 Hi guys. … I'm having problems with telegram app since a couple of weeks. … After a crash of the app I have to login the phone number in to the app. A weird thing is that even if i don't do it I'm still recieving notifications from push server. … To solve this I tried to: … -close al sesions of my phone number in telegram. … -Uninsta
[09:14] <ubptgbot> ll and clear all files from telegram with ut tweaktool … -reboot phone. … Any ideas? … I can put it on github but I thought that maybe answer first would be better. I also have some logs if needed to track it.
 @j2g2rp, Different symptoms, but slightly more brutal solution than you tried that might work: https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/issues/169#issuecomment-386788316
 @alan_griffiths, Ok. I'll try it. … thank you Alan.
[09:28] <ubptgbot> YoYoTischler was added by: YoYoTischler
 Welcome @YoYoTischler !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[09:34] <ubptgbot> steba74 was added by: steba74
 Welcome @steba74 !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 has anyone got the wireless display work connecting to windows 10?
 I just want to say that 16.04 on the Pro 5 is a really pleasant experience! It boots in around 15-16 seconds and the phone is really fast and smooth. Unfortunately there are a few things that keep me from using it as a daily driver: … 1) Browser issues (waiting for the Qt Web Engine version to fix many of the issues) … 2) Dekko
[12:58] <ubptgbot> being upgraded to xenial … 3) A working Telegram client (I guess 1) above would fix Web Telegram) … In addition to the above, I would like to have GPS working (still getting GPE denied). Other than that, I am good to go. Seems we are getting really close now 🙂!
 @TomasOqvist, Telegram is already available for 16.04
 Oh it is? Haven't checked the OpenStore since the day before yesterday.
 maybe your openstore cannot detect it still, as there is now support for 15.04 and 16.04
 this should be disucssed with the Openstore team
 But the App is in the store 😆
 (Photo, 548x276) https://irc.ubports.com/Y7QMWYqC.png
 I have it installed already (v 2.5.3.2) and it doesn't work. I thought there was an updated version there, but no.
 You can see the version number did not change, its just 2x in the store
 the openstore should detect which one to install
 I have only one version in the OpenStore.
 yeah sure, you will see only one
 What I am saying is, behind the scenes there are 2, and openstore should select the right one
 But I cant do aynthing about this, please report this to openstore team, ask if it should work already or not
 I dont know when this went live or should go livd
 [Edit] I dont know when this went live or should go live
 I'll try to install the click (xenial) I found on the OpenStore web site.
 Hm, I get an error when trying to install the click package with UT Tweak Tool "The transaction failed, see the detailed error for more information."
 pkcon install-local fails too: "Could not parse click manifest."
[13:16] <ZeroPointEnergy> Is there any documentation about how "community ports" of a devices work. Can they be integrated in the ubports build server and installer or do they have to provide their own build infrastructure and way of distribution?
 Apparently it installed despite the error message and I have now managed to sign in!
 cool
 What about the Qt Web Engine browser that Marius talked about, is it available to download somewhere?
 @Flohack, Errors are not cool, but I am glad that it worked 🙂
 [Edit] What about the Qt Web Engine browser that @mariogrip talked about, is it available to download somewhere?
 @TomasOqvist, Not now, but soonish ;)
 @Flohack, That's cool!
 @Stereofont, I'm interested❗️
 @mymike00, https://t.me/UBports_pi
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/q3qJri8e.webp
 @TomasOqvist, Same happened with me
 If you aren't subscribed to the Official UBports News Channel, you are probably missing something cool right now.  It's just one click to subscribe so... do it! … https://t.me/ubports_news
 hmmm phone based on rpi using ubports as os
 I'd buy it
 Mainlined FP2
 11/10 would buy
 RPi-based would also be cool, but I have 2 concerns
 performance and form factor
 well it doesn't have to be a portable phone, depending on what you wish to use it for
 yeah
 Carphone!
 But ultimately the Pi is a development board. You can take all of its hardware and put it in a different form factor if you want
 +1
 yeah
 I need a goddamn qwerty slider
 They have a Pi in a DDR3 SODIMM form factor, too. That'd fit in a chunky phone like the Fairphone if you were a good enough engineer
 (I suspect, not being an engineer)
 had broken N900 in my hands for a while and I miss that SOOO MUUUUCH
 @UniversalSuperBox, well, you could just design your own PCB really
 the keyboard part I mean
 Or that
 and have some company in china print them, and solder all the components, and whatnot
 I don't know what the motherboard for that sodimm forfactor has, perhaps we could handwire that sodimm one? :v
 You break it out yourself
 https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-3/
 yeah, the sodimm version you basically design your own board with your stuff, with a sodimm socket the pi plugs into
 And the breakout board that they ship, you're supposed to design your own: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-io-board-v3/
 at which pont you're probably better off just doing the whole pcb yourself and using a sodimm socket for RAM instead of a Pi :P
 Or the cheaper module without eMMC: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module-3-lite/
 I wish there was a way
 They only have 1GB RAM, though.
 to do some small sockets so nand and ram could be socketed
 but it's not possible AFAIK
 especially that RAM is stacked on top of SoC
 Not on the Pi. It's got separate RAM chips. If you were designing a board based on it, it'd have you covered.
 I mean, Qcom chips are more performant
 than RPi's broadcomms
 AFAIK
 Sure, but we need to make a compromise somewhere
 yeah, is Pi mainlined anyway?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Aren't you an engineer?
 @technicalbird, did he ever say "Trust me, I'm an engineer"?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/U4gYFSo2.mp4
 But no, I don't have the credentials to be called an engineer. Especially not an electrical engineer.
 Dont worry.. most of the great engineers never had any degree!! Engineering is not about specific syllabus!!
 accortding to the law, it is
[15:59] <ubptgbot> <wrench wrench> @technicalbird, ✌🏽
[17:05] <ubptgbot> zubozrout was added by: zubozrout
 UBAM, don't shoot! I recognize that username!
 :P
 Welcome @zubozrout :)
 Hello, thanks and happy to be here again :)).
 In any case I've joined as I wonder if anyone here have any idea about how app IDs are constructed? … As I am getting this error when trying to launch my xenial compiled app: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1268/unable-to-start-app-because-of-invalid-app-id-xenial
 hmm, did you change anything related to the app name?
 @dohbee you mean in between 15.04 and 16.04 builds? No ... if I build it for 15.04 it launches correctly on my phone and if I try to do the same for 16.04 it won't launch :(
 @zubozrout, what happens if you run `ubuntu-app-launch transport.zubozrout_Transport_1.1` in the terminal app?
 @dohbee, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ubuntu-app-launch transport.zubozrout_Transport_1.1 …  (process:10070): WARNING : Unable to start app 'transport.zubozrout_Transport_1.1': Invalid app ID: transport.zubozrout_Transport_1.1
 ok, and `ubuntu-app-launch-appids | grep transport` ?
 i think what it's complaining about isn't that the app ID is itself invalid, but that it doesn't exist (ie, ubuntu-app-launch does not know about your app)
 lol, that's strange ... it is not being listed among the ids, you are right. But why may that be?
 does `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted <your-click-file>` give any errors?
 (Photo, 734x207) https://irc.ubports.com/Ch267Vaf.png non that I can see ...
 It is also strange that if I install an older version of this app it works (a different branch)
 [Edit] It is also strange that if I install an older version of this app, built ofr xenial, it works (a different branch)
 [Edit] It is also strange that if I install an older version of this app, built for xenial, it works (a different branch)
 (Photo, 734x207) https://irc.ubports.com/zS0cpg5V.png none that I can see ...
 but the output of pkcon install-local is the same for that branch
 and the icon for the app shows up in the apps scope?
 nope :(, missing as well as from the list of ids
 there is a problem in your manifest then i guess
 is it somewehre visible?
 this is the devel branch I am trying to build - but haven't touched it on github yet so there are missing framwork and apparmor changes for xenial https://github.com/zubozrout/Transport/tree/devel
 well, the `_Name=` in your .desktop should just be `Name=`
 but i don't see anything else obviously wrong
 is there any complaing in `~/.cache/upstart/unity-scopes.log` when you refresh the apps scope?
 nope, not even having that file there
 I've tried updating the desktop file but that wasn't it unfortunately :(
 and nohting in unity8.log?
 yeah, I can see nothing relevant there either :(
 is there a .desktop file for your app in `~/.local/share/applications/` ?
 hmm, no, it is not
 hmm, seems the click hook failed, but for some reason didn't cause an error, very weird :-/
 BTW @zubozrout you might want to join https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN (this whole conversation probably would have been better to have had in there, but alas)
 ok :)
 anyone else notice something's weird with scrolling in xenial?
 Yeah, mee to. Not so smooth, right? :)
 It just doesn't feel right to me
 yeah....and kinda like it doesn't have the....can't think of the proper term...kinetic energy? LOL
 yes, it certainly feels different to vivid/android
 perhaps an issue with Qt
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: baaaah why did the Qt upgrade cause us to lose scrolling momentum
 i guess because that :P
 oh yeah that! momentum! 😝
 Hey guys, is there any UT-capable device that supports active stylus input?
 No
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/un7iawXB.webp
 There will be, some day.
 @Javacookies, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/615
 another question, would it be a valid bug if file an issue about installing via apt in xenial? … I tried installing qtcreator and i got unmet dependencies error
 @advocatux, cool thanks!
 👍
 @Javacookies I think ot could be but only if you were doing this via libertine. Which reminds me, I've tried libertine but the scope doesn't show any apps :(. Probably just needs recompiling with Xenial. Is anyone here able to do that? Or do you know how to launch libertine x apps from terminal in the meantime?
 [Edit] @Javacookies I think it could be but only if you were doing this via libertine. Which reminds me, I've tried libertine but the scope doesn't show any apps :(. Probably just needs recompiling with Xenial. Is anyone here able to do that? Or do you know how to launch libertine x apps from terminal in the meantime?
 @zubozrout, `ubuntu-app-launch <appid>` to launch and `ubuntu-app-launch-appids` to list installed apps
 i think there might some issues on some devices still though
 Thanks :), I'll try that - I wasn't aware libertine apps also have their app ids :)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/NT173zbU.mp4
 man i love that gif
 Sound during call is very low on nexus 5. I didnt have this problem on sailfish. Is it possible to have more than 100% volume?
 @dohbee Yeah, it (firefox) crashes for me - with this log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y5vZSxWfK4/
 oh, that's from unity8.log i take it?
 yup, tat's right
 there should be a log specifically for firefox under ~/.cache/upstart/ too (much longer file name, forget exact structure)
 @dotevo, Try with uvolman
 The app from the open store
 not much in it, just this: … proot info: pid 28118: terminated with signal 11 … proot info: pid 28239: terminated with signal 11 … proot info: pid 28338: terminated with signal 11 … proot info: pid 28451: terminated with signal 11 … The same goes for other x apps I've tried
 yeah, it's crashing.
 your container is a 15.04 container? or 16.04?
 16.04 - I am no Meizu MX4 so no LXC as far as I know :(
 well, it's a chroot container
 i don't think lxc is used on any devices
 Yes, it is. Oh, I thought that it is optional on the supported ones and that LXC itself is mandatory for Anbox to work.
 though I know Anbox !== libertine. It was just me wondering what's the wider support for LXC.
 [Edit] though I know Anbox != libertine. It was just me wondering what's the wider support for LXC.
 hmm, well i mean lxc is used on all devices for the android container
 i don't think anbox needs anything extra in that regards, just some changes to the bindeer bits
 anyway, unrelated to libertine
 Aha, good to hear that :). … Regarding the libertine, I am not sure how things are on Xenial but back on Vivid I couldn't contain libertine container with 16.04 on my device, only 15.04, and if I was able to use LXC it could have been 16.04 according to what the tool told me. So I think that chroot containers are pretty much depen
[19:55] <ubptgbot> dant on the system they are running on.
 That is - not in theory, I doubt I couldn't run a completely different distro on my pc, but with libertine this was a bit less easy.
 @dotevo, There was a thing about a hardware fault and fitting a piece of paper over a component
 i'm not sure it has to do with proot versus lxc (which, let's be honest, is just a special kind of chroot), but more due to external issues that existed at the time
 [Edit] Aha, good to hear that :). … Regarding the libertine, I am not sure how things are on Xenial but back on Vivid I couldn't create libertine container with 16.04 on my device, only 15.04, and if I was able to use LXC it could have been 16.04 according to what the tool told me. So I think that chroot containers are pretty much
[19:57] <ubptgbot>  dependant on the system they are running on.
 i don't recall if it's an issue in the kernels, or sometehing that was in vivid, or what, but libertine code has a special case to prevent creating a chroot that's not same version as host because of whatever issue existed at the time
 but i think that's also not the reason why apps are crashing when starting under libertine on 16.04
 Oh, thanks for all the info :), happy to learn that. You are right, this is most certainly unrelated to the issue I have with the libertine apps.
 @Stereofont, But on the sailfishOS works fine :-/
 Do libertine apps work for you? (have you tried on xenial?)
 @zubozrout, i don't know. my nexus 5 (which has xenial) doesn't have working wifi, so i can't create a container on it to test
 ah, that's an issue, right. And I don't suppose you have a private GSM base station at home :)
 no, and my current daily phone has a different sim size
 Yeah, I was just joking :). I am not sure how expensive are cellular data at your place but here I only use it very rerely for upgrades of one pc only connected to a very limited network but other than that I wouldn't dare to run all my traffic through it :).
 i have unlimited data
 @dotevo, Probably not relevant but I thought I would mention it. As Maldito says, use uVolman app
 so it doesn't cost extra, but if i use less than 2GB/mo, i save $10 on my bill
 @Stereofont I've installed it. I will try how the volume looks like now
 Well, I don't think there is anything like that in CZ. Now that I've searched for it there is a new article up where Vodafone says it won't be selling unlimited data yet as users would use it instead of wi-fi and would overload the newrotk. But what would most likely happen is that less people would use sms and voice-calls and the
[20:14] <ubptgbot> y never want that :).
 [Edit] Well, I don't think there is anything like that in CZ. Now that I've searched for it there is a new article up where Vodafone says it won't be selling unlimited data yet as users would use it instead of wi-fi and would overload the network. But what would most likely happen is that less people would use sms and voice-calls
[20:14] <ubptgbot> and they never want that :).
 @dohbee, this 😂
 Hello … Is there any documentation about how "community ports" of a devices work? … Can they be integrated in the ubports build server and installer or do they have to provide their own build infrastructure and way of distribution?
 https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/community/walid/devel/titan/
 @ZeroPointEnergy42, Sorry. I think you asked this question before and didn't get a response. We have only one such project so far - Moto G2 'Titan'
 @ZeroPointEnergy42, They are maintained by the person who ported them but the build is hosted on UBports servers
 @ZeroPointEnergy42, I think there is also an assumption that UBports will assist with security updates for community ports
 I just ask because it isn't really clear to me how to go about this. The device I ported isn't really working all that great anyway. no sound, no camera, no gps, some basic stuff works, so I'm not looking for a way to support end users, more for the whole build automation so I can focus on actually fixing the problems and
[21:31] <ubptgbot> if people want to help they can download the built image and test it
 Also I'm not really sure how the whole build process of the root fs works. So far I only fixed stuff on the halium side of things. How do you guys develop changes for the root fs?
 @ZeroPointEnergy42, There is a group for that 😎
 Well I don't know about that one
 @UniversalSuperBox, Your porting group?
 @ZeroPointEnergy42, That's all done with the magic of ci.ubports.com. But if you create a PR to any package in the `repo.ubports.com xenial` repository, it'll be built and provided for you
 So you can `sudo mount / -o remount,rw` to get read-write access and install the package
 Is there a script somewhere that assembles the rootfs which I may inspect? 😊
 What is that porting group?
 Yes, it's the other half of `rootstock`
 @ZeroPointEnergy42, @ubports_porting or #ubports-porting
 Whichever you prefer
 @ZeroPointEnergy42, https://github.com/ubports/rootstock-ng/tree/xenial … rootstock-touch creates the rootfs itself
 And rootstock-touch-install makes people want to throw their phone out the window
 Thank you very much 😊
 I mean, installs it
 😊
 Yeah, I currently have my own way of how to install the rootfs. It's in an ostree and I should probably some day document that
 so I can easily update it with an "ostree pull"
 How do you set up a remote?
 And what kernel features were required?
 none
 That builds the repo … https://github.com/ZeroPointEnergy/halium-ostree-repo
 And that makes ostree available in initrd https://github.com/ZeroPointEnergy/initramfs-tools-halium/tree/ostree
 Will have to document it, not really useful to anyone else at the moment
 Currently you have to go to initrd telnet to pull as there is somehow an issue with loading the ostree binary from a booted ubuntu, but if I can add that package to the rootfs that would go away
 Super easy update process with rollbacks 😊
 And different branches for multiboot between stable and devel or even different halium os
 oh man!! This is Awesome! @ZeroPointEnergy42