[07:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:57] <KrimZon_2> daftykins: a phone line fault
[07:58] <KrimZon_2> brobostigon: morning
[08:00] <brobostigon> morning
[10:28] <diddledan> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/06/07/norman-the-ai-bot-reads-reddit-becomes-psychopath/
[10:28] <Knight_Wrk> mornin everyone
[12:51] <daftykins> KrimZon_2: mmm i had the same not long ago after the snow melted into mine! :)
[13:13] <KrimZon_2> mine's mostly underground - I'm not sure what could've happened to it
[13:15] <KrimZon_2> Actually there's one weird ubuntu-related thing that's arisen at the same time - when I try "sudo apt-get upgrade" I get the error "Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?)"
[13:15] <KrimZon_2> I'm not sure if it's related
[13:16] <daftykins> what version do you have installed?
[13:16] <daftykins> you'd want to be running update prior to an upgrade as well of course, does that run cleanly?
[13:24] <KrimZon_2> oh, I meant update
[13:25] <KrimZon_2> it's the update that causes that message
[13:25] <KrimZon_2> I've got 18.04, which I've had since alpha
[13:27] <daftykins> can you do a "sudo apt update | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link it hopefully generates?
[13:28] <KrimZon_2> ok
[13:29] <KrimZon_2> http://termbin.com/6e3v
[13:32] <daftykins> are you somewhere with a shared internet connection right now?
[13:32] <daftykins> or just anywhere likely to be using a proxy for web access?
[13:33] <KrimZon_2> no, it's my home network
[13:33] <KrimZon_2> I have apt-cache installed, but that's been working fine for a while
[13:33] <KrimZon_2> i'll try disabling it
[13:34] <KrimZon_2> when I can remember what file you edit to set it up
[13:35] <daftykins> /etc/name of program/ is pretty common :>
[13:36] <daftykins> you can also "dpkg -L <package name>" to show the files present
[13:36] <KrimZon_2> that seemed to fix it
[13:36] <daftykins> neat, just a misconfiguration somewhere then
[13:36] <KrimZon_2> but i'm not sure why it would break - I think it's unrelated to my internet connection
[13:36] <KrimZon_2> oh, no, it happened again
[13:37] <KrimZon_2> never mind, that was just another terminal window i'd forgotten about
[13:39] <KrimZon_2> it's just a stock apt-cacher install from the repo though
[13:40] <daftykins> never touched it i'm afraid
[13:40] <daftykins> what's the intended use? do you point other computers to the one that you update first to save the download cap or something?
[13:43] <KrimZon_2> sort of like that, except they download in different orders
[13:43] <KrimZon_2> apparently according to the internet squid-deb-proxy is better, so I'll try that instead
[13:44] <daftykins> mmm can't really follow what you're trying to achieve :)
[13:46] <KrimZon_2> just caching deb files on the server so I don't keep redownloading them when I have a bunch of ubuntu 18.04 installs
[13:47] <daftykins> ah yeah, i used to just scp the files from the /var/cache/apt/archives to another host then update
[14:19] <dharmin>  leena
[15:57] <daftykins> diddledan: hrmm you up for some paid work from some friends o' mine for looking over the potentially vulnerable old wordpress site of theirs?
[16:05] <daftykins> haven't received the backup yet, mind you
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> they're looking for the floppy they kept it on.... :-)
[16:10] <daftykins> probably :D
[16:10] <daftykins> discovered today that my mates mother in law has a mailbox sat out on hosting which isn't accessed directly, with 110,000 emails on
[16:10] <diddledan> sure
[16:10] <diddledan> lol @ zmoylan-pi
[16:10] <diddledan> tape, surely?
[16:11] <daftykins> :D
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> a basf c60 cassette.... from their zx spectrum... :-P