[05:04] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:52] <rbasak> ahasenack: yes
[12:14] <ahasenack> good morning
[14:54] <Ussat> so Deploying 1st 18.04 into prod today
[14:54] <Ussat> \o/
[15:25] <Ussat> does 18.04LTS come with php 7.2 ?
[15:25] <sdeziel> Ussat: yes
[15:25] <Ussat> thanks
[15:26] <Ussat> building cacti server on 18.04
[15:33] <Blueking> sdeziel need to do recovery flash of mobo bios to get back cores
[15:33] <sdeziel> Blueking: as in go back to an older bios version?
[15:34] <rcm888> I have xrdp 2 issues
[15:34] <Blueking> sdeziel no   flash with latest bios
[15:34] <rcm888> no cursor, only X sign
[15:34] <sdeziel> Blueking: odd but OK :)
[15:35] <Blueking> https://www.supermicro.nl/support/faqs/faq.cfm?faq=17137
[15:35] <sdeziel> that looks promising
[15:36] <sdeziel> so you've been out of 3 cores for ~5y now and a bios upgrade will fix it?
[15:37] <Blueking> not sure when it did happen
[15:37] <Blueking> I flashed bios 2-3 years ago
[15:37] <Blueking> havn't noticed any diff.. only used for router purpose på torrenting
[15:38] <Blueking> takk :)
[15:40] <sdeziel> apparently the latest bios dates back to December 21st 2015
[16:33] <Ussat> OK, so netplan is pretty damm simple, but I am cureious why the change to netplan ?
[16:33] <blackflow> NIH?
[16:34] <Ussat> 1st 18.04 is in production now  \o/
[16:37] <nacc> Ussat: netplan is able to support more complicated, cloud-like networking configurations that ifupdown doesn't (can't) or can but only with massive amounts of pain
[16:37] <nacc> that's my explanation, at least
[16:37] <engkur> hi all
[16:37] <Ussat> nacc, that works....I have found it very simple
[16:38] <engkur> anyone install ngs3 on ubuntu 18.04
[16:38] <Ussat> about to start the process to migrate all our 16.04 -> 18.04
[16:38] <blackflow> nacc: except it doesnt'. netplan doesn't do anything with networking it merely passes on the config to appropriate files/interfaces for networkd and networkmanager.
[16:38] <Ussat> well start the planning anyway
[16:39] <blackflow> in other words, it's an abstraction tool. one could easily use networkd directly for same effect, AND stay portable across distros. netplan is another NIH and Canonical-specific bs.
[16:40] <Ussat> eh...whatever.....I use a total of 2 distros at work so....
[16:45] <nacc> blackflow: i think the point is you can't do it 'easily' with networkd. I'm not here to argue, though, so have a nice day.
[16:46] <Ussat> I am all for "easy" TBH, anything that makes my job flow simpler....WIN
[16:47] <blackflow> it makes _my_ job flow harder though.
[16:47] <cyphermox> blackflow: my point earlier has been that if you described what is harder for you it's potentially something we can fix
[16:47] <Ussat> I dont see how, there is nothing stopping you fro useing the lower level networkd commands
[16:48] <cyphermox> complaining for the sake of complaining, however, if not constructive.
[16:48] <cyphermox> Ussat: +1
[16:49] <blackflow> cyphermox: you can't fix it. the part that's harder is custom configuration steps and procedures, just for Ubuntus. right now we remove netplan and use networkd directly. I sure do hope it'll stay that way adn won't become a hard requirement.
[16:49] <Ussat> considering networkd is here to stay...
[16:49] <blackflow> I mean, you _can_ fix it, by removing it :)
[16:49] <Ussat> its not broken, just dont use the netplan layer
[16:50] <Ussat> there really is no need to remove it
[16:50] <blackflow> Ussat: are you 100% sure about that?
[16:50] <cyphermox> so am I.
[16:51] <Ussat> pretty much
[16:51] <Ussat> NOTHING is 100%
[16:51] <cyphermox> if you don't configure anything in /etc/netplan, it won't do anything. You don't need to remove it, but you're free to if you feel the need to
[16:51] <Ussat> well, death and taxes, but ya
[16:51] <Ussat> srsly, its a conveniance layer.....dont use it if ya dont want.
[16:55] <nacc> Blueking: did you figure out your system?
[16:56] <blackflow> cyphermox: so you're saying that if I remove the /etc/netplan/* files, it will leave networkd configs alone?
[17:14] <cyphermox> yes
[17:15] <blackflow> cyphermox: well I have a test server here that's refusing to boot because of missing network config, that says otherwise.
[17:24] <cyphermox> missing network config maybe, but that doesn't mean it's netplan
[18:09] <Ussat> I just removed the netplan files on my test VM and boots fine
[18:58] <dpb1> that's one of the elegant things about it actually.  it's just a renderer
[19:03] <Blueking> nacc: https://www.supermicro.nl/support/faqs/faq.cfm?faq=17137
[19:04] <sarnold> Blueking: nice find
[19:05] <Blueking> it was a guy from shop where I bought cpu and mobo who dig it out for me
[19:08] <Blueking> similar solution: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eWwSlZlUNDMJ:https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D128722.0+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
[19:26] <Blueking> wish me good luck :)
[19:26] <Blueking> 4 core to be enabled :P
[19:26] <ahasenack> good luck
[19:58] <Blueking> taken out cmos battery now gotta wait 20 min
[19:59] <sarnold> why not poke the pins they suggested?
[19:59] <nacc> Blueking: yes, that seems to be the same as what I posted earlier (the google cached link)
[19:59] <Blueking> pins was to do something about ME
[20:47] <Blueking> nacc sarnold -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VWCdgrcBxK/
[20:48] <sarnold> YES :D
[20:48] <sarnold> Blueking: fantastic :D
[20:49] <Blueking> :D
[20:49] <Blueking> gotta have a look at munin...
[20:50] <Blueking> lol.. think I've had only one core for atleast 4 years..
[20:51] <sarnold> you don't normally think to plot "number of online CPUs" in graphs though
[20:52] <Blueking> no  but before I only had 2 cpu on graph  now it's 8
[20:53] <Blueking> verifies that I only had one active core for years
[20:53] <Blueking> tho  one core were enough for mine use
[20:54] <Blueking> and started recently using this pc for plex server
[20:54] <Blueking> and needed to look into it
[20:56] <sarnold> so hooray for the four-times-speed upgrade :D
[20:58] <Blueking> :)
[20:58] <Blueking> no point upgrade to xeon E3 v6 1245 or higher ?
[20:59] <Blueking> asked shop guy to look into what 1151 motherboards that supports intel quick sync video and xeon E3 with igpu for hw transcoding..
[21:06] <Blueking> hello RoyK :)
[21:06] <Blueking> RoyK talked to tony today :)
[21:07] <RoyK> what?
[22:47] <libben> Has anyone tried building a router on Bionic Beaver? I've never done a router from scratch. always used pfsense/opnsense and so on. But This time I just want to try build one myself. I do nothing fancy network wise at home. Im going to put it up on a minipc with 4 nics and a wificard.
[22:47] <libben> Looking at old router builds on ubuntu I feel some things are deprecated on those
[22:48] <libben> So Anyone can write the steps to take on the new builds. Just the directions, like bullet points. So I can dig down on my own on them instead of guessing on what to do and what is the smartest way of doing things.
[22:48] <sarnold> probably you'd use netplan instead of writing into /etc/network/interfaces these days
[22:49] <libben> yeah that was my first thought
[22:49] <libben> and iptables
[22:49] <sarnold> and try to switch to ip and the other tools from iproute2 instead of using ifconfig and route
[22:52] <libben> so netplan, ip forwarding/nat, iptables, ip route and bring up wificard and add dhcp functionality
[22:52] <libben> bind9 ?
[22:53] <sarnold> I'd prefer powerdns, unbound and knot are popular choices too, but bind9 is in main.. tough choice there :)
[22:53] <libben> well im a total novice on these things
[22:53] <libben> Going for the thing that is understandable and easy guide on
[22:54] <libben> someone should write a simple router bash script where you just specify your nics and what nic to be wan =)
[22:55] <libben> pretty amazed that there isnt allready such a package to setup a router on a debian/ubuntu
[22:55] <sarnold> or worse, there might be dozens of the things :)
[22:56] <libben> the "love hate" =)
[22:59] <sarnold> you know how it goes, one works okay but ignores NAT entirely, another would focus entirely on NAT, one would exist just to use ferm, another would try to be an IPAM solution via shell scripts, etc etc..
[23:00] <libben> yeah it's a shame
[23:00] <libben> That there is so many ways and opinions some times.