[03:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:54] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:59] <xangua> Midnight hi
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> night owl :p
[06:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:07] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:07] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> all great here lordievader
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> cuppa coffee and silent morning
[06:12] <lordievader> Good to  hear :)
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> and raining now oO
[06:18] <xangua> Rain sucks in hot weather places... Just makes them hotter when it's gone
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning
[06:19] <lordievader> Here it is synny and warm.
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> belgium is a very humid country
[06:19] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:19] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:20] <ducasse> i'm good thanks, and you?
[06:22] <lordievader> Doing good here.
[06:22] <lordievader> Back in Holland 🎉
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> wb :p
[06:30] <ducasse> lordievader: been away?
[06:31] <lordievader> Yes, had a conference in Germany.
[07:02] <lordievader> The Biergarten was fun 😁
[08:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[08:53] <Allie`> EriC^^: don't you mean... c-ya? ;)
[08:56] <EriC^^> Allie`: haha :D
[09:38] <ducasse> morning, BluesKaj - how are you today?
[09:44] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, doing fine here, how about you?
[09:46] <BluesKaj> trying out the Kvirc IRC client, lots of options , too many aamof, not easy to find some settings
[09:51] <EriC^^> '''
[09:53] <BluesKaj> how to remove joins and parts for example
[09:53] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^
[09:53] <ducasse> BluesKaj: all well here, thanks - quiet day
[09:54] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[09:54] <BluesKaj> no hard font setting for the the chat text , gotta use ctl+ "+"
[09:55] <BluesKaj> pita so far, the devs priorities seem much different than mine :-)
[10:03] <ducasse> i'm going to stick with weechat, like it a lot :)
[10:25] <BluesKaj> i prefer GUI clients for irc and I'm begining to appreciate quassel's connection options, the proxy connection actually works :-)
[10:28] <BluesKaj> oops, crashed
[10:32] <ducasse> seeing people write "wouldn't of" instead of "wouldn't have" is like nails on a chalkboard, even to a non-native speaker
[10:34] <BluesKaj> heh, yeah, grammaticals are rampant these days ..it's due to the vernacular and misunderstanding of the word being pronounced
[10:36] <BluesKaj> ducasse:   Europeans and Scandinavians especially are very well educated in the English Language, much better than here in NA I think...the liberal education policy in Canada has ruined students ability to spell and use grammar correctly.
[10:37] <ducasse> i can sort of understand the misunderstanding because of how it sounds, but 'have' makes sense - 'of' doesn't :)
[10:37] <BluesKaj> for sure, yes
[10:39] <ducasse> possible, i know very little about your educational systems. we have good english education all the way through school and pick up a lot from tv and music etc.
[10:39] <BluesKaj> My son is appalled at the poor grammar and spelling he sees while marking some examination papers at the unviversity level.
[10:41] <ducasse> that's sad, at uni level they should know their own mother tongue
[10:44] <BluesKaj> the "don't make them feel uncomfortable" polcy of teaching in the elementary schools is ruining   our children's ability to compete due to the utter lack of proper English from every standpoint...it's almost like a conspiracy to bring them all down to the lowest common denominator
[10:46] <BluesKaj> those who really want to learn and do so on their own will soon be the winners in this society
[10:54] <BluesKaj> my wife was a teacher at the elementary and high school level and she saw this coming 40 yrs ago. I remember her being chastized by the principal of the elementary school, where she was running the school library, for letting kids take out books that were supposedly "beyond their comprehension"
[10:54] <ducasse> sure. i read a parent online saying it was inappropriate to talk to children in an angry tone, that's taking things a bit too far. how are you supposed to discipline them if you can't even do that?
[10:54] <JimBuntu> England English and NA English are no longer the same language.
[10:55] <JimBuntu> NA English has changed dramatically less than UK English over the last few hundred years.
[10:55] <Allie`> Nevermind Scottish and Welsh Englishes, as well as Aussie/South African/etc :D
[10:55] <JimBuntu> South African "English" is amazing. It's basically a pigeon language with all that dutch mixed in.
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hi JimBuntu, true enough
[10:56] <ducasse> \o JimBuntu
[10:56] <JimBuntu> Great morning BluesKaj and ducasse
[10:57] <JimBuntu> ducasse, I would start by scolding that parent... first by SMS, then probably face to face... with their husband present ( I know what you speak of )
[10:57] <JimBuntu> Funny story about Welsh....
[10:58] <JimBuntu> I somewhat recently read about how there were various people on a train... one of them was talking on their phone... one of the passengers got tired of it and started yelling at the phone talker...
[10:59] <JimBuntu> ... about how rude it is to speak arabic on the phone when no one can understand it, blah blah... the person who had been talking on the phone explains... they aren't speaking Arabic, they are speaking Welsh... and since they are in Wales... perhaps the English speaker should stop speaking the foreign language and mind their own business.
[10:59] <lordievader>  > the "don't make them feel uncomfortable" polcy of teaching in the elementary schools is ruining our children's ability to compete due to the utter lack of proper English from every standpoint...it's almost like a conspiracy to bring them all down to the lowest common denominator
[10:59] <lordievader> Speaking of this "don't make them feel uncomfortable" mentality, I saw a nice sketch about this some time ago. Let me see if I can find it.
[10:59] <lordievader> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh3Yz3PiXZw
[11:01] <BluesKaj> it's ok if they use normal voice level, but some think that what they say is so important that they feel the neded to share it with everyone.
[11:02] <BluesKaj> hmm, crashed again... cheking the logs
[11:06] <JimBuntu> "Students count, Teachers divide" <-- I like that chant
[11:06] <ducasse> great story, JimBuntu
[11:06] <ducasse> :)
[11:06] <JimBuntu> Thanks ducasse , it's not all that funny, except perhaps to me.
[11:07] <ducasse> to me as well :)
[11:10] <JimBuntu> 2000 + 2000 is obviously 20,002,000 and not 22,000 or 4,000.
[11:17] <ducasse> :)
[11:17] <ducasse> seems it's too hot for you to be doing math :)
[11:18] <Allie`> nine. it's nine.
[11:20] <JimBuntu> This one is good too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM
[11:29] <BluesKaj> let's see if old knoversation can hold up under the this unstable condition
[11:34] <BluesKaj> got a msg in /var/log/syslog that my nvidia driver is not up to date ...using nvidia 390.59, but the quessel version  should be using 390.67
[11:35] <BluesKaj> strange
[11:35] <BluesKaj> since the new version isn't availble
[11:36] <BluesKaj> BBL,stuff to do for a while
[13:10] <EriC^^> afternoon everyone
[13:14] <lordievader> 👋
[13:20] <EriC^^> hey lordievader
[13:21] <lordievader> How are you, EriC^^ ?
[13:39] <hggdh> morning, folks
[13:39] <pragmaticenigma> morning
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> question for the masses... I'm trying to locate a video editor that can edit a MPEG-TS/PS file for cutting out segmentts of the video, then transcoding the remaining content into mkv container with x264 and aac/mp3 audio. So far tools that I have used result in the audio losing sync with the video. Is there a application (or even a tutorial) that would fit my needs?
[13:43] <daftykins> is it MPEG2 at source within the TS?
[13:45] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, not the simplest... but if you know the parts you want to remove... ffmpeg
[13:46] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: I've tried, but I need GUI in order to layout the cut points
[13:46] <pragmaticenigma> And ffmpeg with my settings has also caused audio sync drifting
[13:48] <daftykins> try feeding the main file into handbrake and see if the output is synced up
[13:48] <daftykins> it's essentially just a GUI wrapper around x264 and so on but eh, might be helpful to do that step first THEN chop it up
[13:53] <Allie`> we should bite people less for falling prey to elementary's marketing
[13:53] <Allie`> it's not a good habit
[13:54] <hggdh> the reasoning I missed in the discussion is "ElementaryOS is Ubuntu the same way Ubuntu is Debian"
[13:55] <daftykins> all elementary/Mint users should be shot on site :)
[13:55] <hggdh> :-)
[13:55] <Allie`> daftykins: alright, hitler
[13:55] <Allie`> :P
[13:55] <daftykins> er, site and sight both :D
[13:55] <Allie`> but 4srs: let's not bite users for using distros that have great marketing but bad engineering
[13:56] <Allie`> most elementary users can be convinced over to ubuntu+gnome, for instance
[13:56] <daftykins> conversion isn't your goal here, directing to the right place for support from their *REAL* distro is, or you're welcome to take it up directly if you're in the mood
[13:57] <daftykins> if they're in there because their distro lacks a community, then highlighting that is always a good move too, maybe they'll see sense
[13:57] <hggdh> that's OK. One should use whatever distro one feels comfortable with
[13:57] <hggdh> daftykins: +1
[13:57] <Allie`> conversion may not be the goal, but "ugh ubuntu users are assholes" is not a thing we want to achieve
[13:57] <Allie`> i mean, we ARE assholes, but it's bad press ;)
[13:57] <JimBuntu> Yes, we don't want everyone finding out
[13:58] <JimBuntu> We can also point them to ##linux...
[13:58] <hggdh> no, it is not something to strive for. But there is only so much that can be done in #ubuntu without having the channel mutate itself into chaos
[13:58] <daftykins> there always used to be a claim around that Mint holds back security updates though, no good reason that distro is still alive
[13:59] <Allie`> daftykins: Mint can absolutely burn
[13:59] <Allie`> they still don't have a security team i don't think
[13:59] <daftykins> ah good you are on the same page :>
[13:59] <Allie`> oh yeah, i dislike elementary and mint something fierce
[13:59] <Allie`> but i can understand why someone would be taken by them
[13:59] <Allie`> especially "new" users coming from windows/etc
[13:59] <JimBuntu> How does this conversion work...? Is it... Windows -> Mint -> Ubuntu -> Debian -> Arch -> Gentoo ?
[14:00] <hggdh> actually, for me it was the other way around
[14:00] <Allie`> I went windows > 4.10 > mint > ubuntu > mint > macOS > macOS/ubuntu Gnome
[14:01] <Allie`> (you can tell about what point I decided I cared about audio drivers)
[14:01] <daftykins> macOS :(
 -> Slackware -> RedHat -> SuSE -> Gentoo -> Debian -> Ubuntu
[14:01] <lordievader> Gentoo \o/
[14:01] <Allie`> daftykins: my macs are basically music appliances
[14:02] <Allie`> they just happen to be nice machines too :P
[14:02] <Allie`> like, I wish I could just buy an X280 and stick linux on it and not have to deal with other operating systems ever again
[14:02] <Allie`> but I also like my audio drivers working
[14:02] <daftykins> their hardware is horrible and made to fail and not be repaired
[14:03]  * Allie` redirects daftykins in mint's general direction :P
[14:03] <Allie`> their hardware has not failed me in the decade and a bit i've been using it, with one exception which was my fault
[14:04] <Allie`> and, hey, the 12" macbook runs ubuntu awesomely
[14:06] <daftykins> that's the one the class action lawsuit has begun for the butterfly switch keyboards which fail
[14:06] <daftykins> +for,
[14:06] <daftykins> you might just have old enough kit that doesn't use the soldered in SSDs then
[14:06] <daftykins> (the 12" definitely does, though)
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> handbrake doesn't allow for cuts though... handbrake is what I currently use for the final transcode process... I'm trying to find a solution that can handle things at one time
[14:08] <JimBuntu> !lightworks
[14:08] <JimBuntu> Lightworks - https://www.lwks.com/   ? pragmaticenigma
[14:09] <Allie`> daftykins: soldered SSDs are a feature to me - my music macs are appliances, the less moving parts the less there is to fail
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: Ideally looking for the freemium end of the spectrum
[14:09] <Allie`> the first gen butterfly keyboards were a bit naff, but even then they're not horrible by any means
[14:10] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/tag/videoeditors
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> I've tried avidemux and Tencoder
[14:11] <daftykins> Allie`: no you misunderstand, a normal SSD is removable as it's SATA or PCIe attached, so even if the machine dies the data is all right there when unplugging it (if no backup is in place)
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: I'm hoping to find suggestions for applications other's have had success with. I can lookup all sorts of applications the same as you, but that doesn't give me the desired user experience side of the equation
[14:11] <daftykins> newer apple hardwares soldered on SSD chips means you're mostly up a creek without a paddle if the attached mainboard fails
[14:13] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, Ok, I don't generally use any GUI ones... so I could only talk about things like gstreamer, x264 & ffmpeg
[14:13] <Allie`> daftykins: i've had one logic board failure about 5 years ago and they gave me a new machine :P
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: That's easy to use when all you want is to transcode... but I need edit... hard to edit video ... kind of a visual element
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> Allie`: They do that when you're in warrenty... wait until you're out of warrenty
[14:14] <daftykins> pragmaticenigma: again you missed the point, my suggestion was convert THEN chop, but just see if the conversion leaves it desynced or not
[14:14] <daftykins> Allie`: i really detest the way Apple fans call it a logic board :( must be paying a lot on the ol' applecare front then
[14:14] <daftykins> they only care if you're lining their pockets :>
[14:15] <Allie`> eh, they used to pay for themselves pretty well when music was my day job :P
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins: That's what I'm doing now... Using MythTV's editor to chop and convert from TS to PS... then handbrake to carry the last mile to compressed
[14:15]  * Allie` had a business acc and all
[14:15] <Allie`> Applecare's just another expense
[14:15] <Allie`> sure, they were a bit of money, but... eh, they did pay for themselves and the alternative was *windows*
[14:16] <daftykins> let's not have one of those pathetic conversations where you embarass yourself
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins: I'm tring to get away from needing MythTV's editor as it requires I'm at the machine with MythTV running (remote running is too slow over my network)...
[14:16] <daftykins> no OS wars today please :>
[14:16] <daftykins> (apart from the Mint slaying, that's fine ;D )
[14:17] <daftykins> pragmaticenigma: no that sounds like the other way around to what i'm suggesting?
[14:17] <Allie`> daftykins: all I'm saying is that it made sense for me at the time :P
[14:18] <Allie`> I was working with stuff that needed Windows or MacOS, I picked the one that was stable
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins: It is... but it's even worse when I do what you have suggested... the audio goes from a second or two delay to up to a full minute, and it ends up being a sliding delay... the video starts with a 15 second audio delay, by the end of a 30 minute show, it's off by 3 minutes
[14:18] <Allie`> these days I straddle linux and macOS about equally, depending on what I'm doing. I'd love to give up the macs entirely someday, but, eh... i'm not interested in rushing that
[14:19] <Allie`> but yes, this is all subjective: objectively mediocre linux distros are the thing we agree on ;)
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins: Going by wisdom of many A/V forums... MPEG2 is far easier to edit and manage than using a containered format. The Containered formats require to transcode out of the comrpessed format, edit, then recompress
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> MPEG2, doesn't have such a huge leap in the decompression, as it's minimally compressed
[14:20] <Allie`> you can have lossless/uncompressed video in containers too
[14:20] <Allie`> they're containers, the codec doesn't matter
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> Allie`: You completely missed the point
[14:22] <Allie`> we're all talking past eachother today, apparently
[14:25] <daftykins> pragmaticenigma: demux maybe, not not transcode
[14:25] <daftykins> so essentially you asked a question then said no to any and all suggestions without giving them a go
[14:25] <daftykins> cool :)
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> I said no, because I have tried them in the past
[14:35] <daftykins> so a direct conversion from source with handbrake is out of sync, or no?
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> handbrake is fine, but you cannot edit video (cut segments out)
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> and when I use Avidemux to do the video cuts, I get audio sync issues.
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> Avidemux is a frontend GUI to FFMPEG... It doesn't matter if I start with MPEG2-TS, MPEG2-PS, x264/aac, for the content, and whether I use a transcode while cutting or do a copy with cuts removed. Both end up with the audio out of sync
[14:41] <daftykins> yeah i wasn't suggesting handbrake for the editing given... it's not an editor
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> and I get what you were suggesting... transcode with handbrake, then use an editor to cut the unwanted parts. However that ends up with a worse sync issue for me.
[14:43] <daftykins> ok, that's the response that matches what i was suggesting
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> I presume that the worse effect is due to the fact that the editor has to take it from x264, decompress it, cut, recompress it, the changes in the time codes no longer easily sync up with the audio time codes
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> or these editors are making no effort to cut the audio at the same time codes
[14:45] <daftykins> maybe they have to have the audio and video handled separately in some manner o0
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> usually, yes
[14:51] <daftykins> maybe the codec choice of the audio factors in somehow too
[14:52] <daftykins> are you really wasting time recording broadcast TV though? :D
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> Being on a ISP that has a "data plan" ... yes... I record broadcast to watch later... often months later, most of it is already automatted (handbrake is controlled via script)... it's just MythTV's editor is so heavy just to remove the commercials
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> I've been trying to figure this out for a number of years... what I do does work for me, just would like to be able to put the MythTV machine else where the in house and use a video editor on a laptop.
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> So no answer is not going to bother me... I appreciate the suggestions, just looking to see if anyone had a new idea I hadn't encountered yet
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> gotta scoot ...ttfn
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> lemme get a drink first
[17:23] <EriC^^_> evening everyone
[17:39] <EriC^^_> !pnig
[17:39] <EriC^^_> !ping
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox
[20:49] <oerheks> oh roadrunner is back, with random question..
[20:50] <nacc> which they also asked in -server
[20:51] <Bashing-om> oerheks: ^ Puts me in mind as one who does not want to do his own homework :)