| kenvandine | Trevinho, i would think you would override-prime | 02:43 |
|---|---|---|
| kenvandine | then manually prime it and add the magic after prime | 02:43 |
| kenvandine | assuming override-prime exists :) | 02:43 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:31 |
| mirrorinthewall[ | mornin! | 06:33 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks, mirrorinthewall[ | 06:34 |
| didrocks | hey mirrorinthewall[, duflu | 06:37 |
| mirrorinthewall[ | something random I was thinking, in ubuntu software center would it be a useful/easy feature to add for people to be able to right click > "add to favorites"? If so where would I submit this | 06:42 |
| didrocks | mirrorinthewall[: I think this is an upstream request for gnome software: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/issues | 06:45 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers, happy Wednesday! | 06:57 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 07:01 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 07:04 |
| duflu | sil2100, morning! Does Poland have a single timezone? | 07:13 |
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| didrocks | salut oSoMoN :) | 07:16 |
| didrocks | duflu: IIRC, it's the same than german/french one | 07:16 |
| duflu | Yeah, just checking. | 07:16 |
| didrocks | (and italy/spain ofc, for not forgetting anyone around ;)) | 07:17 |
| duflu | Only the UK is different... for a change | 07:17 |
| didrocks | yes! ;) | 07:18 |
| sil2100 | duflu: morning! Yes ;) | 07:19 |
| duflu | So koza not being around right now indicates he may not be around all day | 07:19 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 07:25 |
| jibel | screen blanking goes off after 10s but it's set to 15min. Any idea how to fix that without logging off? | 07:27 |
| didrocks | I guess changing the timeout doesn't reset it, correct? | 07:28 |
| jibel | no | 07:28 |
| didrocks | I think L_aney is the one knowing more about those loginctl commands to know what owns the lock and reset… | 07:29 |
| c-lobrano | morning all 0/ | 07:38 |
| didrocks | hey c-lobrano | 07:38 |
| c-lobrano | hi didrocks :) how are you? | 07:39 |
| didrocks | I'm good, thanks! Yourself? | 07:42 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:45 |
| duflu | Morning jibel, c-lobrano, seb128 | 07:46 |
| duflu | seb128, are we meeting today? koza is not around | 07:46 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 07:46 |
| c-lobrano | didrocks: I'm fine, thanks. Keep replying on transparency effects :D | 07:47 |
| didrocks | c-lobrano: I see, I see ;) | 07:47 |
| seb128 | hey duflu, I would vote for skipping unless there is something you want to discuss | 07:49 |
| seb128 | re didrocks | 07:49 |
| seb128 | hey c-lobrano | 07:49 |
| c-lobrano | seb128: 0/ | 07:49 |
| duflu | seb128, nothing... I am waiting to finish work on bionic regressions at least before switching to cosmic, which in turn is blocking more bluez work | 07:49 |
| seb128 | duflu, k, let's skip then | 07:50 |
| willcooke | morning | 07:52 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 07:53 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke. No meeting it seems. | 07:54 |
| willcooke | duflu, looks that way. I "saw" koza last Thursday and he said he's mega busy with a customer project | 07:55 |
| willcooke | so I guess he's bunkered down | 07:55 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke, since koza is not there and neither duflu or I had topics to discuss we just decided to skip, ok with you? or was there anything you wanted to discuss for bluetooth? | 07:56 |
| willcooke | nothing pressing | 07:56 |
| willcooke | fine by me | 07:56 |
| seb128 | what are the non pressing things? ;) | 07:57 |
| willcooke | Talk about getting the BlueZ snap building from the same LP project/code as the deb | 07:57 |
| willcooke | trying to drop/upstream any patches we carry | 07:57 |
| willcooke | and get a single build which can be used as a deb or a snap for all devices (Iot & Desktop) | 07:58 |
| willcooke | -/- | 07:58 |
| willcooke | Why don't Apple earpods (??) mic work | 07:58 |
| willcooke | *doesn't | 07:58 |
| willcooke | -/- | 07:58 |
| willcooke | EOF | 07:58 |
| GunnarHj | Morning seb128, do you have a gut feeling idea offhand what bug #1772238 might be about? | 08:00 |
| ubot5 | bug 1772238 in Ubuntu Budgie ".desktop file strings shown untranslated in Budgie" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1772238 | 08:00 |
| Laney | yo | 08:02 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I see, who is building the snap today is that koza and do you know what source they are using? | 08:07 |
| seb128 | willcooke, for the earpods I guess it's a matter of somebody getting some and debugging | 08:07 |
| seb128 | hey GunnarHj Laney, how are you? | 08:07 |
| ricotz | chrisccoulson, hi, and another try, please push your packaging branches! | 08:07 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 08:08 |
| willcooke | seb128, yeah koza. I'm pretty sure he's already using the same source as the deb, but wanted to be sure. | 08:08 |
| seb128 | k, so yeah, we need him to be around to discuss that one | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hey ricotz | 08:09 |
| seb128 | ricotz, what are those packaging branches you keep mentioning about? | 08:09 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi | 08:09 |
| ricotz | firefox and thunderbird | 08:09 |
| seb128 | there are changes uploaded that he forgot to push to the vcs? | 08:10 |
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| ricotz | yes, that is why I am trying to make him push them | 08:10 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, that bug description is not very useful, it doesn't even mention the locale used | 08:11 |
| seb128 | ricotz, just get the debdiff from launchpad and commit it? ;) | 08:11 |
| ricotz | seb128, I am close to doing that, but I am hoping for that his commits are structured for easier cherry-picking | 08:12 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Tested with German and Swedish, so it seems to be a general, not locale dependent issue. (The strings are translated.) | 08:12 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, can you give the output of "locale" and "env"? | 08:13 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, also is that only gnome-control-center or the desktop files from other applications as well (in the menu/dash or whatever they have that lists those) | 08:14 |
| duflu | willcooke, did you/someone try using the earpods in HFP/HSP mode? IIRC the default A2DP mode does not (by design) support simultaneous output and input | 08:14 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Will check that out and get back. | 08:15 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, I'm downloading an iso, let's see | 08:15 |
| duflu | ... it's a common problem with headsets | 08:15 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 08:15 |
| Laney | I'm doing good, what about you? | 08:15 |
| duflu | Morning Laney | 08:15 |
| Laney | hi duflu | 08:16 |
| Laney | how's it going? | 08:16 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks, though I've a start of cold I think | 08:16 |
| duflu | Laney, going well. You? | 08:16 |
| Laney | spiffing | 08:19 |
| Laney | seb128: not another one :< | 08:19 |
| seb128 | that's kids for you it seems :/ | 08:19 |
| didrocks | hey hey Laney | 08:20 |
| duflu | jolly good | 08:20 |
| duflu | I say | 08:20 |
| willcooke | duflu, I dont have any, but will pass that on and find out | 08:21 |
| duflu | willcooke, there was a bug with links to the BT spec pointing out the limitation. Can't find it today :/ | 08:21 |
| duflu | Apple tends to invent its own specs to work around such things | 08:21 |
| willcooke | :)( | 08:22 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Added another comment to the bug report. | 09:00 |
| Trevinho | morning | 09:19 |
| Laney | hey Trevinho | 09:20 |
| Laney | you good? | 09:20 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho, how are you? | 09:20 |
| duflu | Hi Trevinho | 09:20 |
| Trevinho | hi duflu, seb128 and Laney | 09:21 |
| Trevinho | yes all good | 09:21 |
| Trevinho | you guys? | 09:21 |
| Laney | cloudy today | 09:21 |
| Laney | it's because you are leaving | 09:21 |
| didrocks | hey Trevinho | 09:21 |
| seb128 | it's grey/rainy here as well this morning | 09:22 |
| Trevinho | hi didrocks | 09:22 |
| Trevinho | eh, London is also getting gray... As it feels I'm leaving | 09:23 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, I saw, I downloaded the iso and I'm going to poke directly in a bit | 09:23 |
| Trevinho | :-D | 09:23 |
| duflu | Leaving.... London. ? | 09:24 |
| Laney | an eminently sensible decision | 09:25 |
| duflu | You leave us? Well I'll leave you first | 09:25 |
| duflu | But also return periodically | 09:26 |
| willcooke | night duflu | 09:26 |
| duflu | willcooke, no, I was speaking as the EU | 09:26 |
| willcooke | ah | 09:27 |
| duflu | Actually, speaking as Trevinho. | 09:28 |
| duflu | Enough confusion | 09:28 |
| Trevinho | duflu: ah, no, no... it was "london feels that I'm leaving, thus it cries" :-P | 09:29 |
| Nafallo | right. I'm confused. coffee time. (thanks duflu ;-)) | 09:32 |
| Nafallo | there we go. morning :-) | 09:43 |
| duflu | OK then. Night willcooke :) | 10:03 |
| duflu | And all | 10:03 |
| andyrock | hey all | 12:22 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock, how are you? | 12:42 |
| oSoMoN | hey andyrock | 12:44 |
| andyrock | seb128: all good you? | 12:52 |
| seb128 | andyrock, I'm good thanks | 12:53 |
| GunnarHj | fossfreedom: Since you are going to fix with budgie-desktop-environment, how about adding an override of | 13:01 |
| GunnarHj | where "NotShowIn=GNOME;Unity;" is dropped? That would make IBus Preferences show up in the menu, which would be a step in addressing (or working around) bug #1755831. | 13:01 |
| ubot5 | bug 1755831 in Ubuntu Budgie "ibus not working properly" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755831 | 13:01 |
| GunnarHj | fossfreedom: Hmm.. I was talking about /usr/share/applications/ibus-setup.desktop | 13:03 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, looks like fossfreedom figured out the issue, I was thinking about that on the way back from lunchand that was my guess that they probably had a buggy override :) | 13:05 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Right, I saw his entries in the bug report. Great! Hence my ping about another Budgie issue (about using IBus). | 13:06 |
| didrocks | Laney: do you know if we can condition user system service unit based on a file in user's $HOME? I didn't find examples of ConditionPathExists in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ | 13:13 |
| didrocks | I guess I can be ConditionPathExists="%h/foo/bar" | 13:14 |
| didrocks | just wondering if you have experience | 13:14 |
| didrocks | also: systemctl status xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service | 13:15 |
| didrocks | Unit xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service could not be found. | 13:15 |
| didrocks | where the service is in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ | 13:15 |
| didrocks | unsure how this whole systemd user session is working | 13:16 |
| didrocks | ah, you have to add --user | 13:16 |
| xnox | didrocks, https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html#Specifiers %h | 13:17 |
| xnox | %h User home directory | 13:17 |
| didrocks | xnox: yeah, that's what I found and asked for ConditionPathExists="%h/foo/bar" | 13:17 |
| didrocks | if you confirm it works that way, great! :) thanks | 13:17 |
| xnox | didrocks, it should, no idea why you have "" around it. | 13:17 |
| xnox | didrocks, i believe you must not use "" | 13:18 |
| didrocks | strings, we did some protection in the path for spaces | 13:18 |
| didrocks | but in that case, it doesn't really matter | 13:18 |
| xnox | didrocks, it must be systemd-escaped | 13:18 |
| didrocks | oh right, that… | 13:18 |
| xnox | $ systemd-escape -p '/somepath with space' | 13:19 |
| xnox | somepath\x20with\x20space | 13:19 |
| didrocks | great ;) | 13:20 |
| didrocks | thx | 13:20 |
| didrocks | xnox: when I look at /usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.socket, I see that there is a WantedBy=sockets.target | 13:22 |
| xnox | yes | 13:22 |
| didrocks | I was expecting to see somewhere on the file system sockets.target.wantedby + a symlink to the socket | 13:22 |
| didrocks | as for system systemd unit | 13:22 |
| xnox | you'd think so wouldn't you =) | 13:22 |
| xnox | magic | 13:22 |
| xnox | all user units are auto-enabled for all users by default | 13:22 |
| didrocks | I see /var/lib/gdm3/.config/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pulseaudio.socket | 13:22 |
| didrocks | ahhh | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | its an audio socket, probably it doesnt work by looking bt by listening instead :P | 13:23 |
| didrocks | ok, so all user units are auto enabled… Interesting, that system vs user have a different policy | 13:23 |
| xnox | that is semi-true about auto-enabling things. One needs not to run --enable most of the time, for most of the user units. | 13:23 |
| didrocks | xnox: I think you remember my long thread on distro policy and how to cope with those ;) | 13:23 |
| didrocks | ah | 13:23 |
| xnox | didrocks, yeah, there are weird rules as to what is auto-enabled, and what is not =) | 13:24 |
| didrocks | hum, I guess I should just try then? | 13:24 |
| xnox | yeah | 13:24 |
| didrocks | "nice" :p | 13:24 |
| * didrocks has a sense of dejà vu, twice in a less than an hour | 13:24 | |
| didrocks | ok, I'll give it a try and see ;) | 13:24 |
| didrocks | (thanks again) | 13:25 |
| jbicha | willcooke: ping | 13:32 |
| jbicha | I am in "asking to join" status for the hangout | 13:33 |
| willcooke | jbicha, huh, I moved it to tomorrow, you should have got a new invite | 13:35 |
| willcooke | sec | 13:35 |
| jbicha | oh, I didn't read carefully enough and didn't click "add to my calendar" | 13:36 |
| willcooke | :) | 13:36 |
| willcooke | jbicha, I've invited your other google acc to the new meeting so that it will resend the invite | 13:36 |
| willcooke | sorry for the confusion jbicha | 13:36 |
| jbicha | ok, thanks :) | 13:37 |
| jbicha | my big point is that if we follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure | 13:38 |
| jbicha | once a bug is fixed in cosmic, we have to target it to bionic, we can't use the rls-bb-incoming tag since that isn't useful for Fix Released bugs | 13:38 |
| jbicha | but we can assign people to bugs | 13:39 |
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| didrocks | xnox: so, WantedBy=default.target for user session doesn't start the unit on startup, we can't like for system units running enable at package install time ofc, any idea what's the standard way? | 14:08 |
| didrocks | I think that's where Laney knows ;) | 14:09 |
| Laney | what do you mean? | 14:09 |
| didrocks | I'm going to try shipping /usr/lib/systemd/user/default.target.wants/ symlink | 14:09 |
| Laney | Add the symlink | 14:09 |
| Laney | there's no dh_systemd stuff for user units | 14:09 |
| didrocks | Laney: it seems xnox was telling that systemd was treating user units as enabled by default | 14:10 |
| Laney | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890509 | 14:10 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 890509 in debhelper,init-system-helpers "dh_installsystemd/init-system-helpers: support user units" [Wishlist,Open] | 14:10 |
| Laney | I don't know about this rule | 14:10 |
| didrocks | ok, I'll just ship the symlink manually then! | 14:11 |
| didrocks | thanks Laney | 14:12 |
| Laney | ++ | 14:13 |
| didrocks | Laney: seb128: FYI, if you logout quickly after login in, this is what keeps the session active for a little while (I would say ~30s): http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/whsYY9tbPK/ | 14:20 |
| xnox | didrocks, i don't think default.target is the one you want. | 14:21 |
| xnox | didrocks, what is this unit for? should it run on graphical desktop start / login; or on console/ssh logins too? | 14:21 |
| didrocks | xnox: both are fine | 14:22 |
| didrocks | it's sending a previously collected report | 14:23 |
| xnox | didrocks, on every login?! | 14:24 |
| didrocks | xnox: there is a conditional path | 14:24 |
| xnox | so man 7 systemd.special gives example of a nautilus.service which BindsTo=graphical-session.target | 14:24 |
| xnox | but there was something else about it. | 14:24 |
| didrocks | well, I don't care about a graphical-session, as said | 14:25 |
| xnox | looking at /usr/lib/systemd/user on my machine, i see things shipping symlinks in .wants and .requires directories, by hand | 14:26 |
| didrocks | yes, see the discussion we had with L_aney ^ | 14:26 |
| didrocks | there is no special magic for user session, it's the same rule, at least :) | 14:26 |
| xnox | there was magic.... | 14:27 |
| * xnox is still looking | 14:27 | |
| didrocks | are you sure you didn't get tricked by dbus activation? | 14:27 |
| xnox | didrocks, what are the files called that launch a session? | 14:28 |
| didrocks | wdym? | 14:28 |
| didrocks | /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop? | 14:28 |
| Laney | why are we talking about magic? | 14:28 |
| xnox | possibly | 14:28 |
| didrocks | yeah, I don't know, I guess we solved the issue, and there is no magic ;) | 14:29 |
| xnox | right, that looks broken. | 14:29 |
| xnox | or at least changed.... alot..... | 14:29 |
| Laney | didrocks: you know about path units? | 14:29 |
| Laney | depending on what you're doing you might want one of those | 14:29 |
| xnox | it used to be the case that xsessions/*.desktop file would start systemd user target for graphical session and that would start all the things. | 14:30 |
| Laney | right, that is not the case with Shell at the minute. | 14:30 |
| xnox | but looks like not to be the case anymore =/ | 14:30 |
| xnox | and there was like a shell script to interate and enable units too | 14:31 |
| Laney | but Didier has said a few times that he doesn't want this anyway so I'm not sure what the problem is | 14:31 |
| Laney | (don't think there was ever a script like that) | 14:33 |
| Laney | I feel close to having a gdm started by systemd units | 14:34 |
| didrocks | Laney: yeah, I know about path units, I don't think it's a good approach for that case as we want next login to start resending a pending report, not as soon as we create the file | 14:34 |
| * Laney is trying to come up with a good unit structure | 14:35 | |
| didrocks | (as we create the file if we can't send it immediately due to network) | 14:35 |
| didrocks | nice! | 14:35 |
| Laney | alright, that's up to you | 14:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, I already noticed "pending session closing" due pulseaudio&co, that seems worth fixing one day | 14:36 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I assigned you bug #1768610, interesting packaging bug :) | 14:51 |
| ubot5 | bug 1768610 in nux (Ubuntu) "leftover conffile forces GNOME is software rendering" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1768610 | 14:51 |
| seb128 | nux-tools has a Xsession.d script that does " /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test || export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1", when the deb is removed but not purged that leads to software rendering being forced | 14:52 |
| xnox | *sigh* | 14:52 |
| seb128 | conffiles suck sometime :/ | 14:52 |
| seb128 | unsure what's the right fix there though | 14:52 |
| xnox | seb128, we had something similar before with like X11 snippets from upstart. Basically pick any package to force purge the connfile... E.g. gnome-shell should force purge it. | 14:52 |
| seb128 | we should change the script to not export the env if the cmd is missing | 14:53 |
| xnox | seb128, there is no way in apt/dpkg to declare ConflictsPurged: | 14:53 |
| seb128 | but maybe we need to clean out the conffile also | 14:53 |
| xnox | problem is one can remove the package, and the conffile is left on disk :-( | 14:53 |
| seb128 | right | 14:53 |
| seb128 | fixing the script in xenial and bionic would reduce the number of users hitting the issue | 14:53 |
| seb128 | but not fix those who already removed the package | 14:54 |
| Trevinho | seb128: ouch... And that wasn't either needed anymore. I never liked such thing though | 15:03 |
| Trevinho | An Ubuntu desktop trigger is too much? | 15:04 |
| Trevinho | Hi | 15:04 |
| Trevinho | focus didn't switch... 🤔 | 15:05 |
| seb128 | trigger what? | 15:13 |
| Trevinho | seb128: check if that file is there, and if the package has been purged... | 15:16 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I don't think many users hit it since I don't think we remove unity on upgrades atm | 16:05 |
| seb128 | but we should fix that because at some point users are probably going to clean that out | 16:06 |
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| willcooke | night all | 17:19 |
| GunnarHj | Hi jbicha, I have prepared the SRU of pkgbinarymangler. Can you sponsor? | 17:37 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: I thought we were going to keep it in cosmic first a bit longer? | 17:59 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Well, the SRU procedure takes it time.. But you are in the middle of it, and know better than me what's a reasonable trade-off, so whenever you feel it's appropriate. | 18:34 |
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