| === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy | ||
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:29 |
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| guiverc | Howdy lotuspsychje | 03:30 |
| lotuspsychje | hey guiverc finally weekend :p | 03:30 |
| guiverc | :) (not as big a deal for the retired of us...) | 03:32 |
| lotuspsychje | hehe | 03:33 |
| lotuspsychje | as long as you remember the pain lol | 03:33 |
| lotuspsychje | i know alot of retired ppl, they dont know whats it like to work anymore | 03:34 |
| lotuspsychje | and think time is the same for everyone, like they experience it | 03:34 |
| guiverc | :) (@ pain) | 03:35 |
| lotuspsychje | the pain part was a joke :p | 03:36 |
| guiverc | at times I do voluntary work - that i treat as 'work' (which sort of applies; but its not the same as I choose to do it!) | 03:36 |
| lotuspsychje | sleepy in main | 04:02 |
| lotuspsychje | for a saturday | 04:02 |
| guiverc | yeah | 04:04 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:30 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:09 |
| ducasse | hi lordievader - all well and ready for another day? | 07:12 |
| lordievader | Hey ducasse | 07:16 |
| lordievader | Doing good here, how are you? | 07:16 |
| ducasse | waking up and getting ready, hoping it will be a bit cooler today | 07:18 |
| lordievader | It is here 😉 | 07:21 |
| ducasse | \o/ | 07:22 |
| lordievader | Seems like it is going to be a rainy day here. | 07:22 |
| ducasse | no such luck here, i'm afraid | 07:24 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 10:38 |
| lordievader | 👋 | 10:43 |
| BluesKaj | Hi lordievader how'a it going? | 10:51 |
| lordievader | Doing good here | 10:51 |
| lordievader | How are you? | 10:51 |
| BluesKaj | same, nice day here, a bit cool , but sunny | 10:52 |
| lordievader | Not a very nice day here, quite gray. | 10:58 |
| papik | Hello | 11:05 |
| lordievader | 👋 | 11:07 |
| BluesKaj | hi papik | 11:10 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 14:54 |
| sonicwind | hey | 14:57 |
| lotuspsychje | hi sonicwind | 14:58 |
| tomreyn | oerheks: pentesting is not supported? i couldn't find anything on the guidelines to back this up. | 16:11 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: metasploit isnt really a package on the official repos right? | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: maybe pentesting from the tools we do support? | 16:12 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: no, i is not, nor is armitage, but that's not my point. | 16:12 |
| oerheks | oh, i wnated to say installing non ubuntu packages, pentesting as whole might be a little rough | 16:13 |
| tomreyn | ok | 16:14 |
| daftykins | anyone serious about it would use a dedicated distro that's intended for it | 16:14 |
| lotuspsychje | we do have usefull hack tools officially too :p | 16:14 |
| daftykins | which, granted, i think most are 'buntu based now | 16:14 |
| lotuspsychje | john the ripper, keylogger,nmap,.. | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | the list is pretty big | 16:15 |
| daftykins | yeah but it's a waste of time installing and hoping they work when they already do in other things | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | its true,most easy way is getting a kali,or.. | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | but that doesnt mean we can deny helping users with official packages | 16:16 |
| oerheks | i was looking the other day for tools aimed at systemd, but pentesting is a world at it s own | 16:16 |
| lotuspsychje | what do we say if someone needs help with record keys on his network? | 16:16 |
| tomreyn | daftykins: i know a couple folks who are serious about it and use debian and ubuntu for pentesting. actually a better experience than kali or the like. | 16:17 |
| daftykins | ok but are you getting asked by a beginner right now? | 16:18 |
| daftykins | because that's a totally different circumstance | 16:18 |
| tomreyn | me? no one is aksing me currently. i seem to be missing you point. | 16:19 |
| daftykins | whatever started this convo, presumably from another channel that i'm not in | 16:19 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: depends, i guess, i wouldn't want to help someone attack others, but as long as i'm not convinced that's going on, i'd be happy to help them test the tools on their *own* network. | 16:21 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: my idea aswell, if they have trouble installing an offical package, we need to help | 16:21 |
| oerheks | daftykins, just this: <ullf09721> hello,I'm trying to install armitage on ubuntu 16.04 but I can't get it.I already installed metasploit.I need it for practice in learning <oerheks> ullf09721, pentesting is not supported here, try the metasploit/kali channels? | 16:21 |
| tomreyn | daftykins: ullf09721 asked in #uubntu some minutes ago. it wasn't entirely clear whether or not they were a beginner (about ubuntu). | 16:22 |
| daftykins | yeah i think you should avoid that topic entirely in #u | 16:22 |
| oerheks | heh in NL i am free to use the tools, but 200 km east, Germany, i cannot | 16:22 |
| lotuspsychje | the line is really thin... | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | portscanning is illegal at some countrys | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | but we can help nmap scan help on own network | 16:23 |
| daftykins | if someone can't find out for themselves, then they are the type that giving a little info to is dangerous imo | 16:25 |
| lotuspsychje | scriptkiddies need a start somewhere :p | 16:25 |
| daftykins | and you shouldn't be that start :) | 16:26 |
| lotuspsychje | unless they installed ubuntu and need help installing a package :p | 16:26 |
| lotuspsychje | im not the one to judge others | 16:26 |
| * tomreyn +1 | 16:27 | |
| daftykins | yeah but installing a package isn't the same as teaching to nmap | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | teaching nmap is allowed | 16:27 |
| daftykins | i'm not saying it's not, i'm saying i think it's unwise | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | and freenode has the #nmap channel too | 16:27 |
| daftykins | better place to be sent then :> | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | if they wanna learn more on nmap yea total agree | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | for the ubuntu help side, here | 16:28 |
| daftykins | hang on a minute now, i try and raise a point and you always change it back into being what does count as ubuntu support, but i was trying to bring up what i was saying | 16:29 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: the part for being dangerous? | 16:29 |
| daftykins | yeah there's a responsibility of course | 16:30 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: depends on how the user talks about it, and whats his end goal? | 16:31 |
| daftykins | i think it's safe to assume they wouldn't spell it out :D | 16:32 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 16:32 |
| daftykins | i used to be asked to take very basic security classes in a local College, it was kind of amusing hearing about the kids using the tools against each other afterwards | 16:34 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 16:36 |
| hggdh | anyway, if a beginner needs to use nmap, they should actually use zenmap instead (easier) | 16:37 |
| daftykins | rubbish | 16:37 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: most pentesting tools on ubuntu are cli | 16:38 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: yes, I know. But you can learn nmap via zenmap (the *very* basics, but still). | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: yeah for the nmap learning zenmalk is cool | 16:43 |
| lotuspsychje | zenmap too :p | 16:44 |
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| lotuspsychje | welcome | 17:14 |
| Battle | thanks, honestly had no idea this place existed :D | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | here you can discuss ubuntu as you wish mate | 17:14 |
| Battle | thanks | 17:14 |
| Battle | how "new" is ubuntu 18? i initally tried that and ran into some problems installing a software that turnt out not to support ubuntu 18, so gave me the impresssion 18 was fairly new? | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | !releasenotes | 17:16 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | Battle: 18.04 is out from april 2018 | 17:17 |
| Battle | wow, yeah i read the support span 5 years, so worked it out from that, very very new | 17:17 |
| lotuspsychje | !lts | 17:18 |
| ubot5 | LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Bionic (Bionic Beaver 18.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information. | 17:18 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl movietime | 17:31 |
| lotuspsychje | cheers guys | 17:31 |
| oerheks | some bright light .. “Ubuntu 16.04”, “Ubuntu 18.04”, and “Ubuntu”. This means you always have the latest LTS version. https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/there-are-now-three-versions-of-ubuntu-in-the-microsoft-store-heres-why/ | 17:47 |
| BluesKaj | personally i don't get it , why ubuntu on windows? It's not gonna make me go back to Windows. What's the actual purpose | 17:57 |
| BluesKaj | ? | 17:58 |
| daftykins | convenient access to CLI utilities for an admin without needing to virtualise or run a separate system perhaps | 17:59 |
| BluesKaj | because most server systems are linux ? | 18:01 |
| daftykins | i don't see it has anything to do with servers really, just some jobs are better suited to one OS over another | 18:03 |
| oerheks | wait untill ext4 is standard supported in wndows :-( | 18:04 |
| daftykins | waste of time | 18:08 |
| BluesKaj | heh, MS-Linux | 18:13 |
| daftykins | honestly i've not used the feature, don't see the point myself :D | 18:14 |
| BluesKaj | what's Canonical trying to accomplish or are they not involved since it's open source | 18:17 |
| daftykins | MS and them worked together on it, i'm pretty sure | 18:17 |
| daftykins | it won't be Canonical's work :) | 18:17 |
| daftykins | (alone0 | 18:17 |
| daftykins | *(alone) | 18:17 |
| BluesKaj | no doubt Mark Shuttleworth as received nasty emails or correspondence from Richard Stallman :-) | 18:21 |
| oerheks | Stallmans Protest Anoying Mailbox | 18:22 |
| oerheks | if that amazon thingy had an Ebay option, nobody complained | 18:23 |
| BluesKaj | ebay is small potatoes compared to amazon nowadays...I barely think of ebay anymore like most people | 18:25 |
| daftykins | i go there plenty for second hand PC parts | 18:26 |
| oerheks | oh .. | 18:27 |
| hggdh | BluesKaj: in most of my contracts I work on *IX, but based on Windows, usually on a laptop provided by the company I am working at. having Linux locally helps a lot | 18:27 |
| BluesKaj | is it worth it, daftykins? | 18:27 |
| oerheks | i refuse to look at ali-baba, when i order, the customs-office ask a lot of money too | 18:27 |
| hggdh | for example, making sense of a multi-giga file on Windows is painful | 18:28 |
| BluesKaj | isuppose it must be daftykins ,otherwise you wouldn't use ebay (dumb question) :-) | 18:29 |
| BluesKaj | hggdh, being a home user only, I have a very vague Idea about what you guys on the job have to deal with these days | 18:32 |
| * BluesKaj is retired | 18:32 | |
| hggdh | lucky you :-) | 18:32 |
| BluesKaj | well, yes and no ...the golden years arn't so golden sometimes | 18:33 |
| hggdh | I know... When you have the time (and, sometimes, the money) to enjoy life, there is a lot of pain following you | 18:34 |
| daftykins | BluesKaj: what might blow your mind is a lot of folk who sell on ebay, sell via amazon too :D | 18:34 |
| * BluesKaj nods...interesting | 18:35 | |
| daftykins | those intel haswell (core 4th gen) systems i was putting together recently were from ebay parts :D very neat | 18:36 |
| daftykins | also had a funny situation where i ordered some USB 3.0 3.5" bay front ports, to upgrade a clients old systems that have only v2.0 built into the case... | 18:37 |
| daftykins | they arrived in amazon packets - i thought WHAT i bought these on ebay!? next time i searched on amazon and found the same brand for cheaper since here we can get the tax off from amazon :> | 18:37 |
| === czesmir_ is now known as czesmir | ||
| Bashing-om | IRT Abertaffy Attempt to upgrade: is not the CVE issue still extent on 17.04 preventing the upgrade ? Just do not recall :( | 21:16 |
| oerheks | grinn .. "Amazon explains how Alexa secretly recorded a couple's conversation and sent it to a friend" | 23:02 |
| tomreyn | to congress? :) | 23:05 |
| oerheks | Jared? | 23:06 |
| oerheks | https://www.techspot.com/news/74820-amazon-explains-how-alexa-secretly-recorded-couple-conversation.html | 23:06 |
| tomreyn | aaw it gets instantl yboring once you read the second headline | 23:07 |
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