[09:33] hello, it's probably late, but I've noticed bad date on the Meetings wiki - "The next Xubuntu community meeting is on Monday, the 6th of June at 22:00 UTC" [09:33] should be 4th [09:37] Corrected Spass [09:37] thanks for the heads up [09:39] np [09:52] Unit193, ochosi, knome, (others familiar with git), please feel free to add anything you can think of to https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git to ease the transition or as a useful guide to new git users [10:00] I'll be sending out the git announcement on the M/L tonight after the meeting, and will be linking to that doc for more information [10:14] bluesabre, i'll try to have time to look at it later this week === Wimpress_ is now known as Wimpress === SwissBot_ is now known as SwissBot === ErichEickmeyer_ is now known as ErichEickmeyer === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [19:41] C/qa.xml:44: element include: XInclude error : could not load C/qa-testing.xml, and no fallback was found [19:41] qa.xml:26: element section: validity error : Element section content does not follow the DTD, expecting (sectioninfo? , (title , subtitle? , ti$ [19:41] qa.xml:31: element xref: validity error : IDREF attribute linkend references an unknown ID "qa-testing-ppa" [19:41] qa.xml:31: element xref: validity error : IDREF attribute linkend references an unknown ID "qa-testing-exploratory" [19:41] Document C/index.xml does not validate [19:51] that's broken then [19:53] Might be just the missing closing '' on line 32 of qa-testing.xml [19:55] probably is [19:55] I'd do something about it if I could - but I can't [19:57] it's certainly missing :p [19:59] Also, that's...From the wrong repo, so disregard meee.:D [21:31] !team | meeting in 30ish [21:31] meeting in 30ish: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [21:33] /join #xubuntu-council [21:34] lets try that again :p [21:38] :D [21:39] evening all [21:39] hi bluesabre :) [21:39] hi flocculant [21:40] not doing this again ... been awake since 4:30 :p [21:40] twice actually - managed a small nap this afternoon lol [21:41] yikes [21:43] uhh [21:43] accidental right time and place [21:43] i'll take it [21:44] evening knome [21:44] hullo [21:44] laptop soon [21:46] flocculant: Again,sorry! :/ [21:46] sorry for what? [21:49] flocculant, simply being here? :P [21:49] Being awful last meeting. [21:49] Or what knome said. [21:49] oh nvm about that :) [21:49] either lol [21:52] hello o/ [21:53] 'lo [21:53] hi Spass [21:54] getting ready for the meeting? [21:54] yea [21:54] * flocculant puts on the rocket boots to drag this one along tonight [21:56] * bluesabre wants rocket boots [21:57] :D [21:59] comically, https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347318 is now thousands of lines old [22:00] #startmeeting [22:00] Meeting started Mon Jun 4 22:00:10 2018 UTC. The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [22:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [22:00] #chair bluesabre Unit193 [22:00] Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre flocculant [22:00] evening all [22:00] who's here tonight then :) [22:00] o/ [22:01] one interloper - me [22:01] \o [22:01] anyway lets get going and wait for Unit193 to say he's here :p [22:01] #topic Open action items [22:01] looks like all are done [22:01] #done knome to send another call for council membership nominations [22:01] #done knome to set up the umbrella blueprint for CC [22:01] #done knome to deal with dev.x.o for CC [22:02] nice [22:02] #topic Updates and Announcements [22:02] yup [22:02] :) [22:02] #info Release Schedule for Cosmic not set up [22:02] should do council I suppose [22:02] #info New Council set up [22:03] evening all [22:03] #info Thanks to the 2 outgoing council chappies knome and ochosi [22:03] hi ochosi :) [22:03] anyone else have anything for this? [22:03] you're all welcome and congrats again for the new council :) [22:03] +1 [22:04] #info xubuntu code branches moved to git (more on this later) [22:04] (no more updates from me, I think) [22:04] :) [22:05] #topic Discussion [22:05] then :) [22:06] #subtopic Blueprints [22:06] can team leads get their blueprints up together so we've got an idea what to expect [22:06] Umbrella blueprint available at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-c-roadmap [22:06] not that any but the dev one changes much from cycle to cycle :D [22:07] I know my one doesn't ... [22:07] time to break something [22:07] :) [22:07] already updated the artwork stuff, but tbh it's mostly maintenance at this point [22:07] ack [22:07] unless someone wants to step up in that area, it's going to stay at this level [22:07] ochosi is waiting for gtk4 [22:08] I had a question about arty stuff - but bluesabre answered that [22:08] ha ha [22:08] you mean as in "waiting for gtk4 to finally give up artwork completely"? [22:08] :) [22:08] lol [22:08] lol [22:08] for the visitors, blueprint progress can be tracked at https://dev.xubuntu.org/ [22:09] the dev blueprint looks good to me [22:09] quite a bit of interesting stuff there too [22:09] yea - to me as well [22:10] wondering whether we should at some point drop certain work items from the blueprint, as we have dragged them with us for at least 1 LTS cycle [22:10] might add some more stuff to it soon after I experiment a bit [22:10] (e.g. parole) [22:10] ochosi: I wouldn't be opposed to dropping that [22:10] then let's just do that [22:10] not going to be learning polkit unless I have to [22:10] we can still keep it as a bugreport in bugzilla [22:11] polkit or packagekit? [22:11] er, packagekit [22:11] p*kit [22:11] (dropped it) [22:11] thanks [22:11] > elementary-xfce: Split packaging for distribution improvements This is in progress. [22:11] the pidgin stuff i also have an unrealistic feeling about [22:12] Unit193: marked as such now [22:12] bluesabre: originally you signed up for patching pidgin, do you still feel you wanna do that? [22:12] It's basically done, just have to update some copyright crap and resubmit.. [22:12] ochosi: yeah, still might poke it [22:12] personally i'd love to get it done, but i know *i* won't have the energy [22:12] too much xfce stuff that needs attention [22:12] trying to do a lot early in the cycle so I have more energy to do investigative patchy stuff [22:13] (at least one less thunar plugin now that blocks shipping 1.7) [22:13] nice [22:14] Unit193, bluesabre: have your feelings wrt xfconf changed? do you still wanna go forward with it this cycle? [22:14] We'll see. [22:14] i'd rather get rid of the maybes as soon as possible so i know what to focus on upstream [22:14] that's my background [22:14] Not at this current stage, but things might start looking better. [22:15] what's the current stage? [22:15] what would have to change for things to look better? [22:17] no-one knows :p [22:18] seemingly... [22:18] Unit193? [22:19] Oh, hi. Yes, not everything is ready yet. Don't remember if it goes further than thunar plugins not being ported yet. Might be just that. I'll look soon. [22:19] i meant wrt xfconf specifically [22:20] the thunar stuff is sorta in progress i'd say, and do-able mostly [22:20] most of this 4.13 stuff is all in ppa's currently is it not? [22:20] if not all [22:20] not sure tbh [22:20] the panel didn't use to be [22:20] Not quite everything, no. [22:20] flocculant: Daily builds will start spitting out for Cosmic. [22:21] would definitely be helpful to get everything PPA'd so ppl can start taking things for a spin [22:21] +1 [22:21] I'll see what I'm missing once I get Cosmic up for floc. [22:22] ok - well currently obviously set to bionic here - if I can be told when the ppa actually gets cosmic I can see what I find here [22:22] ack [22:22] yay coordination :D [22:22] that'll at least see a start to it [22:23] I said I would when he asked, I was just in Indiana at the time. Anyway, anything else here? [22:23] Also, xfce4-settings needs to be fixed first. [22:23] not from me on bp's or this [22:23] yeah, remind me what needs done there [22:23] (Xfce 14381) [22:23] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 14381 in Xfsettingsd "xfsettingsd --replace does not replace old daemon" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381 [22:23] perfect [22:24] i wonder if this is fixed by the gdbus transition in git master [22:24] will get that on my list for this week [22:25] so I'm no longer a blocker [22:25] anything else? [22:25] nothing more bp-related from me [22:26] #subtopic Git [22:26] what an awesome subtopic for this old git :D [22:26] :D [22:26] so bluesabre :) [22:27] #info We've moved all of our branches (except test cases) to git! [22:27] #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/git for more information [22:27] We'll be working on writing some quality documentation so nobody is left in the dark [22:27] :p [22:28] bluesabre: actually what's there is a good start [22:28] just for those not reading bp subscription mails : [22:28] not sure you really wanna go into the details of how git works [22:28] that'll soon start to be a copy-paste job from the git book [22:28] ochosi: Perhaps a "git for bzr users" can either be written or linked. [22:28] ochosi: yeah, don't want to do too much, don't want to do too little [22:29] threw me completely [22:29] yeah, sounds like a valid link [22:29] * flocculant has enough trouble as it is [22:30] but yeah, if any git users want to drop by and write up some nice docs, feel free to [22:31] it was the fails that completely did for me tbh [22:31] if it had just worked I would likely have not had a paddy :p [22:31] :D [22:31] anyway - anything else we need to say on this? [22:32] Hopefully we can smooth out the issues over this cycle so there's no more paddies [22:32] other than thanks for doing it :) [22:32] ha ha [22:32] flocculant: nothing more so far [22:32] * flocculant grabs the rocket boots then [22:32] #subtopic Core [22:32] so [22:32] so [22:32] this one [22:32] again :p [22:32] This one might be a bit delayed [22:32] I refreshed all the patches [22:32] I see we've got the files updated? [22:33] and seemingly years of history are now missing from lp:debian-cd [22:33] oh right [22:33] https://code.launchpad.net/debian-cd last modified 2013-05-06 [22:33] (wasn't like that before) [22:34] well I guess that's not good then [22:34] no, probably not [22:34] need to ask around about that [22:34] But, the short of it is, patches are up-to-date, merges have been requested [22:34] ok [22:34] and I'll be harrassing the ubuntu teams to get it in this cycle [22:35] so generally what's our next step - get -release involved again? [22:35] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/files ? [22:35] should look up when typing ... [22:36] bluesabre: obviously there the sooner the better to get it testing [22:36] Unit193: seems like they moved trunk [22:36] breaking https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/+merge/347318 :D [22:37] flocculant: definitely [22:38] but yeah, progress on core is being made [22:38] cool [22:38] so at the moment - kind of up in the air till we find out some 'stuff' ? [22:39] yeah, will probably grab slangasek once I get the merge request sorted [22:39] k - do you want to action you there? [22:40] #action bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged [22:40] ACTION: bluesabre to continue getting Xubuntu Core patches merged [22:40] cos I'm too tired to word it sensibly [22:40] there were 2 other items - but I tabled them as 1 we sort of discussed in bp's and the other depends on that :) [22:41] #topic AOB [22:41] anyone got anything they want to bring up? [22:42] Don't think I do [22:42] oh [22:42] I'll just mention this [22:43] #info Checking of package testcases is well in hand - thanks to willem [22:43] plan to get that moving this cycle some [22:43] awesome [22:44] currently he's stuck on orage trying to work it out even though he never uses it - and it was written by someone who never uses it :p [22:44] anyway - nothing else from me [22:45] so if no-one else has anything ... [22:45] * flocculant waits a short while to cool the boots a bit [22:46] nothing else from me [22:46] nope [22:47] #topic Schedule next meeting [22:47] #action slickymaster to set next meeting [22:47] ACTION: slickymaster to set next meeting [22:47] #endmeeting [22:47] Meeting ended Mon Jun 4 22:47:13 2018 UTC. [22:47] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-06-04-22.00.moin.txt [22:47] ok - thanks peeps - cya tomorrow - night night :) [22:48] ochosi: Please allow us to drop d/p/xubuntu_support-dmtool.patch! [22:48] bluesabre: Why we no sync thunar?! [22:48] http://paste.openstack.org/show/ytqYbYCQuzcUZdBOqXQ4 [22:49] Unit193: I see no reason not to, go for it [22:52] bluesabre: Done. Oh! You did the reviewy thingy, I think? [22:52] Unit193: ok, if you promise to package the panel sooner than later i'll try to get it merged for 4.13 ;) [22:52] Well, considering I've been highly procrastinating because of that merge? Sure! :P [22:53] Unit193: which reviewy thingy? [22:53] flocculant: thanks for running the meeting [22:53] flocculant: Yes thanks. And your ppa 'experimental' will be ready by morning. [22:54] sn-plug, IIRC you said yes. [22:54] Unit193: indeed [22:57] bluesabre: any reason not to check if gdmflexiserver is in the path actions_plugin_action_activate ? [22:57] i mean i agree it's not making matters worse... [22:58] ochosi: don't see any reason why not [22:58] i mean the path check wasn't there before [22:58] maybe you dind [22:59] didn't add it not to alter the behavior [22:59] not sure [23:00] I don't remember tbh [23:00] I think gdmflexiserver itself is deprecated [23:00] yeah, the executable has been dropped a longer while ago [23:01] i guess it makes sense to integrate this change with the upstream panel too [23:01] anyway, i created a git patch based on the existing debian patch [23:01] i'll push this now, so it'll end up in the next panel 4.13 release [23:01] backporting for 4.12 doesn't make too much sense imo [23:02] yeah [23:02] are you as optimistic as me that we might be able to get 4.14 out the door in the next 12 months? [23:04] yeah, after all the hot season will end at some point [23:04] so ppl will end up behind their keyboards again [23:06] ochosi: For switching, xfce4-session or whatnot has a new feature for that, but unfortunately can't quite rely on it existing yet since it's only in 4.13. [23:07] where would i find that? [23:08] https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/commit/?id=ac387875a5e0d4239848fa3560757fb7ef0c2338 [23:10] ah right [23:11] i guess i could try the dbus call and fall back to dm-tool if it fails [23:13] another night though, for now you can be happy about dropping another patch ;) [23:14] Yes! [23:14] And, all the -panel delta. [23:15] another patch dropped, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0q_GXMw7U :D === wxl_ is now known as wxl [23:47] bluesabre: ...Didn't we kind of try to upstream the accountsservice patch of xfdesktop? I don't see it in commit logs nor bugzilla.