it's mandatory to support it, but not to actually use it? [12:39] nice [12:39] @mariogrip, Xiaomi 2017 devices have treble ported [12:39] Check xda [12:40] In a military battle there us a mock-up of strategy but when it actually starts, everything is thrown away and based on the real development of events [12:40] @VeryOriginalUsername, nice, i have always liked xiaomi :D [12:41] @VeryOriginalUsername, OP5T too iirc [12:41] @mariogrip, Well i might just buy a new phone. What would you suggest [12:41] https://forum.xda-developers.com/project-treble/trebleenabled-device-development [12:42] First google link; could not contain everything [12:42] so a moto G6 for instance should support it [12:42] just a well-known fairly cheap device range [12:42] @vanyasem, im a fan of devices with hdmi out :) i would say op6 but i was a bit sad that it does not support it [12:43] If a device *is coming out* with oreo out of the box (not necessarily after update) it has to support treble, otherwise no google certification [12:44] https://www.google.pl/amp/s/www.xda-developers.com/list-android-devices-project-treble-support/amp/ [12:44] Here's a more complete list [12:46] @VeryOriginalUsername, sure, but not all vendors have certification anyway, there is many uncertifaced devices out there [12:46] is there somewhere I can look to see what changes in the nightly xenial devel build? I'm waaaay behind in r387 and we are upto r393. What improvements have occured in 388 389 390 391 392 and 393 - I've only a limited monthly data allowance 😉 [12:46] @mariogrip, I don't think any major vendor would omit that [12:46] Maybe some chinese/indian/youNameIt minor ones [12:47] @UniversalSuperBox, https://cardanoroadmap.com Maybe this? Parallel blogs about the vision for each element [12:52] In which file do I need to put … ```qputenv("QT_SCALE_FACTOR", "2"); ``` … for QQC" projects? [12:53] It is not a project plan. We don't need eleven spindles in chrome vanadium to a tolerance of 0.013% by 27 September [12:54] honestly, a roadmap right now doesn't make a whole lot of sense for ubports [12:54] Don't get hung up on format or content. It is about clearing minds and binding the organisation, not setting out precise intentions [12:54] or maybe even just to order the massive amount of work that's ahead [12:55] Kirigami succeeding or failing could set us on quite different tracks. We are discovering, as much as we are planning [12:56] there is way more work than people to do it [12:57] So collaboration, inventiveness, borrowing, compromise [12:57] Kirigami? context? [12:57] :) [12:57] Kirigami comes very close to working now [12:57] The extreme practical limitations are also a source of strength [12:58] maybe in a guerilla war [12:58] @UniversalSuperBox, working on? I mean well sure it works :P [12:58] Seven Samurai - Kurosawa [12:58] 16.04. JBB has built the gallery and we're just fighting with apparmor to get it running. [12:58] but i don't think we need to start quoting Sun Tzu just yet [12:58] on ubuntu touch [12:58] @UniversalSuperBox ah [12:59] if you need any help let me know [12:59] :) [13:02] @UniversalSuperBox, it sounded more like an issue with the click, and the profile not getting created for some reason [13:02] @DanChapman, there is a `org.kde.kirigamigallery_kirigamigallery_5.45.2.json` file in `/var/lib/apparmor/clicks`. Looks like the same thing in the desktop file. [13:03] or if created, not loaded into the kernel [13:03] Okee... So how would I check that [13:04] is there a kirigami gallery file in `/var/lib/apparmor/profiles/` ? [13:04] the json isn't the profile itself [13:04] There is not [13:04] does that directory exist, i'm going off memory and don't recall if it's correct [13:05] Yep, that directory exists [13:05] and it's populated with profiles from other clicks? [13:05] Yep! [13:05] ok, so the profile indeed didn't get created [13:06] what's the contents of the json file? [13:06] ```{ … "policy_groups": [], … "policy_version": 16.04, … }``` [13:07] hmmm does it require to have at least one policy? [13:07] I don't think it does. but... [13:07] it shouldn't [13:08] did you install it via CLI? [13:08] Yes [13:08] and no errors/warnings from that? [13:08] No [13:09] weird [13:09] How would I get apparmor to reload those profiles? [13:10] hmm, you could maybe try to run the click hook manually for that app, but i don't recall exactly how to do that [13:11] iirc there's another thing which rebuilds all profiles, which we had to run sometimes for OTAs, which resulted in longer initial boot time after the ota [13:11] but i don't recall what it was exactly either [13:11] Aha! [13:11] `aa-clickhook --force` will regenerate all profiles iirc [13:11] `sudo aa-clickhook org.kde.kirigamigallery_kirigamigallery_5.45.1` [13:12] Now there's a profile, but it still doesn't run [13:12] Progress [13:12] Aha, apparmor denied access to `/usr/bin/env` [13:12] At least I think that's what that message means [13:13] ah is it python? [13:13] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pBmDn8Cpk2/ [13:13] No, it's QML [13:13] /usr/bin/env o.O [13:13] that is indeed what that means [13:13] I'm a smart! [13:14] :P [13:14] is the Exec= a shell script? [13:14] or trying to call /usr/bin/env directly? [13:15] `Exec=env QT_QUICK_CONTROLS_STYLE=Material qmlscene contents/ui/ExampleApp.qml` [13:15] yerp [13:16]