| zcot | Hi. I'm stuck, from information overload. I've read way too many articles, guides and tutorials in the past few weeks. -wanting to get involved, but I'm just stuck. The packaging guides seems broken, I guess? I'm hoping someone can nudge me out of this stalemate. Is there any functioning guide to package a Hello World type of project where there is no upstream? Anybody up to chat for a few minutes or direct me to an appropriate place? | 02:20 |
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| tsimonq2 | zcot: Hey there, still around? | 03:11 |
| zcot | tsimonq2: yep. Hi. | 03:11 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: So, you're wanting to get involved in Ubuntu Development, or you want to just learn about packaging for something else? | 03:11 |
| tsimonq2 | Either way, I'm willing to point you in the right direction. :) | 03:12 |
| tsimonq2 | (Because if it's the former of the two, this is absolutely the right place.) | 03:13 |
| zcot | Well, I've done hobby programming for years. And just looking to get deeper into the debian/ubuntu system. I have done a simple program and figured I'd just run that through the process to learn about it. | 03:14 |
| tsimonq2 | Sure. Programming isn't exactly packaging; it's different in both spots. | 03:16 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: Got a link to your program anywhere? | 03:16 |
| tsimonq2 | (Or is it just something you have locally?) | 03:17 |
| zcot | Maybe I just try to learn how to do a ppa? probably with a botched packaging attempt? lol. -since I'm not getting the info right, I keep getting bad version or attempts that just fail with some bzr plugin or something. | 03:17 |
| tsimonq2 | The package guide needs some tidying up because you don't need Bazaar to do anything with a PPA. :) | 03:17 |
| zcot | I do have it on github: https://github.com/zcot/list-apt-installs | 03:18 |
| zcot | yea, I'm kinda questioning myself about that.. there's bzr, git, cvs, I mean I see that there's various tools to integrate with launchpad. I'm scratching my head about it.. at the fork of these things. | 03:19 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: Do you have some packaging yet? | 03:21 |
| zcot | I did actually "build a .deb". and it did turn around and install correctly with the package manager. But I don't understand it.. I didn't have any make file in it. I just put a 'install' file in /debian and copying things. | 03:21 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh. | 03:22 |
| zcot | tsimonq2: no, not really. I've played with it in various ways a bunch of times. using debian dh_make, or trying through bzr plugin.. or found a guide where you just create /debian and add 4 files. | 03:23 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: Here's what I would do if I were you (and I'm willing to help). Use dh_make in a fresh directory, after putting your source code in a .tar.gz file. Then, use https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ to understand and sort through things. | 03:24 |
| tsimonq2 | I usually just rm debian/*{ex,EX} debian/README.* | 03:25 |
| tsimonq2 | That leaves (pretty much) the core files that you can tweak. | 03:25 |
| zcot | so, the idea is to do an out-of-tree situation. it's not about actual building in the source? | 03:25 |
| tsimonq2 | Right. | 03:25 |
| tsimonq2 | So, you tar up your source, then dh_make will prompt you for that tar. | 03:25 |
| zcot | ok, so that's been confusing to me all along. | 03:26 |
| tsimonq2 | Maybe this might have been confusing you... there's two different types of "main" packages. You *can* do the debian packaging with the tarball, but that assumes that you're shipping the upstream right into these sources. | 03:27 |
| tsimonq2 | If you want to do other packaging for other distros, it's recommended to separate it. | 03:27 |
| tsimonq2 | Separating it is the method which is typically used and the one that I'm recommending you use. | 03:27 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: When you have your packaging, mind throwing it somewhere so I can take a look? | 03:29 |
| zcot | tsimonq2: ok. let me ask. when i tar up the source. what actually is that? that would be pre-configure state? correct? in my case, only cmake configuration file(and docs and such).. no binary/makefiles/object, etc? | 03:29 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: `git clone https://github.com/zcot/list-apt-installs.git && tar cvf list-apt-installs.tar list-apt-installs` :) | 03:30 |
| zcot | right there. ok. ;) | 03:30 |
| zcot | tsimonq2: so, then I'll need to understand the .. probably.. /debian/rules file. | 03:35 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: So, try taking a peek at the debian/rules file | 03:39 |
| tsimonq2 | Let me find you a few examples real quick | 03:39 |
| zcot | I can do an attempt with the /debian stuff as far as I understand it, which I think is ok, except for probably version, maybe (native) or (quilt) thing. But that's just info, so the action stuff though. I got nothing. the cmake file needs to be called. the /usr/local/docs stuff. /man. | 03:40 |
| zcot | yea, that would be great, because I only see some macro thing maybe from dh_make which is.. I have no clue even. O_O | 03:40 |
| tsimonq2 | (native) or (quilt) is what I described earlier with the tarball. Native is baked in with the source and Quilt is with a separate tar. | 03:40 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: Here's a cmake-based package I maintain in Debian: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/extras/vc/blob/master/debian/rules | 03:41 |
| tsimonq2 | Feel free to take whatever you'd like from there. | 03:41 |
| zcot | yea.. lol O_O | 03:41 |
| zcot | Ok. | 03:42 |
| tsimonq2 | It's a bit complex, but once you get the moving parts and what they do, it's easy. :) | 03:42 |
| tsimonq2 | When in doubt, consult the Debian Policy Manual. :D | 03:42 |
| zcot | Alright, so I just gave up really on the /debian stuff before I committed to github. But I'll go ahead with that part, and I think with all the reading and guides I have I should be able to get really close anyway. ;) | 03:44 |
| zcot | tsimonq2: Thank you. I appreciate it. | 03:48 |
| tsimonq2 | zcot: No problem, anytime. :) | 03:49 |
| * tsimonq2 goes to bed, ping with any more questions if you have them. :) | 03:59 | |
| zcot | Hi tsimonq2, I made an attempt at a package and. there were a couple warnings and errors, but i do end up with a .deb. and the orig.tar.gz source, and debian.tar.xz required and control stuff, and the .dsc lists both of those packages but the .deb only installs the /usr/share/doc stuff so that's not right. But it was kinda cool anyway. lol. I don't end up with any diff around that package. had to rename /debian to /DEBIAN or vice-versa and the local | 23:18 |
| zcot | directory ends up being some weird recursive debian debian stack of things.. I have no clue what I'm doing really. Anyway, I'll keep plugging away. | 23:18 |
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