[12:30] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:26] <rick_h_> Morning
[13:26] <rick_h_> How goes the party?
[13:27] <brousch> Everyone still has their clothes on
[13:27] <rick_h_> Boooo
[13:43] <cmaloney> dammit
[13:43] <cmaloney> I was really hoping for naked dancing
[13:44]  * cmaloney checks the user list
[13:44] <cmaloney> nevermind
[14:09] <jrwren> no, plz keep clothes on.
[14:10] <jrwren> I think removing them may violate the CoC
[16:54] <cmaloney> heh
[17:29] <jrwren> ugh, layoffs. am i rite?
[17:34] <greg-g> hmm?
[17:35] <jrwren> layoffs at work. lots of coworkers gone :(
[17:35] <greg-g> :(
[17:51] <cmaloney> jrwren: Fuck, that sucks
[17:51] <cmaloney> Never a good sign, from someone on both sides of receiving and sitting in a cubicle after they've happened
[17:56] <jrwren> this is 3 jobs in a row that I'm ready to leave after layoffs :(
[17:57] <greg-g> dang :(
[18:00] <cmaloney> jrwren: Shit. I'm sorry to hear that
[18:03] <greg-g> I'm going to be hiring a Sr Engineer soon :)
[18:03] <greg-g> I don't have anything posted yet, but I'll be posting here as soon as I do
[18:03] <cmaloney> <3
[18:03] <greg-g> I have 2 hires to make this year (one Sr, one not)
[18:07] <jrwren> it might take me a while to swallow my pride and go back to writing PHP. :p
[18:21] <brousch> Bah, just convert it to Python!
[18:21] <jrwren> why, so it can run 100X slower?
[18:21] <jrwren> ICYMI, PHP is REALLY fast now.
[18:23] <brousch> Bah, just get more servers!
[18:23] <jrwren> that costs money.
[18:24] <jrwren> you were just fired or not hired for understanding the economics of the project.
[18:24] <jrwren> Also, servers cost a lot of electricity in running and cooling. just buying more servers is not green and hurts the environment and contributes to global warming.
[18:24] <jrwren> Why do you hate earth, Ben?  WHY?!?!   :)
[18:26] <greg-g> jrwren: my part of the org doesn't do PHP :)
[18:26] <greg-g> jrwren: Python and Go
[18:28] <jrwren> greg-g: I'm not sure if I should :) that or :( that.
[18:29] <greg-g> definitely :)
[18:30] <greg-g> I mean, we're a Jenkins + Zuul shop, so similar to OpenStack wrt CI infra. But we're moving to containers for everything with k8s etc.
[18:30] <jrwren> running your own k8s clusters?
[18:30] <greg-g> pawning that off to our SRE team, but yeah
[18:30] <jrwren> a separate SRE team?
[18:32] <greg-g> well... Our Operations team recently renamed themselves to SRE
[18:33] <jrwren> now the can demand double the salary.
[18:33] <greg-g> they'll try :)
[18:33] <jrwren> so they'll be writing product code in all the products they host now too, right?
[18:34] <greg-g> ish? I mean, they do have MediaWiki experts on the team who are heavily involved with arch review
[18:34] <greg-g> not a major cultural/process change though, no
[18:34] <greg-g> just modernizing the name, afiact
[18:36] <jrwren> SRE's are supposed to be part of the team building the product and contributing to code on that product. *shrug*
[18:36] <jrwren> at least according to https://landing.google.com/sre/book.html
[18:37] <greg-g> yeah... I know
[18:37] <jrwren> its interesting to hear how different orgs and changing and how they aren't.
[18:38] <cmaloney> Just run all of Wikipedia off of a Raspberry PI
[18:38] <cmaloney> problem solved
[18:38] <jrwren> LMAO
[18:38] <cmaloney> I mean, I can run whatevercloud 0.9 on it so it should scale
[18:38] <cmaloney> whatevercloud is my PHP replacement for everything cloud-related
[18:39] <cmaloney> instead of actually doing anything it just sits there with a spinner to remind you not to use the cloud for anything
[18:39] <cmaloney> it's my art piece
[18:39] <jrwren> hahahahaha
[18:42] <cmaloney> Reminds me of the time when someone (not going to say who) came in wtih a Raspberry Pi "portable" setup
[18:43] <cmaloney> He then began touting all of the benefits of a RPi, which I fully agree
[18:43] <cmaloney> I think it's an amazing computer
[18:43] <cmaloney> but he had a monitor on a monitor stand, and a power strip zip-tied to the back of it
[18:44] <cmaloney> he then pulls out a keyboard and proceeds to look for the plugs at Bean and Leaf
[18:44] <cmaloney> (This was at CHC Royal Oak, and if you remember tghe layout of CHC Royal Oak you'll remember that the place has two pairs of outlets that we've discovered)
[18:44] <cmaloney> and they're usually occupied by folks who are also savvy to this
[18:45] <cmaloney> He then moves his setup and then proceeds to demonstrate the power of the RPi
[18:45] <cmaloney> which was fine. More power to him
[18:46] <cmaloney> But when it came time to leave I folded up my x120e and stuffed it into my backpack while he was fiddling with breaking down his setup.
[18:46] <jrwren> lol
[18:46] <cmaloney> And all I could think of was my days as a drummer when folks would pack up their instruments and begin gabbing with each other while I was sitting there with a drum key taking my fucking drums apart
[18:47] <jrwren> well, if that is what you value, i fold up my macbook air and stuff it or not, rather often. :p
[18:47] <cmaloney> and then had to carry everything out to the car / bus afterward
[18:47] <cmaloney> Yeah, again, more power to him
[18:47] <cmaloney> but I value a little more portability than what the bog-standard Pi gives me
[18:48]  * cmaloney is still curious about the PiTop
[18:48] <cmaloney> and the Pinebook
[18:48] <cmaloney> although I think those have their own issues
[18:50] <jrwren> I ran a Pi on 4AA batteries once. It didn't last very long.
[18:57] <jrwren> what version of Pi was it that was so beloved? because Pi1 was pretty underpowered and 2 and 3 are nice, but the IO limits are such that I'd not use it for day to day.
[19:04] <flipsidecreation> Can anyone tell me a compelling reason to run an AntiVirus on Linux Desktop System?
[19:05] <jrwren> wine can run windows viruses really well. :)
[19:05] <flipsidecreation> that is a good point
[19:07] <flipsidecreation> I noticed this exists https://www.eset.com/us/home/antivirus-linux/
[19:08] <cmaloney> As far as protective measures for Linux I think it's pointless
[19:08] <cmaloney> but as a means to run ClamAV on a Windows mount it makes sense
[19:09] <cmaloney> jrwren: The 3B+ is supposed to be the hotness now
[19:10] <cmaloney> but yeah, the Pi is rather weak for I/O
[19:10] <jrwren> i have a couple 3B+ and the IO is still terrible.
[19:11] <jrwren> its great at everything else. I like it.
[19:11] <cmaloney> 3B+ or 3B?
[19:11] <cmaloney> Yeah, I have a 3B doing Mycroft using the Google AIY kit
[19:11] <cmaloney> http://mycroft.ai
[19:12] <cmaloney> AKA the AI that I want to see succeed just as soon as it stops running into the walls
[19:13] <jrwren> 3B+
[19:13] <jrwren> new just a month or so ago.
[19:13] <jrwren> 1.4Ghz instead of 1.2Ghz and teh wifi and bt4.1LE
[19:13] <cmaloney> Ah, coolness
[19:13] <jrwren> it actually hosts my xmtp.net email :)
[19:13] <cmaloney> The one that I really am interested in is the RISC-V chip
[19:13] <jrwren> a buddy found a place that will co-locate PI for $7/mo and so we are paying for that.
[19:14] <cmaloney> Oh that's awesome
[19:14] <cmaloney> Local, or out-of-state?
[19:14] <jrwren> out of state.
[20:04] <cmaloney> https://snapcraft.io/tootstream <- up-to-date packages my aching arse.
[21:11] <waldo323> a2hosting's unlimited plan isn't unlimited space :-\
[21:35] <Scary_Guy> https://v.redd.it/sjmsub4wrd311/DASH_2_4_M
[21:37] <waldo323> I used the pi 3 b+ for the photobooth I brought to penguicon witch Craig's photobooth software on it
[21:38] <greg-g> waldo323: yeah :( I ended up getting a weird "big data" VPS from a company I wasn't familiar with for my backups. 1tb for $10/mo
[21:40] <waldo323> my dad has photos from the 50s or earlier through now which we put on my space when then flickr+smugmug announcement came and before they said they would keep the free plans
[21:41] <waldo323> dad has now found it is easier to upload to my site than it was to upload to flickr :)
[21:41] <greg-g> nice
[21:49] <cmaloney> i need to find some offsite vackup
[21:50] <cmaloney> witch Craig photobooth... ;)
[21:50] <cmaloney> it's funny because thebtheme was Pepper&Carrot
[21:58] <greg-g> cmaloney: I use https://www.serverhub.com/vps/ssd-cached for my git-annex and duplicati remotes. I can't vouch for their quality other than my host hasn't seen any apparent issues