| Spass | hello, it's probably late, but I've noticed bad date on the Meetings wiki - "The next Xubuntu community meeting is on Monday, the 6th of June at 22:00 UTC" | 09:33 |
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| Spass | should be 4th | 09:33 |
| slickymasterWork | Corrected Spass | 09:37 |
| slickymasterWork | thanks for the heads up | 09:37 |
| Spass | np | 09:39 |
| bluesabre | Unit193, ochosi, knome, (others familiar with git), please feel free to add anything you can think of to https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git to ease the transition or as a useful guide to new git users | 09:52 |
| bluesabre | I'll be sending out the git announcement on the M/L tonight after the meeting, and will be linking to that doc for more information | 10:00 |
| knome | bluesabre, i'll try to have time to look at it later this week | 10:14 |
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| Unit193 | C/qa.xml:44: element include: XInclude error : could not load C/qa-testing.xml, and no fallback was found | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | qa.xml:26: element section: validity error : Element section content does not follow the DTD, expecting (sectioninfo? , (title , subtitle? , ti$ | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | qa.xml:31: element xref: validity error : IDREF attribute linkend references an unknown ID "qa-testing-ppa" | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | qa.xml:31: element xref: validity error : IDREF attribute linkend references an unknown ID "qa-testing-exploratory" | 19:41 |
| Unit193 | Document C/index.xml does not validate | 19:41 |
| flocculant | that's broken then | 19:51 |
| krytarik | Might be just the missing closing '</para>' on line 32 of qa-testing.xml | 19:53 |
| flocculant | probably is | 19:55 |
| flocculant | I'd do something about it if I could - but I can't | 19:55 |
| flocculant | it's certainly missing :p | 19:57 |
| Unit193 | Also, that's...From the wrong repo, so disregard meee.:D | 19:59 |
| flocculant | !team | meeting in 30ish | 21:31 |
| ubottu | meeting in 30ish: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 21:31 |
| flocculant | /join #xubuntu-council | 21:33 |
| flocculant | lets try that again :p | 21:34 |
| bluesabre | :D | 21:38 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 21:39 |
| flocculant | hi bluesabre :) | 21:39 |
| bluesabre | hi flocculant | 21:39 |
| flocculant | not doing this again ... been awake since 4:30 :p | 21:40 |
| flocculant | twice actually - managed a small nap this afternoon lol | 21:40 |
| bluesabre | yikes | 21:41 |
| knome | uhh | 21:43 |
| knome | accidental right time and place | 21:43 |
| knome | i'll take it | 21:43 |
| flocculant | evening knome | 21:44 |
| knome | hullo | 21:44 |
| knome | laptop soon | 21:44 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Again,sorry! :/ | 21:46 |
| flocculant | sorry for what? | 21:46 |
| knome | flocculant, simply being here? :P | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | Being awful last meeting. | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | Or what knome said. | 21:49 |
| flocculant | oh nvm about that :) | 21:49 |
| flocculant | either lol | 21:49 |
| Spass | hello o/ | 21:52 |
| knome | 'lo | 21:53 |
| flocculant | hi Spass | 21:53 |
| Spass | getting ready for the meeting? | 21:54 |
| flocculant | yea | 21:54 |
| * flocculant puts on the rocket boots to drag this one along tonight | 21:54 | |
| * bluesabre wants rocket boots | 21:56 | |
| flocculant | :D | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | comically, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347318 is now thousands of lines old | 21:59 |
| flocculant | #startmeeting | 22:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Jun 4 22:00:10 2018 UTC. The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 22:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 22:00 |
| flocculant | #chair bluesabre Unit193 | 22:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre flocculant | 22:00 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 22:00 |
| flocculant | who's here tonight then :) | 22:00 |
| knome | o/ | 22:00 |
| albinard | one interloper - me | 22:01 |
| Spass | \o | 22:01 |
| flocculant | anyway lets get going and wait for Unit193 to say he's here :p | 22:01 |
| flocculant | #topic Open action items | 22:01 |
| flocculant | looks like all are done | 22:01 |
| flocculant | #done knome to send another call for council membership nominations | 22:01 |
| flocculant | #done knome to set up the umbrella blueprint for CC | 22:01 |
| flocculant | #done knome to deal with dev.x.o for CC | 22:01 |
| bluesabre | nice | 22:02 |
| flocculant | #topic Updates and Announcements | 22:02 |
| flocculant | yup | 22:02 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:02 |
| flocculant | #info Release Schedule for Cosmic not set up | 22:02 |
| flocculant | should do council I suppose | 22:02 |
| flocculant | #info New Council set up | 22:02 |
| ochosi | evening all | 22:03 |
| flocculant | #info Thanks to the 2 outgoing council chappies knome and ochosi | 22:03 |
| flocculant | hi ochosi :) | 22:03 |
| flocculant | anyone else have anything for this? | 22:03 |
| knome | you're all welcome and congrats again for the new council :) | 22:03 |
| ochosi | +1 | 22:03 |
| bluesabre | #info xubuntu code branches moved to git (more on this later) | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | (no more updates from me, I think) | 22:04 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:04 |
| flocculant | #topic Discussion | 22:05 |
| flocculant | then :) | 22:05 |
| flocculant | #subtopic Blueprints | 22:06 |
| flocculant | can team leads get their blueprints up together so we've got an idea what to expect | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | Umbrella blueprint available at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-c-roadmap | 22:06 |
| flocculant | not that any but the dev one changes much from cycle to cycle :D | 22:06 |
| flocculant | I know my one doesn't ... | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | time to break something | 22:07 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:07 |
| ochosi | already updated the artwork stuff, but tbh it's mostly maintenance at this point | 22:07 |
| flocculant | ack | 22:07 |
| ochosi | unless someone wants to step up in that area, it's going to stay at this level | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | ochosi is waiting for gtk4 | 22:07 |
| flocculant | I had a question about arty stuff - but bluesabre answered that | 22:08 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 22:08 |
| ochosi | you mean as in "waiting for gtk4 to finally give up artwork completely"? | 22:08 |
| ochosi | :) | 22:08 |
| bluesabre | lol | 22:08 |
| flocculant | lol | 22:08 |
| bluesabre | for the visitors, blueprint progress can be tracked at https://dev.xubuntu.org/ | 22:08 |
| ochosi | the dev blueprint looks good to me | 22:09 |
| ochosi | quite a bit of interesting stuff there too | 22:09 |
| flocculant | yea - to me as well | 22:09 |
| ochosi | wondering whether we should at some point drop certain work items from the blueprint, as we have dragged them with us for at least 1 LTS cycle | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | might add some more stuff to it soon after I experiment a bit | 22:10 |
| ochosi | (e.g. parole) | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I wouldn't be opposed to dropping that | 22:10 |
| ochosi | then let's just do that | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | not going to be learning polkit unless I have to | 22:10 |
| ochosi | we can still keep it as a bugreport in bugzilla | 22:10 |
| ochosi | polkit or packagekit? | 22:11 |
| bluesabre | er, packagekit | 22:11 |
| bluesabre | p*kit | 22:11 |
| ochosi | (dropped it) | 22:11 |
| bluesabre | thanks | 22:11 |
| Unit193 | > elementary-xfce: Split packaging for distribution improvements This is in progress. | 22:11 |
| ochosi | the pidgin stuff i also have an unrealistic feeling about | 22:11 |
| ochosi | Unit193: marked as such now | 22:12 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: originally you signed up for patching pidgin, do you still feel you wanna do that? | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | It's basically done, just have to update some copyright crap and resubmit.. | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yeah, still might poke it | 22:12 |
| ochosi | personally i'd love to get it done, but i know *i* won't have the energy | 22:12 |
| ochosi | too much xfce stuff that needs attention | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | trying to do a lot early in the cycle so I have more energy to do investigative patchy stuff | 22:12 |
| ochosi | (at least one less thunar plugin now that blocks shipping 1.7) | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | nice | 22:13 |
| ochosi | Unit193, bluesabre: have your feelings wrt xfconf changed? do you still wanna go forward with it this cycle? | 22:14 |
| Unit193 | We'll see. | 22:14 |
| ochosi | i'd rather get rid of the maybes as soon as possible so i know what to focus on upstream | 22:14 |
| ochosi | that's my background | 22:14 |
| Unit193 | Not at this current stage, but things might start looking better. | 22:14 |
| ochosi | what's the current stage? | 22:15 |
| ochosi | what would have to change for things to look better? | 22:15 |
| flocculant | no-one knows :p | 22:17 |
| ochosi | seemingly... | 22:18 |
| ochosi | Unit193? | 22:18 |
| Unit193 | Oh, hi. Yes, not everything is ready yet. Don't remember if it goes further than thunar plugins not being ported yet. Might be just that. I'll look soon. | 22:19 |
| ochosi | i meant wrt xfconf specifically | 22:19 |
| ochosi | the thunar stuff is sorta in progress i'd say, and do-able mostly | 22:20 |
| flocculant | most of this 4.13 stuff is all in ppa's currently is it not? | 22:20 |
| flocculant | if not all | 22:20 |
| ochosi | not sure tbh | 22:20 |
| ochosi | the panel didn't use to be | 22:20 |
| Unit193 | Not quite everything, no. | 22:20 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Daily builds will start spitting out for Cosmic. | 22:20 |
| ochosi | would definitely be helpful to get everything PPA'd so ppl can start taking things for a spin | 22:21 |
| bluesabre | +1 | 22:21 |
| Unit193 | I'll see what I'm missing once I get Cosmic up for floc. | 22:21 |
| flocculant | ok - well currently obviously set to bionic here - if I can be told when the ppa actually gets cosmic I can see what I find here | 22:22 |
| flocculant | ack | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | yay coordination :D | 22:22 |
| flocculant | that'll at least see a start to it | 22:22 |
| Unit193 | I said I would when he asked, I was just in Indiana at the time. Anyway, anything else here? | 22:23 |
| Unit193 | Also, xfce4-settings needs to be fixed first. | 22:23 |
| flocculant | not from me on bp's or this | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | yeah, remind me what needs done there | 22:23 |
| Unit193 | (Xfce 14381) | 22:23 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 14381 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd --replace does not replace old daemon" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381 | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | perfect | 22:23 |
| ochosi | i wonder if this is fixed by the gdbus transition in git master | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | will get that on my list for this week | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | so I'm no longer a blocker | 22:25 |
| flocculant | anything else? | 22:25 |
| bluesabre | nothing more bp-related from me | 22:25 |
| flocculant | #subtopic Git | 22:26 |
| flocculant | what an awesome subtopic for this old git :D | 22:26 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:26 |
| flocculant | so bluesabre :) | 22:26 |
| bluesabre | #info We've moved all of our branches (except test cases) to git! | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git for more information | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | We'll be working on writing some quality documentation so nobody is left in the dark | 22:27 |
| flocculant | :p | 22:27 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: actually what's there is a good start | 22:28 |
| flocculant | just for those not reading bp subscription mails : | 22:28 |
| ochosi | not sure you really wanna go into the details of how git works | 22:28 |
| ochosi | that'll soon start to be a copy-paste job from the git book | 22:28 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Perhaps a "git for bzr users" can either be written or linked. | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yeah, don't want to do too much, don't want to do too little | 22:28 |
| flocculant | threw me completely | 22:29 |
| ochosi | yeah, sounds like a valid link | 22:29 |
| * flocculant has enough trouble as it is | 22:29 | |
| bluesabre | but yeah, if any git users want to drop by and write up some nice docs, feel free to | 22:30 |
| flocculant | it was the fails that completely did for me tbh | 22:31 |
| flocculant | if it had just worked I would likely have not had a paddy :p | 22:31 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:31 |
| flocculant | anyway - anything else we need to say on this? | 22:31 |
| bluesabre | Hopefully we can smooth out the issues over this cycle so there's no more paddies | 22:32 |
| flocculant | other than thanks for doing it :) | 22:32 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: nothing more so far | 22:32 |
| * flocculant grabs the rocket boots then | 22:32 | |
| flocculant | #subtopic Core | 22:32 |
| flocculant | so | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | so | 22:32 |
| flocculant | this one | 22:32 |
| flocculant | again :p | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | This one might be a bit delayed | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | I refreshed all the patches | 22:32 |
| flocculant | I see we've got the files updated? | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | and seemingly years of history are now missing from lp:debian-cd | 22:33 |
| flocculant | oh right | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | https://code.launchpad.net/debian-cd last modified 2013-05-06 | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | (wasn't like that before) | 22:33 |
| flocculant | well I guess that's not good then | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | no, probably not | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | need to ask around about that | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | But, the short of it is, patches are up-to-date, merges have been requested | 22:34 |
| flocculant | ok | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | and I'll be harrassing the ubuntu teams to get it in this cycle | 22:34 |
| flocculant | so generally what's our next step - get -release involved again? | 22:35 |
| Unit193 | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files ? | 22:35 |
| flocculant | should look up when typing ... | 22:35 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: obviously there the sooner the better to get it testing | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: seems like they moved trunk | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | breaking https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347318 :D | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: definitely | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, progress on core is being made | 22:38 |
| flocculant | cool | 22:38 |
| flocculant | so at the moment - kind of up in the air till we find out some 'stuff' ? | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | yeah, will probably grab slangasek once I get the merge request sorted | 22:39 |
| flocculant | k - do you want to action you there? | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | #action bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged | 22:40 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged | 22:40 |
| flocculant | cos I'm too tired to word it sensibly | 22:40 |
| flocculant | there were 2 other items - but I tabled them as 1 we sort of discussed in bp's and the other depends on that :) | 22:40 |
| flocculant | #topic AOB | 22:41 |
| flocculant | anyone got anything they want to bring up? | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | Don't think I do | 22:42 |
| flocculant | oh | 22:42 |
| flocculant | I'll just mention this | 22:42 |
| flocculant | #info Checking of package testcases is well in hand - thanks to willem | 22:43 |
| flocculant | plan to get that moving this cycle some | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | awesome | 22:43 |
| flocculant | currently he's stuck on orage trying to work it out even though he never uses it - and it was written by someone who never uses it :p | 22:44 |
| flocculant | anyway - nothing else from me | 22:44 |
| flocculant | so if no-one else has anything ... | 22:45 |
| * flocculant waits a short while to cool the boots a bit | 22:45 | |
| ochosi | nothing else from me | 22:46 |
| knome | nope | 22:46 |
| flocculant | #topic Schedule next meeting | 22:47 |
| flocculant | #action slickymaster to set next meeting | 22:47 |
| meetingology | ACTION: slickymaster to set next meeting | 22:47 |
| flocculant | #endmeeting | 22:47 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Jun 4 22:47:13 2018 UTC. | 22:47 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-06-04-22.00.moin.txt | 22:47 |
| flocculant | ok - thanks peeps - cya tomorrow - night night :) | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Please allow us to drop d/p/xubuntu_support-dmtool.patch! | 22:48 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Why we no sync thunar?! | 22:48 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/ytqYbYCQuzcUZdBOqXQ4 | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I see no reason not to, go for it | 22:49 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Done. Oh! You did the reviewy thingy, I think? | 22:52 |
| ochosi | Unit193: ok, if you promise to package the panel sooner than later i'll try to get it merged for 4.13 ;) | 22:52 |
| Unit193 | Well, considering I've been highly procrastinating because of that merge? Sure! :P | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: which reviewy thingy? | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: thanks for running the meeting | 22:53 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Yes thanks. And your ppa 'experimental' will be ready by morning. | 22:53 |
| Unit193 | sn-plug, IIRC you said yes. | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: indeed | 22:54 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: any reason not to check if gdmflexiserver is in the path actions_plugin_action_activate ? | 22:57 |
| ochosi | i mean i agree it's not making matters worse... | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: don't see any reason why not | 22:58 |
| ochosi | i mean the path check wasn't there before | 22:58 |
| ochosi | maybe you dind | 22:58 |
| ochosi | didn't add it not to alter the behavior | 22:59 |
| ochosi | not sure | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | I don't remember tbh | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | I think gdmflexiserver itself is deprecated | 23:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, the executable has been dropped a longer while ago | 23:00 |
| ochosi | i guess it makes sense to integrate this change with the upstream panel too | 23:01 |
| ochosi | anyway, i created a git patch based on the existing debian patch | 23:01 |
| ochosi | i'll push this now, so it'll end up in the next panel 4.13 release | 23:01 |
| ochosi | backporting for 4.12 doesn't make too much sense imo | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | are you as optimistic as me that we might be able to get 4.14 out the door in the next 12 months? | 23:02 |
| ochosi | yeah, after all the hot season will end at some point | 23:04 |
| ochosi | so ppl will end up behind their keyboards again | 23:04 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: For switching, xfce4-session or whatnot has a new feature for that, but unfortunately can't quite rely on it existing yet since it's only in 4.13. | 23:06 |
| ochosi | where would i find that? | 23:07 |
| Unit193 | https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/commit/?id=ac387875a5e0d4239848fa3560757fb7ef0c2338 | 23:08 |
| ochosi | ah right | 23:10 |
| ochosi | i guess i could try the dbus call and fall back to dm-tool if it fails | 23:11 |
| ochosi | another night though, for now you can be happy about dropping another patch ;) | 23:13 |
| Unit193 | Yes! | 23:14 |
| Unit193 | And, all the -panel delta. | 23:14 |
| bluesabre | another patch dropped, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0q_GXMw7U :D | 23:15 |
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| Unit193 | bluesabre: ...Didn't we kind of try to upstream the accountsservice patch of xfdesktop? I don't see it in commit logs nor bugzilla. | 23:47 |
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