=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === ecloud_ is now known as ecloud_wfh [09:14] Hi guys. … I'm having problems with telegram app since a couple of weeks. … After a crash of the app I have to login the phone number in to the app. A weird thing is that even if i don't do it I'm still recieving notifications from push server. … To solve this I tried to: … -close al sesions of my phone number in telegram. … -Uninsta [09:14] ll and clear all files from telegram with ut tweaktool … -reboot phone. … Any ideas? … I can put it on github but I thought that maybe answer first would be better. I also have some logs if needed to track it. [09:18] @j2g2rp, Different symptoms, but slightly more brutal solution than you tried that might work: https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/issues/169#issuecomment-386788316 [09:21] @alan_griffiths, Ok. I'll try it. … thank you Alan. [09:28] YoYoTischler was added by: YoYoTischler [09:31] Welcome @YoYoTischler !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [09:34] steba74 was added by: steba74 [09:37] Welcome @steba74 !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [12:15] has anyone got the wireless display work connecting to windows 10? [12:58] I just want to say that 16.04 on the Pro 5 is a really pleasant experience! It boots in around 15-16 seconds and the phone is really fast and smooth. Unfortunately there are a few things that keep me from using it as a daily driver: … 1) Browser issues (waiting for the Qt Web Engine version to fix many of the issues) … 2) Dekko [12:58] being upgraded to xenial … 3) A working Telegram client (I guess 1) above would fix Web Telegram) … In addition to the above, I would like to have GPS working (still getting GPE denied). Other than that, I am good to go. Seems we are getting really close now 🙂! [12:59] @TomasOqvist, Telegram is already available for 16.04 [13:00] Oh it is? Haven't checked the OpenStore since the day before yesterday. [13:01] maybe your openstore cannot detect it still, as there is now support for 15.04 and 16.04 [13:01] this should be disucssed with the Openstore team [13:01] But the App is in the store 😆 [13:02] (Photo, 548x276) https://irc.ubports.com/Y7QMWYqC.png [13:02] I have it installed already (v 2.5.3.2) and it doesn't work. I thought there was an updated version there, but no. [13:02] You can see the version number did not change, its just 2x in the store [13:03] the openstore should detect which one to install [13:03] I have only one version in the OpenStore. [13:04] yeah sure, you will see only one [13:04] What I am saying is, behind the scenes there are 2, and openstore should select the right one [13:04] But I cant do aynthing about this, please report this to openstore team, ask if it should work already or not [13:04] I dont know when this went live or should go livd [13:04] [Edit] I dont know when this went live or should go live [13:05] I'll try to install the click (xenial) I found on the OpenStore web site. [13:09] Hm, I get an error when trying to install the click package with UT Tweak Tool "The transaction failed, see the detailed error for more information." [13:11] pkcon install-local fails too: "Could not parse click manifest." [13:16] Is there any documentation about how "community ports" of a devices work. Can they be integrated in the ubports build server and installer or do they have to provide their own build infrastructure and way of distribution? [13:16] Apparently it installed despite the error message and I have now managed to sign in! [13:16] cool [13:17] What about the Qt Web Engine browser that Marius talked about, is it available to download somewhere? [13:18] @Flohack, Errors are not cool, but I am glad that it worked 🙂 [13:19] [Edit] What about the Qt Web Engine browser that @mariogrip talked about, is it available to download somewhere? [13:19] @TomasOqvist, Not now, but soonish ;) [13:19] @Flohack, That's cool! [13:39] @Stereofont, I'm interested❗️ [13:46] @mymike00, https://t.me/UBports_pi [13:46] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/q3qJri8e.webp [13:54] @TomasOqvist, Same happened with me [14:32] If you aren't subscribed to the Official UBports News Channel, you are probably missing something cool right now. It's just one click to subscribe so... do it! … https://t.me/ubports_news === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [14:55] hmmm phone based on rpi using ubports as os [14:55] I'd buy it [15:06] Mainlined FP2 [15:06] 11/10 would buy [15:07] RPi-based would also be cool, but I have 2 concerns [15:07] performance and form factor [15:09] well it doesn't have to be a portable phone, depending on what you wish to use it for [15:11] yeah [15:12] Carphone! [15:12] But ultimately the Pi is a development board. You can take all of its hardware and put it in a different form factor if you want [15:12] +1 [15:13] yeah [15:13] I need a goddamn qwerty slider [15:13] They have a Pi in a DDR3 SODIMM form factor, too. That'd fit in a chunky phone like the Fairphone if you were a good enough engineer [15:13] (I suspect, not being an engineer) [15:13] had broken N900 in my hands for a while and I miss that SOOO MUUUUCH [15:14] @UniversalSuperBox, well, you could just design your own PCB really [15:14] the keyboard part I mean [15:14] Or that [15:14] and have some company in china print them, and solder all the components, and whatnot [15:15] I don't know what the motherboard for that sodimm forfactor has, perhaps we could handwire that sodimm one? :v [15:15] You break it out yourself [15:15] https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-3/ [15:15] yeah, the sodimm version you basically design your own board with your stuff, with a sodimm socket the pi plugs into [15:16] And the breakout board that they ship, you're supposed to design your own: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-io-board-v3/ [15:17] at which pont you're probably better off just doing the whole pcb yourself and using a sodimm socket for RAM instead of a Pi :P [15:17] Or the cheaper module without eMMC: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-3-lite/ [15:18] I wish there was a way [15:18] They only have 1GB RAM, though. [15:18] to do some small sockets so nand and ram could be socketed [15:18] but it's not possible AFAIK [15:19] especially that RAM is stacked on top of SoC [15:19] Not on the Pi. It's got separate RAM chips. If you were designing a board based on it, it'd have you covered. [15:20] I mean, Qcom chips are more performant [15:20] than RPi's broadcomms [15:20] AFAIK [15:20] Sure, but we need to make a compromise somewhere [15:21] yeah, is Pi mainlined anyway? [15:40] @UniversalSuperBox, Aren't you an engineer? [15:41] @technicalbird, did he ever say "Trust me, I'm an engineer"? [15:41] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/U4gYFSo2.mp4 [15:41] But no, I don't have the credentials to be called an engineer. Especially not an electrical engineer. [15:42] Dont worry.. most of the great engineers never had any degree!! Engineering is not about specific syllabus!! [15:43] accortding to the law, it is [15:59] @technicalbird, ✌🏽 [17:05] zubozrout was added by: zubozrout [17:06] UBAM, don't shoot! I recognize that username! [17:06] :P [17:07] Welcome @zubozrout :) [17:09] Hello, thanks and happy to be here again :)). [17:09] In any case I've joined as I wonder if anyone here have any idea about how app IDs are constructed? … As I am getting this error when trying to launch my xenial compiled app: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1268/unable-to-start-app-because-of-invalid-app-id-xenial [17:10] hmm, did you change anything related to the app name? [17:11] @dohbee you mean in between 15.04 and 16.04 builds? No ... if I build it for 15.04 it launches correctly on my phone and if I try to do the same for 16.04 it won't launch :( [17:12] @zubozrout, what happens if you run `ubuntu-app-launch transport.zubozrout_Transport_1.1` in the terminal app? [17:13] @dohbee, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ubuntu-app-launch transport.zubozrout_Transport_1.1 … (process:10070): WARNING : Unable to start app 'transport.zubozrout_Transport_1.1': Invalid app ID: transport.zubozrout_Transport_1.1 [17:14] ok, and `ubuntu-app-launch-appids | grep transport` ? [17:15] i think what it's complaining about isn't that the app ID is itself invalid, but that it doesn't exist (ie, ubuntu-app-launch does not know about your app) [17:15] lol, that's strange ... it is not being listed among the ids, you are right. But why may that be? [17:17] does `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted ` give any errors? [17:18] (Photo, 734x207) https://irc.ubports.com/Ch267Vaf.png non that I can see ... [17:18] It is also strange that if I install an older version of this app it works (a different branch) [17:18] [Edit] It is also strange that if I install an older version of this app, built ofr xenial, it works (a different branch) [17:18] [Edit] It is also strange that if I install an older version of this app, built for xenial, it works (a different branch) [17:19] (Photo, 734x207) https://irc.ubports.com/zS0cpg5V.png none that I can see ... [17:20] but the output of pkcon install-local is the same for that branch [17:20] and the icon for the app shows up in the apps scope? [17:21] nope :(, missing as well as from the list of ids [17:21] there is a problem in your manifest then i guess [17:21] is it somewehre visible? [17:23] this is the devel branch I am trying to build - but haven't touched it on github yet so there are missing framwork and apparmor changes for xenial https://github.com/zubozrout/Transport/tree/devel [17:26] well, the `_Name=` in your .desktop should just be `Name=` [17:26] but i don't see anything else obviously wrong [17:29] is there any complaing in `~/.cache/upstart/unity-scopes.log` when you refresh the apps scope? [17:31] nope, not even having that file there [17:31] I've tried updating the desktop file but that wasn't it unfortunately :( [17:32] and nohting in unity8.log? [17:35] yeah, I can see nothing relevant there either :( [17:35] is there a .desktop file for your app in `~/.local/share/applications/` ? [17:36] hmm, no, it is not [17:38] hmm, seems the click hook failed, but for some reason didn't cause an error, very weird :-/ [17:40] BTW @zubozrout you might want to join https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN (this whole conversation probably would have been better to have had in there, but alas) [17:40] ok :) [18:41] anyone else notice something's weird with scrolling in xenial? [18:41] Yeah, mee to. Not so smooth, right? :) [18:41] It just doesn't feel right to me [18:42] yeah....and kinda like it doesn't have the....can't think of the proper term...kinetic energy? LOL [18:42] yes, it certainly feels different to vivid/android [18:42] perhaps an issue with Qt [18:43] Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: baaaah why did the Qt upgrade cause us to lose scrolling momentum [18:44] i guess because that :P [18:44] oh yeah that! momentum! 😝 [18:45] Hey guys, is there any UT-capable device that supports active stylus input? [18:50] No [18:52] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/un7iawXB.webp [18:52] There will be, some day. [18:52] @Javacookies, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/615 [18:54] another question, would it be a valid bug if file an issue about installing via apt in xenial? … I tried installing qtcreator and i got unmet dependencies error [18:54] @advocatux, cool thanks! [18:55] 👍 [19:02] @Javacookies I think ot could be but only if you were doing this via libertine. Which reminds me, I've tried libertine but the scope doesn't show any apps :(. Probably just needs recompiling with Xenial. Is anyone here able to do that? Or do you know how to launch libertine x apps from terminal in the meantime? [19:02] [Edit] @Javacookies I think it could be but only if you were doing this via libertine. Which reminds me, I've tried libertine but the scope doesn't show any apps :(. Probably just needs recompiling with Xenial. Is anyone here able to do that? Or do you know how to launch libertine x apps from terminal in the meantime? [19:12] @zubozrout, `ubuntu-app-launch ` to launch and `ubuntu-app-launch-appids` to list installed apps [19:13] i think there might some issues on some devices still though [19:14] Thanks :), I'll try that - I wasn't aware libertine apps also have their app ids :) [19:23] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/NT173zbU.mp4 [19:23] man i love that gif [19:35] Sound during call is very low on nexus 5. I didnt have this problem on sailfish. Is it possible to have more than 100% volume? [19:40] @dohbee Yeah, it (firefox) crashes for me - with this log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y5vZSxWfK4/ [19:41] oh, that's from unity8.log i take it? [19:42] yup, tat's right [19:43] there should be a log specifically for firefox under ~/.cache/upstart/ too (much longer file name, forget exact structure) [19:43] @dotevo, Try with uvolman [19:43] The app from the open store [19:44] not much in it, just this: … proot info: pid 28118: terminated with signal 11 … proot info: pid 28239: terminated with signal 11 … proot info: pid 28338: terminated with signal 11 … proot info: pid 28451: terminated with signal 11 … The same goes for other x apps I've tried [19:44] yeah, it's crashing. [19:44] your container is a 15.04 container? or 16.04? [19:45] 16.04 - I am no Meizu MX4 so no LXC as far as I know :( [19:46] well, it's a chroot container [19:46] i don't think lxc is used on any devices [19:47] Yes, it is. Oh, I thought that it is optional on the supported ones and that LXC itself is mandatory for Anbox to work. [19:48] though I know Anbox !== libertine. It was just me wondering what's the wider support for LXC. [19:49] [Edit] though I know Anbox != libertine. It was just me wondering what's the wider support for LXC. [19:53] hmm, well i mean lxc is used on all devices for the android container [19:53] i don't think anbox needs anything extra in that regards, just some changes to the bindeer bits [19:53] anyway, unrelated to libertine [19:55] Aha, good to hear that :). … Regarding the libertine, I am not sure how things are on Xenial but back on Vivid I couldn't contain libertine container with 16.04 on my device, only 15.04, and if I was able to use LXC it could have been 16.04 according to what the tool told me. So I think that chroot containers are pretty much depen [19:55] dant on the system they are running on. [19:55] That is - not in theory, I doubt I couldn't run a completely different distro on my pc, but with libertine this was a bit less easy. [19:56] @dotevo, There was a thing about a hardware fault and fitting a piece of paper over a component [19:56] i'm not sure it has to do with proot versus lxc (which, let's be honest, is just a special kind of chroot), but more due to external issues that existed at the time [19:57] [Edit] Aha, good to hear that :). … Regarding the libertine, I am not sure how things are on Xenial but back on Vivid I couldn't create libertine container with 16.04 on my device, only 15.04, and if I was able to use LXC it could have been 16.04 according to what the tool told me. So I think that chroot containers are pretty much [19:57] dependant on the system they are running on. [19:58] i don't recall if it's an issue in the kernels, or sometehing that was in vivid, or what, but libertine code has a special case to prevent creating a chroot that's not same version as host because of whatever issue existed at the time [19:58] but i think that's also not the reason why apps are crashing when starting under libertine on 16.04 [19:59] Oh, thanks for all the info :), happy to learn that. You are right, this is most certainly unrelated to the issue I have with the libertine apps. [20:00] @Stereofont, But on the sailfishOS works fine :-/ [20:00] Do libertine apps work for you? (have you tried on xenial?) [20:02] @zubozrout, i don't know. my nexus 5 (which has xenial) doesn't have working wifi, so i can't create a container on it to test [20:04] ah, that's an issue, right. And I don't suppose you have a private GSM base station at home :) [20:05] no, and my current daily phone has a different sim size [20:08] Yeah, I was just joking :). I am not sure how expensive are cellular data at your place but here I only use it very rerely for upgrades of one pc only connected to a very limited network but other than that I wouldn't dare to run all my traffic through it :). [20:08] i have unlimited data [20:09] @dotevo, Probably not relevant but I thought I would mention it. As Maldito says, use uVolman app [20:09] so it doesn't cost extra, but if i use less than 2GB/mo, i save $10 on my bill [20:10] @Stereofont I've installed it. I will try how the volume looks like now [20:14] Well, I don't think there is anything like that in CZ. Now that I've searched for it there is a new article up where Vodafone says it won't be selling unlimited data yet as users would use it instead of wi-fi and would overload the newrotk. But what would most likely happen is that less people would use sms and voice-calls and the [20:14] y never want that :). [20:14] [Edit] Well, I don't think there is anything like that in CZ. Now that I've searched for it there is a new article up where Vodafone says it won't be selling unlimited data yet as users would use it instead of wi-fi and would overload the network. But what would most likely happen is that less people would use sms and voice-calls [20:14] and they never want that :). [20:29] @dohbee, this 😂 [20:48] Hello … Is there any documentation about how "community ports" of a devices work? … Can they be integrated in the ubports build server and installer or do they have to provide their own build infrastructure and way of distribution? [20:49] https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/community/walid/devel/titan/ [21:13] @ZeroPointEnergy42, Sorry. I think you asked this question before and didn't get a response. We have only one such project so far - Moto G2 'Titan' [21:14] @ZeroPointEnergy42, They are maintained by the person who ported them but the build is hosted on UBports servers [21:16] @ZeroPointEnergy42, I think there is also an assumption that UBports will assist with security updates for community ports [21:31] I just ask because it isn't really clear to me how to go about this. The device I ported isn't really working all that great anyway. no sound, no camera, no gps, some basic stuff works, so I'm not looking for a way to support end users, more for the whole build automation so I can focus on actually fixing the problems and [21:31] if people want to help they can download the built image and test it [21:35] Also I'm not really sure how the whole build process of the root fs works. So far I only fixed stuff on the halium side of things. How do you guys develop changes for the root fs? [21:36] @ZeroPointEnergy42, There is a group for that 😎 [21:37] Well I don't know about that one [21:37] @UniversalSuperBox, Your porting group? [21:38] @ZeroPointEnergy42, That's all done with the magic of ci.ubports.com. But if you create a PR to any package in the `repo.ubports.com xenial` repository, it'll be built and provided for you [21:38]