=== not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy [03:29] good morning to all [03:30] Howdy lotuspsychje [03:30] hey guiverc finally weekend :p [03:32] :) (not as big a deal for the retired of us...) [03:33] hehe [03:33] as long as you remember the pain lol [03:34] i know alot of retired ppl, they dont know whats it like to work anymore [03:34] and think time is the same for everyone, like they experience it [03:35] :) (@ pain) [03:36] the pain part was a joke :p [03:36] at times I do voluntary work - that i treat as 'work' (which sort of applies; but its not the same as I choose to do it!) [04:02] sleepy in main [04:02] for a saturday [04:04] yeah [06:30] good morning [07:09] Good morning [07:12] hi lordievader - all well and ready for another day? [07:16] Hey ducasse [07:16] Doing good here, how are you? [07:18] waking up and getting ready, hoping it will be a bit cooler today [07:21] It is here 😉 [07:22] \o/ [07:22] Seems like it is going to be a rainy day here. [07:24] no such luck here, i'm afraid [10:38] Hiyas all [10:43] 👋 [10:51] Hi lordievader how'a it going? [10:51] Doing good here [10:51] How are you? [10:52] same, nice day here, a bit cool , but sunny [10:58] Not a very nice day here, quite gray. [11:05] Hello [11:07] 👋 [11:10] hi papik [14:54] good afternoon to all [14:57] hey [14:58] hi sonicwind [16:11] oerheks: pentesting is not supported? i couldn't find anything on the guidelines to back this up. [16:12] tomreyn: metasploit isnt really a package on the official repos right? [16:12] tomreyn: maybe pentesting from the tools we do support? [16:12] lotuspsychje: no, i is not, nor is armitage, but that's not my point. [16:13] oh, i wnated to say installing non ubuntu packages, pentesting as whole might be a little rough [16:14] ok [16:14] anyone serious about it would use a dedicated distro that's intended for it [16:14] we do have usefull hack tools officially too :p [16:14] which, granted, i think most are 'buntu based now [16:15] john the ripper, keylogger,nmap,.. [16:15] the list is pretty big [16:15] yeah but it's a waste of time installing and hoping they work when they already do in other things [16:15] its true,most easy way is getting a kali,or.. [16:16] but that doesnt mean we can deny helping users with official packages [16:16] i was looking the other day for tools aimed at systemd, but pentesting is a world at it s own [16:16] what do we say if someone needs help with record keys on his network? [16:17] daftykins: i know a couple folks who are serious about it and use debian and ubuntu for pentesting. actually a better experience than kali or the like. [16:18] ok but are you getting asked by a beginner right now? [16:18] because that's a totally different circumstance [16:19] me? no one is aksing me currently. i seem to be missing you point. [16:19] whatever started this convo, presumably from another channel that i'm not in [16:21] lotuspsychje: depends, i guess, i wouldn't want to help someone attack others, but as long as i'm not convinced that's going on, i'd be happy to help them test the tools on their *own* network. [16:21] tomreyn: my idea aswell, if they have trouble installing an offical package, we need to help [16:21] daftykins, just this: hello,I'm trying to install armitage on ubuntu 16.04 but I can't get it.I already installed metasploit.I need it for practice in learning ullf09721, pentesting is not supported here, try the metasploit/kali channels? [16:22] daftykins: ullf09721 asked in #uubntu some minutes ago. it wasn't entirely clear whether or not they were a beginner (about ubuntu). [16:22] yeah i think you should avoid that topic entirely in #u [16:22] heh in NL i am free to use the tools, but 200 km east, Germany, i cannot [16:23] the line is really thin... [16:23] portscanning is illegal at some countrys [16:23] but we can help nmap scan help on own network [16:25] if someone can't find out for themselves, then they are the type that giving a little info to is dangerous imo [16:25] scriptkiddies need a start somewhere :p [16:26] and you shouldn't be that start :) [16:26] unless they installed ubuntu and need help installing a package :p [16:26] im not the one to judge others [16:27] * tomreyn +1 [16:27] yeah but installing a package isn't the same as teaching to nmap [16:27] teaching nmap is allowed [16:27] i'm not saying it's not, i'm saying i think it's unwise [16:27] and freenode has the #nmap channel too [16:28] better place to be sent then :> [16:28] if they wanna learn more on nmap yea total agree [16:28] for the ubuntu help side, here [16:29] hang on a minute now, i try and raise a point and you always change it back into being what does count as ubuntu support, but i was trying to bring up what i was saying [16:29] daftykins: the part for being dangerous? [16:30] yeah there's a responsibility of course [16:31] daftykins: depends on how the user talks about it, and whats his end goal? [16:32] i think it's safe to assume they wouldn't spell it out :D [16:32] yeah [16:34] i used to be asked to take very basic security classes in a local College, it was kind of amusing hearing about the kids using the tools against each other afterwards [16:36] :p [16:37] anyway, if a beginner needs to use nmap, they should actually use zenmap instead (easier) [16:37] rubbish [16:38] hggdh: most pentesting tools on ubuntu are cli [16:38] lotuspsychje: yes, I know. But you can learn nmap via zenmap (the *very* basics, but still). [16:43] hggdh: yeah for the nmap learning zenmalk is cool [16:44] zenmap too :p === JanC_ is now known as JanC [17:14] welcome [17:14] thanks, honestly had no idea this place existed :D [17:14] here you can discuss ubuntu as you wish mate [17:14] thanks [17:16] how "new" is ubuntu 18? i initally tried that and ran into some problems installing a software that turnt out not to support ubuntu 18, so gave me the impresssion 18 was fairly new? [17:16] !releasenotes [17:16] Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes [17:17] Battle: 18.04 is out from april 2018 [17:17] wow, yeah i read the support span 5 years, so worked it out from that, very very new [17:18] !lts [17:18] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Bionic (Bionic Beaver 18.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information. [17:31] bbl movietime [17:31] cheers guys [17:47] some bright light .. “Ubuntu 16.04”, “Ubuntu 18.04”, and “Ubuntu”. This means you always have the latest LTS version. https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/there-are-now-three-versions-of-ubuntu-in-the-microsoft-store-heres-why/ [17:57] personally i don't get it , why ubuntu on windows? It's not gonna make me go back to Windows. What's the actual purpose [17:58] ? [17:59] convenient access to CLI utilities for an admin without needing to virtualise or run a separate system perhaps [18:01] because most server systems are linux ? [18:03] i don't see it has anything to do with servers really, just some jobs are better suited to one OS over another [18:04] wait untill ext4 is standard supported in wndows :-( [18:08] waste of time [18:13] heh, MS-Linux [18:14] honestly i've not used the feature, don't see the point myself :D [18:17] what's Canonical trying to accomplish or are they not involved since it's open source [18:17] MS and them worked together on it, i'm pretty sure [18:17] it won't be Canonical's work :) [18:17] (alone0 [18:17] *(alone) [18:21] no doubt Mark Shuttleworth as received nasty emails or correspondence from Richard Stallman :-) [18:22] Stallmans Protest Anoying Mailbox [18:23] if that amazon thingy had an Ebay option, nobody complained [18:25] ebay is small potatoes compared to amazon nowadays...I barely think of ebay anymore like most people [18:26] i go there plenty for second hand PC parts [18:27] oh .. [18:27] BluesKaj: in most of my contracts I work on *IX, but based on Windows, usually on a laptop provided by the company I am working at. having Linux locally helps a lot [18:27] is it worth it, daftykins? [18:27] i refuse to look at ali-baba, when i order, the customs-office ask a lot of money too [18:28] for example, making sense of a multi-giga file on Windows is painful [18:29] isuppose it must be daftykins ,otherwise you wouldn't use ebay (dumb question) :-) [18:32] hggdh, being a home user only, I have a very vague Idea about what you guys on the job have to deal with these days [18:32] * BluesKaj is retired [18:32] lucky you :-) [18:33] well, yes and no ...the golden years arn't so golden sometimes [18:34] I know... When you have the time (and, sometimes, the money) to enjoy life, there is a lot of pain following you [18:34] BluesKaj: what might blow your mind is a lot of folk who sell on ebay, sell via amazon too :D [18:35] * BluesKaj nods...interesting [18:36] those intel haswell (core 4th gen) systems i was putting together recently were from ebay parts :D very neat [18:37] also had a funny situation where i ordered some USB 3.0 3.5" bay front ports, to upgrade a clients old systems that have only v2.0 built into the case... [18:37] they arrived in amazon packets - i thought WHAT i bought these on ebay!? next time i searched on amazon and found the same brand for cheaper since here we can get the tax off from amazon :> === czesmir_ is now known as czesmir [21:16] IRT Abertaffy Attempt to upgrade: is not the CVE issue still extent on 17.04 preventing the upgrade ? Just do not recall :( [23:02] grinn .. "Amazon explains how Alexa secretly recorded a couple's conversation and sent it to a friend" [23:05] to congress? :) [23:06] Jared? [23:06] https://www.techspot.com/news/74820-amazon-explains-how-alexa-secretly-recorded-couple-conversation.html [23:07] aaw it gets instantl yboring once you read the second headline