[03:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:30] <guiverc> Howdy lotuspsychje
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> hey guiverc finally weekend :p
[03:32] <guiverc> :)    (not as big a deal for the retired of us...)
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> as long as you remember the pain lol
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> i know alot of retired ppl, they dont know whats it like to work anymore
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> and think time is the same for everyone, like they experience it
[03:35] <guiverc> :)  (@ pain)
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> the pain part was a joke :p
[03:36] <guiverc> at times I do voluntary work - that i treat as 'work'  (which sort of applies; but its not the same as I choose to do it!)
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> sleepy in main
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> for a saturday
[04:04] <guiverc> yeah
[06:30] <ducasse> good morning
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:12] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well and ready for another day?
[07:16] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:16] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[07:18] <ducasse> waking up and getting ready, hoping it will be a bit cooler today
[07:21] <lordievader> It is here 😉
[07:22] <ducasse> \o/
[07:22] <lordievader> Seems like it is going to be a rainy day here.
[07:24] <ducasse> no such luck here, i'm afraid
[10:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:43] <lordievader> 👋
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader how'a it going?
[10:51] <lordievader> Doing good here
[10:51] <lordievader> How are you?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> same, nice day here, a bit cool , but sunny
[10:58] <lordievader> Not a very nice day here, quite gray.
[11:05] <papik> Hello
[11:07] <lordievader> 👋
[11:10] <BluesKaj> hi papik
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:57] <sonicwind> hey
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> hi sonicwind
[16:11] <tomreyn> oerheks: pentesting is not supported? i couldn't find anything on the guidelines to back this up.
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: metasploit isnt really a package on the official repos right?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: maybe pentesting from the tools we do support?
[16:12] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: no, i is not, nor is armitage, but that's not my point.
[16:13] <oerheks> oh, i wnated to say installing non ubuntu packages, pentesting as whole might be a little rough
[16:14] <tomreyn> ok
[16:14] <daftykins> anyone serious about it would use a dedicated distro that's intended for it
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> we do have usefull hack tools officially too :p
[16:14] <daftykins> which, granted, i think most are 'buntu based now
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> john the ripper, keylogger,nmap,..
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> the list is pretty big
[16:15] <daftykins> yeah but it's a waste of time installing and hoping they work when they already do in other things
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> its true,most easy way is getting a kali,or..
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> but that doesnt mean we can deny helping users with official packages
[16:16] <oerheks> i was looking the other day for tools aimed at systemd, but pentesting is a world at it s own
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> what do we say if someone needs help with record keys on his network?
[16:17] <tomreyn> daftykins: i know a couple folks who are serious about it and use debian and ubuntu for pentesting. actually a better experience than kali or the like.
[16:18] <daftykins> ok but are you getting asked by a beginner right now?
[16:18] <daftykins> because that's a totally different circumstance
[16:19] <tomreyn> me? no one is aksing me currently. i seem to be missing you point.
[16:19] <daftykins> whatever started this convo, presumably from another channel that i'm not in
[16:21] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: depends, i guess, i wouldn't want to help someone attack others, but as long as i'm not convinced that's going on, i'd be happy to help them test the tools on their *own* network.
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: my idea aswell, if they have trouble installing an offical package, we need to help
[16:21] <oerheks> daftykins, just this: <ullf09721> hello,I'm trying to install armitage on ubuntu 16.04 but I can't get it.I already installed metasploit.I need it for practice in learning <oerheks> ullf09721, pentesting is not supported here, try the metasploit/kali channels?
[16:22] <tomreyn> daftykins: ullf09721 asked in #uubntu some minutes ago. it wasn't entirely clear whether or not they were a beginner (about ubuntu).
[16:22] <daftykins> yeah i think you should avoid that topic entirely in #u
[16:22] <oerheks> heh in NL i am free to use the tools, but 200 km east, Germany, i cannot
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> the line is really thin...
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> portscanning is illegal at some countrys
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> but we can help nmap scan help on own network
[16:25] <daftykins> if someone can't find out for themselves, then they are the type that giving a little info to is dangerous imo
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> scriptkiddies need a start somewhere :p
[16:26] <daftykins> and you shouldn't be that start :)
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> unless they installed ubuntu and need help installing a package :p
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> im not the one to judge others
[16:27]  * tomreyn +1
[16:27] <daftykins> yeah but installing a package isn't the same as teaching to nmap
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> teaching nmap is allowed
[16:27] <daftykins> i'm not saying it's not, i'm saying i think it's unwise
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> and freenode has the #nmap channel too
[16:28] <daftykins> better place to be sent then :>
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> if they wanna learn more on nmap yea total agree
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> for the ubuntu help side, here
[16:29] <daftykins> hang on a minute now, i try and raise a point and you always change it back into being what does count as ubuntu support, but i was trying to bring up what i was saying
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: the part for being dangerous?
[16:30] <daftykins> yeah there's a responsibility of course
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: depends on how the user talks about it, and whats his end goal?
[16:32] <daftykins> i think it's safe to assume they wouldn't spell it out :D
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:34] <daftykins> i used to be asked to take very basic security classes in a local College, it was kind of amusing hearing about the kids using the tools against each other afterwards
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:37] <hggdh> anyway, if a beginner needs to use nmap, they should actually use zenmap instead (easier)
[16:37] <daftykins> rubbish
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: most pentesting tools on ubuntu are cli
[16:38] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: yes, I know. But you can learn nmap via zenmap (the *very* basics, but still).
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: yeah for the nmap learning zenmalk is cool
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> zenmap too :p
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[17:14] <Battle> thanks, honestly had no idea this place existed :D
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> here you can discuss ubuntu as you wish mate
[17:14] <Battle> thanks
[17:16] <Battle> how "new" is ubuntu 18? i initally tried that and ran into some problems installing a software that turnt out not to support ubuntu 18, so gave me the impresssion 18 was fairly new?
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> !releasenotes
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> Battle: 18.04 is out from april 2018
[17:17] <Battle> wow, yeah i read the support span 5 years, so worked it out from that, very very new
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> !lts
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> bbl movietime
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> cheers guys
[17:47] <oerheks> some bright light ..  “Ubuntu 16.04”, “Ubuntu 18.04”, and “Ubuntu”. This means you always have the latest LTS version. https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/there-are-now-three-versions-of-ubuntu-in-the-microsoft-store-heres-why/
[17:57] <BluesKaj> personally i don't get it , why ubuntu on windows? It's not gonna make me go back to Windows. What's the actual purpose
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:59] <daftykins> convenient access to CLI utilities for an admin without needing to virtualise or run a separate system perhaps
[18:01] <BluesKaj> because most server systems are linux ?
[18:03] <daftykins> i don't see it has anything to do with servers really, just some jobs are better suited to one OS over another
[18:04] <oerheks> wait untill ext4 is standard supported in wndows :-(
[18:08] <daftykins> waste of time
[18:13] <BluesKaj> heh, MS-Linux
[18:14] <daftykins> honestly i've not used the feature, don't see the point myself :D
[18:17] <BluesKaj> what's Canonical trying to accomplish or are they not involved since it's open source
[18:17] <daftykins> MS and them worked together on it, i'm pretty sure
[18:17] <daftykins> it won't be Canonical's work :)
[18:17] <daftykins> (alone0
[18:17] <daftykins> *(alone)
[18:21] <BluesKaj> no doubt Mark Shuttleworth as received nasty emails or correspondence from Richard Stallman :-)
[18:22] <oerheks> Stallmans Protest Anoying Mailbox
[18:23] <oerheks> if that amazon thingy had an Ebay option, nobody complained
[18:25] <BluesKaj> ebay is small potatoes compared to amazon nowadays...I barely think of ebay anymore like most people
[18:26] <daftykins> i go there plenty for second hand PC parts
[18:27] <oerheks> oh ..
[18:27] <hggdh> BluesKaj: in most of my contracts I work on *IX, but based on Windows, usually on a laptop provided by the company I am working at. having Linux locally helps a lot
[18:27] <BluesKaj> is it worth it, daftykins?
[18:27] <oerheks> i refuse to look at ali-baba, when i order, the customs-office ask a lot of money too
[18:28] <hggdh> for example, making sense of a multi-giga file on Windows is painful
[18:29] <BluesKaj> isuppose it must be daftykins ,otherwise you wouldn't use ebay (dumb question) :-)
[18:32] <BluesKaj> hggdh, being a home user only, I have a very vague Idea about what you guys on the job have to deal with these days
[18:32]  * BluesKaj is retired
[18:32] <hggdh> lucky you :-)
[18:33] <BluesKaj> well, yes and no ...the golden years arn't so golden sometimes
[18:34] <hggdh> I know... When you have the time (and, sometimes, the money) to enjoy life, there is a lot of pain following you
[18:34] <daftykins> BluesKaj: what might blow your mind is a lot of folk who sell on ebay, sell via amazon too :D
[18:35]  * BluesKaj nods...interesting
[18:36] <daftykins> those intel haswell (core 4th gen) systems i was putting together recently were from ebay parts :D very neat
[18:37] <daftykins> also had a funny situation where i ordered some USB 3.0 3.5" bay front ports, to upgrade a clients old systems that have only v2.0 built into the case...
[18:37] <daftykins> they arrived in amazon packets - i thought WHAT i bought these on ebay!? next time i searched on amazon and found the same brand for cheaper since here we can get the tax off from amazon :>
[21:16] <Bashing-om> IRT Abertaffy Attempt to upgrade: is not the CVE issue still extent on 17.04 preventing the upgrade ? Just do not recall :(
[23:02] <oerheks> grinn .. "Amazon explains how Alexa secretly recorded a couple's conversation and sent it to a friend"
[23:05] <tomreyn> to congress? :)
[23:06] <oerheks> Jared?
[23:06] <oerheks> https://www.techspot.com/news/74820-amazon-explains-how-alexa-secretly-recorded-couple-conversation.html
[23:07] <tomreyn> aaw it gets instantl yboring once you read the second headline