 @zubozrout, Are you raising an issue for it?
 @dohniks Here you go: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/658 … Actually, I accidentally clicked on saving the report before I had filled it in so it has been there laying completely empty for a few minutes. Hopefully no harm has been done.
 Thanks
 Someone Else has the problem that keyboard capitalizes the second word you type? on Xenial
 which app? But yeah, I've seen it before - not sure if it is Xenial specific though, but it is true I haven't been running Vivid for almost 10 months.
 Doesn't Seem to happen every where...
 or all the time
 Tg Web in browserng in desktop mode
 In staged it doesn't seem to happen
 and some backspacing and retyping also makes it unreproducible momentarily
 Well, I can't reproduce it now :(. Not sure why it happens but there have been all sorts of text input issues like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1648599 - though this seems to be fixed in Xenial. I think I've seen it reported somewhere on Ubports GitHub as well, actually my launchpad report m
[06:19] <ubptgbot> ay be a duplicate, but I can't find them now :(
 Interesting smartphone
 Fwd from BlackBerry: Those who want to see the presentation of Key2 live in Russian, come to the channel Diamagnetik. It will be interesting (not advertising) … https://youtu.be/ySEZieIT9MM
 @kesha21, Why it's interesting for UBports? Please explain it or delete that post because it's just look as plain spam now. Thank you
 Today will BlackBerry Key2 presentation. This is very interesting, not usually smartphone
 (Photo, 1042x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/aiCqxwCe.png
 This might fit better in @ubports_ot
 @Lyokanthrope, Ok
 What happened to the notes app?
 It disappeared right after I updated it
 @Georgecloon, I think there was a version number problem. Being fixed
 Ah, ok.
 [Edit] Why is it interesting for UBports? Please explain it or delete that post because it's just look as plain spam now. Thank you
 Fwd from zubozrout: There has been an update to Notes for Xenial in the OpenStore https://open-store.io/app/com.ubuntu.reminders ... degrading from version 0.5.568 to 0.5 and it is missing an icon and isn't even listed in the apps scope. Probably some mismatch with the app id as ubuntu-app-launch-appids doesn't see it once
[09:17] <ubptgbot> installed.
 We are efficient 😎
 GitLab’s Ultimate & Gold Plans Are Now Free For Open-Source Projects | It's FOSS … https://itsfoss.com/gitlab-free-open-source/
 @PacoIgnazioTaiboII please see the pinned message. Thank you
 @advocatux, You're right, @advocatux, it was just an update on the issue!
 Sure, but the place for that is the forum 😉
 I'm sorry for the setback, thank you :)
 For FP2 on 15.04
 Fwd from YougoChats: question: is anyone else having problems with the phone/mobile data connection? theindicator says it's fine, but over time it just stops doing anything.  no internet traffic, missing calls and text messages, can't dial out
 Fwd from YougoChats: i have to reboot for it to work again for a time
 weird
 is there some log i can pull up to see if it's hardware or software related?
 dmesg? syslog? not sure where ofono logs to (if syslog or elsewhere), maybe something in `~/.cache/upstart/` for indicator-network logs, maybe other stuff in there too, not sure
 https://pastebin.com/GgH7kG0c … dmesg
 https://pastebin.com/3NLcw82y … syslog
 coud someone be so kind to take a look and see what's going on?
 Hi there, was updating the notes app, since it sad the new official version is in open store now. After installation there is no icon, find the app only in the open store list (my apps). No way to open it. I am on r3, 15.04, M10, FHD. Reinstallation did not help. Anyone found the same issue? Thx
 Blame @universalsuperbox
 @duotincta, Delete the app and restart the phone.
 Don't want to blame anybody, just want to go outside writing my novel in the summer sun. :) At least it was not me. ;) Thank you, Dalton. @UniversalSuperBox
 @duotincta, [Edit] Delete (uninstall) the app and restart the phone.
 @malditobastardo, that won't fix a broken click package
 @dohbee, But he will recover the app again
 @malditobastardo, no it will be uninstalled
 I did that and now I have the note app again
 or you're saying the old version will work again because it's "newer" than the new version?
 @dohbee, Yeah
 hmm, does it show as an update, but only in open store app, or also in system settings?
 Yes I had exactly the same behavior when I updated the app. After rebooting the pbone the Icon came back but in open store it shows me that there is the update. Even there I cant see the icon
[15:22] <ubptgbot> yas was added by: yas
 @malditobastardo it works! First I turned off the tablet completely and the app did not appear. After reinstallation of the new one and deinstallation again and simple restart without shut down the old version came back. Thanky you very much!
 @dohbee, The open store likes downgrading or upgrading.
 It just wants the user on its version
 @UniversalSuperBox, but is behavior the same between app and system-settings?
 @dohbee system-settings never offered a downgrade for me while OpenStore does that. I wouldn't mind if it allowed me to downgrade to the OpenStore version of the app but it shouldn't show up the same way as updates - perhps not show up at all on the main screen and only be visible in the app detail page.
 well this wasn't actually a "downgrade" in that sense
 but yes, sounds like an issue in open store app
 If I install a newer version of an app then OpenStore does the same. And considering the truncated version number in the latest Notes package it can be seen as a downgrade - and OpenStore sees it as that - based on the message it show's on the app page.
 right, it's a bug, because click doesn't really support downgrades
 but there's also a bug in click, because really the version number the developer provides is supposed to be mostly irrelevant, and just a visual indicator
 Hmm, I didn't know that. Anyway, aren't both OpenStore and system-settings checking for updates based on the version nubers?
 and the unfortunate complexity of click casues some issues like this to be unavoidable in certain cases
 well system-settings was (i think probably still is) using the dpkg version comparison to determine if something is an update or not
 dpgk? Can dpkg compare click package versions or ota updates?
 there's a library that provides the version comparison algortithm as part of its API
 basically the same as running `dpkg --compare-versions "0.1.1" eq "0.2.2"` for example
 @dohbee, wasn't that an attribute of snaps? click is still deb structured underneath
 @sergiusens, it's an attribute of both. the click format itself is based on deb tools, but the "is it an update" from the store was always meant to be based on the published revision, not the version string
 @dohbee Thanks for the info, I had no idea :)
 but the whole having different installed versions for different useres and such stuff creates some extraneous complexity in click, and we used the dpkg version comparison on the client side mainly because we expected developers to expect that behavior and that we expected developers to not upload a new package with a lower version st
[16:49] <ubptgbot> ring :)
 so this is a problem of having two sources of truth, as open store wants its published revisions and system settings thinks its different?
 i think open store is treating as a downgrade based on the version string, according to what @zubozrout just stated
 but i think it's expecting that to work correctly underneath in click, and it's not
 Well, you could never upload a click package with older version number to the Canonical store and you can't do it in the OpenStore either. So the version number should be reliable information for upgrades - unless you have elevated rights and can create a new revision with lovers version number as in case of Notes today :)
 [Edit] Well, you could never upload a click package with older version number to the Canonical store and you can't do it in the OpenStore either. So the version number should be reliable information for upgrades - unless you have elevated rights and can create a new revision with lover version number as in case of Notes today :)
 [Edit] Well, you could never upload a click package with older version number to the Canonical store and you can't do it in the OpenStore either. So the version number should be reliable information for upgrades - unless you have elevated rights and can create a new revision with lower version number as in case of Notes today :)
 ah, well then.
 would be good to fix the underlying issues at some point, though
 Regarding the broken online accounts in apps Contacts app (so far the only working app) doesn't work either now on Xenial.
 (Photo, 800x450) https://irc.ubports.com/OIJTlX0c.png Good News! GitLab’s Paid Plans Are Now Free For Open-Source Projects … —> https://kutt.it/opengitlab
 yep, we have see several times ;)
 but cool news
 @Hasbreak, this is OT here. Off-top should go to @ubports_ot
 pleeease don't spam the supergroup with unrelated links. read the pinned post
 (Sticker, 512x483) https://irc.ubports.com/ZT7LnCbF.webp
 @vanyasem, The pinned post is about moving to gitlab, so it's rather a related link for this project..
 [Edit] Regarding the broken online accounts in apps Contacts app (so far the only working app) doesn't work either now on Xenial. … Edit: I was about to update this report: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/589 but after I launched the Contacts app the foruth time or something like that it suddenly started working aga
[17:44] <ubptgbot> in. But I did removed my original Google account and re-logged in again in the meantime.
 @Hasbreak, no, it's not. the pinned post says that we're NOT making a decision yet. this link is totally unrelated. please, don't spam the supergroup
 @Hasbreak, the related place to post it is in the forum, as was already stated the last time someone posted that in here
 How is that spamming, it's only a few messages.. ughh, whatever
 and as the pinned message says, we're not switching
 even if it was on topic, we don't need everyone in the chat posting the same link
 I've a git 'etiquette' question. When I update a PR after feedback, should I `git commit --amend` and `git push --force`?
 bump?
 Fwd from YougoChats: For FP2 on 15.04
 Fwd from YougoChats: question: is anyone else having problems with the phone/mobile data connection? theindicator says it's fine, but over time it just stops doing anything.  no internet traffic, missing calls and text messages, can't dial out
 Fwd from YougoChats: i have to reboot for it to work again for a time
 Fwd from YougoChats: https://pastebin.com/GgH7kG0c … dmesg
 Fwd from YougoChats: https://pastebin.com/3NLcw82y … syslog
 Fwd from YougoChats: coud someone be so kind to take a look and see what's going on?
 @YougoChats, did you toggle flight mode in there?
 yes, to trigger some eventmaybe
 it just told me "no sim card" after that
 did switch AP mode on, and then off at some point?
 AP=flightmode?
 then yes?
 no, wifi host
 ok. yes i did, to get it out of the way and test mobile data connection
 wifi usually keeps working
 oh
 i would say reboot, and let it fail, and don't do such things trying to "fix" it, then check the logs, just so they're a bit cleaner and easier to find a problem if it's something being logged
 there's a lot of noise i nthe syslog there, because of all those events
 ok. i figgured i'd try to trigger events, but that doesnt help, i see
 sure, once you've determined that doesn't help though, it's just noise in the logs :)
 @dohniks, nope thats not how it works :)
 rild / ofono log is probably worth more. Syslog has nothing
 @Flohack, ofonod logs to syslog i think
 probably rild does too
 I dont think so, never saw this on the phone. Also, logs get deleted too early, so you miss lots of infos there
 dunno who put the truncation to minutes
 also the app logs are a joke 😆
 there's obviously "ofonod:" entries in that syslog
 also, the issue is likely something that bubbles up from kernel, and maybe everything looks fine in userspace, but one of the log messages from kernel side could be revealing
 but given the "indicator looks fine, but network is just not working" comment, i expect indicator logs won't be helpful either
 well,just our luck, the fp2 is at it again
 do you prefer pastebin or just send the text files?
 syslog is 15MB, goes back for hours and hours
 ... aand the fp2 reboots on its own. got the logs out just in time
 doesn't matter to me, but i probably won't be able to figure out the issue either. i don't really know much about the telephony layer, or the fp2 oddities
 and don't have an fp2
 ok. thanks for looking though
 @Flohack are you willing to ive it a go?
 syslog and dmesg
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/PV7Z0gXP.txt
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/30zT0Ltk.txt
 I personally cannot tell anything from this ;)
[19:36] <ubptgbot> <Furnace McOven> Hey guys. I want to start building an app for UT. I currently run an elementary OS on my PC. Is there a way to start building the app (Web app in a wrappe...not the QT version) without the ubuntu SDK?
 clickable
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Furnace McOven> Ok wow
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Furnace McOven> Thank you so much
 guys and gals, I'm having an issue on my Nexus 4 (15.04). I used to have LTE enabled but now I can't, and setup only shows 2g or 3g as options...
 @Gorsh2, did you update radio firmware?
 @dohbee, Not that I know of...
 ok, so settings on UT only shows 2g/3g, and doesn't have an LTE option, though LTE may still work
 but on nexus 4, google explicitly disabled LTE in a radio firmware update, at one point, so if you have newer firmware it won't work
 is there anybody from helsinki here?
 Yeah, but I had the LTE firmware before, I changed it when this had android and it carried over to this ubporta install... Until a few days ago
 Are you using 16.04
 No, 15 still
 Okay yup that's weird
 Is there a way to signal the system  to try to use LTE?
 3.
 I have a theory though... Can you reboot to recovery then plug your device into a PC? Then, run … `adb shell mv /data/android-data /data/android-data.old`
 And reboot
[20:10] <ubptgbot> XarpSanty was added by: XarpSanty
 @mymike00, There is a Finnish group
 thanks but I'm italian... I'll be in helsinki for a while, so I wanted to know if I could meet someone here...
 @UniversalSuperBox, Let's try...
 @Gorsh2, there is an ofono config thing but i forge the exact details
 but if you select 2g/3g it should use 4g if available
 @UniversalSuperBox, I got the dented wheel on the upper network menu and "no sim" now... But it does that when I'm low on battery, so I'll charge up and say
 Disregard that: I'm back at 3g ("H")
 i thought H was 2.5g and H+ was 3.5g or something
 @dohbee, Beats me...
 yeah, either one is 4g/L
[23:47] <ubptgbot> fliperama00 was added by: fliperama00