[00:01] <kunji> mattzab: I assume that pressing 'select' instead of double clicking also does nothing?
[00:01] <mattzab> kunji, thanks. My host OS is the Desktop version of Ubuntu 18.04, which I don't necessarily prefer, even with the minimal installation option selected. I much rather would start from 'scratch' with the 64mb mini.iso
[00:02] <mattzab> kunji: Yes, I've tried clicking select, I've pressed enter, I've held enter, I've double clicked, nothing does anything. On a different machine- a Chromebook running a headless Ubuntu in a Chroot with only Nemo installed, I'm able to run the program and select ISOs, but this machine isn't ideal for reauthoring discs or other heavy usage tasks like that.
[00:03] <kunji> mattzab: Well, I think I'm as stumped as you T.T
[00:04] <mattzab> Kunji: I might re-install my system altogether. On that note, I've got another problem. Mind lending a hand on that too?
[00:06] <mattzab> Kunji: I seem to have trouble using Unetbootin to make Live USB drives. So instead I used isoinfo to find out my bs size of my ISO, and used DD to write the ISO to my USB drive. I did that with an old Ubuntu ISO I had on hand, and now my USB drive only mounts as a CD drive. I can't write to it, can't modify it with GParted, etc. Before I realized that was caused by my dd'ing the ISO, I wasted a second USB drive the same way but this 
[00:08] <mattzab> Now I've got a final USB drive that I partitioned before DD'ing to it's second partition, and I've got one partition left thats writable. I want to put a fresh Ubuntu mini ISO on there to boot from, but, uh... I'm not hoping to waste that last partition. I'd also like to recover those USB drives back to being USB drives rather than CD drives...
[00:18] <mattzab> Anyone still there?
[00:18] <luka_33> no
[00:18] <Two_Dogs> mattzab: archwiki article 'dd to usb' says 'Dont dd to  usb partition', so the dd command would look like> dd if=some-iso-file of=/dev/sdb <-- you dont use partition
[00:18] <matjam> don't use unetbootin
[00:19] <mattzab> matjam: Yeah, no kidding, it never worked, so I didn't use it.
[00:19] <mattzab> matjam: I learned the hard way not to use dd either. What do you recommend?
[00:19] <matjam> use startup disk creator or Rufus
[00:20] <matjam> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[00:20] <matjam> there's also tutorials for ubuntu and macos if you're doing it on there
[00:20] <matjam> usb-creator-gtk on ubuntu
[00:20] <spreeuw> it depends on the format of the "iso" you download
[00:21] <mattzab> matjam: I can only find .exe files for Rufus
[00:21] <spreeuw> the normal floppy disk stuff works
[00:21] <mattzab> I'll look into usb-creator-gtk I guess. I've made probably around a hundred bootable USBs one way or another over the years, never had trouble till now.
[00:22] <mattzab> How do I recover the USB drives that I already tried making into Live Bootable systems?
[00:22] <spreeuw> mattzab: what project?
[00:22] <matjam> its because of uefi stuff I think. usb-creator-gtk is the supported method on ubuntu.
[00:22] <spreeuw> recover? you mean overwrite it again
[00:23] <spreeuw> the old data is gone
[00:23] <mattzab> spreeuw: overwrite again
[00:23] <spreeuw> as pointed out use the raw device, not a partition
[00:23] <spreeuw> so sdc and not sdc1
[00:24] <mattzab> spreeuw: Any advice on how to do that?
[00:24] <spreeuw> or whatever dev you use
[00:24] <matjam> mattzab: just start usb-creator-gtk, it will detect the drive and overwrite it
[00:24] <matjam> mattzab: its super easy to use.
[00:24] <mattzab> I don't think it will...
[00:24] <matjam> it will
[00:24] <spreeuw> dd if=iso of=/dev/sdc
[00:24] <mattzab> I used dd to make live media, and that worked, but now they mount as CDROM drives
[00:24] <matjam> don't do that
[00:24] <matjam> use usb-creator-gtk, please.
[00:24] <spreeuw> if you downloaded an actual bootable iso
[00:25] <spreeuw> and not some half ass image that needs special processing
[00:25] <spreeuw> as some projects provide
[00:25] <matjam> usb-creator-gtk makes sure you're actually doing it to a usb device
[00:25] <mattzab> spreeuw: using dd is what messed things up for me. I even used isoinfo to check the bs and write the proper bs size when using dd, and that worked for creating live images that I booted from and installed fresh systems on. But now my USB drives are mounting ro
[00:25] <matjam> and again, its the supported method
[00:25] <Two_Dogs> mattzab: archwiki article 'dd to usb' says 'Dont dd to  usb partition', so the dd command would look like> dd if=some-iso-file of=/dev/sdb <-- you dont use partition
[00:26] <spreeuw> you should select the correct target to write to obviously
[00:26] <mattzab> matjam: that's what I'm thinking, that usb-creator-gtk won't detect it as a USB drive if it's mounting RO
[00:26] <Two_Dogs> mattzab: long while back you said you dd'ed to a usb partition
[00:26] <spreeuw> if oyu overwrite a disk, restore a backup
[00:26] <matjam> mattzab: it unmounts it'
[00:26] <matjam> mattzab: it knows how to handle the device correctly
[00:26] <matjam> mattzab: use it
[00:26] <matjam> I'm going home.
[00:27] <mattzab> Two_Dogs: I didn't use a partition on my first two USB drives, and both of them completely mount as CDROM drives. The last one is a 128GB drive that I partitioned, and just dd'ed the ISO to the first partition. I'm actually able to boot from that successfully, but it mounts as CD as well... eh!
[00:28] <mattzab> matjam: I'll check it out with usb-creator-gtk. Unmounting with GParted and trying to wipe the drive didn't work...
[00:28] <mattzab> So that's why I doubted. I apologize in advance if gtk works.
[00:28] <spreeuw> tahts because they are  floppies on iso cd / dvd filesystenms
[00:29] <spreeuw> think its called el torito
[00:29] <spreeuw> it should mount as cdrom
[00:29] <spreeuw> ro
[00:29] <mattzab> floppies on iso cd / dvd filesystems? I don't understand...
[00:29] <spreeuw> cdrom fs iso9660 isnt writable
[00:29] <spreeuw> aside from the initial creation
[00:29] <mattzab> right, not writable. So that's why I'm stuck now with ro drives
[00:30] <Two_Dogs> usb!
[00:30] <spreeuw> yes if you had filesystems on there before
[00:30] <spreeuw> that data is lost
[00:30] <mattzab> I don't care about the data that was on there... I care about being able to write to them again
[00:31] <spreeuw> oh just create a normal filesystem on them
[00:31] <mattzab> RO USB drives aren't any good to me, I might as well have burned the ISOs to real CDs if I wanted RO media
[00:31] <spreeuw> partition the disk and then mkfs
[00:31] <mattzab> That's what I'm trying to figure out how to do...
[00:31] <spreeuw> fdisk and mkfs
[00:31] <mattzab> How do I partition the disk when it's being recognized as a CDROM?
[00:31] <mattzab> Tried both of those
[00:32] <mattzab> I'll try again and maybe pastebin the output or something
[00:32] <spreeuw> or to visualize this, use a partition linux distro
[00:32] <spreeuw> gnu parted
[00:32] <mattzab> gparted didn't work
[00:32] <mattzab> It thinks it's a CDROM drive, whether it's mounted or unmounted...
[00:33] <spreeuw> you may have instructed it wrong
[00:33] <spreeuw> you need to recreate a partition first, ie ext type
[00:33] <mattzab> instructed my USB drive wrong? What does that mean I did? I definitely did something wrong...
[00:33] <spreeuw> type 82 or whatever it is
[00:33] <mattzab> Right, I can't create partitions on a CD, because it's RO
[00:33] <spreeuw> another possibility is that the OS you're trying to use these disks in tries to be smart
[00:34] <mattzab> Ubuntu 16.04 & 18.04
[00:34] <spreeuw> tying uuid to the old fs
[00:34] <mattzab> Tested it on OS X and ChromeOS as well... same thing. Mounting as CD drive.
[00:34] <spreeuw> do fdisk -l /dev/sdx
[00:35] <spreeuw> you must change the partition type to linux ext first
[00:35] <spreeuw> and then format that partition with ext4
[00:35] <spreeuw> and then mount it
[00:36] <spreeuw> should be rw
[00:38] <mattzab> That's a capital "I" (i) right?
[00:38] <mattzab> or fdisk -1
[00:38] <mattzab> fdisk -l
[00:38] <mattzab> lowercase L
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[00:47] <nacc> matjam: are you try trying to do a persistent USB?
[00:48] <nacc> matjam: the live USB and the installer USB are readonly by default (iirc)
[00:48] <nacc> bh
[00:48] <nacc> mattzab is who i meant, sorry matjam
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[01:07] <luxio> How do I disable thumbnail caching?
[01:09] <luxio> (I don't want any files being created in ~/.cache/thumbnails/*)
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[01:15] <suntek> 这个怎么玩的？
[01:19] <luxio> !zh | suntek
[01:19] <ubottu> suntek: 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw
[01:34] <thomas_> hello
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[01:50] <Ctrl_Null> hello
[01:50] <Ctrl_Null> seems dead tonight
[02:29] <luxio> How do I disable thumbnail caching? I don't want any files being created in ~/.cache/thumbnails/*
[02:34] <flyback> how do I disable the automounter in 18.04
[02:36] <flyback> nevermind I can't use 18.04 anyways they stopped supporting gnu fdisk
[02:36] <flyback> ugh that memans I have to spend hrs installing a temp install just to run 1 progra
[03:03] <i_heart_penguins> my screen turns off when playing a game using the controller. what's a girl to do?
[03:27] <littlepython> how do i make httpd to run on different port
[03:27] <littlepython> i changed Listen to 81 in /etc/conf/httpd/httpd.conf
[03:28] <cfhowlett> !ports | littlepython
[03:28] <ubottu> littlepython: For instructions on how to set up port-forwarding (for games, torrents, webservers) see http://portforward.com - also see !firewall
[03:28] <littlepython> cfhowlett: this is not port forwarding i think
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[03:41] <haskell_noob2> #haskell
[03:42] <cfhowlett> haskell_noob2, gotta put the command first i.e.  /join #haskell
[03:43] <Flannel> littlepython: After you changed your port, did you restart the server?
[03:44] <Flannel> littlepython: Actually, while that's a good question, it likely doesn't matter.  What httpd server are you running?
[04:01] <geenom> hello
[04:02] <geenom> can anyone please help on https://askubuntu.com/questions/1039638/ubuntu-18-04-on-screen-keyboard-customization
[04:02] <geenom> thank you
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[04:33] <monkers> hello.  One of the drives in my LVM array has failed and now the system reboots into an emergency mode. I'm not sure why but i assume it has something to do with the LVM and NFS failing to load up.  I'd like to boot into multiuser mode without the LVM array so i can take a look
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> !lvm | monkers
[04:37] <ubottu> monkers: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[04:39] <monkers> ty
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[04:50] <pragomer> how can I open-with-right-click a textfile from nautilus with nano (in terminal) ?
[04:50] <pragomer> I cannot choose a terminal program in the "open with" list
[04:58] <Triffid_Hunter> pragomer: you need to write a .desktop file for it
[04:59] <Alfredos_> hello I heb a problem with my ubuntu
[04:59] <Alfredos_> can you help me
[04:59] <guiverc> Alfredos_: please outline your problem (single line please), and if someone in the room knows the answer or how to help they will (be patient please too)
[05:00] <Time-Warp> >_>
[05:00] <Alfredos_> very nice
[05:00] <Time-Warp> <_<
[05:00] <Alfredos_> my irc, it automatically leaves the room after 1 minut
[05:01] <Ferboten> i hear this is the place to be
[05:01] <glitchd> and now youre here.
[05:01] <glitchd> dont listen to the sheeple, they will mislead you.
[05:02] <feldon40> Is this where I can get jerked for 10 minutes? Asking for a friend.
[05:02] <PagliaccisCloud> +1
[05:02] <glitchd> feldon40, you were just leaving.
[05:04] <buscado> did you guys make someone upset? I am getting a lot of spam about this channel, #ubuntu seems to have a detractor
[05:05] <parsnip> hey, i'm LOOKING FOR A HELP CHANNEL WHERE THE HELP DON'T KNOW SHIT BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY DON'T SHIT THEY WILL SPEND 10 MINS JERKING YOUR CHAIN??
[05:05] <Ferboten> a lot of people are here for the jerking
[05:05] <stan7> some another choice to run windows software in linux ? more than wine, virtualbox or playonlinux?
[05:06] <PagliaccisCloud> well, anyone who considers other users "the help" obviously has an... interesting perspective on things
[05:06] <pragomer> Ok I now created a starter. it appears corectly in gnome dash and starts nano.
[05:06] <pragomer> but it does not appear in "open with list"
[05:06] <parsnip> oh, i missed that bit
[05:06] <parsnip> it was followed with the overtly racist deragotory term
[05:06] <Ferboten> i barely know how to use linux and just completed my master's in computer science, is that good or bad
[05:07] <PagliaccisCloud> stan7 - docker, maybe?
[05:07] <parsnip> good
[05:07] <feldon40> Just confirms that most degrees are just a piece of paper.
[05:07] <feldon40> a very expensive piece of paper
[05:07] <Ferboten> my research could be done on any platform, except linux is slightly faster
[05:08] <monkers> Is there a guide for LVM disaster recovery? i've lost one of my lvm array drives and now i am booting into emergency mode not sure what i can do
[05:08] <parsnip> they didn't ask you how many initial commits are in the linux repo?
[05:08] <Berg> hi you had a issue with some dude named hoNotInTheMood
[05:08] <stan7>  i havent hear about it, but thanks a lot i will research about it, i think best option is virtual box right?
[05:09] <Berg> funny fish is slandering you channe;
[05:09] <parsnip> Berg: did you get a /whois?
[05:09] <Berg> not i was too late
[05:09] <Berg> hoNotInTheMood	ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A HELP CHANNEL WHERE THE HELP DON'T KNOW SHIT BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY DON'T SHIT THEY WILL SPEND 10 MINS JERKING YOUR CHAIN?? LOOK NO FURTHER THAN #UBUNTU A CHANNEL FULL OF DUMB NIGGERS THAT DON'T KNOW SHIT!!
[05:10] <Ferboten> RIP
[05:12] <Berg> anyway i hope you catch up with him
[05:12] <parsnip> oh gud, now you don't have to PM me
[05:13] <Berg> im noit im gone like a shot out pof a gun i did give you the info have a good dasy
[05:13] <Berg> :)
[05:14] <Berg> this was someone else gave me
[05:14] <Berg> [15:07]	===	hoNotInTheMood ~ufetr 2a01:4f8:c0c:3879::2 * uuigte
[05:14] <Berg> [15:07]	===	hoNotInTheMood: attached to moon.freenode.net “Thu May 24 04:59:01 2018”
[05:14] <Berg> [15:07]	---	honotinthemood End of WHOWAS
[05:14] <Berg> bye
[05:14] <PagliaccisCloud> wow this place has nonstop action lol
[05:15] <PagliaccisCloud> it's quiet over in rpmworld
[05:15] <plaintext> Someone just dropped through my uni's irc channels to flame #ubuntu
[05:15] <parsnip> Does someone from PEORIA have a SHORTER ATTENTION span than me?
[05:16] <parsnip> were you guys recently dicks to someone?
[05:16] <parsnip> can you try to be nicer maybe
[05:17] <plaintext> The guy did not seem stable. daggeraj or something.
[05:18] <Two_Dogs> i prefer drone no drama real help
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[06:31] <Norux> Hi. I have kubuntu on a computer, and now I put 3 SSDs in there to make it use a RAID-5. How do I now setup the raid and copy all the data from my current hard drive? I want the RAID to be bootable
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> !raid | Norux start here
[06:32] <ubottu> Norux start here: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[06:33] <Norux> lotuspsychje: but that raid won't be bootable then, right
[06:34] <Triffid_Hunter> Norux: well typically you'd put a small raid1 for EFI and grub then initramfs for early userspace so the kernel can get the raid5 set up
[06:34] <the_cuckoo> hi - trying to upgrade to 18.04 - running into a problem with some network routing - can anyone help me migrate: "route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 gw server" to ip route?
[06:34] <the_cuckoo> or point me to somewhere which will help :)
[06:35] <Triffid_Hunter> the_cuckoo: ip route add 10.0.0.0/8 via server ?
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[06:35] <the_cuckoo> ah :) - trying - thanks
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> the_cuckoo: wich ubuntu version are you on currently?
[06:36] <the_cuckoo> 16.04
[06:36] <jeffguorg> hi, need some help about network configurations. i've got a laptop running ubuntu. the problem is that i can't make nic work. the current profile is created by nmtui. i choosed static network and add 2 ip for it. but after i connect it to a switch and activate the profile, the interface is sill down, and ip addr like this: ```enp4s0f1: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state DOWN group default qlen 1000```
[06:38] <jeffguorg> and i cannot see any packet when i use wireshark to check this nic
[06:38] <Triffid_Hunter> jeffguorg: no carrier means it thinks it's not plugged in, check your cable and maybe have a play with mii-tool
[06:38] <jeffguorg> ooops, i mean when i plug the cable it's still down
[06:40] <jeffguorg> and...interesting...my switch light up but the output is still the same...wired
[06:42] <Dbugger> is there an app that could give me a reminder every X minutes
[06:42] <Triffid_Hunter> jeffguorg: sounds like bad cable, try another :P
[06:43] <jeffguorg> Dbugger, you can try crontab and notify-send command
[06:44] <jeffguorg> Triffid_Hunter: i already tried three or more. maybe it's something about my card. there is 'device enp4s0f1 entered promiscuous mode' in dmesg
[06:45] <Norux> Triffid_Hunter: how do I do that? I feel a bit overwhelmed :(
[06:47] <jeffguorg> huh...it's wireshark. maybe i need to gather more information...but i have no clue what is wrong
[06:49] <jeffguorg> Norux, with software raid, you can first partition your drives and create a part on each of your drives, make them a raid-1 array. and use it as a boot partition
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[06:51] <tele> any one here ?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> !ask | tele
[06:51] <ubottu> tele: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[06:52] <Dbugger> jeffguorg, i was hoping something less technical
[06:53] <hellyeah> how can i solve this error http://dpaste.com/3TZWF9G
[06:55] <ejpark> join #fubabaz
[06:56] <hellyeah> what
[06:56] <jeffguorg> Dbugger, like this?https://askubuntu.com/questions/401807/pop-up-reminder-and-todo-app
[06:59] <Dbugger> jeffguorg, I found that link before, but if I understood correctly that is for having post-its in the desktop. What I want is a reminder popping up exactly after X minutes
[07:00] <tele> hello  i have graphic problem on my ubuntu 16.04 my graphic card is intel HD Graphics 400(Braswell) when i played video it cames with low resolution
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> hellyeah: did you add external ppa's to your system?
[07:01] <hellyeah> yes
[07:01] <hellyeah> as tutorial suggested
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> hellyeah: we dont reccomend adding external ppa's, as they can scramble your ubuntu system
[07:02] <hellyeah> that is what i added deb http://www.rabbitmq.com/debian/ testing main
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | hellyeah
[07:02] <ubottu> hellyeah: To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> hellyeah: we reccomend using only packages from the official repos
[07:03] <hellyeah> so no ppa anymore
[07:03] <hellyeah> okay i got it
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> hellyeah: after you clean your ppa's, sudo apt update after
[07:04] <hellyeah> let me show you my sources.list
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> hellyeah: in a hastebin plz
[07:04] <hellyeah> sure
[07:04] <the_cuckoo> Triffid_Hunter: thanks - that worked just fine :)
[07:05] <hellyeah> lotuspsychje,  anything wrong here https://hastebin.com/eyozoxohem.nginx
[07:05] <hellyeah> ?
[07:06] <Triffid_Hunter> the_cuckoo: iproute2 syntax is a bit simpler than the old route tool :)
[07:07] <the_cuckoo> yeah - much cleaner :)
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> hellyeah: looks good
[07:07] <hellyeah> okay
[07:08] <jeffguorg> iproute2 and firewalld is much simpler than ifconfig and iptables
[07:09] <jeffguorg> Triffid_Hunter: starting to think there's something wrong with the switch
[07:11] <hellyeah> i still couldnt rabbitmq-server
[07:12] <jeffguorg> hellyeah, would you mind use docker for a while? i think it's a good solution if you don't want your system polluted by ppa or 3rd party repositories
[07:13] <hellyeah> i dont have to use ppa
[07:13] <hellyeah> that is fine i just need to install rabbitmq-server
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[07:16] <hellyeah> this is what i got https://hastebin.com/ugijiwejul.vbs
[07:16] <jeffguorg> try apt install -f first. or use apt or dpkg to remove the package first
[07:17] <hellyeah> i tried -f
[07:18] <hellyeah> nothing is installed
[07:20] <hellyeah> dont you recommend to use this wget https://packages.erlang-solutions.com/erlang-solutions_1.0_all.deb
[07:21] <hellyeah> hmm
[07:22] <jeffguorg> there is two path to satisfy your need. one is you need to add a ppa, which maybe you missed when you were installing rabbitmq. another path is to follow https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/ and use docker to run a rabbitmq instance
[07:22] <hellyeah> let me check
[07:23] <jeffguorg> if you choosed to add ppa, plz read the rabbitmq's guide again or send a email to them for help
[07:26] <hellyeah> i dont use ppa as you suggested
[07:29] <tele> exit
[07:30] <luftraum> Привет, есть кто?
[07:31] <hellyeah> deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu xenial stable
[07:31] <hellyeah> that give me error
[07:31] <hellyeah> sorry my mistake
[07:37] <jlnl> Odd question here: how can I give a normal user the rights to (un)mount diskettes with read-only access on an external floppy drive? (attached to machine via USB)
[07:43] <hellyeah> no one here?
[07:43] <hellyeah> pls help me to solve rabbitmq problem
[07:44] <Triffid_Hunter> jlnl: put 'user' in the options field in the fstab entry
[07:45] <Two_Dogs> hellyeah: explain issue
[07:46] <hellyeah> this is the problem https://hastebin.com/ugijiwejul.vbs
[07:47] <hellyeah> there is dependency problem
[07:47] <hellyeah> Two_Dogs,  do you know anything about this?
[07:49] <Two_Dogs> hellyeah: you need erlang-nox
[07:49] <Flannel> hellyeah: Please pastebin `apt-cache policy rabbitmq-server erlang-nox esl-erlang init-system-helpers`
[07:50] <hellyeah> Flannel,  https://hastebin.com/eqapujovax.rb here
[07:53] <Flannel> hellyeah: So, your problem is that the package from bintray isn't compatible with the version of erlang in xenial.
[07:53] <Flannel> hellyeah: Sounds like a packaging issue on the bintray people's side.
[07:53] <hellyeah> i dont have that link in my sources.list
[07:54] <Flannel> hellyeah: You probably have it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[07:54] <hellyeah> all of them are xeinal
[07:54] <hellyeah> let me check
[07:54] <hellyeah> yeah ,
[07:54] <Flannel> hellyeah: Yes, the bintray versions are "xenial", but the package in that bintray xenial repository isn't compatible with xenial
[07:54] <hellyeah> let me remove those
[07:55] <hellyeah> hmm
[07:55] <hellyeah> what will i do?
[07:55] <Flannel> hellyeah: Once you remove them, do `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install rabbitmq-server`
[07:55] <hellyeah> okey in the bianty file there is xenial repo
[07:56] <hellyeah> let me try
[07:56] <Flannel> hellyeah: You were using the "xenial" repo in bintray already, it obviously isn't tested with xenial, because it's broken.
[07:56] <hellyeah> i removed files
[07:56] <hellyeah> try and update repo
[07:56] <hellyeah> okay
[07:56] <hellyeah> it is now good
[07:57] <Flannel> hellyeah: Good to hear.
[07:57] <hellyeah> anyway i leanrt smt new
[07:57] <hellyeah> thanks for that : )
[07:57] <Flannel> hellyeah: Your welcome
[07:57] <Flannel> You're, even.
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[08:04] <ande_> Hi all! Tell me please.
[08:05] <ande_> How i can know what is desktop environment install from my computer?
[08:07] <auronandace> ande_: show us a picture and we can tell you what desktop environment you are using
[08:08] <ande_> how i can show you picture? screnn shot?
[08:08] <auronandace> ande_: yes, take a screenshot or even use a camera, then upload it to an image sharing site and post a link here
[08:09] <Two_Dogs> ande_:  copy/paste & execute via terminal> sudo apt install inxi ; inxi -Fxx ## should explain alot about your system
[08:09] <ande_> Ohhh...
[08:10] <ande_> Give me a few minutes please< Im get a translator first
[08:10] <amosbird> hi, why does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware split the firmwares into three packages ?
[08:10] <ande_> Im bad speak and understand english:)
[08:14] <wildermind> hey
[08:14] <ande_> echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[08:14] <ande_> this is command
[08:15] <jlnl> Triffid_Hunter, thank you!
[08:16] <auronandace> ande_: what output do you get from that command?
[08:16] <ande_> what mean output?
[08:16] <ande_> terminal
[08:16] <auronandace> ande_: when you put that command in the terminal what does it say?
[08:16] <wildermind> I have a weird thing going on, I see my wifi interface but the network-manager doesn't see any networks. eth0 works fine.
[08:17] <wildermind> here are all the details of my situation: https://pastebin.com/7MaHgKj9
[08:17] <ande_> Aaaa))
[08:17] <ande_> auronandace: X-Cinnamon)
[08:17] <auronandace> ande_: there you go, you seem to be running cinnamon
[08:18] <SimonNL> lsb_release -d     for version
[08:18] <ande_> auronandace: Yes, im understand.
[08:18] <ande_> auronandace: maybe you say me. How i can know all my DE? :)
[08:19] <auronandace> ande_: do you remember installing more than one desktop environment?
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[08:20] <ande_> auronandace: I know i get unity, cinnamon, and kodi. But i have know emm
[08:20] <ande_> auronandace: i dont know this word, second please
[08:21] <ande_> auronandace: фмфшдфиду
[08:21] <ande_> auronandace: available
[08:22] <auronandace> ande_: available means ready to use or ready to access
[08:25] <wildermind> anyone?
[08:25] <ande_> auronandace: thank you very match!
[08:26] <RaptorJesus> profalljf really likes you guys
[08:27] <zetheroo> just started seeing this on one of my systems:  warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 3819 package 'semaphore'
[08:28] <zetheroo> what does this mean?
[08:29] <Outy> Hello there =)  I have a litte prob with 18.04. When I mount a network share manual in terminal it does not appear in Thunar anymore. How can this be fixed?
[08:30] <ande_> hm, compiz not work on cinnamon?
[08:30] <Outy> Sorry forgot to mention, I'm on Xubuntu
[08:35] <karstenk> Hello! Have fresh install of Xenial, but no auto complet in shell or the informations about libarys, when using a not existing execution
[08:35] <karstenk> what I have to install to get this?
[08:37] <tomreyn> karstenk: install bash-completion command-not-found
[08:39] <tomreyn> zetheroo: that your dpkg (debian package) database is corrupt.
[08:40] <tomreyn> though this message appears to be cut off
[08:40] <zetheroo> tomreyn: the whole message is: dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 3792 package 'semaphore':
[08:40] <zetheroo>  missing maintainer
[08:41] <areckx> so just FYI there's some dude joining channels and pinging everyone spamming all caps not to go to #ubuntu
[08:41] <tomreyn> zetheroo: looks like you installed some badly maintained package
[08:41] <areckx> ramshadow something
[08:42] <areckx> he just spammed #valgrind
[08:42] <tomreyn> areckx: it's a botnet, the names change. there is #uubntu-ops if you'd like to report this, but i think they'll be aware by now. and let's stick to just support here.
[08:43] <areckx> probably lol
[08:46] <tomreyn> zetheroo: in an attempt to identify the improperly formatted package you have installed, you can run: egrep '^Maintainer:[[:blank:]]*$' /var/lib/dpkg/status 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:46] <tomreyn> zetheroo: in an attempt to identify the improperly formatted package you have installed, you can run: egrep -C10 '^Maintainer:[[:blank:]]*$' /var/lib/dpkg/status 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:47] <tomreyn> oh actuall yit states the package in the warning, ignore me ;-)
[08:47] <zetheroo> tomreyn: neither command returns anything
[08:48] <tomreyn> zetheroo: to identify the third party package repository which you should reconsider using: apt-cache policy semaphore
[08:48] <Ubu-1604> well this ubuntu is very impressive ... are there other desktops I can download? .. like i want a better taskbar and folders to put icons in.
[08:48] <tomreyn> zetheroo: to uninstall the package causing it and to get rid of the warning run: sudo apt purge semaphore
[08:49] <tomreyn> && sudo apt update
[08:49] <zetheroo> output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qh8PWJct9t/
[08:50] <zetheroo> ok, though I am not sure why it was installed to begin with, or what might be needing/using it
[08:50] <tomreyn> zetheroo: so you don't even have an apt repository configured for this package, it's a foreign package of unknown origin
[08:50] <zetheroo> it may have been pulled in from a Zabbix perl script I installed
[08:50] <zetheroo> so I'll leave it for now :)
[08:51] <tomreyn> zetheroo: if you'd like to identify other such packages, there's a script fooreign_packages at https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts
[08:51] <zetheroo> cool!
[08:51] <tomreyn> zetheroo: the package you have there will never get updates nor security patches.
[08:52] <wildermind> I have a weird thing going on, I see my wifi interface but the network-manager doesn't see any networks. eth0 works fine.
[08:52] <wildermind> here are all the details of my situation: https://pastebin.com/7MaHgKj9
[08:52] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: you can install several desktops side by side on ubuntu, and switch between them at login.
[08:52] <senaa> pls help https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pT2PjDgD/P80524-154519.jpg
[08:52] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: look for the *-desktop packages
[08:54] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: thanks for replying :) .. this is my first time here .. I usually do DOS a fair amount, but this box came with ubuntu 16.04 and I made everything upto date version wise (firefox/OS patches) .. this OS is very fast .. web browser wise .. I use it for videos and youtube video testing.
[08:55] <tomreyn> If you're used to DOS, you will *love* working with a shell in a terminal.
[08:56] <senaa> help kernel panic not syncing : vfs https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/l2n4F1t3/P80524-154519.jpg
[08:56] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: several desktops? .. as in different GUI's for linus you mean? .. I like this ubuntu a fair amount .. I was just hoping maybe a hbetter taskbar had been made, the standard one just seems to hold locked icons, I can't make icons directly on the ubuntu desktop?
[08:56] <Ubu-1604> linus=linux
[08:56] <hellyeah> anyone knows anything about that problem . /usr/share/code/bin/../code: error while loading shared libraries: libXtst.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:57] <tomreyn> ubuntulog: apt-cache pkgnames | grep '.*buntu.*-desktop$'
[08:59] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: the above command lists different desktop variants for ubuntu. you can run "apt-cache show NAME" (replacing NAME by each of these) to get more information on them. they are different GUIs basically, yes.
[09:00] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: just changing the design of the taskbar ("panel") may or may not be possible, there may be some 'tweak' utilities to enable this.
[09:01] <tomreyn> !details hellyeah
[09:01] <tomreyn> !details | hellyeah
[09:01] <ubottu> hellyeah: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel.
[09:01] <hellyeah> i installed code
[09:01] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: ok i saved that grep line ... I am not as one would say 'an expert' on unix much at all ... I did look through that 'Ubuntu Software' utility, but nothing was there for any 'desktop' enhancements .. I just like the easy 'INSTALL' button to click .. grep is a bit much for someone like me ;)
[09:01] <hellyeah> vscode i just try to open it this is what i got
[09:02] <tomreyn> senaa: the root file system (as configured in grub) cannot be found.
[09:03] <tomreyn> senaa: what did you do before this? did it ever work? if so, what changed?
[09:03] <auronandace> Ubu-1604: you may want to try synaptic as an alternative to the software centre. synptic can show you all the packages
[09:04] <tomreyn> hellyeah: you will probably need to install some additional libraries which it depends on. re-read the instructions, or try to determine the packages you need to install based on the error messages you will see.
[09:05] <tomreyn> hellyeah: for example, this libXtst.so.6 file will most likely be provided by the "libxtst6" package.
[09:05] <hellyeah> right
[09:06] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: i'm with auronandace there, install synaptic for a graphical front-end to installing packages.
[09:06] <senaa> tomreyn: in case when after upgrade ubuntu 18.04 from ubuntu 17.10
[09:07] <senaa> tomreyn: my ubuntu  freeze purple screen before login
[09:07] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: or just use 'apt' on a terminal if you're comfortable with it. it is simpler than it may seem at first.
[09:08] <senaa> tomreyn: after that I restart my ubuntu then edit squiet splash and add acpi off
[09:08] <tomreyn> senaa: when was there the frozen purple screen? during the ubuntu 17.10 -> 18.04 upgrade, before or after it?
[09:08] <senaa> tomreyn: after it
[09:09] <senaa> tomreyn: after edit acpi off my ubuntu kernel panic not syncing vfs huh
[09:09] <tomreyn> senaa: and the kernel panic on your screen shot was after you rebooted again and edited grub and removed (?) "quiet splash" and added "acpi=off"?
[09:12] <senaa> tomreyn: yes after reboot and remove queit splash
[09:12] <wildermind> is it possible to reinstall only the core system of ubuntu? (keeping all the installed programs and configs)
[09:12] <tomreyn> senaa: was the upgrade itself successful? did it say so?
[09:13] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: if you know what packages you want reinstalled then simple
[09:14] <wildermind> hmmm, I want to purge&reinstall all the kernel modules and network related stuff
[09:14] <senaa> tomreyn: after upgrade ,my ubuntu sucessfull when I restart, my ubuntu frozen purple screen before I login then i edit quiet splash after that kernel panic not syncing vsf
[09:16] <tomreyn> senaa: try to boot with just "quiet" and "splash" removed, see if it still panics
[09:16] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: so you need to reinstall at least two kernel and all of packages 'net' specific
[09:16] <auctus> can i turn off the print screen screenshot thing? I keep accidentally hitting that button and its annoying
[09:16] <auctus> because F12 is also the print key if i dont have f-lock toggled, stupid keyboard
[09:16] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: if you dont have synaptic installed, do so
[09:16] <wildermind> Two_Dogs: how can I know the packages names? (and how can I reinstall with the `purging` too?)
[09:17] <tomreyn> wildermind: what is the issue you're trying to solve by this?
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[09:17] <wildermind> I have a weird thing going on, I see my wifi interface but the network-manager doesn't see any networks. eth0 works fine.
[09:17] <wildermind> here are all the details of my situation: https://pastebin.com/7MaHgKj9
[09:17] <senaa> how to change tom ? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LzV8a9nd/irccloudcapture2109037353.jpg
[09:17] <pythonick> hello
[09:17] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: is this after an upgrade?
[09:18] <pythonick> how can i upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 ?
[09:19] <wildermind> Two_Dogs: no. It just happened somehow
[09:19] <tomreyn> senaa: move the cursor to the left of "quiet", then press the 'delete' key until both "quiet" and "splash" are gone, then press ctrl-x
[09:19] <tomreyn> pythonick: not supported, yet, see the 18.04 release notes
[09:21] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: i did not see eth0 on your pastebin
[09:21] <tomreyn> pythonick: if you still want to do it, possibly breaking your system, you'll need to run "sudo update-manager -cd"
[09:21] <pythonick> hmm ok
[09:21] <pythonick> i wait
[09:21] <pythonick> :D
[09:22] <senaa> like this tomreyn ? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zN7vub0X/irccloudcapture612586383.jpg
[09:22] <wildermind> Two_Dogs: that's because there's no Etherenet connection in my laptop, i'm connected right now through a docking station. btw this is dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hRWSqhYCvN/
[09:25] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: Sorry the web chat client died .. I quickly install a irc chat client (quassel) .. yes that ubuntu software install program works nice .. to bad it doesn't  link to the most current versions of programs though :\
[09:26] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: what version of ubuntu?
[09:26] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: I think it was you i was talking with earlier .. almost 3:30am here .. I'm in the midle of canada
[09:26] <wildermind> 16.04
[09:27] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: copy/paste & execute via terminal> aptitude upgrade -sy | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[09:27] <tomreyn> senaa: correct
[09:28] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: thats a simulation, dont add anything to it
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[09:28] <tomreyn> !latest | Ubu-1604
[09:28] <ubottu> Ubu-1604: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.
[09:28] <wildermind> Two_Dogs: why use netcat and not just `patebinit`?
[09:28] <Ubu-1604> heheheeh awsome BOT ya got there tom ;)
[09:28] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: yes, we were talking
[09:28] <tomreyn> !irclogs | Ubu-1604
[09:28] <ubottu> Ubu-1604: Official channel logs can be found at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too. Meetingology logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/
[09:29] <senaa> tomreyn: huh same error
[09:29] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: i dont care what you use, as long as the dump is complete
[09:30] <wildermind> Two_Dogs: http://termbin.com/u3pd
[09:30] <tomreyn> Two_Dogs: would you not want to 'update' beforehand (or does aptitude do it automatically? haven't used it in a while...)
[09:31] <Two_Dogs> tomreyn: almost any aptitude command related to add/remove shows where there are dep issues, like his
[09:31] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: I'm pretty 'old skool' as it were .. I was doing irc back in the days when Efnet was just geting started over my modem :) ... Anyway, yes I would like to setup a good FTP server using the ubuntu unix server as the back end .. I am not familiar with Ubuntu server end products .. I assume I can install some Ubuntu server (v18.X) freeware as it were (open source)?
[09:32] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: Then but $ support for it as I was reading about the support programs Ubuntu/Canonical provides?
[09:33] <tomreyn> Two_Dogs / wildermind: apparently this firmware version is broken https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg167767.html
[09:33] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: copy/paste & execute via terminal> journalctl -b --pri=3 | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[09:33] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn:  but=pay (sorry I look at the keyboard when I type .. so some typo's) .. meaning I would pay money for support where ever that is offered .. as I said I just started reading the products/support ubuntu/Canonical has .. looks to be a fair amount available :)))
[09:34] <tomreyn> senaa: okay, but you may have more output now, can you show it again?
[09:34] <Ubu-1604> brb ... break
[09:34] <wildermind> Two_Dogs: http://termbin.com/1r0w3
[09:35] <tomreyn> senaa: and once you did, retry with both quiet + splash removed (so like now) but also add "nomodeset", and take another screenshot.
[09:35] <wildermind> Two_Dogs: I just saw this in /var/log/apt/history.log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qxHn3T66HM/
[09:39] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: copy/paste & execute via terminal> cat /var/log/dpkg* | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
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[09:40] <wildermind> Two_Dogs: http://termbin.com/thlw
[09:41] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: you can install ubuntu server 18.04 (or any other supported version) for free, and get community support for free as well. there are also commercial support offerings by canonical and some of their partners / licensses as well as unrelated freelancers / standaloine companies.
[09:41] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: linux (ubuntu is a linux distribution) is not unix (though somewhat similar). the best ftp server is usually considered to be vsftpd, but it's not so well suited for use cases. generally, ftp servers are slowly leaving this planet since we're trying hard to phase out legacy protocols which do not support proper transport encryption.
[09:43] <tomreyn> wildermind: yes this is going to be your issue
[09:43] <tomreyn> you can either downgrade the firmware or upgrade the kernel, either should work based on https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg167767.html
[09:43] <Outy> why does   gio mount //192.168.x.x/folder    not work?  syntax error here ?
[09:44] <tomreyn> "this" -> the upgrade of linux-firmware from 1.157.17 to 1.157.18
[09:44] <Outy> it gives me: volume doesn't implement mount
[09:44] <wildermind> tomreyn: so what kernel version / firmware version to install?
[09:45] <tomreyn> wildermind: actually which linux version are you running?
[09:46] <wildermind> Ubuntu 16.04, linux: 4.14.0-041400-generic
[09:47] <Ubu-1604> back .. reading
[09:47] <jj15> If I run "ssh web@host 'bash -s' < provision.sh" can I still use environment variables in the script on my development machine and make those values/variables available to the script on the remote host?
[09:48] <upgreydd> hello. Can someone help me with `snap` in `ubuntu` ?
[09:48] <tomreyn> wildermind: i dont think this is an official package. did you build it yourself? can you show "cat /proc/version" ?
[09:48] <auronandace> !snap | upgreydd
[09:48] <upgreydd> !snap
[09:49] <upgreydd> !snapd
[09:49] <blackflow> incredibly, the bot has no factoid on snaps. only !snappy
[09:49] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[09:49] <ubottu> linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 (source: linux-meta-hwe): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.13.0.43.62 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; armhf; arm64; ppc64el; s390x)
[09:49] <wildermind> tomreyn: `Linux version 4.14.0-041400-generic (kernel@kathleen) (gcc version 7.2.0 (Ubuntu 7.2.0-8ubuntu3)) #201711122031 SMP Sun Nov 12 20:32:29 UTC 2017`
[09:49] <blackflow> !snappy
[09:49] <ubottu> Ubuntu Core is a rendition of Ubuntu with transactional updates using "snappy". For discussion and support, please visit #snappy and see http://www.ubuntu.com/snappy/
[09:49] <auronandace> upgreydd: sorry, i thought there was a factoid on it
[09:49] <upgreydd> auronandace: no problem
[09:50] <tomreyn> wildermind: that's dangerously old. you won't have any meltdown / spectre patches. and it's not a supported ubuntu kernel.
[09:51] <wildermind> i'm installing right now these: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z54z9TYFBK/
[09:51] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: the gorked state of the system seems intentional
[09:51] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: no apparmor
[09:52] <wildermind> it was long ago since I installed my system but it might be intentional because of some bugs with the mouse
[09:52] <tomreyn> wildermind: for ubuntu 16.04, your offical kernel image choices are provided by the packages linux-image-generic, linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04, linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[09:54] <tomreyn> so you end up with one (or more of) linux 4.4, 4.13, 4.15
[09:55] <wildermind> i'm installing 4.16 right now, and I need to go to eat, sorry. i'll be afk for a while
[09:55] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: if you have to do kernel regression for mouse bugs i would suggest a new mouse
[09:55] <wildermind> (I meant touchpad)
[09:56] <Two_Dogs> wildermind: get a mouse
[09:57] <Dro> Hello, by mistake I deleted a folder with rm -rf , is there a where to restore it ?
[09:57] <Dro> way*
[09:57] <Two_Dogs> Dro: not a painless way no
[09:58] <Two_Dogs> Dro: unless you do backups?
[09:58] <Dro> Two_Dogs: I don't have a backup :(
[09:59] <Two_Dogs> Dro: what folder?
[10:00] <Dro> Two_Dogs: normal folder under /var/www/html/
[10:02] <tomreyn> wildermind: as a result of your custom kernel, your system lacked mitigation of grave security bugs (including 'meltdown') for the past 6 months.
[10:02] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: actually this Pure-ftpd looks to be one I'll check out .. has a GUI at least ... thanks for your help :) .. I'll join here again sometime soonish ... time for zzz
[10:02] <bobdobbs> Hi. I updated from 17.10 to 18.04 a few days ago. Since then I've had constant issues with apt. Every time I do 'apt-get dist upgrade' I get errors.  I'm pretty much always getting an error related to dpkg failing to process a package
[10:02] <bobdobbs> This is what I'm getting presently: https://hastebin.com/iwecawagis.sql
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[10:03] <Two_Dogs> Dro: good luck
[10:03] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: its security track record is not awesome, but good luck + good night.
[10:04] <Ubu-1604> tomreyn: Well there seems to be a fair number of ftp servers available I can try ..I'll let ya know how it goes ... nitenite :)
[10:05] <tomreyn> Dro: consider it a good reminder that you need to have complete, current, and actually restorable (ideally remote/off-site) backups.
[10:05] <Dro> tomreyn: Two_Dogs i'm fine now :D
[10:05] <Dro> hopefully phpstorm was opened
[10:05] <Dro> I recovered the whole folder with it
[10:05] <Dro> but .git folder is lost
[10:06] <Dro> and maybe some other folders
[10:06] <tomreyn> Dro: you wont be fine until you have backups of important data.
[10:06] <tomreyn> (i'm glad to learn you got lucky this time around though)
[10:06] <Dro> tomreyn: I have a backup, but not for my current work (under dev)
[10:06] <Dro> but always using git to backup my data :)
[10:06] <tomreyn> so get one
[10:07] <tomreyn> git's a source code management / revision tracking system (and a whole lot of other things), but not a complete backup solution.
[10:08] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: was that pastebin the output of some upgrade?
[10:08] <hanabishi> hello everyone
[10:09] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: yes. That's the output of apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:09] <bobdobbs>  
[10:09] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: ok
[10:10] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: I'm basically trying up update packages without these errors
[10:10] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: copy/paste & execute via terminal> sudo apt update ; aptitude safe-upgrade -sy | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[10:10] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: as shown
[10:11] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: aptitude does a better resolve if there is one
[10:11] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: ok...
[10:11] <geirha> have you installed cairo from a ppa?   what's the output of   apt-cache policy cairo-dock-core cairo-dock-data
[10:11] <tomreyn> Two_Dogs: your issue is probably in mixing ubuntu packages with 3rd party packages. what does "apt-cache policy cairo-dock-core" return?
[10:12] <Two_Dogs> tomreyn: not my issue
[10:12] <tomreyn> sorry
[10:12] <Two_Dogs> :)
[10:12] <tomreyn> bobdobbs: your issue is probably in mixing ubuntu packages with 3rd party packages. what does "apt-cache policy cairo-dock-core" return?
[10:13] <bobdobbs> tomreyn, geirha will catch up with your messages soon. I'm presently following instructions from Two_Dogs
[10:13] <geirha> include the data package while you're at it   apt-cache policy cairo-dock-core cairo-dock-data
[10:13] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: the instructions you used for the dist did not mention disable ppa?
[10:13] <tomreyn> bobdobbs: okay, you can ignore mine and just follow geirha's
[10:13] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: I wasn't following any instructions for the dist. It's just a command I know
[10:14] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: ok, lets see what aptitude says
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[10:14] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: http://termbin.com/msl0
[10:15] <tomreyn> Two_Dogs: i disagree about "aptitude does a better resolve [than apt / apt-get]" for ubuntu releases since 16.04.
[10:15] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: does that ouutput mean that the issue was resolved?
[10:16] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: no, means that real run would probably fix issue, as shown on the dump
[10:16] <geirha> looks like it intends to remove the conflicting package, so that may resolve it. The -s means it's only simulating though
[10:16] <Two_Dogs> tomreyn: all i ever used on ubuntu is aptitude
[10:17] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: care to try the actual as per resolve sim?
[10:17] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: how do I do the "real run"?
[10:17] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs:  copy/paste & execute via terminal> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[10:18] <bobdobbs> k
[10:18] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: i assume you did do the sudo apt update
[10:18] <bobdobbs> I did one earlier
[10:19] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: do now if not done with the aptitude simulation
[10:19] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: I'm already running 'aptitude safe-upgrade'
[10:19] <bobdobbs> ah, sorry. misread your last
[10:19] <lorrenuy> Is thee some way that the genome extensions are active for all user?
[10:19] <bobdobbs> when the upgrade is done then I'll tdo the update
[10:20] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: no
[10:20] <Two_Dogs> thats sort of backwards
[10:20] <Ulrar> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu server (18.04 looks like) but I cannot find the LVM tab in the installer
[10:20] <bobdobbs> the upgrade is done. It returns the same error as before
[10:20] <bobdobbs> so I should do the update now?
[10:20] <Ulrar> Is there any way to just get a shell like and set that up myself like in debian ?
[10:20] <tomreyn> Ulrar: that's because there is none, in the (now) default installer, sadly.
[10:20] <Ulrar> ...
[10:20] <Ulrar> That's nuts.
[10:21] <Ulrar> 17 should have it then ?
[10:21] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: do 'sudo apt update'
[10:21] <tomreyn> Ulrar: i concur. but there is still the old installer availabel as an alternative download.
[10:21] <Ulrar> Ah
[10:21] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: k
[10:21] <Ulrar> do you have a link ?
[10:21] <tomreyn> the old installer mechanism, as a 18.04 installer.
[10:21] <tomreyn> Ulrar: the page you downloaded the iso from has a link
[10:21] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: is there a ppa added for cairo dock?
[10:22] <lorrenuy> Is thee some way that the genome extensions are active for all user?
[10:22] <Ulrar> Ah, found it
[10:22] <Ulrar> thanks
[10:23] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: the update completed. I don't know if there's a ppa added for cairo dock
[10:24] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: ok
[10:25] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: so what do I do now?
[10:25] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: cairo is causing dep hell, or was
[10:26] <bobdobbs> should I uninstall it? I'm not really sure what it is
[10:26] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: copy/paste & execute via terminal> aptitude purge -sy ~ncairo | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[10:27] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: that nifty dock that looks like an ipad
[10:27] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: I'm not even sure if I have that
[10:27] <bobdobbs> maybe I have it installed and never use it. I just use the default desktop environment
[10:28] <Two_Dogs> well, the system thinks it does
[10:28] <Two_Dogs> bob^^
[10:29] <steven> Hi, eh I was here the other day trying to figure out why my server (actual server, no vps) went offline. so far all I was able to find was the fact that the NIC's are gone
[10:30] <steven> like, eno1 is literally not listed anymore. so I went ahead and bought a usb to nic adapter, plugged it in, nothing
[10:30] <steven> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9cVmCtxCgX/ the system seems to detect it tho
[10:30] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: http://termbin.com/p21w
[10:31] <bobdobbs> Looks like removing it will remove a lot of other stuff
[10:32] <bobdobbs> but it will also remove gimp? that's off
[10:32] <bobdobbs> *odd
[10:32] <bobdobbs> and it'll remove gnome-core as well? I think I need that
[10:33] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: yeah, looks like a bad idea
[10:33] <senaa> tomreyn: hei
[10:33] <bobdobbs> well dang. I'm stuck with a broken package
[10:33] <senaa> like this tomreyn ? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Tsjw8HqP/irccloudcapture934720965.jpg
[10:33] <geirha> bobdobbs: have you pastebined the apt-cache policy command from earlier?
[10:34] <bobdobbs> geirha: which one? I've just been following directions from Two_Dogs
[10:34] <senaa> tomreyn : update my error  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lRtd11bq/irccloudcapture1435162369.jpg
[10:34] <geirha> bobdobbs: apt-cache policy cairo-dock-core cairo-dock-data
[10:34] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: the one geirha ask for earlier
[10:34] <bobdobbs> https://hastebin.com/nopegerigi.scala
[10:36] <geirha> right, so cairo-dock-data is only available locally. It was likely installed via a ppa
[10:36] <bobdobbs> ok
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[10:37] <bobdobbs> does that information point to a possible solution?
[10:37] <Two_Dogs> geirha: a ppa not presently enabled?
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[10:37] <geirha> all ppas are disabled during upgrade
[10:38] <tomreyn> steven: unfortunate shopping: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1622322
[10:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1622322 in linux (Ubuntu) "Realtek 8153-based ethernet adapter doesn't work" [High,Confirmed]
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[10:39] <geirha> bobdobbs: pastebin this:   tail -n+1 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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[10:40] <bobdobbs> https://hastebin.com/ulorikotof.php
[10:40] <tomreyn> bobdobbs: a script to identify outdated packages without installation candidate / upgrade path is available at https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts - "foreign_packages"
[10:40] <geirha> ouch, that's a lot
[10:40] <steven> seriously. the guys in the amazon reviews said it worked out of the box with ubuntu
[10:42] <geirha> bobdobbs: would help to know which ppa that cairo package came from, but there's too many possibilities there
[10:43] <tomreyn> senaa: yes, like this. unfortunately the relevant information has scrolled off the screen on the latest screenshot which ends with  "---[ end trace" ...
[10:43] <geirha> bobdobbs: does    sudo apt remove cairo-dock-data   try to pull a lot of other packages with it?
[10:46] <bobdobbs> geirha: I don't think i should try and remove anything to do with cairo. I might end up removing a bunch of stuff that I need, like gimp
[10:47] <geirha> possibly, but it will ask you for confirmation first, so try and see, and answer "no" if it tries to bring down "everything"
[10:48] <geirha> not that apt remove cairo-dock-data   is way less scary than aptitude remove ~ncairo
[10:48] <geirha> *noe
[10:48] <geirha> *note
[10:48] <bobdobbs> This is the output: https://hastebin.com/hucomutuli.sql
[10:48] <Two_Dogs> geirha: dont do actual scary , do -sy for simulation
[10:49] <bobdobbs> Two_Dogs: ok
[10:50] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: geirha solution looks like a resolve
[10:50] <bobdobbs> hm?
[10:51] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: wait, my bad, i am not sure how -sy works with apt or apt-get, i only use aptitude
[10:53] <Two_Dogs> geirha: and good job, i went for purge of all 'cairo' , i dont understand how cairo is such a dep for his install, but it is
[10:57] <pagnol> hi, my /boot partition filled up with old kernel images again so I deleted some old ones to free up some space, but apt-get install -f would replace them every time
[10:57] <pagnol> thereby hitting the limit anew
[10:57] <steven> tomreyn: so that means, there is still no way to figure out whether the issue is HW or SW based?
[10:58] <wildermind> tomreyn: Two_Dogs i'm back
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:02] <bobdobbs> So at this point what do I do?
[11:05] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: do as geirha suggested
[11:08] <bobdobbs> I think geirha suggested removing cairo-dock? But if I do that then I lose a lot of other stuff
[11:08] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: his suggestion was removal of one specific package
[11:09] <bobdobbs> cairo-dock-data?
[11:09] <Two_Dogs> yes
[11:09] <DeathTickle> how can i switch my display manager from gdm to sddm for KDE ?
[11:10] <Two_Dogs> DeathTickle: install sddm yet?
[11:10] <bobdobbs> ok
[11:10] <DeathTickle> Two_Dogs: I have it installed, since i upgraded to 18.04 GDM is starting though
[11:10] <bobdobbs> doing 'apt-get remove cairo-dock-data' gives me the same error.
[11:11] <Two_Dogs> DeathTickle: you are on plasma?
[11:11] <steven> ok, so there it is. I managed to boot arch from USB and it lists all NIC's, so as expected ubuntu is the issue, not the server
[11:12] <bobdobbs> https://hastebin.com/ubesuqipot.sql
[11:12] <steven> tomreyn: ^
[11:12] <DeathTickle> Two_Dogs: I have both Plasma and Ubuntu desktop installed
[11:12] <Two_Dogs> DeathTickle: for sure sddm is installed?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> DeathTickle, sudo systemctl enable sddm && sudo systemctl start sddm
[11:13] <DeathTickle> sddm is already the newest version (0.17.0-1ubuntu7).
[11:13] <DeathTickle> will that disable gdm as the default display manager ?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> it should
[11:13] <wildermind> for some reason installing 4.16 on Ubuntu 16.04 require me to install libssl1.1 that isn't present in Xenial
[11:14] <wildermind> what can I do?
[11:14] <ducasse> to choose dm, do 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm'
[11:14] <DeathTickle> meh did dpkg-reconfigure and got the prompt
[11:14] <DeathTickle> 👍
[11:14] <Outy> Hello there =)  I have a litte prob with 18.04. When I mount a network share manual in terminal it does not appear in Thunar anymore. How can this be fixed?
[11:15] <wildermind> here is the output: https://pastebin.com/YnA2FVnd
[11:16] <bipul> Hi, I 'm unable to find "mount-defaults" directory inside  /etc/schroot/mount-defaults. I'm trying to create chroot environment inside Ubuntu 16.04.4. I have installed debootstrap and schroot via apt. Please help
[11:16] <DeathTickle> I had tried update-alternatives first but I didnt find the display manager in the list, any reason why it isnt there ?
[11:16] <spinningCat> is there any security leak if i use that command  ufw allow 1701
[11:18] <wildermind> anyone? I can't install mainline kernel in Xenial 16.04
[11:19] <steven>   Package libssl1.1 is not installed.
[11:19] <steven> did you try to install it?
[11:20] <bipul> I 'm following this tutorial, And i believe all the information are upto date and genuine https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot
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[11:21] <tomreyn> steven: it's possible that a newer kernel version supports your devices when an older one did not.
[11:22] <steven> tomreyn: no, the server was working just fine for the last couple years.
[11:22] <wildermind> steven: it's not present in Xenial repos
[11:22] <steven> and monday morning when I got up all my services were down
[11:22] <Sveta> Outy: what command do you use to mount it manually?
[11:22] <steven> then someone suggest it might be a HW failure, well its not :) so ubuntu did something
[11:23] <tomreyn> steven: it's also possible that your hardware works sometimes but not other times. and it's also possible that a regression occurred, but this is usually rare and short-lived
[11:23] <steven> now I need to figure out what it broke and how to revert those changes, also the server uses canonicals live patch. which happened to break in the past
[11:24] <Outy> Sveta: sudo mount -o vers=1.0 //192.168.x.x/folder /media/user/folder
[11:24] <Outy> Sveta: it always looked like this in thunar: http://i.imgur.com/ndH8fA6.png
[11:25] <Outy> Sveta: but now the quick link on the left does'nt show up anymore
[11:25] <steven> I am like 99% sure its an issue with ubuntu (or it live patch stuff), I ruled out the HW/ I can see it working at this very moment.
[11:25] <wildermind> can anyone help me to download an old linux-firmware? I can't seem to find where to download linux-firmware_1.157.17_all.deb
[11:25] <Sveta> Outy: where did thunar mount it when it was working?
[11:25] <Sveta> Outy: what was the mount target?
[11:26] <tomreyn> wildermind: better use the latest. why do you want an earlier one?
[11:26] <wildermind> because there's a problem upgrading to new kernels right now in xenial https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1768121
[11:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1768121 in linux (Ubuntu) "Mainline Kernel since 4.16.4 has postinstall script error" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:27] <tomreyn> wildermind: this is about mainline kernels, not about official kernel images provided in ubuntu
[11:27] <tomreyn> !mainline
[11:27] <ubottu> The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[11:27] <tomreyn> but dont use them unless you have to.
[11:27] <wildermind> yeah but with the official linux-firmware my wifi stopped working
[11:27] <Outy> Sveta: target /media/username/net
[11:28] <tomreyn> wildermind: using which kernel?
[11:28] <Outy> Sveta: I created the net folder myself
[11:28] <geirha> bobdobbs: Hm. Odd that it is trying to upgrade another package at the same time as removing that one package
[11:28] <wildermind> an old one, but idk if it's the kernel, becuase the only thing changed is the linux-firmware
[11:28] <Sveta> Outy: that's where you're putting it - did it mount automatically before you started doing that?
[11:28] <tomreyn> wildermind: if you use new firmwares on outdated kernels this can totally break things.
[11:29] <Outy> Sveta: no I mount it always manual as needed
[11:29] <tomreyn> wildermind: and as pointed out in the follow-up post to the mailing list post i pointed you to, it did in this case.
[11:29] <Sveta> Outy: and it worked before but it stopped working now?
[11:29] <Sveta> Outy: did you change the command you are using or it has been the same?
[11:30] <Outy> Sveta: its just that it would automatically appear in thunar when i do a manual mount. (16.04)  now in 18.04 it dont appear on the left. now i have to navigate to the folder myself
[11:30] <Sveta> Outy: can you add it to bookmarks?
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[11:31] <geirha> bobdobbs: what does it say if you try to remove cairo-dock-core in addition?  sudo apt remove cairo-dock-core cairo-dock-data
[11:31] <Outy> Sveta: Bookmarks?
[11:31] <tomreyn> wildermind: generally, if there are issues with your custom built kernel, you're on your own. use either the ones packaged by ubuntu (while they are supported), which enables you to get support here and on launchpad, or mainline, which may get you support from the kernel developers.
[11:32] <Outy> Sveta: Like said.. the mounting is not the problem here. It's the fact that it did show up in Thunar after Mounting
[11:32] <Sveta> Outy: yes, I think you can bookmark directories in thunar
[11:33] <bobdobbs> geirha: huh. that command completed without error
[11:33] <geirha> Two_Dogs: cairo-dock is one thing, but there's also a libcairo, that libgtk depends on
[11:34] <geirha> bobdobbs: great. Now you can try installing cairo-dock-core again
[11:34] <Sveta> Outy: drag the folder from the main area into the side pane to bookmark it
[11:34] <bobdobbs> geirha: k
[11:35] <bobdobbs> geirha: https://hastebin.com/idumiguvak.sql
[11:35] <Two_Dogs> geirha: yes, i am a plasma user, i assumed cairo anything was associated with cairo dock only
[11:36] <tomreyn> bobdobbs: i think you shouild really just identify the packages (package verisons) you have installed which are not part of the ubuntu release you now run, and dpkg --purge them, optionally replacing them by the versions provided by your current ubuntu release.
[11:37] <geirha> bobdobbs: remove libgldi3 then try again. Rince and repeat until it installs
[11:38] <geirha> bobdobbs: To avoid this in the future, run ppa-purge on all enabled PPAs before upgrading ubuntu release
[11:38] <tomreyn> bobdobbs: to prevent such issues in the future, be sure to both uninstall / downgrade 3rd party packages to ubuntu package versions before you start an ubuntu release upgrade.
[11:38] <bobdobbs> geirha: got it.
[11:38] <bobdobbs> geirha: I hope I actually remember that when the next LTS comes out
[11:39] <geirha> it's only a couple years. I'm sure it will be fresh in your memory :p
[11:39] <bobdobbs> ;)
[11:39] <Two_Dogs> bobdobbs: you have a home partition?
[11:39] <Outy> Sveta: will try
[11:40]  * mgedmin wonders why ppa-purge isn't integrated into do-release-upgrade yet
[11:40] <DeathTickle> any idea why when I use a sudo command the sudo prompt takes a long time to appear ?
[11:40] <Sveta> Outy: ok, i'm heading to sleep so i'll come back later i think;good luck and please ask others for help if this does not work as nicely as you like
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[11:40] <Sveta> DeathTickle: how long?
[11:40] <raidghost> nacc: Yes. Cifs mounting a host`s disk into a VM, Should that be a issue?
[11:41] <Outy> Sveta: Thank you =)
[11:41] <Sveta> Outy: you're welcome :-)
[11:41] <DeathTickle> longer then my other debian/ubuntu, measured it at 5 seconds
[11:41] <raidghost> Ive heard that dist upgrade can give errors and a messup system. Is that true?
[11:41] <Sveta> Outy: there's also #xfce, they might be able to help with thunar a bit further (thunar comes with xfce by default for a while)
[11:42] <BluesKaj> only if you have ppas that are no longer updated
[11:42] <raidghost> Sveta: For some reason i think of fireworks when i think of your nick. Must be since in norway its named Svea without t :P
[11:42] <BluesKaj> raidghost,^'
[11:42] <Sveta> raidghost: that's spectacular, perhaps it'll help me with falling asleep now :)  thanks for sharing :)
[11:43] <raidghost> Sveta: Null problem (No problem) in norwegian ;)
[11:47] <OlofL> https://imgur.com/a/MuTPB7f why are my print font so weird?!
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[11:49] <Outy> Sveta: will look there for answers too - thx =)
[11:49] <blackflow> OlofL: you probably don't have that font installed and the PDF (is it?) then probably doesn't embed them.
[11:49] <Sveta> Outy: :)
[11:50] <OlofL> blackflow: its a pdf yes. the printed font is weird, not the viewed font :)
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[11:54] <blackflow> OlofL: sounds like the print driver is not sending proper ps data to it then
[12:03] <elichai2> hey, is there a table of Ubuntu releases and which kernel version/series it's using?
[12:04] <janat08> likely widipedia holds that, elichai2
[12:04] <mancman3> elichai2: check the ubuntu wiki
[12:05] <janat08> how does my scroll speed remains unchanged on KDE after having been changed in settings
[12:05] <geirha> elichai2: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all&section=all
[12:06] <toad_poloer> So my Ubuntu 16.04 is becoming increasingly unstable, so in a last ditch effort to avoid a full re-install, I've been trying to turn it into a rolling release (a la converting Debian to use sid)
[12:06] <tomreyn> elichai2: also https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=linux-image-generic-hwe&searchon=names
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[12:07] <toad_poloer> I changed all my sources to use devel but now I'm getting a bunch of package dependency conflicts, apt install -f doen't help, dist upgrade doesn't help, autoremove and autoclean don't help.
[12:07] <toad_poloer> apt install -f is choking because python3-lib2to3 and python3-distutils are both trying to provide files also provided by libpython3.6-stdlib
[12:08] <geirha> wait, you switched your sources.list to go from ubuntu's to debian's?
[12:08] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: this is not a supported configuration really
[12:08] <toad_poloer> geirha: No.
[12:08] <mgedmin> what is "devel"?  there's no ubuntu or debian release with that codename
[12:08] <toad_poloer> I switched them from using xenial to devel.
[12:08] <mgedmin> ... is there?
[12:08] <toad_poloer> Yes, I think it's a symlink to cosmic.
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[12:09] <mgedmin> interesting
[12:09] <tomreyn> mgedmin: what made oyu think this might be a good idea to do?
[12:09] <toad_poloer> tomreyn: Yeah, I more or less know, but I'd really like to unravel this so that my computer is less broken for a few days while I prepare to clear everything off and install arch or something.
[12:09] <tomreyn> mgedmin: sorry, not you
[12:09] <geirha> In that case, support channel is #ubuntu+1
[12:10] <mgedmin> it would've been a bit safer to do-release-upgrade -d to bionic before jumping into cosmic
[12:10] <toad_poloer> tomreyn: Assuming that's for me, I've found that rolling releases tend to have fewer problems, particularly if you use third party ppas.
[12:10] <tomreyn> #ubuntu+1 won't be able to help with whats left after an unsupported release upgrade eiuther, i would think
[12:10] <OlofL> blackflow: how can I validate driver? It was a hp color laserjet mfp 775 printer added automatically.
[12:10] <toad_poloer> In the Debian world it's reasonably common to just run an unstable rolling release.
[12:11] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: right. but this is not debian.
[12:11] <mgedmin> because Debian makes releases approximately never ;)
[12:11] <toad_poloer> I did a google search and found this article: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/ubuntu-rolling-release/
[12:11]  * toad_poloer shrugs.
[12:11] <onio> I am having problem trying to install boost library on Ubuntu 16.04 getting unmet dependencies. See https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vh8JRXQJvr/
[12:11] <toad_poloer> Sure, it's not debian but development repos do exist.
[12:11] <toad_poloer> The OS was pretty broken to start with.
[12:12] <mgedmin> toad_poloer: can you temporarily try to dpkg --remove python3-lib2to3 and python3-distutils, to see if apt will let you install libpython3.6-stdlib then?
[12:12] <blackflow> OlofL: I don't know, but look into the printer settings and see if it perhaps mentions "PostScript" or fonts
[12:12] <OlofL> blackflow: when I used the chrome print dialog (instead of system print dialog) there was an option to "print as image". Then it managed to print better
[12:12] <toad_poloer> mgedmin: I can try, but a bunch of stuff depends on those libraries, including libpython3.6-stdlib.
[12:12] <mgedmin> dpkg --remove doesn't care about dependencies, unlike apt remove
[12:13] <toad_poloer> Yeah but the reinstall will have the same problem, won't it?
[12:13] <toad_poloer> I'm not sure these packages are even installed in the first place.
[12:13] <mgedmin> ah, but if the problem is that old lib2to3 conflicts with new -stdlib, then when apt installs new lib2to3 and new -stdlib, the conflict should be gone?
[12:14] <mgedmin> these kinds of things tend to happen when a file moves from one package to another, and the package metadata is supposed to have Conflicts: and Replaces: headers to help apt figure a safe upgrade path
[12:14] <steven> do the "ubuntu-16.04.4-server-amd64.iso" not contain a vmlinuz image?
[12:14] <toad_poloer> Possibly, though sudo apt-cache showpkg python3-lib2to3 seems to be coming from /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_cosmic_main*
[12:14] <mgedmin> but nobody tests direct apt upgrades that skip five intermediate releases!
[12:14] <toad_poloer> Same with libpython3.6
[12:15] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: this tuorial is ... bad advice. what depends on libpython3.6-stdlib?
[12:15] <toad_poloer> tomreyn: At the very least python3.6, which then pulls in a ton of other dependencies.
[12:15] <mgedmin> x -> y -> z -> a -> b -> c in one go, expect problems
[12:15] <mgedmin> it's fine if you've a broken system you want to break further and see if you can manage to repair, it's a nice technical exercise
[12:15] <mgedmin> it might not be fun though
[12:16] <toad_poloer> I'll dpkg --remove a few of these things and see if apt-get will re-install them.
[12:16] <toad_poloer> I don't think anything really important uses this stuff anyway,.
[12:16] <mgedmin> another approach would be to try aptitude instead of apt
[12:16] <mgedmin> aptitude has this fancy solver with interactive prompts that I never liked, but it may work for other people
[12:16] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: libpython3.6-stdlib (and python 3.6 in general) is not available in ubuntu 16.04, it is available in ubuntu 17.10 and 18.04
[12:17] <tomreyn> (and currently in cosmic, which 'devel' will be pointing to)
[12:17] <toad_poloer> Yeah, that's why I'm guessing nothing important depends on it.
[12:17] <Anthaas> How can I get the most recent stable version of libclang?
[12:17] <toad_poloer> Though I may have installed it myself for whatever reason with a ppa
[12:17] <toad_poloer> I do a lot of python development.
[12:18] <toad_poloer> dpkg --remove isn't letting me remove these packages because they have dependencies.
[12:18] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: if you want a working ubuntu now, install 18.04 or restore your 16.04 backup, and remove some of the 3rd party packages and customizations which break it.
[12:19] <toad_poloer> Can you install 18.04 directly on top of 16.04?
[12:19] <toad_poloer> I think I can do that if it's not going to wipe out my current configuration. I have a backup but I'm not super confident that restoring it would be very helpful.
[12:20] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: not supported yet, see 18.04 release notes. you could still do it using do-release-upgrade -d
[12:20] <mgedmin> I'm like 60% confident that installing directly on top will not wipe your data in /home, at least
[12:20] <mgedmin> backups highly recommended
[12:20] <toad_poloer> Yeah I backed up /home /etc /var, a few other things.
[12:20] <toad_poloer> Using borg, though, which I have found to be finnicky and slow, but with no good replacements.
[12:21] <mgedmin> I remember a recent discussion about removing support for upgrades from the installer, because this is an option rarely used and not very well tested
[12:21] <toad_poloer> I was planning on grabbing a hard drive and just using `dd` to do a bare metal backup.
[12:21] <mgedmin> but what this says is that the option wasn't removed yet, so it still has a chance of working :)
[12:21] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: you always need to remove any 3rd party packages before staring a release upgrade. you can use ppa-purge for this.
[12:21] <mgedmin> I think what breaks is the part where it's supposed to find a list of installed apps and reinstall them after the upgrade
[12:22] <toad_poloer> tomreyn: ppa-purge wasn't showing up in apt back when apt was working.
[12:22] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: are oyu saying it was not a package that was available to install?
[12:22] <toad_poloer> Yes
[12:22] <toad_poloer> I have no idea why.
[12:23] <toad_poloer> It actually still doesn't show up.
[12:23] <tomreyn> it's in universe, maybe you didnt have that enabled
[12:23] <toad_poloer> "sudo apt install ppa-purge" -> Unable to locate ppa-purge
[12:23] <toad_poloer> Ohh yeah, Universe is like Ubuntu's AUR?
[12:23] <tomreyn> !info ppa-purge xenial
[12:23] <ubottu> ppa-purge (source: ppa-purge): disables a PPA and reverts to official packages. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+bzr63 (xenial), package size 6 kB, installed size 24 kB
[12:23] <onio> I am having problem trying to install boost library on Ubuntu 16.04 getting unmet dependencies. See https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vh8JRXQJvr/
[12:24] <tomreyn> !universe | toad_poloer
[12:24] <ubottu> toad_poloer: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories.
[12:25] <tomreyn> onio: did you "sudo apt-get update" beforehand?
[12:25] <onio>  tomreyn: Yes I did
[12:26] <toad_poloer> Is there a way to force installation of ppa-purge while my current DPKG installation list is a mess of conflicts?
[12:26] <toad_poloer> Anything that installs or uninstalls something seems to fail unless all dependency problems are resolved.
[12:26] <tomreyn> onio: can you show the output of "lsb_release -ds", "cat /proc/version", "appt-get update", "apt-get -f install" and "apt-cache policy"?
[12:27] <tomreyn> !pastebin | onio
[12:27] <ubottu> onio: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[12:27] <mgedmin> ppa-purge is a preventative measure, not really useful to get out of a mess :/
[12:27] <toad_poloer> Well if I'm going to try this 18.04 in-place upgrade, I'd like to ppa-purge first.
[12:28] <Dirkos> Somehow my ubuntu 18 machine is not resolving my DNS server on the network but im a bit lost why
[12:28] <toad_poloer> Though I'm using cinnamon as a window manager, that might be coming from a PPA.
[12:28] <mgedmin> the in-place upgrade from the installer basically rm -rf's everything except /home and then copies the files over from the LiveUSB
[12:28] <Dirkos> It keeps ending up on 127.0.0.53 even though the DNs is set to 172.20.220.20
[12:28] <mgedmin> AFAIU
[12:28] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: apt is an integral part of ubuntu. it is based on python, which is why it is strictly required to have a stable python environment. you don't seem to have that at this time.
[12:28] <mgedmin> apt is written in C++, but there are tools like ubuntu's update-manager that are written in Python
[12:29] <toad_poloer> Yeah, apt is pretty clearly a binary.
[12:29] <mgedmin> ppa-purge is, IIRC, written in Python
[12:29] <mgedmin> another reason why it might not work in your current situation
[12:29] <toad_poloer> Well, I actually do have a stable Python environment.
[12:29] <tomreyn> okay, i was imprecise. much of the tooling around apt is in python
[12:29] <toad_poloer> Tons of them, actually.
[12:30] <toad_poloer> All this stuff is breaking as part of the upgrade for dependency reasons.
[12:30] <toad_poloer> Chances are that even if they went through it would work anyway because there are two packages providing the exact same file.
[12:31] <tomreyn> toad_poloer: anyways, the only way you can recvoer now is either restoring a full backup or, probably better, since basedon what you say your old installation was also broken by customizsations and third party packages, a full installation.
[12:31] <toad_poloer> Yeah, I think most likely scenario is I'll go grab a blank HDD and `dd` my current partition onto it.
[12:32] <toad_poloer> Wipe everything away and do a fresh installation of Arch, then a la carte restoration of various things.
[12:33] <toad_poloer> I really only ever have these problems with staged release distros.
[12:33] <mgedmin> rolling release = small frequent upgrades = small breakage
[12:33] <mgedmin> you now did a huge upgrade that skipped multiple years of changes in one go
[12:34] <mgedmin> if rolling distros can handle me leaving a system for five years and then doing an upgrade, without any breakage, then I'd like to know how they manage it!
[12:34] <toad_poloer> Yeah, but I did it because of the accumulation of a bunch of small problems that happened due to the fact that the old "stable" packages were buggy.
[12:35] <toad_poloer> What ends up happening is that some of the packages that get backports and stuff start picking up subtle incompatibilities with the old releases, which accumulate over time.
[12:35] <toad_poloer> This whole "switch Ubuntu to rolling release" thing was a gambit that didn't really pay off, but eh.
[12:36] <toad_poloer> The big problem that caused me to say enough was that every time the screen goes into sleep mode, it's not possible to wake it up again, I have to hard reboot.
[12:36] <mgedmin> ouch, that is something ...
[12:37] <toad_poloer> And when I tried to modify the display preferences to make the screen just not go into sleep mode, I get segfaults.
[12:37] <toad_poloer> And manually modifying the power preferences with dconf doesn't seem to work.
[12:37] <toad_poloer> So yeah it's just this side of unusable.
[12:38] <tomreyn> upgrading to a newer release would have been a much better approach thanswitching from xenial to carmic in one go.
[12:38] <onio> tomreyn: as requested please find output of listed commands https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BRtJHVv3Zp/
[12:38] <tomreyn> *cosmic
[12:38] <toad_poloer> Upgrading to a newer release sounds like it is roughly the same process as installing a new distro.
[12:38] <toad_poloer> So I dunno that it makes much difference.
[12:39] <toad_poloer> I was mainly trying to see if there were an in-place way to accomplish what I wanted, but eh, now nothing remains but to go ahead with the distro switch.
[12:41] <tomreyn> onio: you have several apt sources configured which (based ontheir names only, have not tried to learn more) may be incompatible with ubuntu xenial. have you verified that they are indeed compatible?
[12:41] <toad_poloer> Oh gparted is seg-faulting now :(
[12:42] <toad_poloer> Is there no way for me to switch back to xenial and force a reset on the dependency graph?
[12:42] <onio> tomreyn: I have a code that is using this library that worked 2 weeks ago and from yesterday I just can build any longer
[12:42] <MonkeyDust> Dirkos  in a terminal, to change your DNS, type   resolvconf -u && dig | grep \#
[12:43] <MonkeyDust> (just returned to my desk)
[12:44] <mgedmin> apt does not support downgrades; going back to xenial might be harder than resolving whatever's blocking you from upgrading to cosmic
[12:44] <tomreyn> onio: i assume you mean that for 2 weeks you canNOT build any longer. please also answer my question.
[12:45] <steven> is there *any* support other than IRC that one is able to contact for ubuntu related problems? seems like my issue is out of scope of this support channel?
[12:46] <Dirkos> MonkeyDust: i now create the symlink to /etc/resolv.conf and then it works
[12:46] <Dirkos> resolv.conf resolving to 127.0.0.53 is not doing anything
[12:46] <toad_poloer> steven: I got the impression that Canonical's business model was providing support for Ubuntu, but that's just a half-remembered thing.
[12:46] <Dirkos> But the symlink is purged after reboot
[12:46] <toad_poloer> And presumably you pay them for that.
[12:46] <mgedmin> steven: there's askubuntu.com, and, for non-free options, you can pay $$$ to Canonical to get a support contract
[12:47] <Dirkos> SO means that /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf has the right DNs settings
[12:47] <Dirkos> but /etc/resolv.conf points to that local address which is then not working?
[12:47] <steven> hm, so I guess re-installing the OS  is the easiest .. fix to this
[12:47] <steven> bu,,er
[12:47] <steven> bummer*
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> Dirkos  in a terminal, type    sudo -e /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head ... enter: nameserver x.x.x.x ... save ... sudo resolvconf -u
[12:48] <BluesKaj> steven, perhaps you could restate your issue one last time
[12:48] <Dirkos> MonkeyDust: sec
[12:48] <MonkeyDust> (-u means update)
[12:48] <Dirkos> MonkeyDust: but the nameserver is setup already correctly in the global config?
[12:49] <Dirkos> Because i want to retrieve it from dhcp
[12:50] <steven> sure BluesKaj, ubuntu stopped recognizing my NIC. the server is completely offline, I managed to jump into busybox and it shows two NIC's, I booted archlinux from usb, shows all NIC's, boot back the actual ubuntu 16.04. no network interfaces. at first someone in here suggested it might be failing HW but this is ruled out (also bought a usb nic adapter, doesnt work on ubuntu either)
[12:50] <MonkeyDust> Dirkos  not sure.. you can always undo it
[12:50] <Dirkos> yeah now my network is fully gone and the resolv.conf is not created anymore haha
[12:50] <steven> so the only thing that I can imagine is canonicals live patch, which is enabled on that very server. and thats the only thing I can think of breaking that way.
[12:50] <Dirkos> or atleast its empty
[12:50] <bipul> Is it possible to assign a different IP address inside chroot ?
[12:50] <mgedmin> Dirkos: in normal operation /etc/resolv.conf tells apps to use 127.0.0.53 always, which is a local systemd-resolved instance, which is a caching layer that forwards queries to the real DNS server
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[12:51] <mgedmin> there are dhcp hook scripts that tell systemd-resolved what the upstream DNS server is
[12:51] <steven> oh and I just  booted a ubuntu 12.04  img via usb and configured the network, works as well. BluesKaj
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> Dirkos  did yoy create the ...head file?
[12:51] <[itchyjunk]> hey, i am getting a 'boot only has 32mb space remaining warning'. what was the apt commands i could run to fix and remove broken packages? :S
[12:51] <Dirkos> there is a head file
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> Dirkos  what's in it?
[12:51] <Dirkos> Nothing
[12:51] <Dirkos> comments that i should not change it
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> Dirkos  ok, enter manually ... nameserver x.x.x.x (your server)
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[12:52] <mgedmin> Dirkos: you can run systemd-resolve --status to see what systemd-resolved is using as the upstream DNS server
[12:52] <Dirkos> But i dont want it manually, i want it to be read from my adapter config
[12:52] <Dirkos> mgedmin: yeah that gives me an error
[12:52] <Dirkos> failed to get global data: unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve 1.service not found
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> Dirkos  i did it manually myself, it works
[12:52] <tomreyn> bipul: (just) chroot has no concept of networking. you'd need to use lxc/lxd or actual virtualization.
[12:53] <mgedmin> Dirkos: ah, so systemd-resolved is not running?  service systemd-resolved status, and then maybe service systemd-resolved restart?
[12:53] <bipul> tomreyn, are you sure?
[12:54] <tomreyn> bipul: pretty much.
[12:54] <blackflow> bipul: ip netns maybe, before switching to the chroot
[12:54] <blackflow> but really, if you need that, just go with a container or VM
[12:54] <BluesKaj> steven, there's an odd bug,  but /etc/resolv.conf changed the nameserver to nameserver 127.0.0.53 ..have you checked it?
[12:54] <Dirkos> and then it suddenly works
[12:54] <Dirkos> also the full DNS, no idea what fchanged though
[12:55] <steven> BluesKaj: it doesn't see the interface, its not just not resolving
[12:55] <steven> ifconfig/ip link show dont list it
[12:56] <BluesKaj> steven, what about ip add
[12:56] <bipul> Thank you tomreyn and blackflow
[12:56] <OlofL> How do I type emojis in ubuntu 18?
[12:56] <Dirkos> mgedmin: the only problem now is that after reboot the systemd-resolved starts up "dead"
[12:57] <mgedmin> does the log show a reason why?
[12:58] <Dirkos> yeah checking, when starting it crashes my OS completely
[12:59] <Dirkos> And now my DNS is not resolving anymore hahaha
[12:59] <janat08> ok how do I actually make scroll speed change work
[13:00] <blackflow> Dirkos: see this kind of thing is why I always completely disable systemd-resolved on any new systemd based OS installation
[13:01] <Dirkos> is it hard to "remove" it?
[13:01] <Dirkos> gives me a DBus error, unit not found
[13:01] <MonkeyDust> Dirkos  what's the output of   dig | grep \#
[13:01] <blackflow> Dirkos: no, just "systemctl disable systemd-resolved". then unlink /etc/resolv.conf and make it a proper file. If you use NM, configure it with dns=none
[13:02] <Dirkos> blackflow: but can i then also let it populate from the network itself the DNS?
[13:02] <blackflow> Dirkos: uh sorry, I mean systemctl mask systemd-resolved" as just disabling does nothing
[13:02] <steven> BluesKaj: I don't have ip add?
[13:02] <blackflow> Dirkos: yeah, dhclient can manage resolv.conf
[13:03] <toad_poloer> I reverted all my /etc/apt/sources to use xenial and did sudo apt -f autoremove, which seems to have allowed me to do sudo apt upgrade.
[13:04] <BluesKaj> steven, which ubuntu release is this?
[13:04] <steven> 1604 lts
[13:04] <Dirkos> blackflow: how does it handle that with dhclient?
[13:04] <Dirkos> Since its an hardcoded file now? (which works though)
[13:06] <blackflow> Dirkos: should be automatic
[13:07] <blackflow> Dirkos: if not, check NetworkManager.conf if dhcp is set to anything else than dhclient. I'm not too familiar with "internal" setting and how that relates to resolv.conf
[13:07] <BluesKaj> steven, ip add in the terminal should show what ifcconfig does on 16.04
[13:07] <BluesKaj> err ifconfig
[13:07] <steven> well ifconfig doesn't list the NIC's
[13:09] <BluesKaj> what about lspci?
[13:11] <spinningCat> lspci show hardware
[13:11] <spinningCat> hardwares
[13:13] <BluesKaj> steven, something like Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15)
[13:13] <Dirkos> blackflow: dns feels a bit slow now though
[13:13] <BluesKaj> or more if you have multiple NICs
[13:13] <blackflow> Dirkos: how are you testing it?
[13:14] <Dirkos> yeah my browser but nvm, probably just a hick
[13:14] <blackflow> Dirkos: or the resolver used just has to cache the results, if it's seeing them for the first time.
[13:15] <Dirkos> yeah, now only docker left since it is not stable on 18 it seems whehe
[13:22] <talexb> I'm running UBUNTU 16.04 LTS, and had a strange lockup situation recently.
[13:22] <talexb> I was in a session, but I'd locked my workstatino. Step-son logged into a guest session to print something.
[13:23] <spinningCat> my program send sms
[13:23] <spinningCat> and work in ubuntu
[13:23] <spinningCat> is there any package i need to download
[13:23] <talexb> I got back to the computer, and used the menu to get back to my session, leaving the guest session as it was.
[13:23] <spinningCat> program  works in windos but not in ubuntu
[13:23] <spinningCat> it is .net core
[13:23] <talexb> I entered my password, then both screens went dark.
[13:23] <guest> spinningCat: you may be able to run it using Wine
[13:23] <steven> BluesKaj: sorry, sure broadcom corporation NetXtreme BCM 5720 ghigabit ethernet PCIe
[13:23] <guest> spinningCat: but it's not guarenteed
[13:24] <spinningCat> wine that?
[13:24] <guest> !wine
[13:24] <ubottu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu
[13:24] <talexb> Ctrl Alt F1 didn't work, Ctrl Alt Del didn't work -- there was no response.
[13:24] <spinningCat> .net core works in linux
[13:24] <guest> Does the program load up at all?
[13:24] <spinningCat> yes
[13:25] <talexb> If this happens again, I'll try to ssh in and have a look around to see what's going on .. but I'm not sure what I should be looking for.
[13:26] <spinningCat> damn it
[13:26] <spinningCat>  why it doesnt work
[13:29] <DeathTickle> I'm still getting 5-6 seconds of lag time before the sudo prompt on ubuntu 18. It seems it could be something about hostname/dns. Anyone have ideas ?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> DeathTickle, check your prompt against /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[13:31] <DeathTickle> BluesKaj: what do you mean "against" ?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> make sure they're the same
[13:32] <BluesKaj> all
[13:32] <DeathTickle> so like '127.0.0.1	localhost my-hostname ' in /etc/hosts ?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> my-hostname yes
[13:34] <DeathTickle> should I do this for the ipv6 address such as '::1' ?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> no
[13:36] <BluesKaj> check /etc/hostname as well
[13:36] <BluesKaj> DeathTickle,^
[13:37] <DeathTickle> yeah I copied 'my-hostname' from /etc/hostname
[13:37] <DeathTickle> looks like it worked even with the hostname added to both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses ! Great
[13:37] <BluesKaj> right, you have to either reboot or relogin ...I've forgotten
[13:38] <DeathTickle> I rebooted
[13:38] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:38] <DeathTickle> so is that issue because sudo checks for my own machine hostname ?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> now try running a sudo command
[13:39] <DeathTickle> BluesKaj: the sudo prompt is instant now, thanks
[13:39] <BluesKaj> DeathTickle, ok, good
[13:40] <DeathTickle> funny that on my debian computer I don't have that mod to the hosts file but the prompt is still instant
[13:40] <Dbugger> I have installed GitKraken using snap (snap install gitkraken) but I cant seem to push code. Could it be that a snap package cant use my ssh keys? I tried to load them manually and it said that it did not have access to my ".ssh" folder
[13:41] <BluesKaj> DeathTickle, that's because sudo is user permissions on debian, not both root and user like ubuntu (mostly)
[13:42] <BluesKaj> !root | DeathTickle
[13:42] <ubottu> DeathTickle: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[13:51] <raub> Stupid question: why $DISPLAY would be empty while I am in a terminal window in the graphics (local) console?
[13:52] <mgedmin> what is a graphics (local) console?
[13:52] <raub> I do not know how to describe the physical console using proper terms
[13:52] <BluesKaj> probly a VT
[13:53] <BluesKaj> or terminal
[13:53] <raub> I mean like the monitor attached to the computer
[13:53] <mgedmin> there's no $DISPLAY in a framebuffer console because there's no running X server there
[13:53] <raub> I am running X right now. I am typing on it
[13:54] <mgedmin> so you're saying that you open an xterm and echo $DISPLAY is blank?
[13:54] <raub> Yep
[13:54] <mgedmin> that is indeed very strange
[13:55] <raub> Yep. For me to run rdesktop I need to do "DISPLAY=:0.0 rdesktop"
[13:57]  * maschool umh ... i'm afraid that we broke our packages system, as long as any attempt to 'apt update... upgrade ' is leading to system reboot 
[13:58] <naval> hello
[13:58] <naval> i need help
[13:59] <maschool> first we suffered from ' E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) is another process using it?  '
[13:59] <leftyfb> !ask | naval
[13:59] <ubottu> naval: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[13:59] <naval> My Gnome evolution is showing an error
[14:00] <naval> this error( The reported error was “Failed to authenticate: The name :1.6 was not provided by any .service files”.)
[14:00] <maschool> ^^... then , we 'sudo fuser -cuk /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[14:00] <maschool> '
[14:00] <maschool> as per https://askubuntu.com/questions/15433/unable-to-lock-the-administration-directory-var-lib-dpkg-is-another-process/15436#15436
[14:01] <maschool> now, any attempt to update packages ( 'apt ... ' ) is leading to system reboot . What are we missing ? :-/
[14:01] <naval> Failed to connect “my email”
[14:01] <leftyfb> maschool: what version of ubuntu?
[14:01] <naval> xubuntu 18.03
[14:01] <naval> sry 8.04
[14:01] <naval> 18.04
[14:01] <leftyfb> naval: sounds like you don't have whatever "email" account setup properly
[14:02] <naval> it was perfectlly working before
[14:02] <leftyfb> naval: before what?
[14:03] <naval> before 30 minutes and before installed Mail watcher plugin ,mail notification
[14:03] <maschool> letfyb : we are using Ub 16.04 at Maschool
[14:04] <leftyfb> maschool: so you run "sudo apt-get update" and the machine reboots?
[14:04] <maschool> sure
[14:04] <leftyfb> naval: so this was working 30 minutes ago?
[14:05] <naval> yup
[14:05] <leftyfb> maschool: sure? Sure or yes. ?
[14:05] <maschool> Yes, yes
[14:05] <leftyfb> naval: what changed from 30 minutes ago? Are you 100% it was working or you just didn't get an error?
[14:05] <maschool> that's it.
[14:05] <nikolam> anyone have any experience with OpenCL? I installed Nvidia binary driver from inside Ubuntu repositories and I managed to compile an test for OpenCL, but it says "Failed to load kernel". Also "OpenCL" turning on in Libre Office does not work (is disabled after restarting LO)
[14:05] <leftyfb> maschool: type: dmesg. Do you see any SATA or I/O or sense key errors?
[14:06] <naval> leftyfb: it was perfectly working
[14:06] <leftyfb> naval: try logging into the account by another means using the same credentials
[14:06] <maschool> ' dmesg | grep SATA' is not showing any suspicious message
[14:06] <naval> ok
[14:07] <leftyfb> maschool: I didn't tell you to grep for anything
[14:07] <leftyfb> sorry, I means to say ATA, not SATA. But do not use grep
[14:07] <leftyfb> maschool: basically, you're looking for drive/hardware issues
[14:08] <maschool> leftyfb  dmesg is not showing any suspicious  ATA or  I/0 error messages
[14:09] <leftyfb> maschool: just to confirm, if you type: "sudo apt-get update" right now, it will reboot? Will you see the repo's get updated on the screen? Any errors?
[14:10] <maschool> YEs, it will ... so i'm not gonna try again ... and loose our chat :-D
[14:10]  * maschool we did it 3 times before
[14:10] <leftyfb> maschool: without error messages or troubleshooting, we cannot help you
[14:10] <maschool> sure
[14:11] <leftyfb> maschool: It would be helpful if you could capture what is going on
[14:11] <maschool> "sudo apt-get update" right now, will reboot the system, as it did for several times before ...
[14:11] <leftyfb> maschool: cd ; sudo apt-get update >> apt-update.log
[14:12] <Llama_> hey everyone, im having trouble with my graphics card on Ubuntu 16.04, the graphics in my games arent working properly
[14:12] <leftyfb> maschool: if you run that, it'll hopefully record what's going on
[14:12] <maschool> so we can check apt log ?
[14:12] <maschool> without crashing the system again ?
[14:12] <Llama_> think there might be a problem with my drivers?
[14:12] <leftyfb> maschool: apt by itself should never reboot anything. So it'll unlikely it would record what's going on
[14:12] <maschool> ok ... let's crash
[14:13] <mgedmin> a crash will likely leave the apt log in the disk cache on RAM rather than on disk
[14:14] <leftyfb> mgedmin: got a better idea?
[14:16]  * mgedmin is thinking
[14:16]  * maschool R.I.P.
[14:16] <leftyfb> a reboot doesn't take long
[14:16] <mgedmin> syslog over the network is a pain (and requires a handy second machine)
[14:17] <maschool> false alert
[14:17] <maschool> we didn't crashed the system
[14:17] <maschool> may we show you the log ...
[14:17] <leftyfb> maschool: paste.ubuntuc.om
[14:17] <leftyfb> er
[14:17] <leftyfb> maschool: paste.ubuntu.com
[14:21] <leftyfb> maschool: try the same line, this time with: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[14:21] <leftyfb> maschool: sudo apt-get install pastebinit >> apt-install.log
[14:22] <maschool> ok
[14:22] <maschool> done
[14:23] <leftyfb> maschool: sounds like there's no issue so far
[14:23] <maschool> may we try apt upgrade again ?
[14:23] <maschool> umh..
[14:23] <leftyfb> maschool: sudo apt-get upgrade # without the log part
[14:25] <maschool> it works now
[14:25] <naval> leftyfb: I tried another email ,i didn't work and i also deleted it completely with synaptic redownloaded it , it didn't work.
[14:26] <leftyfb> naval: It sounds like your issue is just related to the proper credentials/settings of the account your setting up
[14:26] <naval> and when it was reinstalled it reagained it previous data means it was in previous state
[14:26] <leftyfb> naval: btw, uninstalling a package doesn't necessarily remove the settings/accounts
[14:27] <leftyfb> maschool: you're welcome :/
[14:30] <naval> leftyfb: i Choosed complete uninstallation and also deleted its cached data from ~/.cache folder
[14:31] <leftyfb> naval: settings don't get saved in ~/.cache
[14:31] <leftyfb> naval: I would look around in ~/.config or ~/.local (do not delete the entire directories unless you don't care about the settings for the majority of applications on your desktop)
[14:31] <maschool> leftyfb:thanks!
[14:32] <naval> ok
[14:32] <leftyfb> maschool: you're welcome :)
[14:34] <simulant> hey i thought it may be worth asking here as well as in the Kubuntu channel just in case someone knows anything about graphics drivers etc. but since upgrading from 17.10 to 18.04 my intel integrated gpu isn't working and the screen is just black with an underscore cursor in the top left corner. my other monitor on nvidia works fine though... any help appreciated to get it working again.
[14:34] <simulant> lspci shows Intel Corporation Device 3e91
[14:34] <leftyfb> simulant: so you're trying to run dual screens on the same machine?
[14:35] <leftyfb> simulant: on the monitor you can see, can you bring up the display settings and make sure both video cards are detected and that you've got extended screen set?
[14:35] <simulant> leftyfb: yeah I've got 2 screens but only my nvidia one shows in display settings
[14:35] <simulant> leftyfb: when I try xrandr only nvidia shows there too...
[14:36] <leftyfb> simulant: is it possible the onboard is disabled when your external video card is in use? I'm not sure where that gets set in the latest ubuntu
[14:36] <leftyfb> or if it's even a thing.
[14:37] <leftyfb> also
[14:37] <leftyfb> simulant: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[14:37] <simulant> leftyfb: well they're both enabled still in the bios and were working in 17.10, but since the upgrade intel gpu isn't working
[14:39] <leftyfb> simulant: Are you using the nvidia drivers or open source drivers?
[14:41] <maschool> leftyfb: we upgraded completely the system! Thanks!
[14:44] <maschool> goodbye!
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[15:11] <IntelCore>  Hi :)
[15:12] <kaffien> is glxgears still a good way to measure linux  graphics card performance?
[15:12] <IntelCore> Is Restricted extras for vlc from apt get, or from vlc site?
[15:14] <kaffien> I'm running  nvidia drivers from their website with version 390.59,   on an nvidia 1070ti and glxgears reports 60 fps ...  looking up results i see card that are  6 years old getting 1000's
[15:15] <mgedmin> "still" is a funny way of putting it
[15:15] <IntelCore> 60 fps is in HD
[15:15] <mgedmin> it was never a good way to measure performance
[15:16] <kaffien> ah
[15:16] <kaffien> what's a good way to measure graphical perf in linux?
[15:16] <mgedmin> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Glxgears_is_not_a_Benchmark
[15:17] <tgm4883> !info phoronix-test-suite | kaffien
[15:17] <ubottu> kaffien: phoronix-test-suite (source: phoronix-test-suite): comprehensive testing and benchmarking platform. In component universe, is extra. Version 5.2.1-1ubuntu2 (bionic), package size 381 kB, installed size 2634 kB
[15:17] <kaffien> Thanks, I'll check that out.
[15:19] <IntelCore> I just don't think I have the restricted-extras for ffmpg
[15:19] <leftyfb> IntelCore: restricted-extras has nothing to do with vlc. It's a bunch of audio and video codecs
[15:19] <IntelCore> right - and vlc can't read this disk, but it plays in windows
[15:19] <leftyfb> disk?
[15:20] <leftyfb> DVD?
[15:20] <IntelCore> ye, dvd, a movie
[15:20] <leftyfb> IntelCore: https://itsfoss.com/play-dvd-ubuntu-1310/
[15:20] <leftyfb> IntelCore: 2nd result on google for "ubuntu play dvd"
[15:20] <IntelCore> thks
[15:24] <wethree_> bla bla bla
[15:25] <leftyfb> wethree_: can we help you with something?
[15:25] <kaffien> I must be missing something. I run the phoronix test suite, follow the prompts, choose 1 to run a test and then it does .. nothing?
[15:26] <wethree_> leftyfb_: Are you a wizard?
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[15:27] <leftyfb> !support | wethree_
[15:27] <ubottu> wethree_: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[15:28] <IntelCore> wow, lots to do
[15:28] <IntelCore> gdebi
[15:28] <wethree_> leftyfb_:Much obliged!
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[15:30] <janat08> how does VM workstation pro 14 compares to dedicated opensource implementations? Is vm created by workstation compatible with dedicated configuration of VM?
[15:30] <janat08> with i7 6 cored, and 10 RAM it lags when spotify changes track
[15:31] <IntelCore> ok, where gdebi? it install. so now i use it for libdvd deb file
[15:31] <IntelCore> just terminal it?
[15:32] <tgm4883> IntelCore: why wouldn't you just use apt
[15:33] <alumno> give
[15:33] <genii> IntelCore: Usually for the things required to read DVDs, etc, you would install ubuntu-restricted-extras ( substitute lubuntu, xubuntu, or kubuntu if you're using one of those instead )
[15:33] <alumno> ipconfig
[15:33] <alumno> ec
[15:34] <IntelCore> yes, so it is
[15:34] <janat08> oh well windows had hyper-v turned off
[15:34] <IntelCore> genii - I have a later version of libdvdcss2
[15:34] <IntelCore> so good
[15:36] <IntelCore> libdvdread 4 and libdvdnav4 are good
[15:36] <IntelCore> i mean up to date
[15:37] <IntelCore> yea, so I asked about restricted-extras when I got here genii
[15:37] <IntelCore> the VLC said error - can't read all the disk.  Then another error was can't find codec
[15:38] <Xat`> hi guys
[15:38] <IntelCore> so ?
[15:38] <Xat`> I'm trying to install Ubuntu server 18.04
[15:39] <Xat`> I get an error during installation : "Unable to install busybox-initramfs"
[15:39] <IntelCore> good?
[15:39] <genii> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:39] <ubottu> ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used media codecs and fonts for Ubuntu. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 66 (bionic), package size 3 kB, installed size 14 kB
[15:40] <genii> IntelCore: Did you enable the multiverse repository?
[15:40] <IntelCore> thks genii
[15:40] <IntelCore> yes is enable
[15:40] <IntelCore> an i have synaptic too
[15:43] <techridez> hi i am using ubuntu 18
[15:43] <techridez> now i cant login
[15:43] <techridez> when i login it will go back to login screen
[15:43] <techridez> what to do
[15:44] <genii> !info libavcodec-extra
[15:44] <ubottu> libavcodec-extra (source: ffmpeg): FFmpeg library with extra codecs (metapackage). In component universe, is extra. Version 7:3.4.2-2 (bionic), package size 13 kB, installed size 61 kB
[15:44] <genii> !info libavcodec-extra57
[15:44] <ubottu> libavcodec-extra57 (source: ffmpeg): FFmpeg library with additional de/encoders for audio/video codecs. In component universe, is extra. Version 7:3.4.2-2 (bionic), package size 4453 kB, installed size 13589 kB
[15:44] <genii> IntelCore: Most likely whatever missing coddec is in one of those two above packages
[15:46] <DeathTickle> I have some free time and I would like to start helping development of Ubuntu and the Linux ecosystem. Any place where I could help out the ubuntu community ?
[15:50] <IntelCore> ffmpeg 7.2.8.14
[15:51] <IntelCore> nothing to do with me, but i see four xenial updates for nvidia
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[15:52] <wethree_> what's a good search engine anyone?
[15:52] <rcm888> cannot switch kb layout in xrdp session!
[15:53] <nacc> !contribute | DeathTickle
[15:53] <ubottu> DeathTickle: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[15:53] <nacc> wethree_: not a topic for this channel.
[15:53] <wethree_> what be a good topic then?
[15:53] <nacc> wethree_: this is the ubuntu support channel, for ubuntu support questions
[15:54] <DeathTickle> nacc: will check that out
[15:57] <station> need hel with starting arduino (arduino-mhall119 snap because I need a specific version of Arduino) as sudo arduino
[15:57] <station> from the GUI I can start it as usual but need sudo to access all ...
[15:58] <DeathTickle> why do you need sudo access for arduino ?
[15:58] <wethree_> nacc_:Thank you. how about this: is there a way to speed lightdm ?
[15:59] <nacc> station: if you are using a snap, you should contact the snap owner for support
[16:00] <nacc> wethree_: I'm sure there is, but it's just the login manager and not sure I've experienced it being slow.
[16:01] <wethree_> nacc_: Meant the display manager.
[16:02] <IntelCore> found xrdp switch keyboard - you want it nacc?
[16:02] <nacc> IntelCore: please don't randomly ping users.
[16:02] <IntelCore> not
[16:03] <nacc> IntelCore: you literally just did. I have no interest in a 'xrdp switch keyboard' and was not talking to you.
[16:03] <nacc> wethree_: do you just mean your desktop feels slow? what version of Ubuntu?
[16:03] <IntelCore> I did not manually ping anyone, this is vanila hexchat
[16:04] <nacc> IntelCore: please stop being dense, you used my nick in a chat. That is called a 'ping'.
[16:05] <nacc> IntelCore: at this point, since I asked for similar yesterday, I'm going to put you in my ignore. Have a nice day.
[16:05] <IntelCore> Oh?  ok. well, a person got ignored, so.. i found the url to answer about the xrdp session
[16:05] <Xat`> I get an error during installation : "Unable to install busybox-initramfs"
[16:06] <Xat`> for ubuntu server 18.04
[16:06] <IntelCore> rcm888 - found switch in session
[16:06] <wethree_> nacc_:16.04 and using the nouveau driver, nvidia no longer support my graphic card.
[16:07] <cr1mson_king> how rude
[16:07] <nacc> wethree_: hrm, are you sure it's not just a consequence of the nouveau driver?
[16:08] <nacc> wethree_: I honestly don't know, sorry. If you have an underpowered graphics system, you may consider lubuntu or xubuntu to see if it's any better for you.
[16:09] <wethree_> nacc_:pretty sure there's a hack for it.
[16:10] <rcm888> IntelCore: I need ru_RU.UTF-8
[16:10] <rcm888> IntelCore: keyboard layout "ru"
[16:10] <IntelCore> On the other machine?
[16:10] <wethree_> nacc_:Thank you anyway.
[16:11] <rcm888> IntelCore: I dont know. I just need it work
[16:11] <ioria> Xat`, possibly, a bad install media,unless you did some fancy disk partitioning
[16:11] <rcm888> IntelCore: I'm connecting from windows machine to linux, windows has "ru"
[16:11] <IntelCore> ": genkeymap and restart the service xrdp, rcm888
[16:12] <leftyfb> rcm888: https://websiteforstudents.com/change-ubuntu-17-10-keyboard-layout-to-your-native-language/
[16:12] <IntelCore> Need to be locally
[16:13] <IntelCore> paste a url msg window to rcm888
[16:13] <leftyfb> IntelCore: huh?
[16:14] <IntelCore> sent a msg with the url to user: rcm888
[16:14] <leftyfb> IntelCore: why? I posted it to them here
[16:14] <rima> cc
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> !fr | rima
[16:15] <ubottu> rima: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[16:15] <rcm888> ok Im on it
[16:15] <rima> join #ubuntu-fr
[16:15] <rima> join #ubuntu-fr
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> rima: avec /join
[16:16] <rima> join #ubuntu-fr
[16:16] <rima> join #ubuntu-fr
[16:16] <rima> join #ubuntu-fr
[16:16] <rima> join #ubuntu-fr
[16:16] <rima> join #ubuntu-fr
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:16] <NemeXis> lol
[16:16] <DeathTickle> we lost him
[16:16] <NemeXis> :)))))
[16:16] <DeathTickle> what client uses /join ?
[16:16] <NemeXis> "the command did not work"
[16:16] <IntelCore> off to fix my video playah. cas 'quiet splash' fixed my boot problem.
[16:16] <NemeXis> happens to all of us
[16:16] <jatt> 😸
[16:16] <NemeXis> @DeathTickle for example "CIRC" from chrome extensions
[16:17] <NemeXis> the one I'm using
[16:20] <rcm888> IntelCore: it didnt work
[16:23] <Guest62> I'm using Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS. Problem: screen is blank after resuming from auto-suspend. Any help is appreciated.
[16:23] <wethree_> does anybody know a hack for nouveau?
[16:24] <leftyfb> wethree_: your issue is beyond the scope of this channel
[16:24] <leftyfb> wethree_: If you have a desktop, it's going to be easier for you to buy a new video card then it is to rewrite the drivers to support your unsupported card
[16:24] <wethree_> leftyfb: It's a support question!
[16:25] <leftyfb> wethree_: Rewriting drivers is beyond the scope of this support channel. It's also not specific to ubuntu and pertains to open source drivers. Not ubuntu.
[16:26] <wethree_> leftyfb: a hack means adjusting the system parameters, dear.
[16:27] <DeathTickle> sounds like there is a miscommunication, what do you want to achieve wethree_ ?
[16:27] <wethree_> DeathTickle: speed up the driver.
[16:28] <DeathTickle> wethree_: sounds like your graphics setup might be borked, are you using any special kernel parameters ?
[16:30] <DeathTickle> wethree_: try cat /proc/cmdline
[16:31] <oerheks> no, there is no tweak tool for nouveau driver
[16:31] <wethree_> DeathTickle: Now you're talking over my head. all programs have a configuration paramaters and nouveau should not be an exception.
[16:32] <leftyfb> wethree_: a driver is not a program. And no, not all programs have a "configuration parameters".
[16:32] <oerheks> it looks like it is, an exeption
[16:32] <wethree_> leftyfb: do too.
[16:33] <oerheks> there are menu's to tweak, with gnome-tweak-tool, but not the driver itself
[16:33] <blackflow> eh, first of all, drivers ARE programs. and second, nouveau DOES have params.   https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModuleParameters/
[16:33] <DeathTickle> nouveau is not a standard program and it is harder to configure
[16:34] <wethree_> DeathTickle: agreed. But it's surely working under specs.
[16:34] <DeathTickle> if you have any of 'nomodeset' 'vga' or 'nouveau.modeset' in the output of 'cat /proc/cmdline' you may have a definite problem
[16:45] <wethree_> DeathTickle: So then you wouldn't know where nouveau hide its settings.
[16:46] <Guest62> I'm using Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS. Problem: screen is blank after resuming from auto-suspend. Anybody know how to solve this issue? It happens every time I resume my laptop nowadays.
[16:50] <DeathTickle> wethree_: as nouveau is a kernel driver it receives its parameters from the kernel command line as I said. The possible parameters are listed here https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModuleParameters/
[16:53] <wethree_> DeathTickle: Much obliged my friend. Now for the real work... there is this performance level parameter. Should i mess with it?
[16:57] <oerheks> weltall, that nouveau.perflvl_wr setting can specify the level on boot,... but "warning is not stable yet, may crash you system or burn your card so try at your own risk!!"
[16:58] <oerheks> so we made no tool or setting to tweak this
[16:58] <oerheks> ( in a gui)
[17:01] <wethree_> what be the command to list alll current settings for the graphic driver?
[17:03] <matjam> wethree_: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModuleParameters/
[17:05] <nacc> wethree_: if you mean their current values, /sys/module/nouveau/parameters/ iirc
[17:05] <nacc> wethree_: `modinfo nouveau` should also show you what is supported by the module actually on your system (which may differ from the above page)
[17:06] <jj15> When I run: ssh -tt dev 'bash -s' < scripts/provision.sh it logs in and echos the contents of the script into the terminal. What am i doing wrong?
[17:07] <nacc> jj15: what are you trying to do?
[17:07] <DeathTickle> good pointers nacc
[17:07] <jj15> nacc execute a script from local on remote.
[17:08] <jj15> -tt because sudo.
[17:08] <oerheks> weltall, and what GPU are you talking about?
[17:08] <nacc> jj15: what is the contents of scripts/provision.sh?
[17:08] <matjam> yargh
[17:09] <rcm888> copmpiles xrdp from git, after logon into xfce4 - empty screen
[17:09] <jj15> nacc https://gist.github.com/JamesTheHacker/7c89bc60f7dc94026777526dd6c6c011
[17:11] <tgm4883> curl ~ | sudo bash :(
[17:11] <jj15> Strange though because it works if I run it on my digital ocean box, but not in vagrant. Not quite sure what is happening.
[17:11] <jj15> tgm4883 its a trusted source.
[17:13] <jj15> A few people have commented on that. I don't get what the big deal is in this instance. Node recommends installing this way: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions
[17:15] <DeathTickle> I hope jj15 has his package.json setup right with that 'npm install'
[17:15] <jj15> The install is ran from an unprivileged user.
[17:15] <jj15> as it doesn't require sudo
[17:15] <wethree_> nacc: Yes naac. the page is too old.
[17:16] <nacc> jj15: can you pastebin the exact command and output you get?
[17:16] <DeathTickle> It was more about the fact that you are installing your dependencies using npm when the npm repo has had (malware) packages pulled/replaced from it and versions need to be hard locked jj15
[17:17] <jj15> npm now gives you warnings and during development I address and security warnings way before deployment :)
[17:18] <wethree_> oerheks: Gforce 5500
[17:18] <DeathTickle> good on you 👍jj15
[17:20] <jj15> nacc, it appears to log in via SSH, dump the contents of the file all over the terminal. I'll paste.
[17:22] <ioria> wethree_, and you want to run gnome-shell with that card ?
[17:22] <jj15> nacc here's the output: https://gist.github.com/JamesTheHacker/7041ad978ba9c5018ebda1f1ec9988e8
[17:23] <nacc> jj15: those last few lines, was that you doing it manually, or did it actually start running the script?
[17:24] <jj15> I didn't do anything manually. This is what's strange its dumping it straight into the terminal.
[17:24] <nacc> jj15: and if you type the sudo password at the prompt at line 73, does it continue?
[17:25] <jj15> nacc it just hangs.
[17:25] <wethree_> ioria: waste not!
[17:25] <DeathTickle> wethree_ that is some pretty ancient graphics card
[17:26] <nacc> jj15: does it hang or it is it working? (you can ssh into the machine and see if maybe it's running the setup-10.x script)
[17:26] <wethree_> DeathTickle: 256 mega byte memory!
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> wethree_: lubuntu to the rescue :p
[17:26] <lisac> um.. received some spam mentioning this channel
[17:26] <lisac> "<vunkihy> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A HELP CHANNEL WHERE THE HELP DON'T KNOW SHIT BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY DON'T SHIT THEY WILL SPEND 10 MINS JERKING YOUR CHAIN?? LOOK NO FURTHER THAN #UBUNTU A CHANNEL FULL OF DUMB NIGGERS THAT DON'T KNOW SHIT!!"
[17:26] <ioria> wethree_, ^ lotuspsychje
[17:27] <ioria> wethree_, and 16.04 (not 18.04), because 304 is dead on bionic
[17:28] <jj15> nacc could this have something to do with it being a fresh ubuntu server install on virtualbox? I only ask because it works fine if I run the ssh command on my digital ocean machine.
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[17:29] <tgm4883> jj15: I would SSH into the ubuntu server install and run the commands there. Verify they work in a default install before troubleshooting deployment via SSH
[17:30] <jj15> Ok will try that now.
[17:30] <DeathTickle> the provision script looks pretty benign though
[17:31] <DeathTickle> I'm new to the -tt dev option to ssh
[17:32] <Xat`> ioria: I'm using the same preseed file than for Ubuntu 16.04
[17:32] <bipul> Hello, Do anyone here has experienced installing PostgreSQL inside chroot. ? I have tried installing inside chroot via "apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib" but still unable to found postgres account inside it
[17:32] <Xat`> for 18.04. The 16.04 works well, not the 18.04 one
[17:32] <wethree_> ok, i just dump my "ancient system", get me a new computer, and come chat with you folks about my new problems. oh and i guess running ubuntu on a 486 is out of the question.
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> wethree_: lubuntu
[17:34] <jj15> It runs fine if I rsync the file over and then run it.
[17:35] <DeathTickle> maybe remove a 't' in the options ?
[17:35] <wethree_> ok y'all. lubuntu then.
[17:36] <jj15> DeathTickle I tried that previously. I had to use -tt because I was getting "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified"
[17:37] <DeathTickle> have you tried without ssh asking you a password ? with key auth or something
[17:37] <tgm4883> jj15: Does it work if you run the script that you copied to the remote machine over ssh? (Not copying the script during the SSH session)
[17:38] <tgm4883> eg. ssh user@server-address "./foo"
[17:38] <jj15> Trying now
[17:39] <jj15> tgm4883 yes it does
[17:39] <Xat`> why is the preseed file for 16.04 not working for 18.04 ?
[17:39] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:40] <Xat`> I'm using the same file and I get error during installation "Unable to install busybox-*initramfs"
[17:40] <hays_> I am manually installing a service and I have an init.d script. How do I install this in ubuntu18?
[17:40] <hays_> it seems a lot of the internet advice is out of date
[17:42] <ioria> Xat`, using LVM ?
[17:42] <Xat`> ioria: yes
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[17:42] <ioria> Xat`, something changed in 18.04 for LVM ,iirc
[17:43] <Xat`> ioria: /boot is in a dedicated partition, but other mounts use lvm
[17:43] <hays_> this returns nothing update-rc.d celeryd defaults
[17:44] <ioria> Xat`, i got that
[17:44] <Xat`> what do you mean by "iirc" ?
[17:45] <ioria> Xat`, if i remember correctly
[17:45] <Xat`> oh alright
[17:46] <ioria> Xat`, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Server    but i  don't know if relevant for your actual issue
[17:46] <Xat`> I gonna check that ty
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[17:49] <ioria> Xat`, btw, how did you create the installer media ?
[17:53] <Xat`> ioria: I'm using cobbler to do that job
[17:53] <ioria> cobbler ...
[17:53] <nacc> ioria: netboot tool
[17:54] <Xat`> I'm sure the appropriated seed file is selected
[17:54] <Gnjurac> hi where is android-sdk installed if used from repo
[17:54] <ioria> nacc, ok, tx
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[17:54] <Gnjurac> anyone?
[17:55] <ioria> Xat`,  no experience with that, sorry
[17:55] <Xat`> ioria: btw, the installation starts and stops with error with "Unable to install busybox-initramfs"
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> Gnjurac: try the whereis command
[17:55] <nacc> Gnjurac: /usr/lib/android-sdk/
[17:55] <nacc> Gnjurac: `apt-file` is your friend :)
[17:56] <Gnjurac> dident know apt-file exists
[17:56] <Xat`> ioria: I guess the preseed file contains an error for 18.04 only
[17:57] <nacc> Gnjurac: or, since you had it installed `dpkg -L <pkgname>`
[17:58] <Gnjurac> hmm
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> Gnjurac: how about you tell us what you really want to do?
[18:00] <jj15> DeathTickle tried without password using key, still the same :(
[18:01] <Gnjurac> Error building Player: CommandInvokationFailure: Unable to list target platforms. Please make sure the android sdk path is correct. See the Console for more details.
[18:01] <Gnjurac> stderr[
[18:01] <Gnjurac> Error:Invalid command android
[18:01] <Gnjurac> ]
[18:01] <Gnjurac> stdout[
[18:01] <Gnjurac> ]
[18:01] <genii> !pastebin | Gnjurac
[18:01] <ubottu> Gnjurac: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[18:02] <Gnjurac> sorry
[18:02] <tgm4883> jj15: I'm not sure, it looks like it should be working to me. You could try a more simple script (maybe just touching a testfile in /etc) and see if that works. That would tell you if it's an issue with the script itself.
[18:02] <Gnjurac> anyway before i just download sdk to folder and point unity3d to it
[18:03] <Gnjurac> now i installed from repoe and it dosent work
[18:04] <Xat`> how to know from which repo is from a package for 18.04 without having a 18.04 ?
[18:05] <genii> !info build-essential cosmic
[18:05] <ubottu> build-essential (source: build-essential): Informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 12.5ubuntu2 (cosmic), package size 4 kB, installed size 20 kB
[18:05] <genii> Xat`: See above
[18:05] <Xat`> ty
[18:06] <Xat`> !info busybox-initramfs bionic
[18:06] <ubottu> busybox-initramfs (source: busybox): Standalone shell setup for initramfs. In component main, is important. Version 1:1.27.2-2ubuntu3 (bionic), package size 157 kB, installed size 324 kB
[18:06] <genii> Xat`: You can replace cosmic with any currently supported release
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[18:07] <krytarik> Xat`: Personally I use packages.ubuntu.com more often though.
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> Gnjurac: before volunteers can help you, we need more details from you..can you start from the beginning? you want android sdk for what reason, and define 'doesnt work' please?
[18:08] <Xat`> ok krytarik , ty :)
[18:10] <rcm888> server install is too slow
[18:10] <rcm888> TOO SLOW
[18:11] <MonkeyDust> !details | rcm888
[18:11] <ubottu> rcm888: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel.
[18:11] <jj15> I'm going to keep banging at this. I'm tempted to post on stackexchange but sometimes it's so much hassle that by the time I get an answer I could have solved it myself.
[18:12] <rcm888> ordinary install to vbox from iso image
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> rcm888: you installing ubuntu server on virtualbox? how much ram do you have?
[18:14] <rcm888> it takes more than 1 hour. quad core 3.0 ghz phenome II. 2gigs ram
[18:14] <rcm888> dedicated to vm
[18:14] <jj15> Why is it slow? Was pretty quick on my macbook running vb.
[18:14] <DeathTickle> jj15 when I do 'ssh macproupstairs.local -tt 'bash -s' < script.sh' I get something similar and weird. The script only does echo Hello world!
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> rcm888: 2 gig ram isnt really fancy
[18:15] <jj15> DeathTickle Very strange indeed. I tested on a quick throw away digital ocean box again and it works. I wonder if DO make their iso's public I'd be interested to test.
[18:16] <rcm888> lotuspsychje: it uses only 70 mb during install
[18:17] <DeathTickle> jj15: when I remove a 't' from the options it works as intended
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> rcm888: whats your physical ubuntu using?
[18:17] <jj15> Ah. Ok that's given me something more to look into.
[18:17] <rcm888> lotuspsychje: I run vm
[18:18] <rcm888> lotuspsychje: Phenom II x6 16GB ddr3
[18:18] <jj15> DeathTickle If I remove a t this is what happens: https://gist.github.com/JamesTheHacker/952f4c903dd3d698216a30da8c03b354
[18:18] <DeathTickle> 'Deployment Complete!' jj15 ! works out fine see :P
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> rcm888: ah ok, thats more like it
[18:19] <jj15> No it doesn't because it runs in a split second.
[18:19] <jj15> What its doing is asking for sudo pass, but it can't because "no tty present"
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> rcm888: so, wich ubuntu server version are you trying, and define slow install?
[18:19] <DeathTickle> more seriously, I'm guessing sudo does require something more jj15
[18:20] <DeathTickle> jj15 maybe seaching for sudo over ssh pseudo terminal would help
[18:21] <rcm888> lotuspsychje: 16.04 lts
[18:21] <jj15> DeathTickle I was literally sitting there thinking "what google search is going to give me the best results". Thanks :D
[18:21] <rcm888> lotuspsychje: x64
[18:22] <Gnjurac> anyone using simple screen recorder
[18:22] <Gnjurac> it dosent record my sound
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> Gnjurac: try kazam
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> !info kazam | Gnjurac
[18:22] <ubottu> Gnjurac: kazam (source: kazam): screencast and screenshot application created with design in mind. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.5-2 (bionic), package size 732 kB, installed size 1693 kB
[18:24] <DeathTickle> jj15 requiretty might be present or at least a default in the sudoers file
[18:25] <jj15> DeathTickle I just found the same one https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/122616/why-do-i-need-a-tty-to-run-sudo-if-i-can-sudo-without-a-password
[18:25] <jj15> Going to check
[18:26] <jj15> Nope :(
[18:26] <DeathTickle> jj15 you mean you dont have requiretty? I dont either
[18:27] <jj15> No I don't.
[18:29] <Exterminador> hello guys. I've been looking at LVM to merge two disks (one with 50gb and another with 150gb). I assume that I need to: pvcreate /dev/hd1; pvcreate /dev/hd2; vgcreate volume_name /dev/hd1 /dev/hd2 and I'm done?
[18:29] <DeathTickle> try adding Defaults !requiretty jj15
[18:30] <jj15> Trying that now :)
[18:32] <rcm888> lotuspsychje: I compiled xrdp from git but after rdp logon, clean screen! ??
[18:33] <DeathTickle> jj15 with NOPASSWD set to my user, Defaults !requiretty and ssh -t 'bash -s' < script, I am able to run my script as sudo on the remote
[18:34] <DeathTickle> the Defaults !requiretty seems unnecessary jj15
[18:34] <jj15> Ah so its just the NOPASSWD
[18:34] <DeathTickle> looks like it
[18:35] <Gnjurac> clear
[18:36] <luxio> How do I disable thumbnail caching? I don't want any files being created in ~/.cache/thumbnails/*
[18:36] <jj15> I'll tell you something. I absolutely love solving programming issues, but when it comes to solving linux issues it starts to hurt my brain fast.
[18:36] <jj15> The dopamine hit when finding a fix is worth it tho :)
[18:37] <DeathTickle> hehe tty's and remote execution is pretty annoying alright
[18:42] <jj15> Still doesn't work for me.
[18:43] <DeathTickle> :(
[18:43] <jj15> Oh wait, I need to put it at the end on last line. I put it in the users block.
[18:43] <DeathTickle> yeah sudoers file is sequential
[18:44] <jj15> BINGO!
[18:44] <jj15> Works.
[18:44] <jj15> Thank you so much DeathTickle
[18:44] <jj15> I would have been hacking away at that all night.
[18:44] <DeathTickle> my pleasure jj15
[18:47] <DeathTickle> try setting up a nexus repository now lol jj15
[18:48] <jj15> Is it a paid option only? $10 seems reasonable.
[18:49] <DeathTickle> nooo there is https://www.sonatype.com/nexus-repository-oss
[18:50] <jj15> Oh. I'll attempt this.
[18:52] <MrVoltz> Hi, I have upgraded kernel from 4.10 to 4.16.11 and I have trouble with my IR remote. It is a remote for my TV, not MCE. In dmesg I see:  nuvoton-cir 00:04: found NCT6779D or compatible: chip id: 0xc5 0x62, rc rc0: lirc_dev: driver nuvoton-cir registered at minor = 0, but ir-keymap -t and cat /dev/lirc0 both don't output anything. On 4.10 it worked fine.
[18:53] <jj15> Java. Urgh. Every time I install it on osx I notice my mac gets super slow and laggy.
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[19:11] <alan_atwood> join #freebsd
[19:12] <tomreyn> MrVoltz: i know next o nothing about IR control, but am just reading up on it. does /devices/pnp0/00:04 exist?
[19:13] <xandey> Hi, I'm trying to do a do a kernel-bisect of ubuntu-bionic kernel. I have found the closes two version here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/linux but I can't compile the earlier one. I think the config is corrupted
[19:13] <RonaldsMazitis> hello
[19:13] <RonaldsMazitis> what's up #ubuntu
[19:13] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[19:13] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm using linux for last 5 years. mostly I've been using ubuntu
[19:14] <xandey> oh, this wasn't the channel i was trying to join
[19:14] <RonaldsMazitis> my intel i5 4 core pc can't run full hd videos nowadays and my android phone does it easily, why is that?
[19:16] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm using ubuntu 16.04, and I have like ~2 gb left on hard drive
[19:16] <RonaldsMazitis> should I change termal paste or something
[19:16] <compdoc> lol
[19:16] <RonaldsMazitis> my videos glitch
[19:17] <RonaldsMazitis> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz
[19:18] <RonaldsMazitis> it's laptop, and I really haven't reinstalled for long time, since I'm using it since 12.04 as server
[19:19] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis:  Intel® HD Graphics 3000  according to https://ark.intel.com/products/52224/Intel-Core-i5-2410M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_90-GHz
[19:19] <Guest17896> Hello people
[19:19] <oerheks> RonaldsMazitis, lolz ..
[19:19] <RonaldsMazitis> You blame hd 3000?
[19:20] <Guest17896> Quick question, when I try to add repository on winehq/ubuntu, (18.x) I get "Couldn't connect to accessibility bus:failed to connect to socket" why does that happen?
[19:20] <RonaldsMazitis> back when I got it I was playing gta4 on 30 fps
[19:20] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: i'm telling you what you seem to be working with.
[19:20] <Guest17896> I couldn't find any solution on google
[19:20] <RonaldsMazitis> and then the hard drive dies
[19:20] <RonaldsMazitis> died *
[19:21] <RonaldsMazitis> tomreyn: ok, how then my android galaxy a5 is faster than that
[19:21] <RonaldsMazitis> how can it show my full hd video without glitches
[19:21] <RonaldsMazitis> renders for smaller screen or something
[19:22] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: i don't know. why is something faster than something is not really an ubuntu support topic.
[19:22] <RonaldsMazitis> should I upgrade to 18.04?
[19:22] <kostkon> RonaldsMazitis, 2gb of space left though
[19:23] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: sooner or later: probably. for now: later. 2GB space left is probably a problem if it's a journalling file system.
[19:23] <RonaldsMazitis> oh ok thanks for advice
[19:25] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: unless you plan to replace the whole computer soon, and if you still have a hdd in there. then i heavily receommend to replace it by an ssd. good enough ones sell for as little as 50 usd nowadays.
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[19:26] <ioria> lol
[19:26] <pepebotella> sorry
[19:27] <DeathTickle> RonaldsMazitis: what are you using for video playback ?
[19:27] <HAZARLI23> FUCK TRUMP FUCK america!!!! we are from TURKEY
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[19:27] <tomreyn> DeathTickle: Ronalds left
[19:27] <tomreyn> !ops
[19:27] <ubottu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, bazhang, chu, dax
[19:27] <pepebotella> I love turkey on thanksgiving
[19:28] <rpittau> mmm.... turkey... so good....
[19:28] <HAZARLI23> tdxpv fzqyl jaemv :FUCK TRUMP FUCK america!!!! we are from TURKEY
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[19:28] <nickim_yok> lhcpq ersvd oysxv :FUCK TRUMP FUCK america!!!! we are from TURKEY
[19:28] <ioria> !ops
[19:28] <ubottu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, bazhang, chu, dax
[19:29] <genii> ioria: We have to wait until services come back online properly
[19:29] <tonyyarusso> Not a ton anyone can do - Freenode is having a ChanServ outage, so the trolls are taking advantage of that.
[19:29] <ioria> genii, right, sy
[19:29] <DeathTickle> too bad, tomreyn. I found youtube in firefox always churns the cpu and misses frames on old machines
[19:29] <iyibiri_> aekyj zaqmi pgbjo :FUCK TRUMP FUCK america!!!! we are from TURKEY
[19:29] <_oNLy_yOu_> slamf qmmhf ednbm :FUCK TRUMP FUCK america!!!! we are from TURKEY
[19:29] <DeathTickle> tomreyn: but when playing locally stored 720p / 640p content it works fine generally
[19:30] <tomreyn> thanks tony
[19:30] <matjam> well that sorted that
[19:31] <tomreyn> DeathTickle: playing videos on youtube (within a web browser) is maybe not the best way to do performance testing.
[19:31] <astsb_38m> guqoa cscyt njnsi :FUCK TRUMP FUCK america!!!! we are from TURKEY
[19:31] <Siir> jfyvi xomld xgiyb :FUCK TRUMP FUCK america!!!! we are from TURKEY
[19:32] <matjam> need to ban those IPs too, they seem to be reusing them
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[19:34] <oerheks> ..
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[19:36] <tonyyarusso> ...wut
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[19:38] <bunnyman13> Hello all
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[19:38] <yuppie> hi all
[19:39] <yuppie> hoping someone can help with my networking real quick
[19:39] <bunnyman13> yea?
[19:39] <yuppie> eth0 doesn't seem to be able to get a DHCP lease
[19:39] <yuppie> its up
[19:39] <yuppie> and its managed by network manager
[19:39] <yuppie> running dhclient just hangs
[19:39] <bunnyman13> hmmm...okay have you restarted the interface @yuppie?
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[19:39] <yuppie> already tried down/up using ifconfig
[19:40] <bunnyman13> what about restarting the networking service
[19:40] <yuppie> i have the entry in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:40] <yuppie>  /etc/init.d/networking restart? tried that
[19:40] <yuppie> ubuntu 16.04 desktop
[19:40] <ioria> your1p, NM or /e/n/interface ?
[19:40] <jeremy31> yuppie You can't use Network Manager and /etc/network/interfaces
[19:40] <ioria> your1p, both, it's not good :)
[19:41] <yuppie> ok i removed the entry from /etc/networking/interfaces
[19:41] <bunnyman13> now try service networking restart
[19:41] <jeremy31> yuppie restart networking
[19:41] <ioria> yuppie, restart NM
[19:42] <yuppie> systemctl restart network-manager?
[19:42] <ioria> yeah
[19:42] <yuppie> ok restarted
[19:42] <yuppie> still nothing
[19:42] <bunnyman13> service networking restart
[19:42] <ioria> yuppie, cat /etc/network/interface
[19:43] <yuppie> auto lo
[19:43] <oerheks> .. still nothing after 4 seconds... how do you tell ?
[19:43] <yuppie> iface lo inet loopback
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[19:44] <bunnyman13> @yuppie you need a dhcp auto line
[19:44] <ioria> bunnyman13, he's using NM
[19:44] <bunnyman13> oh whoops
[19:44] <bunnyman13> my bad thanks for that @ioria,
[19:45] <bunnyman13> my brian is somewhere else i'm working on KVM
[19:45] <bunnyman13> went down last night because of other idiots -__
[19:45] <ioria> yuppie, paste 'ip a'
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[19:48] <bunnyman13> *brain
[19:49] <yuppie> i assigned it a static internal ip and still nothing
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[19:51] <ioria> !paste | yuppie
[19:51] <ubottu> yuppie: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
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[19:52] <yuppie> well im on my laptop
[19:53] <yuppie> and the machine i'm troubleshooting isnt connected
[19:53] <yuppie> ip a shows 1: lo: ... 2: eth0: state UP etc
[19:53] <yuppie> link/ether has a mac address
[19:53] <yuppie> when i run dhclient it just hangs
[19:54] <ioria> yuppie,  the point is the ip ... is assigned ?
[19:54] <oerheks> one would use networkmanager, or disable it and go manual
[19:55] <yuppie> im using NM to use DHCP
[19:55] <yuppie> i assigned it a static internal IP using NM, but that still didn't work
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[19:57] <oerheks> and this is on bare metal?
[19:57] <yuppie> yeah
[19:57] <yuppie> its just a workstation PC
[19:57] <yuppie> desktop install
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[20:02] <atlas_0x01> So for making a quick backup, could I just dd /dev/sda to an iso and then use that?
[20:03] <atlas_0x01> Or is there a better/more effective way?
[20:04] <swift110> hey all
[20:04] <yuppie> i think the interface is also being renamed to
[20:04] <yuppie> enp6s0
[20:04] <yuppie> why is that?
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[20:05] <V0st0k> Hi guys, I'm not able to login on my Ubuntu 18.04 Gnome. I type the correct password then I got stuck on the purple screen and then it backs to login page. Can someone help me on this please?
[20:05] <compdoc> thats how linux names the interfaces now
[20:05] <jeremy31> yuppie It has been that way for almost 2 years or longer
[20:05] <yuppie> interesting because im used to it reading "eno1"
[20:05] <yuppie> or something of that sort
[20:05] <yuppie> alright i rebooted, still no network
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[20:06] <atlas_0x01> @V0st0k Have you made any recent changes?
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[20:06] <raidghost> Who is responsible for Mono builds?
[20:07] <j75> why is "ip addr" not showing my changes to my netplan .yaml file? I run netplan apply
[20:07] <leftyfb> raidghost: apt-cache show <package name>
[20:07] <V0st0k> atlas_0x01: The only change I did yesterday was installing wekan by the snap command, but I've already removed
[20:08] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/mono/main
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[20:09] <raidghost> leftyfb: Seems like the programs i run doesnt like the newer than 4.8.1
[20:09] <raidghost> So there should be hopefully a ubuntu package with 4.8.1 mono
[20:09] <jeremy31> yuppie does your /etc/network/interfaces look like http://termbin.com/dpmr
[20:09] <oerheks> 4.6.2 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono
[20:10] <V0st0k> atlas_0x01: this happened to me after I tried to login on the option Ubuntu with Wayland
[20:10] <atlas_0x01> hm
[20:10] <atlas_0x01> Idk lol
[20:10] <atlas_0x01> I've had some problems with login loops before, but they were graphics card related
[20:11] <j75> 18.04 does not use /etc/network/interfaces does it?
[20:11] <V0st0k> atlas_0x01: I cannot login on any of the options (there's still Unity option there)
[20:12] <V0st0k> atlas_0x01: I have Ubuntu 16.04 on other disk and this works very well on the same hardware
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[20:13] <V0st0k> this seems to be a Gnome problem, no?
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[20:21] <Callek> so I'm on Bionic right now, tried to do "Add User.." from UX, seems its yelling at me that my Capital Letter "username" is invalid, because it can only contain caps and lowercase (and ./_)
[20:23] <Callek> photo of issue https://irccloud.mozilla.com/file/jtfKmRkm/irccloudcapture6243540576166882635.jpg
[20:23] <Callek> anyone know of an existing bug or an easy workaround for what this screen does
[20:25] <compdoc> what does it do?
[20:25] <tgm4883> Callek: I feel like I remember you can't use a capital letter to start the username
[20:25] <tgm4883> I don't have a link to a bug report or anything
[20:25] <Callek> tgm4883: well I have it that way on Xenial
[20:25]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[20:25] <Callek> tgm4883: of course I got the same error when I tried `aCallek`
[20:26] <solsTiCe> Callek: callek must be an easter egg :-)
[20:26] <Callek> and I tried a `usermod` earlier where I did it as "Callek" and it worked (though this is explicitly a different thing than user already taken, since that is a different error message, also tested)
[20:27] <solsTiCe> Callek: next time make screeshot instead of photo
[20:27] <Callek> solsTiCe: new computer I'm setting up, so easy abil to transfer screenshots not yet avail
[20:27] <Callek> but yea, generally speaking ++
[20:40] <troozers> Hi, I am trying to get an Ubuntu 18.04 Server to boot into text console mode so I can iLO into it via textcons, but it doesn't seem to be taking the grub options I've entered
[20:41] <Jordan_U> troozers: What kernel parameters have you tried?
[20:41] <troozers> I've edited /etc/default/grub and changed GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" and GRUB_TERMINAL=console and ran update-grub
[20:42] <troozers> those were values i "googled", so please correct the error of my ways ;)
[20:44] <Jordan_U> troozers: That will boot you to a "text" tty, so if you were standing in front of a monitor connected to the machine you'd see a getty login... But that text tty is being drawn to the screen using Kernel Mode Setting and native graphics drivers.
[20:45] <troozers> basically the server runs without a monitor, and I access the server via iLO and use of the textcons command
[20:46] <Jordan_U> troozers: If you're booting via UEFI I'm not sure if a true text mode is available once ExitBootServices() has been called.
[20:46] <troozers> Hmmm, not sure it is via UEFI - I will check.  It's a HP Proliant Gen8 MicroServer
[20:47] <Jordan_U> troozers: Can iLo emulate / provide a serial interface?
[20:48] <troozers> Yep
[20:49] <Jordan_U> troozers: That seems like the way to go then, rather than using a "text video mode".
[20:49] <troozers> It basically creates a virtual COM2:
[20:50] <troozers> I shall have a try, thanks for the heads up
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[20:50] <Jordan_U> troozers: You're welcome. Grub can output / recieve input with serial as well.
[20:52] <troozers> just one final question, should i be running update-grub or update-grub2
[20:53] <genii> Just update-grub
[20:53] <troozers> cool, worth the question.. i get easily confused ;)
[20:53] <genii> The system will figure out which version you're running, if you have both, it will update both
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[21:06] <user7878> Hi! Is it possible to use systemd-resolve as a substitute for dnsmasq? I'm running a dedicated Ubuntu 18.04 DNS server at my home with dnscrypt-proxy.
[21:10] <yuppie> alright guys i got the networking issue solved
[21:10] <yuppie> now i have some questions about preseeding
[21:10] <yuppie> i dont think my DNS is coming up correctly, but I have DHCP set
[21:11] <yuppie> here is a link to my preseed file: https://gist.github.com/internaught/1a0f8483c824b8eef4336e4dfc0f7091
[21:12] <yuppie> it also keeps prompting me to reboot
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[21:15] <s10gopal> i have Enableed Proposed , but software update show system is up to date, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646 , but still i am not on the test kernel
[21:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1745646 in linux (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Battery drains when laptop is off (shutdown)" [Medium,In progress]
[21:16] <s10gopal> How to install Proposed update manually ?
[21:18] <hggdh> s10gopal: as you were told yesterday, or a few days ago, the kernel has not yet been promoted to proposed. You need to wait
[21:18] <s10gopal> hggdh, it is see the bug report please
[21:18] <yuppie> also it seems my preseed late command isn't being run
[21:18] <hggdh> s10gopal: how did you enable the proposed pocket?
[21:18] <s10gopal> hggdh, yes
[21:19] <tgm4883> s10gopal: *how*
[21:19] <leftyfb> s10gopal: you ran dist-upgrade?
[21:19] <s10gopal> hggdh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed ,
[21:19] <tgm4883> s10gopal: and you ran both 'apt update' and 'apt dist-upgrade' ?
[21:19] <s10gopal> tgm4883, only apt update
[21:20] <tgm4883> s10gopal: well that doesn't upgrade packages...
[21:20] <yuppie> anyone here familiar with preseeding?
[21:20] <s10gopal> tgm4883, also tried with gui
[21:20] <s10gopal> update manager
[21:21] <leftyfb> s10gopal: which kernel did jsalisbury release the patch in?
[21:21] <hggdh> s10gopal: you need to apt update && apt full-upgrade, then
[21:21] <s10gopal> leftyfb, <jsalisbury> s10gopal,  4.15.0-23.25 for bionic
[21:21] <leftyfb> s10gopal: which kernel are you running?
[21:21] <s10gopal> leftyfb, 4.15.0-22-generic
[21:23] <leftyfb> s10gopal: run: apt-cache policy linux-image-4.15.0-23.25-generic
[21:23] <s10gopal> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M5c6z2XNpc/
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[21:23] <s10gopal> N: Unable to locate package linux-image-4.15.0-23.25-generic
[21:23] <s10gopal> hggdh, ^
[21:24] <s10gopal> please see the paste
[21:24] <leftyfb> s10gopal: then ask on the bug which kernel you need to install for the fix
[21:24] <jj15> Is it possible to build a package from source and then build it into a dpkg file? Building node on every server this way is going to take a long time.
[21:24] <s10gopal> leftyfb,  4.15.0-23.25
[21:24] <jj15> I was looking at apt-build but not sure if that can do it
[21:24] <leftyfb> s10gopal: then ask ON THE BUG which kernel you need to install for the fix and how to install it
[21:25] <s10gopal> leftyfb, i need to install  4.15.0-23.25 ,  jsalisbury, gave me this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[21:26] <jj15> No worries found this https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial
[21:26] <leftyfb> s10gopal: nowhere on that entire bug does it mention 4.15.0-23.25
[21:27] <s10gopal> leftyfb, check #ubuntu-kernel log
[21:27] <s10gopal> yesterday's
[21:27] <leftyfb> s10gopal: no thanks. Ask there then.
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[21:29] <bobdobbs> Hi. I updated to 180.04 a few days ago. Ever since then I've had this with applications locking up. The applications I use most are emacs, chrome and gnome-terminal. At least once every minute which of these applications I'm using becomes unresponsive to input. The lock-ups last from 1 to 4 seconds
[21:30] <bobdobbs> As I was typing that, my irc client (erc from emacs) locked up twice.
[21:30] <bobdobbs> Could this be an issue with video drivers?
[21:30] <yuppie> hey guys
[21:30] <yuppie> my preseed is unable to resolve a host
[21:30] <yuppie> us.archive.ubuntu.com
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[21:31] <yuppie> does this have to do with the network not being up?
[21:31] <leftyfb> yuppie: yes
[21:31] <yuppie> how can i get a prompt from a ubiquity terminal?
[21:31] <yuppie> i want to see the state of the network
[21:31] <leftyfb> yuppie: CTRL+ALT+F2
[21:31] <yuppie> leftyfb: here is a my preseed https://gist.github.com/internaught/1a0f8483c824b8eef4336e4dfc0f7091
[21:31] <leftyfb> or actually, just ALT+F2
[21:31] <yuppie> ok so leftyfb that console says that a start job is running
[21:31] <yuppie> its not a shell
[21:31] <leftyfb> yuppie: why do I care about your preseed?
[21:32] <leftyfb> yuppie: ALT+F3
[21:32] <yuppie> to see my network settings
[21:32] <yuppie> same thing on F3, start job is running
[21:32] <yuppie> not sure how to kill that and take over the shell
[21:32] <bobdobbs> And just now chrome locked up for 5 seconds.
[21:32] <leftyfb> yuppie: your network settings are set through tftp, not in the preseed
[21:32] <bobdobbs> This really intereferes with my workflow
[21:33] <yuppie> leftyfb: network of the client?
[21:33] <leftyfb> yes
[21:33] <leftyfb> yuppie: preseed sets the config for the target install, not the installer
[21:33] <yuppie> leftyfb: can you tell me where to look to set the network stuff?
[21:33] <yuppie> im p sure i have DHCP setup
[21:34] <yuppie> im grabbing the preseed file via HTTP
[21:34] <yuppie> my DHCP router is just pointing at the PXE server
[21:36] <yuppie> leftyfb: do you know how i can just get a shell during the install?
[21:39] <motaka2> hello, my7 ubuntu doesnt have sound. after trying some online solutions, I dont have even sound icons in the tray
[21:39] <yuppie> leftyfb: im not sure you're right about the networking stuff
[21:45] <bobdobbs> And just now my system locked up for about a minute! What could be happening?
[21:46] <yuppie> looks like my DHCP is getting set to have DNS that points to 0.0.0.0
[21:46] <yuppie> which sucks ...
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[22:01] <guideX> the website keeps going for the amd ubuntu
[22:01] <guideX> where's the intel one
[22:02] <guideX> on this page https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server it keeps getting 18.04 live server amd
[22:03] <plugwash> That is a case of confusing terminology. "amd64" is for 64-bit PCs both AMD and Intel
[22:03] <guideX> oic
[22:11] <nacc> yuppie: are you failing to have network in the pxe environment or in the resulting installed system?
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[22:27] <blkadder> Trying to sort out what happened to grub in 18.04. 16.04 has package grub which provides /usr/sbin/grub but not in 18.04. Any pointers?
[22:29] <r007z> Hello world, can anyone suggest a good way to backup encrypted luks lvm incremental ?
[22:30] <Two_Dogs> blkadder:  copy/paste & execute via terminal> dpkg -l grub* ## what installed? package wise i mean
[22:30] <nacc> blkadder: there is no grub binary in 18.04
[22:30] <nacc> blkadder: you would never have run it in 16.04 anyways, so what are you actually trying to do?
[22:31] <blkadder> Packer...
[22:31] <blkadder> Trying to create a AWS instance backed AMI w/18.04.
[22:32] <blkadder> 16.04 works fine...
[22:32] <nacc> blkadder: that's the legacy grub1
[22:32] <nacc> blkadder: i'm pretty sure 18.04 is all grub2
[22:32] <blkadder> ec2 ami tools require grub...
[22:32] <nacc> blkadder: that sounds like a questionf or ec2 or packer
[22:32] <blkadder> Sure np...
[22:32] <blkadder> thx
[22:32] <Two_Dogs> yes, grub2 has been default for a while
[22:33] <blkadder> Tell AWS. ;-)
[22:33] <Two_Dogs> now called 'grub'
[22:34] <libben> Hmm. I want to learn to build my own router based on ubuntu 18.04 with netplan and iptables (If i understand correctly ufw is only a nicer frontend for iptables in background). All guides I find is on old ubuntu/debian. I would appreciate if someone could tell me what steps to take and what to disable or use in latest ubuntu server.
[22:34] <EternalMana> Hello, so I manually installed Ubuntu 18.04 with root on zfs using this guide https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS (Cause I'm a masochist I guess) and network manager is missing at the top of the screen... Normally I wouldn't care so much, but manually doing dhclient in terminal when I restart is annoying (I don't know anything about Linux since systemd became a thing) what
[22:34] <EternalMana> gives? did I do anything wrong? Can I get that network thing back up?
[22:35] <nacc> EternalMana: is NM running?
[22:38] <EternalMana> nacc: I think so, I did restart network manager using systemctl restart NetworkManager
[22:40] <j75> My netplan .yaml file isn't registering in ip addr. I can manually add an ipv6 address with ip addr add 2013:342:ff... dev eth0. However, it doesn't update "ip addr" list when I run netplan apply or restart systemd-networkd. What am I doing wrong?
[22:40] <j75> manually adding the using "ip addr add" doesn't persist across reboots though
[22:42] <nacc> j75: pastebin your netplan yaml; you may also want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[22:42] <nacc> j75: there is also #netplan
[22:43] <j75> thanks nacc
[22:45] <nacc> EternalMana: what does `systemctl status NetworkManager` say?
[22:46] <j75> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SgNVfNk2rs/
[22:46] <j75> nacc: I am using systemd-network not NetworkManager
[22:47] <nacc> j75: i know, I directed the last comment to EternalMana
[22:47] <j75> nacc: I know but just letting you know for my specific case
[22:47] <EternalMana> nacc: https://pastebin.com/7QJ05ggU
[22:49] <nacc> EternalMana: so it's running and maybe the indicator isn't working? did you just try going throug settings -> network? or wifi or whatever
[22:52] <EternalMana> nacc: https://hikarihq.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Screenshot-from-2018-05-24-18-51-23.png
[22:53] <EternalMana> I guess something's missing?
[22:53] <EternalMana> As for wifi, I don't have a wifi card on this PC
[22:56] <guest_> which DE has windows title like unity ( dont waste space for title bar) ?
[22:56] <guest_> not talking about MS windows
[22:56] <nacc> EternalMana: ok, i'm not sure; on my 18.04, even with no cable plugged in, i have network -> wired
[22:57] <EternalMana> Hmmm
[22:57] <EternalMana> Weird
[22:57] <EternalMana> Well I'll reboot again and see, thanks ^
[22:57] <EternalMana> ^^
[22:57] <matjam> guest_: ubuntu MATE can do it
[22:57] <raidghost> Your Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) is supported until April 2019.
[22:58] <matjam> guest_: theres a mode in MATE Tweaks
[22:58] <raidghost> I dont see how that could be.
[22:58] <nacc> raidghost: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[22:58] <guest_> matjam: i want modern look
[22:58] <j75> guest_: I use xfce with a window thin window theme http://i.imgur.com/BFEvuiw.png
[22:58] <raidghost> 18.04 upgraded from 16.04 LTS
[22:58] <nacc> raidghost: hrm, dunno, there's no hwe stack installed yet on 18.04. what is emitting that message?
[22:59] <matjam> guest_: thats how I had MATE set up: https://u.teknik.io/WALO3.png
[22:59] <raidghost> nacc: the motd message thingy in ubuntu when signed in
[22:59] <nacc> raidghost: but in any case 18.04.0 and 18.04.1 are supportd until 2023
[22:59] <nacc> raidghost: have you rebooted since you upgraded (note that 16.04 -> 18.04 upgrades aren't supported yet)
[23:00] <raidghost> nacc: i know i use ubuntu server 16.04 on my libvirt host.
[23:00] <oerheks> oh, jsut the message
[23:00] <raidghost> nacc: So i might have broken the system?
[23:00] <raidghost> Upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 LTS?
[23:00] <nacc> raidghost: doubtful, but you upgraded ahead of when it was supported
[23:00] <guest_> how i can conver ubuntu 18.04 to mate ?
[23:01] <raidghost> nacc: figured out that i could use export MONO_TLS_PROVIDER=legacy to fix the mono problem :P
[23:01] <nacc> raidghost: i don't know what mono problem  you are referring to, but ok :)
[23:02] <guest_> matjam: how to conver ubuntu to ubuntu mate ?
[23:02] <oerheks> chmod -x /etc/update-motd.d/95-hwe-eol
[23:02] <oerheks> !info mate-desktop
[23:02] <ubottu> mate-desktop (source: mate-desktop): Library with common API for various MATE modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.20.1-2ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 22 kB, installed size 83 kB
[23:02] <raidghost> nacc: I Love ubuntu and hate winblows. One reason why i converted my parents laptops from winbl* to ubuntu
[23:02] <oerheks> guest_  install mate-desktop, logout, change desktop and voila
[23:03] <raidghost> They love it.
[23:03] <guest_> thx
[23:03] <raidghost> No virus and malevare
[23:03] <raidghost> ooh. Malware, oh my
[23:03] <raidghost> I better find the bed, How could i write maleware when i ment malware :P
[23:03] <guest_> !pm ubottu !info mate-desktop
[23:03] <ubottu> guest_: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:04] <raidghost> Have a lovely night/morning/afternoon I`ll be back later;)
[23:11] <matjam> guest_: well, I just installed it.
[23:11] <matjam> guest_: I think its hard to convert as you'll end up all all kinds of conflicting stuff.
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[23:22] <brechbohne92> does anyone know the ubuntu default lvm installer encription strength?
[23:23] <brechbohne92> or maybe a command to get the answer
[23:25] <Two_Dogs> brechbohne92 ubuntu default lvm installer encryption strength? https://git.io/vhLmY
[23:26] <brechbohne92> Two_Dogs, yeah, thats what I mean, ok I check out the link, thanks
[23:26] <blackflow> brechbohne92: cryptsetup luksDump /dev/...
[23:26] <Two_Dogs> brechbohne92: link #3 looked promising
[23:28] <matjam> brechbohne92: lvm is not encrypted
[23:28] <matjam> brechbohne92: unless you chose the 'encrypted' volume setup, then it's not lvm, its through dev mapper
[23:28] <brechbohne92> sha256
[23:28] <matjam> sha256 is not an encryption algorithm
[23:29] <brechbohne92> I did the check in lvm and encrypted
[23:29] <brechbohne92> thanks to blackflow
[23:29] <brechbohne92> sudo cryptsetup luksDump (dev/sda5 worked
[23:29] <brechbohne92> :D
[23:29] <blackflow> brechbohne92: technically, matjam is correct. LVM is atop of a LUKS container, which is THE encryption. LVM per se is not encryption
[23:29] <brechbohne92> ( = /
[23:29] <matjam> brechbohne92: ls /dev/mapper
[23:29] <matjam> brechbohne92: cryptsetup status DEVICE_crypt
[23:30] <matjam> replace DEVICE with whatever your _crypt device is in /dev/mapper
[23:30] <brechbohne92> yes, sorry for my misleading question, sure I meant it like you told me
[23:30] <matjam> for me it's a 512bit key
[23:30] <blackflow> brechbohne92: and the thing you're looking for is Cipher, Cipher mode and MK bits (key size)
[23:30] <matjam> brechbohne92: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/39306/how-secure-is-ubuntus-default-full-disk-encryption
[23:31] <blackflow> probably teh cryptsetup default aes xts plain 64, but with 128 bit key.
[23:31] <brechbohne92> ahhh
[23:31] <matjam> 512bit keys
[23:31] <brechbohne92> sudo cryptsetup status sda5_crypt tells me 512
[23:32] <brechbohne92> aes xts plain 64 cipher
[23:32] <brechbohne92> okay, next question, is this default ubuntu installer option "safe" enough?
[23:32] <brechbohne92> or should I increase it?
[23:32] <matjam> plain 64 is not the cipher
[23:32] <matjam> that's the IV generation mechanism
[23:32] <matjam> it's sufficient
[23:32] <Two_Dogs> safe is chickenwire and airgap
[23:33] <matjam> yes, it's safe enough.
[23:33] <matjam> (for various values of the word "enough").
[23:33] <blackflow> brechbohne92: question is, what's the attack vector you're protecting against. disk loss? it's more than sufficient. government sponsored cyber attack? it probably isn't.
[23:33] <matjam> it's AES256
[23:33] <matjam> which is pretty damn strong
[23:33] <matjam> don't use a weak passphrase
[23:34] <brechbohne92> so if I use it for my developer notebook, I can sleep well if I let the encryption default?
[23:34] <matjam> the weakest part will be the passphrase you use
[23:34] <brechbohne92> I just want to protect the business data
[23:34] <blackflow> brechbohne92: again, depends on what you're protecting the data against.
[23:34] <blackflow> against what?
[23:34] <brechbohne92> thiefes
[23:34] <blackflow> russian cyber ninjas? or your local neighborhood thief.
[23:34] <brechbohne92> *v
[23:34] <blackflow> if thieves, then it's sufficient :)
[23:35] <helmsdeep> tell me if this is a question (noob question i know) for #linux but i thought I would try the community here. i'm having trouble grasping folder/file permissions. my intention is to have humans bill and roger who belong to the group metalheads to have read/write access to a certain directory and only them. i also want a new file/folder created inside this directory to be able to be read/write by the group. i've tried: chmod 1770 /data/ but any new
[23:35] <helmsdeep> file that gets created inside /data/ is 644 and only the owner of the group (say bill) is the only one that can create in there
[23:35] <blackflow> brechbohne92: also note, that encryption only protects data at rest. meaning, while the computer is off, or disk is taken out.
[23:35] <matjam> helmsdeep: the users making the file need to set their default file permissions with umask.
[23:36] <brechbohne92> blackflow, so if I use it in sleep I assume that it is not protected
[23:36] <matjam> helmsdeep: "man umask"
[23:36] <helmsdeep> matjam, thankyou ill investigate !
[23:36] <blackflow> brechbohne92: not fully.
[23:36] <helmsdeep> matjam, apologies, this is an area of unix/linux i really need to get ontop of
[23:36] <matjam> helmsdeep: you can set users default umask in a bunch of ways, google it.
[23:37] <helmsdeep> matjam, going to try umask 002 (allow group write)
[23:37] <brechbohne92> blackflow, okay cool thanks for the help :)
[23:38] <matjam> brechbohne92: your password protects your data while it's powered on but locked. Encryption stops someone from rebooting the machine and using a USB stick to try and recover the data.
[23:38] <matjam> brechbohne92: use a strong password, use a strong passphrase.
[23:38] <brechbohne92> matjam ahh okay, I thought it would be like that, thanks mate
[23:38] <matjam> brechbohne92: relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/936/
[23:39] <blackflow> uhh no, while the computer is on, and the disks unlocked, the password protects nothing, only the GUI. as long as the keys are in RAM, they're readable.
[23:39] <matjam> this is true, there's not many people able to probe ram
[23:39] <blackflow> the real value of disk encryption is for data at rest. anything else is false sense of security.
[23:39] <matjam> though 3 letter orgs can trivially
[23:39] <brechbohne92> matjam "A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language." lol.
[23:40] <blackflow> matjam: you'd be surprised what it's posible nowadays with a few off the shelf gadgets :)
[23:40] <blackflow> *what is
[23:40] <matjam> I wouldn't be surprised honestly
[23:40] <blackflow> actually 538 is more relevant :)   https://xkcd.com/538/
[23:40] <matjam> haha yup
[23:41] <helmsdeep> matjam, seems like umask isn't directed at a particular directory but as a global user setting?
[23:41] <matjam> thats why some disk crypto systems let you use two passwords, one for the sacrificial crypted volume
[23:41] <Two_Dogs> brechbohne92: unless you develop in the blind at some point your ideas are shared, security went out the window during share process.
[23:41] <matjam> helmsdeep: yes. You set it before you create files. Or log in with a particular umask.
[23:42] <brechbohne92> Two_Dogs thats why github got private repos :D
[23:42] <matjam> helmsdeep: you can also set the SetGID bit
[23:42] <Two_Dogs> brechbohne92: yeah, private
[23:42] <matjam> helmsdeep: chmod g+s dir
[23:42] <helmsdeep> matjam, let me try that.
[23:43] <blackflow> helmsdeep: if users and groups are insufficient like that, also take a look at ACLs, the setfacl(1) manpage for starters.
[23:43] <brechbohne92> btw: is there any nice IRC android app? I dont want to miss a message :D
[23:43] <matjam> go enjoy outside
[23:44] <helmsdeep> lol firm advice
[23:44] <brechbohne92> XD
[23:50] <brechbohne92> so... unity is gone now, is this a final decision? :o it supported hidpi very well (more precision than integer :o)
[23:51] <hggdh> brechbohne92: Unity is now in Universe, and still see development by the community
[23:51] <matjam> I was running MATE for a few days, apparently it has good hidpi support
[23:51] <brechbohne92> hggdh ahh ok
[23:51] <matjam> ended up going back to stock ubuntu because I needed gnome online accounts to work properly
[23:52] <brechbohne92> matjam yes but you can set it to 1 or 2, in unity you could do something like 1.2 or 1.3 ...
[23:54] <brechbo70> test
[23:54] <matjam> brechbo70: I think you can still do that in Ubuntu Gnome Desktop
[23:54] <matjam> looking at it in gnome tweaks now
[23:55] <brechbohne92> I know, the font scaling, scales the interface too
[23:55] <AuroraAvenue> Can or should this RUN Ubuntu ?
[23:55] <AuroraAvenue> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ATLAS-SD9200si-electronic-dictionary/
[23:55] <brechbo70> test2