[00:13] Sf82Tb77 [00:13] Sf82Tb77 [00:14] well that's fun [00:17] OIii [00:17] esse chat é br? [00:20] what package should i install so libreoffice has m language spellcheck [00:21] m? [00:22] the package names [00:22] im using libreoffice in english but dont know what package to install to get other languages spellcheck and support [00:23] mattfly: apt-cache search libreoffice | grep language [00:24] well installed that but spellcheck does not work yet [00:24] i think might be something on libreoffice then [00:24] thanks [00:37] can't get gui apps to see usb devices. currently neither scanner nor ftdi usb to serial converter work. they worked previously, not sure what changed / happened. both show in lsusb, sane-find-scanner shows the scanner (and the other usb devices), but I can't use simple scan. [00:38] i need the usb to serial converter to work. close to having to switch back to windows to get my stuff done. [00:39] I've installed dnsmasq setting its name to "myname.mytld", I've also manually set /etc/hostname to "myname", now sudo is complaining all the time because it's unable to resolve host, is it because hostname should be "myname.mytld" instead of "myname"? [00:40] sudo is complaining ? [00:42] yes it says "unable to resolve host myname" [00:44] what is the first name server listed in nano /etc/resolv.conf ? [00:45] also what is the output of hostname [00:47] timypcr: resolv.conf has "nameserver 127.0.0.53", this looks incorrect, isn't it? [00:47] hostname returns only "myname" [00:47] yep 127.0.0.1 [00:48] ok set your FQDN [00:48] sudo hostname your-new-name [00:48] and than update the first nameserver from 127.0.0.53 to 127.0.0.1 [00:48] restart dnsmasq and see if error is resolved [00:49] isn't resolv.conf automaticcaly updated by dnsmasq? [00:49] I don't think so but my dnsmasq server has been running for years so I don't recall to be honest [00:50] hello is the financial calculator in ubuntu is exact? [00:50] don't know why dnsmasq would edit any files [00:53] any luck courrier? [00:56] timypcr: I'm rebooting... this is veery long [00:56] The server is always stuck on "A start job is running for Wait for Network to be configured" [00:56] during several minutes [00:57] should not need to reboot just restart the dnsmasq service [00:57] can it be because of a bad network config? [00:57] could be is it booting faster now? [00:57] hi, is anyone familiar with logrotate 3.8.7? For some reason some of the log files (ex: `bootstrap.log`, `ufw.log`, `kern.log`) become 0 bytes (see attached .conf files) https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/cz6yAAUN/logrotate.conf [00:57] it looks like it's trying to get an IP from DHCP while it's the DHCP itself [00:58] so you are also using dnsmasq as a DHCP service as well? [00:58] Is it because of the `create` statement? [00:59] if its set up as a DHCP service you should be using a static IP address [01:00] I only use dnsmasq as a recursive DNS server and let my router handle the DHCP [01:01] timypcr: yes I'm using the DHCP server as well [01:02] That would explain why `kern.log` is 0 bytes but I don't understand why the other files would be 0 bytes? [01:02] however it's not supposed to request an IP from a DHCP [01:02] it's set as static on both RJ45 interfaces http://paste.debian.net/1026030/ [01:03] what version of ubuntu are you using? [01:04] s/that would explain why/I understand why/ [01:04] timypcr: 18.04 [01:04] Ubuntu Server [01:04] I don't see a static IP address in the config you posted [01:05] timypcr: what about the "addresses" fields? [01:05] oh I see addresses is a new directive they must have changed that have not ran 18.04 yet [01:05] use to be just address [01:05] yes it's now using netplan [01:07] does it look fine timypcr? [01:07] Any idea of why I'm "waiting for network" so long during boot? [01:08] it does look fine to me not sure why its taking so long to intialze network === Menzie is now known as AdityaTheCaring === AdityaTheCaring is now known as Menzador [01:10] this post mentioned the issue https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2348685 [01:12] by any chance did your resolv.conf rewrite the incorrect entry again? [01:12] also timypcr, it looks like my hostname is always reset to "myname" at next reboot when I set overwrite it for "myname.tld" [01:13] it's still complaining because it can't resolve "myname" :/ [01:14] You got to change that one cloud.cfg file or whatever to get hostname to stick [01:14] any ideas anyone? :/ [01:14] is your server able to ping external sites? [01:15] like google.com ? [01:15] and if not are you able to ping ping 8.8.8.8 ? [01:16] yes I can ping external IPs or dns with success [01:16] Also changing resolv.conf didn't work :/ [01:16] it also got reset [01:16] is your system up to date? [01:16] all the latest patches this seems like a bug [01:20] I just get a notification after upgrade and reboot "Detailed errors from the package manager follow: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.fwupd: Timeout was reached" What does this mean? [01:20] the paste you posted that was the entire config ? you are not setting the gateway for the second interface are you? [01:22] assuming the dnsmasq and the slow boot is not related and there is no issue with your interface config try dd a # in the /etc/init/failsafe.conf file in front of all lines containing sleep . Doing so would help to boot fast. [01:23] courrier: confirm that ' cat /etc/hosts [01:23] hi friends, can someone please take a look why live patch fails? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9S62TzG2Wg/ bionic beaver [01:23] and ' cat /etc/hostname [01:24] that the nakes match . [01:24] names* [01:28] I'm guessing that Bionic Beaver is not yet ready for production [01:29] timypcr: Solid and stable here .. but production rule of thumb is to await the .1 release . [01:35] I'm going to wait until 16.04 is EOL [01:37] I still have a production mail server on 14.04 I'm in no hurry [01:40] I did a clean install of 18.04 on my laptop earlier. it's amazing how quickly it installs! [01:41] messages were a bit terrifying though, since I was installing it alongside my existing install. kept saying "completely removing "... I trusted it though :) [02:10] Bashing-om: when is .1 release coming out? === guiverc is now known as guiverc_t [02:13] RoadRunner: around mid July [02:14] will a 18.04 install be automatically updated to 18.04.1 through software updater? [02:17] RoadRunner: yes .. the pont release will come with the updates . [02:18] thanks [02:41] Is sshd a part of the default install for Ubuntu 16.04? I am getting a connection refused and just assumed it would be running as a default service. I don't see an sshd folder. Do I need to install it? Or am I just missing it somewhere? [02:41] ALowther_: install of 'ssh' needed [02:42] if it's installed, there should be a /etc/ssh directory [02:42] jeffguorg: There is an ssh directory. But that is for the ssh client, right? I want to ssh from another computer into this one. That requires the ssh server, right? Which is sshd? [02:43] Two_Dogs: Okay. Interesting, so ssh client is default, ssh server is not? [02:43] ALowther_: also insure the firewall if enabled is allowing calls to sshd/port 22 [02:43] Two_Dogs, I am in System Monitor. I do not even see an sshd process, I assume that is what it would be called, right? [02:43] ALowther_: i have always found ssh client installed and sshd not installed [02:44] ALowther_: has the service started? [02:44] sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config [02:45] Two_Dogs: How can I tell? In processes there is no sshd, should I be looking for something else? [02:45] Ctrl_Null: I have looked there, I have the ssh folder and ssh_config, but not sshd_config [02:45] ALowther_: it is a service, 'systemctl status sshd' [02:45] sudo pacman -S openssh ssh [02:46] Ctrl_Null: no pacman [02:46] sudo apt-get openssh ssh **** [02:46] sshd.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) [02:47] openssh-server [02:47] ..is the package name if you want sshd [02:47] ALowther_: you will need to install 'ssh' [02:48] ^ [02:48] ALowther_: you will need to install 'ssh' on the remote === uplime is now known as klime [02:49] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html [02:49] Wow, so interesting. I just needed to install ssh-server. Thank you. I didn't realize that was not a default thing. [02:49] ^ easy guide [02:50] Thank you. [02:50] if you are going to be connecting w/o remote suggest adding ssh key [02:50] &whitelisting [02:51] Yes, I am adding my key now. Thank you. === klime is now known as uplime [02:58] ALowther_: sorry, i was busy working on configuring servers. you need openssh-server for sshd [03:01] hi [03:01] someone from Brasil? [03:01] !br | ascii__ [03:01] ascii__: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br " sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigada. [03:01] * ascii__ feliz [03:04] Tudo bem [03:05] hello [03:15] hello [03:22] What is the proper way to restart a service? For instance, if I am playing with settings with my sshd config and need to restart it for changes to take effect. [03:22] jeffguorg: Yes, thank you! I got it installed. [03:23] ALowther_: systemctl restart some.service [03:23] Ah [03:23] This systemctl command seems to be very powerful ;). I shall do some research on it. Thank you :) [03:23] :) ok [03:54] !ping [03:54] pong! [03:54] dong! [04:19] im trying to install cpupower package, tried apt-get install cpupower but no work [04:27] the_document, i don't know the package/app/program, but https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=cpupower gets nothing either - where did you hear/find out about it? [04:29] when I type it in, it recommends linux-tools-common [04:35] running 18.04. Recently tried using VBox. Today having difficulty opening Discord app. Error message stating something about not being able to allocate memory. Wondering if virtual HD's may have stuck RAM? PLS HALP [04:36] not currently running VBox. have hade issues with OS hanging. [04:36] hello all [04:37] Also, wanting to know some SUPER n00b stuff. Like how to change display at top of screen to show DATE along with time. Cant seem to figure it out. OOF. [04:37] is it possible to: 1) do a fresh ubuntu desktop install 2) modify that installation (lets say install google chrome) 3) create a squashfs filesystem after all my configuring is done 4) boot and run the live-installer using that squashfs image? === Scytale_89_ is now known as Scytale_89 [04:38] illn00blli: click the time, then Time & Date Settings ... > Clock [04:42] yuppie, yeah but I don't know how, I watched a video by fracque(i forget; french guy who does makulu) that showed how (using his script for makulu based on ubuntu) [04:43] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [04:43] i think this might be close ... [04:46] maybe this one [04:46] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeALiveCD/DVD/BootableFlashFromHarddiskInstall [04:47] yuppie I don't see that when I click the time [04:47] not with a left or a right click. just drops down the display [04:49] also, still looking for help with RAM question posted above. will repost if needed [04:49] https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-customization-kit-linux-operating-system/ [04:50] this looks good too [04:51] what about a terminal command to see where my memory is going? [04:52] looks like it's half used right now. only have 4GB [04:52] illn00blli: what shows ' free -m ' ? [04:54] Bashing-om Mem: 3836 1543 1193 29 1100 2030 [04:54] er should I pastebinit? [04:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CgRmVChNXt/ === naveen is now known as Guest70157 [04:57] illn00blli: What have you got going on, hiiting swap with memory to spare ? [04:58] i have absolute n00bness going on. [04:59] Bashing-om for example, I don't even know what you just asked me. XD [05:00] running 18.04. Recently tried using VBox. Today having difficulty opening Discord app. Error message stating something about not being able to allocate memory. Wondering if virtual HD's may have stuck RAM? PLS HALP <--repost Bashing-om [05:01] illn00blli: Will take one smarter than I., but with 1193 MB free, I would not expect swap to be used at all . [05:03] illn00blli: How much mamory did you give to Vbox ? [05:03] Bashing-om WUT DO? "\_(o,O)_/" [05:03] Different amounts at different times. [05:03] All of the VM's have been erased. [05:04] So, I would think there should be no problem. [05:06] illn00blli: run the app from terminal, share error messages here, better yet, complete dump of process info offered from terminal execute, pastebin it [05:06] Two_Dogs would it surprise you to know I don't know how to do that (yet) [05:06] illn00blli: The tool 'top' may gove a clue as to what is going on . [05:07] illn00blli: and include 'inxi -Fxz' dump [05:08] illn00blli: open terminal, start app , copy paste terminal output to a pastebin [05:11] Hey guys! i need a bit of help [05:12] Whats the deal here? lol https://i.imgur.com/1nBPZ40.png [05:12] Two_Dogs https://pastebin.com/2Vm0WHUK the app did open after I received this output [05:13] gonna try changing networks, brb. [05:15] illn00blli: i would ask the discord gurus if the errors shown on lines 3-5 matter [05:23] Thank you, Two_Dogs [05:23] illn00blli: yw [05:23] Have to run to market for the momma llama. Would like help figuring out the "swap" thing when I get back. Guess I'll see who's here. === Jochen_wvdT is now known as Schlawiner [05:50] OH BOY! Shut my laptop lid when I left to the market. When I came back I got a terminal screen with a bunch of warning/error messages. Returned to LOGIN screen, and got a pop up saying "Sorry, Ubuntu 18.04 has experienced an internal error." Asked to send report, viewing details now, have not sent... [05:51] Unsure how to relay details of error message to someone here. [05:51] illn00blli: use a hastebin [05:51] how do I get details to a pastebin [05:51] since I can't copy from the dialog [05:52] clicked "continue". dialog disappeared [05:52] illn00blli: when ubuntu encountered you can expand the error details, also if you file the bug, it will redirect you to launchpad [05:53] I expanded the details, but had no way to highlight or copy them [05:53] illn00blli: you can also check your logs in /var/log/.. [05:53] is there another place to grab them? [05:53] ok [05:53] illn00blli: crash logs or syslog/dmesg showing usefull stuff [05:53] I'm new. Forgot how to change directory :( [05:54] illn00blli: cd /var/log [05:54] ok I'm there. what now? [05:55] illn00blli: now read the logs you want, with nano, vi or gedit [05:56] illn00blli: ls to see whats in your dir [05:56] bbl [05:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/84jmkj7KwZ/ here's the list of logs. unsure where to start [05:59] syslog.4.gz has 320 mentions of error... [06:00] guess I'll try back later [06:00] Hello, I have upgraded a 14.04 LTS computer to 16.04. After the update there's some problem with the network interface, 'ifconfig' only lists the loopback interface. [06:02] morn [06:02] ings [06:04] My first guess is that this can hopefully be easily solved by 'reinitializing' the network settings, i.e. triggering the OS to rediscover/renew network settings. But I don't remember well how you do that. [06:07] I just saw now that if I run 'ifconfig -a' I also see a interface named 'ens32' and it has no ip-adress. [06:14] foo357: how did you manage networking on 14.04? [06:16] foo357: the naming convention of network devices changed to new method [06:16] s/devices/connections [06:17] Two_Dogs: I'm not too sure unfortunately. It should be automatic (or whatever is the default in ubuntu 12.04 LTS), I have some possibility to dig down and look this up. ip adress should be obtained by DHCP. [06:18] Two_Dogs: yes I read something about a renaming when I looked into the problem. [06:18] foo357: does the issue system connect to internet? [06:19] Two_Dogs: No, it cannot do it right now since it has no working network interface (ignoring the loopback if) [06:20] foo357: does the issue system connect to internet? how did system connect before upgrade? [06:21] Two_Dogs: nothing special really, just a common wired network connection. [06:22] foo357: ok [06:24] foo357: drill down to file /etc/network/interfaces , does file exist? [06:26] Two_Dogs: yes it exists. Two interfaces are in it (lo and eth0). But now I see that eth0 seems to be configured to use a static ip adress. [06:26] That's a bit odd, I would think eth0 should be configured for dhcp. [06:26] foo357: your networking setup has a router ahead of your system? [06:27] Two_Dogs: yes. [06:29] foo357: you should be able to rename the interface in /etc/network/interfaces to ens32 and do an ifup ens32 [06:30] foo357: copy/paste & execute via terminal> ifconfig ## which interface replaced eth0/1? [06:31] https://paste.debian.net/1026054/ anyone know what's going on here? [06:32] my regular update failed [06:32] Two_Dogs: you mean I should run "ifconfig ens32" (ens32 seems to be the new name for the default wired network connection) [06:33] foo357: ifconfig ## alone should show all [06:36] Two_Dogs: "ifconfig" only lists the loopback interface. But if I add "-a" it also lists ens32, some information is: it has an hardware adress, no traffic (0 packets sent/received) [06:37] Two_Dogs: (also, ens32 does not have an ip-adress ) [06:37] The -a means "show all" which means show the ones which also have not been brought up/activated [06:37] https://git.io/vhULr foo357 something to try [06:38] foo357: Is it supposed to auto-get an IP ? [06:38] Two_Dogs: I have an idea: edit /etc/network/interfaces and fix it up, change eth0 to ens32 in the file, and change it from static ip configuration to dhcp. [06:38] foo357: excellent thought [06:39] Or just try first: sudo ifup en32&& suso ifconfig en32 up .... and then see if ifconfig without -a shows it [06:40] suso/sudo === mastm is now known as mast === nb_ is now known as guest_rob [06:47] Two_Dogs: genii I tried the idea I described earlier (a bit of manual editing of /etc/network/interfaces) and it seems to have worked well. I can bring up ens32 and it is brought up at boot. [06:47] Hi there, there's some annoying behaviour around rebooting with ssh sessions in 16.04 that doesnt seem to be in 14.04 or 18.04. If I've got a clear replication case and wanted to follow up with someone, where should I do that? [06:47] Two_Dogs: genii thanks for the help. [06:47] foo357: cool [06:48] Okay, what do i do with "mv: cannot move '/home/bunie/Lakka-LibreELEC/build.Lakka-Switch.aarch64-2.1-devel/tz-2017c/.install_pkg/etc/zoneinfo/Africa' to '/home/bunie/Lakka-LibreELEC/build.Lakka-Switch.aarch64-2.1-devel/tz-2017c/.install_pkg/usr/share/zoneinfo/Africa': Permission denied" ? [06:48] i tried running it with Sudo with no luck either [07:11] hey [07:11] i am typing sudo -s i got sudo: unable to resolve hos [07:11] t [07:11] how can i deal this problem [07:14] hellyeah: what's the command you're using sudo -s for? [07:15] i created sudo [07:16] sudo -s is just for going into root environment [07:16] when you do sudo -s that ask password for sudo [07:16] this is what i do at least === r0Oter is now known as r00ter [07:19] hellyeah: it should say something after the "unable to resolve host" message (typically, whatever the host name it's trying to resolve) [07:19] hellyeah, look at the answer with the checkmark here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/59458/error-message-sudo-unable-to-resolve-host-user [07:19] yeah it said that [07:22] \q [07:22] good luck, I'm getting off IRC for the night. [07:41] I still need to use the 4.15.0-15 kernel to make the dock/multiple displays on this Lenovo P51 laptop. I'd hoped the new 4.15.0-22 kernel would fix it, but unfortunately it does not. [07:41] On 18.04 === gms is now known as Guest40358 === gms is now known as Guest22004 [08:26] hello world [08:33] Seems like ubuntu (16.04) is using an old version of polkit (version pkaction == 0.105). If I were to install a newer version of polkit, would this break ubuntu (things stop working) [08:33] ? [08:33] mgsk: what for ? [08:33] I'm runnign this to get an email alert when there is a login. echo 'ALERT - '$USER' Shell Access (CryptoSiD) on:' `date` `who` | mail -s "Alert: $USER Access from `who | cut -d'(' -f2 | cut -d')' -f1`" xxx@xxx.xxx [08:34] for an unknow reason it only work when i login as root? else im getting mail: cannot send message: Process exited with a non-zero status [08:34] Ool: the newer version of polkit uses a different rule specification format, and I need that. [08:34] perhaps easiest to install an 18.04 to have new version [08:35] Ool: you sure 18.04 has that version? [08:35] no [08:35] xD [08:35] but I'm sure it have a newer version than 16.04 :) [08:35] ok i get it nvm [08:36] Googling suggests that 18.04 has the newer version that I want. Ool I'll update tonight. Hopefully nothing breaks :) [08:37] mgsk: arf you right [08:38] not sure exactly wich packet your looking for: but with this website you can check versions https://packages.ubuntu.com/ [08:39] CryptoSiD: you execute the line mentioned each time? [08:41] i've put it in /etc/bash.bashrc. but there is an issue with the "cut -d'(' -f2 | cut -d')' -f1`" when there is more than 2 users logged in [08:42] nvm actually, I'll just use the old policykit syntax xD [08:42] nope it work fine with root whatever the number of user logged in, but not with non-root users [08:43] i dont understand why tho:D [08:44] session optional pam_exec.so stdout /etc/your_email_script.sh (this sound like a better option) === jaskal_ is now known as Guest1700 [08:50] CryptoSiD: maybe mail doesn't like newlines in the subject? [09:04] Hi, I have a problem with Synaptic application. it can't search many packages anymore, after I added 386 architecture for packages, beside 64-bit one. === jaskal__ is now known as jaskal_ [09:05] Like it can find hexchat-common but can't find hexchat itself when searching package names on 'Search' button in Synaptic [09:07] Could it be that adding also 32-bit achitecture beside 64-bit, somehow disables regular search in Synaptic? [09:07] hello, fair people of #ubuntu! :D [09:09] i have a holywar-inducing question today. i'm trying to choose a file system for a new server. its primary role is SQL. any suggestions? :D [09:10] currently i'm thinking lvm+ext4 === jaskal__ is now known as jaskal_ [09:15] unrecovered, I would choose BTRFS for system and ZFS for data [09:15] But that's only me === gms is now known as Guest61284 [09:19] hey guys [09:20] I have a portable ssd that I use to safe files from a machine running ubuntu, but when i tried to plug it into another computer, I cant copy the files over. [09:21] Synaptic deos not search right.. I removed i386 architecture with 'sudo dpkg --remove-architecture i386 ' and nothing changed. It's Synaptic's thing === amirpro_ is now known as amirpro [09:23] eraserpencil: what filesystem did you put on it? [09:23] i've tried giving it 777 permissions [09:23] it's ext4 [09:23] eraserpencil: what OS is the other computer running? [09:23] both ubuntu [09:23] mount with -o rw ? [09:24] eraserpencil: and what do you mean by "can't copy the files over".. what exactly are you doing and what's the exact error? [09:27] Seems like synaptic can't find packages even after reinstall. maybe somehow packages need to be reindexed somehow? [09:27] I build snaps on an ssd with a faster machine. Now, I want to bring over all the files(parts, stage etc etc) including the snaps to my laptop. When I tried to copy the fodler from the SSD to my home directory, I got permissions error. [09:29] eraserpencil: you need to fix the permissions then, what errors do you get [09:29] just permission denied [09:30] but i've given the folder 777 permissions on both machines [09:30] is it that the folder has permission but not it's content? [09:31] just confirm that you did it recursivly with ls -la [09:32] My ssh connection keeps dropping, I use that connection to tunnel information so I need it to become more stable. Any tricks available? [09:34] nicholasBPM wtorkaroun : use 'screen' multiplexer [09:34] workaround* [09:35] I didnt eject the SSD though, cause my machine does not have a gui output [09:35] nicholasBPM https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/keep-your-ssh-session-running-when-you-disconnect/ [09:35] MonkeyDust, thanks! I will google it [09:36] nicholasBPM: check out 'mosh' also. Interesting tool [09:38] mosh looks neat [09:39] MonkeyDust, I use my ssh connection for socks 5 so the connection runs in the background.. and when the connection dies i have to create a new tunnel [09:39] i tried it with 127.0.0.1 [09:42] nicholasBPM it advices here, to simply change the ssh port from 22 to something else https://superuser.com/questions/479700/unstable-ssh-connections-in-to-ubuntu [09:43] MonkeyDust, thanks I tried that, but still no luck.. The connection works fine as soon as i reconnect. [09:49] nikolam: hmm... could you be a bit more specific? why those two? [09:51] should I just move to wayland? === user1_ is now known as SemiControl [10:00] unrecovered, it's just my opinion. Both BTRFS and ZFS are Copy on write, have snapshots and send, one is part of Linux kernel other is supported by Ubuntu. One is still in development, other is long time stable across many platforms. I say, get the best of both worlds, use Btrfs for system, because it is supporte din kernel and ZFS for data to be able to share it across systems. [10:01] They also have included RAID levels in software , Caching on SSD for ZFS, checksuums, so you always get data you wrote checked before giving to application... [10:03] my mozilla not work [10:04] ubuntu-mate, mozilla is a company :) === amirpro_ is now known as amirpro [10:05] mozilla firefox [10:06] ubuntu-mate, what Ubuntu are you on (lsb_release -a), and do you have it installed or it is uninstalled maybe by mistake? === rory is now known as guest [10:07] mate-16.0 [10:08] unistalled [10:08] ubuntu-mate, see with dpkg -l | grep firefox if it is installed [10:08] unrecovered: I wouldn't trust btrfs at all. ZFS is well supported on Ubuntu, I have some machines even running encrypted ZFS root. I ZFS all the things. [10:09] I've used btrfs on all my systems since 2012, never had a single problem with it (under gentoo anyway).. I hear ubuntu only recently had kernels new enough for it to be mostly stable though [10:10] blackflow, I am interested in ZFS root, yet is it actually supported by Ubuntu to have Root on ZFS? How to you manage Boot Environments on ZFS/Ubuntu if you do? [10:10] Triffid_Hunter, yes, Have been using Btrfs that long too, even live migrated to RAID1 etc. [10:11] nikolam: it's supported in the way that zfs is part of the kernel image, pre-built in step with the kernel (so no potential DKMS issues borking the boot), and initramfs understands it so root on zfs is possible. As for BEs, I don't think they're supported, and that's something that I guess should be done in grub. [10:11] I am used to illumos Boot environments on ZFS for such a long time. Not seeing that, except snapshots on Linux. [10:12] nikolam: personally, I solve the BE problem with a set of custom initramfs scripts which I use anyway to unlock the encrypted root pool over ssh remotely. there I can also select the snapshot to boot. [10:12] Yes, also update procedures need to understand ZFS internals, to create new BE in a cloned one, activate it, etc. it is different paradigm for Linux. [10:13] Yeah, you boot off from datasets, snapshots are read-only by default in Zfs :P [10:13] nikolam: indeed, but I don't think any CoW system is supported that way? It would, ineed, be nice if apt for example would make automatic snapshots before updates. [10:14] blackflow, yes, I were using that thing in Opensolaris/Openindiana for years. But it's out of scope for Ubuntu talk. [10:15] nikolam: yes BEs are datasets, but snapshotted (clones are snapshot based), so... :) [10:15] So you boot off the clone :P it's r-w :P [10:15] yeah. [10:16] Great thing you shared this about booting off ZFS without dkms, thanks blackflow [10:16] anyway, I was really hoping the support for zfs to increase over the years since 16.10, but that never happened. Instead Canonical is more interested in NIH-ing new software like netplan and subiquity, so it'll be another few years before that is even remotely considered I guess. [10:18] I used to use 'beadm' from illumos to manage BE's and have Ubuntu living inside BE for a short period of time. I may try that again. [10:18] (what's worse, the new installer has even less features, so I really don't get the point of doing all that instead of evolving what you already got, but eh. I debootstrap all my installations so I don't care really). [10:19] blackflow, also that "encrypted root pool " is interesting. Do youa ctually encrypt ZFS datasets? (openZFS encryption is available from Delphix I think, but not upstreamed yet, I think) [10:19] nikolam: I use LUKS. ZFS's own encryption is highly experimental at this point, and some related issues on ZoL github are scary :) [10:20] I think Delphix use OpenZFS dataset encryption in their production for their customers for something close to two years, but yes, they didn't finishe-released it yet. [10:21] isn't Delphix based on FreeBSD? [10:21] Delphix' implementation of openzfs I mean [10:21] No they use illumos. OpenZFS is cross-platform itself. [10:22] nikolam: yeah but not all implementations of openzfs are the same. eg, there are differences between ZoL and FreeBSD [10:22] they both have OpenZFS the project as upstream, yes. [10:22] s/both/all [10:22] blackflow, sure, thay all have their patches. but that "Feature flags" thing solves incompatibilities if new features are in for datasets. [10:23] nikolam: yeah, that. [10:23] minus an occasional bug in ZoL that prevents zfs send|recv between ZoL in artful/xenial and FreeBSD :) [10:24] Only thing I have seen after 18.04 install in Ubuntu is a problem with recognizing older ZFS datasets (got to see how old), other then that it works [10:24] fixed in Bionic with 0.7.5, thankfully. [10:24] blackflow, ah didn't know that. great. [10:24] nikolam: bug #1733230 [10:24] bug 1733230 in zfs-linux (Ubuntu) "'zfs recv' hangs when receiving from a FreeBSD zfs" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733230 [10:25] it's actually a problem in ZoL that was fixed in the 0.7.x branch, and so far that was the only problem for shared ZFS pools with same feature flags, that I encountered. [10:26] This one is #1771091 [10:27] nikolam: how much older pools? I upgraded an artful root on encrypted zpool to bionic test server, and it all went well. [10:27] (as that's 0.6.x to 0.7.x switch) [10:29] blackflow, sorry need to determine that. Maybe even pre-Feature flags. Will need to check that. [10:29] hello, how do I check the list of available RAID disks? [10:30] afidegnum, depending on RAID system you use. if you are using RAID hardware controller, check your hardware documentation. If using native Linux RAID, check mdadm [10:31] yes i m using Linux RAID === gms is now known as Guest45095 [10:37] afidegnum: I keep this handy: http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/08/mdadm-cheat-sheet/ [10:38] *keep this bookmarked === CChaplin1 is now known as CChaplin [10:43] Hi guys! [10:45] I have a problem whith my pc's bluetooth [10:46] !details | Jigglypuff [10:46] Jigglypuff: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel. [10:49] On my pc is installed Elementary os, and when I turn on the bluetooth it does not send me nor receive files, images ... besides it does not find the devices nearby. [10:52] ubottu how should I make you see this information? [10:52] Jigglypuff: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:53] Jigglypuff: and what you looking for here it is ubuntu support channel [10:53] Jigglypuff is a pokemon? [10:53] :D [10:53] Yes XD [10:54] funny [10:54] Sorry but I can not find support for Elementary! [10:55] Sarcastico are you italian? [10:55] Jigglypuff: not! I´m brazilian! [10:55] hi All [10:57] Hi [10:59]