[00:05] <SporkWitch> alan1: check your host's DNS settings and make sure that the router's IP is the first entry
[00:07] <alan1> SporkWitch: /etc/hosts has only 127.0.0.1 localhost & 127.0.1.1 P100. I'd rather not hard-code my router's IP if it can be avoided. Is there a way to make it search? My router's hostname has the same problem.
[00:08] <SporkWitch> alan1: that's not where that's configured; /etc/hosts is not DNS, it is static mappings, checked before any other resolution is done
[00:08] <SporkWitch> !dns | alan1
[00:09] <alan1> SporkWitch: Thanks, I'll read that.
[00:09] <gambl0re> is 40c normal temp for laptop?
[00:09] <SporkWitch> ignore that; i was hoping the bot would have client-focused guidance in this channel, since there's a separate server channel lol
[00:09] <kevr> 40c is great
[00:09] <SporkWitch> gambl0re: that's actually really cool
[00:09] <gambl0re> so what is considered hot?
[00:09] <gambl0re> or overheating
[00:09] <SporkWitch> gambl0re: normal under-load for most CPUs and GPUs is 55-70; over 70 start looking into cooling solutions
[00:10] <gambl0re> over 70F?
[00:10] <DirtyCajun> Anyone use tgtadm with vmware esxi hosts? I cant get vmware to recognize any kind of backing-store but a .img flat file made by dd. Direct disks (/dev/sdxxx) and luns (/dev/mapper/vg-1/lv-1) show the controller but no formattable space
[00:10] <kevr> 40c is over 70f isnt it?
[00:10] <SporkWitch> typically, but it depends on your chips; google the model and standard operating temps for references
[00:11] <SporkWitch> kevr: who said anything about freedom units? we're talking real units here
[00:11] <kevr> AMD chips are usually fine ~60, intel is usually fine ~72
[00:11] <kevr> celcius
[00:11] <kevr> celsius*
[00:11] <kevr> SporkWitch: he mentioned 70F
[00:11] <oerheks> gambl0re, specs of the vendor can tell, sometimes 105'C  is normal
[00:11] <SporkWitch> d'oh, missed that
[00:11] <SporkWitch> bad, gambl0re, don't change units mid-discussion :P
[00:11] <pavlos> kevr 40C = 104F
[00:11] <kevr> caught me offguard
[00:11] <kevr> yeah, thought so
[00:11] <kevr> he probably meant C
[00:12] <SporkWitch> presumably
[00:12] <kevr> 70C sounds like a more normal limit
[00:12] <SporkWitch> 70C is USUALLY the "keep an eye on it" mark, in my experience.  Depending on the chip it's not necessarily a bad thing, but if it goes much over you might want to look into more cooling
[00:16] <gambl0re> k thanks
[00:22] <FaTaL_G> matjam: did you see my PM?
[00:24] <FaTaL_G> is there a dhcp.conf checker tool, lol... cause I dont see a damn thing wrong, but I did move the location of a few things because it was internittent
[00:29] <FaTaL_G> google ftw (maybe)  sudo dhcpd -cf /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[00:32] <FaTaL_G> so I think I see a problem in dhcp.conf that ...... should not be happening
[00:34] <FaTaL_G> eg,....... No subnet declaration for enp4s0f2 (no IPv4 addresses).
[00:34] <FaTaL_G> ** Ignoring requests on enp4s0f2.
[00:34] <pavlos> can you pastebin?
[00:34] <FaTaL_G> but all of my nics are on "br0" and that is defined, works, and has no issues
[00:35] <FaTaL_G> I can, but it has mac addresses and machine names in it.
[00:35] <pavlos> ok
[00:35] <FaTaL_G> so prefer not (even though that info is not strictly private)
[00:36] <pavlos> that's ok no worries
[00:37] <FaTaL_G> netsplit
[01:06] <FaTaL_G> split banaaaaaana over?
[01:08] <FaTaL_G> anyone have any suggestions on dhcp.conf complaining about no subnet being assigned to a nic, when the nic is in a group.... and the group is assigned? I think its not wise to a bridge
[01:14] <FaTaL_G> I'd really like to remove the silly "no subnet defined" errors from my dhcpd conf since they are served on the br0
[01:45] <aloo_shu> anybody very familiar with puppy linux here? you will see that it's a ubuntu question
[01:48] <FaTaL_G> this is still driving me nuts.... isc-dhcp-server does not start on boot, but I can manually start it fine
[01:49] <FaTaL_G> I ran the -t -cf on it, and there aren't any errors in it. But it errors on start
[01:50] <FaTaL_G> the only messsage I get is the no subnet defined message and looking at various posts, this by design (since they are on a br0)
[02:13] <firecat> what new happens in the land of the freedom ? :D
[02:17] <littlepyro> what is suid?
[02:17] <littlepyro> does it allow us to be root for sometime?
[02:19] <Guest38601> suid allows you run a program as a different user
[02:19] <Guest38601> oh i'm broken
[02:29] <hodapp> is there some magical way of getting Qt 5.6 onto 16.04 LTS on ARM (aarch64) that doesn't involve me having to build it from source?
[02:31] <hodapp> or any Qt >= 5.6 for that matter
[02:33] <littlepyro> i have the problem with suid. i did u+s file.py.. the owner of the file.py has -rwsrw-r-- and now if i do su - testuser and execute the command, it says permission denied
[02:33] <littlepyro> what am i doing wrong
[02:37] <hodapp> ugh, I don't know if I even *can* build it on this board
[02:38] <littlepyro> anyone?
[02:39] <Bashing-om> littlepyro: The setgid bit allows files created under the directory to inherit the group of the directory, instead of that of the creating process; It is separate from the execute bit and S : indicates that the file/folder does not have executable permissions for that user on that particular file/folder ,
[02:40] <Bashing-om> littlepyro: see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9133024/www-data-permissions .
[02:41] <littlepyro> Bashing-om: so from my understanding, i thought suid will allow any user to execute a program by carrying the permission of the owner
[02:41] <littlepyro> Bashing-om: suid also needs files to be executable?
[02:41] <littlepyro> my question was not about sgid yet
[02:42] <Bashing-om> the suid sets ownership at the group level . Only those users in the group can mess with the file .
[02:43] <Bashing-om> kimmyk: "file.py has -rwsrw-r-- a" says you are referring to setgid .
[02:46] <littlepyro> Bashing-om: let me clearly explain my problem
[02:46] <littlepyro> -rwsrw-r-x.  1 vagrant vagrant        30 May 30 02:24 test.py                           - file1
[02:47] <littlepyro> now when i su - testr and execute the program test.py
[02:47] <littlepyro> i get the permission denied error
[02:49] <donofrio> anyone have thought as to how to heal this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kPhRT6CJ8s/ ?
[02:53] <syb0rg> donofrio, why.
[02:54] <donofrio> cause I would liketo not have package errors ;)
[02:54] <syb0rg> ;(
[03:00] <Bashing-om> littlepyro: when you execute 'groups' is vagrant listed ? : Users in the vagrant group can access the  program test.py file .
[03:06] <IcemanV9> donofrio: looks like you may have corrupt deb package? or uninstall ebtables; then re-install?
[03:07] <donofrio> IcemanV9, I'll try that....
[03:08] <alan1> I am having dns hostname resolution problems. I can resolve internet hostnames but not names on my local network. ping my.ip.add.ress works. dig myHost @my.router.ip.address yields the correct IP in the answer section. I want to avoid hardcoding any addresses if possible. I've read !dns. Didn't help. Any suggestions?
[03:09] <littlepyro> Bashing-om: yes it is
[03:09] <littlepyro> Bashing-om: should the file permissions carry +x also?
[03:11] <kreyren> Hey, could you help me set custom DPI on linux with XFCE4 DE ? i have 1080p 60' monitor and ideally i would like to have the ability to rescale each window nor make them all smaller to fix this screen.. Right now its like one app on fullscreen
[03:11] <kreyren> Thanks for help!
[03:13] <Bashing-om> littlepyro: In your use case you oenly want the owner to be able to exiecute the code . so no, -rws for "owner"  sets executable for thise in the group. '  grep 'sysop' /etc/group
[03:14] <Bashing-om> littlepyro: bad paste for grep . be as to follow.
[03:15] <littlepyro> Bashing-om: i have two users usera  and userb.. usera has filea.py which has -rwsrw-r--
[03:15] <littlepyro> Bashing-om: now when i do su - userb; and try executing /home/usera/filea.py; since suid is set the file has to execute right?
[03:15] <littlepyro> am i correct here?
[03:15] <Bashing-om> littlepyro: ' grep 'vagrant' /etc/group ' should show what vagrant hgas access to .
[03:17] <Bashing-om> longword: NO... only those in the group vagrant can execute any files grouped to vagrant .
[03:20] <Bashing-om> littlepyro: sorry longword - littlepyro see above: also maybe https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups will help shed some light,
[03:22] <WEIRDGAMER> hi
[03:22] <WEIRDGAMER> anyone on
[03:28] <Bashing-om> littlepyro: Greg has an outstanding titorial of permissions and the setuid and setgid bits : http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions .
[03:28] <Bashing-om> tutorial*
[03:29] <littlepyro> sure Bashing-om , let me see
[03:33] <IRAN_33_CE> algum brasileiro ai?
[03:34] <IRAN_33_CE> hi
[03:34] <IRAN_33_CE> hellow
[03:35] <Bashing-om> IRAN_33_CE: Hello, English - ubuntu support here ,
[03:35] <IRAN_33_CE> Bashing-om: hi
[03:36] <Bashing-om> IRAN_33_CE: You have a support issue for ubuntu ?
[03:36] <alan1> I am having dns hostname resolution problems. I can resolve internet hostnames but not names on my local network. ping my.ip.add.ress works. dig myHost @my.router.ip.address yields the correct IP in the answer section. I want to avoid hardcoding any addresses if possible. I've read !dns. Didn't help. Any suggestions?
[03:42] <illn00blli> I'm not sure the proper channel to ask. I'm looking for suggestions for a multiprotocol chat client that can access Facebook messenger as well as others. If not that, just a FB messenger client in general. I'm tired of having to have the website open to communicate with friends and family. I'd prefer not to have to get anything directly from facebook. Any help offered is much appreciated
[03:42] <illn00blli> Running 18.04
[03:49] <tcpdump> Whats the best ftp server for Linux?
[03:50] <Two_Dogs> tcpdump: sftp via ssh i would think
[03:50] <tcpdump> Two_Dogs: regrettably it needs to be ftp
[03:50] <tcpdump> :/
[03:52] <Two_Dogs> tcpdump: ftpd from repo
[03:55] <Two_Dogs> https://git.io/vhsIv
[03:55] <Two_Dogs> fyi on ftpd tcpdump ^^
[04:02] <swift110> hey all
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> swift110: morning
[04:11] <tcpdump> morning
[04:11] <tcpdump> evening
[04:11] <tcpdump> night
[04:12] <kubanc> hello. can I set firefox in Ubuntu to we by default windows always on top?
[04:17] <swift110> how are you lotuspsychje
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | swift110
[04:18] <fearless_man> I've created a folder(symbolic link to /dev/sda8) in /dev/sda9. but everytime I create a new folder and files inside that folder, /dev/sda9 gets filled, I expected that /dev/sda8 should only be filled because it's just a symbolic link. It works as expected if I test using fallacate.
[04:18] <fearless_man> do I need to convert those files and folders to a symbolic link before they work?
[04:20] <jluc> fearless_man, what do you mean with "filled" ?
[04:20] <fearless_man> I've monitored it using df
[04:20] <fearless_man> the partition
[04:21] <jluc> how do you create these subfolders and files ?
[04:22] <genii> Instead of doing some symlink directly to sd<anything> you should do instead a bindmount to an actual folder
[04:22] <fearless_man> jluc: I don't know exactly how, it's a java program that creates log files
[04:22] <fearless_man> genii: bindmount how does that work?
[04:23] <genii> fearless_man: Usually for mounting folders to other folders
[04:24] <jluc> could you maybe create a hard link ?
[04:24] <jluc> what is "fallacate" ?
[04:25] <fearless_man> jluc: well, I think that's what it does, that java program might be creating a hard link by default
[04:25] <jluc> oh fallocate http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/fallocate.2.html
[04:25] <fearless_man> jluc: it's a way to allocate a dummy file
[04:25] <fearless_man> genii: so anything that is created in that file is created in a different partition?
[04:26] <jluc> you could create your symbolic link  as a hard link rather than a soft link
[04:26] <jluc> to sda8
[04:26] <jluc> when the java write cant manage soft links
[04:26] <genii> If you just make links to raw devices, how can the system know what filesystem to use?
[04:26] <fearless_man> jluc: I think I'll go with the bindmount
[04:26] <fearless_man> genii: they are the same filesystem
[04:27] <fearless_man> I'll try bindmounts
[04:27]  * genii wanders back to studying schematics
[04:30] <castor00001110> hey guys, is there an IRC channel for linux noobs?
[04:32] <Bashing-om> castor00001110: This channel also works for noobs - we were ALL noobs at one time .
[04:33] <castor00001110> sweet, can someone explain the difference between an environment variable and a shell variable?
[04:33] <eraserpencil> Hey guys, I notice my keyboard and touchpad dying after plugging multiple USB devices at once. It's something I have not experienced before, I have not done any changes to my system. I am running Ubuntu 16.04 on a Macbook Pro mid-2014
[04:33] <castor00001110> if I were to export a shell variable, would it be available in a new terminal session?
[04:34] <fearless_man> genii: well, I've tried bindmount, but it seems those two partitions gets filled up
[04:34] <fearless_man> still
[04:35] <guiverc> eraserpencil, i don't know, but I'd suggest it was the devices are using more voltage than the host USB can provide...
[04:35] <eraserpencil> I have actually ran the same setup for a few months now. Have not given me any errors previously
[04:37] <guiverc> eraserpencil, if stressed, the power that can be produced can reduce with age  (you get a longer life when you don't stress power supplies etc). note: it could be amperage & not voltage that is the issue
[04:47] <eraserpencil> guiverc: So I should... slowly load the USB devices?
[04:48] <guiverc> eraserpencil, note: i don't know, but my suggestion was its probably not devices themselves, but the number that could be the issue (you're trying to draw more power than the host - your laptop) can provide power for, causing some devices to fail.. it's a guess only.
[04:48] <eraserpencil> could it be the way usb is handled after an update or smtg?
[04:51] <guiverc> not that i'm aware of...   it was a thought only   (i moved a box here, used a kvm switch to extend my video cable length - it added more resistance to my cables & created a usb issue for me on devices that work perfectly except with extra kvm switch attached due power issue of host box)
[04:55] <sanjibukai> Hi everyone
[04:55] <sanjibukai> Does anybody know how to customize a keyboard layout using xkb?
[04:55] <sanjibukai> I wanted to add a third modifier key...
[05:00] <Bloozee> Anyone know why this 1 line script keeps asking for a ">" after I run it? if [ ! -f /usr/local/go ]\n then\n curl https://dl.google.com/go/go1.10.1.linux-amd64.tar.gz -o go1.10.1.linux-amd64.tar.gz\n tar -xzf go1.10.1.linux-amd64.tar.gz -c /usr/local\n fi
[05:10] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: share a pastebin of the command + output
[05:10] <SporkWitch> !pastebin | Bloozee
[05:12] <Bloozee> @sporkwitch https://pastebin.com/HLULjuUr
[05:12] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: don't prepend @'s, it breaks highlights
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> SporkWitch: you could suggest !tab
[05:15] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: hard to say. it looks like the > symbol is a result of it thinking it's waiting for more input from you.  the real error is file not found, so maybe in specifying the output prepend ./ ?
[05:15] <SporkWitch> !tab
[05:16] <SporkWitch> lotuspsychje: don't know all of this bot's shortcuts, but depending on his client, if he started with @, it would still complete, and still break highlights
[05:17] <Two_Dogs> @Two_Dogs  test
[05:17] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: Yeah I see how highlighting broke, I'll watch out for that. And yeah, I am wondering if it's taking the /usr/local\n as a literal because it is in quotes now, a tedious one to debug
[05:17] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: wann du brauchst die antwoort auf deutsch, gesacht das, aber warte; meine Deustsch ist alt und nicht gut :P
[05:18] <WEIRDGAMER> anyone on this server
[05:19] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: i'm also not sure if you need those newlines; those might also be causing trouble.  why are they there?  bash doesn't use whitespace for syntax other than [thing][whitespace][next thing], i half wonder if those newlines are throwing it off
[05:20] <SporkWitch> (you're putting them as escaped characters, \n, but unless it's quoted, bash will treat it as a literal argument, not a newline)
[05:20] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: They are there because I am using an external json config for a jenkins pipeline plugin that runs it based on a function call I run
[05:21] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: but based on what you showed me, you're passing things directly to the shell's parser.  it's not going to translate like that.  It's sounding like we might have an XY Problem
[05:22] <SporkWitch> !xy | Bloozee
[05:27] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: So the format of that shell script has to be baked into here https://pastebin.com/NwB67mF5 - and it gets passed as /bin/sh
[05:29] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: that doesn't address the concern; i think we're troubleshooting a problem other than the real end goal.  Maybe i'm wrong, and i'm sorry to make you justify yourself, but in my 3 decades of experience, if something feels convoluted, there's probably a better solution for the end goal
[05:30] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: i'm about to go to bed, it's 0130 here, but start from the beginning.  What is the original thing you're trying to do, not the thing you're trying to do now, but highest level, what are you trying to achieve.  If i don't answer, someone else might.  Worst case, ask again in a couple hours.
[05:31] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: In a single line, check if /usr/local/go exists, if not, download the file and extract it into that location
[05:31] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: see also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html as it has really good advice on how to structure good questions that will get interest and answers
[05:33] <Two_Dogs> Bloozee: ask #bash , they should be able to give you an answer
[05:35] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: okay, so here's some pseudocode for how i'd structure that: if not [file] exists && curl file [path to destination].  for finding it, i'd use "find".  the && will only execute the next part if the previous returns True.  as Two_Dogs noted, ##bash is probably the better place to ask.  That said, i still suspect we're missing something; why do you need that arbitrary tarball? it's useless
[05:35] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: on its own, so why do you need it? I still smell an XY problem
[05:36] <Two_Dogs> Bloozee: ask ##bash or ##linux , they should be able to give you an answer without all the pushback
[05:36] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: It's the official download method for that toolset.
[05:37] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: i highly doubt that; an official download method wouldn't have conditionals, it'd just tell you "download this"
[05:37] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: if you think you're right, then link the "official" instructions
[05:38] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: https://golang.org/doc/install
[05:38] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: i do not see any conditionals in these instructions
[05:39] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: The point of the script is to be automated. That's my conditional requirement for implementation.
[05:40] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: If it's not there, go install it
[05:41] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: so like i said, XY problem.  Where? the download location is arbitrary.  so that needs to be fixed in your script.  If it's fixed, who cares if it was downloaded?  Only reason to care is if they change the path to the latest tarball (which is stupid; should always have a fixed path to latest, only use versioned paths for downloading old versions).  So here's what I do for this in _my_
[05:42] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: setup script, in my configs.git repo, to save me trouble setting up new machines: just tell it to download and overwrite.  If it's already there, who cares?  This stuff is small in modern terms, and if the path always points to the latest, worst case you download it over again, and there's no change.  Otherwise, you have it when you didn't, or you have the latest now.
[05:43] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: you're wasting time and effort; just tell it to download, skip the extra steps
[05:45] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: When you originally asked for more detail, I mentioned that it's run in a jenkins pipeline, where it's not a functional requirement for jenkins to spin up a build slave and download a ~250mb file for nothing.
[05:47] <Two_Dogs> Bloozee: perhaps assuming that SporkWitch is not going to give you any feedback you are hoping for is the wiser course?
[05:48] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: in those kind of build pipelines, you are typically instantiating a sandbox, adding what's needed at runtime, and moving to the next.  If you're looking to save download tasks, maintain a local mirror of the latest version (or the version you need), and instead of curl, cp
[05:49] <SporkWitch> Two_Dogs: don't get me wrong, i'm an asshole, but i am trying to help him arrive at a GOOD solution.  I'm not trying to brush him off
[05:50] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: https://www.techwell.com/techwell-insights/2013/12/why-best-programmers-are-lazy-and-act-dumb not a version i read before tonight, but it supports and explains a philosophy that really does work, and has been an axiom for decades
[05:51] <Two_Dogs> SporkWitch: can you make his bash problem work or not? as he has discribed? for what ever hell reason he wants it as he presented.
[05:53] <SporkWitch> Two_Dogs: maybe? but it helps neither of us if there isn't a good reason to do it that way.  If there's a better solution, he benefits (and maybe i beneift if i have to research to find it, based on the real requirements).  If there _is_ a legitimate reason to do it that way, then _i_ benefit from that part, and he benefits from getting help with the desired solution.
[05:54] <SporkWitch> Two_Dogs: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[05:54] <Two_Dogs> SporkWitch: neither of us? he aint here to help you
[05:54] <Two_Dogs> i can tell
[05:56] <SporkWitch> he's not, like anyone that comes on IRC, he's a beggar.  we're volunteers.  So I will do what I can to help him find GOOD solutions, provided he shows a willingness to help himself as well.  But I'm not going to assist with what looks like an overly convoluted red herring.  If i'm wrong about it being a red herring, then i benefit, and it justifies the additional effort.  Welcome to the joys of
[05:56] <SporkWitch> mutualism
[05:56] <Two_Dogs> beggar?
[05:56] <Two_Dogs> christ dude, hes a linux user wanting help with bash
[05:58] <SporkWitch> he's someone with what appears to be an XY problem; if i'm right, he benefits from trying to get him to a more direct solution.  if he's right, i benefit from learning of a problem i couldn't see before, AND he benefits because now it becomes an interesting problem to solve, instead of jumping through unnecessary hoops to avoid the easy or right solution
[05:58] <Bloozee> SporkWitch: Cringe. It's not like I haven't gotten these to work before, I didn't realize I needed to provide you full context into a CI/CD pipeline to what may just be a structural issue to my one line bash script.
[05:58] <Two_Dogs> the fun is the puzzle of the bash issue he presented, that is why i enjoy this, the puzzle
[05:58] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: don't cringe, the issue is hte child crying right now; not you.
[05:58] <Two_Dogs> Bloozee: you asked on ##bash?
[05:59] <SporkWitch> Two_Dogs: if you just want a puzzle, i can give you all kinds of retardedly convoluted "solutions" that require a dozen tools and a script written in mindfuck (a "real" programming language); but no one benefits.  that's just masturbation.
[06:00] <Guest62344> hi ,
[06:00] <Bloozee> Two_Dogs: Yes, I did. Thank you for the suggestion, didn't realize it had its own channel as well.
[06:00] <Two_Dogs> SporkWitch: you need a rest from this, it seems to effect you negatively
[06:00] <SporkWitch> *affect, and the problem is yours: you don't care about helping people, just answering a question quickly for points
[06:01] <Two_Dogs> Bloozee: good luck with the bash puzzle
[06:04] <SporkWitch> oh and look, if you search for his actual problem, which isn't in any one message, but requires parsing multiple messages over a 30 minute period, you find this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38534781/check-if-a-file-exists-in-jenkins-pipeline
[06:05] <SporkWitch> so i was right; overly convoluted solution _isn't_ a good way to do it
[06:05] <Two_Dogs> wow
[06:05] <Bloozee> Like I said in my message, it was for a jenkins plugin, not groovy/DSL.
[06:07] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: never said anything about groovy/DSL, and none of the animosity is for you, i have issues with people that have no real interest in helping people.  He's just looking for "hey i had an answer!" points.  Maybe I could have figured out the solution to your bash script in less time than this has taken, but it didn't seem to be the right way to solve the real problem.  Sometimes i'm wrong,
[06:07] <SporkWitch> Bloozee: but in my experience, if the solution doesn't seem "right," it usually means it's introducing extra junk for no good reason, that may well cause more problems later
[06:09] <Ubu-1604> question : has anyone here running 16.04 seen a computer always waking up by itself (from the computer being in suspend mode)? Everything power related is OFF in the bios, but mine keeps waking up after awile :\
[06:10] <Ubu-1604> I've googled and ya others seem to be having this issue as well .. some thing it's the mouse being on one of the USB ports ... not too sure what's causing this :|
[06:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: sure, crappy mouse with wake on usb enabled will do it
[06:11] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: if EVERYTHING is diabled in BIOS, you're potentially looking at a short that's triggering the power button (they're not physical switches and haven't been since the AT days, they just send a signal to the mobo when pressed if there's power).  If you missed something, it could be a few things.  Most importantly, is it actually off, or just in a suspend state?
[06:11] <Ubu-1604> trif : wake on usb .. meaning in the bios? .. I put the pc in SUSPEND mode from the ubuntu menu .. it suspends just fine but after say a few hours or so it wakes up
[06:12] <Ubu-1604> I'll recheck the bios but ... well I don't think i'll find anything more .. I checked a few times already
[06:13] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: wake-on-usb isn't a setting you'd find, what he means is certain higher level suspend states where usb input can trigger the OS to come out of suspend
[06:13] <Ubu-1604> does perhaps Ubuntu try and talk to the router or a  ... hmmm forget the term ... NOOP (ftp term) to see is a connection is still enabled even if ubuntu is actually in suspend mode?
[06:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: perhaps use hibernate instead of suspend? then you have to hit power button to wake it up
[06:14] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: only network-related wake-up condition i know of is Wake-On-LAN which requires sending a specially crafted packet, which most routers dont' have an option to send, meaning you need a computer running a piece of software built to send it (usually linux)
[06:14] <Ubu-1604> SporkWitch: oh ok .... so recheck the bios again .. maybe i'll eneable it and see if there are more settings i can try and disable .. i'm not using the NIC on the mobo .. seperate PCI nic card
[06:15] <Triffid_Hunter> PCI NICs have a separate port for WOL connector, the signal doesn't go through the card edge last time I checked
[06:15] <Ubu-1604> Triffid_Hunter: ya ok i can try hibernate .. in my days that hybernate ment allot more than pushing the power button .. which is what was wanting to do anyway :)
[06:15] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: not even sure how that would play in, adds new layers of complexity (and WOL is flaky at the best of times).  i'd suspect it's not really off and you're in some high-level suspend state that doesn't take much to wake it up
[06:16] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: read Triffid_Hunter's last; he seems to know more about how non-integrated NICs handle WOL
[06:16] <Ubu-1604> Triffid_Hunter: I don't see hybernate on the ubuntu menu
[06:16] <Ubu-1604> I really do like this OS btw .. i'm very new to it but damn it runs FAST on older cpus :)))
[06:17] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: hibernate takes a bit of setting up because it involves dumping the entire contents of your RAM to your swap partition, then digging it back out after the bios fires up your kernel
[06:18] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: if you think ubuntu is fast, wait until you see some that aren't so terribly resource-inefficient lol (relatively speaking; even the most bloated linux distro may as well be a maserati compared to windows lol)
[06:19] <SporkWitch> Triffid_Hunter: hibernate has been a nightmare to get to even show up in *buntus since around 14.04; hibernate isn't something he's dealing with for his problem.  Really i think he's just not shutting down.
[06:19] <Ubu-1604> Triffid_Hunter: ya that sounds a bit much .. i'll just check more on any WOL or usb things going on .. it's going to be difficult to know if i fixed it or not right now .. I was just wondering if others have had this issue .. the mouse light does stay ON when suspend happens, mind ya other windows boxes here do that as well
[06:20] <Ubu-1604> I just keep comming home from work and my darn computer is on, or in the morning as well after I sleep .. it's freeking me out :P~~~
[06:21] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: are you actually shutting it down before you leave, though?  or do you just close the laptop lid / turn off the monitor and walk away?  If it's plugged in, it's probably just not turning off, just shutting the screen off, and so something might turn it back on.
[06:23] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: if you tell it to "sleep" or "suspend to ram" then _usually_ it'll take a keystroke, sometimes mouse movement is enough, to wake it up.  if you shut it down, then it won't turn on again until you hit the power button (unless wake on lan is enabled, but again, WOL does NOT get triggered accidentally, it doesn't even always work when set up perfectly and you're trying to INTENTIONALLY
[06:23] <Ubu-1604> SporkWitch: it's a desktop unit .. i just select SUSPEND from the top right menu and it suspends right away and the power light blinks (as it should) .. after ('im guessing) a few hours it wakes up
[06:23] <SporkWitch> trigger it)
[06:23] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: bingo.  suspend is suspend to RAM, and depending on BIOS/UEFI and kernel settings, can be a very light suspend.  got any pets?  they bump the desk, the mouse might wake it up
[06:25] <SporkWitch> look through the power settings to see if it's possibly doing even less, like just shutting the screen off
[06:25] <Ubu-1604> SporkWitch:  hmmm no nothing moves here .. ya perhaps it's a light suspend or something, but no nothing gets bumped at all / no key presses, so your saying I can try SLEEP instead (how todo that?)
[06:26] <Ubu-1604> SporkWitch: yes the monitor, which is actually either this 40 inch or my 80 inch hdmi tv gets powered off
[06:27] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: so suspend works, but maybe your mouse reports a phantom movement after a while that wakes everything up. see what happens if you unplug it while the thing is sleeping
[06:28] <Triffid_Hunter> and if that wakes it up, unplug it before you tell it to sleep and use the keyboard shortcut or something
[06:28] <Ubu-1604> not that this matters .. waking up I can handle .. got a different question, more 'serious' ... how can I force ubuntu to try other video resolutions? ... windoze can, but all I get under the settings is unknown monitor and forced to use 1024X768 :\
[06:29] <Ubu-1604> trif : ya i'll try a few things and i'm sure something can be found to make it sleep/suspend better :) .. what about changing the res. ?
[06:29] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: for VGA? have a play with xrandr, and ask google how to generate your own modelines.. for anything else, the screen should report what it can do unless your graphics drivers are broken
[06:30] <Ubu-1604> Triffid_Hunter: awsome .. i'll check out this xrandr now .. and yes i use a VGA ... which i love ;)
[06:31] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: even VGA has a method for the screen to tell the graphics card what it supports.. don't remember what it's called but I haven't had to fiddle with modelines since the early 2000s
[06:34] <Ubu-1604> Triffid_Hunter: ya this looks kinda comples trying to use this xrandr command line tool .. somday someone might make an app from that 'ubuntu software' icon (which i like, has allot of software
[06:36] <Ubu-1604> sigh .. i'm too new to this linux/unix world :))) ... this IRc client Quassel is pretty awsome .. it shows pop-ups over my other software if soeone says something to me :D
[06:36] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: well the gui stuff basically just talks to xrandr for you, but the gui programs always *always* have less capabilities than the terminal tools :P
[06:37] <TJ-> Ubu-1604: xrandr is *the* tool, it provides complete info plus control for all the powerful commands for controlling monitors, which all GUI tools have failed at
[06:37] <Ubu-1604> Triffid_Hunter: well this resolution I can handle .. so if I get a different video card that might work better? .. I was just thinking it cannot detect the monitor (since it says 'unknown monitor') thus the less res. optons available
[06:38] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: or your monitor isn't talking to it, or your cable is damaged, or your graphics drivers aren't working right..
[06:38] <TJ-> Ubu-1604: can you show us "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[06:38] <Triffid_Hunter> my vga screens definitely told my graphics card what resolutions they supported, and xrandr would list them all out and usually pick the best one
[06:38] <Ubu-1604> or the vga switch box running 6 other computers and 1 of the 2 outputs goes to a hdmi converter box
[06:39] <Ubu-1604> a few hops before it reaches the tv ;)
[06:39] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: ugh that's probably why
[06:39] <Ubu-1604> wellllllll FIX it ;P
[06:39] <TJ-> Ubu-1604: if you've got VGA switchers many do not pass through the monitor EDID, but provide their own (fixed) values
[06:39] <Triffid_Hunter> oh yeah edid, that's the keyword I was looking for
[06:40] <Ubu-1604> kidding ... this ubuntu really is darn good ... somsone put it on this computer and i've been playing with it ever since ... i have it constantly updated .. i check everyday.
[06:40] <Ubu-1604> btw should i always do a full reboot after each/every upgrade/update .. i usually do.
[06:41] <ohjeachan> after doing a fresh install of 18.04 from the netinstall iso Gnome has an issue when a user logs out and tries to log back in, the system hangs
[06:41] <TJ-> Ubu-1604: only need a reboot for kernel upgrades and some critical system libraries. Log-out/log-in is sufficient for most other upgrades. The system will tell you if a reboot is required, too.
[06:41] <Triffid_Hunter> Ubu-1604: no need to reboot unless you have a new kernel
[06:43] <Ubu-1604> TJ-: ahhh ok, good to know, ya it would be nice if ubuntu would prompt if a reboot is required, but all is working great ... I did install that BleachBit 2.X and boy it took out allot ... almost 900Meg and this is a new ubuntu install.
[06:43] <Two_Dogs> ohjeachan: does ctrl-alt-backspace(2x) return you to login ?
[06:45] <ohjeachan> Two_Dogs: I didn't know that, I'll give it a test when I'm trying again but hopefully the issue is fixed soon.
[06:45] <TJ-> Ubu-1604: Storage is cheap; removing packages that were installed by default is generally not necessary or desirable
[06:45] <ohjeachan> brb
[06:46] <Two_Dogs> ohjeachan: if this has happened in the last day check systemlog, do> journalctl --since=yesterday --pri=3 ## look for anything interesting
[06:49] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: i use kubuntu, not ubuntu, so not sure where it is, but there's a driver wizard app on kubuntu by default.  99% of the time, the only things that come up are proprietary GPU drivers, but if you have nvidia, YOU WANT THEM.  1024x768 is a VGA limitation, which means current drivers don't know what to do with your GPU, so they're falling back to some REAL old school standards
[06:49] <ohjeachan> okay the log out/log in issue is fixed no need for Ctrl+Alt+Backspacex2
[06:50] <Ubu-1604> SporkWitch: yes that makes total sence ... vga is a good enuf standard .. I'm planning on installing ubuntu on some better computers here with 'real' video cards that do hdmi output.
[06:51] <Ubu-1604> ok this should be a simple question .. I am seeing a number od INSTALLED programs when i look at that 'ubuntu software' icon (for lack of a better word). How do i find ALL the programs installed on the computer .. currently I am just going to each 'installed' one, run LAUNCH, then lock it to the task bar.
[06:51] <ohjeachan> only issue now is that despite setting screen time-out to off it still blanks when I choose to lock
[06:53] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: off the top of my head, i don't recall, but if you type "man apt" you should find how.  Most things can be done (and almost always done better) in a CLI, and manpages are awesome.  It's short for "manual page," as in "instruction manual."  Type "man" (for manual") then the name of the command, and it'll provide info.  At first it looks arcane, but they tend to follow a fairly standard
[06:54] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: format, and they're insanely helpful (even in university courses, they'll usually not stop you using the manpages, because they're literally THE first thing you should check for any linux question)
[06:54] <TJ-> Ubu-1604: "apt list --installed"
[06:54] <TJ-> Ubu-1604: that lists *all* packages though, including system libraries, not just the programs you'll recognise
[06:55] <Ubu-1604> ya i've used MAN before ... I was just hoping to group these icons together in a folder .. kinda like windoze does ... i have not tried the 17.X or 18.X of Ubuntu, perhaps the GUI has folders and such to group software into
[06:55] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: when he says system libraries, that falls into the category of "dependencies," meaning stuff that gets installed because another program needs it to run
[06:55] <TJ-> Ubu-1604: for a list excluding libraries use "apt list --installed | grep -v lib"
[06:55] <SporkWitch> TJ-: there should be a flag to only show those _manually_ installed, excluding the auto-installed ones for deps
[06:56] <Ubu-1604> TJ-: well it's ok now .. I just goto each INSTALLED one , launch it, then LOCK to that launcher side bar .. but it's getting sa bit crowded with allot of icons ;)
[06:56] <TJ-> SporkWitch: that's almost what "debfoster --show-keeprs" does
[06:57] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: you might have missed some earlier discussion, but that falls into what i was talkign about earlier with regard to "if it feels like too many steps, there's probably a better way"
[06:57] <Ubu-1604> SporkWitch: heheheh ya i hear ya .. is there a way to widen the width of that LAUNCHER side bar so i can see 2 rows of icons?
[06:58] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: again, i don't use ubuntu, but kubuntu. it's a direct descendent, but instead of unity or gnome, it uses the far superior KDE DE :)
[06:58] <Ubu-1604> again this is pretty minor stuff i'm talking about :)
[06:58] <ducasse> 'apt-mark showmanual' will list manually installed packages
[06:58] <SporkWitch> Ubu-1604: what you described means nothing to me, it sounds like unity, which is so bad taht the latest version of ubuntu got rid of it to go back to gnome lol
[06:59] <ohjeachan> anyone know how to add blank website shortcuts to to the templates folder like with the touch command?
[06:59] <SporkWitch> ducasse: thank you! Ubu-1604 see ducasse's last comment, taht's what you want to find the "real" stuff that YOU installed.  it might not include the bundled stuff, but it'll ignore the "extra" stuff that only got installed because the thing YOU said to install needed it to work
[07:00] <WillyWanka> help plz! :(  it said no more space on /boot partition, so I deleted what I thought were old backup files, ... well they wrent, now I cannot login anymore it says files missing .... heeeelppp
[07:00] <Ubu-1604> SporkWitch: ok will do .. thanks~!!
[07:00] <ohjeachan> Well there's your mistake right there, you deleted something without knowing what you were removing
[07:00] <WillyWanka> is there some command to enter into a terminal instead of the login window of ubuntu and then run some boot partition restoration
[07:01] <SporkWitch> WillyWanka: https://superuser.com/questions/1092764/how-can-i-fix-my-computer-when-i-deleted-the-boot-drive
[07:01] <WillyWanka> live cd ok what i though
[07:01] <WillyWanka> thx
[07:02] <ohjeachan> the ubuntu installation images have a repair option
[07:02] <TJ-> WillyWanka: if the systems is failing to log-in to the GUI and all you did is remove files from /boot/ then that is not the cause of the failed login
[07:02] <WillyWanka> but what do if boot keeps running out of diskpace, I cannot isntall anything with apt-get aymore
[07:02] <SporkWitch> WillyWanka: TJ- is probably right, i'm drunk and responded reflexively to to you saying you nuked stuff on the boot partition
[07:03] <TJ-> WillyWanka: have you cleaned out the older /boot/initrd.img.$VERSION files manually first to give the system some space to work, and then done "sudo apt autoremove" ?
[07:03] <SporkWitch> (at least depending on WHAT you nuked; SOME stuff is required in /boot, because BIOS and the MBR don't have enough room for what's needed to start booting a modern OS)
[07:06] <Ubu-1604> seems I can upgrade a new ubuntu base what has a changed boot animation .. guess i'll reboot soon .. i'll recheck the bios again for that WAKE issue :)
[07:06] <TJ-> WillyWanka: the usual cause is not removing older kernel versions so the system-built initrd.img-* files (which typically can be 50MB each) quickly use up the reserved space.
[07:07] <TJ-> WillyWanka: if you install the package unattended-upgrades there's a config variable you can change to have it automatically clean up the kernels
[07:08] <SporkWitch> TJ-: can you reference a good article describing the rules that follows?  Was about to comment about how i was surprised there weren't rules to clean out old ones.  I'm just used to testing and then deleting old manually.
[07:09] <SporkWitch> TJ-: all well and good for the vets, but not newbie friendly, and i'm loath to say "do this"; i'd rather make them learn WHAT it does, as it keeps them from hurting themselves and helps them become self-suffificent
[07:09] <TJ-> WillyWanka: you'd edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades and find/change to the following line: "Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Kernel-Packages "true";  "
[07:11] <Two_Dogs> TJ-: the process you suggest would leave how many kernel installed by default?
[07:12] <TJ-> Two_Dogs: there's a separate job/conf in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d./01autoremove-kernels that creates a list of (usually) the last 3 kernels to keep
[07:12] <Two_Dogs> TJ-: ok
[07:13] <TJ-> I've argued that the entire thing needs revamping so on boot the systemt tracks kernels that are being 1) booted 2) boot successfully, to aid in deciding which (older) kernels need to be retained (e.g. for testers, fallbacks to support older hardware with obselete/removed drivers, etc.)
[07:15] <Ubu-1604> brb...
[07:19] <Two_Dogs> my other setup as kernel-purge as a service, keeps two
[07:20] <TJ-> Previous ubuntu release kernels are kept too. I've seen systems that have done do-release-upgrades from 8.04 with some very old kernels still hanging about
[07:24] <tobylane> Is there a way to interrupt a multi command bash line at the end of the current command?
[07:26] <TJ-> tobylane: you could try suspending it to background then kill the job
[07:27] <wabznasm> !info mysql-server
[07:27] <borkedd> guys, how can i launch the xubuntu 18.04 installer for BIOS_
[07:28] <borkedd> everytime i boot the usb drive, t does launch the EFI installer, which already gives me the error reported about /temp/ stuff that have been already reported
[07:29] <tobylane> thanks tj
[07:31] <TJ-> borkedd: that's controlled by the PC's own firmware manual boot manager
[07:31] <borkedd> TJ-: yeah, but i can perfectly boot any other }buntu in the past in legacy
[07:32] <borkedd> now if i try booting in legacy, it trows me a msg about -this disk is not bootable, please insert a bootable disk-
[07:32] <TJ-> borkedd: well the ISOs are hybrid so they will do whatever the PC firmware chooses
[07:32] <TJ-> borkedd: did you do an image checksum test to ensure it's not corrupted
[07:33] <borkedd> TJ-: yes, just did that, and it is pristine
[07:33] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[07:33] <borkedd> TJ-: can i force in any way the intaller to install in BIOS mode although im on eufi booted live session_
[07:33] <TJ-> borkedd: is it on a USB device, or a real DVD?
[07:33] <borkedd> live USB
[07:33] <silv3r_m00n> i have a webpage where there are some links like file://...some localfile.  i need to click on these links and open the file in gedit or any text editor of my choice
[07:33] <silv3r_m00n> how can i do that ?
[07:34] <borkedd> i read that burning it on a DVD does do the trick, but its 3.30 am here, i cannot just go and buy a blank dvd
[07:35] <wabznasm> silv3r_m00n: is your intention to be able to edit the file"
[07:36] <quackgyver> Hi friends. I was gonna give up on Linux after I couldn't install Ubuntu on a brand new laptop, but I caved in and got another one instead.
[07:36] <silv3r_m00n> wabznasm: yes
[07:36] <silv3r_m00n> it is a local file
[07:36] <quackgyver> But uh, it won't install on that one either. Always due to arbitrary issues and errors. Like, either due to glitches like freezes and black screens, or due to crashes with errors.
[07:37] <WillyWanka> get windows quack because linux is cancer
[07:37] <quackgyver> Can anyone help guide me through an install and coach me through any errors that occur?
[07:37] <WillyWanka> unless you have a very specific application for it in my opniion, im not usually on this channel though
[07:37] <quackgyver> This is just for a side computer
[07:37] <quackgyver> to get better att Linux.
[07:38] <quackgyver> but I want to start learning from a functional installation
[07:38] <quackgyver> I didn't really anticipate not being able to install Ubuntu on two brand new computers in a row.
[07:38] <WillyWanka> ok i think installing ubuntu is no different from installing windows, just click ok ok ok and done
[07:39] <TJ-> borkedd: I'd suspect the image *on the USB device* is corrupt if the PC firmware is reporting it isn't BIOS-bootable
[07:40] <TJ-> quackgyver: did you confirm the install media isn't corrupt? Or do the failures happen after Ubuntu is installed?
[07:41] <Ubu-1604> back :)
[07:42] <quackgyver> WillyWanka: That's what you'd expect, yes.
[07:43] <quackgyver> TJ-: I tried googling on how to verify the installation but couldn't understand what I found, so to rule out a faulty flash I bought a new USB stick and then tried flashing both of them on two different OS', on three different computers using three different flashing programs.
[07:43] <quackgyver> Always on a fresh download.
[07:43] <quackgyver> And flashing both as ISO and DD.
[07:43] <Kremator> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1767889
[07:43] <quackgyver> Or rather, different combinations of all of the above inbetween installations.
[07:44] <quackgyver> I also tried downloading the ISO on three different networks.
[07:44] <quackgyver> So I think that a bad source can be ruled out with some amount of confidence.
[07:44] <TJ-> quackgyver: so is it failing during installation, or after the system has booted the installed OS?
[07:48] <quackgyver> TJ-: Here's what happened in order: 1. I updated Windows fully, and updated the BIOS to the most recent version. 2. I flashed the Ubuntu ISO on an USB stick. 3. I installed Ubuntu with encryption and LVM, but it froze when it was about 70% done.
[07:48] <quackgyver> 4. I tried installing again, this time without encryption or LVM, but it went black screen at about 30%. 5. I tried turning off UEFI and fastboot, but it once again went blackscreen. 6. I tried installing from the Live CD, but got some kind of error that I couldn't understand and now can't remember.
[07:48] <quackgyver>  7. I tried wiping the HDD with gparted and installing again from the boot USB, but it once again froze. 8. I tried running the installer with nomodeset, but this changed the installation wizard so that it forced me to manually select the partitions (i.e. as if I had chosen "something else" instead of "normal" installation) and I didn't know what to do from there.
[07:48] <quackgyver> But add 4 attempts to install with various little changes on each step.
[07:49] <quackgyver> Like encryption on, encryption off. LVM on, LVM off etc.
[07:49] <quackgyver> Flashing the USB again, etc.
[07:49] <quackgyver> oh wait I was wrong, it wasn't nomodeset that changed the installer's flow. It was acpi=off. nomodeset caused the installer to not even run and just go black immediately.
[07:50] <TJ-> right. acpi=off is a bad thing since at least 2008; systems rely on it nowadays
[07:50] <quackgyver> So yeah, I don't really know what to do. This is the second brand new laptop that Ubuntu won't install on.
[07:50] <TJ-> quackgyver: what's the make/model of the PC?
[07:51] <quackgyver> TJ-: ASUS Vivobook E12.
[07:51] <TJ-> quackgyver: we often see issues with the very latest hardware until the Linux kernel gets the required drivers/functions added to support it
[07:51] <quackgyver> I researched it before buying it and others seem to have been able to install Ubuntu on it.
[07:51] <quackgyver> oic
[07:52] <TJ-> quackgyver: that's a good data-point so it sounds like you have something happening locally
[07:52] <quackgyver> But this is just a good old low spec PC. Celeron, 4GB RAM, eMMC, Intel HD 500 etc.
[07:52] <quackgyver> So I feel like it should work.
[07:52] <TJ-> quackgyver: I know I'm repeating myself, but all the symptoms you've described shout to me "corrupt installer image"
[07:52] <quackgyver> Well, OEM Windows ran just fine.
[07:53] <quackgyver> Alright, well, maybe!
[07:53] <quackgyver> How can I verify? Do you have a good resource?
[07:53] <quackgyver> I couldn't find anything that I could understand.
[07:53] <TJ-> quackgyver: 1) did you verify the checksum of the ISO file after it was downloaded? 2) when starting the installer did you use the boot-menu option "check/verify ISO installer image" (or whatever the text is!) ?
[07:53] <quackgyver> Should I run something from Live CD?
[07:54] <quackgyver> TJ-: I didn't check the checksum, but I did verify the ISO installer image and it came out clean.
[07:54] <TJ-> quackgyver: to check the ISO file from Windows see this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/607813/ubuntu-md5-verify-from-windows#607829
[07:54] <quackgyver> I downloaded the ISO like 4-6 times onto different laptops and via different networks tho
[07:54] <quackgyver> I can check it again though
[07:54] <TJ-> quackgyver: if the ISO when booted says it's OK I'd generally believe it
[07:54] <quackgyver> Alright, I'll do that right away. One sec.
[07:55] <quackgyver> Okay well, I'll verify the checksum of the ISO, flash it again, run it on the laptop and then verify the installation
[07:55] <TJ-> quackgyver: so, that takes us on to some kind of instability whilst the PC is running. The obvious 1 would be memory faults (RAM) but from what you've said that sounds extremely unlikely
[07:55] <quackgyver> right now, just to rule it out
[07:56] <quackgyver> Well give me just a second and I'll verify it so that there is no doubt
[07:58] <TJ-> quackgyver: one thing I can think of that you might consider that I've seen others suffer, is a problem with recent NVMe/SSD storage devices causing issues because they're just too fast, and catch out the kernel. It depends on /how/ recent the hardware is as to whether that might be the cause though.
[08:03] <rajat_jk> hi , i installed in php project and it giving me  " 505 and when i checked issue " is writeable by group "
[08:03] <rajat_jk> i am loking fr command to solve this
[08:03] <blackbinary> hi guys :)
[08:04] <quackgyver> TJ-: Alright, I just verified the MD5 checksum and it checked out. Then I flashed the USB again, and verified it post-flash, and it checked out. Then I checked the install media via the boot menu, and it checked out ("Check finished: no errors found")
[08:04] <quackgyver> So that rules it out
[08:04] <quackgyver> Also I see
[08:04] <quackgyver> Is there anything that can be done about that?
[08:05] <quackgyver> I don't really know what my next step is here.
[08:05] <quackgyver> :/
[08:06] <TJ-> quackgyver: Well, first thing would be to prove whats causing it. I'd recommend starting the installer in "Try Ubuntu" mode and exercising the system extensively using that Live environment rather than installing immediately. Then, if it starts acting up you know there's a systemic issue of /running/ the OS and you also can use the terminal to check log files etc., to get a clue as to what is wrong
[08:06] <quackgyver> I actually already did that with the Live CD, and found no problems.
[08:06] <TJ-> If "Try Ubuntu" is fine and stable then we know there's an installer-specific issue somewhere
[08:06] <quackgyver> It runs as well as can be expected.
[08:06] <TJ-> quackgyver: you're ahead of me then!
[08:06] <quackgyver> With not so much as a single error. :P
[08:07] <Ubu-1604> ok it's 2am .. gotta zzzz here .. thanks for your help folks :) ... see ya tomorrow :D
[08:07] <quackgyver> Good night.
[08:07] <TJ-> quackgyver: give me a momeny; let me search for any related bug reports of this
[08:07] <quackgyver> TJ-: Thanks. I appreciate that.
[08:10] <TJ-> quackgyver: wow! the installer package "ubiquity" has a lot of bugs of the general type "installer crashed" with no further information to determine if they may be related.
[08:10] <TJ-> quackgyver: Did you, from the "Try Ubuntu" sessions, then initiate the install from the desktop icon?
[08:12] <quackgyver> Uh wait, I tried booting the Live CD again just now, and it's giving me some kind of error. First it goes "mce: [Hardware Error]" thrice, listing "CPU 0", "TSC 0 ADDR fef61f40" and "PROCESSOR 0:506c9" as problematic. I've seen this error msg before during boot, but now it also spits out "[OK] Started Holds Snappy daemon refresh", "Mounting Mount unit for core...", "[OK] Mounted Mount unit for core", "(1 of 2) A start job is
[08:12] <quackgyver> running for Hol" (cuts of there) and "[* ] (1 of 2) A start job is running for Hold until boot process finishes up (23s / no limit)"
[08:12] <quackgyver> then just stops there
[08:12] <quackgyver> This has never happened before, during the full day that I've troubleshooted this.
[08:12] <quackgyver> I've been in the Live CD environment like 10 times without this happening. :/
[08:13] <quackgyver> Also wow, that's frustrating.
[08:13] <TJ-> quackgyver: one thing I haven't seen you mention - which version of Ubuntu are you trying to install? Is it the latest 18.04 Bionic ?
[08:14] <quackgyver> Yeah, whichever is the latest LTS. 18.04 64-bit.
[08:16] <TJ-> quackgyver: hold on!! MCE is a serious hardware failure. Machine Check Exception.
[08:16] <quackgyver> I googled it and it said something about IRQ conflict.
[08:16] <quackgyver> Alright, after a reboot Live CD runs again.
[08:16] <TJ-> This is the Asus Vivobook ?
[08:16] <quackgyver> I googled for "A start job is running for hold" and it seems to be a confirmed bug.
[08:16] <quackgyver> TJ-: Yes.
[08:17] <quackgyver> The Asus Vivobook is the second laptop that I referred to, and is also the one that I'm still trying to install Ubuntu on.
[08:17] <quackgyver> Right now I'm sitting in the Live CD environment.
[08:17] <TJ-> quackgyver: that's a generic message when *any* service/job is slow to start
[08:18] <quackgyver> Alright.
[08:18] <quackgyver> Well it's gone now. :)
[08:18] <wabznasm> quackgyver: FWIW, this has a lot of info about things tried in installing a dual-boot system on Vivo E12 but TLDR is that he failed and went to single boot in the end https://neverware.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360000009987-Installing-on-Asus-Vivo-Book-E12
[08:18] <TJ-> quackgyver: generally MCEs are REAL faults with the hardware, either the CPU or RAM. There's a tool that can decode what the actual error is too
[08:18] <wabznasm> quackgyver: not Ubuntu, but lots of suggestions for BIOS changes
[08:18] <quackgyver> wabznasm: Yeah but I'm attempting a full installation.
[08:18] <quackgyver> I'll look into it tho.
[08:18] <wabznasm> quackgyver: ok - just FYI in case it helps.
[08:19] <quackgyver> wabznasm: Will check it out, thanks. :)
[08:19] <quackgyver> TJ-: Can I troubleshoot it somehow?
[08:19] <quackgyver> e.g. run a hardware checker via the live cd?
[08:19] <TJ-> quackgyver: whilst I dig some more, this might help you understand MCE better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-check_exception
[08:21] <TJ-> !info mcelog
[08:21] <TJ-> !info mcelog xenial
[08:21] <quackgyver> Thanks.
[08:22] <TJ-> well damn! mcelog removed from 18.04, grrr
[08:22] <quackgyver> Haha.
[08:22] <cperrin> Hey. I amtrying to install ubuntu server 16.04.4 on my Dell R515 and it just wouldn't work. I get the grub screen but after that it just doesn't display anything. It might be a problem with the graphics that I just can't see any thing. Is there an option for "simpler" graphics?
[08:23] <wabznasm> TJ-: info out of date maybe? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/amd64/mcelog/153+dfsg-1
[08:25] <TJ-> wabznasm: apparently it was removed from Debian because the kernel no longer provides the interface - sounds iffy since kernel never breaks userspace
[08:26] <wabznasm> TJ-: fair enough. Maybe it's now part of systemd? ;-)
[08:28] <TJ-> quackgyver: Will the Vivobook start the GUI enve when there's an MCE reported? I'm wondering if we can grab the full error code from the kernel log so I can decode it manually. I've also seen mention of some regression in kernel v4.15 due to the PTI patches (the Intel speculative execution bug)
[08:30] <quackgyver> Yeah. I only saw the message behind the Ubuntu splash screen
[08:30] <quackgyver> but everything always ran perfectly fine
[08:30] <quackgyver> I can reboot the Live CD if you want me to try to check it out
[08:31] <nicholasBPM> I there any command line tools that shows what app uses most bandwidth?
[08:31] <TJ-> quackgyver: oh, that's good. If it's running after reporting an MCE we can grab it! open a terminal then do this: "sudo apt install pastebinit" then once that's installed, do "pastebinit /var/log/kern.log" and tell me the URL it gives
[08:32] <EriC^> nicholasBPM: nethogs
[08:33] <nicholasBPM> EriC^, thanks i will look it up
[08:34] <quackgyver> TJ-: Too late, I rebooted hoping to catch the error with my camera.
[08:34] <quackgyver> And now it won't recognize the USB stick :D
[08:34] <quackgyver> as a boot loader
[08:34] <quackgyver> which for some reasons happens at random
[08:34] <TJ-> quackgyver: hehehe... sounds very hardware oriented!
[08:34] <quackgyver> I'm gonna try to get into Live CD again, one sec
[08:34] <TJ-> maybe Asus designed it to behave badly if the OS isn't Windows!
[08:35] <TJ-> quackgyver: if you can provoke the MCE and get to GUI please do follow those steps I gave and report the URL so we can take a look
[08:35] <quackgyver> Well it seems that after Ubuntu has glitched out, I need to hard power off the laptop
[08:35] <quackgyver> for the bios to be able to recognize the boot usb again
[08:35] <quackgyver> so I did that and now it can find the cd again
[08:36] <quackgyver> It spat out the error again, so I'll run your command from within the live cd
[08:37] <TJ-> quackgyver: finally we're making progress :)
[08:37] <TJ-> quackgyver: just so I can appear clairvoyant - I'm suspecting this is an ACPI issue and that I already know of a solution/workaround for it :)
[08:38] <quackgyver> Okay, now gnome seems to not have loaded properly
[08:38] <quackgyver> Map icons aren't showing, I can't open terminal and upon opening settings I'm getting a "failed to execute child process "gnome-control-center""
[08:38] <quackgyver> This also never happened before
[08:38] <quackgyver> I'll try another reboot
[08:39] <quackgyver> Also alright! That's cool
[08:39] <TJ-> Can you get to a text console, press Ctrl+Alt+F2 and you should get a login prompt
[08:41] <quackgyver> Well this is wild. Now Live CD is bugged. But sure, I could do ctrl+alt+f2
[08:41] <quackgyver> I also managed to snap the error with my camera
[08:41] <TJ-> quackgyver: that was fast reflexes then :)
[08:41] <quackgyver> haha thanks
[08:42] <TJ-> quackgyver: all this definitely points to a problem with the hardware. I'm guessing it hasn't configured correctly, due to ACPI bugs in the PC's own firmware
[08:43] <TJ-> quackgyver: if you can get to a text terminal there's a command I can give you to determine an optimal settings for ACPI that may help
[08:46] <quackgyver> TJ-: Here you go: https://pastebin.com/q1dbnq3x
[08:46] <quackgyver> Also I see
[08:47] <quackgyver> Also alright, I just logged into the terminal.
[08:47] <quackgyver> In Live CD:
[08:47] <quackgyver> .*
[08:47] <quackgyver> If you want me to run a command
[08:49] <TJ-> quackgyver: can you do "pastebinit <( sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows) "
[08:49] <quackgyver> Oops, f2f61f40 is supposed to say fef61f40
[08:50] <quackgyver> TJ-: Can I just open it and read it somehow
[08:50] <quackgyver> and then copypaste it into pastebin
[08:50] <quackgyver> It'd be easier for me
[08:54] <TJ-> quackgyver: I've just decoded it (corrected value) and this is what is reported: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VGsh3BYNRd/
[08:54] <cperrin> Okay. I am unable to see the installer for ubuntu 16.04.4 server I just get a black screen
[08:54] <TJ-> quackgyver: not great but it tells us there's a real problem on the CPU "Processor context corrupt"
[08:54] <quackgyver> Oh wow
[08:54] <EriC^^> cperrin: did you try using "nomodeset" ?
[08:54] <quackgyver> Do you know what that means effecively?
[08:54] <quackgyver> effectively*
[08:55] <cperrin> EriC^^: Yes I think i did. I enabled that. But I can try again.
[08:56] <EriC^^> cperrin: try removing 'quiet splash' and use 'verbose' instead
[08:56] <TJ-> quackgyver: I suspect 2 things 1) ACPI 2) PTI (Meltdown CPU bug) microcode patches
[08:57] <cperrin> EriC^^: okay i do all that.
[08:57] <quackgyver> What do you think it is?
[08:57] <quackgyver> Should I try installing with some kind of switch to turn ACPI off?
[08:57] <TJ-> quackgyver: let's try easiest first (2) - reboot to the boot menu, highlight the "Try Ubuntu" option, then press 'e' to edit the entry, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ..." and add to the line (before the --) "nopti" then boot with that change
[08:58] <TJ-> quackgyver: if it's ACPI you need the opposite - enable more ACPI functionality by fooling the firmware into thinking it's MS Windows OS running
[08:58] <quackgyver> So "quiet spla\sh nopti ---"?
[08:58] <quackgyver> Ah alright :)
[08:59] <TJ-> quackgyver: yes, you've got it
[09:00] <quackgyver> Alright. I gotta leave for a meeting. Can I ping you in 1h?
[09:00] <quackgyver> I wish I could stay but I gotta go for a bit :/
[09:00] <quackgyver> I'll try booting up Ubuntu in the meantime
[09:01] <quackgyver> Ok gotta run but, thank you so much for your help so far.
[09:01] <TJ-> quackgyver: I may not be around by then, but others can take you further now you've got some ideas
[09:01] <quackgyver> I'll get back to you ASAP. Thanks!!!
[09:02] <cperrin> EriC^^: I tried that and I didn't get a screen
[09:03] <EriC^^> cperrin: did it show any errors?
[09:03] <cperrin> Nope
[09:03] <cperrin> It just flickered shortly and then it was black/blank
[09:04] <EriC^^> cperrin: did you try booting without secureboot worth a shot maybe
[09:04] <cperrin> It is in BIOS mode
[09:05] <TJ-> quackgyver: I'm seeing a few reports that users might solve this MCE with a BIOS/firmware upgrade, so check if there's a newer version available for the Vivobook and if so install it
[09:06] <cperrin> EriC^^: The interesting thing is that if I start the CD/DVD Checker I can see that it rattles through the whole disk by the activity but I get nothing on my screen.
[09:07] <TJ-> cperrin: are there multiple GPUs or monitors attached?
[09:07] <cperrin> Nope
[09:09] <TJ-> cperrin: I've seen some (older) graphics cards where output is only on it's 'primary' output once Linux starts, which if the monitor is connected to a 'secondard' output results in a blank screen. Both outputs are active whilst the system is in BIOS and POSTing though, which can fool you
[09:10] <cperrin> I think I got it now. I had to use nomodeset and delete the vga=788 option
[09:11] <TJ-> cperrin: ahh, sounds like it was setting an out-of-range mode
[09:12] <cperrin> Just took me about 3 hours -_-
[09:30] <nicholasBPM> When i edit a file with vi it word wrap perfects but when i try nano -w it still reads the long line to one line
[09:33] <nicholasBPM> sorry I searched for the wrong word
[09:33] <nicholasBPM> pressing ESC once and then $ solved the issue
[10:02] <aptdontwork> I'm having trouble with a apt repo that requires apt-transport-https. There is a TLS proxy server I have to hop through to get to it. I've tried setting Verify-Peer and Verify-Host to false as well as adding the path to the CA pem in CAInfo. It always fails. Any thoughts?
[10:03] <TJ-> aptdontwork: have you captured the apt debug messages to further diagnose it?
[10:03] <aptdontwork> I should also mention that the system already respects the CA file so curl works just fine. Here is my apt conf I've added for this: https://pastebin.com/Xe8RdUA9
[10:05] <TJ-> aptdontwork: for debugging TLS try "apt -o Debug::Acquire::https=true update"
[10:07] <aptdontwork> TJ-: Thanks, I don't see anything very helpful in the output but maybe you'll see something I don't? https://pastebin.com/RC1ffWgy
[10:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:09] <quackgyver> TJ-: Alright, I'm back. Sorry for leaving so abruptly. As for the BIOS upgrade, I already updated to the most recent version the first thing I did.
[10:10] <quackgyver> I don't know if you're still here but I'm wondering if there's anything you wanted me to do after booting the Live CD with nopci?
[10:10] <quackgyver> nopti*
[10:10] <Live> i really need a new nickname
[10:10] <quackgyver> Haha.
[10:11] <TJ-> quackgyver: did you see my last message on the MCE issue?
[10:11] <quackgyver> About the BIOS?
[10:11] <TJ-> quackgyver: maybe I didn't actually type it!...
[10:11] <quackgyver> Haha I don't think you did :P
[10:11] <quackgyver> But did you want me to do something after booting the Live CD with nopti?
[10:13] <TJ-> quackgyver: read this, then can we figure out if the CPU in the Vivobook matches the description (Apollo Lake) https://askubuntu.com/questions/874234/intel-apollo-lake-j3455-random-frequent-freezes-on-ui-and-mce-error-on-boot
[10:13] <TJ-> quackgyver: when you've booted with "nopti" that disables the kernel Page Table Isolation (Meltdown) fixes - which are known to cause issues for some systems. If it then always behaves (when doing the install operation) then you have likely found the problem and a workaround.
[10:15] <TJ-> quackgyver: you can check the CPU with "grep name /proc/cpuinfo"
[10:15] <quackgyver> TJ-: Well the Live CD is still messed up, even with nopti
[10:15] <quackgyver> This is very strange, because the live cd always worked prior to this
[10:16] <quackgyver> Also alright, I'll go ahead and read that
[10:16] <TJ-> quackgyver: That's kind of good; it'd have been a pain if PTI patches were still causing issues
[10:16] <TJ-> quackgyver: so, shall we get the customised config option to try the ACPI workaround?
[10:17] <TJ-> quackgyver: that article sounds very like what you're experiencing
[10:17] <quackgyver> TJ-: Alright, just so I'm following, what do you want me to do specifically? Read the page and try the given steps?
[10:18] <quackgyver> What was the CMD shortcut again?
[10:18] <quackgyver> I can't seem to use it
[10:18] <quackgyver> Terminal still won't open
[10:19] <TJ-> quackgyver: you can get to a text console with Ctrl+Alt+F2 then login (if needed)
[10:19] <TJ-> quackgyver: on the Live ISO I think it logs you in (as "ubuntu" user) automatically
[10:19] <quackgyver> Yeah that's what I tried but it's not working anymore.
[10:20] <quackgyver> I'll reboot and verify the install media again
[10:20] <quackgyver> cus the live cd only started messing up now
[10:20] <quackgyver> no idea why
[10:21] <quackgyver> You still want me to run with nopti?
[10:21] <quackgyver> I'm in the boot menu atm
[10:21] <TJ-> quackgyver: for that article, just read up to verify the symptoms described sound like what you're experiencing, then identify the CPU in the Vivobook to see if it matches those mentioned (Intel Atoms based on Apollo Lake architecture) - see https://ark.intel.com/products/codename/80644/Apollo-Lake
[10:22] <TJ-> quackgyver: shame we don't know the ACPI strings to try as yet
[10:23] <quackgyver> TJ-: Alright, I'll check the cpu. One sec.
[10:23] <rcm888> I compiled xrdp 0.9.6. how to make .deb package?
[10:25] <quackgyver> TJ-: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N3350 @ 1.10GHz
[10:25] <quackgyver> I already knew this :P
[10:25] <quackgyver> I have the h/w specs
[10:26] <quackgyver> TJ-: https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-E203NA/
[10:26] <quackgyver> It's this exact model.
[10:29] <TJ-> quackgyver: the N3350 is on the Apollo Lake list so I think the article is related to your issue, which makes it a hardware/firmware/PC issue, not Linux specific. It's very likely the Asus Windows drivers do something to correct it
[10:29] <TJ-> quackgyver: if you can get a terminal we can try the ACPI workaround in case it helps
[10:29] <quackgyver> When you say hardware/firmware issue, what is the problem more specifically?
[10:30] <corey__> how would i make my AMD RX560 run at full clocks? (disable all of power saving) it causes a lot of lag for me, running the open source drivers
[10:31] <TJ-> quackgyver: I don't know, the code just says "unspecified error" which generally means only internal Intel engineers could find out
[10:31] <TJ-> quackgyver: but I suspect, since Windows isn't affected, there's a config/OS workaround, which suggests an ACPI related option might do it
[10:32] <quackgyver> Alright. Anything specific we can do?
[10:32] <rcm888> I need some hellp building packs
[10:34] <quackgyver> TJ-: https://peshmerge.io/ubuntu-installation-stuck-on-preparing-to-install-ubuntu-screen/
[10:34] <quackgyver> This sounds related
[10:35] <joakim> Hi, new to you new add ipcontroller for ubuntu................ but how do i setup multiply ip-address in netplan? i have the following addr 2001:51d0:2:8c7d::/64 18.165.195.125/24 37.74.225.96/28(should be as/32 I've tryed added them to addresses: [ip, ip, ip] but ain't working in bionic
[10:36] <TJ-> quackgyver: yes, but "acpi=off" is not the correct or best solution
[10:36] <TJ-> quackgyver: get to a terminal, then do "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows" and pastebin the list it reports
[10:37] <quackgyver> TJ-: Command line in Live CD or grep?
[10:39] <ericrajuin> rcm888: you can use checkinstall --install=no, it will build a .deb package , but not install it .
[10:40] <rcm888> ericrajuin: from source or compiled files?
[10:40] <ericrajuin> rcm888, after running make
[10:42] <quackgyver> TJ-: I tried with apci=off and apci_osi=off and both cause ubuntu to freeze during installer load
[10:42] <rcm888> ericrajuin: but it does not detect deps
[10:42] <rcm888> ericrajuin: required [] is missing
[10:43] <quackgyver> TJ-: Sorry, I meant apci_osi=off*
[10:43] <quackgyver> apci=off causes the touchpad to stop working and the wizard to glitch out
[10:44] <xandroff> Hey community, I've been struggling with x.org crashes ever since I upgraded to 1060. Running Ubuntu Mate 16.04, Kernel 4.16.03, NVIDIA drivers 396.24. Have tried different combos of kernel and drivers to, didn't matter. I can game for hours but my pc might hang after opening a facebook tab.
[10:44] <xandroff> Would appreciate any ideas.
[10:45] <ericrajuin> rcm888: sry, I don't know how to make it detect dependencies.
[10:46] <TJ-> quackgyver: command line in a terminal
[10:46] <quackgyver> TJ-: alright
[10:47] <TJ-> quackgyver: command line in Live
[10:47] <quackgyver> Gotcha.
[10:48] <TJ-> quackgyver: slightly distracted here, on phone
[10:48] <donofrio> tried apt-get update just now and it failed with https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kPhRT6CJ8s/ ?
[10:49] <quackgyver> TJ-: No problem. I have another meeting coming up in 10 mins
[10:49] <rcm888> ericrajuin: have you ever built any packs with it?
[10:49] <quackgyver> but I'll try your thing asap
[10:51] <rcm888> ericrajuin: I just have built xrdp and xorgxrdp packs. I will need to test install em on fresh system
[10:51] <quackgyver> TJ-: Can't run the Live CD now. Kernel panic.
[10:51] <ericrajuin> rcm888: yea a few. I usually just sudo checkinstall. it makes the deb and installs it .
[10:51] <quackgyver> Exitcode 0x00007f00
[10:51] <quackgyver> Is all hope lost? :7
[10:51] <quackgyver> :/*
[10:54] <TJ-> quackgyver: try from a cold boot (all power off for a few seconds)
[10:59] <quackgyver> TJ-: Aight that's better
[11:01] <quackgyver> Huh. Now terminal orks again
[11:01] <quackgyver> works*
[11:01] <quackgyver> folder icons are still messed up
[11:02] <quackgyver> This is bonkers.
[11:02] <quackgyver> Anyway, running your command now. One sec.
[11:02] <TJ-> this'll give us an optimal acpi_osi= value
[11:03] <quackgyver> TJ-: It returns "strings: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libbfd-2.30-system.so: cannot read file data: Input/output error"
[11:04] <TJ-> quackgyver: ouch! that's going to be caused by the MCE hardware problem I'm betting
[11:04] <TJ-> quackgyver: I wonder if we can guess!
[11:04] <quackgyver> Hm. Alright.
[11:04] <quackgyver> Well sure.
[11:05] <TJ-> quackgyver: fixing things with acpi_osi= is a common operation, so common I wrote an article on it, which you should read.  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[11:06] <quackgyver> Aha.
[11:06] <quackgyver> That's cool.
[11:06] <TJ-> quackgyver: generally what you need is something like "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX" where XXXX is a year, e.g. 2015, 2016 ... but these values *must* exist in the DSDT, which is why we need to use 'strings' and 'grep' to search for what that actual PC recognises
[11:06] <quackgyver> The article looks like it's way beyond my comprehension though
[11:06] <quackgyver> oh
[11:06] <quackgyver> I see!
[11:07] <TJ-> quackgyver: it's surprisingly readable, and shows the commands required and exact form of the required boot options for it to take effect
[11:07] <TJ-> quackgyver: but we could could 'guess' the XXXX and hope :)
[11:08] <TJ-> quackgyver: so for example, at the LiveCD boot menu, editing the kernel command line you might add (including the double-quotes exactly as I show here): acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[11:08] <quackgyver> I don't doubt that it's well writen. It just overwhelms me when it gets to this level of complexity
[11:08] <quackgyver> and I have a 100% track record of breaking my computers beyond repair when attempting to follow instructions on that level
[11:08] <TJ-> quackgyver: the acpi_osi=! is required to go first, that cancels all Linux inbuilt OSI strings, then only passes our preferred OSI value
[11:09] <quackgyver> Also alright
[11:09] <quackgyver> so should i boot the installer with those commands?
[11:09] <TJ-> quackgyver: I'll have to leave soon so I'm trying to give you all the info you need to experiment on your own :)
[11:10] <quackgyver> Alright!
[11:10] <TJ-> quackgyver: try 2015 but also try 2013 2016 etc. After each boot, especially if you don't see the MCE, try the 'strings' commands to get the actual "Windows XXXX" values that PC recognises, and choose the most recent XXXX as your preferred
[11:12] <quackgyver> Alright, gotcha. Thanks a lot.
[11:13] <quackgyver> Just to be clear tho, do I put this in the command in the boot menu?
[11:13] <TJ-> this setting - yes, added to the kernel command line before the "--" e.g. linux .... acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" -- ..."
[11:14] <quackgyver> You mean ---?
[11:14] <TJ-> is it 3? I always thought it was only 2 !?
[11:14] <quackgyver> I think so :P
[11:14] <quackgyver> Yep! It's 3 haha
[11:15] <quackgyver> Anyway, I'll try this
[11:15] <quackgyver> I gotta leave for a meeting too
[11:15] <quackgyver> Really appreciate the help so far.
[11:15] <TJ-> that "--" (or "---") is simply done so the options *before* it are used *NOW* for the booting kernel for the installer, but options *after* it are added to the *installed* kernel command line config
[11:15] <quackgyver> I'll let you know how it works out!
[11:15] <quackgyver> Ahh okay
[11:16] <TJ-> you can use my article to show how to apply the setting to an installed system, if you get it to work and install
[11:16] <quackgyver> Alright
[11:16] <quackgyver> Thanks again for taking all this time to help. I very much appreciate it.
[11:17] <TJ-> quackgyver: you know this channel is logged? so you can always review our conversation later if you forget anything
[11:18] <quackgyver> Ah alright, great.
[11:18] <TJ-> quackgyver: you can find it here https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/05/30/%23ubuntu.txt
[11:18] <quackgyver> Gotcha. Thanks a lot.
[11:18] <quackgyver> Hopefully this'll work.
[11:20] <aptdontwork> TJ-: Would you take a look at https://pastebin.com/RC1ffWgy and tell me if you see something wrong. I don't see any clues.
[11:20] <TJ-> quackgyver: it'll be a great discovery if it does
[11:20] <quackgyver> TJ-: Yeah. I'll let you know!
[11:20] <TJ-> aptdontwork: the linke reports as expired
[11:20] <quackgyver> I'll spend some time attempting your suggestions. :)
[11:20] <JimBuntu> quackgyver, logs -> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/05/30/%23ubuntu.html
[11:21] <quackgyver> Thanks. :)
[11:21] <JimBuntu> yw
[11:22] <aptdontwork> TJ-: Sorry, here you go: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HyCQRXNZMh/
[11:23] <aptdontwork> TJ-: I can curl the same file (https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/dists/bionic/InRelease) on the same system without trouble. Could there be some kind of problem with SNI support in apt-transport-https?
[11:24] <TJ-> aptdontwork: what proxy are you connecting via?
[11:25] <TJ-> aptdontwork: squid-deb-proxy by any chance?
[11:27] <TJ-> aptdontwork: I've been caught out be s-d-p before; have to add the hostname to a file in /etc/squid-deb-proxy/mirror-dstdomain.acl.d/ on the server side
[11:28] <aptdontwork> TJ-: No, it's palo alto networks hardware but i don't know about all the details.
[11:29] <TJ-> aptdontwork: I doubt it's TLS related since you're getting a Connection Failed message, so TLS doesn't start
[11:32] <TJ-> right, must go
[11:44] <zetheroo> I can wget a domain on one system instantly, but on another it times out always - both systems are Ubuntu 16.04 - the one that works in Server edition, while the one which doesn't work is Desktop edition. How to troubleshoot this?
[11:51] <marcel__> hello, i upgraded yesterday to 18.04 LTS...now i seems like i have no more DNS working after connecting to our company openvpn. Is this a known issue?
[11:54] <BluesKaj> marcel__, maybe network-manager-openvpn needs installing, unless of course you don't use it at all
[11:56] <rcm888> What is general sense of jigdo file?
[11:59] <lenny> i installed ubuntu from live usb but somehow I missing BIOS boot partition (1MB) ... so every time I boot I must have usb live inserted. How can I create BIOS boot partition? I am new to ubuntu. I tried boot repair but got msg: GPT detected. Please create a BIOS-Boot partition (>1MB, unformatted filesystem, bios_grub flag). This can be performed via tools such as Gparted. Then try again.
[11:59] <lenny> Alternatively, you can retry after activating the [Separate /boot/efi partition:] option.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> marcel__, your company DNS settings shouldn't be missing due to an OS upgrade if you're trying to connect through it's network
[12:04] <lenny> if this shows more info ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DdBzQqFbPf/
[12:12] <EriC^^> lenny: can you pastebin 'sudo parted -ls' ?
[12:14] <lenny> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nNfjf9YjPn/
[12:17] <EriC^^> lenny: i guess you could put the bios boot in the first sectors, before the first partition at 1000kb
[12:18] <lenny> EriC^^, is possible to do it now?
[12:18] <EriC^^> lenny: i'm not sure whether this can cause any issues though maybe wait for someone to confirm, or you could always delete the swap partition make it 1mb less and recreate it and use the 1mb for the bios boot
[12:18] <EriC^^> yes
[12:21] <lenny> EriC^^, thanks for the other day. you helped me with something and worked perfect. I can't remember what was it... thanks
[12:21] <lenny> when i start boot repair program disappear from launcher. what is happening and why?
[12:22] <EriC^^> sure np
[12:22] <EriC^^> the issue i'm wondering about is the alignment, i think it wont affect anything else, you could always delete it later if it does
[12:23] <rcm888> Does anyone have an IDEA how to setup external TRANSPARENT repository CACHE SERVER?
[12:23] <EriC^^> i think the partitions have to be at some multiple number so the alignment is right, but having that bios boot there won't affect their alignment
[12:26] <lenny> EriC^^, u mean like there is approx. 1MB before any partition starts?
[12:27] <EriC^^> lenny: yeah, the partitions are all at 1mb multiples
[12:28] <EriC^^> pretty sure it wont do any harm if the bios boot is at 0mb and the rest are still in place, you can always delete it later if it somehow turns out to be harmful
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[12:44] <lenny> program keep disappearing from launcher, how can i fix it and start it to use it?
[12:44] <EriC^^> lenny: try pinning it to the launcher, right click lock to launcher
[12:46] <lenny> EriC^^, is keep closing anyway
[12:46] <EriC^^> lenny: it might be segfaulting, try to run it from a terminal and see if it leaves an error
[12:47] <nxt> Hello
[12:48] <lenny> EriC^^, is boot repair ... i don't know what is the name when i want it run in terminal. does not recognise bootrepair or boot
[12:48] <nxt> Can someone help me with a Python related issue ? I try to install the eight module using the command "pip install eight" and I get the following error : Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement eight (from versions: ) No matching distribution found for eight
[12:49] <EriC^^> lenny: how did you install bootrepair?
[12:49] <lenny> EriC^^, sudo apt-get i guess ...
[12:50] <EriC^^> lenny: sudo apt-get install bootrepair?
[12:50] <lenny> EriC^^, should i reinstall it?
[12:50] <EriC^^> no
[12:50] <horus125> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair I believe you run it as boot-repair
[12:51] <lenny> EriC^^, added repository and install as apt-get
[12:51] <lenny> horus125, yes
[12:52] <zetheroo> I can wget a domain on one system instantly, but on another it times out always - both systems are Ubuntu 16.04 - the one that works in Server edition, while the one which doesn't work is Desktop edition. How to troubleshoot this?
[12:54] <horus125> I've got a problem with that program myself, my grub2 seems to get messed up every time l boot windows and I have to boot-repair all over again, anyone experiencing this?
[12:54] <EriC^^> lenny: try "boot-repair" as suggested, in the future if you need the binary names "dpkg -L <package name> | grep bin" helps
[12:55] <EriC^^> horus125: that can happen yeah
[12:56] <EriC^^> horus125: you could try working through the UEFI implementation itself if it gives any options (sometimes you have to set an admin password to get extra features Acer does that) or you could trick the BIOS by switching the efi files so it thinks it's always booting windows when it's actually booting ubuntu's efi
[12:57] <EriC^^> what kind of laptop/pc is it?
[12:58] <lenny> EriC^^, horus125 boot-repair is running, try to close it first. I don't see it in system monitor or anywhere.
[12:59] <horus125> EriC^^: it's a custom-made PC, AsRock, i5, GTX 660, Dualboot Ubuntu 18 and win7
[12:59] <EriC^^> lenny: try 'pkill boot-repair'
[12:59] <donofrio> Anyone have a workaround for my apt-get issue, after it falied I tried to remove the package but it won't because it failed?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kPhRT6CJ8s/
[13:00] <EriC^^> horus125: is it uefi?
[13:00] <horus125> Yes
[13:00] <EriC^^> i did not know win7 had uefi
[13:01] <EriC^^> horus125: is there anything in the bios about the uefi list or trusting an operating system etc
[13:01] <lenny> EriC^^, sudo pkill worked fine. thanks EriC^^ horus125
[13:02] <horus125> @EriC^^: I'll look for it in UEFI setup, thanks
[13:02] <EriC^^> donofrio: what about 'sudo apt-get remove ebtables' ?
[13:03] <EriC^^> horus125: np
[13:04] <EriC^^> donofrio: why are you running sync && sync ? i've heard people used to run sync twice in the old days, since it took about the same time to press alt+prntscrn+s  twice to sync
[13:06] <donofrio> sudo apt-get remove ebtables -y returned E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) = http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/df7DbFCzgC/
[13:06] <donofrio> EriC^^, oh and probably old not trusting is why I do two syncs
[13:08] <EriC^^> donofrio: try sudo dpkg -P --force-all ebtables
[13:12] <donofrio> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s9tYqKPp9r/ (facepalm made it expire never - how do I change that after submit pressed lol)
[13:13] <iseeku> hi there
[13:15] <mclaren> why do you seek me
[13:15] <lenny> i installed ubuntu from live usb but somehow I missing BIOS boot partition (1MB) ... so every time I boot I must have usb live inserted. How can I create BIOS boot partition? I am new to ubuntu. I tried boot repair but got msg: GPT detected. Please create a BIOS-Boot partition (>1MB, unformatted filesystem, bios_grub flag). This can be performed via tools such as Gparted. Then try again.
[13:16] <EriC^^> donofrio: hmm no idea, about the paste i think you'd have to talk to whoever runs the site
[13:16] <EriC^^> there's nothing sensitive in it anyways so why bother
[13:16] <iseeku> LOL
[13:17] <lenny> sudo parted -ls shows https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c3249MY7y2/
[13:17] <iseeku> help me install light weight DE than Lubuntu
[13:17] <donofrio> EriC^^, yah no big deal just a facepalm moment....how to heal my state?
[13:17] <EriC^^> lenny: create a 1mb in the first 1mb of the disk, but bare in mind in the future if you want to create a partition after it that you align it to 1mb boundaries
[13:18] <cfhowlett> iseeku, sudo apt install xfce4
[13:18] <EriC^^> donofrio: kind of odd, dunno what to do if dpkg --force-all won't it remove it, maybe hack your way into a solution ? remove all files manually, check dependencies, backup and edit dpkg's status file
[13:19] <EriC^^> just an idea
[13:19] <iseeku> cfhowlett: thanks, is qt heavy?
[13:19] <lenny> EriC^^, what does it mean align it to 1MB boundaries? like every partition have to be separated 1MB (not occupied space) ? what about your other suggestion take 1MB from swap?
[13:19] <cfhowlett> I don't believe QT is a desktop environment?
[13:20] <EriC^^> donofrio: maybe google the error, that always helps, let me try
[13:20] <iseeku> RasorQT
[13:22] <cfhowlett> razer-qt hasn't been updated in 5 years.  lxqt might be what you are thinking of
[13:22] <EriC^^> donofrio: seems to be a recent bug in ebtables
[13:22] <iseeku> yea u r right
[13:23] <EriC^^> donofrio: does this help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebtables/+bug/1774120
[13:24] <donofrio> EriC^^, yes that is me to a tee
[13:25] <EriC^^> lenny: no its not about the space between the partitions, it's about the partitions starting on a certain multiple (of a block) like 1mb, 4mb, not 1.5mb for instance
[13:25] <donofrio> I had this error yesteday so I should have bugged it themn I could have been first not six hours late lol
[13:26] <EriC^^> donofrio:  maybe try the 'hold' suggestion til they get it sorted out
[13:28] <donofrio> yah perhaps, looking at chmod now....mmhhahahahh
[13:28] <EriC^^> heh :D
[13:29] <lenny> EriC^^, i left it for system at install ... so u recommend to do bigger gap on the beginning of hdd?
[13:29] <EriC^^> lenny: no the gap is already there, i'm suggesting to use it for the bios boot
[13:30] <EriC^^> lenny: gparted might not show it, use gdisk and press 'n' to make a new partition, and select sector 34 as the start and 2047 as the end
[13:37] <lenny> EriC^^, gdisk is command line tool isn't it? gdisk will prompt me to press enter to exit
[13:44] <lenny> EriC^^, gparted shows 1MB unallocated space
[13:48] <EriC^^> lenny: aha, use it
[13:48] <EriC^^> lenny: set the type to bios-boot
[13:50] <EriC^^> lenny: after you're done run 'sudo partprobe && sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda && sudo update-grub" and you should be good
[13:51] <lenny> EriC^^, select unallocated space and with right click NEW (insert) ... ?
[13:52] <donofrio> EriC^^, looks like the "UDev workaround" from https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/1761#issuecomment-392578042 works great.....updates working again and not held anything back
[13:52] <EriC^^> lenny: yeah
[13:52] <lenny> EriC^^, and where i should set type to bios-boot?
[13:52] <EriC^^> donofrio: cool thanks for sharing
[13:53] <donofrio> EriC^^, thank you for the exact issue....and for helping even if I'm a WSL user ;)
[13:53] <EriC^^> donofrio: no problem :D
[13:54] <lenny> EriC^^, create as primary partition? filesystem unformatted?
[13:54] <EriC^^> lenny: yes and yes
[13:54] <lenny> EriC^^, partition name should be bios-boot?
[13:55] <EriC^^> lenny: sure why not
[13:55] <EriC^^> most important part is the type really
[13:56] <wefour> anybody knows why stellarium doesn't run on lubuntu?
[13:57] <EriC^^> wefour: is it giving any errors if you run it from the terminal?
[13:58] <lenny> EriC^^, type as unformatted?
[13:58] <EriC^^> lenny: yeah partition filesystem unformatted
[13:58] <wefour> we have not tried that, but it says something about insufficient opengl.
[14:00] <EriC^^> wefour: are the graphics drivers installed?
[14:00] <EriC^^> what's "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" list?
[14:01] <lenny> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WZNN6kfGPH/
[14:01] <wefour> Oops... This is the error we get: "Insufficient OpenGL version. Please update drivers, or graphics hardware"
[14:01] <EriC^^> lenny: type "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda"
[14:02] <EriC^^> wefour: ah, what about the command above?
[14:02] <wefour> As for the graphics driver, whatever came with system.
[14:02] <lenny> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gy6h7qmCM9/
[14:03] <EriC^^> lenny: hmm it didn't take, try "sudo cgdisk /dev/sda"
[14:03] <EriC^^> lenny: on the free space at the start press new, create the partition, if it asks for type choose "ef02"
[14:04] <lenny> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2ssqFrJj5y/
[14:04] <EriC^^> lenny: read above
[14:05] <mIk3_08> hey Drone
[14:05] <Kon-> Hi, I changed to a different pair of headphones using the same 3.5mm jack, but the new pair does not work at all. Sound returns if I switch back to the old pair of headphones
[14:05] <lenny> EriC^^, it stopped on: First sector (34-2047, default = 34) :  (and waiting for my prompt
[14:05] <Kon-> Why is the system confused by the second pair of headphones?
[14:06] <lenny> EriC^^, is there where i should write ef02 ?
[14:08] <EriC^^> lenny: no press enter
[14:09] <lenny> EriC^^, Size in sectors or {KMGTP} (default = 2014) :
[14:10] <Younder> lenny: why are you writing escape codes directly to the terminal? You have nCurses for that.
[14:12] <lenny> Younder, escape codes directly? I just copied what it shows.
[14:16] <lenny> EriC^^, I pressed ENTER and it shows: Current type is 8300 (Linux filesystem) Hex code or GUID (L to show codes, Enter = 8300):
[14:25] <lenny> EriC^^, i assume i should hit enter again ...
[14:26] <arooni> 1) how to restart only the graphical part of 18.04?  2) my touchpad doesnt seem to be working on 18.04 (lenovo t420)
[14:29] <EriC^^> lenny: sorry was away, yes for type write "ef02"
[14:29] <EriC^^> if you pressed enter no worries, you can change it afterwards
[14:34] <lenny> EriC^^, np, type is where are those codes yes? ef02 ... what next?
[14:35] <EriC^^> lenny: write the new table and exit
[14:35] <lenny> EriC^^, :))) english please ... :)))
[14:35] <lenny> EriC^^, you mean type what u told me earlier?
[14:36] <EriC^^> lenny: no
[14:36] <lenny> EriC^^, i meant: sudo partprobe && sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda && sudo update-grub
[14:37] <EriC^^> lenny: did you write the partition table and exit?
[14:37] <EriC^^> there's a button that says "Write" ...
[14:37] <Langley> Hello, is there no way to enlarge the mouse cursor in Ubuntu Gnome 16.04?
[14:37] <lenny> EriC^^, i haven't exited yet.   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VrwNgZXnxM/
[14:39] <EriC^^> lenny: ...
[14:39] <EriC^^> press write! :D
[14:39] <lenny> EriC^^, go to WRITE and write it on disk ...
[14:41] <EriC^^> yes?
[14:41] <lenny> reboot
[14:41] <lenny> will see in a min. ...
[14:41] <EriC^^> i'm not sure what to say anymore
[14:41] <EriC^^> no i didnt say reboot
[14:42] <lenny> EriC^^,  the kernel may be using the old partition table. reboot to use the new partition table!
[14:42] <EriC^^> lenny: type 'sudo partprobe'
[14:42] <lenny> EriC^^, ok, but we finished there? can i quit it now?
[14:43] <EriC^^> lenny: yes
[14:43] <Younder> I've never changed a partion table after installation. I'd rather reinstall. But yes I know it is possible.
[14:44] <raryel> Hi
[14:44] <EriC^^> hey raryel
[14:46] <lenny> EriC^^, i messed up not long ago playing with diskpart and accidently i didn't select partition I wanted and i wiped whole disk ... i recovered but i just want to be more careful when working with partitions and boot ...
[14:47] <EriC^^> lenny: yeah but when someone says press write it shouldn't take 4-5 confirmations and stuff, it's a little too careful
[14:51] <EriC^^> lenny: did you write and exit yet?
[14:51] <lenny> EriC^^,  sorry I'm not that familiar with ... so sudo partprobe and that's it? what about the other part you advised me? sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda && sudo update-grub
[14:51] <EriC^^> lenny: yes, if partprobe worked right, sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda should list the partition with ef02 as the type now, give it a look
[14:52] <lenny> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rtB5cGwCPx/
[14:52] <lenny> EriC^^, looks right as u said
[14:53] <lenny> EriC^^, now sudo grub-install ?
[14:54] <EriC^^> lenny: looks good, yes, before that, try "dpkg -l | grep grub" and pastebin the output
[14:55] <u0_a993> test
[14:55] <u0_a993> hello gan.....
[14:55] <lenny> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rv9nDqqZN4/
[14:56] <EriC^^> lenny: ah, grub-efi is installed, i suspect boot-repair messed up
[14:56] <EriC^^> lenny: try 'grep efi /etc/fstab'
[14:57] <EriC^^> lenny: are you running windows on this hdd?
[15:00] <lenny> EriC^^, laptop came with windows 8 preinstalled with secure boot enabled. when i try to install ubuntu it forbid me from access boot order or bios. i replaced with new hdd and try boot ubuntu from usb and install it from the key ...
[15:01] <lenny> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F3xqJCwP4x/
[15:01] <EriC^^> lenny: so that microsoft partition is just a data partition right now?
[15:01] <lenny> EriC^^, i don't want to install win8 back again but i would like to access bios in future hopefully
[15:02] <lenny> EriC^^, yes , data
[15:02] <EriC^^> ok
[15:02] <lenny> EriC^^, is nothing there ...
[15:03] <EriC^^> lenny: ubuntu is installed in uefi mode, you want to convert it to legacy mode?
[15:06] <lenny> EriC^^, what is the difference? does legacy support 8GB RAM or i mixed up with something else?
[15:07] <EriC^^> lenny: yeah it does, it's just a different booting mechanism
[15:07] <lenny> EriC^^, but i cannot access bios
[15:08] <EriC^^> uefi is newer and slightly faster, and for some gpu's it has some effects
[15:08] <EriC^^> lenny: why not?
[15:09] <EriC^^> lenny: if you had another OS running on another hdd it would need to share the same mode with ubuntu
[15:09] <EriC^^> (if it's on the same pc)
[15:09] <spaces> he guys, do the Debian people have difficulties or so ? no fun at all at their side
[15:09] <lenny> EriC^^, since i install ubuntu first time it forbids me to access BOOT order or BIOS. is issue with Lenovo Z580. no matter what i do. what key press or combination of keys, discharge completely, remove cmos battery, ...
[15:10] <lelloilpisello> irc ubuntu italy?
[15:10] <leftyfb> spaces: please bring that conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[15:10] <leftyfb> !it | lelloilpisello
[15:10] <EriC^^> !it | lelloilpisello
[15:11] <EriC^^> lenny: that's odd, pressing F8->F12 usually brings it up
[15:11] <lelloilpisello> porco dio
[15:11] <lelloilpisello> porco dio
[15:11] <EriC^^> lenny: what mode is it booted in right now? try "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[15:11] <lenny> EriC^^, i could not run ubuntu anyway because it allow only win8 to start ... trust me, i tried EVERYTHING ...
[15:11] <lelloilpisello> dio cane
[15:11] <lelloilpisello> dio cane
[15:11] <lelloilpisello> dio cane
[15:12] <EriC^^> lenny: yes some UEFI can be difficult, there are solutions for that though
[15:12] <rcm888> Why apt is single threaded???
[15:12] <Paweded> what is this page? https://tinyurl.com/ya79dnx5
[15:12] <lenny> EriC^^, this laptop got NOVO button which will give u 4 options: start normal/recovery/bios/boot ... no matter what i press there is only one screen would flash with ... win8 ... no recovery, no boot order, no bios
[15:13] <spaces> leftyfb oh sorry :)
[15:13] <EriC^^> lenny: there must be some way, did you try Del button?
[15:14] <lenny> since i install ubuntu along with win8 ... it is like violation to use different os on laptop strictly came with win8 will forbids anything else
[15:14] <Pici> rcm888: because packages must be installed sequentially
[15:14] <EriC^^> lenny: this might be helpful about the bios https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-P-Y-and-Z-series/Z580-Bios-key/td-p/974459
[15:15] <lenny> EriC^^, i tried every single button and all kinds of combination of buttons, try to discharge battery, remove battery and plug cord, start and hard off few times to try to force HW to reset and allows it to access bios like in emergency ...
[15:15] <EriC^^> lenny: aha, i have to go for a while, i'll be back if you want to continue or someone else can continue, if you want to use legacy you have to edit fstab and install the grub-pc package
[15:18] <lenny> EriC^^  is possible to do it without accessing bios than we can discuss options. if u can explain me what is main difference or what would be benefit of it. I want to thank you for your help
[15:34] <hello> channel irc italy ubuntu?
[15:35] <hello> channel irc italy ubuntu?
[15:35] <leftyfb> !it | hello
[15:36] <hello> ok raga dio cane
[15:36] <hello> ero io lello il pisello
[15:38] <hello> quanto costa ubuntu?
[15:39] <mclaren> what
[15:39] <SimonNL> free hello
[15:39] <leftyfb> hello: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[15:39] <hello> io non parlo inglese
[15:40] <SimonNL> gratis
[15:41] <mclaren> leftyfb: are you italian?
[15:41] <hello> yes
[15:41] <leftyfb> hello: Non parliamo italiano. Per favore vai a # ubuntu-it.
[15:41] <leftyfb> mclaren: no
[15:41] <hello> non parlo inglese
[15:41] <leftyfb> hello: Non parliamo italiano. Per favore vai a # ubuntu-it.
[15:43] <mclaren> hello: Per favore vai a #ubuntu-it per rispondere alle tue domande. ("/join #ubuntu-it"  senza virgolette)
[15:49] <nompo> I frequently get popups warning me that '/' is running out of free space. Where does that disk space monitor get its data from? It looks as if I get spammed with false information. What could be the reason for that?
[15:50] <caca> hola
[16:05] <EriC^^> nompo: what does 'df -h' show?
[16:06] <Prospero_1> I want to say human readable metrics for free filesystem space
[16:07] <nacc> Prospero_1: cute, but not helpful.
[16:08] <Whiskey> How can i find where a package is installed
[16:08] <Whiskey> what path it has?
[16:08] <EriC^^> Whiskey: dpkg -L <package>
[16:08] <Prospero_1> Really, I free space listed as Megabytes or Gigabytes with df -h... no?
[16:09] <nacc> Prospero_1: that wasn't the question. EriC^^ wanted the actual output from that user.
[16:09] <rfleming> Prospero_1: it's listed as human readable
[16:09] <rfleming> I believe it's also listed in Mebibytes and Gibibytes
[16:09] <Prospero_1> I see. Just glanced over and saw the question. My bad
[16:10] <Prospero_1> I'll go back to lurking :')
[16:10] <chealy> v
[16:11] <nompo> EriC^^: Dude, that's not what I asked for. This software is harrassing me and spamming false information. Where do these values come from and how may I stop it from doing so?
[16:12] <EriC^^> nompo: yeah, so why ask for help if you know how to go about solving stuff
[16:12] <Whiskey> ooo
[16:12] <Whiskey> perfect, thanks !
[16:13] <nompo> No comment.
[16:16] <u0_a993> exit
[16:16] <rfleming> nompo: system monitor gets its values by polling the kernel (and its modules)
[16:16] <rfleming> nompo: if your system reports space issues, then you have space issues
[16:16] <nompo> rfleming: I don't.
[16:17] <rfleming> nompo: then you have a threshold that is unreasonable
[16:17] <rfleming> is this GNOME?
[16:17] <nompo> It's Gnome, yes.
[16:18] <nompo> The latest Ubuntu
[16:18] <nompo> I upgraded from the previous version.
[16:18] <rfleming> the warning is based off of a percentage
[16:19] <nompo> It displays varying values of disk space left.
[16:19] <rfleming> what does it say (%) for /
[16:19] <nompo> By varying I mean a variance of >500MB
[16:20] <nompo> one second.
[16:20] <nompo> 72%
[16:20] <nompo> Oh, that's the df -h value.
[16:20] <nompo> That popup only gives me absolute values.
[16:21] <rfleming> so df -h shows 76% used
[16:21] <nompo> yes, 72%
[16:21] <rfleming> sorry, my mistake
[16:21] <rfleming> and are there any other disks with higher numbers?
[16:22] <nompo> No.
[16:22] <rfleming> or is that your only disk
[16:22] <EriC^^> does system monitor check for inode consumption?
[16:22] <rfleming> and it's GNOME system monitor that's telling you that you're low on space on /?
[16:22] <nompo> I honestly don't know what it is. I could make a screenie, if that helps.
[16:23] <rfleming> sure
[16:23] <nompo> We'll have to wait until it reappears. Might take five or ten minutes. Sorry for the delay.
[16:24] <blackflow> I bet /run is getting clogged
[16:24] <rfleming> nompo: no big.
[16:24] <rfleming> :)
[16:25] <Guest22628> df -h | pastebinit
[16:25] <Guest22628> wha
[16:25] <nompo> rfleming: Here it is: https://imgur.com/a/rbrjwj3
[16:26] <nacc> nompo: ok, and the `df -h` output?
[16:27] <nompo> blackflow: Here's 'df -h': http://paste.debian.net/1027292/
[16:27] <rcm888> Pici: why is that?
[16:28] <rcm888> Pici: what for my 32threaded cpu?
[16:28] <blackflow> nompo: your home is at 95%
[16:28] <nompo> I know.
[16:29] <blackflow> and I have no idea of those snaps affect it too
[16:29] <rfleming> nompo: looks normal
[16:29] <rfleming> except for home
[16:29] <blackflow> a screeshot of the actual warning would be nice.
[16:29] <nompo> blackflow: I had posted one before.
[16:29] <rfleming> I'm guessing you're getting the 5% warning on ext4 file systems
[16:30] <blackflow> nompo: oh, right.
[16:30] <nompo> The warning is about '/' and not '/home' though.
[16:32] <rfleming> nompo: if you load up System Monitor, what does it say for space?
[16:32] <nompo> Here's 'df -T': http://paste.debian.net/1027293/
[16:33] <rfleming> nompo: which shows 99% on /
[16:33] <nompo> It's freaking me out.
[16:33] <rfleming> are you snapshotting xfs?
[16:34] <nompo> I honestly don't know. It's all default settings and values.
[16:34] <rfleming> nompo: can you paste xfs_db
[16:35] <rfleming> nompo: something like... xfs_db -c sb 0 -c print /dev/sda1
[16:36]  * rfleming is willing to bet xfs_check and xfs_repair is all that's needed
[16:37] <nompo> It's mounted. The command doesn't work.
[16:38] <rfleming> nompo: run xfs_check and see if you have a consistency issue
[16:39] <rfleming> do you have xfsprogs installed?
[16:39] <alumno_> pico
[16:39] <alumno_> concha
[16:40] <nompo> I have. But it seems I'll have to unmount the fs.
[16:40] <rfleming> nompo: OK... You'll want to run xfs_check and xfs_repair.  I'm willing to bet you have inconsistencies and that'll solve your issue...
[16:40] <rfleming> you'll probably have to boot into recovery mode
[16:40] <alumno_> tu hermna
[16:40] <alumno_> le rompo el orto a tu vieja
[16:40] <alumno_> puto
[16:41] <nompo> rfleming: Yes, thanks. I'll chack that later.
[16:41] <rfleming> well, that's not nice language from alumno
[16:43] <rfleming> nompo: nompo out of curiosity, what does `sudo xfs_estimate /` yield?
[16:44] <nompo> rfleming: roughly the same as df-h, contrastinmg
[16:44] <nompo> contrsating the df -T output.
[16:44] <rfleming> nompo: OK, that makes sense
[16:44] <rfleming> the -T output is the correct output, while the -s summary output is correct too
[16:45] <rfleming> the difference is the -T includes the xfs metadata, while the -s shows only your files
[16:45] <nompo> I see.
[16:45] <rfleming> nompo: so you are out of disk space on / and need to free up some stuff
[16:45] <rfleming> how to do that with XFS, I'm not too certain
[16:46] <rfleming> but I'm willing to believe that more space is allocated than is presently used
[16:46] <rfleming> and xfs_check should verify that
[16:46] <rfleming> if that's the problem, then xfs_repair should fix the issue
[16:47] <rfleming> nompo: the best place to look for XFS stuff would be the fedora people.  They use XFS as the default file system
[16:47] <rfleming> they should know more about the ins and outs
[16:48] <nompo> rfleming: See, the values that this Gnome monitor gives me, vary from "100 kB left on /" to "900 MB left on /"
[16:49] <rfleming> nompo: it's why I think your filesystem is inconsistent
[16:50] <rfleming> nompo: you should be able to run xfs_fsr while mounted
[16:50] <rfleming> that might help
[16:51] <rfleming> I also wonder if you can run `xfx_repair -n` (dry run) on a mounted system
[16:58] <rfleming> nompo: any luck?
[16:59] <nompo> Yes! df -T now shows the same value as df -h.
[16:59] <nompo> Thanks a lot.
[16:59] <nompo> xfs_fsr did the trick.
[17:00] <nompo> Well, df -T was the wrong value before.
[17:00] <nompo> So, now I'll wait for another error message coming up from Gnome monitor.
[17:10] <Kremator> guys, which is the "officially approved" tool in Linux to make the ubuntu bootable usb?
[17:11] <Kremator> is unetbootin still good to go?
[17:11] <Kremator> (i ask ebcause lately unetbootin have been giving problems with debian)
[17:12] <`whoami`> iirc ubuntu ships some kind of usb creator
[17:13] <`whoami`> and I always had some weird issues using unetbootin; I tend to avoid using it
[17:14] <nompo> rfleming: The warning is back, and 'df -T' shows 100% for '/'. I'll have to xfs_check the filesystem offline.
[17:15] <EriC^^> Kremator: the best tool if you dont mind the cli is probably 'dd'
[17:15] <nompo> I really dislike this tinkering with an operating system.
[17:15] <Kremator> `whoami`, same, but i tend to only use debian these days and for them is not recomended at all
[17:15] <`whoami`> EriC^^: It seems "cp" works just fine, too (fwiw)
[17:15] <EriC^^> right, that too
[17:16] <EriC^^> in avril lavigne's words 'why go and make things complicated'
[17:17] <EriC^^> haha
[17:17] <`whoami`> quoting avril lavigne, how unexpected :p
[17:17] <EriC^^> it fit the bill :D
[17:18] <mclaren> as shakespeare once said
[17:18] <mclaren> hello.
[17:19] <Kremator> EriC^^, ok gonna use dd ty
[17:21] <pankaj> I installed ubuntu-server. As I am using dual boot; I left network configuration to be done when system is installed but after browsing for much time (in my another computer) their were so many resources in how to configure network.
[17:21] <pankaj> I just want that wifi to be connected to my system . What should I do. Please help
[17:27] <nacc> pankaj: why do you keep mentioning dual boot?
[17:27] <nacc> pankaj: i don't see how it's relevant at all
[17:29] <EriC^^> Kremator: with dd it's a good idea to use "dd ..... bs=4M progress=status && sync" so it runs quicker and writes everything to the usb
[17:29] <EriC^^> (some older dd versions dont support progress=status though)
[17:31] <pankaj> nacc: But I have ubuntu installed on  my system.
[17:31] <nacc> pankaj: also please don't crosspost, you just asked this in #ubuntu-server and left a bit ago
[17:31] <pankaj> nacc: DO not worry, I got the answer from other community.
[17:32] <pankaj> nacc: Sorry for that.
[17:33] <pankaj> nacc: I saw many tutorials on how to manually configure network on ubuntu. But is their any standard procedure that works. I just want to use my wifi-connection. I have only terminal interface with no internet connectivity (as you know). So, please suggest any standard procedure for this.
[17:33] <phatcat_> heya, I'm having a frustrating problem - my touchpad freezes randomly and "modprobe -r psmouse" doesn't help. can someone help please?
[17:33] <phatcat_> 19:18 *I'm on a shit laptop, a 12-inch Thomson
[17:35] <nacc> pankaj: what version of ubuntu? if you have wifi, it seems like desktop might be a better choice (not required, but it is 'easier' to do wifi in the desktop env -- and I believe the server installer does not ship the wifi drivers)
[17:39] <ducasse> what about nmtui?
[17:41] <Raf> hi i have a problem for create a win live key , i think my iso is not good ,  0 octet , download on windows website
[17:42] <pankaj> nacc: Sorry for very late response. OK. So, it was unable to identify network or scan at installing time so I thought to do it manually later on. So, OK I understand it does not ship with wifi drivers but I am ready to do what can be done for it.
[17:42] <pankaj> nacc: I just want the procedure to follow.
[17:43] <EriC^^> pankaj: i suppose you need to use nmcli
[17:43] <EriC^^> start with 'sudo nmcli dev wifi'
[17:43] <pankaj> EriC^^: Is it already installed on it?
[17:43] <EriC^^> yes it should be
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> Raf: this is the ubuntu support channel
[17:44] <Raf> Have you a windows suport ?
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> Raf: ##windows
[17:44] <EriC^^> Raf: /join ##windows
[17:44] <pankaj> EriC^^: It is not installed on ubuntu server.
[17:44] <Raf> yes i found thanks
[17:45] <EriC^^> pankaj: install it with sudo apt-get install nmcli
[17:45] <pankaj> EriC^^: Actually, I am using version number 14. So, it is very late
[17:45] <EriC^^> 1 sec
[17:45] <nacc> ducasse: i mean, running network manager on a server seems rather counterintuitive
[17:45] <pankaj> EriC^^: That is the point : I cannot browse.
[17:45] <EriC^^> pankaj: it's part of the network-manager package
[17:45] <EriC^^> pankaj: does the pc see the wifi?
[17:45] <nacc> pankaj: several things; 1) why are you on 14.04? 2) why are you install ubuntu server and not ubuntu desktop?
[17:46] <ducasse> nacc: i agree, i was just thinking it was the easiest non-gui way
[17:46] <EriC^^> pankaj: try 'iwlist scan'
[17:46] <nacc> EriC^^: they have no internet connectivity period right now
[17:46] <nacc> ducasse: yeah, i suppose that's true :)
[17:47] <pankaj> EriC^^: I edited /etc/network/interfaces or I also used 'iwconfig wlan essid ESSID key KEY' but it said that I have to provide it in hexadecimal form (the key).
[17:48] <pankaj> EriC^^: OK. I am going to restart the system.
[17:49] <phatcat_> heya, I'm having a frustrating problem - my touchpad freezes randomly and "modprobe -r psmouse" doesn't help. can someone help please?
[17:49] <phatcat_> 19:33 19:18 *I'm on a shit laptop, a 12-inch Thomson
[17:50] <nacc> phatcat_: anything in dmesg when it happens?
[17:51] <phatcat_> nacc: how do I scroll up in a terminal with just the keyboad
[17:52] <EriC^^> phatcat_: shift+pageup
[17:53] <phatcat_> EriC^^: thanks
[17:53] <phatcat_> nacc: no, nothing in dmesg
[17:54] <Jordan_U> phatcat_: You can also pipe commands to a pager like less, for example "dmesg | less" then use arrow keys to scroll (type a capital 'G' to go to the end of the output). dmesg also has a nice "--human" feature that gives human readable times, color, and automatically outputs to a pager.
[17:55] <phatcat_> thanks Jordan_U
[17:56] <phatcat_> there's rfkill: input handler disabled
[17:56] <phatcat_> does it have anything to do with the touchpad?
[17:56] <MortezaE> I have problems with brightness control on my laptop in 18.04 . It react too late when it change brightness and in most cases it don't increase/decreased or changes more than one level. Sometimes reacts with 10-20 seconds delay. In best situation It may work correctly only if I change it step by step i.e. one level every 5 seconds!
[17:56] <EriC^^> phatcat_: does the touchpad have  a disable button?
[17:57] <MortezaE> It react too late when s/it/I change
[17:57] <EriC^^> MortezaE: did you try any acpi_osi tricks yet?
[17:57] <MortezaE> EriC^^, No
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> MortezaE: and wich graphics driver are you on, xorg or wayland?
[17:58] <phatcat_> EriC^^:  no, it doesn't
[17:58] <MortezaE> lotuspsychje, It's default. Xorg?
[17:58] <EriC^^> MortezaE: ok, run "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep Windows"
[17:59] <EriC^^> phatcat_: oh ok, nevermind
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> MortezaE: ok good on wich graphics card, you can check with sudo lshw -C video
[18:00] <MortezaE> EriC^^, Windows 2001 \n Windows 2001 SP1 \n Windows 2001 SP2 \n Windows 2006 \n Windows 2009 \n Windows 2009
[18:00] <phatcat_> can someone pls explain why I am only able to boot Kali from USB
[18:00] <phatcat_> and any other linux distro doesn't work
[18:00] <EriC^^> phatcat_: ubuntu doesn't work?
[18:01] <EriC^^> MortezaE: type 'sudo nano /etc/default/grub' and add to the line that says ".. quiet splash" ".. quiet splash acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\""
[18:01] <Jordan_U> phatcat_: How are you preparing your Ubuntu 18.04 USB? What happens when you try to boot from it?
[18:02] <EriC^^> MortezaE: then save and exit and run sudo update-grub
[18:03] <MortezaE> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/g496Z9gNt3/
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> MortezaE: ok tnx, follow up EriC^^ advice
[18:04] <phatcat_> Jordan_U: it just doesn't see the USB in the bootlist
[18:05] <phatcat_> I followed the very same steps for both kali and ubuntu
[18:05] <tgm4883> phatcat_: what steps
[18:05] <Jordan_U> phatcat_: And those steps were?
[18:06] <MortezaE> lotuspsychje, OK thank you. EriC^^ OK I did. Reboot now?
[18:07] <EriC^^> MortezaE: yes
[18:08] <phatcat_> Jordan_U, tgm4883: format the usb stick in FAT, dd the iso to it and boot
[18:09] <Jordan_U> phatcat_: Formatting the USB stick beforehand should have no effect one way or the other. What is the exact dd command that you ran?
[18:09] <EriC^^> unrelated to your problem, but you dont need to format the usb then dd it, the iso has a partition table
[18:09] <EriC^^> phatcat_: ^
[18:10] <annihilator> besides gui is there any big difference between ubuntu and lubuntu?
[18:10] <phatcat_> Jordan_U: I'm on mac, so unmount first, then "dd if=distr.iso of=/dev/disk2 bs=1m"
[18:10] <EriC^^> annihilator: lubuntu is supposed to be more friendly to older hardware
[18:11] <Jordan_U> phatcat_: Please look at your bash history, "history | grep dd" to find the exact command you ran.
[18:11] <phatcat_> Jordan_U: that's the exact one
[18:11] <DJones> annihilator: Maybe less memory intensive, but other than that, I doubt it. You have the same app's available to install
[18:11] <Jordan_U> phatcat_: Why did you rename the iso "distr.iso"?
[18:11] <EriC^^> phatcat_: did you checksum the iso? after dd'ing the iso you should have a fat32 partition with an efi dir in there is that all there?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: are you hesitating to try lubuntu or ubuntu?
[18:12] <phatcat_> Jordan_U: for convenience sake, does it matter?
[18:12] <phatcat_> EriC^^: doing it again to check for it, but I remember it was giving me an error on mac
[18:13] <phatcat_> the stick
[18:13] <annihilator> i used it once and ubuntu gave a gui issue and lubuntu worked but then randomly shutdown (think i fixed that issue)
[18:13] <annihilator> but im willing to give it another chance on either one
[18:13] <annihilator> i play a few windows games but can possibly get them to work with lutris or wine so im willing to give either one a chance again
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | annihilator make a choice here
[18:14] <annihilator> i know the flavors
[18:14] <annihilator> lubuntu and ubuntu are the two i am debating on.
[18:14] <Jordan_U> phatcat_: Often getting the complete command also tells me exactly what iso, of the many possible Ubuntu isos, was downloed. Also, it makes life easier when you know that the person you're working with is giving exact commands and output rather than paraphrasing. What is the output of "sha256sum distr.iso"?
[18:14] <annihilator> but are they the exact same but different gui or is there more going on under the hood?
[18:15] <phatcat_> Jordan_U: I'm trying lubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso now
[18:15] <annihilator> extra software not included
[18:15] <moos01> phatcat
[18:15] <moos01> ?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> moos01: can we help you?
[18:15] <EriC^^> annihilator: i suspect it's the same as you could install ubuntu then install the lubuntu desktop package
[18:16] <moos01> i think so
[18:17] <annihilator> so after my windows backup im going to give it another shot thanks
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: another fast way of discovering is trying the live usb, see for yourself?
[18:17] <moos01> some one speak french
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> !fr | moos01
[18:17] <annihilator> the live usb works with both
[18:17] <annihilator> but i had issues with ubuntu
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: for helping you on that we need more details
[18:18] <annihilator> yea i know installed windows cause it ticked me off
[18:18] <annihilator> but it would just loop the login screen
[18:18] <moos01> who know more about apt
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> moos01: what about apt?
[18:19] <moos01> apt command
[18:19] <moos01> sudo
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> moos01: can you tell us what you are trying to do first?
[18:20] <DJones> moos01: You need to be a bit nore detailed, what command are you trying to run, what error do you get etc
[18:20] <moos01> i know for update and upgrade
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: wich ubuntu version did loop on you on wich graphics card?
[18:20] <annihilator> ubuntu
[18:20] <annihilator> gtx 1060
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: wich ubuntu version?
[18:21] <annihilator> Ubuntu (original)
[18:21] <annihilator> when i say ubuntu im refering to the direct download from ubuntu.com
[18:22] <DJones> !version | annihilator
[18:22] <annihilator> oh
[18:22] <DJones> annihilator: You need to run that command and post the information here
[18:22] <annihilator> how can i do that if i cant get past the login screen
[18:22] <annihilator> all i know is it was the latest iso from ubuntu.com
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: you cant recall wich version you downloaded?
[18:22] <m0use_> try crtl+alt+f2
[18:23] <annihilator> 18.04
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: ok tnx
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: did you try nomodeset on your card?
[18:24] <annihilator> no.
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | annihilator an option to try
[18:24] <annihilator> the other issue i had was at thel ogin screen it would lag
[18:26] <annihilator> nomodeset would that even apply since i am getting a proper visual
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: it could be yes
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: did you enable updates during setup?
[18:27] <annihilator> yes
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> ok good
[18:27] <annihilator> i am going to do a quick backup of my windows setup incase things go south again lol
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: also check ubuntu-drivers list
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: to see wich driver is active on your gtx, as optional try other drivers
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> annihilator: maybe you can bypass the login loop
[18:29] <annihilator> why cant it just copy the driver layout of what is loaded on the usb drive.  the usb drive works just fine
[18:29] <ceibal> hola
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> !es | ceibal
[18:30] <ceibal> hooooola
[18:30] <EriC^^> annihilator: in the usb running 'lshw -c video' should give the driver in use and such
[18:30] <EriC^^> maybe when you're running the update while installing it's updating some stuff and breaking
[18:30] <MortezaE> EriC^^, God bless your nerves, as you saved mine :)
[18:31] <ceibal> mmmmm
[18:31] <ceibal> hola
[18:31] <annihilator> i will try that and if anything install without updates and see if that works
[18:34] <EriC^^> annihilator: in case the gui fails you can always use the tty to get on here and troubleshoot stuff (ctrl+alt+f1) then login and install an irc client like irssi
[18:34] <annihilator> im using note 8 with dex
[18:34] <annihilator> lmao
[18:34] <phatcat> EriC^^: one more question, how do I troubleshoot probs with wlan0
[18:34] <phatcat> no networks shown in GUI
[18:35] <phatcat> ifconfig shows lo and wlan0
[18:38] <EriC^^> phatcat: what does 'iwlist scan' give?
[18:38] <phatcat> a bunch of wifi networks, cell 01, cell 02, etc.
[18:41] <matjam> phatcat: make sure there's no configuration for wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:41] <matjam> phatcat: otherwise network manager won't see it as a device it can manager
[18:41] <matjam> *manage
[18:42] <bratchley> anyone aware of any graphical tools for formatting a disk with LVM?
[18:42] <matjam> phatcat: "nmcli" should give you information about interfaces network manager knows about
[18:42] <phatcat> there's a bunch of folders like if-down.d and interfaces
[18:42] <matjam> bratchley: gparted can do it
[18:42] <bratchley> I'm trying to put together install instructions and I'm trying to avoid command line tools
[18:43] <bratchley> matjam: gparted appears to be able to format it as a PV but apparently it can't create the volume group or logical volumes
[18:43] <matjam> bratchley: you mean, partition with lvm of course.
[18:43] <phatcat> matjam: should I empty interfaces?
[18:43] <matjam> phatcat: mine just has lo defined, nothing else
[18:44] <phatcat> or the whole /network?
[18:44] <matjam> phatcat: if you want nm to manage an interface it can't me mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:44] <matjam> just that file
[18:44] <matjam> bratchley: that would surprise me
[18:45] <matjam> bratchley: let me look, sec, I need to make a block device to test with
[18:45] <bratchley> matjam: yeah gparted was the first thing I checked
[18:45] <bratchley> yeah np
[18:45] <bratchley> thanks
[18:47] <phatcat> matjam: so what do I do exactly? :)
[18:47] <matjam> phatcat: what is in the file right now? Can you put it on https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:51] <bratchley> I also tried GNOME disks (since this is on 18.04) but apparently it can't even do the LVM format for the PV. It can tell a partition is an LVM PV it just can't do anything with it
[18:52] <matjam> yeah right, so that surprises me, gparted can't do lvm heh
[18:53] <naquad> hi
[18:54] <naquad> is there any guide on how to create *custom* bootable usb image? i want to preinstall packages and kernel modules, but it doesn't seem i can do that with unetbootin
[18:54] <matjam> bratchley: so, looks like there just isn't a graphical tool for that
[18:54] <phatcat> matjam: since the wifi is down: https://i.imgur.com/B0g5uhx.jpg
[18:54] <phatcat> dont judge :P
[18:54] <bratchley> matjam: yeah that's the conclusion I'm reaching
[18:54] <bratchley> which sucks, but it is what it is
[18:54] <bratchley> thanks for looking into it though
[18:55] <matjam> phatcat, so just do sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces and remove the three lines that mention wlan0
[18:55] <matjam> phatcat: you will need to reboot
[18:55] <matjam> phatcat: if you want network manager to manage eth0 you should remove the iface eth0 inet dhcp too
[18:55] <matjam> phatcat: before you reboot
[18:56] <matjam> phatcat: run "nmcli" and show the output
[18:56] <matjam> bratchley: I did look around. Maybe for your use case, make a bash script that people can run that executes the lvm stuff the way you want it
[18:57] <matjam> bratchley: I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve but getting people to run a script from somewhere is easier than getting them to copy complex commands exactly
[19:00] <phatcat> matjam: nmcli (pre-reboot) says wlan0: unavailable, lo: unmanaged
[19:00] <matjam> right so make those changes and reboot and then you should be able to manage wlan0 in the gui
[19:01] <TJ-> phatcat: mabye the interface has a different name? "iwconfig" will report all wifi device interfaces
[19:04] <phatcat> yay, matjam, it worked! :) thanks so much
[19:07] <matjam> phatcat: no worries mate, glad its working for you
[19:08] <annihilator> is it wrong that the only reason i want to use ubuntu is because i dont feel like choosing which program i want to use to code with
[19:09]  * matjam shrugs
[19:09] <SporkWitch> annihilator: that statement doesn't really make sense; you have countless options, even on windows...
[19:11] <annihilator> i know which main linux programs i want
[19:12] <annihilator> but with windows im stuck between visual studio and WSL
[19:12] <annihilator> both of which limit compiling vs using linux which imo is better for programing both windows and linux programs
[19:13] <SporkWitch> annihilator: or vim, or eclipse, or sublimetext, or notepad++, or emacs
[19:13] <SporkWitch> annihilator: that said, it sounds like what you really mean is you use _linux_ because it makes life _easier_, which is generally true for most csaes
[19:13] <SporkWitch> *cases
[19:14] <annihilator> yea
[19:14] <annihilator> i know what two programs i want on linux
[19:14] <SporkWitch> i mostly work from vim, unless i'm forced to do java, in which case eclipse
[19:15]  * matjam shudders
[19:15] <matjam> ok you reached my threshold
[19:15] <matjam> you mentioned the j-word
[19:15] <matjam> get-oudda-here
[19:15] <matjam> to #ubuntu-offtopic with you both
[19:15] <SporkWitch> matjam: heh, it could be worse: VB.net ?
[19:16] <annihilator> for me i would use visual studio on microsoft because of an ocd i have of using software that is made by the company i use the os from
[19:16] <Younder> Visual Studio is quite good..
[19:17] <matjam> guys, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[19:17] <matjam> I'm monitoring this channel for support requests
[19:17] <matjam> and every time you talk about offtopic stuff it's making me look over here
[19:18] <matjam> thanks.
[19:18] <SporkWitch> so exercise self-control and realize that when there's no actual questions, discussion tends to drift
[19:25] <nacc> SporkWitch: that's not how this channel works, please stick to support topics
[19:25] <zerothis> how to I get GNU/Linux to type what I say (any in any aplication)
[19:26] <SporkWitch> nacc: it's how every channel works, and i was supporting him in making better software choices
[19:26] <matjam> zerothis: are you looking for a voice dictation system for Ubuntu?
[19:27] <SporkWitch> zerothis: could try "transcription" and "speech to text" as search strings in the package manager or google; don't know any tools off-hand
[19:27] <zerothis> specifically I want to talk to play interactive fiction
[19:28] <SporkWitch> zerothis: certainly doable, if the application takes keyboard text input, and the transcription app just translates to keyboard inputs...  i'd start with those search strings i suggested
[19:29] <nacc> SporkWitch: sorry, this channel has rules and policies. Ubuntu support topics only.
[19:30] <TJ-> zerothis: there's a good overview of the state of speech to text on Linux here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_software_for_Linux
[19:30] <SporkWitch> nacc: yup, offering various tools he can use on ubuntu to do what he needs
[19:30] <matjam> zerothis: I spent a little time looking around, there's nothing "out of the box" but theres a bunch of software you can install in Ubuntu that can do what you want, it will just be complex to set it up, and we'd probably not be able to help you with it - you'd have to chat with the people that maintain the packages.
[19:30] <TJ-> zerothis: short story is, there is no comprehensive 'decent' free software solution along the lines of Windows Dragon Naturally Speaking et al
[19:30] <matjam> zerothis: specifically http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2017/12/30/speech-recognition-mozillas-deepspeech-gstreamer-and-ibus/ seems helpful
[19:31] <SporkWitch> TJ-: pretty sure dragon is also on mac, so i wouldn't restrict that statement to windows.
[19:31] <zerothis> Well, I haven't used mac or windows since 2006 so those comparisons are meaningless
[19:32] <TJ-> Dragon NS has been around since the 1990s; I used to use it for some niche programming application
[19:34] <zerothis> thanks, the DeepSpeech Plugin looks like my best option
[19:39] <SporkWitch> zerothis: dragon got mentioned because it's _the_ speech to text program lol.  it is to speech to text what photoshop is to graphic design
[19:44] <toothe> Hi all. I just upgraded my Ubuntu desktop machine and now the computer locks up at this
[19:44] <toothe> Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes.
[19:44] <toothe> I Googled around and apparently this is a drivers issue. Is there a way to go back to the older drier?
[19:44] <CarlFK> how do I see what domain my local dhcp server gave my ubuntu box?
[19:45] <TJ-> toothe: You just said in ##linux that you're using Kali, not Ubuntu
[19:45] <CarlFK> I expected to see it in /etc/resolv.conf but thats just nameserver 127.0.1.1
[19:45] <TJ-> CarlFK: usually it's recorded in the lease files the dhcp client keeps
[19:45] <toothe> Right. But this is also an Ubuntu issue.
[19:45] <toothe> here, let me demonstrate.
[19:45] <CarlFK> TJ-: where's that?
[19:45] <toothe> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/252603/debian-jessie-boot-hangs-at-started-update-utmp-about-system-runlevel-changes
[19:46] <TJ-> CarlFK: is the system using Network Manager ? Is it 18.04 ?
[19:46] <leftyfb> toothe: that's still not Ubuntu. Come back when you're running Ubuntu
[19:46] <CarlFK> TJ-: yes, 16.04.4
[19:46] <leftyfb> !kali | toothe
[19:47] <toothe> okay, but this issue also affects Ubuntu.
[19:47] <leftyfb> toothe: if it does, we would need you running ubuntu to debug and provide you support.
[19:47] <leftyfb> toothe: Also, a bug report might also be in order.
[19:48] <SporkWitch> toothe: but you're not using ubuntu, you're MISUSING a TOOLBOX, and asking questions that indicate you really shouldn't be running kali.  Come back with Ubuntu, or at least some desktop-targeted derivative.  Kali may be ubuntu-based, but it changes things too drastically for useful overlap
[19:48] <leftyfb> toothe: regardless, you'll need to be running Ubuntu. Not Kali, not Debian or any other Debian or Ubuntu-based distro.
[19:48] <TJ-> CarlFK: this would list the lease files: " ls -latr /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclient* "
[19:49] <leftyfb> CarlFK: nmcli device show|grep Domain
[19:49] <CarlFK> TJ-: whoa.  I like that.. so much info
[19:49] <TJ-> CarlFK: yeah, it's the raw options sent by the server, even if ignored by the local system
[19:50] <CarlFK> TJ-: I have been looking for a tool to debug dhcp server options for .. years.
[19:50] <TJ-> CarlFK: :)
[19:54] <CarlFK> ok, so no domain in there.  only 1/2 surprised.  hmm.. the installer asks for a domain.  where does it store it?
[19:55] <TJ-> CarlFK: /etc/hostname and/or /etc/hosts maybe ?
[19:56] <TJ-> CarlFK: /etc/hostname can be host or FQDN
[19:56] <CarlFK> i've never seen the domain in hostname. hmm...
[19:59] <sp00ns_> hello world
[20:03] <granjero> hi, installing ubuntu server for a webpage. wher can i read some tips & tricks?
[20:03] <granjero> *where
[20:06] <leftyfb> CarlFK: nmcli device show|grep Domain
[20:06] <rcm888> granjero: you rock pal
[20:07] <granjero> ¿?
[20:08] <arooni> anyway to reorder the gnome-shell extensions on ubuntu 18.04?  thx!
[20:08] <CarlFK> leftyfb: nothing.  here is all of it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JHDc92yhVg/
[20:09] <tomreyn> granjero: what kind of a website?
[20:09] <leftyfb> CarlFK: Is it possible it's not giving one out?
[20:09] <rcm888> granjero: lamp stack is it alive?
[20:09] <granjero> php, i know how to configure it. was hoping to "sudo apt install lamp*"
[20:10] <granjero> but some security tips or so.
[20:10] <CarlFK> leftyfb: seems so.  but I thought things would get cranky if it wasn't set
[20:10] <rcm888> granjero: basacaly you just install httpd2, phpmod, sql.
[20:10] <tomreyn> granjero: you'll need to spell out the package names
[20:10] <leftyfb> CarlFK: nope. You might be able to use .local if you've got avahi installed
[20:11] <leftyfb> granjero: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[20:11] <rcm888> grandfso: you might look at turnkey solution
[20:11] <CarlFK> leftyfb: so when the installer asks for a domain, I can put in "local" ?
[20:11] <rcm888> granjero: it has many prebuild isos
[20:11] <tomreyn> granjero: mayn people prefer nginx over apache httpd nowadays. but if it's your first time maybe better start with apache httpd.+ mod_php
[20:11] <leftyfb> CarlFK: maybe. Depends on what you're installing
[20:11] <CarlFK> leftyfb: dos 6.2 :p
[20:12] <CarlFK> leftyfb: jk.   ubuntu and debian.
[20:12] <tomreyn> rcm888: we do ubuntu support here
[20:12] <alipoor90> Hi, when i want to make a new UEFI virtual machine using virt-manager i get this error: https://pastebin.com/4Ypbw6hT
[20:12] <rcm888> granjero: you may want to look for bundle, with web administration.
[20:13] <rcm888> granjero: I dont know if such exist for ubuntu, it must.
[20:13] <TJ-> granjero: use 'tasksel' as in "tasksel install lamp-server"
[20:13] <granjero> rcm888,  english is not my language, what du you mean by bundle
[20:13] <tomreyn> rcm888: why? those 'one-click install' LAMP systems are a security nightmare, and don't teach people anything.
[20:14] <tomreyn> ("tasksel install lamp-server" is probably fine)
[20:14] <granjero> tomreyn, i do not want a security nightmare =O
[20:14] <rcm888> granjero: many servers in one "pack" at once
[20:14] <TJ-> granjero: you can also do "sudo apt install lamp-server^" (the ^ denotes a task, not a package)
[20:14] <rcm888> tomreyn: haha, doing it by hands is even more unsecure
[20:15] <tomreyn> rcm888: as long asyou use ubuntu packages, you get an update / upgrade path. not so with those ready-made one-click install systems.
[20:15] <tomreyn> (or most of them)
[20:16] <rcm888> tomreyn: http + sql is security whole anyway, you may relax ))
[20:16] <rcm888> *hole
[20:16] <tomreyn> rcm888: we can discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic if you like
[20:17] <leftyfb> CarlFK: if you're using dhcp, it shouldn't be asking for a domain. If you're doing static, then just leave it blank if there isn't one or you don't know it. You can always change it later
[20:18] <rcm888> tomreyn: you just said it is insecure, that is why. and yes, im not going to duscuss that security breach crap, it will not help to improve security.
[20:18] <CarlFK> leftyfb: I thought the installer would not let it be blank.  otoh, seems like I somehow preseeeed a blank and everything has been working for months.
[20:19] <rcm888> tomreyn: if you want to discuss security, you should go to #compilers, and if you want security you'll be kicked after few hours for sure.
[20:20] <rcm888> *from there
[20:20] <mattfly> hello
[20:21] <mattfly> for the gocr how can i get more language packs? is there any ubuntu package for it? i cant find
[20:21] <tomreyn> rcm888: as you may have noticed i'm not going to discuss in here. please let's just do ubuntu support in here.
[20:21] <rcm888> sure, thanks for tolerance.
[20:30] <CarlFK> trying to install/run qemu on ubuntu.  it used to be called qemu-system-x86_64 .. but now it isn't.  or something?
[20:32] <TJ-> CarlFK: it is; did you install the package?
[20:32] <CarlFK> TJ-: I think i just found it: qemu-system-x86
[20:32] <TJ-> CarlFK: that's the one
[20:36] <arutai> quit
[20:37] <Guest85754> hi, its me, ubuntu
[20:37] <Bashing-om> Guest85754: The disguise fooled me :)
[20:40] <arooni> my touchpad doesnt seem to wanna work on ubuntu 18.04 ;; any ideas?
[20:41] <matjam> arooni: try using the synaptics input driver, "sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics" and then reboot
[20:42] <matjam> arooni: if that doesn't work, come back and we'll go through some stuff
[20:42] <arooni> matjam: thanks i'm on it
[20:43] <ash_worksi> is there supposed to be a way on the gnome tweak tool to add extensions?
[20:44] <ash_worksi> or maybe, where can I get more general information on gnome extensions
[20:44] <matjam> ash_worksi: no, you have to install the support for extensions and then visit https://extensions.gnome.org/
[20:44] <matjam> if you go to https://extensions.gnome.org/ it will tell you if you're missing the plugin for your browser
[20:44] <matjam> and it will install it for you
[20:45] <ash_worksi> matjam: why does this have to be installed on the browser?
[20:45] <matjam> ash_worksi: you'd have to ask the gnome guys, I'm not a huge fan of it either
[20:45] <ash_worksi> isn't ubuntu running gnome now?
[20:45] <matjam> no
[20:46] <matjam> ubuntu defaults to using gnome, but the gnome project is not run by ubuntu.
[20:46] <ash_worksi> I thought they scrapped unity for gnome?
[20:46] <matjam> thats correct. But they don't dictate to gnome how gnome does it's thing
[20:46] <ash_worksi> matjam: right, so then shouldn't gnome extensions be natively available now in 18?
[20:46] <matjam> and I can't help you with the why
[20:47] <matjam> I can help with the how
[20:47] <matjam> yes, that is how extensions are "natively" installed in gnome
[20:47] <ash_worksi> o.o;
[20:47] <matjam> you don't have to like it, it's just how it works right now.
[20:48] <ash_worksi> it's a bit annoying to have the gnome extensions sync to windows computers that I log into chrome on
[20:48] <ash_worksi> :\
[20:48] <ash_worksi> well, is that the only way to tweak the system further than gnome tweaks?
[20:48] <matjam> I just hide plugin in Chrome
[20:49] <ash_worksi> I was hoping to make the notifications semi-transparent
[20:49] <matjam> so, you could if you want manually install teh extensions in the right place
[20:49] <arooni> matjam: still didnt work; https://gist.github.com/72e592c1103ac4a3b27551b1dec982de  thats my xinput list props on the touchpad
[20:49] <ash_worksi> interesting
[20:49] <matjam> arooni: it's no longer using xinput, its using synaptics now
[20:49] <ash_worksi> but I don't trust myself
[20:50] <arooni> matjam: how do i configure that
[20:50] <matjam> ash_worksi: the easiest way is just to install the plugin and use the extensions site to install things. Just note, not everything will work well with 18.04
[20:50] <matjam> arooni: so do you get any control of the pointer via the touchpad at all?
[20:50] <ash_worksi> yeah, I think I'll just try to get use to things like that
[20:50] <arooni> matjam: none at all :(  i try to renable the touchapd w/ function + f6 and it always shows the disabled icon
[20:51] <matjam> ash_worksi: I have the same problem, I just hide the plugin in chrome, and ignore it exists on windows :P
[20:51] <matjam> arooni: weird
[20:51] <arooni> matjam: i think ubuntu hates me
[20:51] <matjam> arooni: nah you just need to give it some hugs. Hang on I'm checking some stuff.
[20:51] <arooni> thanks man
[20:52] <matjam> arooni: can you do, sudo apt install pastebinit
[20:52] <matjam> arooni: then do: sudo apt install inxi
[20:53] <arooni> all set
[20:53] <matjam> sec
[20:53] <matjam> arooni: I assume you're using a mouse right now?
[20:53] <arooni> yeah; ; and also the red 'nub' in the middle of the keyboard works fine
[20:54] <matjam> ah
[20:54] <matjam> hmm
[20:54] <matjam> I wonder if your device needs it to be switched
[20:54] <visip> matjam: what model laptop?
[20:55] <arooni> t420 lenovo
[20:55] <arooni> old skool lol
[20:55] <visip> A thinkpad?
[20:55] <arooni> you got it
[20:55] <matjam> arooni: inxi -c0 -F -z | pastebinit
[20:56] <matjam> arooni: then send the URL that it gives you
[20:56] <arooni> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jts5N8tzxN/
[20:57] <visip> arooni: In short, ThinkPads have had a history of issues with touchpads + ubuntu
[20:58] <arooni> visip: sad;  i thought thinkpads supported linux well
[20:58] <visip> arooni: Most all Intel, AMD, and ARM machines will run linux. But some systems have proprietary hardware, such as thinkpads touchpad.
[20:59] <arooni> silly thinkpads
[20:59] <visip> arooni: Think, a newer macbook pro can support ubunt just fine...
[20:59] <matjam> arooni: still looking at stuff, but installing the synaptics package fixes it for most people
[20:59] <arooni> i do love this laptop brand so much; i think i couldnt buy another one eever
[20:59] <visip> arooni: but i have to install custom settings for resolutions, custom drivers for the graphical slider touch bar thing... etc
[20:59] <matjam> arooni: lspci | pastebinit
[20:59] <arooni> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6M5PcBHFF2/
[21:00] <visip> arooni: xinput list | pastebinit
[21:00] <arooni> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5QGV9bqgrW/
[21:01] <visip> have some external mice eh?
[21:02] <arooni> cant have enough mice
[21:03] <arooni> ok gotta grab some lunch; ill brb soon-ish
[21:04] <arooni> thanks for your help thus far
[21:06] <matjam> arooni: lots of information here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[21:06] <matjam> I wonder if this would work for you
[21:06] <matjam> gconftool-2 --set --type boolean /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad_enabled true
[21:06] <matjam> also there's some gui stuff that gnome might work
[21:07] <coderphive> Why is Ubuntu not picking up on my DNS distributed by DHCP?
[21:08] <xamithan> Maybe you got another dns set
[21:08] <Jordan_U> coderphive: How are you checking what DNS servers are in use?
[21:09] <coderphive> If I do a dig it's hitting resolvconf (127.0.0.1) and obviously not using my local DNS
[21:09] <xamithan> That is normal
[21:09] <u0_a197> how to save this account Irssi
[21:09] <u0_a197> ?
[21:09] <coderphive> When the DHCP server specifies the DNS servers xamithan?
[21:09] <Jordan_U> coderphive: 127.0.0.1 is a local caching server. The caching server is probably using the DNS advertised via DHCP.
[21:09] <matjam> coderphive: systemd runs a caching resolver on localhost, managed by network manager
[21:09] <coderphive> That doesn't sound normal
[21:10] <matjam> coderphive: it's normal
[21:10] <matjam> coderphive: if you are using network manager, to configure your network interfaces, thats the way it works now
[21:10] <coderphive> No, it doesn't
[21:10] <matjam> coderphive: man systemd-resolved
[21:11] <coderphive> I've specified the DNS server in network manager and it still doesn't work
[21:11] <matjam> coderphive: to display the dns configuration, use "nmcli"
[21:11] <xamithan> even if you didn't have systemd dns you'd have dnsmasq which doesn't the same thing
[21:11] <xamithan> *does
[21:11] <Two_Dogs> coderphive: dnsmasq locally/system caches, so that is why you see 127.0.0.1, still, there has to be something to show where dnsmasq is getting dns from
[21:11] <matjam> coderphive: you will see a section called "DNS configuratioN"
[21:11] <Jordan_U> coderphive: You've specified which DNS server the local caching server will send requests to.
[21:11] <coderphive> oh weird
[21:12] <coderphive> The server is right but the domain isn't listed
[21:12] <coderphive> I guess that's the problem
[21:13] <matjam> coderphive: in nmcli? if you go to the network manager gui in gnome, is "Automatic (DHCP)"
[21:13] <matjam> selected?
[21:13] <coderphive> yeap
[21:13] <matjam> coderphive: what is your dhcp server?
[21:14] <coderphive> It's running on a ubiquiti router, I can't remember
[21:14] <coderphive> It is a linux app though
[21:15] <matjam> coderphive: make sure it's set to send the dns-search property
[21:15] <matjam> coderphive: you might be able to configure it with nmcli though if you just want a workaround
[21:15] <coderphive> Well, it gets one domain but not the one this other A record is on
[21:15] <coderphive> but it does get the DNS server, so I'm not sure why that's an issue
[21:15] <coderphive> It works fine on OSX
[21:15] <coderphive> and windows
[21:15] <matjam> coderphive: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Networking/CLI has some good examples of how to use the CLI interface (the GUI does not let you edit dns-search)
[21:16] <coderphive> ah
[21:16] <matjam> coderphive: have you done any changes to the system configuration files in /etc?
[21:16] <coderphive> matjam no, this is a Kubuntu vanilla install
[21:16] <matjam> dns-search works for me
[21:16] <matjam> from DHCP
[21:16] <matjam> ah ok.
[21:17] <matjam> coderphive: I think you can use nmcli to modify the connection, and set the dns-search attribute to what you want, and it will work, though dunno if that will persist on a reboot or connection reset
[21:17] <matjam> it should, I think
[21:18] <coderphive> Yeah, I'm just not sure why it should need the domain passed to it when it has the nameserver
[21:18] <matjam> well there might be something you can do to debug it
[21:19] <matjam> coderphive: grep dhcp /var/log/syslog | pastebinit     (you may need to install pastebinit)
[21:21] <coderphive> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5wZ9RFKmRz/ matjam
[21:21] <coderphive> oops
[21:21] <matjam> lol
[21:21] <coderphive> Sorry, haha
[21:22] <coderphive> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g9cbS6mdhX
[21:22] <coderphive> I'm trying to hit a domain on dc.domain.com
[21:22] <coderphive> so I wonder if the search domain is the issue
[21:23] <matjam> so the domain name is being set but the search domain isn't
[21:23] <matjam> my next step would be to run wireshark and make sure the actual DHCP packets contain the search domain
[21:23] <coderphive> Well, it's being set, it's just being set to office.domain.com which is correct for that subnet
[21:24] <coderphive> and I'm trying to hit a domain on dc.domain.com
[21:24] <matjam> so you want additional search domains
[21:24] <coderphive> Yeap
[21:24] <matjam> btw what you're doing there is a bad idea
[21:24] <coderphive> Ah
[21:24] <matjam> you should not use a public nameserver and a private nameserver as your resolvers
[21:24] <coderphive> That's probably more what I needed to hear
[21:25] <matjam> because it's not guaranteed that it will "fall back" 1.1.1.1
[21:25] <coderphive> ah
[21:25] <matjam> in fact, 1.1.1.1 might get hit first
[21:25] <coderphive> That's probably the issue then
[21:25] <matjam> might well be
[21:25] <coderphive> I think 192.168.2.2 is configured to do replication anyway
[21:25] <coderphive> err, not replication
[21:26] <coderphive> but it queries a public DNS if it can't find the record
[21:26] <matjam> the best thing to do is configure 2 caching resolvers on your private network, that are able to forward requests to your authoritative nameservers
[21:26] <coderphive> yeah
[21:26] <matjam> right
[21:26] <matjam> it has a bit of config to say, office.blah.com is authoritative over at x.x.x.x
[21:26] <matjam> and so it goes there, and does the query against that and returns that to the client
[21:26] <matjam> 1.1.1.1 has no idea
[21:27] <matjam> good job on using a real domain for your internal DNS though
[21:27] <matjam> many people use something like .office and thats also a bad idea
[21:27] <matjam> lol
[21:28] <coderphive> Haha, that much I know
[21:29] <matjam> so, in isc.org's dhcpd, you can configure domain-name and domain-search, and domain-search is a list of all domains/subdomains to search including what was in domain-name
[21:29] <matjam> so I don't know about your ubiquity device but I'm sure it's similar
[21:29] <coderphive> Yeah, that fixed it
[21:29] <matjam> cool
[21:29] <coderphive> I'll go setup a secondary to do the same
[21:29] <coderphive> It's probably better that way anyway
[21:29] <matjam> it is
[21:30] <matjam> also, recommend having actually two separate physical devices
[21:30] <matjam> doing dns
[21:30] <matjam> not like, 2 vms
[21:30] <matjam> or a vm on two machines each
[21:30] <coderphive> For sure
[21:31] <matjam> and don't do anything else other than run a resolver on there
[21:31] <coderphive> Since we're on the subject
[21:31] <matjam> recommend unbound
[21:31] <coderphive> What do you think of split horizon?
[21:31] <matjam> I don't recommend it
[21:31] <coderphive> Cool
[21:32] <matjam> it really makes diagnosing DNS problems difficult when you're getting different results from different IPs
[21:32] <matjam> that said
[21:32] <coderphive> We don't have it setup, it seemed shady
[21:32] <coderphive> Actually it is running, but it's only our CDN I think
[21:33] <matjam> there's some instances where overriding a specific name to something else is useful
[21:33] <matjam> but .. not recommended
[21:33] <coderphive> Yeah
[21:33] <coderphive> I can forsee a lot of issues
[21:33] <matjam> yeah so, global dns load balancing is kinda like split horizon, but its one of the exceptions of that
[21:34] <matjam> so like
[21:34] <coderphive> so, I have this server running bind and then I'll setup another server that's unbound as a resolver that both forward to 1.1.1.1
[21:34] <matjam> so if you want to push everythying through an autoconfigured proxy via proxy.pac
[21:35] <matjam> I do think that having a wpad server in each site is ok
[21:35] <matjam> with a local record pointing to the local wpad server
[21:35] <matjam> so if your sites VPN goes down
[21:36] <matjam> then your sites can still autoconfigure proxy and access the internet
[21:36] <coderphive> That's more or less what we're doing here
[21:36] <matjam> yeah thats fine
[21:36] <coderphive> this domain spans across our offices, but each office is like it's own node
[21:36] <matjam> and like, preferring local DC for windows auth stuff
[21:36] <coderphive> yeap
[21:37] <matjam> ... aaaaand we're offtopic
[21:37] <matjam> lol
[21:37] <coderphive> haha
[21:37] <coderphive> Not too far, it's bigger picture
[21:37] <matjam> #ubuntu-offtopic if you have other random questions
[21:37] <matjam> I'm there
[21:37] <coderphive> I mean, I'm not going to do all this stuff over night
[21:43] <bray90820> Is there a way to put drives on the sidebar in 18.04
[21:51] <matjam> erm
[21:51] <matjam> bray90820: do you mean the gnome dock thing?
[21:51] <bray90820> Yes
[21:51] <bray90820> The one that looks like the old unity side pannel
[21:51] <bray90820> matjam:
[21:51] <matjam> good question
[21:52] <matjam> gimme a sec I have an idea
[21:54] <matjam> bray90820: yes you can
[21:54] <bray90820> How
[21:55] <matjam> bray90820: sudo apt install menulibre
[21:55] <matjam> bray90820: then, run "menu editor" from the launcher
[21:56] <matjam> bray90820: in the Accessories group make a new item that has a command of "nautilus --new-window /path_you_want %U"
[21:56] <matjam> you can set the icon to whatever
[21:56] <matjam> give it a name you want
[21:57] <matjam> then in the launcher, search for it and right click and add it to favorites
[21:57] <bray90820> The path I want would be the mount point right?
[21:57] <matjam> right
[21:57] <bray90820> Got it
[21:57] <matjam> also there's an extension for gnome
[21:57] <matjam> called "places"
[21:58] <matjam> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/8/places-status-indicator/
[21:58] <matjam> it might be better for you
[21:58] <matjam> but it goes to the menu bar not the dock
[21:58] <matjam> (I prefer it myself)
[21:58] <matjam> but if you want like, one click access then using the menu editor will be better for you
[21:59] <bray90820> menubar vs dock what's the difference?
[21:59] <matjam> the menu bar is the thing at the top that says "Activities ..." etc
[22:00] <bray90820> Aaahhh yea I should have figured that out I am dumb
[22:01] <Simonious_> I have a puzzle that may not have a solution: https://ghostbin.com/paste/4xzvu
[22:03] <oerheks> #ubuntu-puzzle
[22:03] <matjam> Simonious_: looks like a fun problem but isn't ubuntu related, I'm not sure where on freenode would be the best place to ask but you could ask the ##c++ channel if they can recommend somewhere to ask
[22:05] <Simonious_> matjam: that's fair.
[22:06] <Simonious_> though I'm really not convinced it's a c++ problem
[22:06] <Simonious_> it does strike me as a more general problem
[22:06] <matjam> yeah I mean, it could be your TERM settings
[22:07] <matjam> I've no idea how I'd even help you diagnose that
[22:07] <matjam> I don't think its a distro specific issue
[22:09] <Thyri> i installed the slim display manager and would like to enable it with "systemctl enable slim.service" - however it gives me this error which i do not understand https://hastebin.com/dijebasoco.sql - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM tells me to change the default target which i tried but don't really know what i am doing
[22:11] <matjam> Thyri: you probably shouldn't follow an Arch linux howto for Ubuntu 18.04
[22:11] <matjam> Thyri: it's likely you've mangled something
[22:12] <Two_Dogs> Thyri: it is abandoned and arch warns about systemd
[22:12] <Thyri> matjam, i was anticipating that - however i did not follow a howto - i was just checking out how systemd worked and wanted to tell you what i tried
[22:12] <Thyri> mangled ?
[22:13] <Thyri> but ubuntu 18 is using systemd or am i mistake ?
[22:13] <Thyri> mistaken
[22:13] <Two_Dogs> Thyri: no, but arch says that thing is not going to play nice with systemd
[22:13] <Two_Dogs> like its borked since 2013
[22:14] <Thyri> so slim is not going to work on ubuntu 18 ?
[22:14] <Two_Dogs> your link
[22:14] <matjam> .. yes but how did you install slim? What other changes did you make to your system? the error is pretty clear to me "The unit files have no [Install] section. They are not meant to be enabled using systemctl" - which tells me the package you used isnt' systemd compatible
[22:14] <oerheks> slim is xorg only indeed .. not wayland ready
[22:14] <oerheks> !info slim
[22:15] <matjam> Thyri: did you use the ubuntu repo version of slim?
[22:15] <Thyri> matjam, i did install slim with apt from the default repositories, i did not try to configure it yet - minimal install installed xorg, i3, and now slim
[22:15] <Thyri> matjam yes
[22:15] <oerheks> looks nice.. https://github.com/adi1090x/slim_themes
[22:16] <matjam> ah you're trying to rice your ubuntu
[22:16] <Thyri> what does rice mean ? T_T
[22:17] <matjam> its some masochistic minimal philosophy that espouses using tiling window managers and making everything as minimal as possible
[22:17] <matjam> https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ <-- examples
[22:17] <blackflow> that's not really ricing
[22:17] <matjam> isn't it
[22:18] <matjam> everyone there seems to do it
[22:18] <matjam> and call it ricing
[22:18] <blackflow> nope. ricing is from the gentoo world years ago, adding various nonsense CFLAGS in attempt to speed things up -- rice.
[22:18] <matjam> whats ricing
[22:18] <Thyri> okay, so back to the topic at hand - how do i get my slim to start ?
[22:18] <matjam> hah ok
[22:18] <blackflow> and running things minimal is not bad in any way, in fact, I'd say it's prefered over bloatware.
[22:18] <matjam> Thyri: no idea, I don't use slim, never have.
[22:18] <blackflow> Thyri: why do you insist on slim? it's dead.
[22:19] <matjam> Thyri: https://bugs.launchpad.net/slim
[22:19] <matjam> Thyri: go file a bug there, with the output and see if you get a useful response
[22:19] <Two_Dogs> slim install works out of the box, replaces gdm3 and starts fine, back on here via slim login
[22:20] <Two_Dogs> slim install fro, ubuntu repo
[22:20] <bray90820> matjam: should I put anything for the working directory?
[22:21] <matjam> bray90820: i didnt need to
[22:21] <Thyri> matjam, i just thought i looks nice and i think im doing something wrong, should be fairly easy to get it to work
[22:21] <bray90820> Ok
[22:21] <bray90820> Thanks
[22:23] <matjam> Thyri: lightdm just worked for me when I did it, installed the pacakge and then systemctl enable lightdm, and it worked, so if slim doesn't work, its a problem with that package.
[22:23] <matjam> IMHO
[22:23] <Thyri> alright let me try lightdm and see if that works out
[22:24] <matjam> not every package in the ubuntu repo has been tested thoroughly, unless someone actually tests it during 17.10 or 18.04 beta phases and files a bug, things like that can slip through.
[22:24] <Thyri> i see makes sense
[22:24] <matjam> Thyri: be a good community member and file a bug
[22:24] <Thyri> matjam, at the slim repo ? - but you said its dead
[22:25] <matjam> how else will the ubuntu maintainers realise its dead?
[22:25] <Thyri> shouldn't i repoport it at ubuntu somewhere then ?
[22:25] <matjam> thats what launchpad.net is
[22:25] <Thyri> ah
[22:25] <Thyri> perfect
[22:27] <Two_Dogs> matjam: the 'slim' package from ubuntu repo installs fine, and the login works fine, and if you purge slim afterwards you find gdm3 borked, reinstall of gdm3 seems to fix it though, that is slim from ubuntu repo expressly, not from where ever , Thyri fyi
[22:27] <bray90820> matjam: Hey that actually works Thanks
[22:27] <matjam> bray90820: np
[22:27] <matjam> Two_Dogs: did you have to enable it in systemctl
[22:27] <matjam> or did it enable itself
[22:28] <Two_Dogs> matjam: nope, does it all itself on reboot
[22:28] <matjam> Thyri: ah so chances are if you reboot, it would just work
[22:28] <bray90820> matjam: Can the trash also be done?
[22:29] <Two_Dogs> matjam: on the install of slim you do have to chose 'slim' as login during install process, same as any other login install change
[22:29] <Thyri> matjam i get the same error with lightdm unfortunatly
[22:29] <CoJaBo> anyone here ever used lxc/lxd? Is there a way to access the filesystem root of a conatiner while not running? Managed to break the damn thing, and now of course there is no documentation telling me how to fix it :/
[22:29] <CoJaBo> was it a mistake to switch to LXD? It still feels like nobody else out there is using it..
[22:30] <matjam> bray90820: you could probably use trash:/// as the path but it wouldn't be useful as a place to drag files to most likely
[22:31] <matjam> CoJaBo: all the cool kids are using docker
[22:31] <matjam> CoJaBo: I would expect there's some way to mount the container's filesystem
[22:31] <CoJaBo> matjam: The docs are 100% silent on the issue
[22:32] <CoJaBo> I need OS-level virtualization, and docker isn't really for that
[22:32] <jaddison> Hi! looking forward to settling in on 18.04... having a networking problem though. I don't use sleep/hibernation, so it's not related to that.  When I reboot (or boot up after shutting down), the ubuntu does not get an ipv4 address. if I manually run `sudo dhclient` it gets one just fine. Upon reboot it is lost, however.
[22:33] <CoJaBo> It's rather concerning that I can't find anything on this about Google; if people are using LXD, I shouldn't be the first person in the English-speaking world to have this problem.. Is there something else that I should be using instead, that's well-supported?
[22:33] <matjam> CoJaBo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating-system-level_virtualization  <-- docker is on that list too...
[22:33] <xamithan> Set the NIC to auto enable in network manager
[22:34] <matjam> CoJaBo: so, I use docker for shared kernel containerization stuff, and kvm+qemu for full VM stuff
[22:35] <jaddison> xamithan I'm in a server environment, no GUI
[22:35] <matjam> jaddison: you'll need to configure /etc/network/interfaces then
[22:35] <xamithan> Configure netplan then
[22:35] <xamithan> the server channel can help
[22:35] <CoJaBo> matjam: Can Docker solve problems like this then?
[22:35] <jaddison> matjam it's netplan based?
[22:36] <matjam> oh they use netplan now dont they
[22:36] <matjam> heh
[22:36] <jaddison> xamithan netplan is configured, that's the weird thing.
[22:36] <pavlos> CoJaBo: does this help? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20813486/exploring-docker-containers-file-system
[22:36] <jaddison> I assume dhclient required netplan have the interface configured, xamithan ?
[22:36] <nacc> CoJaBo: what is your question? there is also #lxcontainers
[22:37] <CoJaBo> nacc: Doesn't look like anyone has spoken there in a week
[22:38] <jaddison> xamithan - didn't realize there was a server channel, thanks
[22:38] <nacc> CoJaBo: where and how your container fs are stored depends on your storage configuration. If you are using 'dir', then look in /var/lib/lxd/containers
[22:38] <xamithan> Yeah I'm not sure,  I know there is some bug with promscious mode.  Server channel could probably help better
[22:38] <nacc> CoJaBo: dunno, it's active when there are questions, in my experience.
[22:39] <nacc> CoJaBo: `lxc storage list` can help you see how your LXD is configured
[22:39] <CoJaBo> pavlos: so, it looks like all of those methods assume a running Docker container; my problem is that I can't start my container, so that seems to imply I'd eventually get stuck in this rut with Docker too >_>
[22:40] <nacc> CoJaBo: were you planning on using the container as a long-living thing?
[22:40] <nacc> CoJaBo: if so, you might be "doing it wrong" (tm)
[22:40] <CoJaBo> nacc: What should I be doing then? :/
[22:41] <nacc> CoJaBo: it depends -- what are you trying to do?
[22:41] <Two_Dogs> CoJaBo: cant start? does the start process complain?
[22:41] <pavlos> CoJaBo: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32750748/how-to-edit-files-in-stopped-not-starting-docker-container
[22:41] <CoJaBo> nacc: Have multiple OSs running, to configure differently, on one machine
[22:41] <nacc> CoJaBo: actual OSes? or just OS filesystems?
[22:42] <CoJaBo> Two_Dogs: Yeh, I broke stuff and it complains about the stuff I broke
[22:42] <nacc> CoJaBo: a container is just a filesystem, it's not running a different kernel, so it's *not* the same as an OS, in the way you seem to be using it
[22:42] <Two_Dogs> got it, broke stuff
[22:42] <CoJaBo> nacc: Basically, like full VMs but the idea is to have less overhead by sharing the kernel, since I don't need seperate kernal configs
[22:43] <nacc> CoJaBo: then you don't really need to run different OSes :)
[22:43] <bray90820> How would I restart the favorites or side panel on 18.04
[22:44] <nacc> CoJaBo: why do you need to run several almost-OSes on the same machine at hte same time?
[22:45] <CoJaBo> nacc: To have seperate sets of apps in each, that don't interfere with stuff on eachother or the host
[22:45] <lapaga> why not use virtualbox
[22:45] <CoJaBo> It'd also be nice to migrate them to other machines, which lxd supposedly supports
[22:45] <enkiv2> hey. i just upgraded to bionic & my keyboard & mouse now don't work at all whenever X is running. xorg-inputs-all is installed. (they don't work in the login screen either, but i can ssh in fine -- in fact, i'm here on that box over ssh)
[22:46] <CoJaBo> VBox is what I previously used, but it eats a LOT of RAM
[22:46] <enkiv2> any idea what went wrong? (if this is a ramification of the switch to xorg, can i switch back to wayland from the command line?)
[22:46] <nacc> CoJaBo: why do you need unique OS instances to run applications? you mean some app that only exists in, say, Fedora?
[22:47] <CoJaBo> nacc: In some cases, yes. I'm also trying to move the other existing VMs and chroots into the new system, and lxd seemed a cleaner way to do that
[22:48] <CoJaBo> None of this helps me if I lose all data in the container by making one mistake <_<
[22:49] <nacc> CoJaBo: you never answered my questions earlier as to how your LXDs are stored.
[22:50] <Bashing-om> enkiv2: Maybe - is IOMMU enabled in bios ?
[22:50] <CoJaBo> nacc: It's on zfs; so I should be able to access it that way, but it seems to manage them different than zfs normally does, since it won't let me mount it
[22:51] <enkiv2> IOMMU? no idea
[22:52] <CoJaBo> ..yeh, I also just got thru a massive amount of stupid random flaky hardware issues that ended up being due to having IOMMU enabled
[22:52] <nacc> CoJaBo: i don't know much about lxd about zfs, sorry
[22:55] <enkiv2> Bashing-om: i don't even have an IOMMU option in my bios config. why should obscure chipset things matter for xorg?
[22:56] <arooni> whats the best alt tab replacement (extension) for 18.04?  i would like previews
[22:57] <enkiv2> if it matters this is technically xubuntu i'm upgrading, but i'm pretty sure i already upgraded to 17.x last year
[22:59] <Bashing-om> enkiv2: Well. bios has a driver, grub has a driver, xserver has a driver and the GUI has a driver. so where is the failure that the keyboard and mouse do not funtion, All starts with bios and what it passes off to the operating system.
[23:00] <mistralol> anyone anyidea how I can get this to work? sudo -u somebody systemctl --user status something. It fails with  failed to connect to bus. No such file or directory
[23:00] <nacc> CoJaBo: you can also file a github issue and often will get support for lxd
[23:01] <CoJaBo> nacc: What is the github link? This is definitly, if nothing else, a documentation issue..
[23:01] <enkiv2> i have keyboard support just fine in grub. the moment x starts, even the capslock indicator light stops working
[23:01] <nacc> CoJaBo: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/3784
[23:01] <Bashing-om> enkiv2: Next: in the system's firmware setup, ensure that "Legacy USB support" is enabled - it means the firmware continues providing USBHID services to GRUB until the OS starts and takes over.
[23:01] <nacc> CoJaBo: there is a comment there about mounting filesystems of containers, etc.
[23:02] <enkiv2> er. grub has no problem, and i've never had any problem. i've never had a problem with xorg on other distros on this same box.
[23:02] <nacc> CoJaBo: but honestly, what did you edit in your conatiner that broke things so badly?
[23:04] <CoJaBo> nacc: I managed to move /dev into /tmp. How, I have no idea.
[23:05] <enkiv2> how exactly would the "legacy usb support" cause all input to break without changing, during the transition from one point version to another?
[23:06] <zumba_addict> Is it ok to run gparted in a currently running ubuntu to resize /boot?
[23:06] <CoJaBo> enkiv2: Is it Ryzen by any chance?
[23:07] <enkiv2> is what ryzen?
[23:07] <zumba_addict> not really sure how I'm running out of space in /boot if the partition sizes were suggested by the installer
[23:07] <CoJaBo> The system that's having issues
[23:07] <enkiv2> no. it's a five or six year old acer
[23:08] <zumba_addict> which files can I delete in /boot?
[23:09] <nacc> CoJaBo: i mean, /dev is a udevtmpfs, so that shouldn't really matter after you reboot te container
[23:09] <nacc> zumba_addict: i would not run gparted on a running system
[23:09] <nacc> zumba_addict: how large is your /boot
[23:10] <nacc> zumba_addict: and did you try `sudo apt-get autoremove` ?
[23:10] <CoJaBo> nacc: Yep, `zfs mount` was what I needed, I tried a varient of that at some point even but just had the syntax wrong and/or couldn't find where it was supposed to have mounted it
[23:10] <nacc> CoJaBo: ok
[23:10] <Bashing-om> zumba_addict: Maybe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1465050
[23:10] <CoJaBo> nacc: The error I was getting was that there was no place to mount the udevtmpfs
[23:10] <nacc> CoJaBo: so you deleted the mountpoint?
[23:10] <CoJaBo> Yep
[23:10] <zumba_addict> looking
[23:11] <CoJaBo> Actually, just moved it. But it shouldn't've let me do that when running anyway, so.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:13] <zumba_addict> i'll try it now nacc
[23:13] <zumba_addict> nacc, /dev/sda1       472M  443M  4.8M  99% /boot
[23:13] <zumba_addict> After this operation, 1,922 MB disk space will be freed
[23:14] <zumba_addict> sweet
[23:14] <CoJaBo> zumba_addict: heh, be glad it's not a vps with a tiny /boot that has already filled up
[23:14] <zumba_addict> yup :D
[23:14] <CoJaBo> I've had that several times, and it renders the system completely unbootable. Never forget the autoremove D=
[23:15] <zumba_addict> i've been doing the old school of cleaning up /boot and I was wondering why the files kept coming back, lol
[23:15] <zumba_addict> thanks nacc!
[23:16] <zumba_addict> I was about to decide on reinstalling from scratch :p
[23:16] <CoJaBo> Fixing it is a PITA, because apt wont work when it's 100% out of space, and it just creates the files again then complains it's out of space. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[23:16] <zumba_addict> yup
[23:16] <enkiv2> my console is flooded with "PKCS#7 signature not signed with a trusted key" when i kill the display manager
[23:17] <arooni> apparently i have kernel versions back to 3.19 (have been upgrading ubuntu) now on 18.04; whats the safest way to remove old linux kernels
[23:17] <enkiv2> does that give any clues?
[23:17] <CoJaBo> The last one I fixed by unmounting /boot, letting it pollute that folder (now on root fs) with garbage, then running autoremove. (then restoring /boot back to the way it was manually)
[23:19] <zumba_addict> sweet - /dev/sda1       472M  133M  315M  30% /boot
[23:20] <enkiv2> i'm getting that signature error message about once every tenth of a second
[23:21] <nacc> CoJaBo: sure it will let you do it while running, why not?
[23:21] <nacc> arooni: `sudo apt-get autoremove`
[23:22] <CoJaBo> nacc: My mistake was not noticing I'd clobbered /dev til I had to reboot <_<
[23:23] <CoJaBo> Probably the most amusing command prompt I've seen in a while: I have no name!@dev:/dev$
[23:25]  * matjam backs away slowly
[23:32] <arooni> narc apparently i have gigs and gigs of packages like  154.480 MB       linux-image-extra-4.8.0-46-generic
[23:33] <arooni> how can i efficiently remove all old linux-image-extra stuff
[23:34] <nacc> arooni: again, `sudo apt-get autoremove` ?
[23:35] <arooni> cool
[23:41] <enkiv2> figured out what it was: new udev rules blacklisted all unknown usb devices
[23:46] <arooni> anyway to switch to a paricular workspace directly
[23:55] <kevr> all of the links coming from the front ubuntu page or google are pointing me to server live, i just want server
[23:55] <kevr> can anybody help me out with a direct link or something?
[23:57] <Two_Dogs> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads kevr
[23:57] <idz> sarcastico :@
[23:58] <sarcastico> idz: ;@
[23:58] <sarcastico> idz viu
[23:58] <idz> ta mas aqui tem td isso msm ou é oq?
[23:58] <idz> falando nisso o Drone ta @
[23:58] <idz> achei que era o teu
[23:58] <sarcastico> idz nao é meu
[23:58] <idz> heuhue
[23:58] <sarcastico> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 1287
[23:59] <kevr> Two_Dogs: thanks, it seems interesting that this is considered an alternative download
[23:59] <kevr> i would think that -live- would be less standard...
[23:59] <kevr> also, is there a specific reason why cloud-guest-utils is included in the base install now?
[23:59] <kevr> it is absolutely useless and actually causes problems on non-ec2 environments