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ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: Sorry, my chat windows were closed yesterday.15:11
ErichEickmeyerYes, meeting. Today. Working on agenda. Very tired, had a long week.15:11
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: Ruh roh. Getting "fail to build" for the -controls daily.16:21
OvenWerksyes... I am sure it is my mistake :P16:21
ErichEickmeyerNo worries. I was just shocked to get the email!16:23
OvenWerksfor some reason my git upload ended up belonging to core rather than devel16:24
ErichEickmeyerStrange.16:25
ErichEickmeyerI just did a whole bunch of restructuring at https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio to get it up-to-date (was running a good 4 years behind), so I'm not sure if that affected it or not.16:25
OvenWerkstrying again16:45
ErichEickmeyerLooks like it wants your launchpad ID in bzr.16:47
OvenWerksthis is git?16:47
OvenWerksanyway I have to go...16:47
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: This is what I'm seeing: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x52pG2zB7t/16:51
ErichEickmeyerSee ya later.16:51
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: per krytarik: s/bzr-builder/git-build-recipe/17:35
OvenWerksthats what it said...17:41
OvenWerksI can no longer find the recipe I created... but it is there somewhere so I can't create a new one17:43
krytarikOvenWerks: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+recipe/ubuntustudio-controls-daily - and you know, you could have just edited it instead.17:45
OvenWerksso it changed it on me... 17:46
OvenWerksErichEickmeyer: edit does not chnge it.17:51
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: I'm clueless on this one. That was krytarik's suggestion.17:52
OvenWerksErichEickmeyer: I edit the recipe to make it git, I update the recipe, then I go back to edit and it is as if I had never changed it.... no error message or anything17:53
ErichEickmeyerYeah, that's weird.17:54
krytarikAnd you know, setting the last used Bazaar branch to both "old" and 'abandoned' is rather fun when there are still all these: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls17:54
OvenWerksSo how do I get rid of it?17:55
OvenWerksif everything is to be switched to git... where is a detailed path to do so?17:56
OvenWerksLaunchpad still for the most part, thinks in BZR17:56
* OvenWerks finds this very frustrating17:57
OvenWerksI am thinking to just change everything back... pull a bzr branch, drop all files from my git brinch into it... and push17:59
ErichEickmeyerI'm not sure if the path to switching to git has been solidified yet. tsimonq2 would have more details on that.17:59
ErichEickmeyerBut yes, I get the frustration. :/17:59
krytarikhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+configure-code - either of you should be able to switch the default VCS of the project to Git here.18:00
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: Should we do it?18:01
OvenWerksI am on that page as happens :)18:01
ErichEickmeyerhaha18:01
OvenWerksthere is no help here what is the Banch Name to use? Truck? master?18:02
ErichEickmeyerI'd use trunk or master for now.18:03
ErichEickmeyerThe main project page was a mess, so I hope I didn't bork anything with the cleanup.18:07
OvenWerksit is just getting messier with me doing this :(18:15
OvenWerkswell I don't know what I did... but my recipe saved right this time.18:18
OvenWerksga!, got my versioning wrong.18:22
OvenWerksbuilds ok at least18:22
OvenWerkshttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild18:24
OvenWerksThere it is.18:24
OvenWerksThere is the latest snapshot of -controls and it appears I have successfully switched it to git.18:27
OvenWerksknown issues: any config change does a restart. Some config changes will always do a restart anway, but some don't need to18:28
ErichEickmeyerYay!18:29
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: The changes doing restart: is that a jackdbus thing?18:29
OvenWerksno, just unfinished work :)18:30
OvenWerksHowever any jack config change will always restart18:30
ErichEickmeyerThat makes sense. Would suck for someone that didn't know that when all the sudden Ardour gripes.18:31
OvenWerksbut things like pulse bridging and what ports it connects to. extra device bridging and a2j midi bridging will be able to be changed on the fly... soon.18:31
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: Sweet. Pulse bridging and what ports it connects to can usually be done with any patchbay, unless I'm misunderstanding you.18:32
WMRamadanHey guys so when is the meeting?18:32
OvenWerkspulse bridging itself can't, but where they hook could be yes.18:32
OvenWerks28 minutes18:32
WMRamadangreat18:33
ErichEickmeyerWMRamadan: Welcome! We need all the packaging and testing we can get! Do you have a launchpad account?18:34
OvenWerksErichEickmeyer: the user can choose which device pulse applications should use for output and which ports. input ports will default 1+2 on the same device or on system if that device has no inputs.18:34
WMRamadanErichEickmeyer: Yes I have setup launchpad account and joined the mailing list, checking out the meeting agenda now!18:34
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: Cool. That makes it a one-stop shop for audio config, rather than setting the default for the pulse bridge prior to starting jack, which is what I do.18:36
ErichEickmeyerWMRamadan: What's your launchpad account?18:36
WMRamadanErichEickmeyer: https://launchpad.net/~wmramadan18:38
ErichEickmeyerWMRamadan: Sweet.18:40
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: For packaging, should I add him to the Developers or Contributors group (or both)?18:41
OvenWerksdevelopment for sure18:41
OvenWerksI don't remember what contributors is for to be honest.18:41
ErichEickmeyerhaha, ok18:42
ErichEickmeyerDone. Welcome aboard, WMRamadan!18:42
OvenWerksErichEickmeyer: contrib does have one code branch.18:44
ErichEickmeyerYeah, the multiple DE Metas, an abandoned project that we're inadvertently reviving with -plasma. XD18:44
OvenWerksexcept it seems to want to load evrything onto the iso :P18:45
ErichEickmeyerEeek.  Maybe worth keeping abandoned.18:47
OvenWerksit is often easier to start fresh rather than try to figure out someone elses start.18:48
ErichEickmeyerYep.18:49
OvenWerksA lot of the thing desktop-gnome pulls in would have been pulled in by desktop anyway.18:49
WMRamadanErichEickmeyer: Thanks18:49
ErichEickmeyerYeah. It's clearly outdated.18:50
OvenWerksxfce and gnome share a lot of things too... more than xfce and plasma I think.18:50
ErichEickmeyerWell, GTK for one...18:51
OvenWerkswe will need three metas, desktop-core, desktop-xfce and desktop-plasma (and maybe a desktop-default)18:51
OvenWerksgtk gets pulled in anyway18:52
ErichEickmeyerYeah.18:52
OvenWerkslots of applications require it.18:52
ErichEickmeyerI think if we reverse-engineer kubuntu-desktop we might get some clues.18:52
OvenWerksyup18:53
WMRamadanAnyone her work for Canonical?18:55
ErichEickmeyerNobody on the Ubuntu Studio team works for Canonical.18:55
ErichEickmeyerWe're 100% volunteer.18:56
ErichEickmeyerThat said, we have connections.18:56
WMRamadanYea, I understand that I was just wondering if anyone happens to be from Canonical18:56
ErichEickmeyerWimpress is, but you won't see him talk in here very often. He mostly lurks.18:57
ErichEickmeyer#startmeeting19:01
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ErichEickmeyer#chair ErichEickmeyer eylul krytarik OvenWerks19:01
meetingologyCurrent chairs: ErichEickmeyer OvenWerks eylul krytarik19:01
ErichEickmeyerOkay, anyone here?19:01
WMRamadanYup19:02
ErichEickmeyerSweet. We could wait for everyone else to show up.19:02
ErichEickmeyer#topic ubuntustudio-controls19:03
ErichEickmeyerHey OvenWerks, how's the progress?19:03
OvenWerksI think it is about usable now.19:04
ErichEickmeyerSweet. I'm assuming the latest build was successful?19:04
OvenWerksthere is a build in: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild19:05
OvenWerksit can be tested in 18.04 and .1019:05
ErichEickmeyerCool. I'll download and install it sometime later today to help in the testing.19:05
ErichEickmeyerNext step would be to get it in the cosmic repo.19:06
OvenWerksyes19:06
ErichEickmeyerThat might have to be a ross or tsimonq2 thing.19:07
OvenWerksI think so.19:07
ErichEickmeyerOkay.19:07
OvenWerks-controls is a little less disruptive than cadence19:07
OvenWerksalso cadence and -controls do not work together19:07
ErichEickmeyercadence and qjackctl don't work together either. :P19:08
OvenWerkscadence is quite intrusive19:08
ErichEickmeyer#done initial builds of new ubuntustudio-controls available for testing.19:08
OvenWerkswe should probably add a breaks cadence or something19:08
ErichEickmeyer#info ubuntustudio-controls breaks cadence19:09
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: Would we add that to the package?19:09
OvenWerksI think so19:09
ErichEickmeyerCool.19:09
OvenWerksThe only problem is that there is no cadence package19:09
OvenWerksso knowing the exact name is hard :(19:10
ErichEickmeyerWell, then it'll have to be part of the release notes.19:10
ErichEickmeyerUsually it's cadence, at least in the kxstudio ppa it is.19:11
OvenWerksI'll add that19:11
ErichEickmeyerCool.19:11
ErichEickmeyer#agreed "add cadence to package breaks for ubuntustudio-controls"19:12
ErichEickmeyerOkay. On to the next topic19:12
ErichEickmeyer#topic ubuntustudio-welcome and -boutique19:13
ErichEickmeyerNo real progress to report. It's been a busy week. Though, if anybody wants to contribute in the rebranding process, it's at https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-welcome and https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-boutique.19:14
ErichEickmeyer#link https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-welcome19:14
ErichEickmeyer#link https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-boutique19:14
ErichEickmeyerAny questions or comments?19:15
OvenWerkswas going to ask if we need welcome too... but think it is probably good to have.19:16
ErichEickmeyerWell, from looking at the code, they kinda depend on each other.19:16
OvenWerksif we can pack then as a deb would be nice too.19:16
ErichEickmeyeriirc they're available as deb.19:17
ErichEickmeyerAt least, the budgie and mate versions are.19:17
OvenWerkscool19:17
ErichEickmeyerThe mate version is only installed as a snap by default.19:17
ErichEickmeyerThat's all I've got. Still working on the rebranding. This past week was crazy for me.19:18
ErichEickmeyerOn to next topic19:18
OvenWerksk19:19
ErichEickmeyer#topic Documentation19:19
ErichEickmeyer#subtopic Cleanup19:19
ErichEickmeyerThe documentation is a mess, and I added myself to try to see what I could do about changing some outdated documentation. Haven't seen SlidingHorn around for a while, but I was hoping he'd lead the charge on this.19:19
ErichEickmeyerThere's also a "setup" section that has a lot of things that -controls does for you without having to touch the command line (add user to audio, rt memory unlock, etc.).19:20
ErichEickmeyerSo, that needs to be modified to talk more about -controls than any manual changes to config files.19:21
OvenWerksya, thats old19:21
ErichEickmeyerYeah. I'll be going through that as I have time and clean it up and make some revisions. Already changed the references to the current versions which were about 2 years outdated.19:22
ErichEickmeyerOkay, next topic.19:24
ErichEickmeyer#topic Wallpapers19:24
ErichEickmeyerI don't know why I put this on the agenda since I have nothing. Though, we did run into a bit of a tabled topic last time. Is eylul available?19:24
OvenWerksI think we are still stuck19:26
ErichEickmeyerOkay. We'll keep it tabled. :/19:26
ErichEickmeyer#topic New Website Theme19:26
ErichEickmeyerNot seeing Ross or eylul, so we'll have to move on. We need to get that theme uploaded.19:27
OvenWerksright19:27
ErichEickmeyer#topic Musician's Handbook19:27
ErichEickmeyerFirst of all, big welcome and thank you to preppert who is not here right now for that amazing handbook. I had the privilege of reading it.19:27
WMRamadanWhere is this Musician’s Handbook?19:28
ErichEickmeyerWMRamadan: It's still work-in-progress, but he linked it on the mailing list and you can find the thread in the archives.19:28
ErichEickmeyerI plan on making a spot on the User Wiki for it to live as a living document, and that can be used to make official releases likely following every release as proposed by eylul.19:29
ErichEickmeyerShould be mostly a copy-paste operation.19:30
ErichEickmeyerMy question is if preppert was planning on publishing it as a physical or ebook?19:30
ErichEickmeyerBecause that would be amazing.19:31
ErichEickmeyerAnything to add? Anyone?19:31
* OvenWerks can't find the mail list archive...19:32
WMRamadanyea I can’t find it either19:32
ErichEickmeyer#link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/19:33
ErichEickmeyerSpecifically https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2018-June/subject.html19:33
WMRamadanMuch better it was hard searching the archive19:34
ErichEickmeyerCool.19:34
ErichEickmeyerWell, I guess we'll get the answer. Anyhow, let's move on.19:35
ErichEickmeyer#topic ubuntustudio-icon-theme: change disto icon19:35
ErichEickmeyerSo, the thing I was thinking is that the distributor-loco icon is a bit dated, and not uniform with the blue circle enclosing the logo on the other flavors, so I thought it would be a good idea to fix that. I'm all for doing it myself using the svgs avalable.19:36
* OvenWerks is obtuse and wonders what is wrong with the old one or what is the new thing19:36
OvenWerksYa sure, go ahead.19:37
ErichEickmeyerCool.19:38
ErichEickmeyerCan't find it right now, but I'll link it if I can.19:39
ErichEickmeyer#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=White-on-Blue_circle.svg19:40
ErichEickmeyerThat.19:40
OvenWerksThere do seem to be more than one, the one on our launchpad page is different than on my menu19:40
OvenWerksThat is the one in Launchpad19:40
ErichEickmeyerYeah. Seems that both are official, but the circled one seems to be more uniform with the rest of the flavors.19:40
OvenWerksThe one on my menu is negative to that19:40
ErichEickmeyerYou mean this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Blue-on-White_circle.svg19:41
OvenWerksIt is trying to look like and open reel tape reel19:41
OvenWerksyes19:41
ErichEickmeyerWe can still have that for wallpapers, but I was thinking about uniformity with the rest of the flavors.19:42
OvenWerksfor example?19:42
OvenWerkssquare?19:42
OvenWerks(ish)19:43
ErichEickmeyerhttps://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ubuntu-official-flavors.jpg19:44
ErichEickmeyerJust an example.19:44
OvenWerksok19:44
ErichEickmeyerThat's a bunch of flavors and the official "circle of friends". I guess ours is the "circle of reel?" XD19:44
OvenWerksreely reely19:45
ErichEickmeyerhaha19:45
ErichEickmeyerAnyhow, so I guess I'll go ahead and play around with it. Might be a good first package for me to modify.19:45
ErichEickmeyerOkay, on to the next topic...19:46
OvenWerksok, the reel thing just happens to be round like most buntu things but otherwise does not even start to cover all Studio does.19:46
ErichEickmeyerAgreed. Though, I don't think completely revising the logo is a good thing to do right now.19:47
OvenWerksno19:47
ErichEickmeyerI'm just talking about the one icon package.19:47
ErichEickmeyerAnyhow...19:47
ErichEickmeyer#topic hangar18 stepping down19:48
OvenWerksgo ahead with next19:48
ErichEickmeyerCharlie wanted to contribute, but realized it wasn't a good time for him citing family issues. I just wanted to let everyone know in case weird rumors fly around.19:48
ErichEickmeyerThe timing with the Github post on the ML was what prompted me to try to kill the rumors.19:49
OvenWerksno problem, people are here as they can be.19:49
ErichEickmeyerAnd next topic...19:49
ErichEickmeyer#topic Changing meetings from weekly to semi-weekly19:50
ErichEickmeyerI think it'd be healthy at this point in the development process to meet every other week.19:50
OvenWerksconcidering how many people are here today and the amount of changes since last time...19:50
ErichEickmeyerYeah. I think, especially considering the time of year, we should do that. People want to spend time with their families, and I'm no exception.19:51
ErichEickmeyerPerhaps as the release gets closer we can up the frequency, but for now, and to keep from stretching too thin, I think semi-weekly is good.19:52
ErichEickmeyerThoughts?19:52
OvenWerksok, I'll second if needed19:52
ErichEickmeyerSweet.19:52
ErichEickmeyer#vote Change Meetings from Weekly to Semi-Weekly19:53
meetingologyPlease vote on: Change Meetings from Weekly to Semi-Weekly19:53
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:53
ErichEickmeyer+119:53
meetingology+1 received from ErichEickmeyer19:53
OvenWerks+119:53
meetingology+1 received from OvenWerks19:53
krytarik+119:53
meetingology+1 received from krytarik19:53
WMRamadanCan I vote?19:53
ErichEickmeyerSure!19:53
OvenWerksyes19:53
WMRamadan+119:54
meetingology+1 received from WMRamadan19:54
OvenWerksI think that is everyone actually here19:54
ErichEickmeyer#endvote19:54
meetingologyVoting ended on: Change Meetings from Weekly to Semi-Weekly19:54
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:019:54
meetingologyMotion carried19:54
ErichEickmeyerUnanimous.19:54
ErichEickmeyerOkay. That's all I've got for this week. I'd like to officially welcome WMRamadan to our packaging & development team!19:55
ErichEickmeyerAnything else to discuss?19:55
WMRamadanThanks, looking forward to making some contributions.19:55
ErichEickmeyer#topic packaging19:56
ErichEickmeyerWe would really like to get Carla packaged if you're up for the challenge, WMRamadan.19:56
ErichEickmeyerAlso, we will definitely need packaging help with -welcome, -boutique, and -plasma.19:57
WMRamadanOk, how do I get started?19:58
WMRamadanAlso, we are talking about Carla the autonomous driving simulator?19:58
ErichEickmeyerNo, talking about Carla the plugin host.19:59
ErichEickmeyeraudio plugin host, that is.19:59
WMRamadanHaha, ok sorry19:59
ErichEickmeyer#link https://github.com/falkTX/Carla19:59
OvenWerkshttp://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Applications:Carla19:59
WMRamadanYea, got it20:00
WMRamadanSo how do I get started with this?20:00
ErichEickmeyerWMRamadan: Any .deb packaging experience?20:00
OvenWerksThe big thing to remember when packaging is that not everything needs to be included.20:00
WMRamadanSo all that is needed is to create a .deb package?20:00
OvenWerksFor example linux sampler can't be20:01
OvenWerksthe build pocess is a little different that the normal ./configure20:01
OvenWerksmake does not fail if things are missing it just buuilds without that funtionallity20:02
WMRamadanOnce I get this to work is this submitted on launchpad?20:02
ErichEickmeyerI believe so, but OvenWerks, Ross, and tsimonq2 have more insight on that.20:03
OvenWerksLaunchpad can be used to store it, but ultimately it needs to be included in debian.20:04
* ErichEickmeyer is still learning packaging and launchpad himself.20:04
ErichEickmeyerOvenWerks: Unless it's in the universe or multiverse repos.20:04
OvenWerksI have just learned that I am not very good at it.20:04
ErichEickmeyerOkay. OvenWerks, you okay getting him started?20:05
* ErichEickmeyer wishes Ross were here20:06
OvenWerksI have yet to package anything :)20:06
ErichEickmeyerWMRamadan: you okay to lurk here? tsimonq2 is a good resource for packaging.20:07
WMRamadanok no problem20:07
WMRamadanwould it go something like this….20:07
WMRamadan1 - Build binaries for Ubuntu Studio 18.0420:07
ErichEickmeyerHe's just not available. Something, something, Southeast Linux Fest.20:07
WMRamadan2 - Creat .deb package20:08
WMRamadan3 - Submitte to launchpad for review20:08
WMRamadan?20:08
ErichEickmeyerKindof. More like build, create .deb with source, upload to personal PPA, test .deb, then ???.20:09
OvenWerksgetting a package to a private ppa is first I think. I don't know who reviews things for inclusion20:09
ErichEickmeyerWe lost most of our packagers over the past couple years.20:09
WMRamadanWho maintains what goes in the repo?20:10
ErichEickmeyerThat would be the ubuntu release team.20:10
WMRamadanDo we meet with the release team?20:10
ErichEickmeyerNo, but we can tell them we have a package we'd like to include. They have a mailing list and an IRC channel. #ubuntu-release20:11
ErichEickmeyerThat's usually where I come in as release manager.20:12
WMRamadanHow can I join that mailing list?20:12
ErichEickmeyerhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release20:12
ErichEickmeyerWe should probably end this meeting and finish up outside of the meeting.20:13
OvenWerksok20:13
ErichEickmeyerCan I get a second?20:13
OvenWerksseconded20:13
ErichEickmeyerAlright.20:13
ErichEickmeyer#endmeeting20:13
meetingologyMeeting ended Sat Jun  9 20:13:27 2018 UTC.  20:13
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-06-09-19.01.moin.txt20:13
ErichEickmeyerI'll get the notes out when I can, but I have to go for now.20:14
OvenWerkshave a great day20:14
ErichEickmeyerYou too!20:15

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