[12:30] Good morning [13:26] Morning [13:26] How goes the party? [13:27] Everyone still has their clothes on [13:27] Boooo [13:43] dammit [13:43] I was really hoping for naked dancing [13:44] * cmaloney checks the user list [13:44] nevermind [14:09] no, plz keep clothes on. [14:10] I think removing them may violate the CoC [16:54] heh [17:29] ugh, layoffs. am i rite? [17:34] hmm? [17:35] layoffs at work. lots of coworkers gone :( [17:35] :( [17:51] jrwren: Fuck, that sucks [17:51] Never a good sign, from someone on both sides of receiving and sitting in a cubicle after they've happened [17:56] this is 3 jobs in a row that I'm ready to leave after layoffs :( [17:57] dang :( [18:00] jrwren: Shit. I'm sorry to hear that [18:03] I'm going to be hiring a Sr Engineer soon :) [18:03] I don't have anything posted yet, but I'll be posting here as soon as I do [18:03] <3 [18:03] I have 2 hires to make this year (one Sr, one not) [18:07] it might take me a while to swallow my pride and go back to writing PHP. :p [18:21] Bah, just convert it to Python! [18:21] why, so it can run 100X slower? [18:21] ICYMI, PHP is REALLY fast now. [18:23] Bah, just get more servers! [18:23] that costs money. [18:24] you were just fired or not hired for understanding the economics of the project. [18:24] Also, servers cost a lot of electricity in running and cooling. just buying more servers is not green and hurts the environment and contributes to global warming. [18:24] Why do you hate earth, Ben? WHY?!?! :) [18:26] jrwren: my part of the org doesn't do PHP :) [18:26] jrwren: Python and Go [18:28] greg-g: I'm not sure if I should :) that or :( that. [18:29] definitely :) [18:30] I mean, we're a Jenkins + Zuul shop, so similar to OpenStack wrt CI infra. But we're moving to containers for everything with k8s etc. [18:30] running your own k8s clusters? [18:30] pawning that off to our SRE team, but yeah [18:30] a separate SRE team? [18:32] well... Our Operations team recently renamed themselves to SRE [18:33] now the can demand double the salary. [18:33] they'll try :) [18:33] so they'll be writing product code in all the products they host now too, right? [18:34] ish? I mean, they do have MediaWiki experts on the team who are heavily involved with arch review [18:34] not a major cultural/process change though, no [18:34] just modernizing the name, afiact [18:36] SRE's are supposed to be part of the team building the product and contributing to code on that product. *shrug* [18:36] at least according to https://landing.google.com/sre/book.html [18:37] yeah... I know [18:37] its interesting to hear how different orgs and changing and how they aren't. [18:38] Just run all of Wikipedia off of a Raspberry PI [18:38] problem solved [18:38] LMAO [18:38] I mean, I can run whatevercloud 0.9 on it so it should scale [18:38] whatevercloud is my PHP replacement for everything cloud-related [18:39] instead of actually doing anything it just sits there with a spinner to remind you not to use the cloud for anything [18:39] it's my art piece [18:39] hahahahaha [18:42] Reminds me of the time when someone (not going to say who) came in wtih a Raspberry Pi "portable" setup [18:43] He then began touting all of the benefits of a RPi, which I fully agree [18:43] I think it's an amazing computer [18:43] but he had a monitor on a monitor stand, and a power strip zip-tied to the back of it [18:44] he then pulls out a keyboard and proceeds to look for the plugs at Bean and Leaf [18:44] (This was at CHC Royal Oak, and if you remember tghe layout of CHC Royal Oak you'll remember that the place has two pairs of outlets that we've discovered) [18:44] and they're usually occupied by folks who are also savvy to this [18:45] He then moves his setup and then proceeds to demonstrate the power of the RPi [18:45] which was fine. More power to him [18:46] But when it came time to leave I folded up my x120e and stuffed it into my backpack while he was fiddling with breaking down his setup. [18:46] lol [18:46] And all I could think of was my days as a drummer when folks would pack up their instruments and begin gabbing with each other while I was sitting there with a drum key taking my fucking drums apart [18:47] well, if that is what you value, i fold up my macbook air and stuff it or not, rather often. :p [18:47] and then had to carry everything out to the car / bus afterward [18:47] Yeah, again, more power to him [18:47] but I value a little more portability than what the bog-standard Pi gives me [18:48] * cmaloney is still curious about the PiTop [18:48] and the Pinebook [18:48] although I think those have their own issues [18:50] I ran a Pi on 4AA batteries once. It didn't last very long. [18:57] what version of Pi was it that was so beloved? because Pi1 was pretty underpowered and 2 and 3 are nice, but the IO limits are such that I'd not use it for day to day. [19:04] Can anyone tell me a compelling reason to run an AntiVirus on Linux Desktop System? [19:05] wine can run windows viruses really well. :) [19:05] that is a good point [19:07] I noticed this exists https://www.eset.com/us/home/antivirus-linux/ [19:08] As far as protective measures for Linux I think it's pointless [19:08] but as a means to run ClamAV on a Windows mount it makes sense [19:09] jrwren: The 3B+ is supposed to be the hotness now [19:10] but yeah, the Pi is rather weak for I/O [19:10] i have a couple 3B+ and the IO is still terrible. [19:11] its great at everything else. I like it. [19:11] 3B+ or 3B? [19:11] Yeah, I have a 3B doing Mycroft using the Google AIY kit [19:11] http://mycroft.ai [19:12] AKA the AI that I want to see succeed just as soon as it stops running into the walls [19:13] 3B+ [19:13] new just a month or so ago. [19:13] 1.4Ghz instead of 1.2Ghz and teh wifi and bt4.1LE [19:13] Ah, coolness [19:13] it actually hosts my xmtp.net email :) [19:13] The one that I really am interested in is the RISC-V chip [19:13] a buddy found a place that will co-locate PI for $7/mo and so we are paying for that. [19:14] Oh that's awesome [19:14] Local, or out-of-state? [19:14] out of state. [20:04] https://snapcraft.io/tootstream <- up-to-date packages my aching arse. [21:11] a2hosting's unlimited plan isn't unlimited space :-\ [21:35] https://v.redd.it/sjmsub4wrd311/DASH_2_4_M [21:37] I used the pi 3 b+ for the photobooth I brought to penguicon witch Craig's photobooth software on it [21:38] waldo323: yeah :( I ended up getting a weird "big data" VPS from a company I wasn't familiar with for my backups. 1tb for $10/mo [21:40] my dad has photos from the 50s or earlier through now which we put on my space when then flickr+smugmug announcement came and before they said they would keep the free plans [21:41] dad has now found it is easier to upload to my site than it was to upload to flickr :) [21:41] nice [21:49] i need to find some offsite vackup [21:50] witch Craig photobooth... ;) [21:50] it's funny because thebtheme was Pepper&Carrot [21:58] cmaloney: I use https://www.serverhub.com/vps/ssd-cached for my git-annex and duplicati remotes. I can't vouch for their quality other than my host hasn't seen any apparent issues