[02:40] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:42] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Early bird, for the worm ?
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> got attacked by mosquito
[02:42] <Bashing-om> that will do it too :P
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> coffee & idle on sunday mornings zzzz
[02:47] <Bashing-om> coffee is good :)
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> hey IcemanV9
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> morning
[03:39] <IcemanV9> evening, sir
[03:41] <IcemanV9> modal diaglog window is attached to their parent window was enabled by default. it drove me batty today. thanks goodness for the tweak to turn it off! argh
[03:41] <IcemanV9> *dialog
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> window of what IcemanV9 ?
[03:48] <IcemanV9> any application - it moved with the window when i tried to see information behind the dialog.
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> ah
[03:50] <IcemanV9> it wasn't a good idea at all to have it enabled by default. anyway, tweak saved my day (and hair) : )
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:13] <ducasse> good morning
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> !16.04.2
[08:28] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: solved your problem of long boot? I just found a bug in Bionic and it's been reported since 2016, with a comment that might explain long boot times.
[08:28] <blackflow> bug #1579580
[08:28] <blackflow> see comment #11 . Found that thing because I found massive spamming by ureadahead in my logs as well.
[08:31] <blackflow> now to figure out why gnome crashed on idle computer that stayed up overnight (no suspend activated). upon restarting the shell (alt+F2+r), the dock would not come up.
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: think its not related, as my 16.04 went rocketfast
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: only experience this on bionic
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: but lemme check anyway in syslog
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: hmm found also ureadahead spams
[09:09] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: comment #3 fixed it for me
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> lemme do that
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: i dont have a ureadahead.service.d folder, do you?
[09:12] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: no you create it. just run   systemctl edit ureadahead.service  and add those three lines.
[09:13] <blackflow> it will open an empty file in the $EDITOR, so you just need to override ExecStart   (twice, exactly like in the comment)
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: ok got a quiet.conf now containing [Service]
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> ExecStart=
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> ExecStart=/sbin/ureadahead -q
[09:20] <blackflow> now reboot and see if that fixes the issue. even if it doesn't, it quiets down the logs, this was waaaay to spammy.
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> kk lets c
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: doesnt feel too shiny yet :p
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: ive been looking up more yesterday
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: livepatch is also one of those /dev/loops
[09:25] <blackflow> oh you use livepatch? how's that going.
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: not real sure yet, just enabled from welcome screen
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: been tweaking all things in the book yesterday fstab, swappiness
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> services
[09:27] <blackflow> unfortunately, gnome is very buggy and log-spammy. plenty of errors on a seemingly working computer so it's very hard to tell what's relevant and what isn't.
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: https://hastebin.com/hodozafimo.go if every dev loop takes 1,5 sec we get a long boot right
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^
[09:33] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: that depends. you stated long wait times to get to the login prompt, so these would be meaningful causes only if the gdm.service has to wait for them to finish first.
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: the other way around, i get long load from login ==> to desktop
[09:35] <blackflow> oh. huh.
[09:35] <blackflow> how long is long? I get a second or two.
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> 25 secs
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> hence why im frustrated :p
[09:37] <blackflow> well, I'd try stracing /usr/sbin/gdm3 from the gdm3.service. strace can output to a file so you can inject it in ExecStart of the service (at least in theory). However, gnome is a very complex beast, so who knows which of the ten gazillion processes it spawns, is doing the hogging.
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah must be gnomes fault, as unity did great on my ssd
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> canonical promised faster booting, but not sure where they at yet
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> i hope for .1
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> if not, alot of unity users will have the shock of their lives transitioning
[09:41] <blackflow> choosing gnome was a strategic mistake of the decade.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> they should at least tweak gnome for lightweight overall
[09:42] <blackflow> Unity was/is the best desktop environment of them all.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> so i think also
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> installed 100's of machines with unity flawlessly
[09:43] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: oh lol, good luck with that. that's an impossible task. it _would_ be possible if gnome devs would stop breaking it and try to stabilize, fix bugs, before pushing on. but eh, that's a wet dream. recently even the dev said it's a lost cause and cannot be optimized because of architectural mistakes.
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> and ok..its a gnome fork
[09:45] <blackflow> unfortunately time required to find and fix what needs to be fixed, is approximately the lifetime of the LTS. by the time you've stabilized it to some decent level of usage, it's being deprecated and on you move to the next cycle.
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> i still dream of a nice vanilla ubuntu desktop that works like a charm
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> and i need it for my customers too
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> so im gonna file bugs till they fix
[11:25] <oerheks> blackflow :-o
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:27] <EriC^^> hey all
[11:28] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^
[11:28] <BluesKaj>  hey oerheks
[11:28] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[13:25] <BluesKaj> I've had good luck with realtek, despite all the negative comments I've seen about it
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> never had firmware issue?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> not that i recall, lotuspsychje. Most of my experience with their products has been with  audio drivers, never seen any reltek on my linux machines , just waaay back on my W98
[13:29] <BluesKaj> the W98 was an HP , think the nic was a realtek
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> ah
[13:43] <blackflow> bummer, second freeze in less than 24 hours. something involving nvidia, xorg and gnome. methinks nvidia is the real cause and the other two are cascading from that. upgraded to latest 396 from the graphcis PPA. lets see how that works.
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: from now we hear good things on nvidia-390
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: didnt see alot machines yet in the past that didnt like unity
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> or they needed to be reaaal old
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> like an aspire 1350 of my aunt
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> even didnt like lubuntu lol
[13:53] <tomreyn> hmm, well, whatever helps, i guess
[13:53] <tomreyn> did they try xubuntu or similar 'simple desktops' on 18.04 ?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> no
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> got an old laptop here i tested minimal bionic on lubuntu
[13:54] <tomreyn> might have been easier and a better way forward than reinstalling 16.04
[13:55] <tomreyn> (but i guess 16.04 is what they wanted)
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> wasnt bad, but in my opinion lubuntu 16.04 rocked
[14:58] <Artur> Did you maybe migrate from mac to ubuntu?
[14:59] <Artur> I mean change keyboard setup.
[14:59] <Artur> I wish I could change my pc keyboard to match keys on macs.
[14:59] <Artur> for example alt+t new tab
[14:59] <Artur> not ctrl + t
[15:03] <Artur> I wonder if I could change something in this matter or get used to new layout.
[15:07] <arth7774> I must ensure I 'am properly logged into this channel. Could you say smth?
[15:20] <arth7774> EriC^^:
[15:21] <arth7774> EriC^^: hi
[15:21] <EriC^^> hi
[15:28] <arth7774> EriC^^: Do you set your mind to improving this channel?
[15:30] <arth7774> How can I know if someone is actually on this channel. Is his nickname colored and bold then?
[18:58] <Bashing-om> All rite ! .... I am ready to have fun now :P