[09:08] <mate|89400> Hey, I am running the latest Ubuntu MATE on my retina Macbook Pro and the window icons are quite blurry. Is there anything that can help? Icon packs or some setting perhaps? Thanks for an awesome piece of software. :-)
[09:13] <gnugr> mate|89400: probably you need graphic drivers i.e. nvidia-driver
[09:13] <mate|89400> @gnugr Forgot to mention I only have the Intel integrated GPU :)
[09:17] <gnugr> mate|89400: check for firmware-linux, firmware-misc-nonfree, firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree, but i've no idea how the correct names are under Ubuntu
[09:19] <gnugr> assuming you have nonfree activate in sources.list
[09:20] <gnugr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[09:22] <gnugr> linux-firmware-nonfree is the name under Ubuntu
[09:23] <gnugr> and just linux-firmware
[09:24] <gnugr> for -misc-nonfree not a clue
[09:24] <m4t> mate|89400: if you install mate-tweak there is an option for HiDPI...that might help
[09:25] <m4t> i dunno if that applies to icons though
[09:25]  * m4t doesn't have any retina stuffs
[09:34] <gnugr> m4t: HIDPI is for scaling monitors, not for main graphics resolution
[09:35] <m4t> oh they didn't mention the resolution
[09:36] <gnugr> HIDPI helps you i.e. to connect with a smart TV
[09:37] <mate|89400> Yeah, everything seems to scale nicely (got HiDPI turn on in MATE Tweak). The only exception is the icons in general (probably bad resolution images from the applications themselves). But the window buttons are the main needle in my eye right now :P
[09:37] <m4t> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI "HiDPI (High Dots Per Inch) displays, also known by Apple's "Retina Display" marketing name, are screens with a high resolution in a relatively small format. They are mostly found in high-end laptops and monitors."
[09:38] <m4t> mate|89400: can you post a screenshot to pasteboard.co?
[09:38] <m4t> printscreen + copy to clipboard then cntrl-v there should do it
[09:39] <m4t> er mac doesnt have printscreen does it lol
[09:39] <m4t> you can run mate-screenshot from a terminal
[09:41] <mate|89400> https://pasteboard.co/Hn65mmh.png
[09:42] <m4t> oh
[09:43] <mate|89400> Here is another one with more icons which shows how other icons are very sharp and nice. https://pasteboard.co/Hn65HmV.png
[09:43] <m4t> ah yeah
[09:43] <m4t> it uses .png
[09:43] <m4t> check 'em out in /usr/share/themes/Radiant-MATE/metacity-1/*.png
[09:44] <m4t> er
[09:44] <m4t> wrong theme. i meant /usr/share/themes/Ambiant-MATE/metacity-1
[09:45] <gnugr> mate|89400: sure you din't touch/activate HIDPI IN MATE-TWEAK?
[09:46] <m4t> those are fixed 19x19 images, i think the scaling is just making them blurry
[09:46] <mate|89400> @gnugr It is on Auto-detect so I presume it is on HiDPI..? :s
[09:46] <m4t> ideally they'd be svg or something
[09:46] <gnugr> mOK
[09:46] <gnugr> OK*
[09:47] <m4t> /usr/share/themes/Ambiant-MATE/metacity-1/close.png: PNG image data, 19 x 19, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced
[09:47] <mate|89400> Yeah, must be that. There are just upscaled raster images :P
[09:47] <m4t> if i open it in eom and size it like 400% it looks the same
[09:47] <m4t> im only @ 1920x1080
[09:48] <mate|89400> @m4t Look at it now and it does not look very nice when scaling it haha
[09:49] <m4t> can you try Menta and BlueMenta?
[09:49] <m4t> those look to use .svg instead of .png
[09:50] <mate|89400> Still looks pretty bad :(
[09:50] <m4t> huh
[09:51] <mate|89400> https://pasteboard.co/Hn699MM.png
[09:52] <m4t> have you tried turning hidpi explicitly on / off to see what it does?
[09:52] <m4t> i know when i turn it on everything gets huge. if you turned it off i suspect everything would get very small.
[09:52] <mate|89400> Yes, indeed that is what happened haha
[09:52] <m4t> mini?
[09:53] <mate|89400> Yeah, regular = mini, Auto-detect (same as HiDPI) upscaled
[09:53] <m4t> ah
[09:53] <m4t> https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/386
[09:53] <m4t> looks like it was *just* fixed march 21st
[09:54] <m4t> so it didn't make it into 18.04. maybe Wimpress can cherry pick it for a backport
[09:54] <m4t> or whoever. :)
[09:55] <m4t> wait..
[09:55] <m4t> he already did LOL
[09:56] <m4t> it made it to mate 1.20.1 actually which is what 18.04 shipped with
[09:57] <m4t> and actually it was cherry picked into 1.20 before getting merged into 1.20.1. if you 'apt changelog marco' you'll see
[10:00] <m4t> i dunno then :( maybe you could comment on github
[10:00] <mate|89400> Hmm, the themes with .svg images should look much better than they do. Yeah, gonna do that. :)
[10:00] <m4t> bbl
[10:01] <m4t> i think they *are* being scaled...but the scaling is actually making them blurry. so working as intended, just the png's are too tiny to look good when upscaled.
[10:01] <m4t> the svg's yeah, they should look better i think. i guess it depends on how they're defined in .svg or something
[10:03] <mate|89400> Hmm, I wanna leave a comment about this somewhere but not sure where it makes the most sense. In the PR? In the orignal (closed) issue..? :s
[10:04] <m4t> well. they're aware of the svg issue (someone already commented) and regarding the current themes, well, scaling can't automatically add extra resolution to the image...
[10:04] <m4t> it's going to get pixellated :/
[10:04] <mate|89400> True that
[10:05] <m4t> if you goto gnome-look there are some hidpi themes
[10:05] <m4t> like https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1006952/
[10:08] <m4t> tbh im kinda confused what they mean by metacity lol
[10:08] <m4t> i dunno if they mean metacity 3.x or 2.x (marco)
[10:19] <m4t> mate|89400: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-artwork/+bugs is probably the place to file a bug
[10:20] <m4t> i don't see one about the window decorations being to small for hidpi
[10:23] <mate|89400> Thanks, will file a bug report for it there! :)
[10:24] <m4t> cool
[13:20] <mate|89400> @m4t Thanks for your help today btw. :)
[21:58] <swift110> hey