[07:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:37] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:38] <brobostigon> o/
[08:04] <zmoylan-pi> be careful out there, there's a monday just waiting to get you...
[11:36] <marshmn> so... you know how the Ubuntu theme for Gnome has a slight brown colour to everything? like the top bar and drop-downs and things? which is nice and all that - but how would one go about getting rid of that?
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> change the theme?
[11:42] <marshmn> yes please
[11:42] <marshmn> at least I think that's what I want
[11:43] <marshmn> I've changed the 'Applications' theme in the Tweaks tool to be 'Adwaita dark' - but that still leaves a brown coloured top bar and other various things like that which don't fit well with it
[11:50] <marshmn> hmmm, maybe I need to change the 'Shell' theme?
[11:50] <marshmn> lunch break over now... I'll try that tonight
[14:21]  * daftykins nudges diddledan 
[14:54] <diddledan> artanoon
[14:55] <daftykins> hello sir, how goes it?
[14:55] <diddledan> good good ta
[14:55] <daftykins> :D excellent
[14:55] <daftykins> so i got this zip backup of that questionable wordpress site of my friends wifes, wondered what you would wanna charge and whether it's best to be thrown online to look over, or if just the zip is fine
[14:56] <daftykins> since obviously hosting it when it's questionable is the wobbly part
[14:56] <diddledan> yeah, best to investigate before you put it open to the public
[14:57]  * diddledan /msgs daftykins 
[14:57]  * daftykins nods
[17:38] <diddledan> so, while I was in the states earlier in the year, I accidentally subscribed to youtube red. now I get their tv originals.. been watching https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgLQkRAZsFN6fhqxFyx8qhQ
[17:38] <diddledan> show called "impulse"
[17:47] <daftykins> ooh-err
[17:47] <daftykins> you uh
[17:47] <daftykins> sign up on impulse did you?
[17:47]  * daftykins ducks
[17:51]  * diddledan groans
[17:54] <diddledan> also, black panther blurry arrived today \i/
[17:54] <daftykins> ooh funky, i have not seen
[18:36] <diddledan> why does the tech press have such a canoe in their pocket about wireless charging?? eg. https://www.techradar.com/news/wireless-charging-active-edge-tipped-for-the-google-pixel-3
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> becuase they're obsessed with wireless everything?
[18:37] <diddledan> I vote for wireless landlines
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> the average pleb takes 3 goes to plug in usb cable to charge, think how many times for drunk it journalist... :-)
[18:38] <daftykins> xD
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> probably why they don't miss the headphone jack... for them it was just something to waste 10 attempts plugging in power cable... :-P
[19:01] <marshmn> I'd like wireless charging
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> i'd prefer a dock like palm had in 90s
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> drop in, press button, every thing backed up and synced
[19:04] <marshmn> yeah, that was nice
[19:04] <marshmn> I miss Palm
[19:04] <marshmn> I'd be happy with that for phone
[19:04] <marshmn> it doesn't have to be wireless necessarily - just easy to slot in
[19:05] <zmoylan-pi> bonus was that palm dock left it at useable angle display next to pc
[19:05] <marshmn> yep
[19:06] <zmoylan-pi> stylus was a decent method for inputting text with graffitti
[19:06] <zmoylan-pi> ran for a week of 2 aaa batteries
[19:06] <zmoylan-pi> ...and beaming
[19:07] <marshmn> maybe we could start a village where we live with '90s technology
[19:07] <marshmn> like a '90s version of Amish
[19:07] <zmoylan-pi> it's called my gaff :-)
[19:08] <zmoylan-pi> i'm looking at getting a palm os device...
[19:09] <marshmn> really nice to code for too
[19:09] <marshmn> probably had the most fun coding for Palm than pretty much any platform
[19:10] <zmoylan-pi> i hear someone is making a palm branded piece of hardware this year... probably android though
[19:14] <daftykins> although you don't need backup and sync anymore given online services :)
[19:14] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-could-sell-a-palm-phone-in-2018/
[19:15] <daftykins> not even file really, if you run something like nextcloud taking photos automatically etc
[19:15] <zmoylan-pi> i don't want my data in the cloud thank you very much
[19:15] <daftykins> well i run my own nextcloud instance at home, so... it's fine thank you, sir! :)
[19:15] <daftykins> and i agree!
[19:16] <zmoylan-pi> i'd like to do that.  but the maintenance overhead feels like it would end up like email in the 90s-00s where every week there was a whole new bunch of attacks you had to watch for
[19:16] <marshmn> do you take the horse and cart down to the village to fetch your milk too?
[19:16] <zmoylan-pi> milkman delivers to this house. what are we peasents?! :-)
[19:17] <marshmn> I think you have to call them milkpeople now
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> i've never met a milkwoman... too much sense to have an outdoor job that has you out in dark in winter in most horrible weather
[19:18] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: standard maintenance of an 18.04 server instance, then occasional one click updates in the nextcloud web admin which the desktop client here on Windows tells me about, it's not too bad :D
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> i do have a pi 3 that i mean to set up to replace my original pi b. if/when i do i intend to make it do a fair bit more than the current pi
[19:20] <daftykins> standard ubuntu server installs seem to still be a bit less than ideal on Pi's
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> it's a pi, someone has sorted out the next/own cloud workings... and documented it :-)
[19:24] <daftykins> no that's not my point, i meant that it seems there's not a truly stock and normal way of just throwing on a standard 18.04 image that has most standard packages available
[19:24] <daftykins> much prefer configuring instances from the ground up, too - rather than having a hand held :>
[20:11] <marshmn> the amount of different chat apps one needs is starting to get out of hand :/
[20:11] <marshmn> I have XChat for IRC, Slack, Gitter, Discord, WhatsApp...
[20:13] <daftykins> indeed
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> irc... that is all...
[20:41] <ali1234> it's true. ubuntu is not simple to install on a pi
[20:41] <ali1234> you have several choices: you can use the full snap image (literally you can only install snaps on this)
[20:41] <ali1234> you can use the images made by ubuntu MATE
[20:42] <ali1234> or you can use the sort-of-official-but-not-really-and=btw-not-supported-at-all server image made by canonical, which i don't think exists for 18.04
[20:42] <marshmn> I see that in the WiFi connection settings nowadays, there is an option for "Restrict background data usage" - which sounds handy if your WiFi is a hotspot from a mobile phone or whatever
[20:43] <marshmn> is there any info on what things are actually restricted by this?
[20:43] <marshmn> a quick Google didn't throw up much
[20:44] <ali1234> on android it prevents apps from using any data when the app is not currently being used or the phone is locked (ie app must be visible on screen)
[20:44] <marshmn> sure
[20:44] <ali1234> it expect it does something similar on ubuntu, i know they made a thing to suspend background apps for ubuntu-touch
[20:45] <marshmn> just not sure if it's as easy for them to do that on Ubuntu without it breaking stuff
[20:45] <ali1234> well, tbh, no
[20:45] <ali1234> ubuntu isn't android, most software does not expect to be sandboxed and restricted
[20:45] <marshmn> just wondering whether it's really a usable setting or whether I'm likely to cause myself more pain than it's worth by ticking it
[20:45] <ali1234> so it will break in weird ways
[20:45] <ali1234> either that or it will have no effect on most apps
[20:46] <ali1234> it probably only works with snaps/flatpaks/both
[20:47] <marshmn> I was using my laptop through 4G one time and ran out of data; paid £12 for another 500MB... 15 mins later it was all gone again... turned out a Windows VM in VirtualBox was doing updates :/
[20:47] <ali1234> windows: not even in virtualbox
[20:48] <ali1234> andgiven the way virtualbox hooks into the kernel to provide virtual devices, i really doubt that setting will work with it
[20:48] <marshmn> quite
[20:49] <ali1234> i am running xubuntu 18.04 and i have not seen that setting so i guess it is a gnome thing
[20:51] <marshmn> yeah, seems so
[20:51] <marshmn> "Right now, in this release, it simply stops auto-update from kicking in."
[20:51] <marshmn> just found that
[20:51] <ali1234> better than nothing :)
[20:51] <marshmn> seems that it's a Gnome 3.28 feature
[20:56] <marshmn> it feels a bit like one of those options that I'll turn on now, and then in 6 months time be wondering why the hell something's not working right :-)
[23:20] <daftykins> bah fasthosts do not permit a DNS TXT record of "_acme-challenge" which is required for wildcard certificates from LetsEncrypt :/
[23:36] <diddledan> well fooey
[23:36] <daftykins> i wonder if they're doing it so you'll buy one of theirs :O
[23:36] <diddledan> possibly
[23:36] <diddledan> there's no technical reason they'd be unable to do it IMO
[23:38] <daftykins> mmm the control panel just claims it's an invalid host
[23:38] <daftykins> when creating the TXT record
[23:38] <diddledan> try _acme-challenge.full.example.com
[23:38] <diddledan> and if that fails try with a . on the end
[23:39] <daftykins> ah well to the right of the input box it shows ".example.com" and it errors against _acme-challenge. so it seems pretty certain
[23:40] <diddledan> maybe it's the underscore it doesn't like
[23:46] <daftykins> yeah, worked fine without
[23:46] <daftykins> but of course that fails verification xD
[23:47] <diddledan> aye
[23:48] <daftykins> hehe i couldn't be bothered to wait so i just signed in with my gmail on that webmasters page, claimed ownership and submitted a request to be rechecked :D
[23:48] <daftykins> it made me enter a bit of info on what i did to resolve the issues
[23:49] <daftykins> says up to 72 hours :O
[23:49] <diddledan> bah
[23:50] <daftykins> kinda amusing that of the big 3, (chrome,Firefox,Edge) Edge is the only one to not care and show the site anyway xD