[01:08] <ubptgbot> emyrs42 was added by: emyrs42
[01:19] <ubptgbot> <amolith> @emyrs42, Welcome, Ivan! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started and feel to ask any questions you may have in here or in our Welcome & Install room!
[01:19] <ubptgbot> <emyrs42> Ok thank you i will check that out.
[01:56] <ubptgbot> <JhoeyLennon> @mateosalta, Could you send me this wallpaper, please?
[01:56] <ubptgbot> <JhoeyLennon> ^^"
[01:58] <ubptgbot> <alan_morford> Good evening from the US. I'd like to do a nandroid backup of my UT install on the N5. Is that possible like it is from android via recorvery?
[02:07] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Just go into recovery and copy the `user-data` and `system-data` folders from the /data partition
[02:07] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> [Edit] Go into recovery and copy the `user-data` and `system-data` folders from the /data partition
[02:08] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You can do that with `adb pull` or your preferred tool.
[02:10] <ubptgbot> <alan_morford> Cool thanks
[02:16] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @JhoeyLennon, http://freakinmonsters.com/2014/08/24/bigger-on-the-inside/
[02:47] <ubptgbot> King was added by: King
[02:58] <ubptgbot> <amolith> @King, Welcome, King! 😉 Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started and feel free to ask any questions you may have in here or in our Welcome & Install room!
[02:59] <ubptgbot> <King> Can any one know, why I not able search any channel and group via search box of telegram, am I blocked by telegram plz reply
[03:13] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You can message @SpamBot to learn of that information
[03:14] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Any further discussion is off-topic and should be brought up with Telegram support.
[03:18] <ubptgbot> <alan_morford> @UniversalSuperBox, Do you know where I can find a flushable image of the latest UT recovery image for N5?
[03:54] <ubptgbot> <alan_morford> *flashable
[04:13] <ubptgbot> <strangerer> @alan_morford, Ha-ha funny
[05:00] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> did we get changelog feature for OTAs in system settings in OTA3?
[05:01] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> what's the plan on how we can communicate to the users that many of their apps won't work after OTA4 and needed to be updated in the openstore and it's not even a sure thing
=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun
[07:38] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> TYVM for the focus on VPNs in the news channel, look forward to reading that blog post.
[08:30] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Javacookies, You mean a pop up warning before OTA4 install?
[08:51] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> not really,  we now have changelogs for apps updates in the system settings app but not sure if we have that for OTAs, that could be helpful to tell people stuffs before updating
[08:52] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> I agree.
[09:01] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> but I kind of remember that it was implemented in OTA3...but my memory might be fooling me :D
[10:38] <t-ask> Hi, I'm about to get me a ubport compatible phone is there another recommendation than the Nexus 5 for convergence?
[10:46] <ubptgbot> <K31j0> Wondering.. which has more native apps, Sailfish or UT
[10:48] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @strangerer, Search in telegram-app doesn't really work I think because of old protocol version
[10:50] <t-ask> I didn't find a current devices list showning all phones and features in a table eg. Is there any?
[10:52] <t-ask> I'm looking into buying a OnePlus One or Nexux 5 for convergence. BUt I'm not sure if the oneplus one convergence is working or not
[10:57] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @t-ask, https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[10:58] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> That's the closer :)
[10:59] <t-ask> thanks ubptgbot, but that is axactly not what I was looking for as it only links me to the Github Issues page where all phones are mixed. Not so helpful that list
[11:00] <t-ask> I thought there might be just a table listing all features in rows and phones iin column next to each other. SO that I can just find the ones who support "convergence" eg.
[11:08] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> They all support it in some form, depending on what you mean when you use that term
[11:17] <t-ask> I'm just not sure if I get me a oneplus one, if the convergence will work, because eg. any needed chip or USB to HDMI adaptor would work. Software-wise I guess they are alle the same. As the Nexus 5 is promoted as "the convergence device", not sure if other phones are working now, too.
[11:18] <t-ask> reading a date of 2015 on Oneplus Ones install page makes me feel, like the information on this device's website might be out of date
[11:22] <t-ask> to sum it up the old feature/phones table was easy to grasp. The new devices list is not very helpful in finding a phone which supports certainfeatures.
[11:23] <t-ask> I think, I go for the NExus 5 then. I feels just too uncertain getting me another one, because I don't know what to expect form that device then.
[11:24] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> Be aware that there's a bug preventing use of libertine on n5
[11:51] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @t-ask, not sure how you got to a github issues page from there. that page is literally the list of all currently supported devices. not sure what "table" you are referring to as a previous thing either. i don't think there was ever a table which listed all possible hardware versus feature things
[12:00] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @t-ask, You can search only for issues related to an specific device if you use the "Labels" to refine your search in Github
[12:01] <t-ask> Searching issues didn
[12:04] <t-ask> 't help me finidng anythin usefull to conversions compatibility. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have such a feature/mobile table in mind if I think of ubuntu phone. It was years ago. Could have been canonicals devices list.
[12:06] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> firstly "convergence" is a vague and unhelpful term. "can use an external dispay" does not necessarily equal "convergence"
[12:06] <t-ask> Maybe someone of the ubports devs has a excel sheet which could be used as a basic table. With the current list it is more confusing IMHO
[12:06] <ubptgbot> <DanChapman> @t-ask, Do you mean this list? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[12:06] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> This is a 100% volunteer project. You're the best to make that table you have in your mind
[12:07] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> if what you want is "can use an external display" that's a specific hardware feature, not a defining feature of "convergence" (which is still vague and not helpful)
[12:08] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> really, the core and primary defining feature of "convergence" was always "shared code base across all devices"
[12:09] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I agree....but obviously, most people connotes convergence with external display + desktop mode
[12:09] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> should we think of a term for external display + desktop mode feature? :D
[12:10] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Javacookies, well, i don't think it is obvious, because "convergence" like "desktop" is a vague and meaningless term
[12:10] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> anyone can apply any of a number of "meaning" to the term, and use it in that way, and it not be obvious to someone to whom it is being said
[12:12] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> i've been trying to get people to stop saying "desktop" for over a decade already, but nobody listens to me
[12:12] <t-ask> Yes, I think I misunderstood the term "convergence", too. I was thinking of "That Device allows me to use ubport with external display"
[12:14] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> the nexus devices support Slimport, the M10 has a direct HDMI connector, and Pro 5 works with Miracast (probably lots of other devices will too). I don't know what devices support MHL if any, or what the OnePlus or Fairphone devices support there.
[12:14] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> The two BQ phones can't use external display at all, IIRC
[12:14] <t-ask> But what I was just looking for is just a table which simply shows me "Yes, with this device you can connect it to an external display and it switches to convergeance mode"
[12:15] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> there has never been a table which outlined the specific supported features of individual devices
[12:17] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> the goal has always been to support as many features as the hardware allows for
[12:22] <t-ask> Understandable. I just want to help a bit what is needed to get people as fast as possible into using uports if they are loking for advice which device is the one to get. Or better said which features which device supports so far.
[12:23] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> Honestly, for anyone in the US, the Nexus devices have always been the best ones to get.
[12:24] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> In APAC, probably best supported device is the Pro 5.
[12:26] <t-ask> I think I know now whith which tables I mixed it up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[12:27] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> there used to be a not-really-a-table thing on the old-old-old ubports page, which i think listed core things which did not work, IIRC
[12:27] <t-ask> somthing like the "State of things" list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/maserati just for all devices on columns would be nice
[12:30] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> Yeah, and someone else should do it ASAP :)
[12:31] <t-ask> I'm into foss long enough that I know how suggestions often arer ead as "someone else should do it".
[12:38] <t-ask> I was just searchign the website for helping me suggesting a device I need or which device I might already have and how "well" it works. They after getting lost I asked here and just wanted to inform you that its not easy to do with the current website or I was just missing something. I didn't intend that something has to be done ASAP at all. I help If I can and if I have the time to. In this case I'm not
[12:38] <t-ask> even into ubports for some hours browsing the site.
[12:40] <ubptgbot> <remi> Hi! What should I do to port Ubuntu Touch to my device?
[12:48] <t-ask> dohbee: Thans for explaining the external devices compatibility. I think this helps me too decide now.
[12:53] <t-ask> THank you all for helping out. Wish you the best. cu
[12:55] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @remi, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
[13:10] <ubptgbot> <remi> @advocatux, I'm aware of the documentation, but I also would want to know whether there are any special mobile hardware requirements or other informations that aren't included in docs.
[13:14] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @remi, Well stay away from Mediatek phones. Thats my advice 😆
[13:19] <ubptgbot> <jonny> @remi, Enter the porting groups (halium and ubports). You will need them.
[13:57] <ubptgbot> J S was added by: J S
[14:18] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> xwayland would be eventually replace xmir, am I right?
[14:18] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> is it better at the moment?
[14:18] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> yes
[14:21] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> yes for both questions? :D
[14:26] <ubptgbot> <alan_griffiths> Xwayland is only useful with Mir versions that support Wayand. These are more recent than the versionused on the phone.
[14:26] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> well, it's "better" but might not be on the phone images yet :)
[14:30] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> okay, I see.... thanks
[14:31] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> just thought of it because I tried xmir again on my Nexus 5 and cursor handling frustrates me,LOL
[14:32] <ubptgbot> <Ttx Tea> The fairphone has only a micro usb port and bluetooth. Has anyone every tried to use an external keyboard with the fairphone? Is there a recomended keyboard?
[14:37] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I don't have a fairphone but I would think compatibility will be mostly the same across UT devices
[14:37] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I've used foldable keyboards and they work well
[14:38] <ubptgbot> <Javacookies> I'm currently using one...the brand is BOW dual folds (trifolds?) and it works wired or bluetooth
[14:38] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> assuming fp2 supports BT 4.2, most any keyboard should work reasonably ok
[14:39] <ubptgbot> <Ttx Tea> thanks!
[14:41] <ubptgbot> <Ttx Tea> its bluetooth 4.0 though. But I'll go for a wire ;)
[14:43] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> also i think there's a bluetooth compatibility thread on the forum
[14:44] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @remi, Then why didn't you ask that?
[14:49] <ubptgbot> <remi> @advocatux, Besides what I've already said, I've also read about 16.04 rebase in progress, so I wanted to ask anyway.
[14:49] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> there are no specific hardware requirements of ubports really. but the less RAM/CPU/GPU you have, the more likely you are to have problems. as long as you have kernel source and device/vendor trees, you should be able to create a port
[14:51] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @remi, No problem. I just wanted to point out that the usual answer for "What should I do to port Ubuntu Touch to my device?" is to link the docs about it
[14:59] <ubptgbot> <remi> @dohbee, Good point. Does porting require huge changes in kernel or device tree? When you port AOSP-based ROM the necessary changes are trivial, but what does it look like when porting a Linux distribution? I know that it's more like a halium-related question, but I'd also want to know if there are some special requirements for u
[14:59] <ubptgbot> buntu.
[15:04] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> not huge changes, but we do require some changes to the kernel config, and i think a few small patches, depending on kernel version
[15:05] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> specifically UT requires apparmor enabled
[15:27] <ubptgbot> <zubozrout> Anyone else experiencing this weird behaviour when trying to copy stuff from clipboard over to Telegram? Seems persistent even on Xenial but since copying works in other apps I suspect this is a Telegram specific issue. If I click on paste icon the popup disappears but no text is filled in.
[15:29] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> I don't think paste function is implemented yet in telegram
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> If you want to share a link from a web page for example you must use the share button in the browser
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> paste should work fine in any standard text entry widget in native apps (x11 stuff is trickier)
[15:35] <ubptgbot> <zubozrout> Well, I have this app that you can search public transport connections with and from time to time I use it'c copy function to share the connection with others. And don't want to mess with share functionality not to mention even on Android where this is implemented for similar app I use copy/paste. The data are in clipboard but I c
[15:35] <ubptgbot> an't copy them to Telegram specifically. Same happened on Vivid ~ year ago and it is still present unfortunately.
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> Yup
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> You can't. Sadly
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> You can use web telegram
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <malditobastardo> I think there is ok
[15:42] <ubptgbot> <zubozrout> Clipboard worked from time to time if I am not mistaken. As for web telegram, it is crashing on Xenial for me - should be already reported.
[16:08] <ubptgbot> <zubozrout> @dohbee oh, and you are right. This must be a standard text input field in Telegram but for some reason paste doesn't work reliably while I can always paste stuf in other apps.
[16:10] <ubptgbot> <koni_raid> @Flohack, is this also true for tablets, like the bq 10 fdh?
[16:10] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> the bq m10 is already ported
[16:10] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @koni_raid, For porting: Yes since Mediatek uses unfree device and vendor trees. For daily use: You can use it of course, its a nice device.
[16:11] <ubptgbot> <zubozrout> All I can think of is some routine in Telegram that deletes text in the input field if it loses focus (upon clicking the popup paste button)
[16:12] <ubptgbot> <koni_raid> @Flohack, thanks a lot
[16:17] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @zubozrout, i think telegram is doing some weird stuff with the input field maybe, becasue it has the audio recording and sticker selection stuff as well, and dealing with quoted replies and such, so maybe something it does causes copy/paste stuff to break there
[16:18] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @zubozrout, Feel free to make a ticket ,)
[16:42] <ubptgbot> <zubozrout> @Flohack Thank you :), done: https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/issues/176
[16:46] <ubptgbot> trantuminh was added by: trantuminh
[17:01] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @trantuminh, Hi Minh, welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to learn the basics
[18:14] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> Hey guys!  Wondering if anyone had a second to help me out with my Nexus 5?  I'm trying to flash it from ubports to lineage OS (just temporarily... I'm going to be doing some traveling and need access to a handful of android apps while I'm out and about), and then I want to make sure I can flash it back to ubports when I'm back h
[18:14] <ubptgbot> ome in a couple weeks.
[18:15] <ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> Sure! Just go to @WelcomePlus where we help with installing
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> There some install-guru will help in case you have any issue or question
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> Ah!  lol, thought I was in the welcome group... sorry.  Thanks!
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> or anything
[18:17] <ubptgbot> <TronFortyTwo> @Ken Monnin, 👍
[21:03] <ubptgbot> <PartyNerd420> Just wanted to go on record, the people in the welcome group saved me today!  🙌 All praise be to the ubports community!  Thank you all for the help and support!
[21:26] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/2DkYL6f1.webp