[04:45] good morning to all [04:45] everyone had a nice weekend? [06:29] good morning [06:43] hey ducasse had a good weekend? [06:45] hi lotuspsychje - ok, thanks, and you? [06:45] great here ducasse sunny and pretty active [06:46] same here, going to be another hot day [06:48] yeah [06:50] does it get hot in the kitchen? [06:51] morning all [06:53] morning EriC^^ - how are you doing? === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [07:56] ducasse: yeah belgium is always 'heavy' heat due humidity [07:56] in dryer countrys like spain, its more lightweight [07:57] not far from the sea here neither === guiver_d is now known as guiverc [10:42] Hey folks [10:43] yo BluesKaj , I hope you are having a great morning. [10:43] \o [10:44] Hey JimBuntu , good so far, with morning coffee. How about you? [10:44] Hey daftykins [10:45] Good here so far, refilled my tea, ready to rock [10:46] gonna give powerline ethernet a try sometime today. if the adapter kit is delivered on time. [10:47] just an elcheapo, but according to what i've read they work quite well. [10:50] Thay can work well, especially if the circuit is all within the same circuit breaker. I haven't used the tech in quite a while, ince upon a time X10 made great stuff using it. [10:51] * JimBuntu realizes it's probably been 20 years.... [10:54] JimBuntu, i've read that they can work thru sub or pony panels too...we're gonna try it in my band mates garage/jam space. if it doesn't work there I'll just set it up here for my old bedroom pc [10:55] I am sure they have made vast improvements since I last used it. That, mixed with a wireless mesh could be amazing. [10:55] BluesKaj: which kit are you using? i find the expensive TP-link one to be actually pretty competitive [10:56] shame it doesn't support VLANs yet :P [10:56] it's the cheapest tp-link available [10:57] yeah, they're a good start [10:58] I can't wait until aprtment complex owners start using this instead of WiFi... or hotels. [11:01] https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5034_TL-PA4010-KIT.html [11:04] Hospitals can't due to the clean power restrictions they have on their circuits [11:04] wireless mesh is a fad imo, why hop wirelessly when you can just lay a cable/use powerline and put access points on the end :) [11:09] daftykins, my stuff is mainly wired, less a laptop and tablets. [11:26] same [11:29] oh yeah i do too, but i'm really commenting on the industry there - as these mesh setups seem to be gaining popularity with some [11:30] granted the situation becomes very different when you don't have the option to lay cable, such as if you're renting perhaps - but eh [11:30] * daftykins sips a flat white [11:35] daftykins, help a western bloke out, what's a "flat white" ? Is that a non-sparkling wine... or perhaps a coffee of sorts? [11:35] a coffee! must admit i have no idea what it's premise is though, i just see it on the menu and it tastes ok :> [11:36] Ah, ok. I imagine that it has a fair amount of cream in it.... hence the "white" label. [11:37] I was thinking "It's a bit ealry for wine, outside of France, that is." [11:40] it's nearly 22:40 by my clock; you're welcome to use my clock JimBuntu :) [11:40] guiverc, I knew you were far away, didn't realize you were that far. [11:41] hehe [11:41] Kiwi? [11:42] nah - aussie :) (melbourne) [11:42] OMGosh, please tell me you are on FiJi! [11:42] ooh, a mate lived there for a couple of years [11:43] Oh, Ok. So many Aussies on IRC. It's disproportionate. [11:43] when i was a kid everyone online seemed to be a teenager from California [11:43] yup, lots of the 5 eyes [11:44] daftykins: flat white is a latte with less milk [11:44] is that 2 for regular looking, BluesKaj , and 3 for all the things that wanna kill you? [11:44] * Allie` doesn't like a lot of milk in their coffee but also doesn't drink espresso for breakfast :P [11:44] maybe the clock in this room is wrong :( i turned off my second screen that has the clock on it; so was going by the time on the clock-radio in the room - it's suddenly an hour earlier ! sorry [11:44] guiverc, no worries, I figured my maths was off. [11:45] they had cheap long dustance phone rates in calif [11:45] Allie`: ah-ha [11:45] Allie, I had a request in to my wifes friend from London to determine what a flat white was... need to cancel that ticket, lol [11:46] :P [11:46] one of the better trendy coffees, imo [11:46] JimBuntu, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes [11:46] i live about 10m from our 'high street' in the centre of town, so i'm spoilt by many cafe options for a takeaway lunch :) [11:46] maybe its the long distances in aussieland - irc is a way to speak to your neighbor (you know the one 12km down the road......) [not me; I'm in the suburbs of a big city... like most I bet) [11:48] How is it... that *I* end up being the one living far from the cities, even when talking to Aussies?! [11:48] many benefits (probably) living in city daftykins, but I like wildlife, like trees so glad I'm not in a city :) [11:49] oh it's not a city, i'm on a small island :) [11:49] You're just lucky JimBuntu - i'm often thinking of moving further away from the city; this used to be the 'outskirts' of the city; alas hasn't been for years... [11:49] https://goo.gl/maps/xVUE4DMHLyt <-- [11:50] guiverc, we are also thinking of moving, as people keep moving closer. Perhaps it's time for that remote park ranger job. [11:50] I'm 400KM North of Toronto, practically the North Pole the way they see things , most city ppl I know are geographically challenged :-) [11:51] Geez daftykins , you might as well be IN France! Lucky dog. [11:51] short ferry ride ;) [11:51] i might try and drop by Toronto later this year when i come over stateside again [11:52] i live in an island too :) alas not small... daftykins [11:52] best of bothworlds eh daftykins [11:52] been meaning to meet up with two of the guys i chat to there [11:52] park ranger job sounds cool Jim :) [11:53] guiverc, It's been a bit of a dream for the wifey and I. We almost did it before the urge for kiddies set in. Be those people who watch out for forest fires &c [11:54] This convo is on-topic because I just said "Ubuntu", btw [11:54] there's a game of that :) http://www.firewatchgame.com/ [11:55] hehehe [11:55] :) yeah I too would love that job; alas not the $s of other choices I fear... [11:55] This machine I use for IRC is so maxed out on resources, took like 30 seconds to load the URL, lol, thanks Ubuntu for keeping this machine useful [11:55] I live on the edge of the forest here in my little town ..well a few farms etc but a lot of bush and lakes too [11:55] step 1 lay fiber to the watch tower, step 2 work for years to pay it off [11:56] I have heard of this game. Didn't remember until I saw the front page. [11:56] BluesKaj, You too are lucky. Wherever I go, I don't want my walk to a large river to be any longer than now... 300 paces is enough for me. [11:57] 300 paces isn't much, if the river floods though.... (don't you suffered floods?) [11:58] maybe 299 are downhill :D [11:58] hill would help somewhat ! [11:58] guiverc, We do not suffer, luckily, about 200 of those paces are down a steep hill. [11:58] called it \o/ :D [11:58] yup, daftykins ! [11:59] :) I recall lots of helping family after floods, they lived near rivers, and remember the sandbags etc each year... [11:59] There are homes about 1.5 km away... that are built about 3 feet above the average water level of the lake that is fed from the river.... they suffer, about every year [12:00] yeah i'm about half a KM from a river in one direction and about 2KM from a lake in the other [12:00] but were a good 20M above the river here [12:02] I like living near the water, just about the right distance from the lake... since it's an all-sports lake... a.k.a. Party Lake that has lots of noise come summer. [12:03] I need to request some official Ubuntu pamphlets. I could pass them out or leave a floating thingy on the lake. Grow some converts. [12:04] lol, buy a gross of USB flash drives... load them up... but would people really insert a random flash drive they find?... Yes, yes they would. [12:05] guaranteed :D [12:05] Yep most would... [12:05] when i was working in a school once, a colleague plugged in a students one and hosed the machine he worked from - before he left for the day he kicked it off on a reinstall xD [12:05] i always had a Linux laptop beside me for tinkering so i'd have just sorted it out that way [12:06] I'm the paranoid one... so a while back when I was at HQ and required a couple people to bring me flash drives for key exchanges... they made sure to wipe/zero their drives and were hesitant to plug them into their systems,lol [12:09] "He could be testing us, protocol says we have to scan these first, for malware..." [12:09] the wonderful MSWindows environment [12:10] there's nothing wrong with it, just a lot of idiots who can't even drive it properly :) [12:10] These were Mac users, but same difference. [12:10] they're bit safer, but probly snobby cool [12:11] have to be wealthy to pay 5x more for older hardware :D [12:11] lol. daftykins that's all our company used for non-cloud machines. [12:11] s/used/uses [12:12] dishing out macbook pros to staff, is it? [12:12] Yessir [12:13] i'm sure it minimises the efforts of support a fair amount, but the way Apple has moved to soldered on SSDs means there's a fair few more considerations for keeping a staffers data safe [12:13] ran into a few of those at a party ..told them about how mostly every app on linux is free ...by the looks I was getting I could tell they didn'tn beleive it [12:13] daftykins, I am with you 1000%. I don't mind not having to answer Windows questions any more though. [12:14] BluesKaj, I am the ugly duckling... as I use Ubuntu instead of macOS. I don't bother trying to convert staff though. [12:15] it doesn't really matter that it's free in cost, because it takes you time to convert - so it depends what your time is worth :) [12:15] I don't bother trying to convert my friends, most are phone addicted now anyway [12:16] even the older guys like me [12:16] mmm i see a lot that aren't bothering with a PC anymore [12:16] i think it's because typically their PCs are crap and run badly, but since they may've needed a phone anyway they now have a pretty fast experience with a smartphone [12:16] oh man, this tale may amuse you folks [12:16] mobile is where it's at... bring on the masses of Ubuntu phones already [12:17] one of my clients left a flash drive with some important data on it down in their holiday home abroad - so they asked a friends son if he wouldn't mind copying the data from it and sending it [12:17] JimBuntu, i thought Canaonical gave up on the Ubuntu Phone [12:17] he used WinRAR, created a spanned archive (for no apparent reason) then shared it across some weird Spanish encrypted file sharing service xD [12:18] but instead of being a single email it was one email per spanned archive, so she had no idea what to do and called me in [12:18] BluesKaj, I suggest they re-up on it... it's either that, or play follow the leader like Android. [12:18] cue me piecing together these multiple emails to get them back together - then there was a password across the archive too, sheesh - that lad needs a lesson in practical approaches :> [12:18] daftykins, lol. WinRAR... I always liked ARJ [12:19] JimBuntu, if the phone was affordable , I'd probly buy one [12:19] not familiar with that one, though i've heard of an ARC recently which is meant to be a Linux implementation for choosing the best tech out of zip/rar/7zip [12:20] imo phones aren't about the initial cost, it's whether the software will keep getting supported [12:20] nice, as they do have their differences. 7zip is becoming the standard, imho === kallesbar_ is now known as kallesbar [12:21] daftykins, I don't use aphone for much other than as a phone with a camera :-) [12:22] i think that's the way it starts, but once more things become convenient you never know, you might begin reaching for it for more! :D [12:23] well ido google some things when we get into music discussions at our jams [12:24] :D [12:24] who wrote that tune etc [12:26] just to settle disagreements mostly, because we have a lot of those ...fortunatly one our guitar players is a walking encyclopedia about rock and country [12:29] he and his brothers used to get into fist fights over who wrote this and that ...had break them up more than once :-) [12:29] haha, bit petty [12:30] no it was serious business to them [12:31] one of them still has over 5000 vinyl albums in his collection [12:31] yikes [12:31] yup, 4 or 5 albums every payday foryrs [12:34] anyway it's still nice to hear vinyl despite the odd crackle and pop [12:35] i've never heard one on a proper setup, but having heard you have to actually clean the things to ensure playback is good - that's me out instantly [12:37] yeah no digital sampling correction there..and .analog has become expensive now [12:48] speaking of phones tho, I'll be in the market for one soon, this little alcatel is too small for my fingers [12:53] ah har [12:54] after something simple, or will you be forced to move to a smartphone? [12:57] well, it is a smartphone, but it's using a realy old android OS and it has a small screen [12:58] ah right [12:58] alcatel idle one mini [12:59] err idol one :-) [13:00] :D [13:00] i just chose the moto g6 play dual SIM for someone [13:00] she's finally retiring her 2009 nokia 7020 flip phone [13:02] yeah i had a moto flip phone til about 3 yrs ago [13:03] til my wife lost it , so i bought a new one and the same day she found the moto in the bottom her purse :-) [13:03] https://www.amazon.ca/Motorola-XT1922-5-Factory-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B07CHWTWYP/ [13:04] yikes that was only £150 here [13:04] ah marketplace seller, eww [13:04] the new one was the little alcatel at 100bucks [13:08] daftykins, our buck is only 78 cents US ...the money markets love screwing us, because our currency is like petro dollar to them [13:08] mmm, we use England's pound so i was on xe.com converting it :> [13:08] came out to £190 so not too far off but still a large % [13:09] yup [13:10] BluesKaj, one of the small joys of not bring retired... I haven't payed for a phone in ~20 years [13:10] s/bring/being [13:11] some of the US rust belt border cities accept our dollar at par just to increase their business [13:11] Wow, I haven't heard of that in a long time. [13:12] buffa for examplelo and detroit [13:12] buffalo [13:12] oops [13:12] a mate lives in Sault Ste Marie, he says the folks over the bridge pop over for some low tax shopping :D [13:14] oh yeah, lots ...the Ontario "Soo" as it's known locally keeps the Michigan side going [13:14] *nod* [13:15] and i thought us Guernsey folk had people beat for pronouncing things nowhere near how they're written [13:15] altho the stell plant on the ontario side is gonna suffer duie to Trumps misguided idiotic 25% tarif on steel [13:16] scuse the poor spelling, guess spellcheck was turned off [13:20] I don't worry about such things here. [13:22] JimBuntu, you're a pretty good speller..so am I usually, but my typing skills suck :-) [13:23] Thanks, my typing skills could use improving. Although I type fairly well by touch only, I still find myself looking down way too often. [13:25] i never got good at the number row's symbols touch typing, but i type fine enough without a glance [13:26] my 9th grade typing teacher gave me a passing grade in her class as long as I didn't elect her class the next yr :-) [13:29] I'm a great touch typist, my issue is I often switch the meaning of my sentence unintentionally by forgetting my word contractions [13:30] "Keyboarding" class... lol. That was fun. Teacher hated that I didn't use the "home row"... I use the wrong fingers for so many things. I type with basically 4 fingers and 1 thumb. with the other thumb held down as an achor. [13:30] despite being taught the touch typing technique I'm still a hant and peck guy [13:31] hunt and peck ;-) [13:31] hant and peck + hunt and peck = haunt and peck! Sounds super fun to me! [13:31] yeah I'm haunted by it [13:32] boogie woogie boo [13:32] yeah i won't be told how to type either, just do it [13:33] I learned my typing skills as a youngster using the Commodore 64, that keyboard was big for my wee hands at the time. Muscle Memory is hard to retrain it seems. [13:35] I don't use the right fingers for most of the keys. I use the finger that is closest to the key I need at the time I need it... sometimes it's the right finger for the key, sometimes it's not. My left pinky is almost always anchored on shift though [13:35] same :D [13:36] i do have to giggle if i see folk who toggle caps lock for a single cap [13:36] I shattered my right pinky as a child ( nothing soft about softball ) as a young'one. So I don't use it for anything. Crushed bone only heals to much. [13:36] I've done that when I'm single hand typing. what irks me the most is Lenovo keyboards though. swapping the function key and the ctrl key around [13:37] I know your pain pragmaticenigma, when it comes to Lenovos... try mixing Lenovo + MacBook + normal... [13:38] I find the swap more annoying on the laptops... regular keybaord doesn't bother me as much. [13:40] as long as i've got super and my alts, i'm good :> [13:40] I really didn't start using a keyboard until the early 80s when my job required using instrument application based computers, so learning to type again (even hunt and peck) at 40 wasn't much fun. [13:46] I've never had much luck with the super in linux... just doesn't always seem to work, even with standard simple keyboards [13:47] Really? I don't use it much, only to bring up Dash search, once in a blue moon... but it works for me in that respect. I can't speak outside of Ubuntu though as I decided a number of years ago not to play with other distros ( unless I build them myself ). [13:53] build from scratch JimBuntu or build like gentoo? [14:01] trying gentoo 10 yrs ago was a (WTF?) mistake, it scared nme off for life i thinkl [14:02] as the saying goes, no country for old men :-) [14:06] BluesKaj, Build from scratch or BuildRoot type stuff [14:06] i find it an inefficient use of resources, conceptually [14:07] daftykins, Gentoo, for sure. For embedded systems with highly limited resources, it's OK [14:07] *nod* [14:08] hmm, never seen icons freeze in the task manager before..had to reboot [14:08] late morning to all. Thunderstorm woke me, thank the gods [14:09] Great morning hggdh ! [14:10] 'Morning hggdh [14:10] a cold rainy day here [14:10] a hot rainy day here :-) [14:11] or, in other words: Texas sucks [14:12] Northern Ontario isn't much fun right now either, swarming with blackflies this time of yr..mosuitos will be here next :/ [14:13] mosquitos even [14:13] :S [14:13] so glad we don't get many [14:13] and we have the 10 yr cycle of the tent caterpillar swarms too [14:14] some birds love it , other won't touch them [14:14] others [14:14] I put a fly trap in the backyard last week, it is still going, and now has about 3cm of dead flies in it [14:14] (I mean depth) [14:14] wowzer [14:15] what is this fly trap? [14:16] but one good thing, I've seen a lot more bees than in past yrs [14:16] crap i cant even type anymore, both my wrists have 2cm balls swollen on each side of my palm O.o [14:18] can one use a gpu with a laptop? [14:19] EriC^, external GPU? Sure can. [14:19] there are outboard gpus [14:19] how difficult is it? [14:19] what do i search for to buy? [14:21] As far as I have heard, it's basically plug and play as much as any internal GPU. Simply need to install the correct module(s). afaik, no worse than normal NVidia headaches. [14:21] well you first have to check if you have thunderbolt / express card [14:23] EriC^, this has an annoying video accompanying the text , but it looks useful https://www.pcworld.com/article/2984716/laptop-computers/how-to-transform-your-laptop-into-a-gaming-powerhouse-with-an-external-graphics-card.html [14:24] it seems you connect it to the place the wifi card is usually connected in the laptop [14:24] does that make sense? [14:25] sounds like an express port [14:25] no it doesn't [14:25] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q4VMLF6/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me= [14:25] lol, this computer is so slow right now.... fully utilized resources. [14:26] Yup, mini-PCI Express connection. That's dope. [14:26] honestly it would make far more sense to just buy a cheap older generation desktop [14:26] that's a really terrible idea :) [14:26] it's only $50 though [14:27] but, I like lots of fragile cables running out of my "netbook" lol [14:27] motherboard + ram + hdd + i7 cpu would cost like $500+ [14:27] i could run it on the older hp laptop i have, it's an i7 4core with 6gb ram and an ssd [14:27] but you don't need to buy new is what i just said [14:27] ah i cant find used stuff here easily [14:28] EriC^: it is a plastic packet with an entry point, and some powder insider. You fill it half-way with water, and hang outside [14:28] nah it's totally impractical, even if you did have the slot and the design of your laptop let you trail the cable outside - you've got to know that you only get about 75% of the performance of a graphics card when attached externally - and that's with proper thunderbolt enclosures [14:28] hggdh: aha, pretty effective [14:28] oh [14:29] thought itd be 100% [14:29] you have to buy a graphics card *and* a desktop PSU to run that adapter you linked, too [14:29] indeed it is. More than I expected. Side result, though, is that it seems the flies call their friends to the party. So you have to hang the packet farther from the door... [14:29] i would be willing to bet both Linux and Windows would be nightmares to run with that, too [14:30] heh [14:30] this is a crazy idea, i wonder if i could use the ps4 gpu to game on the pc [14:31] well the game is on the consoles too, be easier to just play it there :) [14:32] i dont like the controller in it, i tried hooking up a keyboard and it kinda works it lags a little though [14:33] (the mouse lags) [14:34] mmm not designed for it [14:34] yeah [14:35] there's the software that lets you use your PS4 over the network from a PC too, but i don't know what influence that has on input devices [14:37] right, brb === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [22:46] AI gets better every full moon [22:51] heh [22:53] artificial lack of intelligence. [22:54] hggdh and tomreyn: Hi and thanks for your reply. ... Answer or reply soon. Thanks again : ) [22:54] perhaps this is why he got booted from the mint channels? [22:56] Noooooooooooooo... mint channels never ban AFAIK [22:56] theh are just saying they won't go back, not clear if they've been kicked to me [22:57] I did not say kicked :-) [22:57] i think it is an IRC bot that came with the illegal guitar-pro-6 of arooni [22:57] :-D [22:57] nacc: he has been warned enough. Let's see what happens now [22:58] hggdh: ack [23:05] patience -=1; if (patience < 0) then finish; [23:05] lets send an invite from ##linux then? [23:05] heh [23:06] might even work. Is ##linux +r, or not? [23:07] err .. not sure how to do that in hexcaht.. [23:08] * ##linux :You're not a channel operator [23:08] /mode will reply with the channel modes in effect [23:09] and it is not +r, so he can go there [23:10] but inviting him wont work. maybe we can create ##linux-invitation-for-berwyn and setup channel forwarding on it to ##linux [23:10] and then invite him [23:10] Mode ##linux [+CLPcnptf] [23:10] too much effort [23:10] ##ubuntu-for-mint-users [23:11] & wsl [23:11] ##mint-support-for-mint-users-who-ask-for-ubuntu-support [23:11] LOL [23:11] double ## good [23:12] well, wil walk the dogs now. I will see what happened when I am back [23:48] oerheks: please do not respond [23:49] sigh. He was going out finally... [23:50] Thanks, but he is "berwyn!*@* added to ignore list." [23:50] heh. It works [23:57] this works better [23:58] unfortunately it does [23:59] and now we will have to deal with the (potential) fallout