[00:01] <evlich> in the current install i have an encrypted home directory, what can i use to decrypt it?
[00:02] <evlich> (i of course have the password and all)
[00:02] <Two_Dogs> i am out :)
[00:03] <backnforth> tomreyn,  I have it now, but I'm still getting errors with Apache. Do you mind helping me? :)
[00:03] <evlich> Two_Dogs: thanks for your help
[00:03] <Two_Dogs> evlich: yw, i would get the ubuntu-server manual from the website
[00:04] <tomreyn> backnforth: i don't mind, but i cannot, unless you provide details.
[00:04] <tomreyn> !details » backnforth
[00:05] <tomreyn> !details | backnforth
[00:05] <granttrec> should I install intel mircocode since I have an intel cpu?
[00:05] <Two_Dogs> granttrec: yes
[00:05] <granttrec> Two_Dogs: any idea why its not installed by default?
[00:05] <Two_Dogs> granttrec: good question
[00:06] <backnforth> tomreyn,  I'm looking into run php-fpm on my ubuntu 18.04 server. I'm getting the following error when I try to do a restart using apache2ctl: http://dpaste.com/0EBYDZK
[00:07] <tomreyn> granttrec: it's unclear what exactly it does, since it's proprietary and change logs are not very telling. so not everyone may feel comfortable installing microcodes.
[00:08] <Two_Dogs> tomreyn: archwiki has an excellent writeup on microcode
[00:08] <granttrec> tomreyn: thats a valid point
[00:10] <granttrec> is there any way to restrict battery charging to a certain percentage like on windows?
[00:11] <backnforth> Did I provide enough details? :)
[00:12] <tomreyn> backnforth: not really, i have no idea what this configuration file looks like. can you show it? also, did you "sudo a2enmod proxy proxy_fcgi" ?
[00:15] <tomreyn> backnforth: you probably just forgot to sudo a2enmod proxy
[00:16] <backnforth> tomreyn,  it said both were enabled
[00:16] <backnforth> were already enabled **
[00:16] <SporkWitch> i always run screaming from apache these days; nginx just makes things so much easier lol
[00:16] <tomreyn> backnforth: the message you posted suggested that mod_proxy was not loaded.
[00:17] <backnforth> tomreyn,  it says syntax error though
[00:18] <Two_Dogs> backnforth: you chatted with the apache gurus on the apache support channel?
[00:21] <tomreyn> backnforth: maybe post /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/proxy_fcgi.load if you modified it, but i'm pretty sure the "syntax error" is a result of "undefined symbol: proxy_module", and that is a result of not having loaded the "proxy" module (and restarted apache httpd)
[00:38] <Guest16069> hello guys
[00:50] <evlich> Hi again. I think I have partially solve my problem. I'm running into the message "a start job is running for dev-mapper-cryptswap1.device" it has been running for a long time and has "no limit". Is there a way to get around this?
 evlich_: you can mount the root file system read-writable by using: mount -o remount,rw /
 evlich_: sudo nano /etc/fstab
 evlich_: edit the last line in /etc/fstab, replacing "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1" by the UUID reported for it in the blkid output
[00:52] <tomreyn> evlich: ^ still the same
[00:53] <MicrowavedGerbil> arc ftw
[00:54] <uruwi_> Hey, does anyone have an idea why I'm getting an X BadMatch error on X_GLXSwapBuffers when I run a program under optirun?
[00:58] <uruwi_> I found something about shared memory pixmaps in my Xorg.0.log...
[00:59] <evlich> Thanks! That did it, I'm back in business!
[01:00] <tomreyn> uruwi_: unless someone has a login to your system and thus can inspect your logs files, it is unlikely that someone will know why you have this error on your very, specific, system.
[01:00] <SysGhost> uruwi_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1768390
[01:00] <tomreyn> ...or access to a web browser
[01:01] <uruwi_> oh nice, this looks like the same issue I'm having
[01:01] <uruwi_> I wonder if that's the same bug that was giving me a black screen when I was trying to use the nvidia driver as the primary driver instead of using bumblebee
[01:02] <SysGhost> with nvidia, black screens are common if used together with kms mode. nvidia seems to be better off without kms, while nouveau has the opposite.
[01:03] <tomreyn> or everything else, really
[01:03] <SysGhost> nvidia drivers works great otherwise.
[01:04] <SysGhost> I just don't get why nvidia can't get their shits together and make the driver kms compatible.
[01:05] <rob_guest> Hi all, I think I'm hitting issues with this bug in 16.04: 1645002. Xenial has it triaged, but ideally there would be a way to fix it without upgrading to yakkety. Is there an apt package I can upgrade to get the fix, or is there just no fixed version of openssh in the repos for 16.04?
[01:05] <rob_guest> launchpad bug 1645002
[01:06] <rob_guest> I was talking to someone the other day but my net connection died before they got back to me. Not sure what the appropriate channels for these questions are
[01:09] <tomreyn> rob_guest: according to the bug report, this issue hasn't been triaged for xenial, yet. the upstream / debian bug report suggests a workaround, you could apply: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751636#20
[01:11] <Peyam> hi
[01:11] <uruwi_> SysGhost: thanks for the link
[01:11] <Peyam> I got a hp probook 650 g2 with a nmve SSD. I have disabled secure boot since win 10 is intalled in legacy mode. "well I installed it unintentionally that way"
[01:12] <transhuman> ok so I royally F*cked up the permissions and ownership of the / filesystem , I am locked out of sudo , I am told the following command from a chroot from live cd (for ubuntu 18.04) will fix the problem ...here is the command : apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg -S $(debsums -c) | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u) anyone know if this will work?
[01:13] <Peyam> and I tried to install ubuntu couple of days ago and I got this error when booting. https://i.stack.imgur.com/dkI7N.jpg
[01:14] <gogeta> Peyam: where you connected to the internet during the install
[01:14] <Peyam> gogeta, yes.
[01:14] <gogeta> Peyam: it needs to grab grub efi
[01:14] <gogeta> Peyam: that looks to be missing
[01:14] <gogeta> Peyam: or not configured
[01:15] <Peyam> gogeta, are you willing to help me? because it might kill all my system inclusive the Windows parts
[01:15] <gogeta> Peyam: grub whont kill windows
[01:16] <Peyam> gogeta, right now I only have windows installed. if I install ubuntu I wont be able to recreate the windows boot or to be honest I dont know how to save windows
[01:16] <Peyam> but I will give it a shot
[01:16] <uruwi_> transhuman: hmm, dpkg -S $(debsums -c) gets the list of packages whose files were changed; cut -d : -f 1 gets the part before the colon (the package name), sort sorts those names while removing duplicates
[01:16] <Peyam> I will come back. wil be in usb boot in a minut
[01:16] <uruwi_> then apt-get install --reinstall ... reinstalls those packages
[01:17] <uruwi_> worth trying it
[01:18] <transhuman> ok then I will try it thanks uruwi
[01:19] <rob_guest> tomreyn: I saw that workaround, is that really the best we've got? There's no actual fix I can do? The "yet" doesn't inspire much hope since it's been unaddressed for 18 months, and it having been done in Yakkety but not Xenial makes me think they don't care enought to do it.
[01:21] <tomreyn> rob_guest: i don't know. wasn't aware of this issue (not sure it's a bug, yet) until now, and i'm just wading through the debian bug report, trying to ignore the systemd discussion.
[01:22] <Peyam> hi again
[01:22] <Peyam> im here
[01:22] <u0_a256> hello
[01:22] <Peyam> so I will installed it again and see
[01:22] <gogeta> Peyam: i saw the rest of your comments
[01:22] <u0_a256> what is your name
[01:22] <Peyam> gogeta: so should I try it no?
[01:22] <gogeta> Peyam: if you have windows in legicy install linux in legicy as well
[01:23] <Peyam> yes I booted the usb in legacy mode
[01:23] <gogeta> Peyam: or alternitvly inbstall linux in efi and toggel to two
[01:23] <Peyam> gogeta: then I have to change windows to eufi too
[01:23] <gogeta> Peyam: no never miind
[01:24] <gogeta> Peyam: yea
[01:24] <rob_guest> tomreyn: Thanks for taking a look. Is this channel the best place for me to be asking this, or should I get on a mailing list of some kind? As an aside, 16.04 sshd service seems configured after network anyway "After=network.target auditd.service"
[01:24] <gogeta> Peyam: there should be install along side option
[01:24] <Peyam> gogeta: yes wait a sec plz
[01:26] <Peyam> gogeta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7VRrRcp4Hd/
[01:27] <Peyam> gogeta: so I will make a 70 GB ext4 for linux mounted on / and a swap 3GB and an efi?
[01:29] <Edisto> anyone crashing where the system makes a loud static noise, then is unreponsive?
[01:31] <Peyam> gogeta: you there?
[01:34] <gogeta> Peyam: had to run to the bathroom lemmie check
[01:34] <Peyam> gogeta:  sure
[01:35] <tomreyn> rob_guest: i don't know if there's a better place to ask / discuss, really. i'm also just another user, not an ubuntu / debian developer of sorts. i just finished reading the debian bug report and notice that the 'fix' applied was to add a systemd unit file which terminates ssh sessions and cleans things up.
[01:35] <gogeta> Peyam: i dont think you need to for legicy
[01:35] <gogeta> Peyam: the system should auto set it thow
[01:36] <Peyam> gogeta: the secure boot is disabled in bios
[01:36] <gogeta> Peyam: you must make shure you disk also isnt gpt
[01:37] <gogeta> Peyam: bios only os whont boot otherwise
[01:37] <Peyam> gogeta: how do I know if it is gpt
[01:37] <gogeta> Peyam: so when it ask to use gpt you say no
[01:38] <gogeta> Peyam: with a legicy windows install it should not be
[01:38] <j4f-shredder> hey, I'm using ubuntu 18.04 but I'm having a problem with my nvidia gtx 1060
[01:38] <j4f-shredder> it was working fine but for some reason drivers got screwed up and now my other display is not working, the one that is connected to displayPort
[01:38] <j4f-shredder> any idea on how to solve the issue
[01:39] <j4f-shredder> if I unplug the monitor that is on the hdmi
[01:39] <j4f-shredder> and then unplug and replug my display port I can see both again
[01:39] <Peyam> gogeta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gRzcKs9QRh/
[01:39] <j4f-shredder> but I have to do this everytime I turn on my machine
[01:39] <j4f-shredder> on windows 10 it works fine
[01:39] <j4f-shredder> so it's not the gpu
[01:40] <gogeta> Peyam: then it should install and be happy
[01:40] <Peyam> do i have to make a boot partition and where should I install bootloader
[01:40] <gogeta> Peyam: if not just come back and we can recover windows
[01:40] <rob_guest> tomreyn: I just read that also. It seems strange they couldn't put that in the xenial package. Do I just email that openssh person and ask them to put it in?
[01:41] <gogeta> Peyam: bootloader should be on the primary disk normaly sda
[01:41] <Peyam> gogeta: I dont have any sda
[01:41] <Peyam> gogeta: it is a nvme ssd
[01:41] <gogeta> Peyam: you dont need /boot for legicy systems but you can make one if you whant
[01:42] <gogeta> Peyam: see witch one is your main drive use that
[01:42] <tomreyn> rob_guest: As per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1645002 comment #1 "this just needs an SRU to 16.04"
[01:42] <tomreyn> !sru
[01:43] <gogeta> Peyam: so ssd probly
[01:43] <gogeta> Peyam: hang out
[01:43] <gogeta> on
[01:43] <Peyam> ohh
[01:43] <Peyam> installation is on
[01:44] <gogeta> Peyam: i think for you its nvme0n1
[01:44] <Peyam> yes I chose that
[01:44] <tomreyn> rob_guest: ^ read the link above to learn about the 'sru' process. and/or nag nacc about this bug which hasn't really been followed up on (he may not be able to help himself, but maybe he can guide you on getting this bug some progress).
[01:45] <lenny> how can I add path to folder? i tried to install dvdisaster.tar.bz2
[01:45] <lenny> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JPKdYzttht/
[01:45] <lenny> ubuntu 16.04
[01:46] <Vysty> Anyone have a recommend for an RSS builder for Ubuntu 16.04?
[01:48] <Peyam> gogeta: so now it is installed and I will reboot the computer now. see ya in a minut
[01:52] <tomreyn> rob_guest: took me a while to find the actual patch discussed in the bug report: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/274555966/openssh_1%3A7.2p2-5_1%3A7.2p2-6.diff.gz the changes relevant to this very bug report are openssh-7.2p2/debian/systemd/ssh-session-cleanup and openssh-7.2p2/debian/systemd/ssh-session-cleanup.service
[01:54] <tomreyn> this patch is referenced from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/1:7.2p2-6 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+changelog
[01:54] <guiverc> lenny, not sure if this'll help - but maybe https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13428910/how-to-set-the-environmental-variable-ld-library-path-in-linux
[01:57] <jordany> good night!
[01:59] <rob_guest> tomreyn: reading...
[02:00] <jordany> what php-version you recomended for ubuntu(virtual box)
[02:00] <lenny> guiverc, thanks. I'm new to linux installations and system files/folders ...
[02:02] <oerheks> jordany, just use the one your repository gives? there is no php special for vbox
[02:03] <oerheks> apt-cache policy php
[02:07] <jordany> oerheks your script: instaled 1:7:2+60ubuntu1
[02:08] <jordany> version table: 1:7.2+60ubuntu1 500
[02:08] <SporkWitch> jordany: goes for anything really, unless you explicitly need a newer version as a dep for something else, or a newer version has some feature that you _really_ need, just use the one in the official repos.  If something you need isn't there, your next stop is to check launchpad for a PPA that has it maintained by someone reliable.  Failing that, download and build from source (you can also create
[02:09] <SporkWitch> your own deb file this way so you can still use your package manager to install it, but this is a bit more involved)
[02:10] <jordany> ok thanks!!
[02:10] <oerheks> jordany, and what linux version is that ?
[02:10] <jordany> 18.4
[02:10] <jordany> ubuntu mate
[02:10] <rob_guest> tomreyn: wow, that diff ssh-session-cleanup really is just a shell script iterating through the sessions and ending them, nothing special.
[02:10] <gogeta> SporkWitch: its pretty easy to make a deb from source
[02:10] <SporkWitch> gogeta: not for someone asking the question i was addressing lol
[02:11] <gogeta> SporkWitch: i used to have a tool just for that forget its name atm
[02:11] <jordany> now, no more question thanks
[02:11] <jordany> i back later
[02:11] <oerheks> how odd .. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=php7.2
[02:11] <SporkWitch> gogeta: it's pretty intimidating the first time, and the documentation is definitely aimed at those of us more experienced.  And don't get me started on debuild and quilt >_< lol
[02:12] <gogeta> SporkWitch: naa it was a easy tool it literly would compile and make the deb and install it all with one command
[02:13] <SporkWitch> gogeta: well if you can tell him what it is that might be of help; in its absence, my statement holds true, since it means building a control file and all the rest of the fun lol
[02:13] <gogeta> SporkWitch: so you didnt have messy make installs on your system
[02:13] <gogeta> SporkWitch: its called checkinstall
[02:14] <peppar> gogeta: I tried now. it works but I have installed ubuntu instead of xubuntu
[02:14] <tomreyn> rob_guest: right
[02:14] <arvin_> Has anyone came across this error before running snap? Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 540: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `ELFW(R_TYPE) (reloc->r_info) == R_X86_64_RELATIVE' failed!
[02:14] <gogeta> peppar: ?
[02:14] <fengshaun> windows has a nice thing where it marks wifi connections either as 'home' or 'public' with its relevant firewall config. Is there such a thing for ubuntu?
[02:14] <SporkWitch> gogeta: ah, i vaguely remember that tool.  didn't think it created a deb, though, just kept track of things so you could undo it later
[02:14] <peppar> gogeta: I realised it when linux booted it up. however I tried to make a xubuntu usb stick bot when booting no Legacy usb is shown
[02:15] <gogeta> Peyam: oh its you
[02:15] <gogeta> Peyam: everything worked then
[02:15] <gogeta> SporkWitch: yea it could make deb rpms etc
[02:15] <Peyam> yes. thank you very much. but I dont understand why legacy usb is not shown. only EUFI usb is shown
[02:16] <gogeta> Peyam: what with xubuntu?
[02:16] <Peyam> when booting into usb. the boot menu , the bios boot menu, shows only EUFI USB. not Legacy
[02:16] <gogeta> Peyam: ?
[02:17] <Peyam> gogeta: but when I have ubuntu on usb I see "Legacy mode USB" and "EUFI mode usb"
[02:17] <gogeta> Peyam: your using me
[02:17] <Peyam> sorry?
[02:17] <gogeta> Peyam: pk
[02:17] <gogeta> Peyam: ok
[02:17] <Peyam> do you know why?
[02:17] <gogeta> Peyam: xubuntu is missing that???
[02:18] <SporkWitch> *UEFI (sorry, was bugging me)
[02:18] <Peyam> gogeta: see I have xubuntu in usb. and when I try to boot to that usb I do not see any Legacy xubuntu usb.
[02:18] <Peyam> UEFI yes sorry
[02:19] <gogeta> Peyam: i think for xubuntu you need to make it work that way
[02:19] <Peyam> gogeta: then I try again and will come back
[02:20] <gogeta> Peyam: i mean you need to make a legicy stick
[02:20] <gogeta> Peyam: i think the unetbootin tool can do that
[02:21] <Peyam> gogeta: really? i need to make the usb using unetbootin_?
[02:21] <gogeta> Peyam: for xubuntu i think so
[02:21] <oerheks> uh oh, unetbootin is know to create issues, not working usb drives
[02:22] <SporkWitch> use Etcher
[02:22] <Peyam> then what should I use
[02:22] <gogeta> etcher is nice but hes trying to make a legicy stick
[02:22] <SporkWitch> Etcher is literally the only thing i've ever had any success with in making bootable USB media
[02:22] <oerheks> and this makes no sense .. if you don't get UEFI option, enable uefi ?
[02:22] <gogeta> not a efi one
[02:22] <oerheks> etcher does efi fine..
[02:22] <SporkWitch> gogeta: etcher supports legacy as well
[02:22] <Peyam> oerheks: no I want to do it in legacy mode
[02:23] <SporkWitch> gogeta: my older laptop is BIOS and the optical drive is dead; used etcher to make the flash drive to reinstall the OS
[02:24] <Peyam> I download etcher now
[02:25] <Peyam> it is a Appimage file/
[02:25] <Peyam> never hert of it
[02:25] <gogeta> Peyam: no worrys
[02:25] <Peyam> how do I install a appimage file?
[02:25] <gogeta> Peyam: wticher failed?
[02:25] <gogeta> eticher?
[02:26] <Peyam> I downloaded etcher-electron
[02:26] <Peyam> and it is an Appimage file
[02:26] <gogeta> Peyam: should just be slecth iso sletch drive and  hit flash
[02:26] <gogeta> Peyam: its should be in the repos as well
[02:27] <SporkWitch> Peyam: what OS are you on currently?
[02:27] <Peyam> ubuntu
[02:27] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source
[02:27] <SporkWitch> there's literally links for deb files right there on the page...
[02:27] <oerheks> gogeta, in the repo's ?? huh?
[02:27] <oerheks> really, this is getting stranger and stranger
[02:27] <gogeta> lol
[02:28] <gogeta> oerheks: you make it that way
[02:28] <oerheks> so stop confusing people, gogeta
[02:28] <gogeta> oerheks: no confusion untill everyone else jumped in my freind
[02:28] <Peyam> so what do I do now
[02:29] <SporkWitch> Peyam: did you install etcher?
[02:29] <Peyam> I dont even know how to install this thing
[02:29] <Peyam> SporkWitch: Cant. it is a AppImage file. I dont know how to install it
[02:29] <SporkWitch> there are literally deb links right on the MAIN PAGE
[02:29] <SporkWitch> if you can't even look at what's in front of you, no one here is going to be able to help you
[02:29] <gogeta> Peyam: yes download the deb file
[02:30] <Peyam> where
[02:30]  * SporkWitch facedesks
[02:30] <Peyam> I cant see the .deb file
[02:30] <Peyam> where is it.
[02:30] <SporkWitch> if you'd like to hire paid support, i'd be happy to provide a BTC address; you've been provided your answer
[02:31] <Peyam> SporkWitch: there is not any .deb file https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source
[02:31] <SporkWitch> so maybe you should try etcher's website, not some random post from 2 years ago
[02:31] <oerheks> that url gives etcher.io ..
[02:31] <Peyam> https://etcher.io/ there isnt
[02:32] <SporkWitch> i'm staring right at it
[02:32] <Peyam> you liying.
[02:32] <Peyam> stop
[02:32] <SporkWitch> no, you're just lazy; again, if you'd like to pay someone to do all this for you, i'll be happy to provide a BTC address, but you've been provided the necessary information and are too lazy to even look
[02:33] <gogeta> Peyam: https://github.com/resin-io/etcher/releases/download/v1.4.4/etcher-electron_1.4.4_amd64.deb
[02:33] <Peyam> SporkWitch: okey.
[02:33] <SporkWitch> gogeta: don't hand out fish
[02:33] <SporkWitch> gogeta: all it does is encourage laziness and dependency
[02:33] <Peyam> gogeta: thanks alot
[02:34] <gogeta> SporkWitch: there litterly is only a appimage link on the main site i looked myself
[02:34] <SporkWitch> gogeta: do you know how to scroll a page?
[02:34] <SporkWitch> gogeta: if the answer is no, don't try offerring support
[02:35] <SporkWitch> gogeta: i clicked the etcher.io link he posted himself, scrolled down, and wow, look at that, .deb links
[02:35] <gogeta> SporkWitch: relly do yourself a faver and go fuck yourself
[02:35] <SporkWitch> !ops
[02:36] <rockstar[yolo]> OHHH
[02:36] <rockstar[yolo]> U gonna just let him do that?
[02:36] <Flannel> gogeta: Hi, please simmer down and mind the language.
[02:37] <gogeta> Flannel: that guys sturring the pot read up
[02:37] <Flannel> SporkWitch: Hi, please try not to be condescending.
[02:37] <Flannel> rockstar[yolo]: Hi, please stay out of it.
[02:37] <SporkWitch> Flannel: i'll try; being called a liar for all but doing things for people is trying, especially when the rest of the responses are actively misleading
[02:39] <DalekSec> gogeta: You are, nevertheless, still responsible for your own actions.
[02:39] <Rave1> Peyam,  aside from all this appimages can be run but right clicking, going to properties, selecting run as an executable, then closing, left click on appimage file, it should open the etcher app
[02:51] <gogeta> Rave1: yea it didnt run probly a issue with 18.04
[02:51] <gogeta> Rave1: used gnome multi wrighter inseed
[02:54] <Peyamm> gogeta: It didnt show the Legacy boot
[02:54] <Rave1> gogeta,  ok I am not using 18.04
[02:54] <Peyamm> but I booted the xubuntu anyway
[02:54] <gogeta> Peyamm: did you use gnome-multi-wirghter
[02:54] <Peyamm> gogeta: no. I rebooted and etcher worked
[02:54] <Peyamm> after the reboot
[02:54] <gogeta> Peyamm: oh nice
[02:55] <gogeta> Peyamm: wonder if xubuntu removed legicy
[02:55] <Peyamm> I dont know. why would they becouse it runs xfce for older machines
[02:55] <gogeta> Peyamm: yea strange
[02:56] <Peyamm> http://i.imgur.com/FCbsYbq.png this came up now
[02:56] <Peyamm> exacgly what I expected
[02:56] <Peyamm> now windows is dead too
[02:57] <Peyamm> gogeta: http://i.imgur.com/ncc76bk.png
[02:57] <gogeta> Peyamm: you can recover from that but you relly shouldent have gone that far
[02:57] <gogeta> Peyamm: if it was not in legicy mode
[02:57] <SporkWitch> sounds like a xubuntu issue
[02:58] <Peyamm> SporkWitch: xubuntu channel is dead
[02:58] <SporkWitch> nonetheless
[02:58] <Peyamm> no one answers thatäs why I headed here
[02:58] <Peyamm> but yeah. it is a xubuntu issue
[02:59] <Peyamm> If I remove the linux partitions. is there a way to rescue windows_
[02:59] <SporkWitch> you can try ##linux, but unless you're asking something that goes back to ubuntu, this isn't really the place.  Etcher will work for UEFI and legacy boots, assuming the image supports it.
[02:59] <SporkWitch> Peyamm: sure, boot with a windows disk and use the recovery option; one of the only things windows is good for is nuking linux boot loaders lol
[02:59] <cyb0rg> Peyamm: pretty sure you can reinstall the windows boot loader from a recovery shell of some sort with the windows install media
[03:00] <oerheks> my best bet: that machine has 32 bit uefi
[03:00] <cyb0rg> but you would need to spend some quality time with the google
[03:00] <SporkWitch> oerheks: oh, good hypothesis
[03:01] <gogeta> oerheks: he had no issue with stock ubuntu
[03:01] <SporkWitch> something is definitely jacked up in that xubuntu image, then; he's gonna have to wait on their forums or channel
[03:01] <gogeta> SporkWitch: indeed
[03:07] <i_heart_penguins> Why is askubuntu selling its soul to the devil? https://i.imgur.com/GOsDT2A.png
[03:08] <i_heart_penguins> it's blazened with microsoft ads
[03:08] <SporkWitch> because no one actual controls what adds show on their sites, and haven't in years; it's a computer-related site, it's a topical ad
[03:08] <gogeta> money truckloads on money
[03:08] <gogeta> of
[03:09] <i_heart_penguins> no big deal, thought it was kind of ironic and mildly amusing
[03:09] <irwiss> why are you on the internet without adblocker :P
[03:09] <i_heart_penguins> new install
[03:09] <Markdown1_> i_heart_penguins Ironic?
[03:09] <oerheks> $200 credit for 30 days, that maks any askubuntu reader smile
[03:10] <Markdown1_> Ubuntu subsystem comes with Windows 10
[03:10] <SporkWitch> Markdown1_: WSL is a bad, crippled joke
[03:10] <Markdown1_> thanks to Canonical and Microsoft partnership
[03:10] <i_heart_penguins> i tried to install Ubuntu subsystem last month and it failed. permissions issue, I think. also ironic considering i have more of those with linux
[03:11] <SporkWitch> i_heart_penguins: you need to activate the WSL with a powershell command first
[03:11] <Markdown1_> I have not even tried Windows in years
[03:12] <gogeta> Markdown1_: its pretty sad when qt5 plasma uses less resorced then windows 10
[03:12] <i_heart_penguins> SporkWitch: thought I did that. I had windows locked down enough that i probably goofed permissions for windows store which i rarely used
[03:12] <SporkWitch> my job won't let me put linux on my work computer, even though 99% of my job is web applications and ssh :'(
[03:12] <Markdown1_> gogeta Plasma 5 uses less resources than Gnome 3 as well
[03:13] <Markdown1_> I have to upgrade a few of my servers to 18.04
[03:13] <SporkWitch> Markdown1_: i'd hold off lol
[03:13] <Markdown1_> SporkWitch I am holding off as well
[03:13] <SporkWitch> that said, i don't use ubuntu for servers anyway; centos or debian, depending on what it's hosting
[03:14] <gogeta> Markdown1_: yea wait for the patched isos to hit
[03:15] <gogeta> SporkWitch: arch for servers (inserts dr eveil laugh)
[03:15] <i_heart_penguins> i'm on 18.04. longest i've ever used linux and liking it. 18 years i tried it on and off, first time i used it for a week or more. liking it
[03:15] <i_heart_penguins> liking my alzheimers too
[03:15] <i_heart_penguins> yes
[03:16] <Markdown1_> Ive been using Ubuntu Servers for long time
[03:16] <gogeta> i_heart_penguins: mutch has changed in 18 years
[03:16] <Markdown1_> but this LTS have too many changes
[03:16] <SporkWitch> i'd been using linux almost exclusively the last 10 years or so, last year i've been stuck on windows because of work and my desktop dying.  decided to try it on the new laptop anyway, and got the lovely surprise that everything that worked fine in WINE a year ago doesn't work at all now
[03:16] <gogeta> SporkWitch: haha thats wine for you
[03:17] <i_heart_penguins> only thing i don't like is command line because all the memorization, my weak point obviously. GUI is really an accessibility feature i can't live without
[03:17] <gogeta> SporkWitch: thats why launcher likes playonlinux and lutris that let you use multi versions of wine can be handy
[03:17] <SporkWitch> gogeta: not for a long time it hasn't been.  they had a change in the dev team about 5 or 6 years back and improvements started being rapid, support excellent.  don't know what's happened in the last year, but between idiots dropping opengl support and changes in the wine devs' focus, nothing works anymore
[03:17] <gogeta> SporkWitch: junkthat needs speical patches etc
[03:18] <SporkWitch> gogeta: playonlinux support has declined even more than wine itself, thanks to their focus on phoenicis; they don't maintain any of the scripts anymore
[03:18] <SporkWitch> half the stuff, like certain vb and vc versions, won't even install now
[03:18] <gogeta> SporkWitch: lutris is reltivly new
[03:19] <SporkWitch> i'm not a new hat at this :)
[03:19] <gogeta> SporkWitch: it handels wine steam emulators etc
[03:19] <SporkWitch> i said i'd been using linux almost exclusively for 10 years; i've been using it in general since the 90's, and unix before that
[03:19] <gogeta> SporkWitch: redhat 6
[03:19] <gogeta> SporkWitch: so whoever long ago that was
[03:20] <gogeta> SporkWitch: what 1998
[03:20] <SporkWitch> !enter
[03:20] <i_heart_penguins> SporkWitch: my parents were poor. wish i'd owned a pc back then
[03:20] <i_heart_penguins> i would've gotten in so much trouble
[03:20] <SporkWitch> i_heart_penguins: i was lucky, father used to work for DEC
[03:20] <gogeta> i_heart_penguins: my first pc i worked and made payment on for a year
[03:21] <i_heart_penguins> i saved $1k for a pos walmart pc. was worth it
[03:22] <gogeta> i_heart_penguins: yea it was a top end p4 box fancy gpu and all like a 2500$ rig back then
[03:23] <i_heart_penguins> fellow construction workers didn't understand. what n hell ya need a comprutr for? $1000? u gon b one nem desk jockeys?
[03:23] <gogeta> i_heart_penguins: now pcs are dirt cheap
[03:23] <i_heart_penguins> why for gaming, of course.
[03:24] <i_heart_penguins> i still play just enough games that linux has me covered these days. if it's not on linux i don't want it
[03:25] <gogeta> i_heart_penguins: yea windows 10 ended it for me
[03:25] <i_heart_penguins> i'll stop hogging the chat room though. when old timers reminisce, ain't no stopping that train sometimes
[03:25] <gogeta> i_heart_penguins: now the only machine with windows is for guest
[03:27] <i_heart_penguins> i didn't really intend much on getting away from windows 10, it just happened. first time i'm confident i think i'll stay on linux
[03:27] <gogeta> i_heart_penguins: even then 90% of them jsut pick up one of the andorid tablets
[03:27] <SporkWitch> if you have current hardware, gpu-passthrough is an option, too; that's the plan for my next built.  windows host, pick up a second gtx1060, gun windows guest with passthrough for anything i can't make behave
[03:28] <i_heart_penguins> i have ubuntu on a guest pc. it's great for that
[03:28] <SporkWitch> if they're used to mac, give them gnome; windows, give them kde.  most won't notice a difference
[03:28] <gogeta> SporkWitch: where all old men talking abut this stuff most younger people have there fablets and thats it
[03:29] <i_heart_penguins> SporkWitch: thought about it but seems too much work. i'd probably just dual boot should i feel the urge to play windows game
[03:29] <i_heart_penguins> + you need a second monitor too, right? meh
[03:29] <gogeta> SporkWitch: in fact mobile is now outselling everything else in terms of game sales
[03:29] <SporkWitch> i_heart_penguins: no way, rebooting is much more of a headache, never mind allowing windows direct access to storage, and MSFT's habit of rewriting the MBR just to be a dick
[03:29] <SporkWitch> gogeta: very misleading figures
[03:30] <gogeta> SporkWitch: naa i think younger people dont put those phones down ever
[03:30] <gogeta> i think so
[03:30] <SporkWitch> i_heart_penguins: no, you just need a second graphics card (or onboard + discrete).  i already have a 1060 and that'll be more than fine for another 5 years or so, a second one will cost dirt by xmas
[03:31] <phinxy> How would the sysadmin write two values, VID and PID in to /sys/bus/hid/drivers/a4tech/new_id? echo -n foo bar > new_id; fails with either permission error or echo: write error..
[03:31] <atrain__> network
[03:32] <gogeta> SporkWitch: the pc is gonna be to us what the tv is to my dad genration
[03:32] <i_heart_penguins> SporkWitch: good deal. i might have to do that some time. i've yet to install windows again, maybe i can survive without it as i only used it for gaming. we'll see
[03:32] <SporkWitch> gogeta: not the point; they may be selling in volume, but it's unlikely that the money has taken over; it's also not as reliable.  if it weren't sufficiently reliable and profitable, you'd see a decline in the other markets.  The people that buy mobile games don't buy regular games, and vice versa.  It's the same flawed argument feminists use when talking about half of gamers being women; it's
[03:32] <SporkWitch> only true if you lump together two completely different types of gamers: mobile vs literally everything else
[03:33] <gogeta> SporkWitch: i think you gonna see more and more aaa titles on mobile
[03:33] <SporkWitch> i_heart_penguins: a year ago, DCS, SC, and FFXIV were the only things i played that wouldn't behave in WINE; now I can't get _anything_ behaving.
[03:33] <gogeta> SporkWitch: hell the switch as proven the markets there
[03:33] <SporkWitch> gogeta: you might, it doesn't change the demographics, though.
[03:34] <SporkWitch> gogeta: have you TRIED playing anything more advanced than cookie clicker without a gamepad?
[03:34] <i_heart_penguins> i'm old enough i still remember tv fascination, especially among youth. remember Black Flag - TV Party? a lot of culture revolved around tvs then
[03:34] <gogeta> SporkWitch: i have a gamepad :)
[03:34] <gogeta> SporkWitch: a moga power
[03:34] <atrain__> how do i switch to dalnet?
[03:34] <i_heart_penguins> PCs also had a short-lived culture among youth, now it's mostly mobile gadgets
[03:34] <SporkWitch> gogeta: so do i, but i'm not walking around everywhere with it in my pocket, nor would i have gone out of my way to buy one if i couldn't get my existing usb devices to work.
[03:35] <gogeta> SporkWitch: the moga power is a power bank/gamepad
[03:35] <gogeta> SporkWitch: and it can mount the phone mutch easer then a usb one
[03:36] <SporkWitch> gogeta: the mobile games that succeed, the ones you're talking about, are things like candy crush and cookie clicker.  the single most advanced mobile games i'm aware of are Galaxy on Fire 2 (released at least 7 years ago) and Vendetta Online (basically REQUIRES a gamepad, though the vr version works remarkably well for what it is; would still be better with a gamepad)
[03:36] <gogeta> SporkWitch: they spoort them :0
[03:36] <SporkWitch> gogeta: i'm familiar with the moga power; it's also ridiculous to think anyone would carry it around all day.
[03:36] <gogeta> SporkWitch: pug-g and fornight hit mobile
[03:37] <gogeta> SporkWitch: and there a huge sucess
[03:38] <SporkWitch> gogeta: they may well be, until next month when the next one comes out or people already forget about them.  meanwhile most that are playing them wouldn't have played the console or pc versions, and vice versa
[03:40] <gogeta> SporkWitch: some mobile chips ilike the 845 are as strong as mid range gameing rigs
[03:41] <gogeta> SporkWitch: of course most people write for the low end being thats 98% of sales
[03:42] <SporkWitch> gogeta: which isn't at all the point.  tiny screen, subpar graphics, terrible controls.  in order to covercome these, you need to buy expensive and unwieldy peripherals of mixed quality and performance.  Again, you're looking at totally disparate markets.
[03:43] <gogeta> SporkWitch: i dunno man pug-g mobile plays better then pc
[03:44] <gogeta> SporkWitch: ask anyone
[03:44] <gogeta> SporkWitch: and its gfx scale to the phone so if your hi end you get the hi end gfx
[03:46] <gogeta> SporkWitch: but i will say thats the only game i seen any dev hit it out of the park when it comes to a mobile port
[03:46] <insidious> hi
[03:47] <SporkWitch> !enter gogeta
[03:47] <SporkWitch> !enter
[03:47] <insidious> I'm trying to install ubuntu 18 on a Asus rog strix laptop with a GTX 1050
[03:47] <insidious> I get a black screen after I click boot into llivr
[03:47] <insidious> erm live
[03:47] <insidious> or if I click install now same thing
[03:47] <SporkWitch> insidious: overall it works fine on mine with the 1060, but the elan1200 touchpad doesn't work without a lot of work, and even then it's flaky.  don't do it unless you're willing to always use a mouse
[03:48] <SporkWitch> how long did you wait on the black screen?
[03:48] <insidious> not long
[03:48] <insidious> 1 min
[03:48] <SporkWitch> give it a few; especially since it's going to default to nouveau drivers, it can take a bit to come up; if it's still black after 5, try booting with nomodeset
[03:49] <gogeta> insidious: may wanna give it a second
[03:49] <insidious> hmm
[03:49] <gogeta> insidious: i have  old 260 and ubuntu will go black for about 30 seconds then come up
[03:49] <insidious> so delete quiet splash ----
[03:53] <insidious> I mean it don't do nothing at all
[03:53] <insidious> thinking light don't even blink
[03:54] <gogeta> insidious: you hdd light likley wond being its loading from usb into ram
[03:54] <gogeta> whont
[03:54] <SporkWitch> *won't
[03:54] <insidious> I deleted quiet splash and tried nomodeset
[03:54] <insidious> nothing
[03:56] <i_heart_penguins> insidious: might also try different settings in the bios. my previous motherboard i had to disable amd power saving (cfe, i think) for it to boot years ago
[03:56] <gogeta> insidious: if i rember thers some odd bug with nivida and eft
[03:56] <gogeta> efi
[03:57] <gogeta> insidious: it may only work in legicy mode
[03:57] <SporkWitch> odd... your machine should be nearly identical to mine.  only other semi-big difference would be i did kubuntu, not ubuntu
[03:57] <SporkWitch> gogeta: nope, works even with secure boot, at least the kubuntu installer does
[03:57] <insidious> hmm
[03:57] <insidious> so no way to install it ?
[03:58] <SporkWitch> i'm running secure boot enabled, uefi, shim+mok right now without issue, kubuntu 18.04, image made with etcher
[03:58] <insidious> I used Rufus
[03:58] <SporkWitch> insidious: if you can get some logs about what's actually failing, but if it's just black screen it'll be difficult
[03:58] <gogeta> SporkWitch: its a new bug so
[03:58] <insidious> I don't think it's a bug
[03:58] <insidious> moreless a graphics issue
[03:58] <SporkWitch> gogeta: the image is still 18.04; no newer images out yet since release
[03:58] <insidious> for Nvidia
[03:59] <gogeta> insidious: you can try booting into vesa mode installing then instilling the nivida drivers
[04:00] <insidious> how ?
[04:01] <SporkWitch> insidious: do you have a particular love for ubuntu > kubuntu?  If not, give kubuntu a go.  Especially on laptops, i'm of the opinion that if you're having to struggle to get the live environment working, it's only going to be the start of the hell of getting and keeping everything working
[04:02] <gogeta> SporkWitch: i dont think a diffrent wm will fix it
[04:02] <insidious> correct
[04:02] <gogeta> insidious: remove quiet and add xforcevesa
[04:02] <SporkWitch> gogeta: his hardware is nearly identical to mine, he just bought a tiny bit lower end model from the same manufacturer
[04:02] <gogeta> insidious: that should but x into softwhr
[04:02] <gogeta> softwhere render
[04:03] <gogeta> SporkWitch: yes but did you aruldy have nivida drivers installed
[04:03] <SporkWitch> insidious: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834234830 kubuntu 18.04 came right up, installed fine.
[04:03] <SporkWitch> gogeta: it had the preinstalled windows image, it booted the kubuntu live image just fine
[04:04] <SporkWitch> gogeta: no extra options, no extra steps
[04:04] <gogeta> SporkWitch: wonder if its a 105ti
[04:04] <gogeta> 1050
[04:04] <gogeta> SporkWitch: a newer card then yours
[04:04] <SporkWitch> i'd need to know his exact model to be sure, but he said rog strix; it's most likely gtx105m
[04:05] <McBoot> Hello everyone, the samba package isn't available to me on Ubuntu 18.04, Even an apt search yields no results. Installation just says the package 'samba' has no installation candidate.
[04:05] <insidious> it's the gtx 1050
[04:05] <gogeta> SporkWitch: stricks come up to 1080
[04:05] <gogeta> insidious: 1050 or 1050ti
[04:05] <insidious> i7 7700hq
[04:05] <SporkWitch> gogeta: and 1060, and 1050 apparently
[04:05] <insidious> no ti
[04:05] <SporkWitch> insidious: what's the asus model number?
[04:05] <Flannel> McBoot: Please pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy samba`
[04:05] <SporkWitch> gogeta: and it's strix, not stricks
[04:06] <insidious> 703v
[04:06] <Flannel> McBoot: and then (or even in the same pastebin) you can paste the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[04:06] <SporkWitch> Flannel: we already got him the right package about 8 hours ago; not sure why he's asking again, he said he found it...
[04:06] <insidious> I tried adding that option
[04:06] <insidious> it was a no go
[04:07] <SporkWitch> insidious: humour me and try the kubuntu 18.04 image
[04:07] <insidious> okay I'll grab a image
[04:07] <gogeta> SporkWitch: looking it up its probly a newr revsion im seeing reports of 1050 and blackscreen with asus machines
[04:07] <SporkWitch> insidious: if only to see if it comes up at all; if it doesn't, we can always dig deeper.
[04:07] <insidious> okay
[04:07] <Flannel> SporkWitch: For the record, it looks like you really didn't.
[04:07] <SporkWitch> gogeta: doesn't mean much; you can find blackscreen issues with almost any nvidia card; nomodeset almost always resolves it
[04:08] <gogeta> SporkWitch: yep and there saying thats not working as well
[04:08] <insidious> yeah why I came hsrw
[04:08] <SporkWitch> Flannel: we pointed him at apt search samba, and then he said he found what he needed; sorry for taking people at their word and then wondering why the question wasn't modified at all
[04:10] <SporkWitch> McBoot: you said you found the package earlier; what's the new issue?
[04:10] <Flannel> SporkWitch: I have no interest in arguing with you in here, but no, he didn't say anything of the sort.  I just read the backscroll.  It's probable that someone else may have said something similar and you mixed up two lines.  But again, no big deal.  We can help him now.
[04:10] <gogeta> insidious: yea nobody has posted any fix
[04:11] <McBoot> SporkWitch: I thought I did when I read the smbc package description, but that was inaccurate at the time.
[04:11] <McBoot> Flannel: https://pastebin.com/qLDVMS3M
[04:11] <Flannel> McBoot: thanks
[04:11] <insidious> is it just with the latest version 18?
[04:11] <insidious> or 16 as well
[04:11] <Flannel> McBoot: Ok, it looks like you only have universe and backports enabled.  You definitely want to enable 'main'.
[04:12] <gogeta> insidious: from what i can tell thers is a issue with nivida and efi
[04:12] <SporkWitch> insidious: if it's what he thinks it is, it would impact older as well
[04:12] <McBoot> Flannel: Oh, how can you tell from that so I know in the future? I'll modify my repository setup.
[04:13] <gogeta> insidious: you can try this nomodeset grub_gfxmode=vesa
[04:13] <SporkWitch> McBoot: it's in the get lines
[04:13] <McBoot> Ahhh, I see. I'll test.
[04:14] <Flannel> McBoot: Because that's only getting sources from bionic-updates/universe and bionic-security/universe.  Actually, I guess I misspoke, you only have universe enabled.
[04:14] <McBoot> Flannel: What is the recommended setup?
[04:14] <SporkWitch> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main amd64 vs http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/universe amd64
[04:15] <gogeta> insidious: there saying to use legicy mode
[04:15] <SporkWitch> McBoot: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list and there should be a commented line for main
[04:15] <Flannel> McBoot: Whatever you want.  Most people do main, universe, many do restricted and multiverse.  Here's a page that explains the differences: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[04:15] <gogeta> insidious: as thers problems with efi and the newsest nivida drivers
[04:15] <Flannel> SporkWitch: slow down.
[04:16] <insidious> I tired legacy mode
[04:16] <insidious> I tried it all lol
[04:16] <insidious> hence I'm here
[04:16] <insidious> lol
[04:16] <Flannel> McBoot: Basically, main is canonical supported, universe is community supported.  restricted is canonical but non-free (as in speech), multiverse is a larger set of non-free.
[04:16] <McBoot> SporkWitch: Flannel Thank you both so much! I'll modify.
[04:16] <gogeta> insidious: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1033110/unable-to-start-xorg-gdm-on-ubuntu-18-04-with-nvidia-drivers-on-1060-gtx/
[04:16] <insidious> about to try his kde version
[04:16] <gogeta> insidious: worth a shot
[04:17] <SporkWitch> if it's gdm-specific, that would explain kubuntu working fine, since it uses sddm
[04:17] <gogeta> insidious: it seems to be effecting gdm
[04:17] <gogeta> insidious: so kde ssdm may acully work
[04:17] <Flannel> McBoot: Once you've added main (and whatever else you want), you'll need to do an update again to grab the listings.  Then you should see samba.
[04:17] <insidious> ah
[04:18] <SporkWitch> insidious: if you prefer gnome over kde, you should still be able to install gnome3 and launch it with sddm; probably easier to go that direction than trying to get the ubuntu installer behaving (depending on what that link says; i admittedly haven't read it)
[04:19] <insidious> I was installing Ubuntu for the bungie
[04:19] <SporkWitch> bungie? O.o
[04:19] <gogeta> SporkWitch: it says whenever they trigger gdm the system locks
[04:19] <insidious> ya
[04:19] <gogeta> SporkWitch: eg blackscreen
[04:19] <insidious> is it crap ?
[04:19] <SporkWitch> insidious: i've no idea what it is lol
[04:19] <gogeta> insidious: no kde plasma 5 is nice
[04:19] <SporkWitch> gogeta: i think he meant bungie
[04:19] <insidious> yah lol
[04:19] <gogeta> insidious: you can even make it behave like gnome 3 if you like
[04:20] <Flannel> SporkWitch: No, it's budgie.
[04:20] <gogeta> insidious: budgie is pretty but a new player
[04:20] <insidious> ahh
[04:20] <gogeta> insidious: its lighter then gnome 3 etc
[04:20] <Flannel> SporkWitch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgie_%28desktop_environment%29
[04:20] <SporkWitch> Flannel: i was just quoting him; that it was the wrong term explains why i had no clue what he was talking about lol
[04:21] <SporkWitch> ah, i was told ubuntu switched back to gnome
[04:21] <gogeta> SporkWitch: it did
[04:22] <SporkWitch> that wiki link is saying gnome-based but not gnome, but i suppose we could be splitting hairs at that point
[04:22] <gogeta> SporkWitch: its gtk3 based eg gnome based
[04:23] <gogeta> SporkWitch: its bascily gnome like without being a systen hog
[04:23] <SporkWitch> qt team needs to get off their butts and get the qt5 libs production-ready >_< all these gnome filepickers in my KDE are driving me nuts lol
[04:23] <gogeta> lol
[04:23] <SporkWitch> still can't forgive mozilla for that one; it's such a bad filepicker lol
[04:23] <insidious> kde
[04:23] <insidious> black screen
[04:24] <SporkWitch> insidious: flashing kubuntu name+logo then black? or did it not even get you that much?
[04:24] <McBoot> Flannel: SporkWitch: Yes! Got Samba installed, and lots of other programs updated after enabling main. Thank you both!!!
[04:24] <insidious> correct
[04:24] <SporkWitch> McBoot: i'm curious how it got disabled in the first place lol
[04:24] <SporkWitch> insidious: which? lol
[04:25] <insidious> I choose what to boot it flashed logo
[04:25] <insidious> then black
[04:25] <McBoot> SporkWitch: I know I messed with my repository setup via gui at one point, I must have accidentally disabled it.
[04:25] <SporkWitch> okay, try once more with nomodeset, if that doesn't work then this is gonna get interesting >_<
[04:25] <insidious> ok
[04:26] <SporkWitch> McBoot: makes sense; fixed now at least :)  I tend to prefer CLI tools for most stuff, makes it a little harder to do things like that by accident
[04:26] <SporkWitch> (well, assuming you make sure you understand the commands you're entering before hitting enter, heh)
[04:28] <McBoot> SporkWitch: Definitely o.o
[04:30] <insidious> didn't help
[04:30] <insidious> I deleted quiet slash ----
[04:30] <insidious> entered nomodeset
[04:31] <insidious> notihng
[04:33] <SporkWitch> insidious: kubuntu 18.04 LTS AMD64 ISO? uefi and secure boot enabled?
[04:33] <insidious> secure boot disabled
[04:34] <SporkWitch> eh, i doubt that'd be the issue anyway, just trying to see where you diverge from my setup; i'm honestly quite surprised to see an issue on such a similar machine
[04:40] <Two_Dogs> insidious: after the grub edit you ran 'sudo update-grub'?
[04:41] <SporkWitch> Two_Dogs: he'd be doing it from the grub menu; livedisk
[04:41] <coolstar> just installed Ubuntu 18.04 and have to say that it's really nice to use; the UI design looks great now
[04:42] <coolstar> one thing I do have to wonder, is there a way to use nouveau with Optimus? (GTX 1050 mobile)
[04:42] <Two_Dogs> SporkWitch: got you, hes on a live
[04:43] <insidious> what grub uodate
[04:43] <Two_Dogs> insidious: my bad, you cant 'sudo update-grub' a live session
[04:44] <coolstar> also cool that code I upstreamed 7 months ago to the Linux kernel to add support for my laptop is in 18.04 :D
[04:44] <SporkWitch> Two_Dogs: yeah.  he's on an asus rog strix series laptop (didn't give the exact model number) with an nvidia 1050 (unclear which particular variant).  it's almost identical to the asus rog strix laptop i'm running on with a gtx1060 (106m).  no real issues with kubuntu18.04 with secure boot enabled (just the well-known issues with the elan1200 touchpads).  he gets the initial splash, but once the
[04:44] <SporkWitch> DM tries to kick on it's black screen and hard lock
[04:44] <matjam> coolstar: someone was in here earlier and they got it working with the binary driver
[04:45] <coolstar> matjam, yeah I have the binary driver here as well; not a huge fan that I have to reboot to switch GPU's... pretty bad for battery life if I just leave it on nvidia
[04:46] <SporkWitch> coolstar: it should; i actually had to do a little finagling to get mine to switch to the official binaries; driver manager (on kubuntu) still shows nouveau, even after hitting apply on the 396 binaries, though lspci reports it's using nvidia
[04:46] <insidious> I gave u the model bro
[04:46] <insidious> scroll up
[04:46] <insidious> lol
[04:46] <SporkWitch> insidious: if you didn't highlight me, i'm likely to have missed it lol
[04:46] <insidious> g703v
[04:46] <insidious> ah
[04:46] <gogeta> insidious: no luck
[04:47] <insidious> nope
[04:47] <coolstar> SporkWitch, er let me clarify, I have it working with the nvidia binary driver right now, but I'd like to use nouveau if possible instead
[04:47] <SporkWitch> coolstar: okay, i think you're crazy, but shouldn't it be as simple as toggling it in the driver manager and/or uninstalling the 390/396 driver?
[04:47] <SporkWitch> :P
[04:47] <insidious> manjaro and and arch latest versions boot just seems to be a ubintu issue
[04:48] <insidious> Ubuntu
[04:48] <gogeta> insidious: thats beecouse there rolling and have a new oss driver
[04:48] <gogeta> newer
[04:48] <SporkWitch> ubuntu and derivatives; i don't know what it might be, as far as i can see that laptop should be fine if mine is...
[04:49] <insidious> I personally never encountered something like this with ubuntu
[04:49] <insidious> ever
[04:49] <coolstar> SporkWitch, it just uses the Intel iGPU if I just do that... tried running a program with optirun/primusrun/DRI_PRIME and it seems the system hangs when I do that with nouveau selected
[04:49] <insidious> on various of my builds n systems
[04:49] <insidious> I'm stumped
[04:50] <gogeta> insidious: its a nivida problem we over at arch have been dealing with it to
[04:50] <coolstar> saw that nouveau got 10 series support in some articles online so maybe it's nouveau just doesn't support Optimus on laptop yet or something?
[04:50] <gogeta> insidious: and it only seems to be some cards
[04:50] <insidious> ah
[04:50] <SporkWitch> coolstar: don't know how much the hardware differs; only thing i know is the reports say ±10% performance parity with the desktop variants, heh
[04:50] <coolstar> haven't dealt with nvidia much on until I got this laptop (my desktop has an AMD card :P) hence why I'm wondering what's up with nouveau on here
[04:51] <Two_Dogs> insidious: what kernel?
[04:51] <SporkWitch> coolstar: well if the desktop has ATI you should be used to driver headaches :P
[04:51] <SporkWitch> Two_Dogs: whatever's on the current 18.04 ISOs
[04:51] <gogeta> insidious: trust me we where ranting for days why nivida keeps braking wayland
[04:51] <coolstar> SporkWitch, actually my desktop works OOTB with the RX 480 funny enough
[04:52] <coolstar> just booted Linux on it and was good to go
[04:52] <SporkWitch> coolstar: i've never had anything but hell with ATI on linux, and only marginally better on windows
[04:52] <insidious> yeah gogeta is quite annoying
[04:52] <coolstar> ATI? pre-2006 or something?
[04:53] <gogeta> SporkWitch: nivida has not been mutch better as of late
[04:53] <SporkWitch> coolstar: naw, it's a personal thing for me.  I have a lot of respect for AMD, but there are still too many legacy ATI issues for me to taint the AMD name with the GPUs issues :P
[04:53] <coolstar> SporkWitch, to be honest I can't tell if I'm getting the full performance out of my RX 480 anyways because I paired it with a Core i3 6100 in my desktop lol
[04:53] <coolstar> (yes it was a cheap build)
[04:53] <gogeta> SporkWitch: bascily everyone agreed on standerd then nivida was like nope we will brake everything
[04:54] <coolstar> tfw 8 GB VRAM paired with 8 GB system memory as well
[04:54] <SporkWitch> gogeta: that's starting to seem like everyone these days; i'm actually about to drop 50 USD on recovery media to put windows back on this laptop just because no matter what i do i can't get ANY of the stuff i used to be able to run in WINE to even install, let alone run
[04:54] <gogeta> SporkWitch: you dont need to drop any money on that
[04:54] <gogeta> SporkWitch: you key is tired to your efi
[04:55] <gogeta> SporkWitch: any clean iso will do
[04:55] <SporkWitch> gogeta: it's worth it to avoid the headaches of building windows USB install media then tracking down all the drivers for a laptop
[04:55] <gogeta> SporkWitch: most drivers are in the windows update so they all should auto install
[04:56] <coolstar> SporkWitch, tbh at least that isn't as bad as the way I had to install Ubuntu on my laptop :p
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> guys, keep it ubuntu related
[04:56] <coolstar> because GRUB is broken here
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> we have a nice #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[04:56] <gogeta> coolstar: i just fixed anothr user with grub issues
[04:56] <SporkWitch> plus, i have no legitimate win10 install media, which just compounds the headaches (and i've never had anything but trouble trying to install windows from USB; my favourite was when it got far enough to nuke the partition table then fail to set up a system partition, resulting in a working linux machine becoming a brick)
[04:56] <coolstar> had to point VMWare to a partition on my SSD and install Ubuntu from inside Windows; then mount EFI partition to install rEFInd
[04:57] <gogeta> coolstar: from what we can tell the xubuntu is totaly broken when it comes to legicy
[04:57] <coolstar> gogeta, GRUB hangs when booting any linux kernel on my laptop for whatever reason
[04:57] <coolstar> even in the installer it doesn't boot
[04:57] <gogeta> coolstar: nivida??
[04:57] <coolstar> nah, even with the nvidia card disabled (using iGPU)
[04:57] <SporkWitch> coolstar: acpi is the most common issue i've seen to cause that, historically
[04:58] <coolstar> booting the Linux kernel directly from EFI shell or rEFInd works fine here though
[04:58] <coolstar> with the same args as the ones used in GRUB too
[04:58] <superguest> does anyone know if the kernel shipped with Ubuntu has the CPU Microcode Loading features (namely, CONFIG_MICROCODE and CONFIG_MICROCODE_INTEL=Y, plus some others) enabled?
[05:02] <coolstar> anyone know how to permanently disable mouse acceleration for a certain mouse in Ubuntu?
[05:02] <coolstar> disabled it temporarily with xinput from the command line but I'd like the setting to persist
[05:03] <coolstar> (I used `xinput --set-prop 10 'libinput Accel Profile Enabled' 0, 1` to set it temporarily. Mouse is a Logitech G203)
[05:05] <Shmam> what device should I select for boot loader installation? The partition that I'm installing on (/dev/nvme0n1p7) or the device itself (/dev/nvme0n1)
[05:05] <SporkWitch> not sure where that'd be in ubuntu; on kubuntu, the kde input device settings have it right there...
[05:05] <SporkWitch> Shmam: i don't believe that makes a difference
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | Shmam
[05:08] <matjam> Shmam: I use the device itself
[05:08] <matjam> Shmam: It will add an entry for Windows in Grub
[05:09] <matjam> (assuming you have other OSs installed)
[05:09] <Shmam> ok now its saying that no root filesystem is defined
[05:09] <Shmam> yea
[05:09] <Shmam> do I just need to set use as for p7 to ext4 and set the mount point to "/"?
[05:09] <matjam> Shmam: did you do manual partitioning?
[05:10] <Shmam> yeah the automatic wants to resize my partition then make another one for the os
[05:10] <Shmam> and it tries to wipe the whole disk if I make it unallocated
[05:10] <Shmam> so im going manual
[05:12] <matjam> Shmam: ok, so, you need a / partition, selected in the "Use As" field, and an EFI system partition should already be there, and you should make at least a 2GB swap partition.
[05:12] <matjam> thats the bare minimum, though I do recommend also having a 1GB /boot partition, also ext4.
[05:13] <Shmam> what does the /boot partition do?
[05:13] <Shmam> and do I need a swap partition if I have 16gb ram? Its unlikely that I will really need it
[05:13] <matjam> Shmam: it holds the kernels, as well as boot configuration.
[05:14] <matjam> Shmam: you should always have at least 2GB swap; there's internal reasons for it, but it's not recommended to have no swap partition at all.
[05:15] <matjam> you could skip the /boot partition these days really
[05:15] <Shmam> alright. Is the /boot partition a common thing? I've never heard of that before
[05:15] <Shmam> oh
[05:15] <matjam> I use it because I use btrfs for /
[05:15] <gogeta> matjam: you cant skip boot on efi
[05:15] <gogeta> matjam: it whont work
[05:15] <matjam> what won't work?
[05:15] <gogeta> matjam: your system
[05:15] <matjam> clearly it doesn't work
[05:16] <Shmam> ok what is the recommended size for swap? I have room for more than 2gb
[05:16] <matjam> as I'm booted right now :P
[05:16] <matjam> 2GB is fine.
[05:16] <gogeta> matjam: are you using legicy big diffrence
[05:16] <matjam> nope, UEFI.
[05:16] <gogeta> matjam: most efi systems bulk if thers no efi boot partation
[05:16] <matjam> .. yes I have a efi boot partition
[05:17] <matjam> I meantioned that
[05:17] <gogeta> matjam: oh ok
[05:17] <Shmam> ok so I'm creating a 2000 mb (2GB) partition, use as: swap, no mount point
[05:17] <matjam> yup
[05:17] <matjam> 2048 ;-)
[05:18] <Shmam> and then the rest of the space is going to be Ext4 journaling file system with a mount point of "/"
[05:18] <anddam> SporkWitch: the server is headless
[05:18] <matjam> that'll work
[05:18] <matjam> Shmam: and you have an efi partition right? it should already be there
[05:18] <Shmam> wait why 2048?
[05:19] <matjam> ram is measued in powers of 2
[05:19] <Shmam> I have windows installed which has an efi part (/dev/nvme0n1p2)
[05:19] <matjam> its a nice round number :P
[05:19] <matjam> (its a joke, it won't really matter)
[05:20] <matjam> yup you should be good.
[05:21] <Shmam> ok it shows 1mb as free space. should I just leave this?
[05:21] <matjam> yup
[05:21] <matjam> you lose that
[05:21] <Shmam> okey dokey
[05:22] <matjam> block size rounding thing
[05:24] <Shmam> ok I previously had a different version of ubuntu on here, is there any way that I can find out what partitions are from that and clear those out? I dont want to accidentally wipe any of the windows partitions
[05:24] <gogeta> Shmam: windows will be ntfs formated
[05:25] <gogeta> Shmam: and likly marked windows
[05:25] <matjam> Shmam: anything linux will be marked linux too
[05:25] <Shmam> what is the efi partition?
[05:25] <gogeta> Shmam: never remove
[05:25] <matjam> part of the EFI boot system
[05:25] <gogeta> that will brake things
[05:26] <matjam> necessary for both windows and linux
[05:26] <EriC^^> it's for the bootloader sham
[05:26] <Shmam> ok it looks like I had a 16gb swap partition from last install. I can just use that right?
[05:26] <gogeta> Shmam: it shoud let you yes
[05:27] <gogeta> Shmam: just make shure you slect is as swap
[05:28] <matjam> Shmam: it will use it automatically
[05:28] <Shmam> cool
[05:28] <matjam> 16GB is huge though, I don't ever feel the need heh
[05:29] <matjam> though, nvme, is fast
[05:29] <gogeta> matjam: you can make it smaller if you wish
[05:29] <matjam> yup
[05:29] <Shmam> I read somewhere that it should be the same as the amount of ram that your system has
[05:29] <gogeta> Shmam: kinda old hat
[05:29] <matjam> thats traditionally true, but these days it's not really necessary
[05:29] <gogeta> Shmam: you your using all 16gb and wanna hibernate then yes
[05:29] <Shmam> but I have lots of extra room and a few extra gb wont really be a big deal
[05:30] <gogeta> Shmam: if your using
[05:30] <gogeta> Shmam: eg lots of linux vms
[05:30] <matjam> all the extra swap does it make it so when your machine is swapping due to some buggy out of control software, it takes longer to hit max memory and get killed
[05:31] <gogeta> but if i rember ubuntu swap is dynamic now
[05:31] <gogeta> it grows as nedded
[05:31] <Shmam> gogeta: or lots of chrome tabs and extensions xD
[05:31] <gogeta> the swapfiles
[05:31] <uruwi_> thrash-protect is useful too
[05:32] <enes> "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: roundcube-core is broken or not fully installed" anybody got any thoughts on how I might fix this? I tried removing all roundcube related packages and reinstalling but I keep getting the same error
[05:33] <Irukandji> Hey all, if I'm running 16.04 32-bit, can I force upgrade to 18.04 (32-bit) and keep unity?
[05:33] <gogeta> Irukandji: yes and no
[05:33] <gogeta> Irukandji: you can install unity later
[05:34] <Irukandji> Hmmm, my machine doesn't play well with Gnome. How long is 16.04 supported for? another year or two?
[05:34] <EriC^^> til 2021
[05:35] <gogeta> Irukandji: id your machine 64bit?
[05:35] <gogeta> is
[05:35] <gogeta> Irukandji: xubuntu wold not be a bad alt
[05:35] <Irukandji> gogeta, Negative, atleast not at the moment.
[05:35] <gogeta> Irukandji: oh then beware 18.04 will be the last 32bit
[05:36] <Irukandji> I am hoping to upgrade to a 64-bit CPU, although my setup will still only support 3gb ram
[05:36] <gogeta> Irukandji: time to replace the rig
[05:37] <Markdown1_> Irukandji try out Ubuntu Mate
[05:37] <gogeta> Irukandji: yes mate uus based off the old gnome 2 very light
[05:37] <Markdown1_> Irukandji https://ubuntu-mate.org/
[05:37] <Irukandji> gogeta, Perhaps rig was an overstatement. It's just for writing so I guess anything will do
[05:37] <gogeta> is
[05:37] <gogeta> Irukandji: look at a nuc j5005
[05:38] <gogeta> Irukandji: dirt cheap new tech
[05:38] <gogeta> Irukandji: https://www.amazon.com/Intel-NUC-NUC7PJYH-Desktop-Computer/dp/B07CGBKX9H
[05:38] <gogeta> Irukandji: thers also a celeron one
[05:38] <gogeta> like 30$ cheaper
[05:39] <gogeta> Irukandji: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B79CS8N/ref=psdc_3015426011_t2_B07CGBKX9H
[05:39] <Irukandji> Thanks but unfortunately this will be my setup for a while. It's not all bad. ThinkPad T60p (Core 2 Duo, 3gb ram, 1600x1200 4:3 ratio FlexView LCD))
[05:39] <gogeta> Irukandji: bring your own ram and drive and your done
[05:39] <gogeta> Irukandji: of your core 2 your fine its 64bit
[05:40] <matjam> thought the core 2 duo was 64bit
[05:40] <gogeta> or
[05:40] <gogeta> Irukandji: yea your fine
[05:40] <guiverc> Irukandji, 16.04 (released 2016.april) came with 5 years of support - lots of it is still left!  (16+5=21)
[05:42] <gogeta> Irukandji: its just 32bit is being phased out so i was like you gotta get on the 64bit bandwagon but your machine is 64bit
[05:46] <Evalovelac3> test
[05:46] <Evalovelac3> hey there
[05:46] <Syron> hey
[05:47] <Evalovelac3> I could use some help with a alpha networks driver, basically...
[05:47] <Evalovelac3> I got a new desktop computer, I install Linux, no wifi support for alpha networks awus036ach, so I hop on MacBook and look into the driver install with rtl8812au and dkms, compiling from source, I get the adapter to scan down wireless aps, however, upon entering ssid passphrase correctly I am refused entry from the gods
[05:47] <Evalovelac3> I can see it with #sudo modinfo 8821au
[05:48] <Evalovelac3> and it's listed with iwconfig
[05:48] <Evalovelac3> any ideas?
[05:49] <gogeta> Evalovelac3: if you can get the windows ini you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[05:51] <Two_Dogs> Evalovelac3: you are here on chat how?
[05:52] <Evalovelac3> yes
[05:54] <Two_Dogs> Evalovelac3: copy/paste & execute via terminal> journalctl --dmesg --pri=3 | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[05:54] <gogeta> Two_Dogs: pretty shure i  gave him a fix
[05:54] <Two_Dogs> gogeta: fix?
[05:54] <gogeta> Two_Dogs: using ndiswrapper
[05:55] <Two_Dogs> gogeta: use windows drive fix?
[05:55] <Two_Dogs> Evalovelac3: fixed?
[05:55] <gogeta> Two_Dogs: you get the ini files fromthe driver yes
[05:55] <gogeta> ini file
[05:56] <Two_Dogs> gogeta: you mean that hardware of his only has one fix? go windows driver?
[05:57] <gogeta> Two_Dogs: wifi is hit and miss
[05:57] <Syron> So I'm running ubiquiti's camera server on a dedicated ubuntu desktop ltr box and it's working great. Tried to build another one just using ubuntu server and I can't seem to connect remotely, just locally on my lan. It's weird because my gatway is able to route it to my old one fine, but when I switch the target to my new one it fails, it even fails when I spoof the mac address of the old one (so the IP is the same to the gateway),
[05:57] <Syron>  yet I can still connect from my local desktop. I need to be able to connect remotely though. Any ideas before I blow it away with a fresh install?
[05:58] <ELQEYNN> Is there any Zulu here?
[05:59] <gogeta> Syron: you likly need to enable ufw to allow that
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> !ot | ELQEYNN
[05:59] <Syron> it has a default firewall of some sort that would stop it unless I enable ufw?
[05:59] <gogeta> Syron: thats what it sounds like
[06:00] <Syron> I was thinking about it but if that's it I'll try that next
[06:00] <gogeta> Syron: yes defult
[06:00] <Syron> awesome
[06:00] <Syron> :D
[06:00] <Syron> figured it might be hardened more than the desktop build
[06:00] <ELQEYNN> Has there ever been a Zulu here?  ubuntu is a word from the Zulu language.
[06:00] <gogeta> Syron: even the desktop has ufw
[06:01] <Syron> I'm pretty sure I never changed it there though
[06:01] <Syron> idk though, it's been a while
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> ELQEYNN: stop that please, this channel is only for ubuntu support
[06:02] <gogeta> Syron: should just be sudo ufw allow ssh
[06:02] <gogeta> Syron: by defult it only allows local
[06:02] <Syron> ufw is currently disabled but I can enable it
[06:03] <gogeta> Syron: if its disabled then its a port powarding issue
[06:03] <gogeta> fowarding
[06:03] <Syron> that's what I thought but I can't see how. It is literally the same IP since I'm spoofing the mac
[06:04] <Syron> I'll turn on ufw
[06:04] <gogeta> Syron: disabled everything is allowed
[06:04] <gogeta> Syron: some isp block standerd ports
[06:05] <gogeta> Syron: you may need to set your ssh in a diffrent port
[06:05] <Two_Dogs> Syron: you said you can ssh into the system from within the lan, if so the issue is not related to firewall of system, the port is open and avail or you would not be doing a ssh connect\]
[06:06] <Syron> it is already, works fine on the other setup
[06:06] <gogeta> Syron: you can have the same ports on multi setups
[06:06] <gogeta> cant
[06:06] <gogeta> Syron: it simply whont work
[06:06] <Syron> I know, one is unplugged
[06:07] <gogeta> Syron: the problem is with your roughting
[06:07] <gogeta> Syron: i would set your ssh on a diffrent port
[06:07] <Syron> I'm in it right now just not from outside, and it's annoying. I haven't completely ruled out sophos utm but it works fine if I swap it with my other server right now, which would get the same IP as the one I'm in
[06:07] <gogeta> Syron: with another port foward
[06:08] <gogeta> Syron: you likly used a non stanerd port
[06:08] <gogeta> Syron: many isps do block that
[06:08] <Syron> I am using a non standard, but I know this one works
[06:08] <gogeta> Syron: and problem found
[06:09] <gogeta> Syron: cloning the ip means nothing
[06:09] <gogeta> Syron: the ports needs to be open
[06:09] <Syron> gateway doesn't care what is plugged into it, if it sees the same mac address it gets the same IP and it works on the old box
[06:09] <Syron> not sure what would be different from that end
[06:09] <gogeta> Syron: you new install is using a standed port likley
[06:10] <gogeta> standerd
[06:11] <Syron> I wish it was, that's an easy fix
[06:11] <gogeta> Syron: it relly is
[06:12] <Syron> I'm shelled into it though
[06:12] <gogeta> Syron: if its working localy and you dont have ufw
[06:12] <gogeta> Syron: thers no reasion for it to fail other the roughting
[06:12] <gogeta> then
[06:12] <Syron> thanks
[06:13] <gogeta> Syron: if your roughter is like mine it uses hostnames
[06:13] <gogeta> Syron: so even if you cloned the ip it will just look at you funny
[06:14] <gogeta> Syron: or the clone itsselfs is causing a conflict
[06:16] <Syron> thanks, it's a complex device and there could be something going on there
[06:17] <netsrot> Hi, is there still no good way to rollback from a broken apt-get upgrade?
[06:18] <gogeta> netsrot: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:18] <gogeta> netsrot: it should resume where it got interrupted
[06:18] <matjam> netsrot: its usually not hard to fix a broken apt-get upgrade
[06:18] <netsrot> that is only if installation itself returns an error right?
[06:19] <Two_Dogs> netsrot: the repo lists point to newer or older version?
[06:19] <netsrot> I think the only solution is unix.stackexchange.com/questions/79050/can-i-rollback-an-apt-get-upgrade-if-something-goes-wrong/80320#80320
[06:20] <netsrot> and it looks like a hack.
[06:20] <gogeta> netsrot: well the command i gave should see if anything is broken and try to fix it
[06:21] <netsrot> gogeta: sometimes it doesn't know what is broken.
[06:21] <gogeta> netsrot: indeed
[06:22] <Two_Dogs> netsrot: so how do you know it is broke?
[06:23] <ducasse> netsrot: if you have a btrfs root fs, the upgrader will create a snapshot you can rollback to before starting the upgrade
[06:23] <netsrot> Two_Dogs: I'm getting 3-5fps in a game that used to give me 20-60 fps. So I need to do a rollback.
[06:23] <gogeta> netsrot: that sounds lke a driver problem
[06:23] <gogeta> netsrot: not a broken package
[06:24] <Two_Dogs> netsrot: broke graphics then
[06:24] <netsrot> well it was a apt-get upgrade that broke it so it's the blame.
[06:24] <Two_Dogs> ok
[06:25] <gogeta> netsrot: lol relly its not but to eatch his own
[06:26] <gogeta> netsrot: probly nivida and there latest driver has broken alot of systems
[06:26] <netsrot> I'm using amd foss drivers.
[06:26] <gogeta> netsrot: blame nivida for shotty drivers not the distro
[06:26] <Two_Dogs> gogeta: not nvidia
[06:26] <gogeta> netsrot: relly
[06:26] <gogeta> netsrot: pretty ood for foss to brake
[06:27] <netsrot> I'm blaming package management because rollback seems like a basic function that should be there. This isn't the first time an upgrade has been a downgrade for me.
[06:28] <Two_Dogs> netsrot: you did not respond to ducasse
[06:28] <matjam> netsrot: so, we can't conjure up nonexistent functionality, but we can probably help with the broken video driver issue.
[06:29] <Syron> I'm assuming there may be older versions of the actual video driver still available for install
[06:30] <Syron> haven't messed with it in a long time though
[06:30] <Syron> but somehow I don't think that would help
[06:32] <matjam> netsrot: FYI, btrfs / with apt-btrfs-snapshot appears to do what you want, but you need to have that set up beforehand.
[06:32] <netsrot> ducasse: thanks I don't have btrfs but I will probably try to use that on my next install.
[06:35] <ducasse> netsrot: it's probably the only way to get what you're asking for, apt simply isn't designed for downgrades
[06:40] <netsrot> thanks a lot everybody for helping me anyhow.
[06:46] <jimeno> Hi. I do have an Ubuntu 18.04 VM without internet connection. I want to add a 32-bits package to it (it's a 64bits machine). So, for the 32bits package I know I must "apt download package" and then put the .deb and install it with dpkg. But how do I do "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386" offline?
[06:50] <EriC^^> jimeno: you can get the link of the package and manually download it and then use dpkg -i
[06:51] <matjam> if its a standard package you can just do apt-get install package:i386 and it will install it
[06:51] <EriC^^> jimeno: ah i get what you mean, you want the packages list of i386
[06:51] <matjam> oh offline
[06:52] <EriC^^> you need apt-get update after adding the architecture i think, which needs an internet connection
[06:52] <jimeno> EriC^^: just one of them, yup. The libproxychains one (libproxychains3:i386 or libproxychains4:i386). Doesn't that need adding the arch to the OS?
[06:53] <EriC^^> jimeno: i dont think so, try running only the --add-architecture command, it should run then try dpkg -i
[06:53] <jimeno> or can I just download the .deb and install it with dpkg without going through the previous add-architecture and apt-update steps?
[06:53] <jimeno> will try! thank you (:
[06:53] <EriC^^> no problem, good luck :)
[06:54] <matjam> I think apt-offline was written to solve this problem
[06:54] <matjam> but I've never used it
[06:54] <matjam> https://debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT
[06:54] <matjam> theres no ubuntu documentation for it
[06:55] <matjam> jimeno: https://askubuntu.com/questions/835655/install-a-program-with-apt-offline
[06:57] <matjam> pretty cool
[06:58] <navneet> please help to resolve my canon LBP2900 printer while installing.
[07:12] <redd_navneet> hello
[07:12] <redd_navneet> please help me to resolve my printer LBP2900 issue
[07:13] <redd_navneet> I am unable to setup it.
[07:34] <varaindemian> I am unable to update ubuntu 18.04
[07:34] <varaindemian> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MWHZwSGh9H/
[07:34] <varaindemian> here is what  I get in the terminal
[07:35] <varaindemian> any help please?
[07:36] <EriC^^> varaindemian: try a different repo or wait a few minutes maybe they are updating it or something
[07:37] <guiverc> varaindemian, i get a 'forbidden' msg too - use another (eg. remove ro) - or wait..
[07:38] <EriC^^> varaindemian: on the main repo it's working
[07:40] <varaindemian> EriC^^: guess I'll wait couple of hours
[07:41] <EriC^^> ok cool
[07:41] <varaindemian> how can I chage the mirrors to the official ones?
[07:41] <varaindemian> I mean us based
[07:41] <EriC^^> varaindemian: software & updates
[07:42] <EriC^^> software-properties-gtk
[07:42] <cfhowlett> !mirrors | varaindemian
[07:42] <cfhowlett> you 'll need to edit your software sources and refresh
[07:43] <varaindemian> Thank you!
[07:44] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[07:46] <cfhowlett> easy/peasy system > software & updates > Download from: Other > Select Best Server
[07:54] <alive876> hi all, why on 16.04 would it hang when I run sudo apt-get update? thanks
[07:54] <cfhowlett> alive876, could be the mirrors are undergoing maintenance, could be your are too impatient, could be misconfigured sources.list ...
[07:55] <alive876>  does this mean anything? Err:10 http://ppa.launchpad.net/chris-lea/node.js/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages   404  Not Found
[07:56] <cfhowlett> yep.  it means "not found".
[07:56] <cfhowlett> what is your current ubuntu version?
[07:56] <alive876> 16.04
[07:57] <cfhowlett> no xenial version at that site.
[08:00] <eraserpencil> I am on amd64 16.04. I wish to compile smtg for arm64, but I dont understand how to setup the cross-compilation tools. Would it be better for me to have a KVM with Ubuntu 16.04 on arm64, a docker image with Ubuntu 16.04 arm64, or an lxc/lxd wit Ubuntu 16.04 arm64
[08:01] <pc-10> hall
[08:01] <alive876> i don't know what it is or where it is
[08:02] <EriC^^> alive876: try to remove the ppa and find maybe a newer ppa you trust or maybe the current version in the official repo is good for you
[08:02] <cfhowlett> alive876, ubuntu 16.04 is codenamed Xenial Xerus.  Your ppa is not published for Xenial Zerus
[08:12] <BlueShark> Hi. How do I set an application that I installed using Snap to auto-start on startup. Previously I was using Startup Applications in Ubuntu for this purpose.
[08:20] <ledeni> BlueShark, ubuntu 18.04
[08:23] <eraserpencil> Blueshark: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/152716/make-an-application-startup-automatically
[08:23] <ledeni> BlueShark, if yes install gnome tweak tool got option for start up uplication
[08:32] <net_> hello
[08:35] <Furai> Hey, I seem to have issues with ubuntu 18.04, dark theme and firefox text inputs. It tries to set them to black and white font. If some input has some style added it will not work usually and so I've ended up right now with white background and white font for some input.
[08:35] <Furai> Anyone knows if it's possible to fix it somehow?
[08:37] <ducasse> Furai: that's a common problem, aiui
[08:38] <Furai> aiui?
[08:38] <ducasse> as i understand it
[08:39] <Furai> Didn't know that acronym, thanks.
[08:39] <ericrajuin> Furai: maybe a userContent.css in firefox to set input field as black text ?
[08:39] <Furai> The thing is it works on some pages and on some not. Depends on if they modify inputs in css.
[08:42] <Furai> Also another thing I've noticed are missing desktop icons when I connect second screen. Couldn't figure out why that's happening.
[08:43] <ericrajuin> Furai: I remeber reading somewhere that in firefox preferences> content > color> uncheck 'use system colors' fixes it.
[08:43] <Furai> hmm
[08:43] <Furai> Let me see.
[08:44] <Furai> It's unchecked...
[08:44] <ericrajuin> oh.. nvm then
[08:44] <cfhowlett> close and restart FF
[08:45] <Furai> It was unchecked when I launched it and it didn't change anything. It's not like I changed it now.
[08:46] <Furai> Anyway, restarted, still same thing.
[08:46] <alive876> sudo apt-get update still gets stuck 16.04 , i removed ppa
[08:46] <Furai> If anyone wants to try to reproduce - just go to gnome tweaks and change theme to adwaita dark.
[08:48] <TheLaw> Good morning from Belgium :-)
[08:48] <Faraon_> https://tinyurl.com/ya79dnx5
[08:50] <Furai> Oups, just clicked that link of unknown origin. How stupid of me.
[08:51] <cfhowlett> could've been worse ...
[08:51] <cfhowlett> alive876, and now ??
[08:54] <alive876> Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates InRelease [109 kB]             0% [Working]
[08:55] <ericrajuin> maybe your firewall is blocking connections ?
[08:56] <alive876> i'm going back to debian
[08:57] <cfhowlett> then we can't help you.  #debian is your support channel
[08:57] <mancman3> see danger and run for the hills lol
[09:00] <ericrajuin> what will happen if I install the trusty version of nodejs into xenial ?
[09:01] <ericrajuin> will it break ?
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> ericrajuin: we reccomend using package versions for your specific ubuntu release
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> ericrajuin: or try !backports or !pinning if you really want a package
[09:02] <ericrajuin> the package version is rather ancient
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> ericrajuin: ancient can mean security flaws, are you sure you will take the risk?
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> alive876: we dont support external ppa's, if you break your system weird things can happen..not ubuntu's fault right?
[09:04] <alive876> no, of course
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> alive876: if its the repo itself for your country that lags, you can ask in #ubuntu-mirrors for known problems?
[09:05] <Two_Dogs> lotuspsychje: ubuntu does not support ppa usage?
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> Two_Dogs: we dont support adding external ppa's and reccomend using packages from the official ubuntu repos
[09:06] <ducasse> Two_Dogs: they're not supported here
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> Two_Dogs: of course, in some cases/computers might need a package from a ppa..
[09:09] <Two_Dogs> lotuspsychje: i can imagine
[09:10] <ericrajuin> but alive876 is stuck connecting at archive.ubuntu.com
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> ericrajuin alive876 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/ working here in a browser
[09:12] <alive876> i've rebuilt the system
[09:13] <alive876> works now
[09:17] <ppf> still looking for this: how can i hook into v6 prefix updates?
[09:18] <Furai> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1283086 << to anyone participating in the previous discussion.
[09:18] <Furai> The "workaround" fixes it.
[09:18] <blackflow> ppf: if there's a way, it'd probably involve bpf
[09:19] <ppf> blackflow: why though?
[09:19] <blackflow> ppf: because bpf is supposed to be(come) the way to hook into such low level stuff. if I understand your "hook into" correctly.
[09:20] <ppf> blackflow: i just want to be notified of the update
[09:22] <BlueShark> ledeni, Yes, I'm using Ubuntu 18.04.
[09:23] <ericrajuin> cool so there is a workaround
[09:30] <Mundeh> Hey #ubuntu family, feels good to be here. Problems encountered as Ubuntu user (beginner) urged me to find myself here.
[09:30] <lemon> hii
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> Mundeh: you can ask your ubuntu question here if you like
[09:33] <lemon> ok
[09:37] <Mundeh> ok. I got openJDK-7 installed on Ubuntu 14  which was running ok. But a later installed oracle-jdk-8 and somewhat, the system became messed up and I could not install most software. The error being java 7 required.  I followed suggested solutions and set default java package to no avail. Finally I have not had a way out.
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> !java | Mundeh can this help?
[09:41] <Mundeh> Ok Ubottu. I gave. let me give it a try though the suggestion seems not to target the worry directly. I think the issue is about repairing an error which I have not Identified.
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> Mundeh: try to send us error output on hastebin.com to let us help you better
[09:43] <ppf> blackflow: so you're suggesting there's no more pedestrian solution?
[09:44] <blackflow> ppf: I don't know of any, unless you write a script or something that periodically checks and reports when it detects a change.
[09:45] <ppf> blackflow: in ubuntu, who takes care of configuring v6 addresses?
[09:45] <ppf> NM?
[09:46] <blackflow> ppf: technically the kernel is, NM and others are just userland tools for that.
[09:46] <blackflow> ppf: meaning RA or any other icmpv6 based re-config will be dealt with in the kernel
[09:51] <ppf> blackflow: okay, hm. i ultimately want to update a dns dynamically
[09:53] <blackflow> ppf: can you elaborate?
[09:54] <ppf> i have a dns on the internet that i want to provide names for my networks machines
[09:55] <ppf> so the plan is detect prefix update, nsupdate the server
[09:55] <blackflow> ppf: btw now that you mention it, you can actually get notifications via netlink route socket. I don't know if there's a program already that does that which you can use for a simpler userland hook-in, or just have to write your own.
[09:55] <blackflow> ppf: right, so you want a dynamic DNS service of sorts
[09:55] <navdeep> me
[09:55] <ppf> blackflow: ya
[09:55] <navdeep> hay
[09:55] <navdeep> hello
[09:56] <navdeep> anyone !!
[09:56] <ppf> blackflow: can you elabeorate on  netlink
[09:57] <blackflow> ppf: man 3 rtnetlink
[09:57] <ppf> i mean, i know of netlink, but wasn't aware it tells me about prefixu updates
[09:58] <blackflow> ppf: sorry, it's in section 7
[09:58] <ppf> blackflow: yeah i know, reading it
[10:00] <ducasse> ccccccevchfcrvtldcrcjkvfuvegdjedleujvdndutnl
[10:02] <ppf> blackflow: now, i know i can query kernel info through netlink, but how can i watch it?
[10:06] <ali> hi
[10:06] <blackflow> ppf: I suppose by subscribing to RTM_NEWADDR notifications? I don't have much experience with it, I just know it's there.
[10:06] <ppf> blackflow: i'll check it out
[10:07] <ppf> blackflow: happy to use an existing dyndns solution, but haven't found one i can host myself
[10:10] <blackflow> ppf: https://yingtongli.me/blog/2017/04/18/dynamic-dns.html
[10:11] <blackflow> ppf: seems NM has hooks for that particular subset of "hook into netfilter"
[10:11] <blackflow> *netlink
[10:12] <blackflow> ppf: not sure if it works when the prefix changes via SLAAC
[10:12] <ppf> blackflow: nice :0
[10:12] <ppf> :)
[10:12] <blackflow> ppf: let me know if it actually does.
[10:14] <ppf> blackflow: will do!
[10:20] <mark721> Hai guys
[10:21] <mark721> um i recently installed grub customiser. since i wanted to swap the boot order list.
[10:21] <mark721> A few days later (without me making any changes) several new options were appended to the bottom of the boot order list
[10:22] <mark721> The ones highlighted here. https://imgur.com/a/noEq7zh
[10:23] <mark721> By the way, when I said I altered the boot list, I meant that, I merely swapped Windows boot manager and Ubuntu.
[10:23] <mark721> *entries
[10:27] <mark721> anyone?
[10:28] <EriC^> mark721: it looks like those are under advanced options
[10:28] <EriC^> which is normal
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> !patience | mark721 idle a bit mate
[10:28] <juslintek> Hi, I'm constantly getting this error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FCndb3wc54/
[10:28] <juslintek> How can I fix it I really need to add some respositories for version compatible with Ubuntu 18.04 :-)
[10:29] <juslintek> Which are not in public repo yet, and then one that is is not working as expected :-)
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> juslintek: for external ppa issues, contact the maintainer of those packages mate
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> juslintek: i also would advice, if somethings not working on a clean 18.04 by default try to file a new !bug
[10:33] <juslintek> I filed a report via the bug report wizard I press continue and nothing happens :-)
[10:34] <juslintek> lotuspsychje, give me repo that works for you on 18.04 I will test if adding it will work for me. :-)
[10:36] <Smokie> hey guys, whenever i change my ubuntu server hostname to change the "name" of the server, it changes back if it gets rebooted.. how can i perm keep it changed?
[10:42] <mark721> EriC^, no no they aren't, i just moved them into it now, im just wondering how they appeared outside from nowhere
[10:43] <mark721> lotuspsychje, tbf waiting for 4 mins and then saying anyone isn't really being impatient :P
[10:50] <JimBuntu> mark721, it would seem to me that the customizer caused grub to find your other boot options... mainly kernels... and it looks like BIOS (System Setup) too. Had you manually removed these in the past?
[10:53] <Smokie> any thoughts on perm changing the ubuntu server name?
[10:58] <JimBuntu> Smokie, I have seen another user recently posting about this. In their case, I think they found that they had an init file that was changing it back at boot. I do not have the details, however, I think they located it by checking journalctl.
[10:58] <qswz> my company requires to have encrypted data on computers
[10:58] <qswz> but I'm afraid it'll affect performance
[10:59] <CVirus> I'm using mate desktop and the network applet disappeared after upgrading to 18.04 .. is this expected?
[10:59] <qswz> if I encrypt my home foolder
[11:02] <lapaga> CVirus, just go to mate-tweak and chose familiar save it first if you have customized the panel
[11:05] <CVirus> @lapaga thanks a lot!
[11:06] <lapaga> yw
[11:06] <CVirus> lapaga, now I get the new mate experience ... any clue how do I run the mate welcome thing?
[11:09] <lapaga> CVirus, you can find welcome in control center
[11:09] <tomreyn> qswz: you can even encrypt almost the whole system (and that's probably what your company wants you to do, not just the home folder). on current desktop computers, the performance impact is neglible / not noticeable.
[11:10] <tomreyn> qswz: if you need something to compare to and are used to windows, installing an AV software slows the system down a lot more.
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | Smokie
[11:12] <tomreyn> qswz: where AV = anti virus, not audio/video
[11:12] <Smokie> lotuspsychje, you mean in /etc/hosts, i have to keep the current name 'ubuntu' and add a new line with the 'new-name' for it to work?
[11:21] <Smokie> lotuspsychje, it keeps changing back after a reboot
[11:21] <qswz> tomreyn: ok yes
[11:22] <qswz> thanks, yes will go wuth full disk encryption
[11:22] <tomreyn> welcome
[11:22] <linc> Hi
[11:23] <tomreyn> Smokie: this will be some mechanism which is applied by the hosting environment. i assume this is a VM?
[11:23] <Smokie> tomreyn, it is a VM, yes
[11:23] <linc> is this the right place to ask a question regarding some issues that I am having with Ubuntu16.04 (I am a new user)? Thanks
[11:24] <dreugeworst> Hi all, I have a ubuntu 18.04 machine connected to a tv. Whenever I lower the resolution from within a (steam) game, it seems to enable screen panning, so moving the mouse to the edges shows part of the desktop underneath. Any ideas how to fix this?
[11:24] <tomreyn> Smokie: you may need to change the hostname in the web panel the host provides then, or take measures to prevent them from logging into your VM and making these changes.
[11:24] <Smokie> tomreyn, what web panel?
[11:24] <tomreyn> Smokie: i don't know, i assumed your hosting provider would provide such, amny do.
[11:25] <tomreyn> *many
[11:25] <Smokie> tomreyn, this VM is running on a VMware Workstation and it has no control over the OS
[11:25] <Smokie> tomreyn, ah no hehehe its running locally on my machine
[11:26] <tomreyn> Smokie: maybe you have some 'guest tools' installed or similar? those might reset it to the name assigned on the workstation gui
[11:27] <tomreyn> Smokie: anyways, it should be something which is not part of ubuntu. ubuntu would not ever reset the hostname on reboots by itself, i don't think.
[11:27] <tomreyn> Smokie:that is, unless it is received via dhcp.
[11:28] <Smokie> tomreyn, hmm via dhcp... so i can test this by setting a static ip with a different ip then the one used now?
[11:29] <tomreyn> Smokie: or you could just review your system logs and see whether it was set there.
[11:29] <Smokie> which logs would have this type of info?
[11:30] <tomreyn>  /var/log/syslog
[11:31] <tomreyn> Smokie: try this: grep -i dhcp -C5 /var/log/syslog
[11:32] <tomreyn> on an ubuntu 16.04 it would sy something like "NetworkManager[12345]: <info>  [1234567890.1234]   hostname 'ubuntu'
[11:33] <blackflow> 39 years to set hostname. impressive :)
[11:35] <dreugeworst> Anyone know how to disable panning when the screen resolution gets changed inside a game?
[11:38] <Smokie> tomreyn, the only thing i see is "ubuntu systemd-resolved[721]: Using system hostname 'ubuntu'."
[11:40] <tomreyn> Smokie: so you updated the hostname (which does not contain dots) in both /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, right?
[11:40] <Smokie> tomreyn, correct?
[11:41] <tomreyn> Smokie: and after reboot /etc/hostname contained the old hostname?
[11:41] <Smokie> yes, /etc/hosts is fine, but /etc/hostname changes back
[11:42] <smittix> Hi All, Has anyone experienced an issues with 18.04 whereby a second monitor is detected fine but doesn't display an image just black screen?
[11:43] <tomreyn> so if you want to examine whether it is set via dhcp, you could edit /etc/dhcp/debug and set RUN="yes" and get another dhcp lease.
[11:43] <longword> Sorry, I have to ask the stupid question, but have you been to Settings->Devices->Screen Display and it all looks sensible there?
[11:44] <tomreyn> Smokie: alternatively, remove 'host-name' off the 'request' line in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[11:45] <tomreyn> Smokie: alternatively add 'supersede host-name "mynewhostname";' in this file
[11:45] <Smokie> hmm
[11:45] <Smokie> tomreyn, let me try to change it to a static ip and test that first
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> !who | longword
[11:46] <tomreyn> smittix: i think longword was talking to you there
[11:47] <smittix> Sorry
[11:47] <smittix> @longword, Yes the device is there and set to secondary monitor.
[11:47] <longword> I have no objection to others reading my messages too :)
[11:47] <longword> The second display, is it to the right of your primary display?
[11:48] <smittix> @longword, Yes.
[11:48] <MonkeyDust> smittix  you can drop the @ ... simply type 2-3 characters of a name, then hit tab to autocomplete
[11:48] <longword> Does it feel like your mouse is moving "onto" that display when you go far right?
[11:48] <smittix> longword, Yes.
[11:48] <smittix> MonkeyDust, Yeah no idea why I was adding the @.
[11:49] <longword> smit, I'd suggest your next port of call is a read of /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[11:49] <smittix> longword, Ok. I will take a look. It worked fine in previous releases so I was kind of stumped.
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> smittix: wich ubuntu version, graphics card and driver version do you have?
[11:50] <longword> No harm checking/reseating all the cables too
[11:50] <Guest49925> morning guys, I have an ubuntu 16.04 server and for some reason it was unreachable, just checked out the details and it looks like the network interface name changed? eno1 was configured but that interface doesn't exist anymore
[11:50] <smittix> lotuspsychje, 18.04, Radeon with the default opensource driver.
[11:50] <Guest49925> did something happen? like maybe an update that changed something?
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> smittix: laptop or desktop?
[11:50] <smittix> longword, All cables are fine as I booted an earlier version on live USB and the monitor works fine there.
[11:51] <smittix> lotuspsychje, Desktop.
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> smittix: monitors are mirror or extended?
[11:52] <Smokie> tomreyn, they completely changed how networking is configured in 18.04 huh
[11:52] <smittix> lotuspsychje, Extended. I've tried both options still no display
[11:52] <blackflow> Guest49925: what's the new interface name?
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> smittix: doublecheck if driver loaded correctly with sudo lshw -C video plz?
[11:53] <Guest49925> I dont know which one it is, but I have two br-bd.... interfaces blackflow
[11:53] <Guest49925> its still offline, I just  plugged in a monitor to login.
[11:53] <tomreyn> Smokie: not completely, but much of it, yes.
[11:54] <blackflow> Guest49925: is this a baremetal server or some kind of VM? Anyway, your NIC either went away (died, removed, whatever), or changed named due to any hardware changes.
[11:54] <smittix> lotuspsychje, Ok one moment. I will be right back.
[11:54] <Guest49925> neither, its a hp server, the hardware is literally next to me right now and no HW was changed
[11:55] <tomreyn> Guest49925: interface names would not change due to an ubuntu (same release) update
[11:55] <longword> At a guess, that it knows there's a second display present, the driver must be /somewhat/ correctly loaded
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:55] <Guest49925> any way to check whether the netword card did indeed die?
[11:56] <tomreyn> Guest49925: you'd try to bring it up and send sustained data and watch the interface statistics.
[11:56] <blackflow> Guest49925: then it's baremetal... :)  that's what I mean. physical box, or a virtual (figment of a host's imagination ;)  kind.
[11:57] <Guest49925> the server management thingy lists the network adapers! (br-... stuff) and one indeed is down
[11:57] <Guest49925> well thats sucks
[11:58] <ioria> Guest49925, what is the  'server management thingy' ?
[11:58] <tomreyn> Guest49925: is the interface down or just its link? down is not necessarily "broken", there can be other reasons why a link is down.
[11:59] <tomreyn> probably ilo, since hp server
[11:59] <Guest49925> HP has this iLo server management software which I assume runs on a dedicated chip on the server
[11:59] <Guest49925> so I am able to login and check out HW information even if the actual server is down
[11:59] <ioria> Guest49925, sweet
[12:01] <tomreyn> Guest49925: which server or ilo version is it? newer ones (ilo 4.x) will show a nice graph of temperatures in various spotsin your system. make sure it's not just overheating at the NICs.
[12:01] <Guest49925> its ilo4
[12:01] <Guest49925> hp microserver gen8
[12:02] <Guest49925> small home server, nice box.. if it works
[12:02] <ioria> Guest49925, i'd check  'ip a' ; lspci -k | grep -i ether -A2  and /etc/network/interface
[12:02] <tomreyn> i'd check syslog, try to find out what actually happened.
[12:02] <tomreyn> also ilo has an event log you can check.
[12:06] <Guest49925> ioria: so it does list two NIC's
[12:06] <Lesewesen> Hi is there a current guide on how to compile a custom kernel for ubuntu 18.04? I just want to patch the wireless driver "intel/iwlegacy" to disable powersave.
[12:06] <Guest49925> so if the system lists the NIC I would assume thhey are still working, right?
[12:07] <ioria> Guest49925, you can easily paste those outputs on paste.ubuntu.com
[12:07] <Guest49925> I cant
[12:07] <Guest49925> because the server is offline
[12:07] <Guest49925> I sit next to it with a laptop
[12:07] <Guest49925> :D
[12:08] <ygriffin> \quit
[12:08] <ioria> Guest49925,  so, you need to copy over by hand :þ
[12:08] <slogger3141> hello! I'm trying an install with a preseed file and it works fine first time - it encrypts whole disk - however if i try and reinstall it errors saying no modifications can be made to the device encrypted volume, in use by lvm volume group
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> Lesewesen: i would reccomend a new !bug if your driver doesnt work as it should, instead of compiling new driver
[12:09] <slogger3141> my pressed file has the usual delete lvm etc
[12:09] <slogger3141> d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic
[12:09] <slogger3141> d-i partman/early_command string sh -c 'set -- $(vgs --rows --noheadings | head -n 1); for vg in "$@"; do vgremove -f "$vg"; done; set -- $(pvs --rows --noheadings | head -n 1); for pv in "$@"; do pvremove -f "$pv"; done'
[12:09] <Lesewesen> There is a bug since ubuntu 14.04 on launchpad
[12:09] <slogger3141> # Disk Partitioning
[12:09] <slogger3141> # Use LVM, and wipe out anything that already exists
[12:09] <slogger3141> d-i partman/choose_partition select finish
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> Lesewesen: got url on it?
[12:10] <Lesewesen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1408963
[12:11] <tomreyn> !paste | slogger3141
[12:12] <slogger3141> apologies: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4CSdQqZHXP/
[12:13] <tomreyn> Lesewesen: this is about a legacy *wireless* nic, but i think Guest49925 is trying to solve an issue on a server with ethernet nics.
[12:14] <Guest49925> that ^
[12:14] <tomreyn> Guest49925: so why dont you bring the server up and inspect the logs?
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> Lesewesen: i would go for a new bug mate, concerning 18.04 devs might get new attention on it
[12:15] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: that is a sad statement. but probably true.
[12:16] <Guest49925> because I am not that good with network debugging tomreyn :D I checked ifconfig and realized the interface is gone. I have two nics on the server and see two br-... interfaces so my first guess was the system renamed it somehow
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: yeah we often see older bugs die a silent death
[12:16] <Guest49925> iLo says one nic is down (not doesnt tell me why and the other one is online, so I plugged it into the other one, if uped the interface and it still doesnt work
[12:16] <Lesewesen> br are bridge interfaces.
[12:16] <Guest49925> so this is a big trial and error here
[12:17] <tomreyn> Guest49925: once you have it running you can access it via ilo's serial console and thus get textual output you can copy and paste.
[12:17] <Guest49925> an and there is that
[12:17] <Guest49925> ilo console  doesnt work because what ever
[12:17] <Guest49925> its a java/linux issue
[12:18] <Lesewesen> you can modify bridges using the "bridge-utils"
[12:18] <Guest49925> which I guess one would have to install first Lesewesen :D
[12:18] <tomreyn> if you can find out where the java applet would connect to you can run it from a temrinal using javaws
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> Lesewesen: just a few ideas, did you test other kernels on intel wifi?
[12:19] <Lesewesen> I have an old kernel running at the moment, but in 18.04 they changed the compile process a little and I get an error
[12:20] <Lesewesen> an old patched kernel ;)
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> Lesewesen: so it works on the older kernel?
[12:20] <Lesewesen> If it is patched to disable powersave, yes. Otherwise I have the same problem
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> Lesewesen: a reason more i would create a new bionic bug about it, then mention its working on your specific kernel
[12:22] <Lesewesen> Ok I'll create a new bug then
[12:22] <As4xk> Hi. I'm trying to access my server (running bionic) "directly" and not through VPN, while it's connected to VPN (for exapmle ssh to it's local ip address). I tried the following suggestion: https://serverfault.com/questions/659955/allowing-ssh-on-a-server-with-an-active-openvpn-client/660106#660106 but with no luck. Here are my routes (will paste) before and after connecting to vpn. Could someone explain for me what the different lines
[12:22] <As4xk> Routes: https://tmp.ludi.no/okahineyag.sql
[12:22] <tomreyn> Guest49925: you can also ssh into ilo and use 'textcons'
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> Lesewesen: another trick to get it solved faster, is finding more users affected to the bug
[12:23] <Guest49925> I read that tomreyn, you might wanna tell me what textcons is?
[12:23] <Guest49925> doesn't ring a bell
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> Lesewesen: and testing things yourself to forfill the bug
[12:23] <tomreyn> Guest49925: a command provided by hp ilo, which provides a texual console of the live system.
[12:24] <Guest49925> do I have to install it locally?
[12:24] <tomreyn> Guest49925: no, you ssh to ilo, login as you would on the web interface, then run that command
[12:24] <Guest49925> ah gotcha, cool
[12:24] <Guest49925> lemme try that
[12:25] <tomreyn> i guess we're far OT here, though, none of this has to do with ubuntu
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> As4xk: can this help in any way, its known to be good tut site: https://linuxconfig.org/simple-openvpn-connection-setup-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[12:26] <Guest49925> it is all about an ubunti server tomreyn :D
[12:26] <tomreyn> well...
[12:29] <As4xk> lotuspsychje: Thanks, but not really. I don't have trouble getting VPN to work. I have trouble accessing the server (f.ex. ssh to it) when it connects to vpn. I assume the problem is that the response packages are sent through the vpn interface instead of my "local" interface, but I don't know how to change the routes correctly
[12:31] <m2_teknix> suggest some key combinations for Volume Up, Volume Down and Mute for a full size keyboard
[12:33] <rypervenche> As4xk: What is the IP of the machine that you're trying to SSH into?
[12:36] <As4xk> rypervenche: 10.4.1.22
[12:36] <As4xk> is the non-vpn ip
[12:37] <tomreyn> openvpn comes with scripts to change the default route
[12:37] <rypervenche> As4xk: Can you paste your iptables rules? iptables -nvL and iptables -nvL -t nat
[12:37] <As4xk> No rules
[12:38] <As4xk> they are pass by default (don't know correct terminology)
[12:38] <As4xk> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[12:39] <rypervenche> As4xk: What is happening when you try to SSH? Can you install tcpdump for us?
[12:39] <As4xk> The connection times out. Active connections also times out.
[12:40] <As4xk> I have installed it now. Do you have a oneliner for how to save packages related to SSH?
[12:40] <anddam> if anyone has a pointer about properly setting wpa_supplicant on systemd, I'd appreciate it. The wiki page on manually setting up wireless is a bit outdated
[12:41] <Smokie> tomreyn, trying to setup static ip using netplan, but i keep getting this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XtkcfrFVhW/
[12:42] <As4xk> tomreyn: Can this script add routes for non-virtual networks as well?
[12:43] <tomreyn> As4xk: i think it really just updates the default, route, but have not checked recently.
[12:43] <solsTiCe> in 18.04, do I need to add my user to kvm group to use /dev/kvm ?
[12:43] <rypervenche> As4xk: tcpdump -nn -w /tmp/out.pcap 'tcp and host 10.4.1.22 and port 22' (change port if it's different) then try to connect and let it timeout.
[12:44] <rypervenche> As4xk: Then ctrl+c and pastebin /tmp/out.pcap (or get rid of the -w bit and just copy and paste the output)
[12:44] <patrick_> I just updated xubuntu to 16.04 on a Pi2 and now Firefox is broken.  Is this the right channel?
[12:44] <tomreyn> Smokie: i'm not into netplan but the yaml indenting looks wrong
[12:45] <As4xk> Smokie: There looks to be some indentation error in the file
[12:46] <smittix> Ok, I'm back.
[12:46] <rypervenche> As4xk: Don't make a file then, remove the -w /tmp/out.pcap bit and redo it.
[12:46] <Rumbles> hey, I am looking to see if there is a easy way to install a package with apt, but ensure the service doesn't start up after the install completes
[12:46] <Smokie> tomreyn, As4xk there is nothing in line 12 column 23
[12:46] <Rumbles> I want to install salt-minion, but need to update the config file first, before it contacts the wrong salt server
[12:48] <As4xk> Is there any information in the tcpdump pcap file that should not go public?
[12:49] <As4xk> related to SSH
[12:50] <As4xk> Smokie: Looks like there is no indentation on line 11. Is this correct?
[12:50] <smittix> I can't remember who was helping me with my second monitor issue?
[12:52] <Smokie> As4xk, line 11 has 'dhcp6: yes'
[12:52] <As4xk> Line 11 in you paste file
[12:53] <xenial64-user> Hi
[12:54] <Smokie> As4xk, ah yes, thats what it shows in all places i checked
[12:54] <As4xk> Smokie: I don't know if this is related to your problem. I do not know much about netplan and their yaml files either. I just think it looks weird in you paste
[12:54] <xenial64-user> hi guys I have a Q. regarding xubuntu Bionic??
[12:55] <Butterfly_> just ask xenial64-user
[12:55] <Butterfly_> don't wait for someone to say you can ask your question
[12:55] <Guest49925> tomreyn: ok, finally managed to get cli access, now at least I can take screenshots
[12:56] <tomreyn> :)
[12:56] <xenial64-user> ok Thnks  I noticed  when I suspend xubuntu 18.04  and resuming it askes for a password
[12:56] <xenial64-user> live distro
[12:56] <Smokie> As4xk, ok
[12:56] <Smokie> is there another way to change network settings besides using netplan in 18.04?
[12:56] <Butterfly_> xenial64-user : how long are you planning to use live distro? they're mostly just for testing
[12:57] <xenial64-user> I always use it for web...
[12:57] <As4xk> Smokie: Look at manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/artful/man5/netplan.5.html under "This is a complex example which shows most available features:"
[12:58] <Guest49925> so, back the the issue. so the server has no internet. whats the way to determinte whether the NIC did actually die tomreyn ?
[12:58] <xenial64-user> mint never asked for a pass
[12:58] <As4xk> Looks like gateway4 should be indented so it's "in context of" ens3
[12:58] <As4xk> 33*
[12:59] <As4xk> At least it is in that example
[13:00] <Smokie> As4xk, done that, not it shows this "line 11 column 22: expected scalar
[13:00] <Smokie> " hehehe
[13:01] <xenial64-user> so anyone is there a way to resume xubuntu 18.04 Live Dvd without it asking for a password??
[13:02] <As4xk> xenial64-user: Have you tried username "ubuntu" and an empty password?
[13:03] <tomreyn> Guest49925: configure it, try to bring it up, if it wont comne up, maybe mii-tool may provide more insight
[13:03] <tomreyn> or just dmesg
[13:03] <xenial64-user> no is this the method to access it?
[13:04] <andrewc> patriciadomin, hallo!
[13:04] <As4xk> xenial64-user: username "xubuntu" btw
[13:04] <andrewc> patriciadomin, ping
[13:04] <xenial64-user> I 'll try if not working  I'll dump it for another distro,
[13:04] <As4xk> xenial64-user: I don't know. But last time I used a live cd this was the case I think
[13:04] <tomreyn> Guest49925: and you can "ls /var/log/syslog*" and run less on them to review your system logs.
[13:05] <Guest49925> textcons doesnt allow me to use the | symbol
[13:05] <Guest49925> ugh
[13:05] <xenial64-user> thanks.
[13:05] <jmgb4> Ah yes Monday
[13:06] <Colin_> Excuse me... Would you please give me some help about... How to close ubuntu 18.04's screen keyboard? (not "Universal Access's screen keyboard). It always pop-up when plug-in a touch screen (screen keyboard was turned off in "Universal Access") >.<
[13:07] <phinxy> Is the company behind Ubuntu named Canonical?
[13:08] <tomreyn> Guest49925: https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01153837&docLocale=en_US << old, but should still apply
[13:08] <tomreyn> phinxy: yes
[13:08] <xenial64-user> ok I will load xubuntu bionic now and let you know...
[13:10] <Smokie> can we still use networking interfaces in 18.04 instead of netplan?
[13:11] <tomreyn> Guest49925: if textcons doesn't work for you, there is also "vsp", but it won't work unless you have a serial console configured on ubuntu.
[13:12] <Guest49925> tried vsp already, doesn;t work
[13:12] <Guest49925> so I guess its not installed/configured :
[13:13] <Guest49925> tomreyn: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2343595 that?
[13:21] <tomreyn> Smokie: netplan creates configurations for either network manager or systemd-networkd
[13:21] <tomreyn> and those manage network interfaces
[13:21] <Smokie> tomreyn, yeah, but its not working no matter what i do
[13:21] <Smokie> its exactly the same as many configurations online
[13:21] <tomreyn> Guest49925: VSP is  acommand which may be available on the ILO, not on ubuntu
[13:23] <Guest49925> it is available on the ilo tomreyn, but its not "connecting" to anything
[13:23] <tomreyn> Smokie: i can't help with netplan, please repeat your question + configuration occasionally and if someone knows the answers they will respond
[13:23] <tomreyn> Guest49925: right, you probably dont have the serial console configured on ubuntu
[13:23] <Guest49925> thats why I asked whether the link is how I configure it
[13:25] <tomreyn> Guest49925: sorry, i wa son the phone,. just got to read this now. may be correct, but multi-user.target seems wrong to me, you'd want it to start early. also you should configure grub to use it, too, so you can have the grub menu available there.
[13:25] <tomreyn> !serial
[13:26] <tomreyn> Guest49925: this is terribly outdated but it should work for configuring grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[13:34] <tomreyn> Guest49925: another example on how to configure the grub serial console: https://www.hiroom2.com/2016/06/06/ubuntu-16-04-grub2-and-linux-with-serial-console/
[13:35] <xenial64-user> ....sadly It did not work out resuminf xubuntu 18.04 live distro
[13:35] <Guest49925> ah better, thanks ! setting it up as we speak
[13:36] <xenial64-user>  is there a way to resume xubuntu 18.04 Live. It askes for a user/passwd...before i dump for a new distro???
[13:36] <Furai> Sooo, there seems to be a bug with 2 displays with different resolution and desktop icons. If you align both of those displays to the bottom edge then the desktop icons disappear on the smaller one (if it's on the left).
[13:36] <ppf> blackflow: looks like i get a dhcp6-change signal
[13:37] <tomreyn> Guest49925: and here's the documentation for setting up the serial console for your login prompt and the OS in general: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html - you will find the service template at /lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service (so you can just systemctl enable, configure, then systemctl start it
[13:38] <tomreyn> or rather, if you'll reconfigure it, and you probably need to, you'd better copy the file (as shown on the second command box on the documentation)
[13:39] <tomreyn> i'm surprised that there seems to be no proper ubuntu specific documentation on setting up a serial console with system, yet :-/
[13:39] <tomreyn> *systemd
[13:42] <dan01> I have a curiosity. I've just signed in unto Google Drive via GNOME and I've seen that what it did was to create a shared folder, how can I find where that folder is mounted?
[13:42] <xenial64-user> is there a way to resume xubuntu 18.04 Live distro. It askes for a user/passwd...before I dump it for a new distro???
[13:43] <xenial64-user> is there a way to resume xubuntu 18.04 Live distro. It askes for a user/passwd...before I dump it for a new LIVE distro???
[13:44] <tomreyn> dan01: if it's an actual file system mount, the "mount" command will list it.
[13:45] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: have you tried user "ubuntu" with the same password or none?
[13:45] <dan01> tomreyn: genius
[13:46] <xenial64-user> yes i did, cannot resume it asks for user/pass
[13:47] <xenial64-user> too bad I like xubuntu, I guess I have to stick with Mint
[13:47] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: did you try the first google web search result for "ubuntu live default username password", yet? https://askubuntu.com/questions/103896/live-cd-asks-for-a-username-and-password
[13:47] <dan01> tomreyn: It's in /run, what does that mean?
[13:48] <EriC^> xenial64-user: what about "xubuntu" as the password?
[13:48] <EriC^> or user xubuntu and empty password
[13:48] <tomreyn> dan01: /run is usually a temporary file system, backed by ram
[13:48] <xenial64-user> yes I did no answer there for 18.04
[13:49] <xenial64-user> tried,  not working
[13:49] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: but did you try to add a user using the adduser command?
[13:50] <xenial64-user> I am on live DVD
[13:50] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: so?
[13:50] <SporkWitch> if you're booting from a livedvd, that means no persistence, which means you should be automatically logged in
[13:51] <SporkWitch> no one puts passwords on liveinstall images, there's no point
[13:51] <tomreyn> note that there is also #xubuntu
[13:51] <alpha_Aquilae> xenial64-user: login xubuntu<return>  passwd <retern>
[13:51] <SporkWitch> tomreyn: inb4 "that channel's dead, so i spammed 50 others"
[13:51] <alpha_Aquilae> xenial64-user: login xubuntu<return>  passwd <return>*
[13:52] <xenial64-user> well I could but,  since only me is using it whay should I want to add a user?
[13:52] <alpha_Aquilae> no
[13:53] <alpha_Aquilae> xenial64-user: just do that>>>  login xubuntu<return>  passwd <return>*
[13:53] <alpha_Aquilae> xenial64-user: just do that>>>  login xubuntu<return>  passwd <return>
[13:53] <xenial64-user> tried ,  as you suggest.. not working
[13:53] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: since once you have that login you may be able to sudo passwd ubuntu
[13:54] <alpha_Aquilae> xenial64-user: try that>>>  login root<return>  passwd <return>
[13:54] <xenial64-user> did it all  not working.
[13:54] <tomreyn> alpha_Aquilae: where did you come up with these credentials?
[13:55] <xenial64-user> user root, temp guest etc.... simply not working
[13:55] <xenial64-user> I guess you cannot resume a Live DVD
[13:55] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: maybe if you set a password before you suspend you can
[13:56] <xenial64-user> on Mint and many other it is possible.... autologin
[13:56] <alpha_Aquilae> tomreyn:  it's live session...
[13:56] <tomreyn> alpha_Aquilae: meaning?
[13:56] <xenial64-user> well i guess If I add a user then I might...
[13:56] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: we don't do mint here
[13:57] <xenial64-user> ??that I know....
[13:57] <SporkWitch> if you want to use a livedisk for more than simply installation or recovery, you should probably look at using a USB drive instead, for persistence.  Doesn't make much of any sense to be using a livedisk without a persistent filesystem and expect to be able to resume anything; i'm amazed it even gets you to a login prompt when it comes back
[13:58] <xenial64-user> taht is way I am asking, if not possible I'll stick with Mint, simple.
[13:58] <alpha_Aquilae> xenial64-user: it's not xubuntu?
[13:59] <xenial64-user> I am trying on xubuntu 18.04 and not working as I am saying... it works on Mint 16.04.
[14:00] <alpha_Aquilae> xenial64-user: why do  you need console
[14:00] <alpha_Aquilae> ?
[14:02] <xenial64-user> my Q. is can I resume after suspending xubuntu 18.04 Live?  after resuming it asks for a user/password.
[14:03] <xenial64-user> tried all combination of user/pswd... not working.
[14:04] <xenial64-user> I remember Linus Trovalds was very pissed with Suse , I am with Xubuntu now!!
[14:04] <SporkWitch> linux is always pissed about something, often unreasonable or nonsensical
[14:04] <SporkWitch> *linus
[14:05] <SporkWitch> xenial64-user: and the answer is "ask #xubuntu, but it's a usecase that makes little sense"
[14:06] <xenial64-user> I am asking on xubuntu, no reply there.
[14:07] <xenial64-user> ok thaks by all I better stick with Mint ,   waste of time.
[14:08] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: the default ubuntu live session user does not have a password set. i assume this will be the same for the xubuntu live session user.
[14:08] <tomreyn> xenial64-user: i dislike your behaviour, you seem to assume that everyone in here is there to provide a good servicxe to you, but we're all volunteers.
[14:09] <xenial64-user> u got me wrong...
[14:12] <xenial64-user> I would have swithced to xubuntu but since I need quick process ready for internet I cannot waste lot of time , every time.
[14:13] <jusss> how to enable sshd service???
[14:13] <xenial64-user> ok thanks all
[14:14] <jusss> systemd changed that?
[14:14] <SporkWitch> jusss: apt install openssh-server
[14:14] <SporkWitch> the desktop/workstation ISOs don't typically install the server by default, just the client
[14:15] <jusss> ok
[14:18] <tech> hello someone can help little with tpm settings?
[14:18] <SporkWitch> tech: If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later.
[14:20] <tech-ubuntu-mate> I use hp elitebook 8540P with ubuntu 16.04 MATE but i cant fix startup stats tpm or tpm0 error 7 ocorruted or something but i cant find from bios menu where is tpm :(
[14:22] <tomreyn> tech-ubuntu-mate: please note down and report the exact error message during boot or take a photo and post it to imgur.com or similar.
[14:22] <R13ose> When I boot, I am dropped to busybox built in shell because of this error: says mount: can't find /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root in fstab.  How to fix?  The drive is in LVM.
[14:23] <tomreyn> tech-ubuntu-mate: also please discuss whether this is a new installation or one you had previously, which now broke (then speculate on what may have changed to break it).
[14:23] <SporkWitch> R13ose: check it for typos, should normally be ubuntu-vg not ubuntu--vg.  If it's an external drive that's not currently attached, add the nofail option
[14:24] <tech-ubuntu-mate> A TPM error (7) occurred attempting to read a pcr value
[14:24] <tech-ubuntu-mate> i cant make photo but if you helping this message.
[14:24] <R13ose> SporkWitch: I think it is -- but could be one and I might have typed that wrong in here.  The problem is can't find that.
[14:24] <tomreyn> tech-ubuntu-mate: so this is the last message that appears on screen during boot?
[14:25] <SporkWitch> tech-ubuntu-mate: have you searched the error message? i see several "this fixed it for me" in the results
[14:26] <tech-ubuntu-mate> yes this message giving me every boot time
[14:26] <tomreyn> tech-ubuntu-mate: but does your system still boot up fine or does it get stuck there?
[14:27] <SporkWitch> R13ose: look this over https://askubuntu.com/questions/551446/cant-find-lvm-root-dropped-back-to-initramfs
[14:27] <tech-ubuntu-mate> yes work fine but i think something not work exacly or  all fine and just ignore message
[14:27] <tech-ubuntu-mate> also i cant save my nvidia settings with prefer maximum perfomance for nvidia 340
[14:28] <tomreyn> tech-ubuntu-mate: TPM is "trusted platform mudule", a piece of hardware you do not usually need. so it's not critical.
[14:28] <tech-ubuntu-mate> i try with CP but not success after reboot changes back to default try with administrator not success try with root via terminal no sucess
[14:28] <tech-ubuntu-mate> tomreyn : thanks about this info.
[14:29] <tomreyn> *mOdule
[14:29] <R13ose> SporkWitch: I will look
[14:29]  * tomreyn can't help with nvidia
[14:31] <tech-ubuntu-mate> okay if i dont change settings after reboot after blocking my browsers and need reboot the system immidiately but when i change settings after reboot all fine if can help someone will be gratefull and happy
[14:37] <R13ose> SporkWitch: I did the first answer but get a warning: failed to connect to lvmetad.  Falling back to device scanning.  Yet, the next line says 2 logical volume(s) in volume group "ububtu-vg" now active.  When I type exit says that /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root does not exist and drops back to shell
[14:38] <SporkWitch> R13ose: can you please paste logs? the typos on critical things make it difficult to troubleshoot
[14:40] <XB23> Hey guys any iptables wizards here so I have this rule:     0     0 DNAT       tcp  --  *      *       0.0.0.0/0            1.1.1.1        tcp dpt:2220 to:10.0.3.129:22
[14:40] <XB23> 1.1.1.1 is replaced by the actual IP
[14:40] <SporkWitch> R13ose: i want to say the lvmetad error can usually be ignored; i've had those on perfectly functional systems for a while.  The link also has several other issues and solutions for similar problems if the first didn't work
[14:40] <XB23> I was hoping it would forward requests 2220 to port 22 on the server, but its not forwarding it and just passing it through on 2220
[14:40] <SporkWitch> XB23: iptables -S
[14:41] <tomreyn> what is "the server"?
[14:41] <XB23> SporkWitch: its a NAT rule mate
[14:41] <R13ose> SporkWitch: okay I will try them
[14:41] <SporkWitch> XB23: and what is the output of iptables -S for that table?
[14:41] <tomreyn> XB23: which systems exist on which networks with which ip addresses, which one is this iptables on, and which one are you trying to nat to?
[14:42] <tomreyn> discuss interfaces, too
[14:42] <XB23> as in iptables -S nat  SporkWitch ?
[14:42] <SporkWitch> if that's what you named the table
[14:42] <SporkWitch> don't forget the stuff tomreyn mentioned, either
[14:43] <XB23> Ok ill pastebin it
[14:44] <XB23> https://pastebin.com/N3XDjutf
[14:45] <XB23> The ** are the actual physical ip addresses but ive removed them
[14:45] <XB23> tomreyn: its a LXC setup lxcbr0
[14:45] <XB23> forwarding external packets to a seperate container
[14:45] <XB23> the forwarding is working perfectly, just for some reason its not changing the packet
[14:47] <R13ose> SporkWitch: I don't have a directory called initramfs-tools
[14:48] <SporkWitch> R13ose: context? O.o
[14:49] <R13ose> SporkWitch: from the link the second and third answer ask me to backup or create a file in that directory but I didn't go into /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-
[14:50] <SporkWitch> R13ose: then it likely wouldn't apply
[14:50] <R13ose> SporkWitch: okay, what is another fix?
[14:51] <SporkWitch> dunno, that was just the first hit; i'd just be googling around myself.  i'd use strings along the lines of "vg-mapper not found"
[14:51] <tomreyn> XB23: i was thinking lxc / lxd setups routing / bridging / nat automatically on ubuntu, doesn't that work for you?
[14:52] <XB23> they do but its to forward external ips to lan IPs
[14:53] <tomreyn> XB23: isn't that what you're trying to do then? if not, what are you trying to do?
[14:53] <XB23> Sureley this is correct -A PREROUTING -d EXT_IP/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 2220 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.3.129:22
[14:53] <XB23> basically when port 2220 is connected to it reroutes to port 22 on another lxc container
[14:55] <tomreyn> a port redirect works like this: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -o lo -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
[14:56] <XB23> Hmm wonder if its because im doing it in the NAT table
[15:00] <longword> Do you have IP Forwarding enabled, and packets permitted through your filter table FORWARD chain?
[15:01] <XB23> yes i do longword
[15:01] <Kaos24> Hola?
[15:01] <Kaos24> Hello?
[15:01] <XB23> the fowarding is working perfectly
[15:01] <XB23> its just the port redirect thats not
[15:01] <longword> What's the hit count like by that rule?
[15:02] <XB23> how do i check that ... sorry im not great with iptables
[15:02] <longword> iptables -t nat -vnL
[15:02] <longword> Shows packet and byte counts for each rule. You can reset the counters with iptables -t nat -Z
[15:02] <XB23> Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 28 packets, 2648 bytes)
[15:03] <XB23> Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 78 packets, 3724 bytes)
[15:03] <XB23> sorry its prerouting
[15:03] <XB23> lol
[15:05] <illn00blli> hello
[15:06] <XB23> doh!
[15:06] <XB23> ignore me im connecting to the wrong ip .. school boy error!
[15:06] <XB23> it is in fact working perfectly!
[15:06] <craigbass76> Anyone installed on a macbook? When I try to install from the livecd (usb) it tells me that everything is installed, do I want to install alongside that one, or reinstall. However, I don't see grub, and don't see ubuntu as an option when I hold the Option key during boot up
[15:06] <XB23> :D
[15:07] <lupulo> craigbass76, http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
[15:12] <lupulo> craigbass76, actual version http://refit.sourceforge.net/
[15:14] <grym> hi!  running 18.04, and i'm looking for a way to have snappable windows.  I was able to do this in 16.04 so that i could do <ctrl><alt>-arrow keys to partition windows around the screen.  Does Gnome have a similar ability?
[15:17] <illn00blli> when I attempt to install new software, i'm getting the progress bar showing "15%", then "0%", then taking FOREVER
[15:18]  * longword spins the wheel and blames....
[15:18] <longword> IPv6
[15:19] <R13ose> SporkWitch: should I try: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/recovering-from-unbootable-ubuntu-encrypted-lvm-root-partition/
[15:20] <tomreyn> !details | illn00blli
[15:20] <tomreyn> illn00blli: also try it from a terminal (ask if you need instructions once you provided more details)
[15:22] <illn00blli> ubuntu 18.04, attempting to install ANY application from Ubuntu Software app on sidebar. First, shows progress immediately at "15%", then "0%", then takes LONG to Download...
[15:23] <illn00blli> Now has a popdown error message displaying:"Unable to install "appname": snap "appname" has "install-snap" change in progress
[15:25] <illn00blli> tomreyn did
[15:25] <illn00blli> i give enough info
[15:27] <tomreyn> illn00blli: enough to get started. so that's about snaps
[15:28] <tomreyn> !snap
[15:28] <tomreyn> !snaps
[15:29] <rud0lf> do you think omgubuntu.co.uk is a good site for reference?
[15:30] <rud0lf> i mean can i relay on it?
[15:30] <tomreyn> bah, ok, no factoid for snaps. snaps are a packaging format which is different from classic ubuntu / debian packages. the gnome (ubuntu) software center uses them. but you can also install "synaptic" and use it to install classic ubuntu packages. or just use 'apt' on the terminal.
[15:30] <tomreyn> illn00blli: ^
[15:31] <illn00blli> so, i've installed other software in the last few days... could it be the specific softare im after that is having the issue?
[15:32] <tomreyn> rud0lf: some instructions they provide will make you end up with an unsupported system, so i wouldn't give them a carte blanche.
[15:32] <rud0lf> oh shucks
[15:32] <rud0lf> thanks
[15:39] <illn00blli> tomreyn I installed synaptic using terminal...
[15:39] <illn00blli> how do i use it to install the software im after?
[15:39] <tomreyn> illn00blli: can you run this in a terminal and show the output it provides? use a !pastebin to do so: sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install; sudo apt list --upgradable; apt-cache policy; snap list
[15:40] <illn00blli> run the entire thing at once?
[15:41] <tomreyn> illn00blli: run "sudo /bin/true" alone first, then you should eb able to run the rest as a single command. it will provide much output, though.
[15:41] <illn00blli> no doubt. I'll pastebin it
[15:41] <tomreyn> illn00blli: what's the software you're trying to install btw (if you don't mind discussing it)
[15:42] <illn00blli> Discord
[15:42] <illn00blli> okay ran duo/bin/true
[15:42] <illn00blli> *
[15:42] <illn00blli> *sudo/bin/true
[15:42] <tomreyn> it's "sudo /bin/true"
[15:42] <illn00blli> with spaces. Sorry to flood
[15:43] <illn00blli> with one space. ugh did it right anyways. Okay, now I'll run the rest and output to pastebin
[15:44] <illn00blli> tomreyn http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/McdR5qzC2W/
[15:45] <tomreyn> illn00blli: das ist leider nur die ausgabe des letzten befehls von de rlangen liste
[15:45] <tomreyn> oops wrong language
[15:45] <illn00blli> slightly
[15:45] <tomreyn> illn00blli: that's the outout of the last command only
[15:45] <dartzon> hello everybody
[15:45] <illn00blli> oh... I'll need to do the | pastebinit between each command?
[15:46] <tomreyn> illn00blli: if you're going to use pastebinit, yes.
[15:46] <tomreyn> you could also run it in a sub process but this doesn'T alwayys work well
[15:46] <dartzon> Anyone knows why in Ubuntu 18.04, linking with an .so used runpath instead of rpath?
[15:46] <illn00blli> I copied over exactly what you gfave me and put the pipe and command at the end. so, to be clear, I can put that between each command?
[15:47] <tomreyn> illn00blli: yes you can
[15:47] <illn00blli> can you show me where I need to use spaces between? for example... command whatever | pastebinit; command2 whatever2 | pastebinit;
[15:50] <illn00blli> tomreyn: sudo apt update | pastebinit; sudo apt -f install | pastebinit; sudo apt list --upgradable | pastebinit; apt-cache policy | pastebinit; snap list | pastebinit
[15:50] <illn00blli> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[15:50] <illn00blli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9fMBcBMJHX/
[15:50] <illn00blli> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[15:50] <illn00blli> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:50] <illn00blli> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:51] <tomreyn> please use a pastebin for multi line output ;)
[15:51] <illn00blli> OOPS
[15:52] <illn00blli> https://pastebin.com/zQTPYccV
[15:52] <illn00blli> that one has everything I got in terminal, including pastebins
[15:54] <Medu_chatWithMe> Hi, Did you know Discord was 1.1 times better than 0 8-D ?
[15:54] <Medu_chatWithMe> \afk
[15:55] <illn00blli> Medu_chatWithMe wut
[15:57] <tomreyn> illn00blli: looks good. please also post the output of "snap changes"
[15:57] <illn00blli> okay
[15:57] <tomreyn> !ot | Medu_chatWithMe
[15:58] <illn00blli> tomreyn, I forgot to mentionm, I first had difficulty installing Slack... here's the paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CFkT4wxq4B/
[15:59] <illn00blli> whoa! it's saying i installed Discord??? that's strange.
[16:01] <tomreyn> illn00blli: right, that's what it says, and the installation is no longer running / stuck according to this output.
[16:01] <illn00blli> tomreyn can you direct me to where to upload a screen for you to check? is pastebin the place?
[16:01] <tomreyn> illn00blli: imgur.com is fine
[16:01] <illn00blli> okay.
[16:03] <illn00blli> https://imgur.com/a/bGOD63T tomreyn
[16:04] <illn00blli> though Discord DOES now show up in my applications
[16:04] <Medu_chatWithMe> Ups ! I tried ubuntu-en
[16:04] <tomreyn> illn00blli: hmm strange. what happens when you do this on the temrinal: snap install discord
[16:06] <dartzon> Anyone knows why in Ubuntu 18.04, linking with an .so uses runpath
[16:06] <dartzon>           instead of rpath please?
[16:08] <illn00blli> im actually about to login to discorn now. tomreyn should i try that command anyway?
[16:08] <tomreyn> illn00blli: how can you login when discord didnt install properly?
[16:08] <illn00blli> install: omitting directory 'snap'
[16:09] <illn00blli> oh wait i entered the command wrong
[16:10] <illn00blli> tomreyn snap "discord" is already installed, see "snap refresh --help"
[16:10] <tomreyn> illn00blli: so this also states that discord is installed, and apparently it is installed since you are about tologin to it. then i don't htink there is any issue left?
[16:10] <Aswin> Hi all I am facing an issue in ubuntu 16.04 with https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_input_multiple
[16:10] <illn00blli> i think the discord thing is resolved. I havbe no idea what happened
[16:11] <ioria> illn00blli,  it was probably updating and the installation progress pause
[16:11] <Aswin> I am trying to input mutiple files in the above link
[16:11] <Aswin> but the Open files dialog sometimes does not respond
[16:12] <Aswin> Happens with both chrome and firefox
[16:13] <tomreyn> illn00blli: okay, i don't reall yknow either, but snap is not easy to debug, or i don't know how.
[16:13] <tomreyn> dartzon: this may be better suited in #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:15] <tomreyn> Aswin: run either browser froms terminal and see whether they report an error there by the time you try to open the file browser and it doesn't appear.
[16:15]  * tomreyn is late
[16:18] <dartzon> tomryen: Thank you very much!
[16:18] <tomreyn> welcome, even though thats not much help ;)
[16:33] <MortezaE> I have a udev rule that alerts me wia OSD and sound when removing power supply. It was working in 16.04 but not in 18.04 . Thats this:
[16:33] <MortezaE> SUBSYSTEM=="power_supply", ENV{POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE}=="0", RUN+="/home/morteza/bin/ac_plugged_out"
[16:39] <jk^> which is the folder where are the subfolder of installed things?
[16:39] <jk^> its path?
[16:40] <tomreyn> jk^: are oyu asking which path debian packages are installed in?
[16:40] <jk^> no
[16:40] <jk^> i downloaded this archive
[16:40] <MortezaE> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Pfs7KsHjbm/
[16:40] <jk^> https://ffmpeg.org/releases/ffmpeg-4.0.tar.bz2
[16:41] <jk^> after i followed instructions in "install.md" text file
[16:41] <jk^> but i had to make uninstall
[16:41] <jk^> i want to be sure all its folders are deleted
[16:42] <tomreyn> jk^: you will need to review the Makefile of this ffmpeg 4.0 source code distribution to find out how the "make uninstall" process works.
[16:42] <tomreyn> jk^ is there a reason you're building ffmpeg from source instead of using a package?
[16:43] <MortezaE> I also replaced ac_plugged_out content with something simple, like "echo test> /dev/shm/test" but no result
[16:50] <tomreyn> MortezaE: according to its man page, you can run " udevadm monitor ---subsystem-match=power_supply " to see events from this subsystem. if you then connect and disconnect the power supply it should either provide output which may hint on how the environment may have been renamed, or it may not output anything, which would suggest that thet subsystem is a different one.
[16:51] <tomreyn> sorry, that's: " udevadm monitor --subsystem-match=power_supply"
[16:52] <jnewt> scanner quit working today on linux.   works on windows (dual boot).   lsusb shows Bus 004 Device 003: ID 04c5:132b Fujitsu, Ltd , scanner not in simple scan
[16:54] <tomreyn> jnewt: does sane-find-scanner find it?
[16:55] <brainwash> MortezaE: does your script/executable still work?
[16:56] <jk^> tomreyn i didn't find any package
[16:56] <jk^> i just found that archive
[16:56] <jk^> i extracted it, and followed instructions inside install.md text file
[16:56] <jk^> after i needed to uninstall and i did make uninstall
[16:57] <jk^> in the path of extracted contents
[16:57] <jk^> after that, someone helped me and told me to open a path to be sure that there isn't the relative folder "ffmpeg"
[16:58] <jk^> but i forgot that path which is told to me
[16:58] <MortezaE> tomreyn, I tested your command, it has the same result as  "sudo udevadm monitor". No problem...
[17:00] <MortezaE> brainwash, As i said, i replaced script with some really commands but no difference
[17:00] <tomreyn> jk^: i dont know where it installs to, and i'm not this person you talked to, so i'm afraid i would not know.
[17:00] <tomreyn> !irclogs | jk^
[17:02] <jk^> no, it was another channel
[17:02] <jk^> maybe local cahn
[17:02] <jk^> chan, but i don't rembember well
[17:02] <brainwash> MortezaE: RUN+="/bin/echo test > /dev/shm/test"
[17:02] <brainwash> MortezaE: ?
[17:02] <jk^> tomreyn
[17:03] <jk^> maybe the first part of that path whis is told to me is /usr
[17:03] <MortezaE> brainwash, No, i put that commands in some script
[17:03] <jk^> but i don't rember the following
[17:03] <jnewt> tomreyn: yes, sane-find-scanner finds it, and it also has decided that some other usb devices are scanners as well (they are not)
[17:03] <tomreyn> jk^: maybe /usr/local or /usr/local/bin or /opt, but i'm just guessing
[17:03] <jk^> ok
[17:06] <tomreyn> jnewt: did this help getting it into simple-scan?
[17:06] <ericrajuin> jk^: the prefix should be in "/usr/local".
[17:06] <tomreyn> jnewt: in case it did not, see if the scanner is listed in "ls/dev/usb/"
[17:06] <jk^> however after downloaded this archive https://ffmpeg.org/releases/ffmpeg-4.0.tar.bz2 i followed these instructions https://pastebin.com/raw/EHKfyrsd
[17:07] <jk^> for installation
[17:07] <jk^> for uninstallation i just write in the same path of extracted archive make uninstall
[17:07] <jk^> and all went right
[17:07] <jk^> but i needed to do it again after
[17:08] <jk^> ericrajuin tomreyn
[17:08] <tomreyn> jk^: what is your question now, if any?
[17:09] <MortezaE> brainwash, tomreyn , wait, I'm finding the problem... just a minute..
[17:10] <jk^> just the way to be sure all components are unistalled in the path that i forgot :\
[17:10] <jk^> to see if there is folder or anything else named ffmpeg or similar
[17:10] <jk^> tomreyn
[17:11] <tomreyn> jk^: i cannot help with this. we support debian packages and we try to support snaps here, too, now.
[17:11] <jk^> ok
[17:12] <matlock> operative work being "try" to support snaps
[17:16] <MortezaE> sorry it seems thats my fault, probably I forgot reloading udev in some of previous tests, as it works properly now... Thank you brainwash
[17:21] <granttrec> eclipse runs high cpu percentage on ubuntu, anyone have a fix for this?
[17:21] <brainwash> MortezaE: great
[17:22] <jnewt> tomreyn: it did not.   only thing I get from ls /dev/usb is hiddev0.
[17:22] <brainwash> granttrec: it did not use to do that?
[17:23] <granttrec> brainwash: idk, always seemed slow to me
[17:24] <brainwash> granttrec: I would ask in #eclipse
[17:24] <granttrec> kk
[17:24] <brainwash> granttrec: people over there may have some suggestions
[17:29] <R13ose> why does the shell say that /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root does not exist when it clear does?  Screenshots: https://m.imgur.com/a/IRaYPZY and https://m.imgur.com/a/FeJ7SpH
[17:34] <Guest11809> Hello!
[17:38] <matlock> Hi
[17:48] <DanielPowerNL> Hi, I'm on a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04. Bash tab-completion is working for most applications as expected, but I cannot get any completions for `apt install ...`
[17:49] <DanielPowerNL> The only thing I can think of that I changed that could be relevant, is that I replaced my .bashrc. Though other applications don't require anything specific in the bashrc for autocompletion, so I'm not sure why apt would.
[17:49] <matlock> DanielPowerNL: sudo apt-get install bash-completion
[17:49] <DanielPowerNL> matlock, I already have bash-completion.
[17:49] <matlock> DanielPowerNL: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall bash-completion
[17:50] <matlock> DanielPowerNL: Wait, do you still have a .bashrc? If you completely nuked it that could cause this too.
[17:51] <DanielPowerNL> matlock, still nothing after reinstalling bash-completion. I do have a .bashrc, but it is not the default bashrc. I copied over the bashrc I used on another distro. It doesn't have any distro specific commands, just some aliases I use and a few unrelated environment variables.
[17:51] <rud0lf> DanielPowerNL: i see few lines that conditionally launch bash completion in my .bashrc
[17:51] <oerheks> depends what you try to complete, synaptic needs synapt+tab
[17:52] <DanielPowerNL> Thanks guys, I'll try to revert back to the default bashrc
[17:53] <DanielPowerNL> Yep, that worked. I guess I'll have to find the relevant lines and merge them into my bashrc. Thanks for helping out.
[17:55] <DanielPowerNL> Okay, I understand now. Ubuntu by default enables bash completion in ~/.bashrc. Whereas Arch (where I'm switching from) enables bash completion in the global bashrc (I think /etc/bash/bashrc)
[17:55] <DanielPowerNL> So that's why I didn't expect to need anything for it in ~/.bashrc
[18:05] <aperson1234567> DanielPowerNL, what do you mean. Bash completion is on by default
[18:05] <oerheks> he asked for root, i know it is turned on
[18:05] <oerheks> it all depends what you try to complete, i guess
[18:06] <DanielPowerNL> aperson1234567, it's on by default because .bashrc enables it. I was confused because on Arch, it's enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc, so I didn't think replacing my .bashrc would break autocomplete.
[18:06] <aperson1234567> DanielPowerNL, ic ok
[18:09] <[itchyjunk]> Hey, if i had python 3.5 and i wanted to upgrade to python 3.6, is there an easy way to do this?
[18:09] <grym> [itchyjunk]: use pyenv
[18:09] <DanielPowerNL> Is it possible to disable the application overview and application menu in Gnome 3? I know I can remove the keyboard shortcuts so I can no longer access them, but I'm wondering if it's possible to completely disable them to reduce memory usage.
[18:10] <DanielPowerNL> I intend to use Albert as my application launcher, and have no need for any of the Gnome Shell overviews.
[18:10] <DanielPowerNL> I also don't use Workspaces.
[18:10] <granttrec> DanielPowerNL: gnome tweak?
[18:10] <grym> [itchyjunk]: install the packages listed here: https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv/wiki/Common-build-problems  then, run this https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv-installer , then `pyenv install 3.6.5`
[18:11] <[itchyjunk]> grym, thanks 0/. working on it
[18:11] <aperson1234567> DanielPowerNL, you could just use the default .bashrc and extend bashrc first thing in .bash_aliases overwrit the settings you want.
[18:12] <aperson1234567> DanielPowerNL, you could use openbox or xfce4 instead of gnome if you only need basic features and full control.
[18:13] <oerheks> !info python3.6
[18:13]  * grym shrugs 
[18:13] <grym> i prefer pyenv
[18:14] <DanielPowerNL>  aperson1234567 I've been an Xfce user for years, so I'm plenty familiar with it. I'm trying to see if I can make Gnome work for me. Dash to Panel is nicer than DockbarX, which is what I've been using on Xfce.
[18:17] <[itchyjunk]> grym, i tried adding path to pyenv in my bash_profile but i don't think it worked.. pyenv: command not found
[18:17] <aperson1234567> DanielPowerNL, same for me - forcing myself to use gnome3 now after giving up on it twice.
[18:17] <grym> [itchyjunk]: restart your shell session
[18:17] <grym> [itchyjunk]: or open a new terminal window
[18:18] <[itchyjunk]> i tried closing and opening my terminal
[18:18] <DanielPowerNL>  aperson1234567 I like that Gnome Dash to Panel has window previews. DockbarX technically supports those, but only with Kwin and Compiz, and I'd prefer not to use either. Compiz because it's buggy, and Kwin because it collides with non-Qt desktops.
[18:18] <aperson1234567> DanielPowerNL, im trying to aclimate to the default apps though. Customizing gnome3 is a road to dispair and sadness imo
[18:19] <grym> [itchyjunk]: normally i expect to add things to .bashrc
[18:19] <[itchyjunk]> oh
[18:22] <[itchyjunk]> grym, i can't find .bashrc in ~/ :s idk where i created bash_profile either. so i just create a bashrc in ~/ ?
[18:23] <grym> [itchyjunk]: you should have ~/.bashrc already
[18:23] <grym> there's a leading period in the name
[18:25] <[itchyjunk]> ahh right.. tab complete with ~/. wasn't showing it but ls -al does.
[18:29] <[itchyjunk]> :D it installed.. but do i need or should uninstall 3.5.2?
[18:29] <grym> [itchyjunk]: ignore system python completely from here on out
[18:30] <grym> [itchyjunk]: `pyenv global 3.6.5` and move on with your life :)
[18:30] <[itchyjunk]> ahh very nice, tyvm!
[18:30] <grym> [itchyjunk]: this means, by the way, that if you ever do something that cripples that python install... your sytem python is totally unscathed
[18:31] <grym> for which i am always grateful when it happens to me
[18:31] <[itchyjunk]> haha, you've managed to cripple the python install before?
[18:31] <[itchyjunk]> hopefully i am not that skilled
[18:32] <grym> [itchyjunk]: never, ever, ever EVER `sudo pip` and slap anyone who tells you different with a haddock.
[18:32] <grym> lots of docs lie
[18:32] <[itchyjunk]> ahh i've done that
[18:32] <grym> yeah
[18:32] <[itchyjunk]> installing tensorflow
[18:32] <grym> it's playing with fire
[18:32] <grym> that's _really_ playing with fire
[18:33] <cluelessperson> grym: some things require sudo pip :(
[18:33] <cluelessperson> grym: what do you do instead?
[18:33] <oerheks> if you do that and you have no backup of your precious data, it was not precious at all
[18:33] <grym> cluelessperson: no, they do not.
[18:33] <cluelessperson> grym: yes, they do.
[18:33] <grym> cluelessperson: i create a venv like a reasonable person
[18:33] <grym> cluelessperson: you are incorrect.
[18:34] <cluelessperson> grym: like,   sudo pip install cryptography  which does c builds, right?
[18:34] <grym> no
[18:34] <oerheks> keep pip in the user env
[18:34] <grym> keep pip in a venv, ideally
[18:34] <grym> but this is a topic for #python
[18:34] <cluelessperson> cryptography and similar packages won't build in user environments
[18:35] <oerheks> cluelessperson, that might an exclusive example, basicly pip and sudo is driving on the wild side
[18:38] <grym> cluelessperson: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/scLTBJq6L4d2F8AGUMOL/ cryptography works fine in a virtualenv
[18:40] <grym> the last time i gave up and decided to install something into system python, it was openCV because their build process is absurd... but i figured out how to avoid that, too.
[18:41] <cluelessperson> grym: yes, that's the other one I was going to mention having to use.
[18:41] <grym> cluelessperson: you can work around it.
[18:41] <cluelessperson> :p
[18:42] <grym> i'll grant you that that one is annoying .. but i don't have much that's nice to say about openCV anyway
[18:45] <menk881> hi
[18:45] <menk881> is there a way to install ubuntu server on a disk with an LVM in LUKS?
[18:46] <menk881> I tried to manually run cryptsetup luksOpen, but the installer does not pick up the logical volumes
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> menk881: Question, how are you planning on unlocking the drive when it's in the data center? or is this a home/local instance?
[18:47] <menk881> it is for my own fileserver at home
[18:47] <menk881> so, the manual unlocking is no problem
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> menk881: thanks for clarifying... is this a fresh install, I think the installer should have prompted you to encrypt the disk when setting up the partitions
[18:50] <menk881> didnt see anything like that. also, I'd like to reuse the existing lvm.
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not certain, but I think the ability to convert an existing LVM to encrypted is very difficult
[18:52] <menk881> the older installer was able to pick up logical volumes that are active IIRC
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> menk881: The installer isn't going to be the issue. (unless I missed something)... the issue is you need 50% free space to do the encrypting. You have to skrink your current LVM setup to a single disk and that disk must have more than 50% free space
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> menk881: it also a high risk of data loss to the existing files
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> menk881: otherwise, this is a starting point for your journey :: https://jschumacher.info/2016/11/encrypt-an-existing-linux-installation-with-luks-and-lvm/
[18:59] <ghost2912> Hi, how to change the keyboard shortcut of next language input source in Ubuntu 18 ?
[18:59] <blind_> Hello
[18:59] <blind_> someone alive?
[19:00] <Sven_vB> hi! anyone know how I messed up iconv in a way that makes my UTF-8 ö (U+00F6 latin small letter o with diaeresis) become an ÷ (division sign) in Windows-1252?
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: guessing you changed something from UTF-8 encoding to Win1252
[19:03] <compdoc> menk881, ever look at veracrypt?
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> ghost2912: Settings -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts has all available keybaord shortcuts and helps you change them
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> compdoc: veracrypt isn't recommended for use with Linux
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> compdoc: at least not for full disk encryption
[19:04] <compdoc> works great for me on ubuntu
[19:04] <ghost2912> pragmaticenigma, the problem I don't have keyboard in Settings ...
[19:05] <compdoc> and yes, it not full disk. you create a container big enough to hold your files
[19:05] <ghost2912> and when I type in search keyboard I see Input Method
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> compdoc: Not what menk881 was asking for... they are interested in full disk
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> ghost2912: Input Method may also have the keybaord shortcuts within it
[19:06] <ghost2912> yes but there is smth strange when I open input method, there is window Input Method Configuration
[19:06] <ioria> ghost2912, Settings -> Devices
[19:07] <ghost2912> a yes I see now :)
[19:07] <ghost2912> thanks ioria, also why I cannot set ALT+SHIFT to switch language?
[19:08] <ghost2912> it doesn't accept this combination
[19:08] <ioria> ghost2912, illegal,maybe
[19:09] <ghost2912> looks like everything illegal or it doesn't work
[19:09] <ioria> Sven_vB, it's shifted by 1
[19:09] <Sven_vB> ioria, are you sure that's not about the uppercase Ö?
[19:10] <ioria> Sven_vB, idk, just reading this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252
[19:10] <ioria> Sven_vB, 00F6 > 00F7
[19:11] <Sven_vB> oh indeed
[19:12] <Sven_vB> I'll check with other chars if they're shifted also
[19:13] <ioria> ghost2912,  but it's legalon unity ...
[19:13] <ioria> bhof
[19:14] <ghost2912> ok, now at least I got how to assign new shortcut but alt + shift doesn't want ...
[19:14] <Sven_vB> that's strange, the receiving program thinks it has read 3 chars. one of them is the trailing newline, but I wonder where the other came from.
[19:14] <pavlushka> where the keyboard layout files located on ubuntu 16.04?
[19:14] <ioria> ghost2912,  maybe ask someone actually on 18.04 to change it
[19:22] <blind_> hey guys
[19:23] <blind_> how can I install a driver that has only a makefile and two folders, src and lib
[19:25] <anddam> blind_: a driver?
[19:26] <anddam> read the makefile and see what it does
[19:26] <anddam> what driver is it? is it supposed to build a module?
[19:27] <xamithan> well you build it,  then you install it
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> blind_: You need to read through the documentation where you aquired the driver source code from. They will provided you with the instructions. If they do not have documentation, you need to reach out to the author of the driver for help.
[19:28] <anddam> or read the makefile/source
[19:30] <blind_> thanks pragma
[19:31] <blind_> it is nothing included
[19:32] <ioria> blind_, why don'tyou start from the beginning ?  why do you need a non-stock module ? for what hardware  ? source taken from where ? etc. etc .
[19:34] <ioria> blind_, and maybe it's not even supported here
[19:34] <blind_> I have a Inspiron 1318 and I have installed Lubuntu
[19:35] <blind_> It's all OK but my broadcom wifi is not detected
[19:35] <blind_> I've found the controller for it
[19:35] <xamithan> You don't need crazy drviers for that,  just the firmware-b43legacy-installer package
[19:35] <blind_> aaaa
[19:35] <ioria> blind_,  Additional Drivers ?
[19:35] <jeremy31> blind_ In terminal post URL that is printed for this command> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net
[19:36] <jeremy31> blind_ In terminal post URL that is printed for this command> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:36] <ioria> blind_,  and scratch  the 'Makefile' thing
[19:36] <blind_> I installing that legacy pack man
[19:39] <xamithan> And thats why people should tell what the actual issue is instead of trying to install some random out of date source code =/
[19:40] <ioria> i'am not even sure he got broadcom ...
[19:40] <xamithan> I checked the inspirion model,  it seems to have it
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> xamithan: Not everyone is knowledgable in the topic of their issue. They search the web until they find something that looks like the solution to their problem and looks easy enough for themselve to take on.
[19:41] <leftyfb> "if it fits it ships"
[19:41] <xamithan> But the thing that fixes their issue is the first search result?...
[19:41] <redoasis> on rare occasion lol
[19:41] <leftyfb> depends on how good your google-fu is
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> xamithan: The second part of my comment covers that
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> xamithan: more specifically the second part of the second half
[19:42] <leftyfb> the majority of issues in here can usually be fixed by the first result from a pretty common sense search on google
[19:42] <leftyfb> at least IMO
[19:43] <Midoshi27> Hey all, I'm wondering if its a bad idea to permanently ban (using fail2ban) any user who fails 3 attempts to login to my web server? My iptables --list is getting quite large.
[19:43] <leftyfb> Midoshi27: that's not really an ubuntu support question
[19:43] <leftyfb> Midoshi27: try #security or #ubuntu-security
[19:43] <Midoshi27> oh
[19:43] <Midoshi27> thanks
[19:44] <xamithan> I guess I can see how a page like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx gives you TOO MANY options
[19:44] <jeffree> ubuntu 18.04 gnome-shell 3.28, neither the top bar menu or the 'power' panel in settings has no slider for screen brightness. Is that normal? I am wanting to try to get normal brightness adjustment working before implementing my own solution. This is a desktop computer, if that matters.
[19:51] <anddam> anyone using wpasupplicant on Ubuntu 16+?
[19:52] <leftyfb> anddam: that's not your question
[19:52] <anddam> I have this headless server, I have a wpa_supplicant config, I can manually start wpa_supplicant, and connect to it using wpa_cli, I can save the connection config
[19:52] <anddam> but I don't get what the unit file is meant to do, given that it doesn't load a default wpa_supplicant.conf file
[19:53] <anddam> i.e. I can manually connect my server using wpa_supplicant/dhclient, but I don't know how to "integrate" this with the unit file provided by wpasupplicant package
[19:56] <anddam> leftyfb: I know I shouldn't "anyone" IRC, but bear with me, it's late, I had a full day and the wireless not set up
[19:56] <gyani> Hey, I am on Ubuntu 18.04 and when I run top I can see that gnome-shell takes about 200-230% of my cpu. What is going on?
[19:57] <gyani> I can see visible lag in videos when I play them and the videos don't render smoothly.
[20:02] <Prospero_1> I see a lot of helpful information about gnome-shell high cpu usage through a quick google. There is a tweak-tool suggestion there that might be something to look at.
[20:05] <anddam> leftyfb: my doubt is if I should edit/augment the wpasupplicant unit file or what
[20:05] <anddam> leftyfb: wiki's command line instructions are pre-systemd
[20:16] <gemerttower> Thatsnice, came for a whole different question.. heh, my mac is trying to install new kernel version, but /boot is way too small is the message in my face
[20:17] <gemerttower> I can't make partitions larger or smaller when logged in, correct?
[20:17] <gemerttower> gparted won't let me anyway
[20:18] <jeremy31> I think you make make them larger just not smaller when mounted, use Live ISO
[20:19] <matjam> gemerttower: not while they are mounted. Actually ext supports online growing of a filesystem, but you'd have to do it from the cli and already have made the edits to the partition table. It's better to just boot off the USB/CD
[20:19] <gemerttower> but I have to make another one smaller to make /boot bigger
[20:19] <gemerttower> righto, will do, thanks!
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> gemerttower: The other option is to uninstall old kernels
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> gemerttower: I'd try "sudo apt-get autoremove" first and see if it is able to remove the old kernels
[20:22] <gemerttower> read somewhere 244MiB would be large enough hehe, anyway, did that pragmaticenigma
[20:22] <gemerttower> but thanks for that advice
[20:24] <gemerttower> what would be recommended for /boot anyway? it's a 120GB SSD
[20:25] <R13ose> I am getting this error when I use the command exit in busybox, when loaded at bootup.  Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/vORei7s How do I fix this?
[20:27] <tomreyn> R13ose: do you create new problems for fun and learning on a daily basis or is your hardware just broken and needs to be replaced?
[20:28] <R13ose> tomreyn: hardware broken and needs replacing but I want to try and make this work if possible.  I will buy a new machine as soon as I can.
[20:28] <tomreyn> you should mention that every single time you ask a question, please
[20:28] <R13ose> Why?
[20:29] <tomreyn> since otherwise people will spend their time trying to help you fix a system which is really broken beyond repair
[20:29] <R13ose> Is it?
[20:29] <tomreyn> and some may not like that once they find out that you were well aware of it
[20:30] <tomreyn> oyu just said so
[20:30] <R13ose> Okay, I will
[20:30] <tomreyn> thanks
[20:44] <yeee> hi guys, Should be very easy question for you guys. What are the main differences between Ubuntu server 18.04 “live” and “alternative”? Do they have different purposes?
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> yeee: Live allows you to boot into a fully function "live" instance of Ubuntu. where you can try things out without harm to your system
[20:48] <paull> Hi, I’ve got a problem with installing ubuntu on my Lenovo yoga 720. I’ve searched the web, and been helped by my university tech support, but without any result. When I try to install Ubuntu (and other distro’s, e.g. manjaro) on my lenovo, the screen turns black. After choosing any option in GRUB. There’s no output at all. The problem is, I can’t even get a log, or error messages. After choosing “try ubuntu without install
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> yeee: alternative is for installing only, and is for unique installation circumstances where the default installer may not have needed packages
[20:49] <paull> esides my fans starting to blow. I enabled/disabled fast boot and secure boot, switched between RAID an AHCI, enabled/disabled OS optimized defaults. Besides I tried some stuff using ‘e’ edit commands in GRUB. Does anyone know what I can try next?
[20:49] <Jordan_U> yeee: I don't think that there is an alternate Ubuntu server installer. For Ubuntu Desktop the Ubuntu alternate installer uses debian-installer rather than ubiquity. For Ubuntu server, the normal image already uses debian-installer, and is not "live".
  thank you, that i know. but i still wonder, is there any different purpose for those 2
[20:50] <yeee> i know the networking conf is different
[20:50] <Jordan_U> yeee: I haven't looked into it very recently though, so I may have missed a new development.
[20:50] <leftyfb> paull: the installed OS is exactly the same
[20:50] <yeee> is it true that live is focused on more cloud and cluster environment?
[20:51] <leftyfb> yeee: both installers will install the exact same OS
[20:52] <paull> @leftyfb: I'm sorry I have to go unexpectedly, thanks for your help
[20:54] <yeee> did i specify i meant ubuntu server\
[20:54] <pragmaticenigma> yeee: All installers will get Ubuntu installed, they have slight variations depending on the role and their selection of the default packages to be installed. If you are intending to install Ubuntu on a desktop/laptop for general use, the LiveCD is the appropriate installer for you.
[20:55] <yeee> i am installing it on server
[20:55] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I think you might misunderstand. There's an Ubuntu server LIVE cd now.
[20:55] <Crypto_> hi , what is best ubuntu version for gaming , hacking , works ?
[20:55] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: Why did they do that? (rhetorical question no response needed)
[20:55] <leftyfb> :/
[20:56] <Jordan_U> yeee: You might ask in #ubuntu-server, but there does indeed appear to be an ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64.iso and a ubuntu-18.04-server-amd64.iso and I can't find any documentation about how they differ.
[20:56] <pragmaticenigma> Crypto_: Asking question that are opinion based are topics for #ubuntu-offtopic.
[20:56] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I think it'll be useful. I use server cd's a lot for recovery. This will make it easier to get a proper shell
[20:56] <yeee> so far i have found this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2390785
[20:56] <plugwash> Has anyone seen errors like
[20:56] <plugwash> root@ubuntu:~# service openvpn status
[20:56] <plugwash> Failed to connect to bus: Connection refused
[20:56] <plugwash> and if so do they have any idea what might be causing them.
[20:57] <leftyfb> plugwash: what version of ubuntu?
[20:57] <plugwash> 16.04
[20:57] <leftyfb> plugwash: you should be using systemctl
[20:57] <leftyfb> plugwash: sudo systemctl status openvpn
[20:57] <Jordan_U> leftyfb: Does the Ubuntu server live allow you to interact with a full Ubuntu server install the way the Desktop live image does? Does the Ubuntu server live use debian-installer, ubiquity, or some other installer?
[20:57] <plugwash> leftyfb, same error
[20:58] <leftyfb> Jordan_U: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#New_since_17.10-2
[20:58] <leftyfb> plugwash: sudo journalctl -xe
[20:58]  * plugwash thought that if the system was using systemd "service" was just a wrapper round systemctl
[20:58] <yeee> yes, even when i install on live, it is mostly same like other installer
[20:58] <yeee> network conf file is different and small other stuff
[20:58] <yeee> but i am still wondering what are those purposes.
[20:59] <plugwash> "Unit systemd-udevd.service has failed."
[21:00] <yeee> this link is good as well about differences, but very brief information https://blog.printk.io/2018/04/ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-server-installer-differences/
[21:00] <leftyfb> yeee: again, if you install Ubuntu 18.04 server using the LIVE cd or the regular cd, you should get the exact same installed OS with the exact same configs. If you chose the same options for both.
[21:01] <leftyfb> interesting ... I stand corrected
[21:01] <yeee> both Gui installers are very straightforward
[21:01] <leftyfb> and that's silly
[21:02] <yeee> you cant conf much there, only network and hard drive.
[21:03] <yeee> i got this kind answer from ubuntu server
[21:03] <yeee> live == new fast image based installer.  alternative is the d-i based installer that has many more options
[21:03] <leftyfb> ah
[21:03] <leftyfb> that'll explain in
[21:03] <leftyfb> the images are pretty static require cloud-init
[21:04] <yeee> could you explain me please more about the cloud-init
[21:04] <leftyfb> yeee: you should ask in #ubuntu-server
[21:04] <leftyfb> also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit
[21:05] <transhuman> so i figured out one cause of slow boot problems: its the floppy module have to remove the floppy module (rmmod floppy) when a floppy doesnt exist, update initramfs and remove it from "/etc/fstab" ubuntu 18.04 puts it the file even though it doesnt exist, this is a definite bug
[21:05] <transhuman> oh and blacklist it
[21:05] <transhuman> my boot is still slow 5 minutes instead of 20
[21:06] <transhuman> to make it hard to diagnose if you have a non built in video card the floppy errors dont show anywhere
[21:08] <Two_Dogs> transhuman: did i read your comment correctly, 5min boot time?
 have you configured a network correctly? during a booting it is waiting network.
[21:08] <transhuman> https://superuser.com/questions/141770/ubuntu-login-takes-15-seconds-i-o-error-dev-fd0-sector-0
[21:08] <Jordan_U> transhuman: Please pastebin the output of "systemd-analyze blame".
[21:08] <transhuman> no nothing seems to be holding it up , it seems to be a xwindows problem now or a systemd bug
[21:09] <Jordan_U> leftyfb: That's interesting, thank you.
[21:09] <Two_Dogs> transhuman: i have not heard of systemd bug 'lets take 5min to boot'
[21:10] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZYvdWfHhsS/
[21:10] <transhuman> it could just be a shitty video card problem
[21:10] <matjam> transhuman: have you tried resetting your BIOS to "safe defaults"
[21:10] <transhuman> but the floppy problem is a definite problem
[21:11] <gemerttower> Yep, I'm doing a-ok :) imgur.com/a/CAb01HK .. Let me try the whole thing tomorrow again, you may laugh
[21:11] <transhuman> I have configured bios to what I need, resetting bios means I cant use my 16xpci video card in an 8x slot through an adapter cable
[21:11] <matjam> transhuman: so you don't think any of that might be causing a slow boot?
[21:11] <matjam> because until you do, you don't know.
[21:12] <transhuman> no I am almost postive its not the problem
[21:12] <transhuman> the floppy was a very big problem with a hidden error
[21:12] <transhuman> see link above
[21:12] <matjam> ...
[21:12] <matjam> it might have just been a symptom of some whack bios settings.
[21:13] <matjam> are you in here for help?
[21:13] <transhuman> could be, unfortunately the settings I have are required since its a repurposed server as a desktop
[21:13] <transhuman> its all I have for now
[21:13] <matjam> transhuman: servers often have slow POSTs
[21:14] <transhuman> no its not that comes much later in the cycle
[21:14] <transhuman> like its having trouble finding settings that work for xwindows
[21:14] <matjam> gub interacts with the BIOS, as does the kernel when it's doing initial hardware enumeration
[21:15] <matjam> if something is timing out while it's enumerating the devices, such as somethign the BIOS says is there, but actually isn't, the kernel will continue to try and enumerate it until it hits some internal timeout.
[21:15] <transhuman> do any of you see anything out of the ordinaryly slow startup in this http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZYvdWfHhsS/
[21:15] <matjam> what you should do, if you want to diagnose it properly, is add "nosplash text single" which will boot to singleuser mode and give you a chance to see what the kernel is printing as it's loading devices
[21:16] <transhuman> ok but that wont load xwindows will it?
[21:16] <matjam> it's not systemd
[21:16] <matjam> you should rule out the hardware enumeration stuff first
[21:16] <matjam> if it gets to singleuser in a few seconds then you can say, ok, for sure, 100% its not a hardware problem
[21:16] <transhuman> its fine until it gets to that point but I will do as you say to double check
[21:16] <matjam> at least not until that point
[21:17] <matjam> obviously video devices are not fully enumerated until X starts
[21:17] <transhuman> trying now
[21:17] <transhuman> thanks
[21:17] <Two_Dogs> transhuman:  copy/paste & execute via terminal> systemd-analyse time ## pls share
[21:17] <oerheks> transhuman, just disable floppy in your bios
[21:18] <transhuman> yeah did that
[21:18] <yeee> what lan card ESX 6.5 drivers would be best fit with new ubuntu server?
[21:18] <transhuman> Startup finished in 35.029s (kernel) + 26.596s (userspace) = 1min 1.625s
[21:18] <transhuman> graphical.target reached after 26.506s in userspace
[21:19] <leftyfb> yeee: the one that works with your lan card
[21:19] <timeless> has anyone hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1759118 ?
[21:23] <timeless> i'm having trouble using apt on bionic in an lxc
[21:24] <transhuman> oerheks, disabling floppy doesn't fix the error neither does removing the entry for the floppy that ubuntu (new install puts in it) this might be cured however by disabling the floppy in the bios before install
[21:27] <timeless> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ssfR0CfC/
[21:28] <matjam> transhuman: there's nothing stateful about udev or the kernel device enumeration
[21:28] <matjam> it doesn't write anything about the hardware config, it enumerates it every time on boot
[21:29] <transhuman> yes but if the floppy module is set to load on boot and there is a bug in the floppy module that causes it to generate repeat errors (without logging them ) then I can see this happening
[21:29] <gogeta> transhuman: whats a floppy
[21:29] <transhuman> it does in fact generate errors but only on the built in video card
[21:29] <gogeta> lol
[21:30] <transhuman> they dont show on the nvidia video cards on boot and arn't logged
[21:31] <matjam> timeless: you might need to disable ipv6 in the resolver
[21:31] <Hero_403> halo all..
[21:31] <timeless> matjam: the resolver is more or less lxd, afaict
[21:31] <timeless> do i do that from the outside?
[21:32] <transhuman> going to try a less resource demanding desktop like lxde  or xfce to see the difference in boot times
[21:33] <transhuman> oh there is one more interesting thing, vesa cards do not support any dual monitor settings except mirroring (that took a couple hours to figure out)
[21:33] <matjam> timeless: yeah, you might need to do that from outside
[21:33] <compdoc> ubuntu mate is nice
[21:33] <matjam> compdoc: it is!
[21:34] <compdoc> ikr
[21:34] <timeless> https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/3547 is not reassuring
[21:34] <transhuman> compdoc never used mate to be honest
[21:34] <matjam> timeless: yeah, the resolver config is separate to whether v6 IP networking is enabled
[21:34] <compdoc> I need it to be able to remote into my servers
[21:34] <matjam> timeless: so, is the Host also ubuntu?
[21:34] <transhuman> ah I see
[21:35] <timeless> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[21:35] <timeless> guest is bionic
[21:35] <timeless> the host has link local ipv6
[21:35] <transhuman> is it less resource intensive than xfce or lxde and better suited for lots of terminal work as well as internet browsing?
[21:35] <timeless> i can /probably/ safely disable ipv6 on the host
[21:35] <matjam> yeah so, you'd have to talk to someone who knows lxc but I'm guessing if it's using systemd-resolved then you might need to edit /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and disable ipv6 there ... but I don't know for sure
[21:36] <timeless> although i really don't feel particularly comfortable doing that
[21:36] <matjam> nah just disabling the v6 name resolution should fix it
[21:36] <matjam> host resolve has v6 enabled so it's asking for AAAA records, and passing them back
[21:36] <matjam> but you can disable it
[21:36] <transhuman> that was a question for you compdoc
[21:37] <xamithan> Hmm I disabled wayland now my system won't boot
[21:37] <nacc> xamithan: it probably boots fine, you mean you don't get a desktop prompt? what version of ubuntu?
[21:37] <xamithan> Yeah it boots,  just freezes after I input password
[21:37] <xamithan> 18.04
[21:37] <matjam> timeless: it could also be dnsmasq
[21:37] <timeless> yeah, i'm looking at the dnsmasq commandline
[21:37] <xamithan> I'm going to change it back then install another display manager
[21:37] <compdoc> transhuman, mate is a 2d desktop, and i run it fine on an old amd apu, but it has an ssd. its fast
[21:37] <timeless> dnsmasq -s lxd -S /lxd/ -u lxd --strict-order --bind-interfaces --pid-file=/run/lxd-bridge//dnsmasq.pid --dhcp-no-override --except-interface=lo --interface=lxdbr0 --dhcp-leasefile=/var/lib/lxd-bridge//dnsmasq.lxdbr0.leases --dhcp-authoritative --listen-address 10.66.53.1 --dhcp-range 10.66.53.2,10.66.53.254 --dhcp-lease-max=252
[21:38] <xamithan> Because I have no idea what is wrong
[21:38] <nacc> xamithan: well, you don't need wayland on 18.04, nor is it the default
[21:38] <matjam> timeless: https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeRouter/Disable-dnsmasq-ipv6/td-p/1537140
[21:38] <transhuman> thanks I think I will try it compdoc
[21:38] <xamithan> I upgraded from 17.10 though
[21:38] <matjam> timeless: ah not the way lol
[21:39] <nacc> xamithan: ok, you could try adding a dummy user and seeing if it happens to the new user too
[21:39] <transhuman> compdoc ... oh boy, it requires 900 meg of packages
[21:39] <xamithan> The weird thing is,  I thought I couldn't use wayland with nvidia driver?  I had that installed
[21:39] <compdoc> transhuman, youve tried the minimal install?
[21:39] <timeless> offhand, it doesn't /look/ like dnsmasq is doing dns
[21:40] <transhuman> no not really , I was going to try the full thing since its for a desktop on this system
[21:40] <transhuman> maybe I will just do a minimal
[21:41] <compdoc> I use the minimal for my servers
[21:41] <transhuman> yeah and I might try that as well on the servers I work with
[21:41] <compdoc> and x2go to remote into the desktop
[21:42] <transhuman> thanks for the tip
[21:42] <timeless> ok, i take that back, dnsmasq is definitely doing the dns
[21:42] <transhuman> bbl
[21:43] <matjam> timeless: -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true in apt-get might work for you
[21:43] <matjam> echo 'Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4
[21:43] <timeless> matjam: see pastebin, i already have that
[21:43] <matjam> oh
[21:44] <timeless> the fact that that doesn't work is really irksome
[21:44] <matjam> oh yeah I know
[21:44] <timeless> at some point i'll probably build apt from sourec and debug why that doesn't work
[21:44] <phinxy> libasound2 just got an upgrade but it made audio in mpv player choppy.  I would like to reverse downgrade to the previous version.  apt-cache showpkg does not list any other than 1.1.3-5
[21:44] <timeless> since imo that absolutely should work
[21:44] <matjam> timeless: are you using network-manager in the guest
[21:44] <timeless> matjam: it's a generic bionic
[21:44] <matjam> what does nmcli show
[21:45] <timeless>  /lib/systemd/systemd-networkd
[21:45] <timeless> Command 'nmcli' not found, but can be installed with:
[21:45] <matjam> yarrr its a server, its using what ever they decided servers should use this month
[21:45] <matjam>  /etc/network/interfaces maybe
[21:45] <nacc> if it's a fresh 18.04 server instance, that would be netplan
[21:46] <timeless> that file is pure comments
[21:46] <timeless> # ifupdown has been replaced by netplan(5) on this system.  See
[21:46] <matjam> gotya
[21:46] <timeless> which forwards to /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml which is boring
[21:46] <matjam> I am not familiar with netplan
[21:46] <timeless> that makes two of us :-)
[21:47] <nacc> timeless: sorry not really looking to scrollback, what's your issue?
[21:47] <timeless> i'm an old school bearded guy :-)
[21:47] <matjam> same
[21:48] <timeless> i'm trying to figure out what language https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeRouter/Disable-dnsmasq-ipv6/m-p/1680312#M128754 is
[21:49] <matjam> awesome, I have managed to crash my window manager
[21:49] <timeless> ooh, that brings back memories :-)
[21:49] <matjam> three monitors on a video card with 768MB ram
[21:49] <matjam> actuall two video cards
[21:49] <timeless> so far w/ bionic i've only managed to crash the print service
[21:49] <matjam> I might be pushing things a bit
[21:50] <matjam> I might disable the secondary card and just use the primary card
[21:50] <timeless> which was neat, given that i wasn't actually doing anything w/ printers -- it (running in virtualbox) managed to discover a network printer automatically and then crash
[21:50] <matjam> hah
[21:50] <matjam> yeah 18.04 has some issues
[21:51] <timeless> any guesses as to what those set commands were for?
[21:51] <timeless> they don't look like `dnsmasq` syntax, nor `lxc`
[21:51] <matjam> nacc: he can't do ipv6 from his lxc container running ubuntu 18.04 on a 16.04 host
[21:51] <matjam> nacc: and apt fails
[21:52] <Jordan_U> timeless: matjam: In case there was confusion, ubnt stands for Ubiquiti NeTworks and has nothing to do with the Ubuntu project.
[21:53] <nacc> matjam: i see
[21:54] <nacc> timeless: are you actually using ipv6? or it just is only coming up with ipv6?
[21:55] <LeelooMinai> \part
[22:12] <timeless> fwiw... there's no ipv6 assigned... https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/M0Y7EYAV/
[22:13] <scooterd> help
[22:14] <timeless> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2329576
[22:15] <scooterd> hey guys need help with wifi not showing in drop menu
[22:15] <scooterd> can connect with cable
[22:18] <nacc> timeless: is your 16.04 lxd bridge (or otherwise) configured to server out ipv6?
[22:19] <matjam> well I guess I am not doing triple displays on this machine until I get the new video card
[22:20] <matjam> scooterd: did you check the software & updates settings, in Additional Drivers
[22:21] <scooterd> matjam yes i have
[22:23] <matjam> scooterd: are you running on a laptop?
[22:24] <scooterd> matjam yes  when i did terminal for cae
[22:25] <scooterd> card said there wasnt one
[22:25] <matjam> scooterd: can you do  "lspci | pastebinit"  in a terminal
[22:25] <matjam> and share the url
[22:25] <matjam> you might need to "sudo apt install pastebinit" first
[22:26] <vl> Hi to all!
[22:28] <scooterd> matjam no url came up
[22:29] <timeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1092691
[22:29]  * timeless sighs
[22:30] <Two_Dogs> matjam: a replacement for pastebinit requiring no installs. 'nc termbin.com 9999'
[22:31] <timeless> ok, i give up, i'm going to just build apt from sources and trace...
[22:31] <matjam> scooterd: just paste the output of lspci to paste.ubuntu.com and share the link
[22:31] <matjam> timeless: good luck
[22:31] <timeless> matjam: i do this every 5-10 years...
[22:31] <matjam> nod
[22:31] <timeless> oh brother
[22:31] <Two_Dogs> timeless: does aptitude also cause same error?
[22:32] <timeless> i can't use `apt source`
[22:32] <timeless> two_dogs: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eqwgqATb/
[22:32] <timeless> Two_Dogs: that's a chicken-egg problem :-)
[22:33] <Two_Dogs> timeless: true, synaptic also broke?
[22:33] <timeless> this is bionic (server): https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fM9vC7SN/
[22:33] <transhuman> anyone know if there is a way to take the final part of the video detection process and easily apply it to a working static xorg.conf configuration
[22:34] <Two_Dogs> timeless: on a server?
[22:34] <Two_Dogs> ahh, server
[22:35] <alice1195> Hello, what do you usually talk about on here?
[22:36] <alice1195> Some technical support?
[22:36] <Two_Dogs> alice1195: yes
[22:36] <matjam> timeless: you could probably use apt-offline
[22:36] <matjam> timeless: as a workaround
[22:37] <alice1195> ok, thanks. I'll keep it in mind
[22:37] <timeless> matjam: is that a chicken-egg problem ?
[22:37] <scooterd> matjam done i think
[22:37] <matjam> scooterd: I need the url
[22:38] <timeless> matjam: i don't think i /need/ to build in bionic
[22:38] <timeless> it should be fine for me to build in xenial
[22:38] <scooterd> majam no url came up
[22:39]  * timeless used to do messier things in the past
[22:40] <transhuman> now that is really strange, has the Xorg log disappeared in 18.04?
[22:41] <matlock> When you're ready to use Ubuntu with fractional scaling on multiple HiDPI monitors at different rates, remember you can install Windows 10 and then boot Ubuntu on top of it directly into Gnome
[22:41] <matlock> https://github.com/NathanCastle/BootShellCredentialProvider
[22:41] <nacc> transhuman: it's per user now
[22:41] <transhuman> ok? so where is it?
[22:42] <nacc> transhuman: ~/local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log, iirc
[22:43] <transhuman> nacc doesnt exist
[22:44] <matlock> The lack of decent mainsteam apps is hurting the Linux desktop, the obvious solution is to run Android apps on Linux, but Anbox is barely updated. The ability to run Linux apps on ChromeOS next to Android apps is compelling, but currently limited to one device. In the mean time you can run the NT kernel, Xorg, your favorite DE, and all Linux binaries natively on Windows 10, and
[22:44] <matlock>  have a decent Instagram client too
[22:44] <matjam> scooterd: I need this: https://imgur.com/a/ElVh8FX
[22:45] <nacc> matjam: please stay ontopic.
[22:45] <matjam> nacc: I am?
[22:45] <nacc> matjam: no you are not
[22:45] <nacc> matjam: take rants elsewhere
[22:46] <matjam> what?
[22:46] <nacc> matjam: bah, sorry! typo
[22:46] <nacc> matlock: --^
[22:46] <matjam> -.-
[22:46] <nacc> matjam: sorry again
[22:46] <nacc> matlock: please stay ontopic and take rants elsewhere.
[22:46] <Two_Dogs> matjam: i was going to blame you too.
[22:46] <matjam> :-(
[22:50] <rud0lf> is there a way to cache some code into a part of ram somehow so it lauches fast?
[22:50] <matjam> scooterd: you need to open a terminal, type "lspci", and paste it into https://paste.ubuntu.com/ and once you paste it, send the URL at the top to the channel.
[22:51] <nacc> rud0lf: some code?
[22:51] <rud0lf> when there's lot of swappiness i'd like to quickly kill some processes that may caused it
[22:51] <matjam> rud0lf: run it once, and it will be cached!
[22:51] <nacc> rud0lf: you can mlock memory, you can use readahead (which can help sometimes)
[22:51] <nacc> rud0lf: those are two different things, right?
[22:52] <nacc> *two different support requests
[22:52] <rud0lf> not really
[22:52] <rud0lf> you can fuse them :)
[22:52] <nacc> rud0lf: killing of programs that cause swapping is unrelated to caching of programs so they load fast
[22:53] <rud0lf> i mean stop something that hogs my system (and i know what) asap
[22:54] <rud0lf> i guess ctrl+alt+f1 and kill (possibly -9) is the way
[22:55] <nacc> rud0lf: you know what is going to hog your system and want to kill it?
[22:55] <transhuman> lots of errors before a final working config, is there a way to shorten the process? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v2QHCB7SCS/
[22:55] <nacc> rud0lf: why not put it in a cgroup with a memory limit
[22:56] <enlightenedcloud> Hi need help in figuring out why root owns share folder in ubuntu 18.04 while running in  vmware
[22:56] <rud0lf> nacc: i'm not that advanced yet
[22:56] <rud0lf> but i google and read about it, thankks
[22:56] <nacc> rud0lf: or don't run the thing you are going to end up killing?
[22:56] <rud0lf> :)
[22:56] <nacc> rud0lf: feel like there is something missing in your description of the problem
[22:57] <rud0lf> i just dos-ed my headphone set.. i've found it provides serial port profile
[22:57] <rud0lf> then i cat /dev/urandom > /dev/rfcomm0
[22:57] <rud0lf> :)
[22:57] <rud0lf> it frozen my desktop :o
[22:58] <nacc> rud0lf: so you did something 'dumb' and ... are sad it had bad effects?
[22:58] <rud0lf> i didn't know it will freeze my os :p
[22:58] <Two_Dogs> rud0lf: surprise
[22:58] <rud0lf> :)
[22:58] <rud0lf> i guess i just need to be careful and play around
[22:59] <nacc> rud0lf: did you do that cat as root?
[22:59] <rud0lf> i know it's an oxymoron, i meant be careful by trying-and-failing
[22:59] <rud0lf> yes, as root.. couldn't access /dev/rfcomm0 as rud0lf
[22:59] <nacc> rud0lf: right, so as root you can do all sorts of terrible things
[22:59] <xirg> hello, how can I synch my ubuntu "windows app" between 2 computers?
[23:00] <nacc> big fat hint if you have to be root to do something, don't do it unless you know what it is
[23:00] <rud0lf> mhm
[23:00] <enlightenedcloud> Can someone help me fix get shared folder (owner root and can't be changed with chown) in ubuntu 18.04 while running in vmware?
[23:00] <Two_Dogs> xirg: what is a 'windows app'?
[23:02] <xirg> ubuntu is available from the windows store
[23:03] <xirg> to install inside the windows OS
[23:03] <xirg> Two_Dogs, that's what i'm referring to
[23:03] <Two_Dogs> xirg: got you
[23:04] <transhuman> so do I have to boot to init 2 or 3 in order to get Xorg -configure to build an Xorg.conf
[23:08] <insidious> is there a fix or driver for elan "touchpad" for asus ?
[23:08] <insidious> my touchpad barely works and when it does it glitches around.
[23:27] <matjam> insidious: try xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[23:27] <matjam> install it, then reboot
[23:34] <insidious> ok
[23:38] <aloo_shu> pkg ardour: the highest version available upstream is 5.12, ubuntu is at 4.6 . I can see why one wants to avoid the 5 series, but anybody knows why it isn't 4.7, which was the latest and supposedly most mature in the 4 series?
[23:38] <Thanos> how long does it takes to be reasonably proficient and self sufficient in linux if I put hobby level time into it? year? couple years?
[23:40] <oerheks> 1 hour and https://help.ubuntu.com/ ..
[23:40] <timeless> fwiw, i managed to use apt -c + apt-offline and am now building apt..
[23:43] <aloo_shu> Thanos desktop user level under a year, i.e. using mail, surfing the web, watching media, managing files is pretty intuitive; power user level with command line fluidity and ability to do system maintainace and configuration, maybe your estimate
[23:43] <aloo_shu> -intuitive immediately
[23:45] <Thanos> aloo_shu: thanks. very good answer.
[23:54] <scooterd> madlam you still here
[23:54] <scooterd> madjam