[06:38] <cpaelzer> pitti: hiho, what is actually the convention on the autopkgtest users password (if ther is any)
[06:39] <cpaelzer> for a test that runs with needs-root anyway (so I know I'm root)
[06:39] <cpaelzer> I'd need to know its PW
[06:39] <cpaelzer> I could of course just set one via e.g. usermod -p - if that is allowed and not breaking the test
[06:39] <pitti> cpaelzer: there isn't any really
[06:39] <cpaelzer> IIRC we get the special root access via the tty
[06:39] <cpaelzer> and that is it
[06:40] <cpaelzer> so no policy beyond that special access via the tty then?
[06:40] <pitti> cpaelzer: if you need a password, the test should set it by itself (and declare breaks-testbed)
[06:40] <cpaelzer> yep I'll do so
[06:40] <pitti> cpaelzer: special access via tty is only for qemu; there you of course need to specify the password on the CLI (but not in the test!)
[06:40] <cpaelzer> I just didn't find a doc clearly stating on or the other, so I wanted to ask
[06:40] <cpaelzer> thanks pitti!
[06:41] <pitti> cpaelzer: but setup-testbed actually creates a systemd unit that just offers a root shell on ttyS1 :)
[06:41] <pitti> which avoids knowing any password
[06:41] <tjaalton> so are we dropping support for running native i386 in 18.10?
[06:48] <tjaalton> seems not decided yet
[06:48] <Unit193> I liked the "heavily warn, but allow it up until the next LTS" method.
[06:51] <pitti> seems safer to not allow it at all now, to avoid getting people stuck on short-lived releases
[06:52] <tjaalton> yeah, I'd drop it from 18.10
[07:02] <Unit193> pitti: Given that some LTSes are only 3 years, one really doesn't gain time.
[07:15] <tjaalton> still longer than "until next lts"
[07:15] <tjaalton> besides, kernel support is shared by all
[07:16] <Unit193> Sure, just personally I'd prefer to roll with the normal releases until then.  I do have some 32bit only stuff still. :3
[07:38] <pitti> Unit193: what happened to 5 years?
[07:38] <Unit193> pitti: Eg, Xubuntu never did that.  Only 3.
[07:38] <Unit193> Same with a few other flavors.
[07:40] <tjaalton> and what does that mean exactly? that they don't provide fixes to the desktop packages? everything else in main will still get updates
[07:40] <Unit193> Except that all of Xfce is in universe, soo..
[07:40] <tjaalton> so?
[07:41] <tjaalton> I said main, which has a lot of libraries I bet the xubuntu bits depend on
[07:41] <Unit193> Of course they do.
[07:43] <tjaalton> and looks like it uses firefox as the browser, which is probably the most security sensitive app on it
[07:43] <Unit193> Arguably openssl, I'd say. :>
[07:43] <tjaalton> still supported
[07:44] <Unit193> I'm aware, yes.  Point isn't "What's an LTS mean?" though.
[14:15] <didrocks> bdmurray: hey, any update on https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu-release-upgrader/add_telemetry/+merge/345088? I added more metrics after our last week discussion with j_ibel
[14:23] <bdmurray> didrocks: Oh, I didn't see the updates. I'm not clear on the answer about the "From" distro.
[14:23] <bdmurray> didrocks: and when I said From I meant "To"
[14:23] <didrocks> bdmurray: look at the README on https://github.com/Ubuntu/ubuntu-report
[14:24] <didrocks> bdmurray: you have a lot more information reported than installer or upgrader one
[14:24] <didrocks> one of them is "Version", which is basically the "To"
[14:24] <bdmurray> didrocks: What if it crashes before the upgrade completes?
[14:25] <didrocks> bdmurray: no Upgrade telemetry file present
[14:25] <didrocks> if the user can still boot a bionic session, they will have the other info
[14:25] <didrocks> but not upgrader specific ones
[14:30] <bdmurray> didrocks: I'm sorry but I'm not following. Why would the upgrade telemetry file not be present?
[14:30] <didrocks> bdmurray: well, you mentioned if "it" crashes, I think you meant "it" being do-release-upgrader
[14:31] <bdmurray> didrocks: I did
[14:31] <didrocks> if do-release-upgrader crashes, then, the upgrade file isn't present as it's saved whenthe upgrade completes…
[14:32] <bdmurray> didrocks: So we'll only have information on succceses?
[14:32] <didrocks> bdmurray: we send the information after first login on a new release for the user
[14:32] <didrocks> so if the upgrade or install fails, we don't send those possibly corrupted metrics
[14:32] <didrocks> this is where whoopsie should trigger and report the crash
[14:33] <didrocks> but completely unrelated to hardware and other report info
[14:33] <bdmurray> Okay, and are you looking for me to just approve the MP?
[14:34] <didrocks> bdmurray: yes, if you don't spot any obvious issue or typos :)
[14:34] <bdmurray> didrocks: Okay, thanks for talking it through with me!
[14:35] <didrocks> thanks for the review! ;)
[19:02] <slangasek> infinity, kees, stgraber, mdeslaur: TB posers meeting?
[19:33] <infinity> wxl: *nudge*
[19:33]  * wxl awakens from his slumber
[19:34] <infinity> wxl: Can you apply another month or two of "democracy, what democracy?" to https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members ?
[19:34] <infinity> wxl: We're also chasing down the whole election business, promise. :P
[19:34] <wxl> ok
[19:37] <infinity> wxl: Thanks!
[19:37] <wxl> np
[19:38] <wxl> supposedly owners are supposed to get those messages but it didn't come. i'll mail the cc so they're informed
[19:38] <infinity> slangasek: We're good through Aug 03, if you can manage to get someone's attention about an election before then. :)
[19:38] <slangasek> infinity: k
[19:40] <wxl> infinity: slangasek: to be clear, what's lacking? what resources do you need? can we/i help?
[19:42] <slangasek> wxl: someone with authority needs to call for candidates and run an election.  That's ultimately probably only sabdfl, but perhaps the CC can help
[19:44] <wxl> slangasek: i'll ask the cc about that and get back to you
[19:44] <wxl> slangasek: anything else?
[19:47] <slangasek> wxl: that's all, thanks :)
[20:08] <wxl> slangasek: infinity: do you have an easy way of generating emails to send to the appropriate ubuntu developers for the tb elections?
[20:09] <slangasek> wxl: I do not
[20:09] <wxl> oh nevermind
[20:09] <wxl> i found it
[22:22] <elim_garak> is anyone here an admin or moderator for the ubuntu mailing lists?
[22:22] <elim_garak> I cant subscribe to ubuntu-bugs to save my life
[22:23] <elim_garak> ive tried to send emails to subscribe to the mailman system, ive tried emailing the admin of the list. nothing
[22:23] <elim_garak> ive checked my junk, spam, everything. I'm not getting emails from the list
[22:23] <elim_garak> and, i cant subscribe to any ubuntu list
[22:24] <wxl> did you use the form elim_garak https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs ?
[22:24] <elim_garak> yes
[22:24] <elim_garak> never get the confirmation email
[22:24] <elim_garak> was hoping an admin or mod could manually add me or test sending me something
[22:24] <nacc> well tht wasn't one of the things you mentioned above :)
[22:24] <wxl> i'd advise checking with #canonical-sysadmin as that sounds like a general issue that may affect more than your ability to subscribe
[22:26] <elim_garak> ty will do