[12:46] <waldo323> good morning
[12:46] <rick_h_> morning
[15:46] <flipsidecreation> good afternoon
[17:01] <cmaloney> good night
[17:01] <cmaloney> zzzzz
[18:45] <waldo323> g'day
[18:46] <daemoneye> hey waldo323
[18:55] <waldo323> hey daemoneye
[18:55] <daemoneye> how goes?
[18:55] <waldo323> pretty well
[18:55] <waldo323> and you?
[18:55] <daemoneye> good to hear
[18:56] <cmaloney> \m/
[18:56] <daemoneye> I've been better mentally.
[18:56] <daemoneye> But, okay otherwise
[18:56] <waldo323> :-\ anything we can do to help?
[18:57] <daemoneye> Not really... feeling a bit talked down on at a work meeting
[18:57] <cmaloney> That's always fun. :(
[18:57] <daemoneye> yeah.
[18:57] <waldo323> yeah :-\
[18:57] <cmaloney> Was it something that you feel was your fault?
[18:59] <daemoneye> Kind of... There was some code to figure out that is in C++. I don't know C++ very well. The project got passed to a student who has experience with C++. They are now saying how much better the student is at it than myself.
[18:59] <cmaloney> Ah, that always sucks
[18:59] <cmaloney> but it's also a data-point
[19:00] <cmaloney> You know where your weaknesses are in programming
[19:00] <daemoneye> yep. So, I got stuck with writing documentation.
[19:00] <waldo323> c++
[19:00] <cmaloney> do you have access to the code that the student is working on?
[19:00] <daemoneye> I don't until he pushes the final product
[19:01] <cmaloney> If you have the opportunity to look at it then you can see where the delta is between you and the student
[19:01] <cmaloney> and see what you can improve
[19:01]  * daemoneye nods
[19:01] <cmaloney> At least you have the opportunity to get better
[19:01] <daemoneye> yep
[19:01] <cmaloney> even though you're stuck with the discomfort now of knowing that there's a gap
[19:01] <daemoneye> I am okay with C and apparently that means I am good with C++
[19:02] <cmaloney> They're two completely separate languages
[19:02] <daemoneye> I am also really underpaid.
[19:03] <daemoneye> That they are
[19:03] <cmaloney> but nobody knows that until they know that. ;)
[19:03] <daemoneye> yep
[19:04] <cmaloney> When is the project supposed to be done?
[19:05] <daemoneye> There was no specific date; I was working on it for about a month before the student took over and did the same work in a week and is now adding the other features.
[19:05] <cmaloney> because if this is a student working on this and it's supposed to be done in August then they've fucked themselves
[19:05] <cmaloney> Ah
[19:05] <daemoneye> Yep. The student will probably be able to work into the next year
[19:05] <cmaloney> Unitl they burn out
[19:05] <daemoneye> yep
[19:06] <cmaloney> Because one can only do the wonderkid routine for so long
[19:06] <daemoneye> Yeah
[19:06] <cmaloney> But yeah, that sucks
[19:06]  * daemoneye nods
[19:07] <cmaloney> Hoping you at least get the opportunity to learn before this is all over
[19:09] <cmaloney> I really hate it when places don't allow for learning
[19:09] <cmaloney> even if the only thing you learn is never to work there.
[19:12] <brousch> The intern here is getting a project done that has been taking me forever. The big difference is that he is only doing that project, while I'm doing 10 projects (including managing the intern). The point being, just because he is getting something done faster, doesn't mean you can really compare it.
[19:12] <cmaloney> ++
[19:13] <cmaloney> And sometimes all that's needed is a fresh pair of eyes on a project
[19:13] <daemoneye> cmaloney: I often feel I can't always truly learn here
[19:13] <cmaloney> but again, having recent experience with C++
[19:13] <cmaloney> that helps
[19:13] <cmaloney> Where do you see the gaps?
[19:15] <daemoneye> yep. I see it as being "hurry up and do this without having to understand it"
[19:22] <brousch> daemoneye: That is dangerous
[19:26] <daemoneye> I agree
[19:41] <daemoneye> Anyway, thanks for letting me vent
[19:47] <brousch> Congrats! Did you just get your PHD?
[19:48] <DrDaemonEye> brousch: In jokes and sarcasm, yes
[20:47] <cmaloney> heh
[20:50] <goat-g> stupid nickserv
[20:53] <cmaloney> I'm sure it'll be fixed soon
[20:54] <cmaloney> goat-g: Unrelated: I really hate the whole "you haven't logged into this service with this device before, please do all the things to authenticate again"
[20:54] <cmaloney> Steam in particular.
[20:55] <cmaloney> I think my Steam account is more secured than some financial institutions
[20:57] <goat-g> stupidly, what if I was doing things "right" and I traveled somewhere with my laptop turned off, logged out of services, unique random long ass passwords for everything including email, get some where and it says "new location, who dis? check your email"...  I'd be SOL
[20:58] <cmaloney> yep