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| cpaelzer | pitti: hiho, what is actually the convention on the autopkgtest users password (if ther is any) | 06:38 |
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| cpaelzer | for a test that runs with needs-root anyway (so I know I'm root) | 06:39 |
| cpaelzer | I'd need to know its PW | 06:39 |
| cpaelzer | I could of course just set one via e.g. usermod -p - if that is allowed and not breaking the test | 06:39 |
| pitti | cpaelzer: there isn't any really | 06:39 |
| cpaelzer | IIRC we get the special root access via the tty | 06:39 |
| cpaelzer | and that is it | 06:39 |
| cpaelzer | so no policy beyond that special access via the tty then? | 06:40 |
| pitti | cpaelzer: if you need a password, the test should set it by itself (and declare breaks-testbed) | 06:40 |
| cpaelzer | yep I'll do so | 06:40 |
| pitti | cpaelzer: special access via tty is only for qemu; there you of course need to specify the password on the CLI (but not in the test!) | 06:40 |
| cpaelzer | I just didn't find a doc clearly stating on or the other, so I wanted to ask | 06:40 |
| cpaelzer | thanks pitti! | 06:40 |
| pitti | cpaelzer: but setup-testbed actually creates a systemd unit that just offers a root shell on ttyS1 :) | 06:41 |
| pitti | which avoids knowing any password | 06:41 |
| tjaalton | so are we dropping support for running native i386 in 18.10? | 06:41 |
| tjaalton | seems not decided yet | 06:48 |
| Unit193 | I liked the "heavily warn, but allow it up until the next LTS" method. | 06:48 |
| pitti | seems safer to not allow it at all now, to avoid getting people stuck on short-lived releases | 06:51 |
| tjaalton | yeah, I'd drop it from 18.10 | 06:52 |
| Unit193 | pitti: Given that some LTSes are only 3 years, one really doesn't gain time. | 07:02 |
| tjaalton | still longer than "until next lts" | 07:15 |
| tjaalton | besides, kernel support is shared by all | 07:15 |
| Unit193 | Sure, just personally I'd prefer to roll with the normal releases until then. I do have some 32bit only stuff still. :3 | 07:16 |
| pitti | Unit193: what happened to 5 years? | 07:38 |
| Unit193 | pitti: Eg, Xubuntu never did that. Only 3. | 07:38 |
| Unit193 | Same with a few other flavors. | 07:38 |
| tjaalton | and what does that mean exactly? that they don't provide fixes to the desktop packages? everything else in main will still get updates | 07:40 |
| Unit193 | Except that all of Xfce is in universe, soo.. | 07:40 |
| tjaalton | so? | 07:40 |
| tjaalton | I said main, which has a lot of libraries I bet the xubuntu bits depend on | 07:41 |
| Unit193 | Of course they do. | 07:41 |
| tjaalton | and looks like it uses firefox as the browser, which is probably the most security sensitive app on it | 07:43 |
| Unit193 | Arguably openssl, I'd say. :> | 07:43 |
| tjaalton | still supported | 07:43 |
| Unit193 | I'm aware, yes. Point isn't "What's an LTS mean?" though. | 07:44 |
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| didrocks | bdmurray: hey, any update on https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu-release-upgrader/add_telemetry/+merge/345088? I added more metrics after our last week discussion with j_ibel | 14:15 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: Oh, I didn't see the updates. I'm not clear on the answer about the "From" distro. | 14:23 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: and when I said From I meant "To" | 14:23 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: look at the README on https://github.com/Ubuntu/ubuntu-report | 14:23 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: you have a lot more information reported than installer or upgrader one | 14:24 |
| didrocks | one of them is "Version", which is basically the "To" | 14:24 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: What if it crashes before the upgrade completes? | 14:24 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: no Upgrade telemetry file present | 14:25 |
| didrocks | if the user can still boot a bionic session, they will have the other info | 14:25 |
| didrocks | but not upgrader specific ones | 14:25 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: I'm sorry but I'm not following. Why would the upgrade telemetry file not be present? | 14:30 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: well, you mentioned if "it" crashes, I think you meant "it" being do-release-upgrader | 14:30 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: I did | 14:31 |
| didrocks | if do-release-upgrader crashes, then, the upgrade file isn't present as it's saved whenthe upgrade completes… | 14:31 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: So we'll only have information on succceses? | 14:32 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: we send the information after first login on a new release for the user | 14:32 |
| didrocks | so if the upgrade or install fails, we don't send those possibly corrupted metrics | 14:32 |
| didrocks | this is where whoopsie should trigger and report the crash | 14:32 |
| didrocks | but completely unrelated to hardware and other report info | 14:33 |
| bdmurray | Okay, and are you looking for me to just approve the MP? | 14:33 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: yes, if you don't spot any obvious issue or typos :) | 14:34 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: Okay, thanks for talking it through with me! | 14:34 |
| didrocks | thanks for the review! ;) | 14:35 |
| slangasek | infinity, kees, stgraber, mdeslaur: TB posers meeting? | 19:02 |
| infinity | wxl: *nudge* | 19:33 |
| * wxl awakens from his slumber | 19:33 | |
| infinity | wxl: Can you apply another month or two of "democracy, what democracy?" to https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members ? | 19:34 |
| infinity | wxl: We're also chasing down the whole election business, promise. :P | 19:34 |
| wxl | ok | 19:34 |
| infinity | wxl: Thanks! | 19:37 |
| wxl | np | 19:37 |
| wxl | supposedly owners are supposed to get those messages but it didn't come. i'll mail the cc so they're informed | 19:38 |
| infinity | slangasek: We're good through Aug 03, if you can manage to get someone's attention about an election before then. :) | 19:38 |
| slangasek | infinity: k | 19:38 |
| wxl | infinity: slangasek: to be clear, what's lacking? what resources do you need? can we/i help? | 19:40 |
| slangasek | wxl: someone with authority needs to call for candidates and run an election. That's ultimately probably only sabdfl, but perhaps the CC can help | 19:42 |
| wxl | slangasek: i'll ask the cc about that and get back to you | 19:44 |
| wxl | slangasek: anything else? | 19:44 |
| slangasek | wxl: that's all, thanks :) | 19:47 |
| wxl | slangasek: infinity: do you have an easy way of generating emails to send to the appropriate ubuntu developers for the tb elections? | 20:08 |
| slangasek | wxl: I do not | 20:09 |
| wxl | oh nevermind | 20:09 |
| wxl | i found it | 20:09 |
| elim_garak | is anyone here an admin or moderator for the ubuntu mailing lists? | 22:22 |
| elim_garak | I cant subscribe to ubuntu-bugs to save my life | 22:22 |
| elim_garak | ive tried to send emails to subscribe to the mailman system, ive tried emailing the admin of the list. nothing | 22:23 |
| elim_garak | ive checked my junk, spam, everything. I'm not getting emails from the list | 22:23 |
| elim_garak | and, i cant subscribe to any ubuntu list | 22:23 |
| wxl | did you use the form elim_garak https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs ? | 22:24 |
| elim_garak | yes | 22:24 |
| elim_garak | never get the confirmation email | 22:24 |
| elim_garak | was hoping an admin or mod could manually add me or test sending me something | 22:24 |
| nacc | well tht wasn't one of the things you mentioned above :) | 22:24 |
| wxl | i'd advise checking with #canonical-sysadmin as that sounds like a general issue that may affect more than your ability to subscribe | 22:24 |
| elim_garak | ty will do | 22:26 |
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