[01:31] <bluesabre> Happy to see this finally fixed, lp 1774838
[01:49] <Unit193> ...I did the panel package but forgotted to puuuush.
[01:54] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+sourcepub/9166620/+listing-archive-extra
[02:06] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - i386 - i386 built.
[02:07] <Unit193> Backported dh-autoreconf to 'experimental' for bionic too. :P
[02:15] <Unit193> now xfce4-panel is PPA'd.
[02:30] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[03:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[06:21] <flocculant> Unit193: updgrading - see new panel, seems a bunch of plugins are going to be removed - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6sxpxb4rGk/
[06:21] <flocculant> not done it yet though - slipping out for a while
[06:26] <Unit193> xfce4-panel (>= 4.11), xfce4-panel (<< 4.13)
[06:26] <Unit193> Urgh..
[08:02] <Unit193> flocculant: Looking into it now.
[08:03] <Unit193> ...Well this is fun, so there's a few: grep-dctrl -n -FDepends -sPackage "xfce4-panel (<< 4.13)" /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_bionic*amd64_Packages
[08:03] <Unit193> Uploading all for a rebuild...
[08:04] <Unit193> So to sum up: xfce4-panel will cause a transition, thunar will cause a smaller transition, and xfconf will cause a transition.
[08:04] <Unit193> I think one of you guys must really hate me or something. >_>
[09:32] <Unit193> flocculant: Upgrades should all go smoothly, and you should be able to get rid of the old libxfconf library, well except for ristretto.
[18:18] <albinard> Just installed Xubuntu Core 18.10 first alpha (complete with warning), it installed and runs perfectly!
[18:19] <albinard> Sent my test report to the QA
[18:20] <knome> :)
[20:25] <k3dAR> hi, question about "Xubuntu QA Experimental" PPA, today set of updates packages is only for 18.10 and with use this PPA on 18.04 and do full-upgrade is missed many packages and apt try remove many xfce packages... will be this "fixed"? or 18.04 is from now not supported in this PPA? thx
[20:27] <Unit193> I haven't pushed a rebuild for the panel plugins to Bionic, and some depend on xfce4-panel (<< 4.13)
[20:37] <k3dAR> thanks :-) and is please posible do it? or is any technical problem?
[20:42] <Unit193> I wasn't planning on it, since testing should likely be done more on Cosmic, but should be doable.
[20:44] <Unit193> k3dAR: Starting the upload now...
[20:45] <Unit193> Also, since this is development builds, they have a chance to break.  We're also evaluating whether we want to ship everything in Cosmic, so if you run into any problems we'd love to hear them.
[20:49] <k3dAR> many thanks :-) I would understand if the support of 18.04 was stopped(complete remove 18.04 or remove today libxfce4panel-2.0-4  and xfce4-panel and keep set of previous non removable set), but it would be a pity when it is the last lts
[20:50] <k3dAR> of course, if i have any problem, i report it... i use xubuntu 18.04 + xubuntu-dev ppa as primary system/nb...
[20:50] <Unit193> Bionic is only getting them because it is $current_release, not because it's LTS.
[20:51] <k3dAR> is any actual bug report page on another place that launchpad where is look like unused? or report it here on irc channel? or any mailing list?
[20:52] <k3dAR> understand, then after release 18.10, will be ppa for 18.04 stoped? i think from history that support yours dev ppa for 16.04 will be until 18.04 relases or not?
[20:53] <k3dAR> btw: sorry for me bad english :-)
[20:54] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=bionic they're all buildin'.  While usually it's recommended to report them to launchpad or Xfce's bugzilla, since these are in a PPA and we're evaluating whether to ship them or not I'd say we'd be specifically interested so IRC or the devel mailing list 
[20:54] <Unit193> would be good.  And, well thses aren't really *backports*, they're more development releases.  I don't personally like trying to backport to the last LTS as it gets considerably more difficult as time moves on, but I'm not the only dev in the Xubuntu team. :)
[20:56] <Unit193> GTK3 version requirements get bumped higher than the LTS has, and libraries change (eg, we'll likely switch xfce4-indicator-plugin to use Ayatana indicators in cosmic, this would break on Bionic.)
[21:03] <k3dAR> build finished, published and i have succesfully all upgraded, i do restart lighdm session now...
[21:06] <k3dAR> Unit193: at first glance it's not any problem :-) thanks
[21:07] <Unit193> You're welcome.
[21:11] <k3dAR> and i see that in xfce panel settings is now localised "Backup and Restore" button, nice, i reported this before :-)
[21:20] <Unit193> flocculant: Can I get some QA buy-in on this, btw?
[21:37] <k3dAR> Unit193: i try all updates plugins (cpugraph mailwatch notes panel places quicklauncher sensors timer verve weather), add to panel and configure it, all work... only new plugin messenger i don't know if work, in panel settings not have icon and not posibility to configure
[21:39] <Unit193> k3dAR: To be clear, while some of these are new plugins, most are just rebuilt against the new xfce4-panel.  The messanger plugin is a very old plugin, and as far as I know doesn't even really have a home.  I'd be surprised if that one worked.
[21:40] <Unit193> xfce4-linelight-plugin xfce4-radio-plugin xfce4-hdaps are all oooold.
[21:55] <k3dAR> when talking about old plugins, is any chance of resurection of thunar-shares-plugin? :-)
[21:58] <k3dAR> ugh, 9year about 0.2 in git now see 0.3 version from 3 month ago
[21:59] <Unit193> https://git.xfce.org/thunar-plugins/thunar-shares-plugin/commit/?id=9f9d2429217838b3b8375e41ab3675412cf1d0ed but seems it was only ported..
[22:04] <k3dAR> yes, already downloaded and try compile, but thunarx is new for me :-)
[22:11] <k3dAR> ok, needed package libthunarx-3-dev
[22:12] <Unit193> (RFP - #672539) http://bugs.debian.org/672539 thunar-shares-plugin
[22:24] <k3dAR_> Unit193: thunar-shares-plugin compiled&installed ok, but in folder properties not present :-) (user is in sambashare group, lightdm restarted) anyway good is after many years somebody work on it :-)
[22:29] <Unit193> k3dAR_: I don't think it's really being worked on, just ported to the new thunar and gtk3. And you have to set the prefix to use it with system panel.
[22:34] <k3dAR_> understand, i just want try it ;-) prefix set using autogen parameter as in README, that find where is thunarx prefix, /usr... also i look in README where is some usershare parameters for smb.conf, though mentioned is not need by user set from 8.04, but who know :-)
[22:41] <k3dAR_> Unit193: modify smb.conf not help, but youre right, i have some problem with prefix, autoget show /usr, but install is to / ;-)
[22:46] <k3dAR_> my bad, autogen show /usr before when i try with thunarx-3 parameter, but after i install correct dev package, then i use thunarx-1 as is in README and this not set preffix... anyway with right prefix /usr and really installed to /usr not show in folder properties
[22:58] <k3dAR_> Unit193: ok, now in folder properties is shared tab, set share using it add to usershare ("net usershare list" show it) and via network is accessed :-) only problem was (as you say) with prefix, command from README set prefix to /usr, install put plugin in path /usr/lib/thunarx-3, but i look that real path for plugins (where i have already other installed thunar plugins) is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/thunarx-3, and if manualy 
[23:03] <k3dAR_> https://s22.postimg.cc/juzn06wcx/thunar-1.8_with_thunar-shares-plugin-0.3.png
[23:16] <Unit193> So the plugin actually works?
[23:18] <k3dAR_> yes
[23:18] <Unit193> Hrm..
[23:26] <k3dAR_> in source is only need fix detection of plugin path(try find here but not sure where) and in README for configure+autogen s/thunarx-1/thunarx-3/