[03:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:16] <ducasse> good morning
[06:17] <oerheks> :-)
[06:18] <ducasse> hi oerheks - how are you, drabber and pien today?
[06:18] <oerheks> great, already had a walk
[06:19] <oerheks> cats don't need assistant walks .. lucky you
[06:21] <ducasse> yup, all i had to do was open the window for her
[08:22] <EriC^^> morning all
[08:23] <oerheks> go back to sleep EriC^^
[08:23] <EriC^^> lol
[08:24] <EriC^^> i was working on the car, it's damn hot
[08:24] <oerheks> i was working on my bike, sanding it,.. it is hot indeed
[08:26] <EriC^^> what kind of bike is it?
[08:26] <guiverc_t> i was working on loading ammo for tomorrow, the temp was perfect !
[08:27] <guiverc_t> (a bit late - I was thinking of goldilocks & the three bears :) )
[08:27] <EriC^^> :D
[08:32] <oerheks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uii6i3bsvesfaqk/2018bakfiets4.JPG?dl=0 > https://www.dropbox.com/s/s09dptvhi403vgs/2018-fresh-paint1.JPG?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/klgfdd2kfrutxt7/2018sanding-bike.JPG?dl=0
[10:57] <ducasse> realtek is such a trashfire
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:43] <tomreyn> right, we should build a wall between realtek and us.
[11:43] <tomreyn> or something
[11:51] <blackflow> package up tiny fire extinguishers made by Atheros, with every Realtek product.
[12:17] <blackflow> srsly, snaps are a good idea, but too much is too much. gnome calculator as a snap is ridiculous. 170MB just for a calculator. what problem does that solve? what is wrong with gnome's own calculator that comes with gnome that's already installed?
[12:18] <blackflow> it is also very buggy. took a minute to start, so I went in to investigate wth... apparmor denials galore. logs working overtime just to log the brokenness of snap'd calculator.
[12:20] <Allie`> blackflow: it's in there as a deb
[12:20] <Allie`> `apt install gnome-calculator`
[12:20] <Allie`> ta-diddly-da
[12:21] <blackflow> teh ridiculous default still remains, and I'm curious as to why it is.
[12:24] <tomreyn> probably as a POC ;-)
[12:24] <tomreyn> you know, prooving exploitability on windows is usually done by sapwning the calculator
[12:26] <blackflow> which is about execution of arbitrary code, and to make it visible, they spawn the calc. Same can be done with snap'd calc because the exploit vector is not in the calc.
[12:27] <blackflow> I can think of so many more valuable POCs for snaps. Say... Firefox being snap by default. Chrom(e|ium). Steam. Why not Steam. So obvious.
[12:28] <tomreyn> you wouldn't want steam installed by default. firefox could work, but i'd suspect submitting to maintinaing that as a snap for 5 years was not seomthing developers were entirely hot about.
[12:28] <tomreyn> (when it also needs to be maintained as a deb at the same time)
[12:30] <blackflow> that actually negates the existence of snaps in the first place.
[12:31] <blackflow> which is wrong though. Snaps are supposed to put the application delivery into the hands of vendors, and it's actually far easier to maintain a piece of software for 5 years as a snap, than as a deb that might grow dependency issues as time passes.
[12:35] <tomreyn> note i'm just speculating, i can be entirely wrong about this.
[12:38] <oerheks> LOLz... a rant over 170 mb ... https://snapcraft.io/gnome-calculator
[13:29] <blackflow> oh my I guess Im becoming dyslexic. that was version, not size
[13:30] <blackflow> snap info gnome-calculator | grep installed
[13:30] <blackflow> installed:   3.28.1              (170) 2MB -
[13:55] <tomreyn> whoops
[13:56] <tomreyn> i still like ranting over snap and applications installed from them by default, though.
[13:58] <tomreyn> making it the default installation source for unexperienced users (who will only get to see the gnome / ubuntu app store) seems like a good choice only from a financial aspect.
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: brb grabbing a coffee real quick :p
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> jesus.. https://hastebin.com/fusibesure.go
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038368/slow-boot-on-ubuntu-18-04
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> its all over the web