[00:09] <pocketmon> how can i know that some program is installed that i use apt-get
[00:10] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> is there anything I can do to give user permission to install a specific deb package, without opening a big security hole?
[00:11] <pocketmon> how can i know that some program is installed or not that i use apt-get?
[00:11] <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I was thinking of giving the user capability to `sudo` without password to install a package, but then the package has full access to the system and can do anything...
[00:12] <oerheks> apt-cache show or dpkg -s https://askubuntu.com/questions/180996/what-is-apt-cache-used-for
[00:12] <pavlos> pocketmon: apt policy <package> will repo in the fist line Installed: or none
[00:12] <massprog> hi, why there is not dsl/pppoe connection setting in ubuntu 18.04 ?
[00:13] <pocketmon> pavlos: apt policy nasm it is ok?
[00:14] <pavlos> pocketmon: sure ... is the first line Installed: (none) ?
[00:14] <pocketmon> Installed: 2.11.08-1
[00:14] <pocketmon> thanks pavlos :)
[00:14] <pavlos> pocketmon: np
[00:16] <mIk3_08> pocketmon: sudo apt list --installed
[00:17] <pocketmon> sudo apt nasm --installed. E: Command line option --installed is not understood in combination with the other options. mIk3_08
[00:19] <massprog> I don't have internet, is there anyone know why there is no dsl/pppoe connection settings in ubuntu 18.04 and how can I fix it ?
[00:19] <mIk3_08> use list to view all install apps on your machine
[00:20] <mIk3_08> pocketmon:i mean installed apps on your machine
[00:20] <pocketmon> ah
[00:20] <pocketmon> i will try it again
[00:22] <pocketmon> thanks mIk3_08 but it give me amazing information size
[00:23] <Edisto> I can't seem to get rid of alt+drag in movnig windows. I've changed it to super in ccsm, dconf, and marco windows management.
[00:23] <mIk3_08> pocketmon: great.
[00:23] <pocketmon> :)
[00:23] <oerheks> massprog, i helped you yesterday, no?
[00:24] <oerheks> massprog, sudo pppoeconf in terminal, to set it up, after that you can select dsl in your network manager
[00:24] <massprog> that wouldn't worked
[00:24] <massprog> sorry for asking again
[00:24] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[00:25] <oerheks> why not, where do you get stuck?
[00:26] <massprog> I did all steps but at the end didn't work
[00:26] <oerheks> that machine needs to be directly connected to the modem, right
[00:26] <pavlos> when I type cd, I get bash: cd: HOME not set
[00:26] <massprog> right
[00:27] <massprog> I used nm-connection-editor on mint 18.3 it worked
[00:28] <massprog> but I did the same on ubuntu and it created dsl/pppoe connection but it was no where that I can connect to it
[00:34] <Edisto> anyone know how to get rid of alt+drag when dconf is not working?
[00:36] <Apt514> Hi There
[00:36] <Apt514> Anyone using Xeniel
[00:37] <SporkWitch> Apt514: If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later.
[00:37] <Apt514> Okay Thank Spork
[00:39] <max3> how do i get network manager to work with iwlwifi driver?
[00:42] <max3> wifi doesn't show up when doing rfkill list all but does show up under ifconfig
[00:47] <mIk3_08> pocketmon: Welcome to Open Source. Good Luck.
[00:47] <pocketmon> :)
[00:58] <max3> can someone help me get my wifi working? i have an intel card. lspci -nnk | grep 0280 -A3 shows the right thing but the interface (or whatever) doesn't appear in rfkill list all
[01:02] <mIk3_08> max3: is your machine a desktop or laptop?
[01:02] <max3> laptop
[01:02] <mIk3_08> max3: try using your function keys...
[01:03] <max3> mIk3_08, it turned my dongle on and off
[01:04] <mIk3_08> max3: turn it on.
[01:04] <max3> mIk3_08, but didn't change the output of rfkill
[01:04] <max3> mIk3_08, i did in order to be back online and chatting here :)
[01:06] <mIk3_08> max3: try $ sudo rfkill list all
[01:07] <max3> http://dpaste.com/2BWQD3N
[01:07] <max3> phy0 is my dongle
[01:07] <max3> i think?
[01:08] <mIk3_08> yes
[01:08] <max3> here's lshw http://dpaste.com/19CBK1A
[01:08] <mIk3_08> max3: 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
[01:09] <max3> yes?
[01:09] <mIk3_08> Max3: Welcome to open source. Good Luck.
[01:09] <max3> lol
[01:10] <mIk3_08> :-D B-)
[01:10] <max3> dmesg | grep iwl gives me nothing
[01:13] <plex_dave> hey errrbody. I have a weird device that has a 32bit uefi or efi even though it can run a 64bit os
[01:14] <plex_dave> I found a known working 32-bit efi file but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to write that file to /EFI/BOOT on my flash installer
[01:15] <plex_dave> Mind you, a different workaround would be fine if folks in here think that I am going about this the wrong way
[01:28] <plex_dave> oh, the device is a dell venue pro 11 model 5130
[01:30] <oerheks> for 32 bit uefi machines: my advise is disable secure boot and have fun. do check the vendor website if the provide a 64 bit upgrade bios.
[01:30] <plex_dave> There is no 64 bit uefi. I have the most current bios.
[01:31] <plex_dave> Should I just grab a 16.04 32bit installer?
[01:32] <plex_dave> This device does not have a legacy bios mode. If it did, I wouldn't be in here askin for help
[01:34] <oerheks> oh a tablet
[01:34] <plex_dave> yeah, it's an atom, not arm.
[01:35] <plex_dave> cpu is 64bit. it's the strangest thing.
[01:35] <oerheks> Intel Atom Z3770, 4 core i see
[01:35] <plex_dave> Yes. I need to replace both the grub and uefi with 32 bit versions right?
[01:37] <plex_dave> We got about 150 of these in at work and I decided to snag one for myself just to goof around on.
[01:40] <oerheks> some guides talk about making a bootia32.efi, our wiki is also incomplete.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[01:41] <plex_dave> yeah I saw that... I must have done osmething wrong
[01:55] <plex_dave> this looks like it's designed to fix this issue. I am giving it a go :)
[01:55] <plex_dave> http://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2017/06/customizing-ubuntu-isos-documentation.html
[02:35] <baalkyo> I need some help about apt-mirror
[02:35] <baalkyo> I want install ubuntu on my local http server
[02:37] <baalkyo> by using apt-mirror can get deb or deb-src package except installer
[02:38] <baalkyo> so the question is how to config apt-mirror download installer package
[02:39] <baalkyo> I check my local server  and cn.archive.ubuntu.com files ,
[02:39] <baalkyo> installer package is abcent
[02:40] <baalkyo> so someone can help me ?
[02:41] <krytarik> baalkyo: What do you mean by that?  ubiquity?
[02:42] <baalkyo> I want to install ubuntu 18.04 or 16.04 using my own repo
[02:43] <krytarik> !info ubiquity
[02:43] <baalkyo> the site cn.archive.ubuntu.cn ,sometime wait long time during network installing
[02:43] <baalkyo> not live cd
[02:44] <baalkyo> just mirror the site cn.archive.ubuntu.cn
[02:45] <baalkyo> and let my compute can install package or  ubuntu system locally
[02:46] <baalkyo> chinese network is aweful except 0-8
[02:46] <baalkyo> I can let the server update the files during this time
[02:47] <baalkyo> apt-mirror , can setup  resource, but can not include the installer package
[02:48] <baalkyo> I use network installer
[02:48] <baalkyo> usb
[02:48] <oerheks> oh, you want PXE server, to install the iso from a server locally, plús the whole repository??
[02:51] <baalkyo> pxe is another way
[02:51] <baalkyo> I have using apt-mirror get 400GB 18.04 and 16.04 files
[02:52] <baalkyo> just have no installer package
[02:53] <baalkyo> ############# config ##################
[02:53] <baalkyo> #
[02:53] <baalkyo> set base_path    /var/sda/ftp/ftp/apt-mirror
[02:53] <baalkyo> #
[02:53] <baalkyo> set mirror_path  $base_path/mirror
[02:53] <oerheks> !paste
[02:53] <baalkyo> above is my apt-mirror config file
[02:54] <oerheks> and what installer package exactly? the installer is on the iso that the client loads..
[02:54] <baalkyo> just for 16.04 and 18.04
[02:54] <oerheks> yeah, you got kicked out before you could flood the servers
[02:55] <oerheks> so we don't know yet
[02:55] <baalkyo>  [PARENTDIR]	Parent Directory	 	-
[02:55] <baalkyo> [DIR]	dists/	2018-05-01 18:56 	-
[02:55] <baalkyo> [DIR]	indices/	2018-06-07 02:07 	-
[02:55] <baalkyo> [ ]	ls-lR.gz	2018-06-07 02:38 	15M
[02:55] <baalkyo> [DIR]	pool/	2010-02-27 06:30 	-
[02:55] <baalkyo> [DIR]	project/	2013-06-28 11:52 	-
[02:55] <baalkyo> [DIR]	ubuntu/
[02:56] <oerheks> read obuttu: paste
[02:58] <weilancys> hi, I've just installed ubuntu 18.04 LTS and compared with previous versions that I used, the desktop doesn't seem to be as smooth, is 18.04 using a new desktop component that requires more resource or it's just that my computer is old? I'm using 18.04 alongside windows 10 which runs perfectly fast.
[03:01] <baalkyo> weilancys: how old your compute ?
[03:11] <aurelie> cc
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:53] <ffejj> weilancys: i had that experience too so i use the new ubuntu-mate instead
[03:53] <granttrec> is there any way to resize gnome boxes so that it fits the screen
[04:49] <Toxmi> There is a feature in zsh which you type a command (first world) and then space and then when you press Up key you cycle back through history of all commands with the same beginning.
[04:49] <Toxmi> I don't know the exact term for this feature
[04:49] <Toxmi> Does anyone know relevent info on zsh?
[04:49] <Toxmi> up-line-or-beginning-search didn't work
[04:57] <guiverc> Toxmi, this may help http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/  (zsh doco)
[05:10] <happygilmoregent> I need some help installing nvidia-304
[05:11] <happygilmoregent> it keeps telling me gvfs depends on libgtk-3-0 and xorg-video-abi-*
[05:12] <Toxmi> guiverc: Thanks
[05:12] <happygilmoregent> can I find source for dkms?
[05:13] <pavlos> Toxmi: something like Reverse Search ?
[05:15] <Toxmi> pavlos: for example I type `apt-get` and when press Up it don't simply go back in historgy, it go back on the same cammands just those which have begin with 'apt-get'
[05:15] <happygilmoregent> gah nvidia-304
[05:15] <Toxmi> I've found it. https://ptpb.pw/LBoQ, this should work. But the problem is the keymap.
[05:16] <pavlos> Toxmi: in bash I hit ctrl R type apt-get and keep hitting ctrl R and keeps going back to all my apt-get commands
[05:16] <Toxmi> I can also figure '%[[A' for up key in urxvt but if set this in zsh then, this wont work in gnome-terminal. I don't know how to get consistent i.e. make one configuration in zsh and every terminal emulator knows accordingly
[05:17] <Toxmi> pavlos: I have fzf for my zsh as wel, when I press C-R a fzf command comes and I search through whole history. It's cool. But I want to set this up as another mechanism
[05:18] <pavlos> Toxmi: see this https://coderwall.com/p/-jvcag/zsh-reverse-history-search-with-regex
[05:20] <Toxmi> pavlos: thanks
[05:32] <ZaZaQR> hello nurse
[05:40] <funky> anyone happen to have problems tethering an android phone to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[05:40] <ZaZaQR> i use 18.04 LTS
[05:40] <ZaZaQR> why not upgrade?
[05:41] <funky> I tried 17 and had a lot of problems so I went back to 16.04
[05:42] <funky> Still having problems with my printer on both systems.
[05:43] <funky> do you think 18 is a lot better than 17 ZaZaOR
[05:43] <funky> oops ZaZaQR
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> ZaZaQR: please dont suggest another ubuntu version, on issues that could be solved on their current version
[06:34] <digi_quake> Hi!! I'm trying to connect to my lubuntu(guest machine) from my host machine through putty using ssh and I have the root account. But I'm unable to login as root. It says "Permission Denied". What could be the cause?
[06:35] <digi_quake> Sorry, its actually "Access Denied"
[06:37] <zetheroo> 2 systems in the local network - sshing into an offsite-hosted server - local system 1 can ssh into said offsite server instantly, while local system 2 timesout - suggestions? (All systems are Ubuntu Linux)
[06:38] <SwedeMike> zetheroo: run ssh -v and see where the problem occurs, if it's at TCP connect stage, or something else.
[06:39] <SwedeMike> zetheroo: if it's tcp related, run "tcptraceroute <server> 22" and see where the problem occurs.
[06:39] <zetheroo> SwedeMike: Ok, trying that
[06:41] <zetheroo> it seems stuck at debug1: Connecting to server.domain.com [xxx.xxx.xx.xxx] port 22.
[06:41] <zetheroo> cursor just blinking
[06:41] <SwedeMike> zetheroo: then it's TCP/22 not working, probably.
[06:41] <zetheroo> just now ended with ssh: connect to host server.domain.com port 22: Connection timed out
[06:41] <zetheroo> ok
[06:42] <zetheroo> trying the traceroute
[06:45] <zetheroo> 27th line of ***
[06:45] <zetheroo> still going
[06:46] <zetheroo> Destination not reached
[06:46] <zetheroo> SwedeMike: anything else I could try?
[06:47] <zetheroo> the last line that wasn't *** was:  6  ex9k2.dc8.fsn1.hetzner.com (213.239.229.22)  14.260 ms  15.118 ms  13.294 ms
[06:49] <zetheroo> am back
[07:06] <U69553> haha
[07:06] <U69553> 😀
[07:06] <U69553> hello?
[07:19] <BlueShark> Hi, whenever I run apt-get install something, I get the following:
[07:19] <BlueShark> cajarename 17.3.28 requires caja, which is not installed.
[07:19] <BlueShark> cajarename 17.3.28 requires gir1.2-gtk-3.0, which is not installed.
[07:19] <BlueShark> cajarename 17.3.28 requires python-caja, which is not installed.
[07:19] <BlueShark> cajarename 17.3.28 requires python-gi, which is not installed.
[07:19] <BlueShark> (sorry about the paste)
[07:20] <microwaved_> morning
[07:22] <BlueShark> So how to fix this issue?
[07:24] <microwaved_> what issue?
[07:25] <jink> microwaved_: Every time BlueShark does an apt-get install, it complains about: cajarename 17.3.28 requires ..., which is not installed (repeated x times, for all missing packages).
[07:26] <microwaved_> is that the exact response, could you pastebin the systems response fully please?
[07:27] <microwaved_> above all, which version of ubuntu is it
[07:27] <microwaved_> and which kernel are you running BlueShark
[07:28] <microwaved_> uname -a
[07:28] <BlueShark> microwaved_, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, MATE edition.
[07:28] <microwaved_> ok thnx
[07:28] <BlueShark> Linux mystic 4.15.0-22-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 16 12:15:17 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:28] <microwaved_> ok can you paste the exact error from the system if you would be so kind sir
[07:30] <BlueShark> microwaved_, yes, sure - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DZVQGKzDrv/
[07:31] <ai_> hello
[07:31] <BlueShark> ai_, hello.
[07:33] <microwaved_> BlueShark: first of all there are also other problems you need to fix what i can see in the message ( permissions etc. )
[07:33] <BlueShark> microwaved_, okay, how to fix those?
[07:34] <BlueShark> `sudo -H` would not show that message, though.
[07:34] <microwaved_> BlueShark: set the file permissions right with chown and chmod
[07:34] <microwaved_> it also looks like something wants to use that package called caja-rename
[07:35] <ai_> Artificial intelligents started
[07:35] <ai_> connecting...
[07:35] <microwaved_> An extension for the Caja file browser allowing users to rename multiple
[07:35] <microwaved_>  files/folders in a single pass.
[07:35] <BlueShark> microwaved_, permissions of what folder / file?
[07:35] <ai_> finding target machine...
[07:35] <ai_> 8%
[07:35] <microwaved_> The directory '/home/user/.cache/pip/http' or its parent directory is not owned by the current user and the cache has been disabled. Please check the permissions and owner of that directory. If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag.
[07:35] <microwaved_> The directory '/home/user/.cache/pip' or its parent directory is not owned by the current user and caching wheels has been disabled. check the permissions and owner of that directory. If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag.
[07:35] <ai_> 10%
[07:36] <ai_> 24%
[07:36] <ai_> 56%
[07:36] <ai_> 72%
[07:36] <ai_> 89%
[07:36] <microwaved_> what is this ai_ doing?
[07:36] <ai_> 100%
[07:36] <ai_> dine_
[07:36] <ai_> scanning finished
[07:37] <ai_> ...
[07:37] <oerheks> sudo pip install ipython .. really? pip en sudo .. besides, try ipython3 as ubuntu dropped python2 in 18.04
[07:37] <microwaved_> morning oerheks
[07:37] <ai_> clear...
[07:37] <microwaved_> you might want to try a query on google you'll find loads
[07:38] <BlueShark> oerheks, I'm still stuck with Python 2.
[07:38] <BlueShark> What's the best way to install ipython globally?
[07:38] <oerheks> oh,  mate is still on 2.7
[07:39] <BlueShark> Python 2.7.15rc1
[07:40] <oerheks> bionic has the latest 5.5 ... https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/ipython
[07:40] <BlueShark> well, I can' really reinstall because of this one issue :/
[07:42] <microwaved_> depends if you're running production or not
[07:43] <microwaved_> if not then you can try if so then you'll have to find out what effect it has when you do
[07:47] <oerheks> well,i think you can, apt install ipython
[07:50] <jink> That always confuses me: do you want to use apt, or the "native" package manager, like pip / cpan / npm / ... ?
[07:51] <oerheks> pip is not native, as in standard installed
[07:51] <jink> pip is the native package manager for python, I mean.
[07:53] <microwaved_> pip is optional
[07:58] <oerheks> so back to my 1st frown, drop sudo pip, try pip etc instead
[07:58] <oerheks> or read some basics about python and environment
[07:59] <jink> oerheks: What's wrong about my first sentence to microwaved_ 34 minutes ago?  It somehow tripped Sigyn?
[07:59] <jink> oerheks: 24 minutes, but you get the idea.
[08:01] <oerheks> eh, you said " apt-get install " but he is using pip
[08:01] <jink> Like Sigyn would care.
[08:01] <oerheks> and pip with sudo does things that makes the home folder unaccessable,..
[08:01] <jink> oerheks: Also, that wasn't known at the time.
[08:01] <oerheks> so that error is normal, i would say
[08:01] <jink> Sure.
[08:02] <jink> But I'm wondering why Sigyn reacted to that sentence.
[08:02] <oerheks> indeed, he misguided you, jink
[08:02] <U69553> 嗨
[08:03] <baalkyo> about openvpn client config
[08:03] <oerheks> and i wonder what ppa is added, ipython 5.7.0 as in that pastebin is not from our repos i guess
[08:03] <jink> !cn | U69553
[08:03] <baalkyo> I make a client.conf in /etc/openvpn/ dirs
[08:04] <baalkyo> why the service can not load it?
[08:04] <baalkyo> service openvpn restart
[08:04] <U69553> ok
[08:04] <baalkyo> it's done nothing
[08:07] <TonyWonder> Did somebody say 'Wonder?'
[08:25] <pocketmon>  while ((optc = getopt(argc, argv, "f:s:STA")) > 0)   <— what it means?
[08:27] <EriC^^> pocketmon: what programming language is that? c?
[08:27] <pocketmon> c++ or c
[08:28] <EriC^^> ask in ##c or ##c++
[08:28] <pocketmon> getopt(argc, argv, "f:s:STA")  <—— this is linux command?
[08:29] <EriC^^> no it would be a c function
[08:29] <pocketmon> ?
[08:29] <pocketmon> it is linux builtin something
[08:30] <EriC^^> this would be better suited for ##c
[08:30] <pocketmon> better suited for #ubuntu
[08:30] <pocketmon> i belive it
[08:31] <Allie`> pocketmon: that's not how that works :P this is a programming question, not a linux-specific question
[08:31] <EriC^^> hey man i get it, ##c sucks
[08:31] <Allie`> EriC^^: so does C, so it's understandable ;)
[08:32] <EriC^^> nah C is the language of the gods :P
[08:32] <Allie`> C is the language of the memory-related security issues, but now *I'm* getting offtopic. :P
[08:34] <pocketmon> getopt(argc, argv, "f:s:STA")  <— ok then what it means?
[08:35] <ducasse> pocketmon: it's not a question for this channel, as several others have told you
[08:35] <pocketmon> :(
[08:35] <pocketmon> ok
[08:42] <EriC^^> pocketmon: type in a terminal "man 3 getopt"
[08:43] <pocketmon> thanks but why i add 3?
[08:43] <EriC^^> it's the man section
[08:43] <pocketmon> man section?
[08:43] <pocketmon> what you mean?
[08:44] <EriC^^> section 1 is user commands, section 3 linux programming stuff
[08:44] <EriC^^> if you do man getopt, it'll open the command getopt, not the function for c
[08:45] <pocketmon> man getopt <— section 1?
[08:46] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:46] <pocketmon> ah thanks :)
[08:46] <pocketmon> bye
[08:46] <pocketmon> i will go to #c
[08:46] <EriC^^> no problem, see ya
[08:46] <pocketmon> or #c++
[08:49] <twocarlo_> what motherboard (brand) do you guys use?
[08:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[08:50] <twocarlo_> i bought gigabyte and msi and it wont run ubuntu
[08:53] <Allie`> twocarlo_: I'm running ubuntu bionic on a gigabyte board fine, so it's probably something else in your setup. what's the problem you're running into?
[08:57] <twocarlo_> i created an ubuntu usb stick on a 4gb kingston flash drive but the installer wont continue booting i have GIGABYTE H110M-DS2
[08:57] <zotya> hello yall ... newbie ubuntu user here with a minor issue ... when i try to print a .pdf file, i cant find the option for black and white printing, it automatically prints in colors ... any suggestion how to fix it ?
[08:57] <EriC^^> twocarlo_: what happens when you try booting it?
[08:57] <Allie`> twocarlo_: Have you configured the motherboard to boot off USB in the BIOS? additionally, is it a USB-2 or USB-3 stick
[08:57] <EriC^^> zotya: what program are you using?
[08:58] <zotya> the basic .pdf viewer
[08:58] <cloudbud_> how to run supercisor for a app with a different user
[08:58] <cloudbud_> https://pastebin.com/qBTgvpZA
[08:58] <cloudbud_> my app.ini
[08:58] <twocarlo_> and the other MOBO is MSI A68HME33
[08:59]  * Allie` has found the Kingston SE9 is the most reliable USB drive to boot off
[08:59] <zipper> hello, is pyenv not in the official?
[08:59] <Allie`> (original, not USB-3)
[08:59] <zipper> for ubuntu 16:04
[08:59] <zipper> What's the recommended way to get it?
[09:01] <twocarlo_> Allie: i use 4gb kingston data traveller 101
[09:01] <Allie`> haven't tried one of those
[09:01] <Allie`> but it should work - is the motherboard set to boot off USB?
[09:01] <ppf> info
[09:02] <twocarlo_> and the ubuntu iso i use is 16.04 mate
[09:04] <twocarlo_> on the bios i have no option to disable the secureboot
[09:21] <oerheks> !uefi
[09:35] <twocarlo_> thanks guys for the help , ill be back once im done creating my ubuntu stick
[09:49] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me when i start krita at the start instance it opens twice?
[09:55] <oerheks> krita .. wasn; tthat a mint-mate-desktop issue ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1675816
[09:56] <oerheks> jups https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/issues/697
[09:56] <gt8ost4l> oerheks:is there a solution?
[09:56] <oerheks> yeah, tell the mint guys to package properly, we don't support mint you know
[09:57] <gt8ost4l> oerheks:im not in mint!
[09:57] <gt8ost4l> i just upgraded to ubuntu 18.04 and still the same issue with it!
[09:58] <rud0lf> i need to launch "service bluetooth restart" as regular user without sudo privileges
[09:58] <rud0lf> is there a way to set it up?
[09:58] <rud0lf> maybe something with sudoers file?
[09:58] <rud0lf> to be precise, make it an executable bound to keyboard shortcut
[10:00] <gt8ost4l> oerheks:i went to the krita channel and they said the issue was with the desktop!
[10:00] <gt8ost4l> are they wrong?
[10:00] <arefbodhi> hi
[10:01] <arefbodhi> bodi linux is the best light weight disto
[10:01] <oerheks> arefbodhi, this is ubuntu support.
[10:02] <arefbodhi> runing on pantium 4 with 768 mb of ram ASUS DESKTOP
[10:02] <gabboman> Hi everyone, I need a hand. I can't configure php xdebug with visual studio. I have no idea on how to start this
[10:02] <gabboman> how could I do it?
[10:02] <arefbodhi> I AM A PRSON WHO LOVE TRY LINUX ON OLD PC
[10:03] <oerheks> gt8ost4l, tht weird bug comes from mint/mate-desktop, so they are not wrong
[10:03] <oerheks> arefbodhi, nice, but totally offtopic here, join #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux for bodhi talk
[10:04] <arefbodhi> I AM LOOKING FOR MAC PWOER PC G4 RIGHT NOW I HOPE I WILL FIND ONE
[10:04] <oerheks> !caps > arefbodhi
[10:04] <manos> Hi, i have been working with linux ubuntu for almost a decade but never tried programming in c language. I was wondering what to look for if i wish to run graphics outside x-server. Is that possible?
[10:05] <arefbodhi> NOW I am runing bodi linux 4.5 legacy
[10:05] <arefbodhi> on ASUS PANTUM 4
[10:06] <oerheks> ignore arefbodhi please.
[10:07] <gt8ost4l> oerheks: can you link me to the bug?
[10:08] <oerheks> already gave 2 urls ..
[10:09] <arefbodhi> IGNORE OK BYBE
[10:10] <grr12314> hey all. why is the default editor on ubuntu something so obscure and unusable? why are tehre both update-alternatives and select-editor commands and the second doesnt actually work?
[10:11] <grr12314> and why update-alternatives needs sudo?
[10:12] <grr12314> why is this mess of a distro so popular ?
[10:12] <Allie`> grr12314: alright, if you're here to just complain you can take that elsewhere
[10:13] <Allie`> i'll humour you, though. the default editor is `nano`, which is neither obscure nor unusable - if you're used to vi/vim-like editors, it's a bit of a learning curve, but for most people coming from more visual editors it's a good middle-ground
[10:14] <grr12314> nothing will get improved if noone ever complains. but yea i guess this isnt the right place... is there a more official place where i should complain?
[10:14] <grr12314> no the default is not nano unfortunately.
[10:14] <grr12314> its some "joe" thing
[10:15] <oerheks> ... some "joe" thing
[10:15] <oerheks> LoLz
[10:15] <Tin_man> ???
[10:15] <Tin_man> sudo joe
[10:15] <Allie`> oerheks: `joe` wasn't the default editor last time i checked, is this a fresh install?
[10:16] <oerheks> i have no clue what 'joe' should look like
[10:16] <grr12314> yes, fresh ubuntu 16
[10:16] <Allie`> grr12314*, sorrry
[10:16] <Tin_man> maybe gedit??
[10:17] <grr12314> to be clearer. the default is "auto" and "auto" seems to pick "joe's own editor"
[10:17] <mgedmin> the default default editor might be nano, but if peope sudo apt install other command-line editors, those often assume they were installed for a reason and change the default to themselves
[10:17] <grr12314> idk why that was even pre-installed
[10:17] <Allie`> ... hang on i'm second-guessing myself, i'm gonna install a fresh 16.04 because it's definitely been nano as long as i can remember... are you sure this is a completely fresh install?
[10:17] <Allie`> it shouldn't be preinstalled
[10:17] <mgedmin> ("default default" -- what you get in a fresh install with no extra packages)
[10:18] <ducasse> grr12314: what kind of install is this? 'joe' is not even installed on any of the three systems i just tested
[10:18] <hadifarnoud> I live in Iran. access to many sites are blocked by govnt. I found out port 53 is mostly open and having shadowsocks on that port probably going to work for long time without detection. this port is in use by Ubuntu DNS service. how can I change that?
[10:18] <Tin_man> are you talking of the command line editor, or the gui editor?
[10:18] <sa_> Hi All, we are using the ubuntu platform for our hardware\drivers project. Currently we started using 16.04 LTS v4.4 kernel. But we are not decided whether to use HWE or GA kernels, which one should be the best choice?
[10:18] <grr12314> commandline
[10:18] <oerheks> joe's own editor is not standard..
[10:18] <oerheks> !info joe
[10:18] <Allie`> (it's actually a pretty alright editor :P)
[10:18] <oerheks> so, be more accurate, Joe is not default
[10:19] <Tin_man> learn something new everyday, never heard of joe, and I've been using ubuntu for several years.
[10:20] <grr12314> ok. it *should* be a fresh install, but wasn't done by me but by the IT dept. i'll take my complaints with them then.
[10:22] <guiverc> sa_, GA (or general avail..) kernels are the most stable, most well tested so are the safest choice. use HWE kernels if you have very modern hardware (that needs needs a later kernel) & need to.
[10:23] <tomreyn> sa_: it's not clear what your requirements are, so answering this will be difficult. If you'll develop against GA kernels you'll have long term ABI stability. If you want to make users happy (accepting possibly increased support overhead), support both GA *and* the HWE stack whenever it gets updates.
[10:23] <Tin_man> well if you wouldn't of complained I've wouldn't of heard of Joe today. or may several months.
[10:24] <guiverc> sa_, bug fixes are made to both GA & HWE kernels, however because GA kernels are older, have been used by loads more people - obviously they've had better & more testing (in prod'n even if dev testing was ~similar)
[10:24] <grr12314> what about the "select-editor" vs "update-alternatives" mess?
[10:26] <ducasse> grr12314: select-editor is part of sensible-utils, update-alternatives is part of the debian alternatives system
[10:27] <sa_> Guiverc: tomreyn: Actually we need to write device drivers and tools for testing Bluetooth , Wifi , NFC etc.. Right now we started using v4.4. kernel, if in feature customer request for a new kernel support we need to port all our drivers to new kernel.
[10:29] <guiverc> sa_, HWE kernels are obviously the future; but the 16.04 GA kernel has a life of 5 years, HWE kernel lives are much shorter (though the 18.04 kernel which would be current on 16.04 now will be supported for 5 years on 18.04, even if not that long under 16.04).  You'll have to decide what's best for you.
[10:31] <U48121> haha
[10:34] <sa_> Guiverc: Ok, what is the HWE kernel span? What kind of support the users will get?
[10:34] <tomreyn> sa_: take a look at the graphs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack (these are actually frames, you can open them seperately to get a larger display size) to get a better idea.
[10:40] <tomreyn> i would think that while a HWE kernel is supported, users receive the same level of support for it as they will receive for a GA kernel during the entire support period of the LTS release.
[10:40] <sa_> Guiverc: Suppose if we choose now to use 16.04 LTS with v4.4 kernel, after one year if we need to port our stack for latest kernel version can we still use 16.04 LTS by just upgrading the linux kernel version to latest?
[10:41] <guiverc> sa_, the only way I'd see your last question (Tom answered the one before that) is by switching from GA to HWE. I don't see switching to any 'later' (non-Ubuntu) kernel as a good idea.
[10:43] <guiverc> sa_, even if you switched from 16.04's 4.4 kernel to say 17.10's [ubuntu] kernel, the 17.10 kernel will soon be EOL...
[10:43] <tomreyn> if you're going to support new products on ubuntu, i guess you should consider introducing support for 18.04, though, not focus on 16.04 primarily. ideally you'd do both (and then thiunk about whether or not to also support HWE in addition to GA)
[10:44] <guiverc> (i didn't pick 17.10 for any reason - it could have been 16.10, 17.04 or any non-LTS)
[10:46] <tomreyn> if you're wondering which release are currently supported (and their lifespans), take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[10:48] <tomreyn> so i'd first decide which releases to support (i guess i'd go for the latest two or three LTS release and the latest non LTS release), then decide whether, for LTS releases, you want to only support GA or also HWE kernels.
[10:51] <sa_> Guiverc: tomreyn: Thank you so much for your inputs.
[10:51] <guiverc> sa_, you're most welcome :)
[10:52] <tomreyn> sa_: welcome. i bet you could get even better input via official business channels if you have the time to establish them.
[10:53] <guiverc> (& latest two LTS only - 14.04LTS is too near EOL unless you're thinking ESM [& servers maybe]...)
[10:53] <sa_> tomreyn: okay, what is contact point for official business channels?
[10:54] <tomreyn> sa_: the html form on canonical website, i guess ;)
[10:56] <tomreyn> sa_: fwiw, you usually have a good chance of raising the attention of ubuntu developers in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu-devel on business days as well.
[10:56] <tomreyn> i, for one, am just a lousy user
[10:57] <guiverc> me too  (just a user)
[11:06] <apw> sa_, the default kernel for desktop users is the HWE kernel from the second point release in an LTS series; server i believe gives you the option of either at install
[11:26] <grr12314> does anyone know why "vim.tiny" if invoked as just "vi" (it links to the same executable) turns off some "improvements" like multiple undo steps etc? is there a way to configure that, other than aliasing vi to vim.tiny (which feels weird to me given that its already symlinked)
[11:27] <Allie`> grr12314: when vim.tiny is called as `vi`, it drops back to be perfectly `vi`-compatible
[11:27] <Allie`> try calling straight vim
[11:29] <leftyfb> grr12314: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[11:29] <leftyfb> grr12314: pick vim basic
[11:29] <grr12314> yes calling it as "vim.tiny" (it didnt install "vim" symlink) works fine. just wondering if i can keep it from "dropping back" with a config of sorts instead of having to make bash alias
[11:30] <mgedmin> does putting 'set nocompatible' in your .vimrc help?
[11:31] <leftyfb> setting vim.basic as default will help
[11:31] <grr12314> leftyfb: i guess you meant `sudo update-alternatives --config vi` and that only seems to apply if i install multiple "vi" packages. i'd prefer to stick to just one installed. the vim.tiny was pre-installed (or was this my IT guys' doing again?)
[11:32] <grr12314> i'll try the vimrc thanks
[11:32] <leftyfb> grr12314: no, I meant editor
[11:32] <leftyfb> grr12314: install vim if it isn't already and then configure the editor like I posted above
[11:32] <grr12314> editor config will have no effect on what happens when i invoke "vi"...
[11:32] <leftyfb> grr12314: it most certainly will
[11:33] <grr12314> anyway, i'm off to test
[11:36] <leftyfb> grr12314: you want vim installed. Not just vim-tiny
[11:37] <leftyfb> grr12314: https://askubuntu.com/questions/104138/what-features-does-vim-tiny-have
[11:37] <leftyfb> grr12314: vim-tiny = vim-basic - features
[11:38] <leftyfb> grr12314: and yeah, you're right. It was --config vi, not editor. Sorry
[11:38] <leftyfb> grr12314: if you want vim features missing in vim-tiny, you need to install vim which includes vim-basic.
[11:38] <grr12314> ok thanks. not for this particular thing, but i guess sooner or later i'll bump into some feature that's missing in vim.tiny so you're probably right
[11:39] <plasmoduck> how do I fix this?
[11:39] <plasmoduck> Preparing to unpack .../la-capitaine-icon-theme_20180606-8-0ubuntu1~xenial1_all.deb ...
[11:39] <plasmoduck> prerm called with unknown argument $1'
[11:39] <plasmoduck> dpkg: warning: subprocess old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[11:39] <plasmoduck> dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ...
[11:39] <plasmoduck> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/la-capitaine-icon-theme_20180606-8-0ubuntu1~xenial1_all.deb (--unpack):
[11:39] <leftyfb> !paste | plasmoduck
[11:41] <plasmoduck> oops sorry I didn't mean to paste to many lines
[11:41] <plasmoduck> How can I fix that so I can update?
[11:41] <plasmoduck> it happens during apt upgrade
[11:41] <compdoc> use pastebin.com
[11:41] <plasmoduck> Ok
[11:42] <p21k> apt --fix-broken-install
[11:42] <plasmoduck> Next time I will
[11:43] <plasmoduck> p21k, E: Command line option --fix-broken-install is not understood in combination with the other options
[11:44] <p21k> plasmoduck, apt --fix-broken install
[11:44] <p21k> plasmoduck, my bad
[11:45] <grr12314> if i messed up a package's config in /etc, can i get it back to default? seems even uninstall/reinstall didnt restore those files for some reason
[11:46] <p21k> grr12314, try apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove
[11:47] <p21k> grr12314, and run apt-get autoclean after that
[11:48] <grr12314> yes, purge was it. thanks
[12:09] <MicroWaving> !pastebinit test
[12:09] <MicroWaving> hmm
[12:35] <pzn> my computer "crashed" today because of disk full. already cleaned some big files and rebooted. now when I ssh to somewhere, the password to unlock the key ~/.ssh/id-rsa does not match. I'm sure that I know the password. what should I recover from backups?
[12:37] <hdddas> You should recover from backups everything you need I guess.
[12:39] <mgedmin> is it asking for the ssh key passphrase, or your gnome-keyring password?
[12:42] <pzn> mgedmin, it is the "agent" popup asking for the passphrase of key "pzn@mycomputer"
[12:42] <pzn> mgedmin, but since there were lots of passphrase windows tries, I don't remember if the first ones were about gnome-keyring
[12:49] <gartral> has anyone ever lost a folder? or rather, the *contents* of a folder? I'm mussing about 80gb of music from a vm on my server
[12:49] <gartral> missing*
[12:50] <gartral> it's an ubuntu 18.04 server vm btw
[12:50] <tomreyn> gartral: unomunt the file system,. run a file system check.
[12:50] <blackflow> gartral: which filesystem?
[12:50] <gartral> tomreyn: did
[12:51] <gartral> blackflow: etx4
[12:51] <gartral> ext4* I can't keyboard today XD
[12:52] <blackflow> gartral: then chances are the problems are on the host side.
[12:52] <gartral> tomreyn blackflow the weird part is the music's still there, I can access it from the NFS i set up for it
[12:52] <tomreyn> gartral: what did the fsck say? check syslog about file system and (s)ata / storage related issues. think about who has access to this system.
[12:53] <tomreyn> gartral: maybe you're just looking in the wrong place then? or you mounted some other file system on top of it
[12:53] <gartral> tomreyn: it's a vm and the storage is on a raid array, I checked the hypervisor host and no errors were reported there
[12:53] <gartral> tomreyn: kinda hard to accidentally /home/music me thinks.. lol
[12:53] <tomreyn> gartral: none of what i said befre is relevant now you say that you can still access the data via NFS from this same system.
[12:55] <tomreyn> if the nfs server can still make it available (not just list it, but actually deliver the data), then it's still there and you're just not able to access it for some reason you will have caused yourself. ;)
[12:55] <tomreyn> you or someoene else managing this system, that is
[12:56] <gartral> tomreyn: the ONLY thing I can think of was that I suffered a power failure.. this is my homelab server so the only one with the keys and passwords is me.
[12:56] <tomreyn> gartral: so can you still download a file via NFS?
[12:56] <gartral> it's also not that huge of a deal if the data's gone, I have it all on a local disk and on my phone, this was just for MPDing the music around the house
[12:57] <tomreyn> and does this file contains the correct data, too?
[12:57] <gartral> tomreyn: checking now
[12:57] <gartral> tomreyn: yes
[12:57] <gartral> data's good
[12:58] <tomreyn> then find out where your nfs server serves it from, and then become root and run ls on that location
[12:59] <tomreyn> also check the output of the "mount" command and make sure nothing is mounted on top
[13:00] <tomreyn> "ls -al" actually
[13:01] <gartral> tomreyn: I... found it... I musta been REALLY f-ed up when I set it up, there's a broken symlink /export/music -> /home/music in red.. ok mystery solved
[13:02] <plasmoduck> How do I format a drive to ext4 and allow read/write to user level?
[13:02] <gartral> plasmoduck: just... allow anyone to read/write?
[13:03] <tomreyn> plasmoduck: mkfs.ext4 DEVICEPATH
[13:03] <plasmoduck> yes I tried that, but I can't write to it as my user
[13:03] <tomreyn> plasmoduck: then mount it with the 'user' option
[13:03] <plasmoduck> Like, I tried to copy+paste something and paste is greyed out
[13:04] <plasmoduck> I want this all automatic
[13:04] <tomreyn> actually "users"
[13:04] <plasmoduck> so it's automatically handed at boot
[13:04] <tomreyn> add it to fstab
[13:05] <plasmoduck> It's /dev/sdb so what line should I put in fstab?
[13:07] <tomreyn> get the UUID from "blkid /dev/sdb"
[13:07] <plasmoduck> will this work? /dev/sdb /media/l   ext4  defaults       0  0
[13:07] <tomreyn> then create a directory where you want to mount it
[13:07] <plasmoduck> UID="a0cda0c9-8a16-4ca6-8042-a42cba9f4ba9" TYPE="ext4"
[13:08] <tomreyn> then add this to fstab: UUID=a0cda0c9-8a16-4ca6-8042-a42cba9f4ba9 /media/l ext4  defaults       0  0
[13:08] <tomreyn> optionally add user(s) to 'defaults, seperated by comma, not space, if you want to allow the user to mount it
[13:09] <tomreyn> all of this has no impact on whether you user will be able to access or modify the data on the file system
[13:09] <mgedmin> you'll also need to chown/chmod the directory after mounting so people who are not root can write in it
[13:09] <plasmoduck> so what? defaults,user ?
[13:10] <tomreyn> plasmoduck: do you need the ordinary user to be able to mount and unmount it, or is it sufficient for this file system to be automatically mounted on boot?
[13:11] <plasmoduck> automatically mounted on boot
[13:11] <plasmoduck> im just using it for extra storage
[13:11] <tomreyn> then just "defaults" is fine
[13:11] <plasmoduck> thanks, brb
[13:12] <tomreyn> + what mgedm1n said, to ensure the ordinary user can access it.
[13:26] <plasmoduck> how do I make my mounted drive show up in "Devices"? It's only showing the root drive there, I have to cd to /storage thn bookmark it
[13:26] <plasmoduck> But I'd prefer it to show as an actual device in "Devices".
[13:33] <carlos____> wsup yall time appropriate greetings-can anyone tell me if bionic beaver 18.04 Mate has ffmpeg and  ffsplit installed (i have vlc installed so assumed yes)
[13:33] <carlos____> or how i can check if they are
[13:33] <cfhowlett> !info ffmpeg
[13:34] <carlos____> how to  install from terminal please bot or anyone reading
[13:34] <cfhowlett> carlos____, sudo apt install ffmpeg
 same again for the ffsplit or is that part of the same package
[13:36] <cfhowlett> !info ffsplit > carlos____
[13:40] <plasmoduck> how do I make my mounted drive show up in "Devices"? It's only showing the root drive there, I have to cd to /storage thn bookmark it. But I'd prefer it to show as an actual device in "Devices".
[13:41] <blackflow> plasmoduck: for starters by not crossposting between #ubuntu and #debian at the same time.
[13:41] <plasmoduck> well no one answered me here, so I might get some help in the other room?
[13:41] <plasmoduck> when in doubt, cross post
[13:42] <cfhowlett> plasmoduck,that is not how it works.  in any case: for debian support, ask the debian channels.  or install ubuntu and ask for ubuntu support here.
[13:42] <carlos____> !info ffsplit > carlos____
[13:43] <plasmoduck> So how do I fix my problem?
[13:43] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: what distribution are you running?
[13:43] <plasmoduck> ubuntu
[13:43] <hggdh> plasmoduck: version?
[13:43] <plasmoduck> It shouldn't matter
[13:44] <hggdh> OK, then
 what did you mean by above (google it not sure what im looking for can you past link of what your alluding to please
[13:44] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: please run this: hostnamectl status|grep Oper
[13:44] <cfhowlett> carlos____, ffsplit is not in bionic
[13:44] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: what's the output of the above command?
[13:44] <plasmoduck> Problem is, my newly mounted drive isnt showing in "Devices" in my file manager
[13:44] <carlos____> can it be put there
[13:44] <cfhowlett> !info ffsplit | carlos____
[13:44] <carlos____> suger
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> plasmoduck: I does matter, as different versions use different tools to manage devices, and how they interact with the GUI. So knowing the version of Ubuntu you are running is important
[13:45] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: please run this: hostnamectl status|grep Oper
[13:45] <carlos____> i need it to make an app image work any idea
[13:45] <carlos____> ideas to solve prob
[13:45] <plasmoduck> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[13:45] <pragmaticenigma> carlos____: ffsplit was discontinued by the ffmpeg project team
 lol
[13:46] <carlos____> gud call
[13:46] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: any idea why you haven't run updates in 3 months?
[13:46] <plasmoduck> I'm happy with my version.
[13:46] <carlos____> thanks <pragmaticenigma> soz if typo(name) far from tv cant see
[13:46] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: as in, regular updates.
[13:47] <plasmoduck> If it ain't broke, I don't fix it.
[13:47] <plasmoduck> I have updates
[13:47] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: if you had all your updates, you wouldn't be running "Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS"
[13:47] <plasmoduck> nevermind, Ill google it
[13:47] <carlos____> feeling that way atm
[13:47] <carlos____> had a couple of hickups
[13:47] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: which kernel are you running? :  uname -a
[13:48] <plasmoduck> Linux ElementaryOS 4.13.0-43-generic #48~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 17 12:56:46 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:48] <blackflow> "if it ain't broke don't fix it" --- lol but existence of updates means it's broken...... wth.
[13:48]  * blackflow facepalms and goes away.
[13:48] <carlos____> i love you all thanks for helping
[13:48] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: next time, don't lie about the distro you are running
[13:48] <cfhowlett> this!! ^^^^^
[13:49] <plasmoduck> ?
[13:49] <plasmoduck> I'm told it is just Ubuntu
[13:49] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: You are running ElementaryOS, not Ubuntu.
[13:49] <plasmoduck> with some different name and GUI
[13:49] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: seek support from ElementaryOS.
[13:49] <Allie`> leftyfb: eOS’ marketing would have you believe it’s vanilla ubuntu ;)
[13:49] <plasmoduck> It says it's built on Ubuntu
[13:49] <cfhowlett> plasmoduck, dude.  it's simple.  it's NOT UBUNTU
[13:49] <plasmoduck> so the main system is Ubuntu problem?
[13:50] <cfhowlett> !flavors | plasmoduck if it's not on this list, we don't support it.
[13:50] <leftyfb> plasmoduck: if it's running a different GUI then Ubuntu, then why would you ask for support from Ubuntu when you're having issues with the GUI?
[13:50] <jmgb4> Has anybody had any luck getting Armitage installed on Ubuntu? Most the guides Ive ran into are old or broken
[13:51] <kavinski> Hi. I followed instructions on ubuntu.com to make a bootable Ubuntu 18.04 USB key from the desktop ISO. Can I somehow make this Live USB a persistent distro that is also encrypted?
[13:51] <cfhowlett> !persistence | kavinski
[13:53] <kavinski> cfhowlett: I don't want to add storage on another drive, I want to run the full Ubuntu off the USB
[13:53] <kavinski> and only that USB
[13:53] <cfhowlett> kavinski, which is what the link explains
[13:53] <hggdh> kavinski: please read that link
[13:53] <kavinski> cfhowlett: sorry, I just read the intro and it said "other drive". I see they tell you how to partition.
[13:55] <kavinski> cfhowlett: what about encryption? The link says it's an "outstanding question"
[13:56] <cfhowlett> kavinski, I suggest you first configure the persistent USB then attempt the post-install encryptoin
[13:56] <kavinski> cfhowlett: OK, thanks
[13:57] <cfhowlett> bestofluck!
[14:02] <newbe> Hello Dear
[14:03] <newbe> I need install ubuntu in my macbook pro 14.1, but suspend & resume not work in it, Are here any body have any idea about how i can fix this problem
[14:04] <cfhowlett> newbe, easy solution; mac OS + virtualbox + ubuntu to a virtualbox
[14:04] <carlos____> I need some help understanding errors in an output can anyone suggest a channel where i can post pertains to understanding error output not ubuntu specifically
[14:05] <carlos____> please
[14:05] <carlos____> https://pastebin.com/n6d98qD2
[14:05] <newbe> cfhowlett: that's very bad idea :-(
[14:05] <cfhowlett> sayz you.  works perfectly for me.  YMMV
[14:06] <carlos____> trying to run an appimage and it jst crashes
[14:07] <tomreyn> carlos____: seek support from whoever is willing to support the software (and version) you use. for software in non !eol ubuntu releases, this channel is an option.
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> jmgb4: You might want to look into the Kali-Linux community for help with those tools.
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[14:14] <carlos____> can anyone help me understand what this paste means please https://pastebin.com/n6d98qD2
[14:15] <_kim_> I have Ubuntu 18 installed on a system with an AMD E350 APU with Radeon 6310 graphics. Booting with "nomodeset" in the grub config will allow it to boot without hardware acceleration, but I get black screen without this option. Worked well on ubuntu14. I expect this is because of an issue with RadeonDriver but this is as far as I have got with it.
[14:16] <zipper> Hey know how I can get openjdk-9-jre-headless on 18.04?
[14:16] <zipper> or what the new name is?
[14:19] <jmgb4> pragmaticenigma, Yeah I was asking in there too, they mainly deal with just kali
[14:19] <puxavida> zipper, apt-cache search openjdk*
[14:19] <tomreyn> zipper: 18.04 only offer openjdk 8 and 11 packages. i think 8 is some sort of long term release upstream, and 11 is the latest.
[14:20] <zipper> tomreyn: thanks
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> jmgb4: Please be mindful of cross posting. This channel isn't really geared for SecOps type applications and the like. Kali is going to be the best resource. given the lack of informmation on the internet, I'm guessing the exploits leveraged by Armitage have been fixed, and therefor development on that project has discontinued or efforts are currently focused elsewhere
[14:22] <adroit_machine> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 16.04.02 LTS KDE, but I'm not getting video thumbnails in dolphin. It used to work fine before in ubuntu 14.04. Need help please
[14:23] <Jerry_> what's up
[14:26] <jmgb4> pragmaticenigma, What are you talking about? I havent seen anything that hints at Armitage being discontinued (Not saying that you are wrong, getting at I may have missed it)
[14:29] <cfhowlett> the last stable release was in 2013.  seems rather moribund
[14:31] <jmgb4> cfhowlett, Ah. I somehow missed that
[14:32] <leftyfb> jmgb4: http://www.fastandeasyhacking.com/changelog
[14:32] <cfhowlett> OW!  I get the google DANGER! ahead warning
[14:32] <jmgb4> Yeah tha tscreen is bright lol
[14:33] <jmgb4> leftyfb, I have -chat question for you. Kind of about our discussion the other day about NAT
[14:33] <leftyfb> jmgb4: ?
[14:34] <jmgb4> leftyfb, Actually nevermind I take that back. Its something I should figure out on my own
[14:34] <tomreyn> leftyfb: https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.fastandeasyhacking.com%2F
[14:34] <nixen> anybody run the latest salt-minion on ubuntu 16.04 LTS (all patched up) ?  i have it working fine on ubuntu 18.04 (and centos 7, and freebsd 10.4/11.1), but on ubuntu 16.04 the salt-minion script dumps on me with "UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xff in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)"
[14:35] <nixen> if i change the encoding with "sys.setdefaultencoding('utf8')" i just get a different error, specifically - "return systemd.daemon.notify('READY=1')\n TypeError: notify() argument 1 must be string without null bytes, not unicode"
[14:35] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I understand the error messages. There's nothing malicious about the site. But the tools the site advertises CAN be used maliciously which is the reason for the alert.
[14:36] <tomreyn> then that's an overly drastic measure they took.
[14:36] <tomreyn> i think they don't usuallly add "PUA" (possibly unwanted applications, i.e. dual use utilities) on that list.
[14:53] <vitm2100> hola
[14:54] <vitm2100> quien tiene el nuevo modelo de vit mini pc
[14:55] <vitm2100> hola
[14:55] <vitm2100> 123456
[14:56] <pavlos> !es | vitm2100
[15:16] <transhuman> anyone know how to assign permssions to kvm to a second hard drive (which is an old hard drive with qcow disks on it?
[15:17] <adroit_machine> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 16.04.02 LTS KDE, but I'm not getting video thumbnails in dolphin. It used to work fine before in ubuntu 14.04. Need help please
[15:17] <compdoc> when you create vm files to store your os, kvm sets the permissions. or at least virt-manager does
[15:17] <transhuman> yes but these are on a second drive and already exist
[15:18] <transhuman> it gives permissions denied trying to add them
[15:20] <blackflow> transhuman: wait, are you talking about files or block devices? If files, iirc you need to make them in kvm group, and also rw to that group.
[15:49] <mattfly> where is the command vino-preferences on ubuntu bionic
[15:49] <mattfly> because vino package doesnt come with it
[15:49] <mattfly> i dont even have a vino command
[15:53] <transhuman> I am sad to know I don't know the answer to this, can linux groups contain other groups or only users?
[15:54] <blackflow> transhuman: only users. for anything more complex permission-wise, there's ACLs and MAC
[15:54] <transhuman> yeah I just found it thanks blackflow ,should have googled first
[15:55] <transhuman> yeah I have never worked with ACLs and MAC I guess maybe I should start
[16:17] <hydrian> What is the best way to installed non-packages perl modules in ubuntu 16.04
[16:22] <Aleksandar86> I have Mikrotik and DHCP 192.168.8.1/21 and DNS on Windows server. I have problem only Ubuntu users cant get IP from DHCP
[16:22] <Aleksandar86> on same port windows works good
[16:22] <Aleksandar86> I try set static ip on Ubuntu but not working
[16:22] <Aleksandar86> I try 3 laptops with ubuntu and same problem
[16:23] <ht_> hi, which time stamp should I use to get indicator of oldest modification or create
[16:23] <ht_> Im using stat on my file, there is birth section, but its void
[16:23] <hydrian> Aleksandar86: Is the DHCP server on the Windows server?
[16:23] <Aleksandar86> no, on mikrotik
[16:23] <Aleksandar86> DNS is Windows
[16:24] <ht_> all the other time stamps read, mod, change seem to be equivalent
[16:24] <ht_> perhaps its file system dependent
[16:24] <hydrian> ht_: ctime will always be the oldest.
[16:25] <hydrian> It can't be modified before it is created.
[16:25] <Aleksandar86> On this mikrotik I have 4 VLANs with diferrent subnet and gateway
[16:25] <Aleksandar86> Mikrotik is connected on smart switch
[16:25] <Aleksandar86> and Ubuntu is connected on Access switch
[16:25] <Aleksandar86> with PVID 10 or VLAN 10
[16:26] <hydrian> Aleksandar86: Typically DHCP only lists on the port's native VLAN to get DHCP.
[16:26] <Aleksandar86> but ACCESS swithc convert tagget to untagged?
[16:27] <Aleksandar86> On mikrotik LAN out i have tagged VLANs
[16:27] <FManTropyx> I can no longer update my Xenial
[16:27] <Aleksandar86> and this port comming in smart switch - TRUNK
[16:27] <Aleksandar86> from smart switch I have Access switches
[16:27] <Aleksandar86> and on Access switch I contol VLAN
[16:28] <Aleksandar86> all windows works good on same port of switch
[16:28] <Aleksandar86> only Ubuntu not working
[16:28] <hydrian> So the ubuntu boxes are need to be on the same VLAN and untagged as the Mikrotik DHCP's VLAN
[16:29] <Aleksandar86> yes, he is on same VLAN
[16:29] <Aleksandar86> I get IP from mikrotik with windows
[16:29] <Aleksandar86> some idea?
[16:30] <hydrian> Is the mikrotik doing 'Secure' DHCP?
[16:30] <Aleksandar86> all by default DHCP
[16:31] <hydrian> This is 'Microsoft' standard of authenticating a server before giving out an IP. Most non-windows devices don't support it.
[16:31] <Aleksandar86> Only DNS is on Microsoft
[16:32] <Aleksandar86> on WIFI everythig works good
[16:32] <Aleksandar86> same DNS, same DHCP, same VLAN
[16:33] <Aleksandar86> WiFi is UNIFI and also have VLANs
[16:36] <Aleksandar86> any idea?
[16:37] <Aleksandar86> How can I track problem on Ubuntu
[16:37] <Aleksandar86> some guy tell me use command DHCPCLEINT -v
[16:39] <hydrian> Aleksandar86: What version of Ubuntu?
[16:40] <Aleksandar86> I try different version
[16:40] <Aleksandar86> latest
[16:43] <yuuki> hello lovely IRC folks
[16:43] <yuuki> how's everyone doing?
[16:44] <RE_DUP_MAX> my ubuntu install was installed on a single partition and now i resized the partition to free up some space to make another partition. when i boot up linux the logo shows and then it stops to show an (initramfs) prompt, im not sure whats going on here.
[16:44] <yuuki> ugh. that's so annoying
[16:44] <yuuki> my Windows gaming partition did the same thing, ish
[16:44] <yuuki> my Windows gaming partition did the same thing, ish
[16:44] <yuuki> (sorry)
[16:45] <qoxncyha> hello
[16:45] <qoxncyha> i have a cron entry that looks like this: `0 */12 * * * root test -x /usr/bin/certbot -a \! -d /run/systemd/system && perl -e 'sleep int(rand(3600))' && certbot -q renew`
[16:45] <qoxncyha> what is the `root` part? where is it documented?
[16:46] <ioria> RE_DUP_MAX, how did you do resize the root partition ?
[16:47] <nacc> qoxncyha: is that /etc/crontab ?
[16:47] <qoxncyha> nacc: it's in /etc/cron.d/certbot
[16:47] <RE_DUP_MAX> i ran gparted in live environment ioria
[16:47] <nacc> qoxncyha: see `man 5 crontab` if so, it's syntax is different than per-user crontab
[16:47] <nacc> qoxncyha: ah those are also the same, as they are system-wide
[16:48] <ioria> RE_DUP_MAX, sounds ok ... maybe you need to fsck it
[16:48] <qoxncyha> thanks!
[16:49] <nacc> RE_DUP_MAX: just to be clear, did you resize the partition without resizing the filesystem?
[16:51] <test_> hi there
[16:51] <bkz81> hello
[16:52] <arooni> for instance it could track a given date with a count that could be incremented by one with a command?   i'm trying to track how many pomodoros i get done in a day
[16:52] <arooni> anything like that
[16:52] <t7> hey, im trying to diagnose random restarts, last reboot shoes still running for more than one entry. whats my next move?
[16:53] <test_> I've got a problem with resolutions on Lubuntu 18.04. When I try to swich users, all the users apart for the first logged in have resolution 640x480. When I log out every session, I can access any account and set the proper resolution using randr.
[16:54] <test_> I tried switching lightdm for other session managers, but the problem is still there. Windows manager changing also doesn't change anything.
[16:55] <test_> I thought about creating a topic on some forum, but I hope it's easy to solve and I'm just being stupid and doing something wrong ;-)
[16:57] <bkz81> I ran apt-get install ubuntu-desktop then apt-get update and rebooted.  However my resolution is at 800x600 not sure what to do next.
[17:00] <RE_DUP_MAX> ioria yeah i ran fsck like you said and that fixed it thanks.
[17:00] <ioria> RE_DUP_MAX, good job
[17:01] <pressure679> Umm, I think a echo -n -e "\x1b[\x32 q" made emacs write qq on cursor movement in the tty.
[17:02] <pressure679> It is weird, quite weird.
[17:02] <pressure679> Is there are way without reinstalling that will make emacs not write qq on cursor movement in the tty?
[17:05] <test_> pressure679: dpkg-reconfigure emacs, or remove its config directory
[17:06] <test_> bkz81: type in terminal: xrandr
[17:07] <YvesLevier> Hi, i need help installing 18.04 with Gnome Desktop.  Is there a room special for 18.04?
[17:08] <test_> YvesLevier: what do you need to know? Have you read the instruction online?
[17:09] <test_> YvesLevier: it's really easy. The biggest problem you can encounter is the lack of appropriate drivers
[17:11] <jmgb4> Great.. I hit super+p and it switched my monitors to mirror, cant get it to go back to extended now
[17:12] <zanycaper> bkz81: if you cant change the resolution using xrandr -s 1368x768, then try installing drivers: ubuntu-drivers devices
[17:13] <zanycaper> jmgb4: extended?
[17:16] <bkz81> using vnc not sure how to get to command line from here now.  It boots up at gui.
[17:16] <zanycaper> bkz81: you see the desktop now?
[17:17] <bkz81> yes but small still  800x600 4:3
[17:17] <bkz81> i haven't tried those commands yet
[17:17] <zanycaper> bkz81: look for the terminal in "menu start"
[17:18] <zanycaper> bkz81: or alt+f2 and try running xterm/gnome-terminal/lxterminal/rxvt
[17:18] <phct> hello
[17:18] <phct> i need to pack / compress / compact all folders that have MB ( megabytes) as size in a given directory, how do i accomplish this?
[17:19] <zanycaper> phct: https://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/question/general/compress-file-unix-linux-cheat-sheet.php
[17:20] <zanycaper> bkz81: are you there, man? ;-D
[17:20] <nacc> phct: is this homework? seems like homework.
[17:20] <phct> hey zanycaper
[17:20] <phct> yea
[17:20] <phct> who r u? :)
[17:20] <nacc> phct: you won't learn anything if you just ask for the answer.
[17:20] <phct> nacc: ye its homewoark
[17:20] <zanycaper> pl :P
[17:20] <phct> im not in a mood to google
[17:20] <phct> zanycaper: poland ?
[17:21] <zanycaper> yup
[17:21] <phct> do u know me? :)
[17:21] <nacc> phct: we are volunteers focusing on ubuntu support, not a proxy for google.
[17:21] <phct> where can i ask nacc  ?
[17:21] <zanycaper> I don't think so. I know just a couple of russians ;-D
[17:21] <cloudbud> I have an app in supervisorctl that is running with root. I want to run it with least prevelige user, My app.ini is https://pastebin.com/GV3ph2kJ
[17:21] <EriC^^_> dobre viecha
[17:21] <nacc> phct: your question has nothing to do with ubuntu support, afaict. You could ask in ##linux, or just do some basic searching.
[17:22] <phct> kak dyela?
[17:22] <phct> yo gabaru horosho
[17:22] <zanycaper> ja nie poniemaju
[17:22] <nacc> sigh, english please, in this channel.
[17:22] <nacc> there are language-specific channels, if you want them
[17:22] <zanycaper> nacc: nacc oh, don't be so stiff. Nobody's writing anyway.
[17:23] <zanycaper> we're just proxing for google here xD
[17:23] <nacc> zanycaper: if you want to chitchat, go to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[17:23] <bkz81> zanycaper:  yeah i am here just trying to figure this out now.  About to try xrandr
[17:23] <bkz81> Thanks
[17:24] <zanycaper> bkz81: you may want to install arandr, if you prefer graphic interface
[17:24] <zanycaper> nacc: I have troubles forcing appropriate resolution on lightdm. Any thoughts?
[17:25] <cloudbud> nacc : have tries lot of options nothing is working
[17:25] <zanycaper> cloudbud: what's your trouble?
[17:26] <cloudbud> zanycaper  I have an app in supervisorctl that is running with root. I want to run it with least prevelige user, My app.ini is https://pastebin.com/GV3ph2kJ
[17:26] <klemax> whats the reason of freezing after logout or suspend? version 18.04 here
[17:26] <nacc> zanycaper: what do you mean? "appropriate"? does X see the resolution you want
[17:26] <cloudbud> The app is again always starting with root
[17:26] <nacc> cloudbud: why are you asking me specifically?
[17:26] <EriC^^_> klemax: take a look at /var/log/kern.log
[17:26] <cloudbud> I want to start it with some specific user
[17:27] <zanycaper> nacc, retext: I've got a problem with resolutions on Lubuntu 18.04. When I try to swich users, all the users apart for the first logged in have resolution 640x480. When I log out every session, I can access any account and set the proper resolution using randr.
[17:27] <zanycaper> nacc: if there alredy is a user logged in, when I log in using another account I'm stuck with 640x480
[17:27] <klemax> EriC^^_: what about if the problem is related to Xorg?
[17:28] <zanycaper> I have no idea what to do with that, I wasted several hors ;/
[17:28] <nacc> zanycaper: no idea, sorry. You could check the lightdm logs i guess
[17:29] <bkz81> zanycaper: no luck so far
[17:29] <arooni> how do i get the checkmark icon inserted to a text editor on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[17:30] <arooni> like when you're making a list and you check off an item ; that kinda thing
[17:30] <zanycaper> bkz81: what do you get when you run xrandr?
[17:30] <EriC^^_> klemax: hmm /var/log/Xorg.0.log might have something or ~/.xsession-errors
[17:30] <klemax> ok
[17:30] <klemax> let me check it
[17:32] <bkz81> zanycaper: Failed to get size of gamma for output default screen 0: minium 800 x 600, current 800 x 600, maxium 800 x 600 default connected primary 800x600+0+0
[17:32] <zanycaper> bkz81: try ubuntu-drivers devices
[17:33] <bkz81> where is that located?
[17:33] <zanycaper> bkz81: type it in terminal
[17:33] <nujrzydvl> does ubuntu current include the 'wl' driver out of the box
[17:33] <nujrzydvl> ?
[17:34] <zanycaper> bkz81: it will show if there are any drivers you should install
[17:34] <nujrzydvl> i want to install linux on a macbook but it's broadcom driver support is screwy
[17:34] <zanycaper> bkz81: or just run ubuntu-drivers autoinstall and hope for the best
[17:34] <nujrzydvl> dont want to plug this into ethernet for install
[17:34] <nacc> nujrzydvl: afaict, no
[17:34] <nujrzydvl> k
[17:34] <hdddas> no
[17:34] <pavlos> arooni: you can open the characters app, in symbols there is grey checkmark, copy/paste to your editor
[17:36] <bkz81> zanycaper: tried both nothing happened.
[17:37] <zanycaper> bkz81: what do you mean by "nothing"?
[17:38] <bkz81> zanycaper: I entered the auto command and got back "No drivers found for automatic installation"   then tried the other command hit enter and nothing.
[17:40] <zanycaper> bkz81: in terminal: lpci | grep -i controller
[17:41] <zanycaper> bkz81: google the for "ubuntu <your-graphic-card-model>". Some devices just have problem with drivers :3
[17:41] <zanycaper> * :S
[17:54] <bkz81> zanycaper: vga compatible controller: Device 1234:1111 (rev 02)
[17:57] <bkz81> zanycaper: does it matter it's on a vps?
[17:57] <zanycaper> bkz81: ?
[17:57] <bkz81> the ubuntu server install
[17:58] <zanycaper> bkz81: I think it does. It may lack some desktop-y stuff.
[18:00] <zanycaper> bkz81: why would you user grahics on the web server anyway? If its your desktop computer then get some desktop stuff using: tasksel install lubuntu-desktop
[18:03] <zanycaper> I'll be back later
[18:07] <bkz81> zanycaper: I just want to adjust the resolution.  It's stuck at 800x600
[18:09] <zanycaper> bkz81: I use the vpn in txt mode, so there's no "resolution" per se.
[18:10] <bkz81> zanycaper: not that confortable using cli at the moment.  I like to have the option of both.
[18:10] <zanycaper> bkz81: how do you connect to the server? Using what, ssh?
[18:10] <bkz81> ssh tunnel via putty then tight vnc
[18:11] <zanycaper> bkz81: I'm afraid I won't be able to help you. I just never used graphics on servers.
[18:12] <bkz81> zanycaper: no problem you have been very helpful.  Thank you for taking the time
[18:12] <SporkWitch> bkz81: if you _must_ have a GUI for a server, look into something like webmin, and know that when you _are_ ready to learn to do things properly you're basically going to be starting from scratch, because those tools absolutely mangle the crap out of config files
[18:12] <zanycaper> bkz81: but if there's no resolution to change to in the output of xrandr I'd say they don't want you to change it.
[18:13] <zanycaper> bkz81: SporkWitch suggest a good thing: webadmin is a good solution, if you're not comfortable in text mode. But better learn it asap.
[18:14] <zanycaper> bkz81: you may want try this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution
[18:15] <zanycaper> but again, I don't think it will do.
[18:47] <caverinha> o por
[18:47] <xyz_> hi @ all ;)
[18:51] <Johnjay> can I backup my ubuntu partition by just using rsync? or do i need to image the entire partition with gparted?
[18:52] <memphisto> what filesystem ?
[18:53] <memphisto> you could use dump utility, but its much easier to just image the partition/disk
[18:54] <Johnjay> the file system I just installed on /dev/sda2 with my ubuntu 16 LTS 64 bit cd
[18:54] <Johnjay> i'm thinking something like a system restore being to wipe the partition, use ext4 to format it, then unpack the backup from rsync
[18:54] <Johnjay> are there any potential problems with that?
[18:55] <memphisto> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/storage_administration_guide/ext4backup
[19:00] <memphisto> this one is maybe easier to follow
[19:01] <memphisto> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37488629/how-to-use-dump-and-restore-to-clone-a-linux-os-drive
[19:05] <Johnjay> memphisto: that guide is more geared toward cloning a drive it looks like
[19:06] <Johnjay> it looks like dump uses compression though, so that's good
[19:07] <leftyfb> Johnjay: you are better off using dump or dd as opposed to rsync
[19:07] <memphisto> well, when you restore you are actually cloning
[19:07] <memphisto> cloning to the same system, same disk
[19:10] <Johnjay> leftyfb: that's what i'm trying to figure out
[19:10] <leftyfb> Johnjay: use dd
[19:10] <leftyfb> Johnjay: btw, you don't do this with the system running/mounted
[19:10] <Johnjay> right.
[19:10] <Johnjay> i can just use dd to backup a partition?
[19:11] <Johnjay> that's handy
[19:11] <leftyfb> yes
[19:12] <Johnjay> "You can only do this kind of backup securely if the partition is not mounted, or mounted read-only. "
[19:12] <Johnjay> https://serverfault.com/questions/52260/compressing-dd-backup-on-the-fly
[19:12] <memphisto> please read through the previous pasted links before doing anything; compare dd and dump
[19:12] <Johnjay> i looked at the man pages
[19:13] <Johnjay> but i'm not clear exactly how dump is different. it just says it backs up ext2/3 file systems and uses restore(8) to restore it
[19:13] <leftyfb> memphisto: dd is pretty universal and always available
[19:14] <memphisto> thats true, but what tools you will be using depends of your situation and needs
[19:27] <erry_> hello
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> erry_: welcome, what can we do for you?
[19:31] <seffyroff> Hi folks!  I'm working on a debian installer preseed script, and am wrestling a little with partman-auto-lvm syntax.  It may be that waht I want to do isn't possible with partman-auto however.  Basically I want to setup my regular system partitions (to keep it simple, just / and swap) but leave a bunch of free space after those volumes on the single physical disk I'm targetting.   what actually seems to happen is the lvm vg fills
[19:31] <seffyroff> the physical disk, then the logical volumes are defined correctly
[19:32] <sillysausage> has anyone installed virtualbox lately? the package seems to be stuck for me on Building initial module for 4.15.0-22-generic
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: can you hastebin the full output of your install please
[19:33] <sillysausage> it was like that for over an hour, so i think it hung
[19:33] <sillysausage> unfortunately there was no output just the blinking cursor
[19:33] <sillysausage> and if i try to use apt-get it tells me to run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[19:33] <sillysausage> but then doesn't appear to be doing anything
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: show the output of apt yes
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> seffyroff: your not on ubuntu?
[19:37] <sillysausage> it seems to have failed here lotuspsychje https://dpaste.de/4GCf
[19:37] <sillysausage> but it doesn't really give any information
[19:37] <memphisto> seffyroff: have you checked this https://github.com/xobs/debian-installer/blob/master/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt
[19:37] <seffyroff> lotuspsychje, i'm using it to install ubuntu, but as I understand it the d-i syntax is identical for partman-auto.  Also most of the existing information I've found has cited #debian as a source :)
[19:38] <sillysausage> https://dpaste.de/vF71 that's what got installed
[19:38] <seffyroff> memphisto, checking now, thanks
[19:38] <sillysausage> and lotuspsychje this is what happens https://dpaste.de/3Yuy still waiting nothing happening
[19:39] <n-iCe> can't open pulseaudio, says establishing connection, any idea? was working till today, already rebooted
[19:39] <sillysausage> lotuspsychje: should i kill dpkg it seems to be doing nothing
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: are you compiling virtualbox?
[19:40] <sillysausage> installing from the ubuntu repositories
[19:40] <sillysausage> but it does have to compile a kernel module
[19:40] <seffyroff> memphisto, this looks like the existing docs I've read, but I'll read it again now anyway :)
[19:40] <sillysausage> dpkg does that automatically usually
[19:40] <memphisto> :)
[19:40] <memphisto> you want LVM
[19:40] <memphisto> can you describe a bit closer what you want to make
[19:42] <seffyroff> sure.  simply a smallish root volume, a small swap volume, then the rest of the disk left as free space.
[19:42] <sillysausage> lotuspsychje: i just killed dpkg
[19:42] <memphisto> and how does it look like...can you paste your code
[19:43] <memphisto> why smallish root, you are going to install stuff there ..aren't you
[19:43] <memphisto> at least 15G
[19:43] <seffyroff> yep, that would be smallish :)
[19:43] <memphisto> but i'd go bigger
[19:43] <memphisto> if you install a game or two....
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: did you have old leftovers of previous virtualbox version perhaps?
[19:44] <sillysausage> nope
[19:44] <nacc> seffyroff: when you say 'free space', do you mean unused?
[19:44] <seffyroff> ...it's a server
[19:44] <sillysausage> it's a fresh install
[19:44] <seffyroff> nacc, yes
[19:44] <sillysausage> i was able to dpkg purge
[19:44] <sillysausage> and remove virtualbox i will now purge virtualbox with apt-get and try again
[19:45] <n-iCe> can't open pulseaudio, says establishing connection, any idea? was working till today, already rebooted
[19:45] <seffyroff> as in if I go into parted and type print free, it'd show me a bunch of free space at the end of the disk
[19:45] <sillysausage> lotuspsychje: hmmm damn
[19:46] <sillysausage> it wants to https://dpaste.de/5KP8
[19:46] <nacc> seffyroff: did you pastebin your preseed yet?
[19:46] <sillysausage> but it just hangs.
[19:47] <sillysausage> mmm
[19:47] <sillysausage> i wonder lotuspsychje if this is why
[19:47] <sillysausage> lotuspsychje: when i do ps aux i see:
[19:47] <sillysausage> https://dpaste.de/YVZ1
[19:48] <sillysausage> lotuspsychje: it wants to enrol a key i think
[19:48] <sillysausage> maybe i should turn secureboot off
[19:48] <sillysausage> and remove it
[19:48] <sillysausage> https://dpaste.de/qT5f
[19:49] <sillysausage> i hadn't thought secureboot might actually be causing this
[19:49] <memphisto> seffyroff: Due to limitation of the algorithms in partman-auto, there must be at
[19:49] <memphisto> least one partition with high maximal size so that the whole free
[19:49] <memphisto> space can be used.  Usually you can give the partition containing
[19:49] <memphisto> /home a maximal size 1000000000 which is high enough for the present
[19:49] <memphisto> storage devices. If the large /home is not an option for you, you can
[19:49] <memphisto> also define in the recipe one additional partition with size
[19:49] <memphisto> 1000000000, method "keep" and leave it unmounted.  When the
[19:50] <seffyroff> nacc, one moment
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: system up to date?
[19:51] <sillysausage> yes it is
[19:52] <sillysausage> but for now i need to abort this installation
[19:52] <sillysausage> because of secureboot and do the signing later
[19:53] <seffyroff> nacc, http://termbin.com/v1yo
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: alot of things i read about kernel headers
[19:55] <sillysausage> i wonder how i clean it all off
[19:55] <sillysausage> so dpkg stops trying to configure
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: check this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/get-this-error-when-i-m-tryng-to-setup-dkms
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: nvm the ubuntu version, just to show it might be related to headers
[19:55] <sillysausage> yeah
[19:56] <sillysausage> i think those are installed
[19:57] <sillysausage> yeah they are
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: you getting errors on: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[19:58] <sillysausage> yes
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: hastebin plz
[19:58] <sillysausage> because it is partly installed virtualbox
[19:59] <sillysausage> lotuspsychje: https://dpaste.de/pQA7 grrr
[20:00] <sillysausage> i might delete /var/lib/dpkg/availible/*
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: you have external ppa added
[20:01] <ducasse> l
[20:01] <sillysausage> no, i'm using the virtualbox copy from the ubuntu repos
[20:01] <DirtyCajun> +anyone with tgtd experience that can help me with tuning? my tgtd is using all 16 threads and causing serious iowait 
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: i mean noack and phoerius ppa
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: external ppa's can scramble system, hence why we dont support them
[20:03] <sillysausage> lotuspsychje: those are for other applications unrelated to this issue
[20:03] <sillysausage> ive managed to purge virtualbox now so i can try again
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: i'd reccomend a ppapurge, clean to the original sources, then apt update again
[20:03] <memphisto> seffyroff: and when you install how does the parition scheme look like
[20:06] <seffyroff> memphisto, I'm just running another test with the large allocation suggestion.  I'll come back shortly
[20:07] <sillysausage> yeah it's hung again on the same thing
[20:07] <sillysausage> i will have to do more research on how to install virtualbox with secureboot i think
[20:07] <transhuman> ok, so I have a real weird problem I have the following in my fstab /dev/cl/home /<my home>/VM-Storage   xfs rw 0 0 and yet i have to issue a mount /dev/cl/home VM-Storage/ in order to see the files, anyone know why it wont do it from the fstab?
[20:09] <RoadRunner> does .txt format support multi-colored highlighting?
[20:09] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: .txt isn't a format. It's a file extension which in the grand scheme of things means nothing
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> sillysausage: i dont think secureboot is related to a dpkg interrupt
[20:10] <rbosch13> just successfully installed ubuntu 18.04 on Virtualbox...my first linux experience!
[20:11] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: You're thinking of syntax highlighting which should work in any editor which supports it and on any file extension/type that your editors syntax highlighting recognizes (bash, python, html, yaml, etc)
[20:11] <transhuman> congrads rbosch13
[20:12] <RoadRunner> leftyfb: I know what you are saying but no, I am just trying to see if I can highlight plain text and save it
[20:12] <rbosch13> thanks @transhuman
[20:12] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: in what editor/context?
[20:12] <transhuman> guess as a work around I can put the link in my .bashrc
[20:13] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: if you mean colored text in a terminal, copying it will not copy the colors if that's what you're asking
[20:13] <JimBuntu> RoadRunner, TXT files aren't generally in a format. They are just the chars. So there is no "highlight" feature. You can get fancy with UTF-8/16 chars depending on how portable it needs to be
[20:13] <transhuman> seems kinda of odd almost like a race condition
[20:13] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: and in an editor like vim, syntax highlighting is something the editor is doing, not the content of the file
[20:13] <JimBuntu> RoadRunner, If you only want to cat your files back in a terminal, then you can add color formatting that the terminal will recognize.
[20:13] <transhuman> bbl rebooting to see if at least that works
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> RoadRunner: some cool stuff: a solarized terminal, or colortail
[20:14] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: that won't copy the colors
[20:15] <oherro> hi
[20:15] <oherro> I am having an issue with Prime profile in nvidia-settings
[20:16] <oherro> I want to disable discrete GPU and use the intel integrated one
[20:16] <oherro> but nvidia-settings won't work, it breaks x
[20:16] <oherro> I need CUDA functionality in-tact so I can't use a stub driver
[20:16] <rbosch13> anyone know if there's an issue with audio starting to crackle using ubuntu 18.04 on virtualbox
[20:16] <oherro> any suggestions?
[20:16] <rbosch13> not sure if it's a VB issue, maybe?
[20:16] <RoadRunner> leftyfb: I am not talking about code or terminal; I am just talking about plain text in either a text editor or word processor; I can't do highlighting in mousepad, but can in LO Writer but only in .rtf not .txt
[20:17] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: so what is the question exactly again?
[20:17] <JimBuntu> RoadRunner, correct... RTF stands for Rich Text Format.
[20:18] <RoadRunner> how to save highting in preferably a small text editor other than mousepad if it can be done in a .txt at all?
[20:20] <confluency> Are you asking if it's possible to save a plain text file in which some of the text has a different style, like a background colour?
[20:20] <confluency> No. That is not how plain text works.
[20:20] <skyl4rk[m]> txt can't contain hilighting data
[20:21] <JimBuntu> RoadRunner, you may want to check out "markdown"
[20:21] <oherro> ahh linux command in grub, nouveau.blacklist=1 after uninstalling proprietary drivers
[20:21] <oherro> but that doesn't allow me to use CUDA... I guess I'll make a seperate install for CUDA, because this laptop gets like 55 minutes of battery life with nvidia gpu, intel gpu it gets 2.15
[20:22] <confluency> RoadRunner: it sounds like you want a word processor.
[20:22] <oherro> I need CUDA but not all the time, and my secure linux install with FDE shouldn't need to be the one I use CUDA on because I don't care if someone steals or sees my tensorflow models
 "txt can't contain hilighting data" thank you, that's the confirmation I wanted :)
[20:23] <confluency> RoadRunner: look at Libreoffice, or something lighter, like AbiWord. I suggest using the .odt format; it's an open format.
[20:24] <RoadRunner> confluency: how is .odt supperior to .rtf?
[20:25] <Sbur3> Brother MFC 6490 CW multi purpose printer, scanner, etc.  Will no longer scan.  It scanned in the past.  Anyone wanna help me "recover" the scan function?
[20:26] <confluency> .rtf is a proprietary format, and .odt is more recently developed. I don't particularly care either way; I don't use word processors.
[20:26] <confluency> But .odt seems to be preferred as a standard.
[20:28] <Sbur3> Anyone out there to help?
[20:28] <Sbur3> Brother told me to run the driver installation tool on their web site.  Didn't change anything
[20:29] <transhuman> nope didn't work
[20:29] <RoadRunner> confluency: I thought .rtf was an open standard... you sure its isn't? also, tried to save the same file from .txt to .rtf and to .odt: it grew 10X from .txt to .rtf and 3X more from .rtf to .odt
[20:29] <transhuman> still have to issue a manual mount to get it to mount the directory
[20:29] <transhuman> err. mount the lvm volume on the directory
[20:29] <confluency> RoadRunner: well, that's the disadvantage of saving style information. It needs more space.
[20:30] <confluency> RoadRunner: rtf is certainly supported as a format by multiple tools, but according to Wikipedia it's proprietary.
[20:30] <confluency> Use whatever format you want. It probably doesn't really matter.
[20:30] <rohit> rohit
[20:30] <rohit> hiii
[20:31] <confluency> If you used markdown it would take up less space, but I assume that you want WYSIWYG tools, not a markup language.
[20:31] <RoadRunner> confluency: just as an observating of the experiment I just ran: .odt takes 3X more space than .rtf for the same formating info
[20:31] <confluency> i.e. that you want to see this highlighting at the same time as you're editing the text.
[20:32] <confluency> Well, .odt is a zipped directory of XML files and .rtf is some kind of markup-like text format, so this doesn't really surprise me.
[20:34] <Charater> Who likes Ubuntu 18.04 MATE?
[20:34] <RoadRunner> does "markdown" not allow to see highlighting at the same time as you're editing text?
[20:34] <helo> does the 'script' session logger record passwords typed when echo is off?
[20:34] <confluency> No. Markdown is a language you use to add formatting "code" to plain text. Then you use some kind of tool to transform that into actual formatting when you want to look at it.
[20:35] <confluency> It's like typing comments on forums that allow formatting -- when you save the comment the formatting is applied, but while you're writing it's all *italic*, **bold** and that kind of thing.
[20:35] <confluency> RoadRunner: what is your actual use case here?
[20:36] <confluency> RoadRunner: because that really affects what solutions we should be suggesting.
[20:37] <confluency> If you want to maintain some kind of interlinked collection of notes, for example, you might want to try http://zim-wiki.org/
[20:37] <RoadRunner> confluency: my use is editing plain text but applying preliminary hilighting to it helps to do so
[20:39] <confluency> I wonder if there's an editor that can store style metadata for a text file in a different file.
[20:39] <confluency> Probably a bit of a niche product.
[20:40] <RoadRunner> from what I've just heard, prob the simplest thing to do is just to use a larger tool like Libreoffice or AbiWord ...
[20:41] <RoadRunner> given that Abi is falling out of favour, is there any advantage to it now over LO Writer?
[20:42] <DirtyCajun> my tgtd instance is causing high io on a 16-core server. SSDs, 10Gbps nics and its seriously bottlenecking because of iowait... any thoughts?
[20:42] <confluency> Yeah, I would probably just use a word processor for this (and export everything back to plain text at the end when you don't need the highlighting anymore).
[20:42] <confluency> How is Abi "falling out of favour"?
[20:42] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: which both save in formats like odt and rtf. The editor matters little compared to the file format which is your main concern
[20:42] <confluency> It has never been a direct competitor to Open/Libreoffice; it's something people use because it's more lightweight.
[20:44] <confluency> If you don't need Libreoffice's extensive feature list, which includes things like better compatibility with MS Office, you can probably just use AbiWord.
[20:44] <confluency> But if weight is not a concern, Libreoffice is fine. It doesn't matter. Use whichever one you prefer.
[20:45] <confluency> There are also some other, more obscure word processors -- like KWord, which is the KDE equivalent.
[20:45] <confluency> I really like Kate, the KDE text editor, so KWord may also be nice.
[20:45] <confluency> But I've never tried it.
[20:46] <RoadRunner> my Abi is 3.0.1 (not .2 I know...) but its not very stable... and the latest - .2 isn't even in ubuntu's sofware center, so I guess not as much attention/resources are allocated to it
[20:47] <nacc> RoadRunner: 3.0.2 is in 17.10 and on
[20:47] <RoadRunner> ok, a diff queston: how to change viewing themes (like light text on dark background in Mousepad) in Libreoffice or AbiWord without changing document's formating for print?
[20:47] <nacc> RoadRunner: unless there is a specific bugfix, 3.0.2 won't be fully backported to 16.04
[20:48] <nacc> RoadRunner: specific bugfixes might get cherry-picked, as well, so the version reported by AbiWord and apt aren't necessarily accurate for the content of the binary
[20:48] <confluency> RoadRunner: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114147
[20:49] <confluency> Apparently doable in Libreoffice.
[20:57] <gartral> hey all, got a small issue, I have a hdd from my desktop that's encrypted, I slapped it into my father's desktop but I can't access it, I mount it and it gives me a password prompt, I enter *MY* boot password there and the promt, and drive icon, go poof... how am I supposed to access this without it going stupid?
[21:03] <rypervenche> gartral: Try doing it from the command line and see if there are any errors. Are you also using LVM?
[21:03] <rypervenche> gartral: Perhaps the VGs are named the same, if so.
[21:04] <gartral> rypervenche: I erm... don't know the commands for this >.>
[21:04] <rypervenche> gartral: But we do :) Are you on your father's machine right now?
[21:04] <gartral> rypervenche: yes
[21:07] <rypervenche> gartral: Check your private messages please.
[21:14] <sruli> i added a cronjob for root, the script executes fine manually and when calling it with a systemd unit, but fails from cron with almost all commands "command not found" in the crontab i set "SHELL=/bin/bash", still not working, what can this be?
[21:15] <geirha> sruli: you probably need to set PATH
[21:15] <geirha> it only contains /usr/bin:/bin by default
[21:15] <sruli> geirha: path to what?
[21:15] <geirha> to all the commands your script uses
[21:15] <geirha> all the external ones, anyway
[21:16] <sruli> geirha: hmmm, just got it to work by adding "sudo -u root" in crontab, would that mean its missing the path to the commands?
[21:17] <geirha> sruli: could be, yes. sudo likes to set its own PATH
[21:17] <sruli> geirha: got it, will change to full paths and see
[21:17] <geirha> don't
[21:17] <geirha> set PATH instead
[21:18] <sruli> where should i set that path?
[21:18] <geirha> at the start of the script, or in the crontab line, or as a crontab variable
[21:19] <geirha> E.g.    0 * * * * PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin; yourscript
[21:21] <sruli> geirha: will find out in 30 seconds if it worked
[21:22] <geirha> If you start hardcoding the full paths, you'll regret it the day you migate to a new system and commands are located differently than the old system. With PATH, that's one place to change, with hardcoded full paths, you have to go through the script and check each one
[21:22] <geirha> *migrate
[21:22] <sruli> geirha: i was gonna set a var COMMAND=/path/to/command and call the command with $COMMAND
[21:24] <geirha> still, you have to check each of those unnecessary COMMAND variables, instead of just adjusting PATH (which may not even be necessary, since the commands could be just be in different locations within the same PATH dirs)
[21:28] <sruli> geirha: now its not executing at all, "26 22 * * * PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin; /scripts/main.sh cronRun >> /var/log/cronRun.log 2>&1"
[21:29] <nacc> I don't think you want PATH=...;
[21:29] <nacc> I would expect no ;
[21:30] <sruli> nacc: removed it, still does not execute
[21:33] <geirha> whether you pass it as temporary environment or just set it globally (with the ;) doesn't matter. So it doesn't write anything to cronRun.log?
[21:33] <sruli> geirha: no it doesnt write anything
[21:34] <RoadRunner> confluency: after studying your link carefully, it became clear that they decided NOT to resolve this issue; however, since my use is diff than the guy in the bug discussion, through further experimentation, I found out that creating a dark theme and using hilighting in LO Writer does not get saved in .rtf but does get saved in .odt
[21:34] <geirha> sruli: and this is root's crontab (sudo crontab -e)?
[21:34] <sruli> geirha: ~# crontab -e
[21:35] <geirha> doesn't make sense for it to not run. It should've at least appended an error message to cronRun.log
[21:37] <geirha> you made sure to set the time at least 2 minutes in the future, right? could take a full minute for cron to react to the new crontab
[21:38] <sruli> geirha: useually can set it 2 seconds before due, will try now with 2 minutes
[21:42] <egyptian> hi - .. whenever i run dpkg -l linux-{image,headers}-* it gives me lots of output .. however when i stick it into a script .. it says nothing found .. help pls
[21:43] <hggdh> egyptian: try escaping the * at the end: dpkg -l linux-{image,headers}-\*
[21:44] <egyptian> didnt work hggdh :(
[21:46] <geirha> egyptian: the {x,y} works in bash, but not sh, so make sure you run the script with bash and not sh
[21:46] <sruli> geirha: not working, no entry in log file either
[21:46] <geirha> sruli: not even cron's own log?
[21:46] <sruli> geirha: let me check that
[21:47] <sruli> geirha: would that be in syslog?
[21:47] <egyptian> i have ..and it doesnt work ..
[21:47] <egyptian> does it work on your machine?
[21:49] <baalkyo> hello
[21:49] <baalkyo> who can tell me about openvpn client
[21:50] <baalkyo> where is the default configure file's location?
[21:50] <geirha> sruli: should end up in /var/log/syslog with default config, yes. Look for CRON in all caps
[21:50] <baalkyo> I put it at /etc/openvpn/client.conf
[21:51] <baalkyo> but no use
[21:51] <sm0rux> Anyone knows when Firefox will be updated in the Ubuntu repos? https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2018-14/
[21:52] <sruli> geirha: in syslog all i get it "CRON[29168]: (root) CMD (PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin /scripts/main.sh cronRun >> /var/log/cronRun.log 2>&1)"
[21:52] <geirha> sruli: so it did run. Does it have any output when it succeeds?
[21:53] <sruli> geirha: dont get mad at me, i forgot that i removed "set -x" before.... will add a echo to the script now to make sure it runs, lol
[21:55] <geirha> :)
[21:59] <sruli> geirha: work :-) . i made the path for the whole crontab file by just putting a line in "PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin" (not on same line as the job)
[22:06] <RoadRunner> any idea when a dark theme may be developed for 18.04 now that moding Gtk2 is out?
[22:11] <confluency> Surely there are GTK3 themes?
[22:16] <siix> https://sowhatisthesolution.wordpress.com/tag/systemd/   when i stop and disable dovecot.socket (status shows as disabled and inactive), why does it get started again by "service dovecot start" ?
[22:17] <siix> even with it stopped and disabled i still get the "systemd listens on port .." errors in the dovecot log
[22:22] <Two_Dogs> siix: i would go next step and 'mask' service
[22:23] <siix> mask -> delete dovecot.socket ?
[22:23] <Two_Dogs> sure
[22:23] <siix> honestly i have no idea what it's for... seems like a pita to me
[22:23] <mefista> hi
[22:23] <siix> why guarantee that some service is going to use certain ports when that service can be configured to use different ones ?
[22:25] <mefista> i have aintx
[22:25] <RoadRunner> confluency: I didn't look around but no dark themes were in the default instal
[22:28] <confluency> https://www.google.com/search?q=gtk3+dark+theme
[22:29] <RoadRunner> perhaps I should have mentioned, I am running xubuntu...
[22:31] <confluency> Then search for XFCE themes.
[22:34] <waveslave> join #ubuntuforums
[22:35] <RoadRunner> I hope they've improved documentation  for GTK3 theming since last time I looked
[22:53] <skink> @find kaskade
[22:55] <genii> !info kaskade
[22:55] <genii> Hm
[22:56] <oerheks> !find kaskade
[23:38] <ginseng> i set up an encrypted home when i first installed ubuntu 16.04 a while ago, but i now discover that *any* input (even no input) to the encrypted home prompt will give me access to the home directory. i mounted my home from a live usb and see it has the .Private and .ecryptfs directories and that my data appears to be encrypted. i wasnt able to decrypt it this way with ecryptfs-mount-private because of the way Ubuntu hardcodes the paths, but i can
[23:38] <ginseng> still verify when i use it as a bootable medium that any password works
[23:52] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[23:53] <CountryfiedLinux> I replaced Ubuntu Dock with the Dash-to-Dock extension. Now how do I remove Ubuntu Dock from the login screen?
[23:57] <oerheks> CountryfiedLinux, i read his page on github, there seems to be "Optional features are available in the extension settings"
[23:58] <oerheks> not sure why it would be on the loginscreen, if it has all icons, i guess that would be unwanted behaviour