[04:45] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> everyone had a nice weekend?
[06:29] <ducasse> good morning
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse had a good weekend?
[06:45] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - ok, thanks, and you?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> great here ducasse sunny and pretty active
[06:46] <ducasse> same here, going to be another hot day
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:50] <ducasse> does it get hot in the kitchen?
[06:51] <EriC^^> morning all
[06:53] <ducasse> morning EriC^^ - how are you doing?
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah belgium is always 'heavy' heat due humidity
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> in dryer countrys like spain, its more lightweight
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> not far from the sea here neither
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:43] <JimBuntu> yo BluesKaj , I hope you are having a great morning.
[10:43] <daftykins> \o
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hey JimBuntu , good so far, with morning coffee. How about you?
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hey daftykins
[10:45] <JimBuntu> Good here so far, refilled my tea, ready to rock
[10:46] <BluesKaj> gonna give powerline ethernet a try sometime today. if the adapter kit is delivered on time.
[10:47] <BluesKaj> just an elcheapo, but according to what i've read they work quite well.
[10:50] <JimBuntu> Thay can work well, especially if the circuit is all within the same circuit breaker. I haven't used the tech in quite a while, ince upon a time X10 made great stuff using it.
[10:51]  * JimBuntu realizes it's probably been 20 years....
[10:54] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, i've read that they can work thru sub or pony panels too...we're gonna try it in my band mates garage/jam space. if it doesn't work there I'll just set it up here for my old bedroom pc
[10:55] <JimBuntu> I am sure they have made vast improvements since I last used it. That, mixed with a wireless mesh could be amazing.
[10:55] <Allie`> BluesKaj: which kit are you using? i find the expensive TP-link one to be actually pretty competitive
[10:56] <Allie`> shame it doesn't support VLANs yet :P
[10:56] <BluesKaj> it's the cheapest tp-link available
[10:57] <Allie`> yeah, they're a good start
[10:58] <JimBuntu> I can't wait until aprtment complex owners start using this instead of WiFi... or hotels.
[11:01] <BluesKaj> https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5034_TL-PA4010-KIT.html
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hospitals can't due to the clean power restrictions they have on their circuits
[11:04] <daftykins> wireless mesh is a fad imo, why hop wirelessly when you can just lay a cable/use powerline and put access points on the end :)
[11:09] <JimBuntu> daftykins, my stuff is mainly wired, less a laptop and tablets.
[11:26] <BluesKaj> same
[11:29] <daftykins> oh yeah i do too, but i'm really commenting on the industry there - as these mesh setups seem to be gaining popularity with some
[11:30] <daftykins> granted the situation becomes very different when you don't have the option to lay cable, such as if you're renting perhaps - but eh
[11:30]  * daftykins sips a flat white
[11:35] <JimBuntu> daftykins, help a western bloke out, what's a "flat white" ? Is that a non-sparkling wine... or perhaps a coffee of sorts?
[11:35] <daftykins> a coffee! must admit i have no idea what it's premise is though, i just see it on the menu and it tastes ok :>
[11:36] <JimBuntu> Ah, ok. I imagine that it has a fair amount of cream in it.... hence the "white" label.
[11:37] <JimBuntu> I was thinking "It's a bit ealry for wine, outside of France, that is."
[11:40] <guiverc> it's nearly 22:40 by my clock; you're welcome to use my clock JimBuntu :)
[11:40] <JimBuntu> guiverc, I knew you were far away, didn't realize you were that far.
[11:41] <daftykins> hehe
[11:41] <JimBuntu> Kiwi?
[11:42] <guiverc> nah - aussie :)  (melbourne)
[11:42] <JimBuntu> OMGosh, please tell me you are on FiJi!
[11:42] <daftykins> ooh, a mate lived there for a couple of years
[11:43] <JimBuntu> Oh, Ok. So many Aussies on IRC. It's disproportionate.
[11:43] <daftykins> when i was a kid everyone online seemed to be a teenager from California
[11:43] <BluesKaj> yup, lots of the 5 eyes
[11:44] <Allie`> daftykins: flat white is a latte with less milk
[11:44] <JimBuntu> is that 2 for regular looking, BluesKaj , and 3 for all the things that wanna kill you?
[11:44]  * Allie` doesn't like a lot of milk in their coffee but also doesn't drink espresso for breakfast :P 
[11:44] <guiverc> maybe the clock in this room is wrong :(   i turned off my second screen that has the clock on it; so was going by the time on the clock-radio in the room - it's suddenly an hour earlier ! sorry
[11:44] <JimBuntu> guiverc,  no worries, I figured my maths was off.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> they had cheap long dustance phone rates in calif
[11:45] <daftykins> Allie`: ah-ha
[11:45] <JimBuntu> Allie, I had a request in to my wifes friend from London to determine what a flat white was... need to cancel that ticket, lol
[11:46] <Allie`> :P
[11:46] <Allie`> one of the better trendy coffees, imo
[11:46] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
[11:46] <daftykins> i live about 10m from our 'high street' in the centre of town, so i'm spoilt by many cafe options for a takeaway lunch :)
[11:46] <guiverc> maybe its the long distances in aussieland - irc is a way to speak to your neighbor  (you know the one 12km down the road......)   [not me; I'm in the suburbs of a big city... like most I bet)
[11:48] <JimBuntu> How is it... that *I* end up being the one living far from the cities, even when talking to Aussies?!
[11:48] <guiverc> many benefits (probably) living in city daftykins, but I like wildlife, like trees so glad I'm not in a city :)
[11:49] <daftykins> oh it's not a city, i'm on a small island :)
[11:49] <guiverc> You're just lucky JimBuntu - i'm often thinking of moving further away from the city; this used to be the 'outskirts' of the city; alas hasn't been for years...
[11:49] <daftykins> https://goo.gl/maps/xVUE4DMHLyt <--
[11:50] <JimBuntu> guiverc, we are also thinking of moving, as people keep moving closer. Perhaps it's time for that remote park ranger job.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I'm 400KM North of Toronto, practically the North Pole  the way they see things , most city ppl I know are geographically challenged :-)
[11:51] <JimBuntu> Geez daftykins , you might as well be IN France! Lucky dog.
[11:51] <daftykins> short ferry ride ;)
[11:51] <daftykins> i might try and drop by Toronto later this year when i come over stateside again
[11:52] <guiverc> i live in an island too :) alas not small... daftykins
[11:52] <BluesKaj> best of bothworlds eh daftykins
[11:52] <daftykins> been meaning to meet up with two of the guys i chat to there
[11:52] <guiverc> park ranger job sounds cool Jim :)
[11:53] <JimBuntu> guiverc, It's been a bit of a dream for the wifey and I.  We almost did it before the urge for kiddies set in. Be those people who watch out for forest fires &c
[11:54] <JimBuntu> This convo is on-topic because I just said "Ubuntu", btw
[11:54] <daftykins> there's a game of that :) http://www.firewatchgame.com/
[11:55] <daftykins> hehehe
[11:55] <guiverc> :)  yeah I too would love that job; alas not the $s of other choices I fear...
[11:55] <JimBuntu> This machine I use for IRC is so maxed out on resources, took like 30 seconds to load the URL, lol, thanks Ubuntu for keeping this machine useful
[11:55] <BluesKaj> I live on the edge of the forest here in my little town ..well a few farms etc but a lot of bush and lakes too
[11:55] <daftykins> step 1 lay fiber to the watch tower, step 2 work for years to pay it off
[11:56] <JimBuntu> I have heard of this game. Didn't remember until I saw the front page.
[11:56] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, You too are lucky. Wherever I go, I don't want my walk to a large river to be any longer than now... 300 paces is enough for me.
[11:57] <guiverc> 300 paces isn't much, if the river floods though.... (don't you suffered floods?)
[11:58] <daftykins> maybe 299 are downhill :D
[11:58] <guiverc> hill would help somewhat !
[11:58] <JimBuntu> guiverc,  We do not suffer, luckily, about 200 of those paces are down a steep hill.
[11:58] <daftykins> called it \o/ :D
[11:58] <JimBuntu> yup, daftykins !
[11:59] <guiverc> :)  I recall lots of helping family after floods, they lived near rivers, and remember the sandbags etc each year...
[11:59] <JimBuntu> There are homes about 1.5 km away... that are built about 3 feet above the average water level of the lake that is fed from the river.... they suffer, about every year
[12:00] <BluesKaj> yeah i'm about  half a KM from a river in one direction and about 2KM from a lake in the other
[12:00] <BluesKaj> but were a good 20M above the river here
[12:02] <JimBuntu> I like living near the water, just about the right distance from the lake... since it's an all-sports lake... a.k.a. Party Lake that has lots of noise come summer.
[12:03] <JimBuntu> I need to request some official Ubuntu pamphlets. I could pass them out or leave a floating thingy on the lake. Grow some converts.
[12:04] <JimBuntu> lol, buy a gross of USB flash drives... load them up... but would people really insert a random flash drive they find?... Yes, yes they would.
[12:05] <daftykins> guaranteed :D
[12:05] <guiverc> Yep most would...
[12:05] <daftykins> when i was working in a school once, a colleague plugged in a students one and hosed the machine he worked from - before he left for the day he kicked it off on a reinstall xD
[12:05] <daftykins> i always had a Linux laptop beside me for tinkering so i'd have just sorted it out that way
[12:06] <JimBuntu> I'm the paranoid one... so a while back when I was at HQ and required a couple people to bring me flash drives for key exchanges... they made sure to wipe/zero their drives and were hesitant to plug them into their systems,lol
[12:09] <JimBuntu> "He could be testing us, protocol says we have to scan these first, for malware..."
[12:09] <BluesKaj> the wonderful MSWindows environment
[12:10] <daftykins> there's nothing wrong with it, just a lot of idiots who can't even drive it properly :)
[12:10] <JimBuntu> These were Mac users, but same difference.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> they're bit safer, but probly snobby cool
[12:11] <daftykins> have to be wealthy to pay 5x more for older hardware :D
[12:11] <JimBuntu> lol. daftykins  that's all our company used for non-cloud machines.
[12:11] <JimBuntu> s/used/uses
[12:12] <daftykins> dishing out macbook pros to staff, is it?
[12:12] <JimBuntu> Yessir
[12:13] <daftykins> i'm sure it minimises the efforts of support a fair amount, but the way Apple has moved to soldered on SSDs means there's a fair few more considerations for keeping a staffers data safe
[12:13] <BluesKaj> ran into a few of those at a party ..told them about how mostly every app on linux is free ...by the looks I was getting I could tell they didn'tn beleive it
[12:13] <JimBuntu> daftykins, I am with you 1000%. I don't mind not having to answer Windows questions any more though.
[12:14] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I am the ugly duckling... as I use Ubuntu instead of macOS. I don't bother trying to convert staff though.
[12:15] <daftykins> it doesn't really matter that it's free in cost, because it takes you time to convert - so it depends what your time is worth :)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> I don't bother trying to convert my friends, most are phone addicted now anyway
[12:16] <BluesKaj> even the older guys like me
[12:16] <daftykins> mmm i see a lot that aren't bothering with a PC anymore
[12:16] <daftykins> i think it's because typically their PCs are crap and run badly, but since they may've needed a phone anyway they now have a pretty fast experience with a smartphone
[12:16] <daftykins> oh man, this tale may amuse you folks
[12:16] <JimBuntu> mobile is where it's at... bring on the masses of Ubuntu phones already
[12:17] <daftykins> one of my clients left a flash drive with some important data on it down in their holiday home abroad - so they asked a friends son if he wouldn't mind copying the data from it and sending it
[12:17] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, i thought Canaonical gave up on the Ubuntu Phone
[12:17] <daftykins> he used WinRAR, created a spanned archive (for no apparent reason) then shared it across some weird Spanish encrypted file sharing service xD
[12:18] <daftykins> but instead of being a single email it was one email per spanned archive, so she had no idea what to do and called me in
[12:18] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I suggest they re-up on it... it's either that, or play follow the leader like Android.
[12:18] <daftykins> cue me piecing together these multiple emails to get them back together - then there was a password across the archive too, sheesh - that lad needs a lesson in practical approaches :>
[12:18] <JimBuntu> daftykins, lol. WinRAR... I always liked ARJ
[12:19] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, if the phone was affordable , I'd probly buy one
[12:19] <daftykins> not familiar with that one, though i've heard of an ARC recently which is meant to be a Linux implementation for choosing the best tech out of zip/rar/7zip
[12:20] <daftykins> imo phones aren't about the initial cost, it's whether the software will keep getting supported
[12:20] <JimBuntu> nice, as they do have their differences. 7zip is becoming the standard, imho
[12:21] <BluesKaj> daftykins, I don't use aphone for much other than as a phone with a camera :-)
[12:22] <daftykins> i think that's the way it starts, but once more things become convenient you never know, you might begin reaching for it for more! :D
[12:23] <BluesKaj> well ido google some things when we get into music discussions at our jams
[12:24] <daftykins> :D
[12:24] <BluesKaj> who wrote that tune etc
[12:26] <BluesKaj> just to settle disagreements mostly, because we have a lot of those ...fortunatly one our guitar players is a walking encyclopedia about rock and country
[12:29] <BluesKaj> he and his brothers used to get into fist fights over who wrote this and that ...had break them up more than once :-)
[12:29] <daftykins> haha, bit petty
[12:30] <BluesKaj> no it was serious business to them
[12:31] <BluesKaj> one of them still has over 5000 vinyl albums in his collection
[12:31] <daftykins> yikes
[12:31] <BluesKaj> yup, 4 or 5 albums every payday foryrs
[12:34] <BluesKaj> anyway it's still nice to hear vinyl despite the odd crackle and pop
[12:35] <daftykins> i've never heard one on a proper setup, but having heard you have to actually clean the things to ensure playback is good - that's me out instantly
[12:37] <BluesKaj> yeah no digital sampling correction there..and .analog has become expensive now
[12:48] <BluesKaj> speaking of phones tho, I'll be in the market for one soon, this little alcatel is too small for my fingers
[12:53] <daftykins> ah har
[12:54] <daftykins> after something simple, or will you be forced to move to a smartphone?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> well, it is a smartphone, but it's using a realy old android OS and it has a small screen
[12:58] <daftykins> ah right
[12:58] <BluesKaj> alcatel idle one mini
[12:59] <BluesKaj> err idol one :-)
[13:00] <daftykins> :D
[13:00] <daftykins> i just chose the moto g6 play dual SIM for someone
[13:00] <daftykins> she's finally retiring her 2009 nokia 7020 flip phone
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yeah i had a moto flip phone til about 3 yrs ago
[13:03] <BluesKaj> til my wife lost it , so i bought a new one and the same day she found the moto in the bottom her purse :-)
[13:03] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.ca/Motorola-XT1922-5-Factory-Unlocked-Smartphone/dp/B07CHWTWYP/
[13:04] <daftykins> yikes that was only £150 here
[13:04] <daftykins> ah marketplace seller, eww
[13:04] <BluesKaj> the new one  was the little alcatel at 100bucks
[13:08] <BluesKaj> daftykins, our buck is only 78 cents US ...the money markets love screwing us, because our currency is like petro dollar to them
[13:08] <daftykins> mmm, we use England's pound so i was on xe.com converting it :>
[13:08] <daftykins> came out to £190 so not too far off but still a large %
[13:09] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:10] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj,  one of the small joys of not bring retired... I haven't payed for a phone in ~20 years
[13:10] <JimBuntu> s/bring/being
[13:11] <BluesKaj> some of the US rust belt border cities accept our dollar at par just to increase their business
[13:11] <JimBuntu> Wow, I haven't heard of that in a long time.
[13:12] <BluesKaj> buffa for examplelo and detroit
[13:12] <BluesKaj> buffalo
[13:12] <BluesKaj> oops
[13:12] <daftykins> a mate lives in Sault Ste Marie, he says the folks over the bridge pop over for some low tax shopping :D
[13:14] <BluesKaj> oh yeah, lots ...the Ontario "Soo" as it's known locally keeps the Michigan side going
[13:14] <daftykins> *nod*
[13:15] <daftykins> and i thought us Guernsey folk had people beat for pronouncing things nowhere near how they're written
[13:15] <BluesKaj> altho the stell plant on the ontario side is gonna suffer duie to Trumps misguided idiotic 25% tarif on steel
[13:16] <BluesKaj> scuse the poor spelling, guess spellcheck was turned off
[13:20] <JimBuntu> I don't worry about such things here.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, you're a pretty good speller..so am I usually, but my typing skills suck :-)
[13:23] <JimBuntu> Thanks, my typing skills could use improving. Although I type fairly well by touch only, I still find myself looking down way too often.
[13:25] <daftykins> i never got good at the number row's symbols touch typing, but i type fine enough without a glance
[13:26] <BluesKaj> my 9th grade typing teacher gave me a passing grade in her class as long as I didn't elect her class the next yr :-)
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> I'm a great touch typist, my issue is I often switch the meaning of my sentence unintentionally by forgetting my word contractions
[13:30] <JimBuntu> "Keyboarding" class... lol. That was fun. Teacher hated that I didn't use the "home row"... I use the wrong fingers for so many things. I type with basically 4 fingers and 1 thumb. with the other thumb held down as an achor.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> despite being taught the touch typing technique I'm still a hant and peck guy
[13:31] <BluesKaj> hunt and peck  ;-)
[13:31] <JimBuntu> hant and peck + hunt and peck = haunt and peck! Sounds super fun to me!
[13:31] <BluesKaj> yeah I'm haunted by it
[13:32] <JimBuntu> boogie woogie boo
[13:32] <daftykins> yeah i won't be told how to type either, just do it
[13:33] <JimBuntu> I learned my typing skills as a youngster using the Commodore 64, that keyboard was big for my wee hands at the time. Muscle Memory is hard to retrain it seems.
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> I don't use the right fingers for most of the keys. I use the finger that is closest to the key I need at the time I need it... sometimes it's the right finger for the key, sometimes it's not. My left pinky is almost always anchored on shift though
[13:35] <daftykins> same :D
[13:36] <daftykins> i do have to giggle if i see folk who toggle caps lock for a single cap
[13:36] <JimBuntu> I shattered my right pinky as a child ( nothing soft about softball ) as a young'one. So I don't use it for anything. Crushed bone only heals to much.
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> I've done that when I'm single hand typing. what irks me the most is Lenovo keyboards though. swapping the function key and the ctrl key around
[13:37] <JimBuntu> I know your pain pragmaticenigma, when it comes to Lenovos... try mixing Lenovo + MacBook + normal...
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> I find the swap more annoying on the laptops... regular keybaord doesn't bother me as much.
[13:40] <daftykins> as long as i've got super and my alts, i'm good :>
[13:40] <BluesKaj> I really didn't start using a keyboard until the early 80s when my job required using instrument application based computers, so learning to type again (even hunt and peck) at 40 wasn't much fun.
[13:46] <pragmaticenigma> I've never had much luck with the super in linux... just doesn't always seem to work, even with standard simple keyboards
[13:47] <JimBuntu> Really? I don't use it much, only to bring up Dash search, once in a blue moon... but it works for me in that respect. I can't speak outside of Ubuntu though as I decided a number of years ago not to play with other distros ( unless I build them myself ).
[13:53] <BluesKaj> build from scratch JimBuntu or build like gentoo?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> trying gentoo 10 yrs ago was a (WTF?) mistake, it scared nme off for life i thinkl
[14:02] <BluesKaj> as the saying goes, no country for old men :-)
[14:06] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, Build from scratch or BuildRoot type stuff
[14:06] <daftykins> i find it an inefficient use of resources, conceptually
[14:07] <JimBuntu> daftykins, Gentoo, for sure. For embedded systems with highly limited resources, it's OK
[14:07] <daftykins> *nod*
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hmm, never seen icons freeze in the task manager before..had to reboot
[14:08] <hggdh> late morning to all. Thunderstorm woke me, thank the gods
[14:09] <JimBuntu> Great morning hggdh !
[14:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning hggdh
[14:10] <BluesKaj> a cold rainy day here
[14:10] <hggdh> a hot rainy day here :-)
[14:11] <hggdh> or, in other words: Texas sucks
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Northern Ontario isn't much fun right now either, swarming with blackflies this time of yr..mosuitos will be here next :/
[14:13] <BluesKaj> mosquitos even
[14:13] <daftykins> :S
[14:13] <daftykins> so glad we don't get many
[14:13] <BluesKaj> and we have the 10 yr cycle of the tent caterpillar swarms too
[14:14] <BluesKaj> some birds love it , other won't touch them
[14:14] <BluesKaj> others
[14:14] <hggdh> I put a fly trap in the backyard last week, it is still going, and now has about 3cm of dead flies in it
[14:14] <hggdh> (I mean depth)
[14:14] <daftykins> wowzer
[14:15] <EriC^> what is this fly trap?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> but one good thing, I've seen a lot more bees than in past yrs
[14:16] <EriC^> crap i cant even type anymore, both my wrists have 2cm balls swollen on each side of my palm O.o
[14:18] <EriC^> can one use a gpu with a laptop?
[14:19] <JimBuntu> EriC^,  external GPU? Sure can.
[14:19] <BluesKaj> there are outboard gpus
[14:19] <EriC^> how difficult is it?
[14:19] <EriC^> what do i search for to buy?
[14:21] <JimBuntu> As far as I have heard, it's basically plug and play as much as any internal GPU. Simply need to install the correct module(s). afaik, no worse than normal NVidia headaches.
[14:21] <daftykins> well you first have to check if you have thunderbolt / express card
[14:23] <BluesKaj> EriC^, this has an annoying video accompanying the text , but it looks useful https://www.pcworld.com/article/2984716/laptop-computers/how-to-transform-your-laptop-into-a-gaming-powerhouse-with-an-external-graphics-card.html
[14:24] <EriC^> it seems you connect it to the place the wifi card is usually connected in the laptop
[14:24] <EriC^> does that make sense?
[14:25] <JimBuntu> sounds like an express port
[14:25] <daftykins> no it doesn't
[14:25] <EriC^> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q4VMLF6/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=
[14:25] <JimBuntu> lol, this computer is so slow right now.... fully utilized resources.
[14:26] <JimBuntu> Yup, mini-PCI Express connection. That's dope.
[14:26] <daftykins> honestly it would make far more sense to just buy a cheap older generation desktop
[14:26] <daftykins> that's a really terrible idea :)
[14:26] <EriC^> it's only $50 though
[14:27] <JimBuntu> but, I like lots of fragile cables running out of my "netbook" lol
[14:27] <EriC^> motherboard + ram + hdd + i7 cpu would cost like $500+
[14:27] <EriC^> i could run it on the older hp laptop i have, it's an i7 4core with 6gb ram and an ssd
[14:27] <daftykins> but you don't need to buy new is what i just said
[14:27] <EriC^> ah i cant find used stuff here easily
[14:28] <hggdh> EriC^: it is  a plastic packet with an entry point, and some powder insider. You fill it half-way with water, and hang outside
[14:28] <daftykins> nah it's totally impractical, even if you did have the slot and the design of your laptop let you trail the cable outside - you've got to know that you only get about 75% of the performance of a graphics card when attached externally - and that's with proper thunderbolt enclosures
[14:28] <EriC^> hggdh: aha, pretty effective
[14:28] <EriC^> oh
[14:29] <EriC^> thought itd be 100%
[14:29] <daftykins> you have to buy a graphics card *and* a desktop PSU to run that adapter you linked, too
[14:29] <hggdh> indeed it is. More than I expected. Side result, though, is that it seems the flies call their friends to the party. So you have to hang the packet farther from the door...
[14:29] <daftykins> i would be willing to bet both Linux and Windows would be nightmares to run with that, too
[14:30] <EriC^> heh
[14:30] <EriC^> this is a crazy idea, i wonder if i could use the ps4 gpu to game on the pc
[14:31] <daftykins> well the game is on the consoles too, be easier to just play it there :)
[14:32] <EriC^> i dont like the controller in it, i tried hooking up a keyboard and it kinda works it lags a little though
[14:33] <EriC^> (the mouse lags)
[14:34] <daftykins> mmm not designed for it
[14:34] <EriC^> yeah
[14:35] <daftykins> there's the software that lets you use your PS4 over the network from a PC too, but i don't know what influence that has on input devices
[14:37] <EriC^> right, brb
[22:46] <oerheks> AI gets better every full moon
[22:51] <hggdh> heh
[22:53] <tomreyn> artificial lack of intelligence.
[22:54] <oerheks> hggdh and tomreyn: Hi and thanks for your reply. ... Answer or reply soon. Thanks again : )
[22:54] <hggdh> perhaps this is why he got booted from the mint channels?
[22:56] <oerheks> Noooooooooooooo... mint channels never ban AFAIK
[22:56] <nacc> theh are just saying they won't go back, not clear if they've been kicked to me
[22:57] <hggdh> I did not say kicked :-)
[22:57] <oerheks> i think it is an IRC bot that came with the illegal guitar-pro-6 of arooni
[22:57] <oerheks> :-D
[22:57] <hggdh> nacc: he has been warned enough. Let's see what happens now
[22:58] <nacc> hggdh: ack
[23:05] <hggdh> patience -=1; if (patience < 0) then finish;
[23:05] <oerheks> lets send an invite from ##linux then?
[23:05] <hggdh> heh
[23:06] <hggdh> might even work. Is ##linux +r, or not?
[23:07] <oerheks> err .. not sure how to do that in hexcaht..
[23:08] <tomreyn> * ##linux :You're not a channel operator
[23:08] <hggdh>  /mode <channel> will reply with the channel modes in effect
[23:09] <hggdh> and it is not +r, so he can go there
[23:10] <tomreyn> but inviting him wont work. maybe we can create ##linux-invitation-for-berwyn and setup channel forwarding on it to ##linux
[23:10] <tomreyn> and then invite him
[23:10] <hggdh> Mode ##linux [+CLPcnptf]
[23:10] <hggdh> too much effort
[23:10] <oerheks> ##ubuntu-for-mint-users
[23:11] <oerheks> & wsl
[23:11] <tomreyn> ##mint-support-for-mint-users-who-ask-for-ubuntu-support
[23:11] <hggdh> LOL
[23:11] <oerheks> double ## good
[23:12] <hggdh> well, wil walk the dogs now. I will see what happened when I am back
[23:48] <hggdh> oerheks: please do not respond
[23:49] <hggdh> sigh. He was going out finally...
[23:50] <oerheks> Thanks, but he is "berwyn!*@* added to ignore list."
[23:50] <hggdh> heh. It works
[23:57] <tomreyn> this works better
[23:58] <hggdh> unfortunately it does
[23:59] <hggdh> and now we will have to deal with the (potential) fallout