[00:05] alan1: check your host's DNS settings and make sure that the router's IP is the first entry === victorbjelkholm_ is now known as victorbjelkholm === zas_ is now known as zas [00:07] SporkWitch: /etc/hosts has only 127.0.0.1 localhost & 127.0.1.1 P100. I'd rather not hard-code my router's IP if it can be avoided. Is there a way to make it search? My router's hostname has the same problem. [00:08] alan1: that's not where that's configured; /etc/hosts is not DNS, it is static mappings, checked before any other resolution is done [00:08] !dns | alan1 [00:08] alan1: To set up a Domain Name Service see the !serverguide - https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/dns.html [00:09] SporkWitch: Thanks, I'll read that. [00:09] is 40c normal temp for laptop? [00:09] ignore that; i was hoping the bot would have client-focused guidance in this channel, since there's a separate server channel lol [00:09] 40c is great [00:09] gambl0re: that's actually really cool [00:09] so what is considered hot? [00:09] or overheating [00:09] gambl0re: normal under-load for most CPUs and GPUs is 55-70; over 70 start looking into cooling solutions [00:10] over 70F? [00:10] Anyone use tgtadm with vmware esxi hosts? I cant get vmware to recognize any kind of backing-store but a .img flat file made by dd. Direct disks (/dev/sdxxx) and luns (/dev/mapper/vg-1/lv-1) show the controller but no formattable space [00:10] 40c is over 70f isnt it? [00:10] typically, but it depends on your chips; google the model and standard operating temps for references [00:11] kevr: who said anything about freedom units? we're talking real units here [00:11] AMD chips are usually fine ~60, intel is usually fine ~72 [00:11] celcius [00:11] celsius* [00:11] SporkWitch: he mentioned 70F [00:11] gambl0re, specs of the vendor can tell, sometimes 105'C is normal [00:11] d'oh, missed that [00:11] bad, gambl0re, don't change units mid-discussion :P [00:11] kevr 40C = 104F [00:11] caught me offguard [00:11] yeah, thought so [00:11] he probably meant C [00:12] presumably [00:12] 70C sounds like a more normal limit [00:12] 70C is USUALLY the "keep an eye on it" mark, in my experience. Depending on the chip it's not necessarily a bad thing, but if it goes much over you might want to look into more cooling [00:16] k thanks [00:22] matjam: did you see my PM? [00:24] is there a dhcp.conf checker tool, lol... cause I dont see a damn thing wrong, but I did move the location of a few things because it was internittent [00:29] google ftw (maybe) sudo dhcpd -cf /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf [00:32] so I think I see a problem in dhcp.conf that ...... should not be happening [00:34] eg,....... No subnet declaration for enp4s0f2 (no IPv4 addresses). [00:34] ** Ignoring requests on enp4s0f2. [00:34] can you pastebin? [00:34] but all of my nics are on "br0" and that is defined, works, and has no issues [00:35] I can, but it has mac addresses and machine names in it. [00:35] ok [00:35] so prefer not (even though that info is not strictly private) [00:36] that's ok no worries [00:37] netsplit === Seveas is now known as Guest16962 === Fleet is now known as Guest95107 === Ishaq is now known as Guest97186 === coolchris is now known as Guest26621 === Adran is now known as Guest38601 === matjam is now known as Guest22628 === nuc is now known as Guest27474 === Guest95107 is now known as Fleet === pocketprotector- is now known as pocketprotector [01:06] split banaaaaaana over? [01:08] anyone have any suggestions on dhcp.conf complaining about no subnet being assigned to a nic, when the nic is in a group.... and the group is assigned? I think its not wise to a bridge === Guest97186 is now known as Ishaq === y0sh- is now known as y0sh [01:14] I'd really like to remove the silly "no subnet defined" errors from my dhcpd conf since they are served on the br0 === Tempesta_ is now known as Tempesta === flotwig_ is now known as flotwig === prime is now known as Guest2033 [01:45] anybody very familiar with puppy linux here? you will see that it's a ubuntu question [01:48] this is still driving me nuts.... isc-dhcp-server does not start on boot, but I can manually start it fine [01:49] I ran the -t -cf on it, and there aren't any errors in it. But it errors on start [01:50] the only messsage I get is the no subnet defined message and looking at various posts, this by design (since they are on a br0) === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [02:13] what new happens in the land of the freedom ? :D [02:17] what is suid? [02:17] does it allow us to be root for sometime? [02:19] suid allows you run a program as a different user [02:19] oh i'm broken === Elimin8r is now known as Elimin8er [02:29] is there some magical way of getting Qt 5.6 onto 16.04 LTS on ARM (aarch64) that doesn't involve me having to build it from source? === moriens_ is now known as Moriens [02:31] or any Qt >= 5.6 for that matter === mkv is now known as m4v [02:33] i have the problem with suid. i did u+s file.py.. the owner of the file.py has -rwsrw-r-- and now if i do su - testuser and execute the command, it says permission denied [02:33] what am i doing wrong [02:37] ugh, I don't know if I even *can* build it on this board [02:38] anyone? [02:39] littlepyro: The setgid bit allows files created under the directory to inherit the group of the directory, instead of that of the creating process; It is separate from the execute bit and S : indicates that the file/folder does not have executable permissions for that user on that particular file/folder , [02:40] littlepyro: see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9133024/www-data-permissions . [02:41] Bashing-om: so from my understanding, i thought suid will allow any user to execute a program by carrying the permission of the owner [02:41] Bashing-om: suid also needs files to be executable? [02:41] my question was not about sgid yet [02:42] the suid sets ownership at the group level . Only those users in the group can mess with the file . [02:43] kimmyk: "file.py has -rwsrw-r-- a" says you are referring to setgid . [02:46] Bashing-om: let me clearly explain my problem [02:46] -rwsrw-r-x. 1 vagrant vagrant 30 May 30 02:24 test.py - file1 [02:47] now when i su - testr and execute the program test.py [02:47] i get the permission denied error [02:49] anyone have thought as to how to heal this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kPhRT6CJ8s/ ? [02:53] donofrio, why. [02:54] cause I would liketo not have package errors ;) [02:54] ;( [03:00] littlepyro: when you execute 'groups' is vagrant listed ? : Users in the vagrant group can access the program test.py file . [03:06] donofrio: looks like you may have corrupt deb package? or uninstall ebtables; then re-install? [03:07] IcemanV9, I'll try that.... [03:08] I am having dns hostname resolution problems. I can resolve internet hostnames but not names on my local network. ping my.ip.add.ress works. dig myHost @my.router.ip.address yields the correct IP in the answer section. I want to avoid hardcoding any addresses if possible. I've read !dns. Didn't help. Any suggestions? [03:09] Bashing-om: yes it is [03:09] Bashing-om: should the file permissions carry +x also? [03:11] Hey, could you help me set custom DPI on linux with XFCE4 DE ? i have 1080p 60' monitor and ideally i would like to have the ability to rescale each window nor make them all smaller to fix this screen.. Right now its like one app on fullscreen [03:11] Thanks for help! [03:13] littlepyro: In your use case you oenly want the owner to be able to exiecute the code . so no, -rws for "owner" sets executable for thise in the group. ' grep 'sysop' /etc/group [03:14] littlepyro: bad paste for grep . be as to follow. [03:15] Bashing-om: i have two users usera and userb.. usera has filea.py which has -rwsrw-r-- [03:15] Bashing-om: now when i do su - userb; and try executing /home/usera/filea.py; since suid is set the file has to execute right? [03:15] am i correct here? [03:15] littlepyro: ' grep 'vagrant' /etc/group ' should show what vagrant hgas access to . [03:17] longword: NO... only those in the group vagrant can execute any files grouped to vagrant . [03:20] littlepyro: sorry longword - littlepyro see above: also maybe https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups will help shed some light, [03:22] hi [03:22] anyone on [03:28] littlepyro: Greg has an outstanding titorial of permissions and the setuid and setgid bits : http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions . [03:28] tutorial* === Guest50949 is now known as Kitlith [03:29] sure Bashing-om , let me see === S-H-AR-K is now known as IRAN_33_CE [03:33] algum brasileiro ai? [03:34] hi [03:34] hellow [03:35] IRAN_33_CE: Hello, English - ubuntu support here , [03:35] Bashing-om: hi [03:36] IRAN_33_CE: You have a support issue for ubuntu ? [03:36] I am having dns hostname resolution problems. I can resolve internet hostnames but not names on my local network. ping my.ip.add.ress works. dig myHost @my.router.ip.address yields the correct IP in the answer section. I want to avoid hardcoding any addresses if possible. I've read !dns. Didn't help. Any suggestions? [03:42] I'm not sure the proper channel to ask. I'm looking for suggestions for a multiprotocol chat client that can access Facebook messenger as well as others. If not that, just a FB messenger client in general. I'm tired of having to have the website open to communicate with friends and family. I'd prefer not to have to get anything directly from facebook. Any help offered is much appreciated [03:42] Running 18.04 [03:49] Whats the best ftp server for Linux? [03:50] tcpdump: sftp via ssh i would think [03:50] Two_Dogs: regrettably it needs to be ftp [03:50] :/ [03:52] tcpdump: ftpd from repo === Menzador is now known as FatherMenzie [03:55] https://git.io/vhsIv [03:55] fyi on ftpd tcpdump ^^ === FatherMenzie is now known as Menzador [04:02] hey all [04:03] swift110: morning [04:11] morning [04:11] evening [04:11] night [04:12] hello. can I set firefox in Ubuntu to we by default windows always on top? [04:17] how are you lotuspsychje [04:18] !discuss | swift110 [04:18] swift110: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [04:18] I've created a folder(symbolic link to /dev/sda8) in /dev/sda9. but everytime I create a new folder and files inside that folder, /dev/sda9 gets filled, I expected that /dev/sda8 should only be filled because it's just a symbolic link. It works as expected if I test using fallacate. [04:18] do I need to convert those files and folders to a symbolic link before they work? [04:20] fearless_man, what do you mean with "filled" ? [04:20] I've monitored it using df [04:20] the partition [04:21] how do you create these subfolders and files ? [04:22] Instead of doing some symlink directly to sd you should do instead a bindmount to an actual folder [04:22] jluc: I don't know exactly how, it's a java program that creates log files [04:22] genii: bindmount how does that work? [04:23] fearless_man: Usually for mounting folders to other folders [04:24] could you maybe create a hard link ? [04:24] what is "fallacate" ? [04:25] jluc: well, I think that's what it does, that java program might be creating a hard link by default [04:25] oh fallocate http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/fallocate.2.html [04:25] jluc: it's a way to allocate a dummy file [04:25] genii: so anything that is created in that file is created in a different partition? [04:26] you could create your symbolic link as a hard link rather than a soft link [04:26] to sda8 [04:26] when the java write cant manage soft links [04:26] If you just make links to raw devices, how can the system know what filesystem to use? [04:26] jluc: I think I'll go with the bindmount [04:26] genii: they are the same filesystem [04:27] I'll try bindmounts [04:27] * genii wanders back to studying schematics [04:30] hey guys, is there an IRC channel for linux noobs? [04:32] castor00001110: This channel also works for noobs - we were ALL noobs at one time . [04:33] sweet, can someone explain the difference between an environment variable and a shell variable? [04:33] Hey guys, I notice my keyboard and touchpad dying after plugging multiple USB devices at once. It's something I have not experienced before, I have not done any changes to my system. I am running Ubuntu 16.04 on a Macbook Pro mid-2014 [04:33] if I were to export a shell variable, would it be available in a new terminal session? [04:34] genii: well, I've tried bindmount, but it seems those two partitions gets filled up [04:34] still [04:35] eraserpencil, i don't know, but I'd suggest it was the devices are using more voltage than the host USB can provide... [04:35] I have actually ran the same setup for a few months now. Have not given me any errors previously [04:37] eraserpencil, if stressed, the power that can be produced can reduce with age (you get a longer life when you don't stress power supplies etc). note: it could be amperage & not voltage that is the issue === shann_ is now known as shannara [04:47] guiverc: So I should... slowly load the USB devices? [04:48] eraserpencil, note: i don't know, but my suggestion was its probably not devices themselves, but the number that could be the issue (you're trying to draw more power than the host - your laptop) can provide power for, causing some devices to fail.. it's a guess only. [04:48] could it be the way usb is handled after an update or smtg? [04:51] not that i'm aware of... it was a thought only (i moved a box here, used a kvm switch to extend my video cable length - it added more resistance to my cables & created a usb issue for me on devices that work perfectly except with extra kvm switch attached due power issue of host box) [04:55] Hi everyone [04:55] Does anybody know how to customize a keyboard layout using xkb? [04:55] I wanted to add a third modifier key... [05:00] Anyone know why this 1 line script keeps asking for a ">" after I run it? if [ ! -f /usr/local/go ]\n then\n curl https://dl.google.com/go/go1.10.1.linux-amd64.tar.gz -o go1.10.1.linux-amd64.tar.gz\n tar -xzf go1.10.1.linux-amd64.tar.gz -c /usr/local\n fi [05:10] Bloozee: share a pastebin of the command + output [05:10] !pastebin | Bloozee [05:10] Bloozee: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [05:12] @sporkwitch https://pastebin.com/HLULjuUr [05:12] Bloozee: don't prepend @'s, it breaks highlights [05:15] SporkWitch: you could suggest !tab [05:15] Bloozee: hard to say. it looks like the > symbol is a result of it thinking it's waiting for more input from you. the real error is file not found, so maybe in specifying the output prepend ./ ? [05:15] !tab [05:15] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [05:16] lotuspsychje: don't know all of this bot's shortcuts, but depending on his client, if he started with @, it would still complete, and still break highlights [05:17] @Two_Dogs test [05:17] SporkWitch: Yeah I see how highlighting broke, I'll watch out for that. And yeah, I am wondering if it's taking the /usr/local\n as a literal because it is in quotes now, a tedious one to debug [05:17] Bloozee: wann du brauchst die antwoort auf deutsch, gesacht das, aber warte; meine Deustsch ist alt und nicht gut :P [05:18] anyone on this server [05:19] Bloozee: i'm also not sure if you need those newlines; those might also be causing trouble. why are they there? bash doesn't use whitespace for syntax other than [thing][whitespace][next thing], i half wonder if those newlines are throwing it off [05:20] (you're putting them as escaped characters, \n, but unless it's quoted, bash will treat it as a literal argument, not a newline) [05:20] SporkWitch: They are there because I am using an external json config for a jenkins pipeline plugin that runs it based on a function call I run [05:21] Bloozee: but based on what you showed me, you're passing things directly to the shell's parser. it's not going to translate like that. It's sounding like we might have an XY Problem [05:22] !xy | Bloozee [05:22] Bloozee: The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned. [05:27] SporkWitch: So the format of that shell script has to be baked into here https://pastebin.com/NwB67mF5 - and it gets passed as /bin/sh [05:29] Bloozee: that doesn't address the concern; i think we're troubleshooting a problem other than the real end goal. Maybe i'm wrong, and i'm sorry to make you justify yourself, but in my 3 decades of experience, if something feels convoluted, there's probably a better solution for the end goal [05:30] Bloozee: i'm about to go to bed, it's 0130 here, but start from the beginning. What is the original thing you're trying to do, not the thing you're trying to do now, but highest level, what are you trying to achieve. If i don't answer, someone else might. Worst case, ask again in a couple hours. [05:31] SporkWitch: In a single line, check if /usr/local/go exists, if not, download the file and extract it into that location [05:31] Bloozee: see also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html as it has really good advice on how to structure good questions that will get interest and answers [05:33] Bloozee: ask #bash , they should be able to give you an answer [05:35] Bloozee: okay, so here's some pseudocode for how i'd structure that: if not [file] exists && curl file [path to destination]. for finding it, i'd use "find". the && will only execute the next part if the previous returns True. as Two_Dogs noted, ##bash is probably the better place to ask. That said, i still suspect we're missing something; why do you need that arbitrary tarball? it's useless [05:35] Bloozee: on its own, so why do you need it? I still smell an XY problem [05:36] Bloozee: ask ##bash or ##linux , they should be able to give you an answer without all the pushback [05:36] SporkWitch: It's the official download method for that toolset. [05:37] Bloozee: i highly doubt that; an official download method wouldn't have conditionals, it'd just tell you "download this" [05:37] Bloozee: if you think you're right, then link the "official" instructions [05:38] SporkWitch: https://golang.org/doc/install [05:38] Bloozee: i do not see any conditionals in these instructions [05:39] SporkWitch: The point of the script is to be automated. That's my conditional requirement for implementation. [05:40] SporkWitch: If it's not there, go install it === Jochen_wvdT is now known as Schlawiner [05:41] Bloozee: so like i said, XY problem. Where? the download location is arbitrary. so that needs to be fixed in your script. If it's fixed, who cares if it was downloaded? Only reason to care is if they change the path to the latest tarball (which is stupid; should always have a fixed path to latest, only use versioned paths for downloading old versions). So here's what I do for this in _my_ === dingir___ is now known as dingir_ [05:42] Bloozee: setup script, in my configs.git repo, to save me trouble setting up new machines: just tell it to download and overwrite. If it's already there, who cares? This stuff is small in modern terms, and if the path always points to the latest, worst case you download it over again, and there's no change. Otherwise, you have it when you didn't, or you have the latest now. [05:43] Bloozee: you're wasting time and effort; just tell it to download, skip the extra steps [05:45] SporkWitch: When you originally asked for more detail, I mentioned that it's run in a jenkins pipeline, where it's not a functional requirement for jenkins to spin up a build slave and download a ~250mb file for nothing. [05:47] Bloozee: perhaps assuming that SporkWitch is not going to give you any feedback you are hoping for is the wiser course? [05:48] Bloozee: in those kind of build pipelines, you are typically instantiating a sandbox, adding what's needed at runtime, and moving to the next. If you're looking to save download tasks, maintain a local mirror of the latest version (or the version you need), and instead of curl, cp [05:49] Two_Dogs: don't get me wrong, i'm an asshole, but i am trying to help him arrive at a GOOD solution. I'm not trying to brush him off [05:50] Bloozee: https://www.techwell.com/techwell-insights/2013/12/why-best-programmers-are-lazy-and-act-dumb not a version i read before tonight, but it supports and explains a philosophy that really does work, and has been an axiom for decades [05:51] SporkWitch: can you make his bash problem work or not? as he has discribed? for what ever hell reason he wants it as he presented. [05:53] Two_Dogs: maybe? but it helps neither of us if there isn't a good reason to do it that way. If there's a better solution, he benefits (and maybe i beneift if i have to research to find it, based on the real requirements). If there _is_ a legitimate reason to do it that way, then _i_ benefit from that part, and he benefits from getting help with the desired solution. [05:54] Two_Dogs: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [05:54] SporkWitch: neither of us? he aint here to help you [05:54] i can tell [05:56] he's not, like anyone that comes on IRC, he's a beggar. we're volunteers. So I will do what I can to help him find GOOD solutions, provided he shows a willingness to help himself as well. But I'm not going to assist with what looks like an overly convoluted red herring. If i'm wrong about it being a red herring, then i benefit, and it justifies the additional effort. Welcome to the joys of [05:56] mutualism [05:56] beggar? [05:56] christ dude, hes a linux user wanting help with bash [05:58] he's someone with what appears to be an XY problem; if i'm right, he benefits from trying to get him to a more direct solution. if he's right, i benefit from learning of a problem i couldn't see before, AND he benefits because now it becomes an interesting problem to solve, instead of jumping through unnecessary hoops to avoid the easy or right solution [05:58] SporkWitch: Cringe. It's not like I haven't gotten these to work before, I didn't realize I needed to provide you full context into a CI/CD pipeline to what may just be a structural issue to my one line bash script. [05:58] the fun is the puzzle of the bash issue he presented, that is why i enjoy this, the puzzle [05:58] Bloozee: don't cringe, the issue is hte child crying right now; not you. [05:58] Bloozee: you asked on ##bash? === hds is now known as Guest62344 [05:59] Two_Dogs: if you just want a puzzle, i can give you all kinds of retardedly convoluted "solutions" that require a dozen tools and a script written in mindfuck (a "real" programming language); but no one benefits. that's just masturbation. [06:00] hi , [06:00] Two_Dogs: Yes, I did. Thank you for the suggestion, didn't realize it had its own channel as well. [06:00] SporkWitch: you need a rest from this, it seems to effect you negatively [06:00] *affect, and the problem is yours: you don't care about helping people, just answering a question quickly for points [06:01] Bloozee: good luck with the bash puzzle [06:04] oh and look, if you search for his actual problem, which isn't in any one message, but requires parsing multiple messages over a 30 minute period, you find this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38534781/check-if-a-file-exists-in-jenkins-pipeline [06:05] so i was right; overly convoluted solution _isn't_ a good way to do it [06:05] wow [06:05] Like I said in my message, it was for a jenkins plugin, not groovy/DSL. [06:07] Bloozee: never said anything about groovy/DSL, and none of the animosity is for you, i have issues with people that have no real interest in helping people. He's just looking for "hey i had an answer!" points. Maybe I could have figured out the solution to your bash script in less time than this has taken, but it didn't seem to be the right way to solve the real problem. Sometimes i'm wrong, [06:07] Bloozee: but in my experience, if the solution doesn't seem "right," it usually means it's introducing extra junk for no good reason, that may well cause more problems later [06:09] question : has anyone here running 16.04 seen a computer always waking up by itself (from the computer being in suspend mode)? Everything power related is OFF in the bios, but mine keeps waking up after awile :\ [06:10] I've googled and ya others seem to be having this issue as well .. some thing it's the mouse being on one of the USB ports ... not too sure what's causing this :| [06:10] Ubu-1604: sure, crappy mouse with wake on usb enabled will do it [06:11] Ubu-1604: if EVERYTHING is diabled in BIOS, you're potentially looking at a short that's triggering the power button (they're not physical switches and haven't been since the AT days, they just send a signal to the mobo when pressed if there's power). If you missed something, it could be a few things. Most importantly, is it actually off, or just in a suspend state? [06:11] trif : wake on usb .. meaning in the bios? .. I put the pc in SUSPEND mode from the ubuntu menu .. it suspends just fine but after say a few hours or so it wakes up [06:12] I'll recheck the bios but ... well I don't think i'll find anything more .. I checked a few times already [06:13] Ubu-1604: wake-on-usb isn't a setting you'd find, what he means is certain higher level suspend states where usb input can trigger the OS to come out of suspend [06:13] does perhaps Ubuntu try and talk to the router or a ... hmmm forget the term ... NOOP (ftp term) to see is a connection is still enabled even if ubuntu is actually in suspend mode? [06:14] Ubu-1604: perhaps use hibernate instead of suspend? then you have to hit power button to wake it up [06:14] Ubu-1604: only network-related wake-up condition i know of is Wake-On-LAN which requires sending a specially crafted packet, which most routers dont' have an option to send, meaning you need a computer running a piece of software built to send it (usually linux) [06:14] SporkWitch: oh ok .... so recheck the bios again .. maybe i'll eneable it and see if there are more settings i can try and disable .. i'm not using the NIC on the mobo .. seperate PCI nic card [06:15] PCI NICs have a separate port for WOL connector, the signal doesn't go through the card edge last time I checked [06:15] Triffid_Hunter: ya ok i can try hibernate .. in my days that hybernate ment allot more than pushing the power button .. which is what was wanting to do anyway :) [06:15] Ubu-1604: not even sure how that would play in, adds new layers of complexity (and WOL is flaky at the best of times). i'd suspect it's not really off and you're in some high-level suspend state that doesn't take much to wake it up [06:16] Ubu-1604: read Triffid_Hunter's last; he seems to know more about how non-integrated NICs handle WOL [06:16] Triffid_Hunter: I don't see hybernate on the ubuntu menu [06:16] I really do like this OS btw .. i'm very new to it but damn it runs FAST on older cpus :))) [06:17] Ubu-1604: hibernate takes a bit of setting up because it involves dumping the entire contents of your RAM to your swap partition, then digging it back out after the bios fires up your kernel [06:18] Ubu-1604: if you think ubuntu is fast, wait until you see some that aren't so terribly resource-inefficient lol (relatively speaking; even the most bloated linux distro may as well be a maserati compared to windows lol) [06:19] Triffid_Hunter: hibernate has been a nightmare to get to even show up in *buntus since around 14.04; hibernate isn't something he's dealing with for his problem. Really i think he's just not shutting down. [06:19] Triffid_Hunter: ya that sounds a bit much .. i'll just check more on any WOL or usb things going on .. it's going to be difficult to know if i fixed it or not right now .. I was just wondering if others have had this issue .. the mouse light does stay ON when suspend happens, mind ya other windows boxes here do that as well [06:20] I just keep comming home from work and my darn computer is on, or in the morning as well after I sleep .. it's freeking me out :P~~~ [06:21] Ubu-1604: are you actually shutting it down before you leave, though? or do you just close the laptop lid / turn off the monitor and walk away? If it's plugged in, it's probably just not turning off, just shutting the screen off, and so something might turn it back on. [06:23] Ubu-1604: if you tell it to "sleep" or "suspend to ram" then _usually_ it'll take a keystroke, sometimes mouse movement is enough, to wake it up. if you shut it down, then it won't turn on again until you hit the power button (unless wake on lan is enabled, but again, WOL does NOT get triggered accidentally, it doesn't even always work when set up perfectly and you're trying to INTENTIONALLY [06:23] SporkWitch: it's a desktop unit .. i just select SUSPEND from the top right menu and it suspends right away and the power light blinks (as it should) .. after ('im guessing) a few hours it wakes up [06:23] trigger it) [06:23] Ubu-1604: bingo. suspend is suspend to RAM, and depending on BIOS/UEFI and kernel settings, can be a very light suspend. got any pets? they bump the desk, the mouse might wake it up [06:25] look through the power settings to see if it's possibly doing even less, like just shutting the screen off [06:25] SporkWitch: hmmm no nothing moves here .. ya perhaps it's a light suspend or something, but no nothing gets bumped at all / no key presses, so your saying I can try SLEEP instead (how todo that?) [06:26] SporkWitch: yes the monitor, which is actually either this 40 inch or my 80 inch hdmi tv gets powered off [06:27] Ubu-1604: so suspend works, but maybe your mouse reports a phantom movement after a while that wakes everything up. see what happens if you unplug it while the thing is sleeping [06:28] and if that wakes it up, unplug it before you tell it to sleep and use the keyboard shortcut or something [06:28] not that this matters .. waking up I can handle .. got a different question, more 'serious' ... how can I force ubuntu to try other video resolutions? ... windoze can, but all I get under the settings is unknown monitor and forced to use 1024X768 :\ [06:29] trif : ya i'll try a few things and i'm sure something can be found to make it sleep/suspend better :) .. what about changing the res. ? [06:29] Ubu-1604: for VGA? have a play with xrandr, and ask google how to generate your own modelines.. for anything else, the screen should report what it can do unless your graphics drivers are broken [06:30] Triffid_Hunter: awsome .. i'll check out this xrandr now .. and yes i use a VGA ... which i love ;) [06:31] Ubu-1604: even VGA has a method for the screen to tell the graphics card what it supports.. don't remember what it's called but I haven't had to fiddle with modelines since the early 2000s [06:34] Triffid_Hunter: ya this looks kinda comples trying to use this xrandr command line tool .. somday someone might make an app from that 'ubuntu software' icon (which i like, has allot of software [06:36] sigh .. i'm too new to this linux/unix world :))) ... this IRc client Quassel is pretty awsome .. it shows pop-ups over my other software if soeone says something to me :D [06:36] Ubu-1604: well the gui stuff basically just talks to xrandr for you, but the gui programs always *always* have less capabilities than the terminal tools :P [06:37] Ubu-1604: xrandr is *the* tool, it provides complete info plus control for all the powerful commands for controlling monitors, which all GUI tools have failed at [06:37] Triffid_Hunter: well this resolution I can handle .. so if I get a different video card that might work better? .. I was just thinking it cannot detect the monitor (since it says 'unknown monitor') thus the less res. optons available [06:38] Ubu-1604: or your monitor isn't talking to it, or your cable is damaged, or your graphics drivers aren't working right.. [06:38] Ubu-1604: can you show us "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" [06:38] my vga screens definitely told my graphics card what resolutions they supported, and xrandr would list them all out and usually pick the best one [06:38] or the vga switch box running 6 other computers and 1 of the 2 outputs goes to a hdmi converter box [06:39] a few hops before it reaches the tv ;) [06:39] Ubu-1604: ugh that's probably why [06:39] wellllllll FIX it ;P [06:39] Ubu-1604: if you've got VGA switchers many do not pass through the monitor EDID, but provide their own (fixed) values [06:39] oh yeah edid, that's the keyword I was looking for [06:40] kidding ... this ubuntu really is darn good ... somsone put it on this computer and i've been playing with it ever since ... i have it constantly updated .. i check everyday. [06:40] btw should i always do a full reboot after each/every upgrade/update .. i usually do. [06:41] after doing a fresh install of 18.04 from the netinstall iso Gnome has an issue when a user logs out and tries to log back in, the system hangs [06:41] Ubu-1604: only need a reboot for kernel upgrades and some critical system libraries. Log-out/log-in is sufficient for most other upgrades. The system will tell you if a reboot is required, too. [06:41] Ubu-1604: no need to reboot unless you have a new kernel [06:43] TJ-: ahhh ok, good to know, ya it would be nice if ubuntu would prompt if a reboot is required, but all is working great ... I did install that BleachBit 2.X and boy it took out allot ... almost 900Meg and this is a new ubuntu install. [06:43] ohjeachan: does ctrl-alt-backspace(2x) return you to login ? [06:45] Two_Dogs: I didn't know that, I'll give it a test when I'm trying again but hopefully the issue is fixed soon. [06:45] Ubu-1604: Storage is cheap; removing packages that were installed by default is generally not necessary or desirable [06:45] brb [06:46] ohjeachan: if this has happened in the last day check systemlog, do> journalctl --since=yesterday --pri=3 ## look for anything interesting [06:49] Ubu-1604: i use kubuntu, not ubuntu, so not sure where it is, but there's a driver wizard app on kubuntu by default. 99% of the time, the only things that come up are proprietary GPU drivers, but if you have nvidia, YOU WANT THEM. 1024x768 is a VGA limitation, which means current drivers don't know what to do with your GPU, so they're falling back to some REAL old school standards [06:49] okay the log out/log in issue is fixed no need for Ctrl+Alt+Backspacex2 [06:50] SporkWitch: yes that makes total sence ... vga is a good enuf standard .. I'm planning on installing ubuntu on some better computers here with 'real' video cards that do hdmi output. [06:51] ok this should be a simple question .. I am seeing a number od INSTALLED programs when i look at that 'ubuntu software' icon (for lack of a better word). How do i find ALL the programs installed on the computer .. currently I am just going to each 'installed' one, run LAUNCH, then lock it to the task bar. [06:51] only issue now is that despite setting screen time-out to off it still blanks when I choose to lock [06:53] Ubu-1604: off the top of my head, i don't recall, but if you type "man apt" you should find how. Most things can be done (and almost always done better) in a CLI, and manpages are awesome. It's short for "manual page," as in "instruction manual." Type "man" (for manual") then the name of the command, and it'll provide info. At first it looks arcane, but they tend to follow a fairly standard [06:54] Ubu-1604: format, and they're insanely helpful (even in university courses, they'll usually not stop you using the manpages, because they're literally THE first thing you should check for any linux question) [06:54] Ubu-1604: "apt list --installed" [06:54] Ubu-1604: that lists *all* packages though, including system libraries, not just the programs you'll recognise [06:55] ya i've used MAN before ... I was just hoping to group these icons together in a folder .. kinda like windoze does ... i have not tried the 17.X or 18.X of Ubuntu, perhaps the GUI has folders and such to group software into [06:55] Ubu-1604: when he says system libraries, that falls into the category of "dependencies," meaning stuff that gets installed because another program needs it to run [06:55] Ubu-1604: for a list excluding libraries use "apt list --installed | grep -v lib" [06:55] TJ-: there should be a flag to only show those _manually_ installed, excluding the auto-installed ones for deps [06:56] TJ-: well it's ok now .. I just goto each INSTALLED one , launch it, then LOCK to that launcher side bar .. but it's getting sa bit crowded with allot of icons ;) [06:56] SporkWitch: that's almost what "debfoster --show-keeprs" does [06:57] Ubu-1604: you might have missed some earlier discussion, but that falls into what i was talkign about earlier with regard to "if it feels like too many steps, there's probably a better way" [06:57] SporkWitch: heheheh ya i hear ya .. is there a way to widen the width of that LAUNCHER side bar so i can see 2 rows of icons? [06:58] Ubu-1604: again, i don't use ubuntu, but kubuntu. it's a direct descendent, but instead of unity or gnome, it uses the far superior KDE DE :) [06:58] again this is pretty minor stuff i'm talking about :) [06:58] 'apt-mark showmanual' will list manually installed packages [06:58] Ubu-1604: what you described means nothing to me, it sounds like unity, which is so bad taht the latest version of ubuntu got rid of it to go back to gnome lol [06:59] anyone know how to add blank website shortcuts to to the templates folder like with the touch command? [06:59] ducasse: thank you! Ubu-1604 see ducasse's last comment, taht's what you want to find the "real" stuff that YOU installed. it might not include the bundled stuff, but it'll ignore the "extra" stuff that only got installed because the thing YOU said to install needed it to work [07:00] help plz! :( it said no more space on /boot partition, so I deleted what I thought were old backup files, ... well they wrent, now I cannot login anymore it says files missing .... heeeelppp [07:00] SporkWitch: ok will do .. thanks~!! [07:00] Well there's your mistake right there, you deleted something without knowing what you were removing [07:00] is there some command to enter into a terminal instead of the login window of ubuntu and then run some boot partition restoration [07:01] WillyWanka: https://superuser.com/questions/1092764/how-can-i-fix-my-computer-when-i-deleted-the-boot-drive [07:01] live cd ok what i though [07:01] thx [07:02] the ubuntu installation images have a repair option [07:02] WillyWanka: if the systems is failing to log-in to the GUI and all you did is remove files from /boot/ then that is not the cause of the failed login [07:02] but what do if boot keeps running out of diskpace, I cannot isntall anything with apt-get aymore [07:02] WillyWanka: TJ- is probably right, i'm drunk and responded reflexively to to you saying you nuked stuff on the boot partition [07:03] WillyWanka: have you cleaned out the older /boot/initrd.img.$VERSION files manually first to give the system some space to work, and then done "sudo apt autoremove" ? [07:03] (at least depending on WHAT you nuked; SOME stuff is required in /boot, because BIOS and the MBR don't have enough room for what's needed to start booting a modern OS) [07:06] seems I can upgrade a new ubuntu base what has a changed boot animation .. guess i'll reboot soon .. i'll recheck the bios again for that WAKE issue :) [07:06] WillyWanka: the usual cause is not removing older kernel versions so the system-built initrd.img-* files (which typically can be 50MB each) quickly use up the reserved space. [07:07] WillyWanka: if you install the package unattended-upgrades there's a config variable you can change to have it automatically clean up the kernels === merskiasa is now known as perdent [07:08] TJ-: can you reference a good article describing the rules that follows? Was about to comment about how i was surprised there weren't rules to clean out old ones. I'm just used to testing and then deleting old manually. === perdent is now known as merskiasa [07:09] TJ-: all well and good for the vets, but not newbie friendly, and i'm loath to say "do this"; i'd rather make them learn WHAT it does, as it keeps them from hurting themselves and helps them become self-suffificent [07:09] WillyWanka: you'd edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades and find/change to the following line: "Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Kernel-Packages "true"; " [07:11] TJ-: the process you suggest would leave how many kernel installed by default? [07:12] Two_Dogs: there's a separate job/conf in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d./01autoremove-kernels that creates a list of (usually) the last 3 kernels to keep [07:12] TJ-: ok [07:13] I've argued that the entire thing needs revamping so on boot the systemt tracks kernels that are being 1) booted 2) boot successfully, to aid in deciding which (older) kernels need to be retained (e.g. for testers, fallbacks to support older hardware with obselete/removed drivers, etc.) [07:15] brb... [07:19] my other setup as kernel-purge as a service, keeps two [07:20] Previous ubuntu release kernels are kept too. I've seen systems that have done do-release-upgrades from 8.04 with some very old kernels still hanging about [07:24] Is there a way to interrupt a multi command bash line at the end of the current command? === shannara_ is now known as shann [07:26] tobylane: you could try suspending it to background then kill the job [07:27] !info mysql-server [07:27] mysql-server (source: mysql-5.7): MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.7.22-0ubuntu18.04.1 (bionic), package size 9 kB, installed size 107 kB [07:27] guys, how can i launch the xubuntu 18.04 installer for BIOS_ [07:28] everytime i boot the usb drive, t does launch the EFI installer, which already gives me the error reported about /temp/ stuff that have been already reported === ^kiokoman^ is now known as kiokoman [07:29] thanks tj [07:31] borkedd: that's controlled by the PC's own firmware manual boot manager [07:31] TJ-: yeah, but i can perfectly boot any other }buntu in the past in legacy [07:32] now if i try booting in legacy, it trows me a msg about -this disk is not bootable, please insert a bootable disk- [07:32] borkedd: well the ISOs are hybrid so they will do whatever the PC firmware chooses [07:32] borkedd: did you do an image checksum test to ensure it's not corrupted [07:33] TJ-: yes, just did that, and it is pristine [07:33] hi there [07:33] TJ-: can i force in any way the intaller to install in BIOS mode although im on eufi booted live session_ [07:33] borkedd: is it on a USB device, or a real DVD? [07:33] live USB [07:33] i have a webpage where there are some links like file://...some localfile. i need to click on these links and open the file in gedit or any text editor of my choice [07:33] how can i do that ? [07:34] i read that burning it on a DVD does do the trick, but its 3.30 am here, i cannot just go and buy a blank dvd [07:35] silv3r_m00n: is your intention to be able to edit the file" [07:36] Hi friends. I was gonna give up on Linux after I couldn't install Ubuntu on a brand new laptop, but I caved in and got another one instead. [07:36] wabznasm: yes [07:36] it is a local file [07:36] But uh, it won't install on that one either. Always due to arbitrary issues and errors. Like, either due to glitches like freezes and black screens, or due to crashes with errors. [07:37] get windows quack because linux is cancer [07:37] Can anyone help guide me through an install and coach me through any errors that occur? [07:37] unless you have a very specific application for it in my opniion, im not usually on this channel though [07:37] This is just for a side computer [07:37] to get better att Linux. [07:38] but I want to start learning from a functional installation [07:38] I didn't really anticipate not being able to install Ubuntu on two brand new computers in a row. [07:38] ok i think installing ubuntu is no different from installing windows, just click ok ok ok and done [07:39] borkedd: I'd suspect the image *on the USB device* is corrupt if the PC firmware is reporting it isn't BIOS-bootable === borkedd is now known as Kremator [07:40] quackgyver: did you confirm the install media isn't corrupt? Or do the failures happen after Ubuntu is installed? [07:41] back :) [07:42] WillyWanka: That's what you'd expect, yes. [07:43] TJ-: I tried googling on how to verify the installation but couldn't understand what I found, so to rule out a faulty flash I bought a new USB stick and then tried flashing both of them on two different OS', on three different computers using three different flashing programs. [07:43] Always on a fresh download. [07:43] And flashing both as ISO and DD. [07:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1767889 [07:43] Launchpad bug 1767889 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "18.04 installer does not allow to choose legacy install when launched from UEFI live session" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:43] Or rather, different combinations of all of the above inbetween installations. [07:44] I also tried downloading the ISO on three different networks. [07:44] So I think that a bad source can be ruled out with some amount of confidence. [07:44] quackgyver: so is it failing during installation, or after the system has booted the installed OS? [07:48] TJ-: Here's what happened in order: 1. I updated Windows fully, and updated the BIOS to the most recent version. 2. I flashed the Ubuntu ISO on an USB stick. 3. I installed Ubuntu with encryption and LVM, but it froze when it was about 70% done. [07:48] 4. I tried installing again, this time without encryption or LVM, but it went black screen at about 30%. 5. I tried turning off UEFI and fastboot, but it once again went blackscreen. 6. I tried installing from the Live CD, but got some kind of error that I couldn't understand and now can't remember. [07:48] 7. I tried wiping the HDD with gparted and installing again from the boot USB, but it once again froze. 8. I tried running the installer with nomodeset, but this changed the installation wizard so that it forced me to manually select the partitions (i.e. as if I had chosen "something else" instead of "normal" installation) and I didn't know what to do from there. [07:48] But add 4 attempts to install with various little changes on each step. [07:49] Like encryption on, encryption off. LVM on, LVM off etc. [07:49]