[09:33] <Spass> hello, it's probably late, but I've noticed bad date on the Meetings wiki - "The next Xubuntu community meeting is on Monday, the 6th of June at 22:00 UTC"
[09:33] <Spass> should be 4th
[09:37] <slickymasterWork> Corrected Spass 
[09:37] <slickymasterWork> thanks for the heads up
[09:39] <Spass> np
[09:52] <bluesabre> Unit193, ochosi, knome, (others familiar with git), please feel free to add anything you can think of to https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git to ease the transition or as a useful guide to new git users
[10:00] <bluesabre> I'll be sending out the git announcement on the M/L tonight after the meeting, and will be linking to that doc for more information
[10:14] <knome> bluesabre, i'll try to have time to look at it later this week
[19:41] <Unit193> C/qa.xml:44: element include: XInclude error : could not load C/qa-testing.xml, and no fallback was found                                       
[19:41] <Unit193> qa.xml:26: element section: validity error : Element section content does not follow the DTD, expecting (sectioninfo? , (title , subtitle? , ti$
[19:41] <Unit193> qa.xml:31: element xref: validity error : IDREF attribute linkend references an unknown ID "qa-testing-ppa"                                     
[19:41] <Unit193> qa.xml:31: element xref: validity error : IDREF attribute linkend references an unknown ID "qa-testing-exploratory"                             
[19:41] <Unit193> Document C/index.xml does not validate 
[19:51] <flocculant> that's broken then 
[19:53] <krytarik> Might be just the missing closing '</para>' on line 32 of qa-testing.xml
[19:55] <flocculant> probably is 
[19:55] <flocculant> I'd do something about it if I could - but I can't
[19:57] <flocculant> it's certainly missing :p
[19:59] <Unit193> Also, that's...From the wrong repo, so disregard meee.:D
[21:31] <flocculant> !team | meeting in 30ish
[21:33] <flocculant>  /join #xubuntu-council
[21:34] <flocculant> lets try that again :p
[21:38] <bluesabre> :D
[21:39] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:39] <flocculant> hi bluesabre :)
[21:39] <bluesabre> hi flocculant 
[21:40] <flocculant> not doing this again ... been awake since 4:30 :p
[21:40] <flocculant> twice actually - managed a small nap this afternoon lol
[21:41] <bluesabre> yikes
[21:43] <knome> uhh
[21:43] <knome> accidental right time and place
[21:43] <knome> i'll take it
[21:44] <flocculant> evening knome 
[21:44] <knome> hullo
[21:44] <knome> laptop soon
[21:46] <Unit193> flocculant: Again,sorry! :/
[21:46] <flocculant> sorry for what?
[21:49] <knome> flocculant, simply being here? :P
[21:49] <Unit193> Being awful last meeting.
[21:49] <Unit193> Or what knome said.
[21:49] <flocculant> oh nvm about that :)
[21:49] <flocculant> either lol
[21:52] <Spass> hello o/
[21:53] <knome> 'lo
[21:53] <flocculant> hi Spass 
[21:54] <Spass> getting ready for the meeting?
[21:54] <flocculant> yea
[21:54]  * flocculant puts on the rocket boots to drag this one along tonight
[21:56]  * bluesabre wants rocket boots
[21:57] <flocculant> :D
[21:59] <bluesabre> comically, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347318 is now thousands of lines old 
[22:00] <flocculant> #startmeeting
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  4 22:00:10 2018 UTC.  The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00] <flocculant> #chair bluesabre Unit193 
[22:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre flocculant
[22:00] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:00] <flocculant> who's here tonight then :)
[22:00] <knome> o/
[22:01] <albinard> one interloper - me
[22:01] <Spass> \o
[22:01] <flocculant> anyway lets get going and wait for Unit193 to say he's here :p
[22:01] <flocculant> #topic Open action items
[22:01] <flocculant> looks like all are done
[22:01] <flocculant> #done knome to send another call for council membership nominations 
[22:01] <flocculant> #done knome to set up the umbrella blueprint for CC
[22:01] <flocculant> #done knome to deal with dev.x.o for CC 
[22:02] <bluesabre> nice
[22:02] <flocculant> #topic Updates and Announcements
[22:02] <flocculant> yup
[22:02] <flocculant> :)
[22:02] <flocculant> #info Release Schedule for Cosmic not set up
[22:02] <flocculant> should do council I suppose
[22:02] <flocculant> #info New Council set up
[22:03] <ochosi> evening all
[22:03] <flocculant> #info Thanks to the 2 outgoing council chappies knome and ochosi 
[22:03] <flocculant> hi ochosi :)
[22:03] <flocculant> anyone else have anything for this?
[22:03] <knome> you're all welcome and congrats again for the new council :)
[22:03] <ochosi> +1
[22:04] <bluesabre> #info xubuntu code branches moved to git (more on this later)
[22:04] <bluesabre> (no more updates from me, I think)
[22:04] <flocculant> :)
[22:05] <flocculant> #topic Discussion
[22:05] <flocculant> then :)
[22:06] <flocculant> #subtopic Blueprints 
[22:06] <flocculant> can team leads get their blueprints up together so we've got an idea what to expect
[22:06] <bluesabre> Umbrella blueprint available at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-c-roadmap
[22:06] <flocculant> not that any but the dev one changes much from cycle to cycle :D
[22:07] <flocculant> I know my one doesn't ...
[22:07] <bluesabre> time to break something
[22:07] <flocculant> :)
[22:07] <ochosi> already updated the artwork stuff, but tbh it's mostly maintenance at this point
[22:07] <flocculant> ack
[22:07] <ochosi> unless someone wants to step up in that area, it's going to stay at this level
[22:07] <bluesabre> ochosi is waiting for gtk4
[22:08] <flocculant> I had a question about arty stuff - but bluesabre answered that
[22:08] <flocculant> ha ha 
[22:08] <ochosi> you mean as in "waiting for gtk4 to finally give up artwork completely"?
[22:08] <ochosi> :)
[22:08] <bluesabre> lol
[22:08] <flocculant> lol
[22:08] <bluesabre> for the visitors, blueprint progress can be tracked at https://dev.xubuntu.org/
[22:09] <ochosi> the dev blueprint looks good to me
[22:09] <ochosi> quite a bit of interesting stuff there too
[22:09] <flocculant> yea - to me as well
[22:10] <ochosi> wondering whether we should at some point drop certain work items from the blueprint, as we have dragged them with us for at least 1 LTS cycle
[22:10] <bluesabre> might add some more stuff to it soon after I experiment a bit
[22:10] <ochosi> (e.g. parole)
[22:10] <bluesabre> ochosi: I wouldn't be opposed to dropping that
[22:10] <ochosi> then let's just do that
[22:10] <bluesabre> not going to be learning polkit unless I have to
[22:10] <ochosi> we can still keep it as a bugreport in bugzilla
[22:11] <ochosi> polkit or packagekit?
[22:11] <bluesabre> er, packagekit
[22:11] <bluesabre> p*kit
[22:11] <ochosi> (dropped it)
[22:11] <bluesabre> thanks
[22:11] <Unit193> > elementary-xfce: Split packaging for distribution improvements   This is in progress.
[22:11] <ochosi> the pidgin stuff i also have an unrealistic feeling about
[22:12] <ochosi> Unit193: marked as such now
[22:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: originally you signed up for patching pidgin, do you still feel you wanna do that?
[22:12] <Unit193> It's basically done, just have to update some copyright crap and resubmit..
[22:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, still might poke it
[22:12] <ochosi> personally i'd love to get it done, but i know *i* won't have the energy
[22:12] <ochosi> too much xfce stuff that needs attention
[22:12] <bluesabre> trying to do a lot early in the cycle so I have more energy to do investigative patchy stuff
[22:13] <ochosi> (at least one less thunar plugin now that blocks shipping 1.7)
[22:13] <bluesabre> nice
[22:14] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre: have your feelings wrt xfconf changed? do you still wanna go forward with it this cycle?
[22:14] <Unit193> We'll see.
[22:14] <ochosi> i'd rather get rid of the maybes as soon as possible so i know what to focus on upstream
[22:14] <ochosi> that's my background
[22:14] <Unit193> Not at this current stage, but things might start looking better.
[22:15] <ochosi> what's the current stage?
[22:15] <ochosi> what would have to change for things to look better?
[22:17] <flocculant> no-one knows :p
[22:18] <ochosi> seemingly...
[22:18] <ochosi> Unit193?
[22:19] <Unit193> Oh, hi.  Yes, not everything is ready yet.  Don't remember if it goes further than thunar plugins not being ported yet.  Might be just that.  I'll look soon.
[22:19] <ochosi> i meant wrt xfconf specifically
[22:20] <ochosi> the thunar stuff is sorta in progress i'd say, and do-able mostly
[22:20] <flocculant> most of this 4.13 stuff is all in ppa's currently is it not?
[22:20] <flocculant> if not all
[22:20] <ochosi> not sure tbh
[22:20] <ochosi> the panel didn't use to be
[22:20] <Unit193> Not quite everything, no.
[22:20] <Unit193> flocculant: Daily builds will start spitting out for Cosmic.
[22:21] <ochosi> would definitely be helpful to get everything PPA'd so ppl can start taking things for a spin
[22:21] <bluesabre> +1
[22:21] <Unit193> I'll see what I'm missing once I get Cosmic up for floc.
[22:22] <flocculant> ok - well currently obviously set to bionic here - if I can be told when the ppa actually gets cosmic I can see what I find here
[22:22] <flocculant> ack
[22:22] <bluesabre> yay coordination :D
[22:22] <flocculant> that'll at least see a start to it
[22:23] <Unit193> I said I would when he asked, I was just in Indiana at the time.  Anyway, anything else here?
[22:23] <Unit193> Also, xfce4-settings needs to be fixed first.
[22:23] <flocculant> not from me on bp's or this  
[22:23] <bluesabre> yeah, remind me what needs done there
[22:23] <Unit193> (Xfce 14381)
[22:23] <bluesabre> perfect
[22:24] <ochosi> i wonder if this is fixed by the gdbus transition in git master
[22:24] <bluesabre> will get that on my list for this week
[22:25] <bluesabre> so I'm no longer a blocker
[22:25] <flocculant> anything else?
[22:25] <bluesabre> nothing more bp-related from me
[22:26] <flocculant> #subtopic Git
[22:26] <flocculant> what an awesome subtopic for this old git :D
[22:26] <bluesabre> :D
[22:26] <flocculant> so bluesabre :)
[22:27] <bluesabre> #info We've moved all of our branches (except test cases) to git!
[22:27] <bluesabre> #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git for more information
[22:27] <bluesabre> We'll be working on writing some quality documentation so nobody is left in the dark
[22:27] <flocculant> :p
[22:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: actually what's there is a good start
[22:28] <flocculant> just for those not reading bp subscription mails :
[22:28] <ochosi> not sure you really wanna go into the details of how git works
[22:28] <ochosi> that'll soon start to be a copy-paste job from the git book
[22:28] <Unit193> ochosi: Perhaps a "git for bzr users" can either be written or linked.
[22:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, don't want to do too much, don't want to do too little
[22:29] <flocculant> threw me completely
[22:29] <ochosi> yeah, sounds like a valid link
[22:29]  * flocculant has enough trouble as it is
[22:30] <bluesabre> but yeah, if any git users want to drop by and write up some nice docs, feel free to
[22:31] <flocculant> it was the fails that completely did for me tbh
[22:31] <flocculant> if it had just worked I would likely have not had a paddy :p
[22:31] <bluesabre> :D
[22:31] <flocculant> anyway - anything else we need to say on this? 
[22:32] <bluesabre> Hopefully we can smooth out the issues over this cycle so there's no more paddies
[22:32] <flocculant> other than thanks for doing it :)
[22:32] <flocculant> ha ha 
[22:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: nothing more so far
[22:32]  * flocculant grabs the rocket boots then
[22:32] <flocculant> #subtopic Core
[22:32] <flocculant> so
[22:32] <bluesabre> so
[22:32] <flocculant> this one 
[22:32] <flocculant> again :p
[22:32] <bluesabre> This one might be a bit delayed
[22:32] <bluesabre> I refreshed all the patches
[22:32] <flocculant> I see we've got the files updated?
[22:33] <bluesabre> and seemingly years of history are now missing from lp:debian-cd
[22:33] <flocculant> oh right
[22:33] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/debian-cd last modified 2013-05-06
[22:33] <bluesabre> (wasn't like that before)
[22:34] <flocculant> well I guess that's not good then
[22:34] <bluesabre> no, probably not
[22:34] <bluesabre> need to ask around about that
[22:34] <bluesabre> But, the short of it is, patches are up-to-date, merges have been requested
[22:34] <flocculant> ok
[22:34] <bluesabre> and I'll be harrassing the ubuntu teams to get it in this cycle
[22:35] <flocculant> so generally what's our next step - get -release involved again?
[22:35] <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files ?
[22:35] <flocculant> should look up when typing ...
[22:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: obviously there the sooner the better to get it testing 
[22:36] <bluesabre> Unit193: seems like they moved trunk
[22:36] <bluesabre> breaking https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347318 :D
[22:37] <bluesabre> flocculant: definitely
[22:38] <bluesabre> but yeah, progress on core is being made
[22:38] <flocculant> cool
[22:38] <flocculant> so at the moment - kind of up in the air till we find out some 'stuff' ?
[22:39] <bluesabre> yeah, will probably grab slangasek once I get the merge request sorted
[22:39] <flocculant> k - do you want to action you there?
[22:40] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged
[22:40] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged
[22:40] <flocculant> cos I'm too tired to word it sensibly
[22:40] <flocculant> there were 2 other items - but I tabled them as 1 we sort of discussed in bp's and the other depends on that :)
[22:41] <flocculant> #topic AOB
[22:41] <flocculant> anyone got anything they want to bring up?
[22:42] <bluesabre> Don't think I do
[22:42] <flocculant> oh
[22:42] <flocculant> I'll just mention this
[22:43] <flocculant> #info Checking of package testcases is well in hand - thanks to willem 
[22:43] <flocculant> plan to get that moving this cycle some
[22:43] <bluesabre> awesome
[22:44] <flocculant> currently he's stuck on orage trying to work it out even though he never uses it - and it was written by someone who never uses it :p
[22:44] <flocculant> anyway - nothing else from me 
[22:45] <flocculant> so if no-one else has anything ...
[22:45]  * flocculant waits a short while to cool the boots a bit
[22:46] <ochosi> nothing else from me
[22:46] <knome> nope
[22:47] <flocculant> #topic Schedule next meeting
[22:47] <flocculant> #action slickymaster to set next meeting
[22:47] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymaster to set next meeting
[22:47] <flocculant> #endmeeting
[22:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  4 22:47:13 2018 UTC.  
[22:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-06-04-22.00.moin.txt
[22:47] <flocculant> ok - thanks peeps - cya tomorrow - night night :)
[22:48] <Unit193> ochosi: Please allow us to drop d/p/xubuntu_support-dmtool.patch!
[22:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: Why we no sync thunar?!
[22:48] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/ytqYbYCQuzcUZdBOqXQ4
[22:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: I see no reason not to, go for it
[22:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: Done.  Oh!  You did the reviewy thingy, I think?
[22:52] <ochosi> Unit193: ok, if you promise to package the panel sooner than later i'll try to get it merged for 4.13 ;)
[22:52] <Unit193> Well, considering I've been highly procrastinating because of that merge?  Sure! :P
[22:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: which reviewy thingy?
[22:53] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks for running the meeting
[22:53] <Unit193> flocculant: Yes thanks.  And your ppa 'experimental' will be ready by morning.
[22:54] <Unit193> sn-plug, IIRC you said yes.
[22:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: indeed
[22:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: any reason not to check if gdmflexiserver is in the path actions_plugin_action_activate ?
[22:57] <ochosi> i mean i agree it's not making matters worse...
[22:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: don't see any reason why not
[22:58] <ochosi> i mean the path check wasn't there before
[22:58] <ochosi> maybe you dind
[22:59] <ochosi> didn't add it not to alter the behavior
[22:59] <ochosi> not sure
[23:00] <bluesabre> I don't remember tbh
[23:00] <bluesabre> I think gdmflexiserver itself is deprecated
[23:00] <ochosi> yeah, the executable has been dropped a longer while ago
[23:01] <ochosi> i guess it makes sense to integrate this change with the upstream panel too
[23:01] <ochosi> anyway, i created a git patch based on the existing debian patch
[23:01] <ochosi> i'll push this now, so it'll end up in the next panel 4.13 release
[23:01] <ochosi> backporting for 4.12 doesn't make too much sense imo
[23:02] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:02] <bluesabre> are you as optimistic as me that we might be able to get 4.14 out the door in the next 12 months?
[23:04] <ochosi> yeah, after all the hot season will end at some point
[23:04] <ochosi> so ppl will end up behind their keyboards again
[23:06] <Unit193> ochosi: For switching, xfce4-session or whatnot has a new feature for that, but unfortunately can't quite rely on it existing yet since it's only in 4.13.
[23:07] <ochosi> where would i find that?
[23:08] <Unit193> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/commit/?id=ac387875a5e0d4239848fa3560757fb7ef0c2338
[23:10] <ochosi> ah right
[23:11] <ochosi> i guess i could try the dbus call and fall back to dm-tool if it fails
[23:13] <ochosi> another night though, for now you can be happy about dropping another patch ;)
[23:14] <Unit193> Yes!
[23:14] <Unit193> And, all the -panel delta.
[23:15] <bluesabre> another patch dropped, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0q_GXMw7U :D
[23:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...Didn't we kind of try to upstream the accountsservice patch of xfdesktop?  I don't see it in commit logs nor bugzilla.