[00:12] <matjam> whee
[00:14] <matjam> so package purge/reinstall fixed it?
[00:14] <matjam> am glad
[00:14] <matjam> wonder what it was that broke
[00:14] <matjam> super odd
[04:44] <wayne7> How can I show the messages of other users on a chat channel?
[04:45] <JanC> what do you mean?
[04:46] <wayne7> Thanks. I am using Xchat but whatever channel I join just shows a list of users without showing what they are all chatting about. Can I see all their messages scrool down the screen?
[04:47] <JanC> well, you did see my message, right?
[04:47] <JanC> you only see what they are chatting about in the channel(s) you are in
[04:48] <JanC> or when you are chatting with them in private, of course
[04:48] <wayne7> Yes, good. But is it only one-on-one chat. I once joined a channel where you coauld see what everybody was saying to each other.
[04:49] <JanC> right now we are the only two people saying anything  :)
[04:49] <JanC> in this channel
[04:49] <wayne7> Oh, thanks. So if I wait, I may see others chatting?
[04:50] <JanC> it's Friday night in the Americas, very early morning in Europe, so most people aren't really at their computer chatting right now, I guess
[04:51] <JanC> this isn't really a super-active channel either
[04:51] <JanC> but, yes, you will see others chatting too, if you stay around long enough
[04:52] <wayne7> I see. Last night I wentto dozens of channels but did not see any chat. I am in Australia.
[04:53] <JanC> it's now afternoon in Australia, right?
[04:54] <wayne7> Yes. At last I reached a channel which anwered when I said, hello. But they only spoke German.
[04:58] <JanC> most channels on Freenode are for answering questions or discussing stuff on a specific topic really, although there are some social/offtopic/etc. channels too
[04:58] <wayne7> So when I join a channel with names listed down the right column, that does not mean that all those people are present waiting to chat.
[05:00] <JanC> it means they are logged in, but they probably have a computer on 24/7 (just like me)
[05:01] <JanC> and not everybody sets their status to "away"
[05:01] <JanC> (e.g. for privacy reasons)
[05:01] <wayne7> Oh, so all those listed are not there waiting to ask you questions?
[05:02] <JanC> they will ask/answer when they have questions/answers _and_ happen to be around
[05:03] <wayne7> Thanks, Jan.  I will keep trying try to find a subject or social channel with people chatting.
[05:03] <JanC> sometimes answers can come hours after asking (if you stay around)
[05:04] <wayne7> Thanks, Jan.
[05:04] <JanC> wayne7: in general try to keep questions on-topic for whatever channel you are in though
[05:05] <wayne7> I understand.
[05:26] <Guest42555> hi
[05:26] <Guest42555> who here uses or maintains Evolution
[05:26] <Guest42555> well wrong question
[05:27] <Guest42555> as it is for desktop
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:23] <Ubu-1604> good morning to you as well ... from canada :)
[07:24] <lordievader> 👋
[15:39] <Neo4> hi
[15:39] <Neo4> who know how I can connect to the server? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t33t2TyTCZ/
[15:39] <Neo4> without key
[15:40] <Neo4> I put ssh -i and any text and neo@ip to connect from vmware
[15:40] <Neo4> strange behavior :)
[15:41] <Neo4> anywhere
[15:41] <Neo4> Warning: Identity file kasdfk not accessible: No such file or directory.
[15:41] <Neo4> and connect passed
[15:45] <tomreyn> looks exactly as i'd expect
[15:52] <Neo4> tomreyn: what?
[15:53] <Neo4> when I remove all files from .ssh I can't connect
[15:55] <Neo4> behavior
[15:55] <Neo4> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GCpBYGSQvT/
[15:55] <Neo4> key in temp and I do ssh -i alkjsdflasjfs and it connects
[15:58] <tomreyn> you will have the key cached in your ssh agent
[15:58] <tomreyn> actually no, you're entering the password, so that's how you authenticate
[15:58] <tomreyn> now what is the unexpected part?
[16:00] <tomreyn> okay you're probably surpised that you need to enter the password one time but not the other time. that's unrelated to ssh key but just because your password is being cached.
[16:00] <Neo4> before it wasn't so
[16:00] <Neo4> I remember always entering password
[16:01] <Neo4> or key
[16:01] <Neo4> on vmware only working so
[16:01] <Neo4> ok
[16:01] <tomreyn> run with -vv if you want to know what is happening
[16:01] <Neo4> ssh -vv -i key ?
[16:03] <Neo4> this output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Qmg7GTphx/
[16:07] <Neo4> not understandable, I'd rather test on real comp than on VM
[16:09] <blackflow> so what's the problem? you connected fine it seems?
[16:25] <Neo4> blackflow: wrong, It shouldn't have connected
[16:25] <Neo4> key is not correct
[16:25] <Neo4> anyway I lost all my work for today
[16:25] <Neo4> :(
[16:25] <Neo4> overwrited accidantely on old version :( :( :(
[16:28] <blackflow> Neo4: it's using the key from the agent:  "debug2: key: neo@neo.ru (0x55872d37b3f0), agent"
[16:29] <Neo4> blackflow: where that key is placed?
[16:29] <blackflow> Neo4: note that -i does not force only that one key... ssh is trying every key from the configured set.
[16:29] <Neo4> and do you know how to recover overwritten files?
[16:29] <Neo4> I did scripts that instlal swap and a few others and all removed
[16:31] <blackflow> you can't recover overwritten blocks, only *MAYBE* undelete, assuming nothing was written after the delete.
[16:31] <blackflow> sounds like it's time to restore from backups.
[16:32] <Neo4> blackflow: I recalled I removed folder vps_install and then load old version, confused
[16:32] <Neo4> blackflow: files aren't overwritten, they are removed
[16:32] <Neo4> I need soem app that will allow to see removed files on disk
[16:33] <blackflow> there's extundelete for ext filesystems.
[16:33] <blackflow> !info extundelete
[16:57] <Neo4> can't,
[16:58] <Neo4> I removed folder and put on her place other folder
[16:58] <Neo4> the same
[16:58] <Neo4> using filezila
[17:26] <Neo4> if you remove file and then put file with the same name it might now show
[17:26] <Neo4> testdisk doesn't see even files that is placed to trush
[17:26] <Neo4> I removed in filezila, it puts not to trash
[17:27] <Neo4> doesn't matter, all disappeared :(. Will rewrite new shell
[17:27] <Neo4> ((((
[22:58] <Neo4> my shell script for add/remove swap
[22:58] <Neo4> https://gist.github.com/kselax/556846637900bd7dc380d09e4d2621b4
[22:58] <Neo4> recreated
[22:59] <Neo4> having recreated script
[22:59] <Neo4> I am afraid to lost again script
[22:59] <Neo4> :)
[23:00] <Neo4> I did it by following on this instruction
[23:00] <Neo4> https://support.rackspace.com/how-to/create-a-linux-swap-file/
[23:02] <tomreyn> maybe you should have backups. and a git repository
[23:06] <Neo4> tomreyn: If I put all script on git repository everybody will know how I set up server. This need to keep in secret for security
[23:07] <Neo4> open-source and security... What? :) :)
[23:07] <Neo4> recalled phrase from youtube video about linux violate community )
[23:11] <tomreyn> you need to keep passwords and key material away from prying eyes, but not usually anything else.
[23:12] <tomreyn> also, there are private git repositories.
[23:18] <Neo4> tomreyn: for private need pay, there free only public
[23:18] <Neo4> yes, shell scripts is very important things, Need carefully keep them
[23:21] <tomreyn> Neo4: you can host private ones yourself, also bitbucket got them for free.
[23:22] <Neo4> :)
[23:23] <Neo4> I have five usb flash, better do offline back up
[23:24] <tomreyn> usb flash storage is no backup storage. use hdds.
[23:25] <Neo4> tomreyn: ok, have desktop computer with 2 hdds